July 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan Woike joins us from Las Vegas to talk Summer League hoops, Lebron vs the Lakers, Bradley Beal's future and more. Why are athletes' seemingly so over-inflated?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now don't we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five to seventy LA Sports All Star Break, time
games tomorrow, Home Run Derby is tonight, cal Rawley, what
a year he's had.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Man's killing it. Thirty eight bombs, Fred, thirty eight
bombs before the All Star Break for a catcher. That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
He's having a great year. We're going to talk more
about that. But now with the All Star Break, it
gives us a chance to visit with someone who never
talks about baseball, Dan Woik, because he talks about basketball,
Dan of course writing for the Athletic. Now, Dan, thank
you for coming.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
On, guys, Rodney, welcome home. Sorry I have no voice.
This is day guys, Day six in Las Vegas. From me?
What this sounds like?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Day six?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is it one hundred and twenty?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yet if I left my hotel room, I would know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, because you're working hard.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We're on our way. We're on our way out here
in a little bit. But yes, it is uh, it's toasted,
it's warm.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's the Summer League been like this year? Dan? Good? Crowds?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh yeah, really exciting. You know, I got a chance
to watch Cooper Flag play twice, so Dylan Harper play.
You know, I think you know Hanson Yang from Portland,
big crowds for him, really fun player, really fun passer.
You know, I think the way basketball is being played
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right now, with talent, with space, with pace, you can
kind of I mean, sometimes some of theague games are
pretty ugly, and these games do get pretty ugly. The
Lakers want a really ugly game the other day. But
I think there is like you can kind of like
you can see enough of some of these guys, and you're, like,
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you should be excited about Cooper Flag if you're a fan, like, like,
it's it's pretty obvious. You can tell he knows how
to play basketball, Like the Charlotte Hornets should be pretty
excited about their rookies, like they know how to play basketball.
You can tell, you can see it. You don't want
to make any huge decisions or proclamations about Summer week,
but it's it's been fun, it's been it's been long,
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and I look forward to getting home tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Dan, Dan, A couple couple of things I want to
ask you about that because I agree with you with
Cooper Flag. It shows, you know, watching him, his freshman
year at Duke was you know, the fundamentals were there.
How much do you think it benefits a guy going
to college, even if it's for one year, to get
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that different type of tutelage and get that those fundamentals
honed in and as opposed to a kid coming out
of high school trying to skip it and you know,
go g le, go across the water somewhere else Rodyie.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As someone who was in college for nine years like myself,
I think, you know, I can tell you it was
very helpful with me. You know, I don't know. I
think it's you know, different strokes for different folks type
of stuff. I think for him. You know what's so
interesting markuper Flag is that like if we went by
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like first certificate right like he should be going into
freshman or could be going into freshman year college right now, right,
But there's a guy, as a kid who reclassified, moved
up a year, you know, just really really ready, it
seems like for what's in front of him. And I think,
you know, being on the top of a scouting report
like like you know, with more sophistication, with older, more
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physical defenders, different things like that, like that you know
he saw in college basketball for a year. Yeah, I
think that it doesn't hurt. Would he have gotten the
same thing had he been playing you know, he can't
play directly in the NBA, but like if you're playing
in you know, overtime e lead or if he was
playing in Australia maybe you know, you know, it's worked
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for other people, you know, it doesn't work for everyone.
I think the Lakers have a player around their summer
league team right now, Arrius Baisley, who you know, took
a million dollar internship with New Balance instead of going
to Syracuse and was still a first round pick. But
you know, hasn't really found his footing in the league
trying to do that. You know, the Lakers is kind
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of a run the floor defender athlete. He's put all right,
you know, but would that have changed if he stood
around and played zone at Syracuse for a year. I
have no idea, you know, I don't think it's It's
not a one side fits all for this. I think
what worked for Reflag I think being at Duke being
kind of in the eye of the storm, being asked
for form, meeting those expectations, and now being had, you know,
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coming into the end of day where there are a
lot of expectations for him. I mean maybe already even
a little unfair for some of this stuff, but like,
you know, he seems like he's got the goods.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, did you see Uh I watched a little cliff.
I haven't watched a whole lot of Summer League, but
the clip of Brawny guarding Cooper Flag and how how
was that? How was that match up?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Man?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Because the one clip that everybody's you know, talking about
is and you know, Bronny got called for a foul,
but he was being him up a little bit and
then Cooper Flag it hits one in his face.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was It was really fun. That gave us really fun,
a lot of energy in the building, and like that
moment had a lot of energy in it. You know,
I think, Ronnie, did you know how this grownie six
inches shorter and Cooper Flag Flag's a really big kid.
I think, you know, if you're looking for the little
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things to like from what you've seen from Ronnie James
and and you know that's part of my job. Uh,
I'd point to what happened in New Orleans where you know,
they played Jeremy Fears uh, you know rookie point guard.
I think you played at Art Oklahoma last year. I
think anyways, uh, you know, big part of the Pulkan's future.
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And Bronnie and the Lakers really harassed him into a
really bad shooting night. And at the end of the game,
like the fourth quarter, like those dudes got kind of
tangled up, and you could like you could hear Bronnie
like going at him, like talking, you know, and I
think as they try to like figure out what kind
of player that he is. I mean, like that's a
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thing you hear sometimes is like maybe is he like
too nice? Is he too shy? Like you know, you
want him to be aggressive, and like you know, like
can a kid can a kid like that really be
like a dog? Yeah? I know it's a lot of euphemisms,
but it was good to see him like get a
little grimy out there, you know what I mean. Like
I thought, now he looks so much more comfortable on
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the basketball. He I think, you know, it was conditioning.
All that stuff has to still level up, but he's
playing on hard. He's doing the right things. Certainly doesn't
look out of place in summer league. What that means
for his prospects on the main roster very to be determined.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
All right, Dan Espn wanted to talk to Lebron. Lebron
passed on that people are saying that means something to me,
It means it doesn't Lebron didn't want to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I would.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'd try to talk to Lebron James tow we walked breakfast,
my hands and what's up? And walked, so my feelings
were not hurt. I think. I think no, like you asked,
that's the job, right, you know, And why watched Dave
walk up to him and you know, present him the
opportunity to make some news and Lebron passed, And I look,
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it's really hard to know exactly what's going on right now.
If this is like a fall on Cold War, if
this is posturing, if this is like maybe it's just
what it looks.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like too, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And to me, what it looks like is you have
a team that's planning for a mature without Lebron James,
because that's what you do when you have a one
soon to be forty one year old on an expiring
contract and you have a player in Lebron James who's
forty one years old, who is still really freaking good
and as an All NBA player, and you know, in
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any reasonable situation, and like most reasonable situations would be
a part of safty players. And as the Lakers try
to figure out what's the right thing to do around
Luka Dacic, like there could be a world where it's
not Lebron James, or it's certainly not killing Lebron James
a max you know, fifty five million dollars sixty million
dollar contract, and so I think I think like those
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that's what it looks like to me. You know, are
there other things that player certainly and other things we're
gonna learn, certainly, but but it seems to me like
it's face to be that. I do think that if
like the idea here is that you know, Lebron wants
to win a championship and he wants to look around
at places where he would want to play, that are
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better situations. I think the Lakers were really good last
year with Luka Dacic, Austin Reeves, Ruym, Lebron James. When
those guys played, they were really really good. You know,
they're going to miss Dorian Sidney Smith but you know,
Dendre eight and I think is going to have a
good year.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I believe in it. I think, oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
what did you say believe in it? You said DeAndre
Ayton's going to have a good year. Wait, fred ft,
I ignored that. I ignored that. I mean, it's one
of his favorite players there, Dan Wiki, I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think it's like like it's like everything in life, right,
timing in situation is everything. The Lakers are getting Deander
eight and at the right time, and it's a good
situation for him. Are there going to be days where
we guys where we talk and we're going to talk
about DeAndre Ayton's effort, his focus. Absolutely, we're gonna talk
about it. It's going to come up. It's that out
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of today. But I think that, you know, again, for
what they needed out of that position, I mean, he
should be just fine if as long as it's available, like,
he should be just fine. And so I think they're
going to be a pretty good basketball team. And I'm
not totally sure that there is. They better went out there.
And also, by the way, I mean, look, Lebron James
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had the option too to go somewhere else if you
wanted you have to be like that also said something
too that not that he necessarily fall On wants to
play for the Lakers, but it does tell me that
he wants to play. He wants to be paid fifty
five million dollars to play for the Lakers, because that
was the decision he made.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, fifty five million dollars to play for the Lakers
or go somewhere. I'll play with fifty five million dollars
is guaranteed, is guaranteed money?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
What what else?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean as constructed? Now, man Waki, where do you
where do you see the Lakers? And and the off
season now with Luca and Lebron putting aside, any I
guess rumors that Lebron's unhappy, but you know he comes back.
All of that being said, the Lakers going into the
season this coming year optimistic, good, bad, indifferent, better Luca,
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better Lebron, better combinations.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I've always pretty I'm always pretty indifferent. I'll tell you that.
But I I think I think with this seame, I mean,
I don't believe that the work is done. I think
they still need, you know, another defender, either, somebody with
some length and some speed or some physicality. A name
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that comes up a lot and when you talk about
the Lakers is Marcus Smart. You know, he's under contract
to Washington. The Wizards, you know, would have to buy
him out. I think for it to be realistic for
the Lakers, and there's no guarantee they're going to do that.
They have a lot of guards. It's it's you know,
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I think the Lakers have checked in on that a bunch,
and that's a guy that's monitoring but like looking for
you know, some more physicality that way from point of
tech desense. But you know, like I said, they were
a pretty good team last year with no training camp,
thrown together in the middle of the season, with like
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a pretty seismic trade. And you know, like Luca, I
think physically obviously looks much better. You know, he was
gallavanting around Europe with Rodney. You tell us, up, great,
he's just on the you know, on the on the
main deck of the Otwell Magic is on the peloton.
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Lucas just doing crunches right next to him. You know,
I think, like he looks good. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,
he's gonna play your row basket. But you know he
looks like he's in a better place. I've talked to
people close to him. I think mental he's gonna be
in a much better place this year. You know, he's
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had time to like really calibrate and I don't know, like,
like this team could be pretty good. You know, they
were the three seed. Now Houston got better. Certainly Denver
I think got better. It's gonna be tough that the
Thunder or the Thunder, and I'll have that championship slagger
this year. But you know, if you're asking me if
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the Lakers are in the top tier of contenders, I
would say no. If you ask me if they're in
the second tier, I'd say sure. But things are right,
you know they can be there. They're gonna have to
get a little lucky and they're gonna have to have
some stuff go right. But it should be a good
basketball team.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
All right, Dan, the name Bradley Beal, Lakers, Clippers or.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Who I mean. The thought process is, if you know,
the expectation was at least said the last week that
if he gets bought out, he's going to go to
the Clippers. You know, now that hasn't happened yet, And
as time goes on and things don't happen. You know,
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other options could present themselves. Then Clippers make the most sense.
You know, they can pay him a little bit more,
they can offer from a starting spot after the Norman
Powell trade. That that just that that that seems like
I mean when I talk to people here in Vegas,
that seems like a piece of business that to some
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extent like has been you know, pretty well like fleshed out.
But you know, you gotta it has to happen. I mean,
you know, the Lakers early in free agency were we're
linked pretty hard at the Anthony Meltain. You know, you
talk to other teams about that. You know, it seemed
like that was like a fade of complete Uh. It
certainly now looks like the Anthony Mountain is going to
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sign with the Warriors. He hasn't yet, you know, so
we'll see what happens. But like, like I think the
deal thing seems like it seems like I would say,
assuming the buyout happens, it's the Clippers to lose them.
It feels like based on what I've heard. But you know,
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I think that's the place that makes the most sense.
And you guys, that's a good basketball team too. That's
a really good basket team.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They've had it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They've had a nice summer. I think they'll really miss
Norman Powell, but I like the size and John Collins,
you know, and like a lot of teams like that,
they have the firepower to compete.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah. Do you think do you think Bradley Beale makes
them a contender?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I think they're in the tier with the Lakers,
you know. I mean I like the reason I hesitate,
I mean, the thing that makes them a contender, honestly
fed is like is Kawhi Leonard healthy?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like that it's always a question. Yeah, that's that's that's
kind of the certain stop of it, you know for me,
is like if Kawhi Leonard is healthy, they're going to
be a contender. Like he's good enough to win you
playoff series. Uh, you know, he's that dominant of a player.
If he's not totally right physically, you know, and there's
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reason to always worry about that, then you're probably in trouble.
And I think that's that was true last year. I
think it'll be true again this year for them.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The right well enjoy Vegas. Well, let's put it like
this survived Vegas. How about that?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Got guys any tip, any tips for the last twenty
four hours here?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Drink heavily, put it all on black.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, both sounds like awful advice for both guys. Good
drunk and play or that. But you know, I have
to know I said that. This is the exact words
to me. And when I told them, I'm like, I
got twenty hours up in Vegas? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What you tell me? All right? Dan? Take it easy?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
All right? Take care guys.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Do people make too much money? Do athletes make too
much money? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Next.
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, come on, let's keep it moving. On a Monday,
Roddy Pete, Fred Rogan, Oh, were coming back with a
little tone look wild thing? Wow, Okay, all star break.
Thank you to Dan Woiki appreciate you. Dan. Sweating it
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out in Vegas, Fred, Vegas is not fun in the summertime. No,
especially with that, this kind of advice. Drink heavily and
put it all on black. Yeah, to her friends, he said,
that's what he said. I tell you, guys, are my friends?
Tell me get drunk and bet ma Roulette. Yeah, that's
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what you don't want to do in Vegas in the summer.
Drink heavily. You know, when you're young, you can pull
that off. If you get older, don't do it. I'm
just warning you that's not going to be good. Lots
of alcohol in the heat is going to be a
bad combination for you. It's going to be called dehydration.
That's what it will. That's what will happen to you.
So don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, This is something people talk about all the time.
I just found it interesting. Times did a piece on
it last week. SGA Shay Gilgis Alexander makes seventy one million,
twenty five dollars two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
so he makes almost seventy two million dollars a year
to play basketball. Seventy two million dollars. Now you think
to yourself, good lord, seventy two million dollars a year
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to play basketball, And people do say that these guys
are way overpaid. It's way too much money. It's ridiculous
the amount of money they make. You always make what
the market will bear. You have to understand that. You
also have to understand that these guys are entertainers. If
Taylor Smith is Taylor Swift makes a billion dollars on
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a tool, do you sit there and go, oh, no,
she didn't deserve that. That's too much money, right, I'm
not going to pay this. Yeah, you are sure you are.
You get paid with the market will bear. And these athletes,
besides being athletes that compete, they are entertainers because you
go to the game to be entertained. You have to
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remember that if you weren't entertained, you wouldn't even be involved.
So they are making money because they generate money because
they are stars. So when people make the argument out
they make too much money, tell you what, I look
at it like this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
In life, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Who you are or what you do, you don't make
enough money. I think everybody should make more money. Quite frankly, no,
I have a different story about taxes, but I think
that everybody should make more money. I think everybody should
make as much money as humanly possible. Everybody is undervalued.
Every single person that goes to work, works hard every day,
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does their job. Everybody, in my mind is undervalued Rodney.
So I think whatever they make, they make it because
they deserve it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And analogy you just gave about Taylor Swift was right on,
because nobody says anything about her, or Beyonce or anybody
any entertainer that's doing this. Brad Pitt just had f
one come out that that movie's going to make over
billion dollars and he's going to get paid because he
produced it and did all that. Nobody talks about the
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CEO of American Express or the the the owner of
Paramount or anything like that. They don't talk about the
much money they make and executives that are making all
the money that they're making at Google and all those companies,
Like the fiftieth person at Google is probably making several
billion dollars. So you know it just it makes no
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sense to me. We just saw the Lakers get sold
Fred for ten billion dollars, ten billion dollars, and you're
telling me the player can't make seventy million dollars a
year ten billion dollars. It's sold for right, right, And
we're seeing these escalating prices in all these sports teams
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that are being sold in the billions. And if they're
someone's paying a ten billion dollars for a franchise, they're
not trying to lose money, Fred, They're paying it because
they want to generate money or there is a way
for them to generate money because they owned this particular
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process or product.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's funny you would bring that up like that, Rodney,
because Kevin just said to me, the Tampa Bay Rays
have been sold for one point seven billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Just happened.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
One point seven billion. What are the smallest markets? Yeah,
they went for almost two billion dollars Tampa Bay. Yeah,
a team with no stadium, that's what the Dodgers went for.
But that's what the Dodgers went for.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Granted, you know, two billion dollars was what ten years ago,
fifteen year whatever it was, and they bought them, but
still two billion dollars was for the Dodgers and Tampa
Bay don't even have a stadium right now, right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
One point seven billion, right, think about that. I get
people are upset with you. What the money athletes make?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But let me give you my philosophy that everybody is underpaid,
and I think you are. I think if you work
hard every day and you do your job, I don't
care what your job is, you should get paid more money.
Now there's a whole plan behind this where corporations, instead
of paying taxes, would pay you more money. Of course,
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the problem is and they're not paying the same kind
of taxes, so the way the country operates would have
to be adjusted. Yeah, take care of things. But I
really think people are underpaid. If I don't care what
it is. If you can make more, you should make more.
If SGA can make seventy two million dollars a year,
good on him, Good on him. I mean, look at
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Anthony Rendon. I think the guy made like two hundred
and forty five million dollars. It'll go down as a
worst deal in Angel's history. For what what did he
get paid for?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But he got it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Do I hold that against him? No, I hold against
him that he never played. Otani's making seventy million. At
the end of the day, is he worth seventy million.
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The Dodgers think he is well damn right, and I'll
tell you this to them the dog when it's all
said and done, that was a bargain.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
A bargain. That was a bargain.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Jan Soda is making a lot of money. I think
that's a bad deal. It's good for Juan Soto, it's
great for him, it's bad for the match. He won't
pay for it, but Oani will pay for his It
was very smart. What's interesting is when you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Look at it and you know, but but go back
to what The stadium is filled. City Field is packed
right on the regular. Yes, and now it's not just
because of Juan Soto, and they were coming on with
Lindor and and Alonso and all that. But Juan Soto
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just put it over the top that that stadium will
be packed for every game. And what does that mean? Concessions, sales, jerseys,
all those things. He's not Otani, no, but the stadium
is filled, the jerseys will sell. Is he worth seventy
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million a year at the end of the day, Yeah, yeah,
then it's a good deal. Yeah, then it's a good deal.
If these worth seventy million dollars to the franchise, you
don't think that they sit back and their being counters. Go, Okay,
let's the risk reward and let's see what this. How
we going to generate money from this? And Soto and
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maybe we who knows what the you know, we talk
about the Dodgers a lot, right, doing what they're doing
in Japan and Asia and all that with Otani? Who
knows what is going on in Dominican Republic? Who knows
what Juan Solo jerseys, Juan Sodo paraphernalia, Wan Sodo? Whatever
is he from Dominican? Any Dominican? He is, Yes, what's
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going on down there with their clinics, camps, all the
stuff that's going on down there, and what they're going
to have him do in the offseason. Who knows what
that is. But they justified it and they paid it,
and that city field is packed.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If they think he's worth seventy million, well first they'll
pay him. And I don't know about Steve Cohen, because
he's crazy. He just wants to win. He'll do anything.
He'd spend any amount of money to win. There's that too.
But if they think from a business standpoint, he's worth
seventy million dollars a year, then that's a good deal.
That's a market now, Anthony Brendon, you're not getting any
return on that investment. That's a terrible deal. It's the
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worst deal. And I think next year they're done with them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They're done. Deshaun Watson and Cleveland. He didn't get anything
on that investment. That a bad deal's work. That might
be worse deal in sports. Yeah, that's an awful deal.
And you talk about Deshaun Watson. Here's the funniest part
of it. If you look at all of these numbers,
and they are truly astronomical, congratulations to everybody that gets paid.
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The guys that probably should make the most make the least.
It's the NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
True, they don't play as many games, I get that,
but they are at a higher risk of injury than anybody,
and they make.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The least money. Yeah. Look, I think I saw something
that was you know, we just talked about the baseball
players making this and basketball players and SGA getting seventy
one million dollars. Lebron we just talked about him making
fifty five this year and a number of guys are
over fifty. There are seven guys in the NFL and
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make over fifty seven, and they're all quarterbacks, all of
them quarterbacks. But seven guys make over fifty million dollars
to your point of looking Baseball, looking basketball and the
NFL is the pulling up the rear. I mean, obviously
hockey's pulling up the rear. It's not as popular as
all the other three sports. But but football should be
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the one sport that that guys get paid the most.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, and they get paid the least. Yeah, on a
comparative basis. I understand they only play what seventeen games? Yeah,
but the point is.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It, but it's the most popular sport, and it's the
most it is the most lucrative sport of the three
as well, which makes it even crazier. Yeah, and the
most dangerous sport. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, look, anybody can get hurt at any time,
but if you're if you hit a bet. We got
a basketball player, a baseball player, and a football player,
and we got a bet who's got a higher chance
of getting hurt faster, I'm picking a football guy on
a time.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, Well, then they should be paid for Well.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
That's the argument, and I'm not saying I agree with it,
But the argument the owner's use is because the injury
rate is so high in the NFL. We can't guarantee
money because we'd lose so much because so many guys
were got hurt so often, and we're guaranteeing all these
guys all this money. There's also the players Association, which
you've talked about at nause and with Eric. You know,
Roddy's terrible now. I mean, they're in the midst of
a controversy right now, you know, over the Deshaun Watson
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con tracked and collusion and all that. But that's the
argument the owners use, we can't guarantee money. It's all
these guys because they get hurt so much.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, which is you know, and they've won that argument
over the years, which is crazy, which is why it's
still it's. And we've got the worst union, and all
of those things are the worst, the worst union, the
worst healthcare, the worst everything of all the sports where
it's the most violent and your chances of being injured
are the greatest, and and so it's it's it's a
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definite imbalance because the NFL generates more revenue than Major
League Baseball and NBA combined. It's not even close what
the NFL does in revenue, and and and and so
it's but again going back to the original thought, friend
(29:49):
of of athletes making this money. If they're getting paid
that money, what do you think that people owning the
team are getting And I know a lot of owners
want to cry broke, but there's not you're not over
imagine like twenty years ago, like you said, I don't
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know what was it. I don't know when they bought
the Dodgers to two billion dollars years ago. It's twenty twelve.
Twenty twelve, they bought them NBA teams. NBA teams, what
did who was the Phoenix Suns? I think they sold
for like four billion dollars. Yeah, it was, and the
Lakers went for ten less than ten years, they went
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for ten billion dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I'm looking right now. The lowest valued MOB team according
to Forbes is the Memphis Grizzlies, and there were three
billion dollars. Yeah, they're the least valuable NBA franchise.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Least value. Jerry j bought that. Jerry Jones bought the
Dallas Cowboys for a little over one hundred million dollars.
Right when Balmer spent two billion dollars on the Clippers,
people thought this all went crazy. It went crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's like, what could you possibly be doing When you
buy a team. You buy it for appreciation of the asset,
because you're going to make your money back and then something.
But just you have enough money to operate, operate along
the successfully in the intrum. Yeah, I can't believe Tampa
Basel for almost two billion dollars. Those guys they had
to go. They had to go because they couldn't get
(31:23):
a new stadium built. They couldn't even negotiate anything. I
wonder if they'll stay there. I want to know more
on that.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Kevin the Athletic is reporting that the new ownership group
plans to keep it there.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I feel like the new ownership group in Oklahoma City
said they planned to keep the team in Seattle when
it came to the SuperSonics and we saw what happen there.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh, the operative term is planned, correct, that's the word.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
That's the wording.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's what you say when you're buying the team, right,
and then things change when you have the team. Well,
it didn't work out. Dan Kirnky said the same thing.
I want to keep him in Saint Louis. I really do.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It comes out of this. It's simple, Rodney. Here's what
it comes down to. I plan to keep him here. Great, right,
let's sit down and see if we can get what
we need out of the city, out of the state,
out of the county.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Here's what I need.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Keep them here. Well, we can't do that. Well, I
can't keep them here. I can't keep them here.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What do you want from me? I told you what
my plan was. I tried you. You did it. You
made me do this.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
If you just would have done what I asked. And
by the way, I've shown up with a gun and
a mask because I'm gonna rob you. So if you
just let me rob you, I'll keep the team here.
But if you don't, at least I planned to. That's
what they say. That's how they handle it at the beginning.
Always yeah, always yeah, Just give me what I want.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You're not gonna do that. Well, jeez, I can't stay
I can't stay here. What do you want from me?
I can't. It's just business. You know what you did
this to me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You made me do this.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So we're looking at the Nashville rais huh that? Oh,
that's the market to go to, you know that, that's
the place to go? Would you make breakfast for your
sister's kids. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
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Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh yeah, come on, let's go. Let's keep it moving.
Here on a Monday, beautiful sunny Monday in southern California.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Freddie, All right, what do you do here? Here's a question.
Uh oh, you know, hey, we have to be there
for family. We always have to be there, right, family first? There, Yes, yes, yes, absolutely,
here we go. Here's a question. So a woman has
two kids, and the woman recently splits with her husband.
(34:11):
Now you understand this is traumatic, right, m Okay, the
kids are seven and four, so the kids are little.
The woman splits and has nowhere to go. Thank god,
she has a sister. She says to her sister, can
I move in? And the kids are coming too? So
what's her sister say? Of course, of course you can
(34:33):
move in. Come on, we're sisters. You get in here. Okay,
So the kids move in, she moves in and life begins.
But she who has just moved in with the kids
apparently has not had much sleep, so she stays in
bed till like one o'clock every day. Every day she's
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sleeps so like noon one.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Press she's feeling it. He's going through through it. It's
gonna get over it, got to deal with, you know,
tough on her right.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, just because she's sleeping until noon one o'clock doesn't
mean the seven and four year old are sleeping till
one o'clock. They're up right and early, and so is
the woman's sister who said come on in. So every day,
the woman's sister is now making the kids breakfast because mom's.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Asleep's mom's getting it in?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, who knows what mom's doing, but we know mom's sleeping. Yeah,
So the sister is making breakfast. And now she has
decided that this is wrong. She should not have to
make the kids breakfast. She says, get up and take
care of your kids because the sister is making them
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breakfast every day.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Who's right here and who's wrong? Okay, your family, it's
your sister.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
There there is a period of time where if you're like, okay,
so I'm gonna play the role of the sister. That
allows my sister who just got divorced with the kids
coming in, very good. Come on, come on to my house.
I got room, I got space. You can come stay
with me. I know you're going through a traumatic experience
(36:29):
in a tough time, so come on in, bring the kids.
I'll take care of you. You do you know, just
get yourself right. I know you're depressed. There has to
be a period of time and I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Look, whatever you need me to do, I got I
I still gotta live my life. I got my own
life going on, right. You know you're impeding on my
life and things I got going on. I got a job,
I got everything. Your kids are up, you're dealing with
depressed depression and you're upset. Okay, I'll take care of
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the kid I'll cook them breakfast. There has to be
a time period, though, There has to be a a
a time in which you say, okay, I will do
this for the next thirty days. I'll cook the kids breakfast,
I'll take care of them and in the morning until
you get up. But at some point you have to
get up and start reclaiming your life right. And you
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can't sleep till one o'clock? Can I can I throw
the north thing in? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
When the sister makes the kids breakfast, they tell her
to make a different breakfast.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
We don't want to know. Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Oh no, here's like some potatoes. No, make something else.
Change spoiled kids. That'll changed how you look at the
spoiled kids. Then, yeah, okod good morning, here you go.
Now we're not is no okay, then don't eat that.
Then don't eat because that's what that's what's on the table.
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If you don't want it it, don't eat it. But
I'm not cooking you another damn thing. You're seven, you're four.
You're gonna learn some discipline and you're gonna learn some respect.
And if you don't want to eat what I cooked,
then don't eat.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
How about that? That's how I would handle it too. Yeah. Hell,
i'd make him get a job at four. Hey, Hey,
I got a cart out in the back and there's
some wheels on it. Just go make your lemonade stand,
put it out front. Go just do it. Yeah, go
make you some money. Teach them some respect. Yeah, since
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they got thirty days to go more, and then you
got to get up off your ass and let's go
all right.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Next next segment, Jack Harris at the Times will join
us as we count down to the All Star Game
home run Derby tonight
Now don't we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five to seventy LA Sports All Star Break, time
games tomorrow, Home Run Derby is tonight, cal Rawley, what
a year he's had.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Man's killing it. Thirty eight bombs, Fred, thirty eight
bombs before the All Star Break for a catcher. That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
He's having a great year. We're going to talk more
about that. But now with the All Star Break, it
gives us a chance to visit with someone who never
talks about baseball, Dan Woik, because he talks about basketball,
Dan of course writing for the Athletic. Now, Dan, thank
you for coming.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
On, guys, Rodney, welcome home. Sorry I have no voice.
This is day guys, Day six in Las Vegas. From me?
What this sounds like?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Day six?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is it one hundred and twenty?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yet if I left my hotel room, I would know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, because you're working hard.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We're on our way. We're on our way out here
in a little bit. But yes, it is uh, it's toasted,
it's warm.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What's the Summer League been like this year? Dan? Good? Crowds?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh yeah, really exciting. You know, I got a chance
to watch Cooper Flag play twice, so Dylan Harper play.
You know, I think you know Hanson Yang from Portland,
big crowds for him, really fun player, really fun passer.
You know, I think the way basketball is being played
(01:25):
right now, with talent, with space, with pace, you can
kind of I mean, sometimes some of theague games are
pretty ugly, and these games do get pretty ugly. The
Lakers want a really ugly game the other day. But
I think there is like you can kind of like
you can see enough of some of these guys, and you're, like,
(01:46):
you should be excited about Cooper Flag if you're a fan, like, like,
it's it's pretty obvious. You can tell he knows how
to play basketball, Like the Charlotte Hornets should be pretty
excited about their rookies, like they know how to play basketball.
You can tell, you can see it. You don't want
to make any huge decisions or proclamations about Summer week,
but it's it's been fun, it's been it's been long,
(02:10):
and I look forward to getting home tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Dan, Dan, A couple couple of things I want to
ask you about that because I agree with you with
Cooper Flag. It shows, you know, watching him, his freshman
year at Duke was you know, the fundamentals were there.
How much do you think it benefits a guy going
to college, even if it's for one year, to get
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that different type of tutelage and get that those fundamentals
honed in and as opposed to a kid coming out
of high school trying to skip it and you know,
go g le, go across the water somewhere else Rodyie.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As someone who was in college for nine years like myself,
I think, you know, I can tell you it was
very helpful with me. You know, I don't know. I
think it's you know, different strokes for different folks type
of stuff. I think for him. You know what's so
interesting markuper Flag is that like if we went by
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like first certificate right like he should be going into
freshman or could be going into freshman year college right now, right,
But there's a guy, as a kid who reclassified, moved
up a year, you know, just really really ready, it
seems like for what's in front of him. And I think,
you know, being on the top of a scouting report
like like you know, with more sophistication, with older, more
(03:36):
physical defenders, different things like that, like that you know
he saw in college basketball for a year. Yeah, I
think that it doesn't hurt. Would he have gotten the
same thing had he been playing you know, he can't
play directly in the NBA, but like if you're playing
in you know, overtime e lead or if he was
playing in Australia maybe you know, you know, it's worked
(03:59):
for other people, you know, it doesn't work for everyone.
I think the Lakers have a player around their summer
league team right now, Arrius Baisley, who you know, took
a million dollar internship with New Balance instead of going
to Syracuse and was still a first round pick. But
you know, hasn't really found his footing in the league
trying to do that. You know, the Lakers is kind
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of a run the floor defender athlete. He's put all right,
you know, but would that have changed if he stood
around and played zone at Syracuse for a year. I
have no idea, you know, I don't think it's It's
not a one side fits all for this. I think
what worked for Reflag I think being at Duke being
kind of in the eye of the storm, being asked
for form, meeting those expectations, and now being had, you know,
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coming into the end of day where there are a
lot of expectations for him. I mean maybe already even
a little unfair for some of this stuff, but like,
you know, he seems like he's got the goods.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, did you see Uh I watched a little cliff.
I haven't watched a whole lot of Summer League, but
the clip of Brawny guarding Cooper Flag and how how
was that? How was that match up?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Man?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Because the one clip that everybody's you know, talking about
is and you know, Bronny got called for a foul,
but he was being him up a little bit and
then Cooper Flag it hits one in his face.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was It was really fun. That gave us really fun,
a lot of energy in the building, and like that
moment had a lot of energy in it. You know,
I think, Ronnie, did you know how this grownie six
inches shorter and Cooper Flag Flag's a really big kid.
I think, you know, if you're looking for the little
(05:39):
things to like from what you've seen from Ronnie James
and and you know that's part of my job. Uh,
I'd point to what happened in New Orleans where you know,
they played Jeremy Fears uh, you know rookie point guard.
I think you played at Art Oklahoma last year. I
think anyways, uh, you know, big part of the Pulkan's future.
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And Bronnie and the Lakers really harassed him into a
really bad shooting night. And at the end of the game,
like the fourth quarter, like those dudes got kind of
tangled up, and you could like you could hear Bronnie
like going at him, like talking, you know, and I
think as they try to like figure out what kind
of player that he is. I mean, like that's a
(06:24):
thing you hear sometimes is like maybe is he like
too nice? Is he too shy? Like you know, you
want him to be aggressive, and like you know, like
can a kid can a kid like that really be
like a dog? Yeah? I know it's a lot of euphemisms,
but it was good to see him like get a
little grimy out there, you know what I mean. Like
I thought, now he looks so much more comfortable on
(06:46):
the basketball. He I think, you know, it was conditioning.
All that stuff has to still level up, but he's
playing on hard. He's doing the right things. Certainly doesn't
look out of place in summer league. What that means
for his prospects on the main roster very to be determined.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
All right, Dan Espn wanted to talk to Lebron. Lebron
passed on that people are saying that means something to me,
It means it doesn't Lebron didn't want to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I would.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'd try to talk to Lebron James tow we walked breakfast,
my hands and what's up? And walked, so my feelings
were not hurt. I think. I think no, like you asked,
that's the job, right, you know, And why watched Dave
walk up to him and you know, present him the
opportunity to make some news and Lebron passed, And I look,
(07:38):
it's really hard to know exactly what's going on right now.
If this is like a fall on Cold War, if
this is posturing, if this is like maybe it's just
what it looks.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like too, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And to me, what it looks like is you have
a team that's planning for a mature without Lebron James,
because that's what you do when you have a one
soon to be forty one year old on an expiring
contract and you have a player in Lebron James who's
forty one years old, who is still really freaking good
and as an All NBA player, and you know, in
(08:18):
any reasonable situation, and like most reasonable situations would be
a part of safty players. And as the Lakers try
to figure out what's the right thing to do around
Luka Dacic, like there could be a world where it's
not Lebron James, or it's certainly not killing Lebron James
a max you know, fifty five million dollars sixty million
dollar contract, and so I think I think like those
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that's what it looks like to me. You know, are
there other things that player certainly and other things we're
gonna learn, certainly, but but it seems to me like
it's face to be that. I do think that if
like the idea here is that you know, Lebron wants
to win a championship and he wants to look around
at places where he would want to play, that are
(08:59):
better situations. I think the Lakers were really good last
year with Luka Dacic, Austin Reeves, Ruym, Lebron James. When
those guys played, they were really really good. You know,
they're going to miss Dorian Sidney Smith but you know,
Dendre eight and I think is going to have a
good year.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I believe in it. I think, oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
what did you say believe in it? You said DeAndre
Ayton's going to have a good year. Wait, fred ft,
I ignored that. I ignored that. I mean, it's one
of his favorite players there, Dan Wiki, I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think it's like like it's like everything in life, right,
timing in situation is everything. The Lakers are getting Deander
eight and at the right time, and it's a good
situation for him. Are there going to be days where
we guys where we talk and we're going to talk
about DeAndre Ayton's effort, his focus. Absolutely, we're gonna talk
about it. It's going to come up. It's that out
(09:56):
of today. But I think that, you know, again, for
what they needed out of that position, I mean, he
should be just fine if as long as it's available, like,
he should be just fine. And so I think they're
going to be a pretty good basketball team. And I'm
not totally sure that there is. They better went out there.
And also, by the way, I mean, look, Lebron James
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had the option too to go somewhere else if you
wanted you have to be like that also said something
too that not that he necessarily fall On wants to
play for the Lakers, but it does tell me that
he wants to play. He wants to be paid fifty
five million dollars to play for the Lakers, because that
was the decision he made.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, fifty five million dollars to play for the Lakers
or go somewhere. I'll play with fifty five million dollars
is guaranteed, is guaranteed money?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
What what else?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean as constructed? Now, man Waki, where do you
where do you see the Lakers? And and the off
season now with Luca and Lebron putting aside, any I
guess rumors that Lebron's unhappy, but you know he comes back.
All of that being said, the Lakers going into the
season this coming year optimistic, good, bad, indifferent, better Luca,
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better Lebron, better combinations.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I've always pretty I'm always pretty indifferent. I'll tell you that.
But I I think I think with this seame, I mean,
I don't believe that the work is done. I think
they still need, you know, another defender, either, somebody with
some length and some speed or some physicality. A name
(11:40):
that comes up a lot and when you talk about
the Lakers is Marcus Smart. You know, he's under contract
to Washington. The Wizards, you know, would have to buy
him out. I think for it to be realistic for
the Lakers, and there's no guarantee they're going to do that.
They have a lot of guards. It's it's you know,
(12:01):
I think the Lakers have checked in on that a bunch,
and that's a guy that's monitoring but like looking for
you know, some more physicality that way from point of
tech desense. But you know, like I said, they were
a pretty good team last year with no training camp,
thrown together in the middle of the season, with like
(12:23):
a pretty seismic trade. And you know, like Luca, I
think physically obviously looks much better. You know, he was
gallavanting around Europe with Rodney. You tell us, up, great,
he's just on the you know, on the on the
main deck of the Otwell Magic is on the peloton.
(12:45):
Lucas just doing crunches right next to him. You know,
I think, like he looks good. Yeah, we'll see. I mean,
he's gonna play your row basket. But you know he
looks like he's in a better place. I've talked to
people close to him. I think mental he's gonna be
in a much better place this year. You know, he's
(13:05):
had time to like really calibrate and I don't know, like,
like this team could be pretty good. You know, they
were the three seed. Now Houston got better. Certainly Denver
I think got better. It's gonna be tough that the
Thunder or the Thunder, and I'll have that championship slagger
this year. But you know, if you're asking me if
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the Lakers are in the top tier of contenders, I
would say no. If you ask me if they're in
the second tier, I'd say sure. But things are right,
you know they can be there. They're gonna have to
get a little lucky and they're gonna have to have
some stuff go right. But it should be a good
basketball team.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
All right, Dan, the name Bradley Beal, Lakers, Clippers or.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Who I mean. The thought process is, if you know,
the expectation was at least said the last week that
if he gets bought out, he's going to go to
the Clippers. You know, now that hasn't happened yet, And
as time goes on and things don't happen. You know,
(14:08):
other options could present themselves. Then Clippers make the most sense.
You know, they can pay him a little bit more,
they can offer from a starting spot after the Norman
Powell trade. That that just that that that seems like
I mean when I talk to people here in Vegas,
that seems like a piece of business that to some
(14:29):
extent like has been you know, pretty well like fleshed out.
But you know, you gotta it has to happen. I mean,
you know, the Lakers early in free agency were we're
linked pretty hard at the Anthony Meltain. You know, you
talk to other teams about that. You know, it seemed
like that was like a fade of complete Uh. It
certainly now looks like the Anthony Mountain is going to
(14:51):
sign with the Warriors. He hasn't yet, you know, so
we'll see what happens. But like, like I think the
deal thing seems like it seems like I would say,
assuming the buyout happens, it's the Clippers to lose them.
It feels like based on what I've heard. But you know,
(15:12):
I think that's the place that makes the most sense.
And you guys, that's a good basketball team too. That's
a really good basket team.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They've had it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They've had a nice summer. I think they'll really miss
Norman Powell, but I like the size and John Collins,
you know, and like a lot of teams like that,
they have the firepower to compete.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah. Do you think do you think Bradley Beale makes
them a contender?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I think they're in the tier with the Lakers,
you know. I mean I like the reason I hesitate,
I mean, the thing that makes them a contender, honestly
fed is like is Kawhi Leonard healthy?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like that it's always a question. Yeah, that's that's that's
kind of the certain stop of it, you know for me,
is like if Kawhi Leonard is healthy, they're going to
be a contender. Like he's good enough to win you
playoff series. Uh, you know, he's that dominant of a player.
If he's not totally right physically, you know, and there's
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reason to always worry about that, then you're probably in trouble.
And I think that's that was true last year. I
think it'll be true again this year for them.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The right well enjoy Vegas. Well, let's put it like
this survived Vegas. How about that?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Got guys any tip, any tips for the last twenty
four hours here?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Drink heavily, put it all on black.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, both sounds like awful advice for both guys. Good
drunk and play or that. But you know, I have
to know I said that. This is the exact words
to me. And when I told them, I'm like, I
got twenty hours up in Vegas? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What you tell me? All right? Dan? Take it easy?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
All right? Take care guys.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Do people make too much money? Do athletes make too
much money? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Next.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, come on, let's keep it moving. On a Monday,
Roddy Pete, Fred Rogan, Oh, were coming back with a
little tone look wild thing? Wow, Okay, all star break.
Thank you to Dan Woiki appreciate you. Dan. Sweating it
(17:47):
out in Vegas, Fred, Vegas is not fun in the summertime. No,
especially with that, this kind of advice. Drink heavily and
put it all on black. Yeah, to her friends, he said,
that's what he said. I tell you, guys, are my friends?
Tell me get drunk and bet ma Roulette. Yeah, that's
(18:07):
what you don't want to do in Vegas in the summer.
Drink heavily. You know, when you're young, you can pull
that off. If you get older, don't do it. I'm
just warning you that's not going to be good. Lots
of alcohol in the heat is going to be a
bad combination for you. It's going to be called dehydration.
That's what it will. That's what will happen to you.
So don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, This is something people talk about all the time.
I just found it interesting. Times did a piece on
it last week. SGA Shay Gilgis Alexander makes seventy one million,
twenty five dollars two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
so he makes almost seventy two million dollars a year
to play basketball. Seventy two million dollars. Now you think
to yourself, good lord, seventy two million dollars a year
(18:51):
to play basketball, And people do say that these guys
are way overpaid. It's way too much money. It's ridiculous
the amount of money they make. You always make what
the market will bear. You have to understand that. You
also have to understand that these guys are entertainers. If
Taylor Smith is Taylor Swift makes a billion dollars on
(19:13):
a tool, do you sit there and go, oh, no,
she didn't deserve that. That's too much money, right, I'm
not going to pay this. Yeah, you are sure you are.
You get paid with the market will bear. And these athletes,
besides being athletes that compete, they are entertainers because you
go to the game to be entertained. You have to
(19:33):
remember that if you weren't entertained, you wouldn't even be involved.
So they are making money because they generate money because
they are stars. So when people make the argument out
they make too much money, tell you what, I look
at it like this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
In life, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Who you are or what you do, you don't make
enough money. I think everybody should make more money. Quite frankly, no,
I have a different story about taxes, but I think
that everybody should make more money. I think everybody should
make as much money as humanly possible. Everybody is undervalued.
Every single person that goes to work, works hard every day,
(20:14):
does their job. Everybody, in my mind is undervalued Rodney.
So I think whatever they make, they make it because
they deserve it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And analogy you just gave about Taylor Swift was right on,
because nobody says anything about her, or Beyonce or anybody
any entertainer that's doing this. Brad Pitt just had f
one come out that that movie's going to make over
billion dollars and he's going to get paid because he
produced it and did all that. Nobody talks about the
(20:49):
CEO of American Express or the the the owner of
Paramount or anything like that. They don't talk about the
much money they make and executives that are making all
the money that they're making at Google and all those companies,
Like the fiftieth person at Google is probably making several
billion dollars. So you know it just it makes no
(21:16):
sense to me. We just saw the Lakers get sold
Fred for ten billion dollars, ten billion dollars, and you're
telling me the player can't make seventy million dollars a
year ten billion dollars. It's sold for right, right, And
we're seeing these escalating prices in all these sports teams
(21:40):
that are being sold in the billions. And if they're
someone's paying a ten billion dollars for a franchise, they're
not trying to lose money, Fred, They're paying it because
they want to generate money or there is a way
for them to generate money because they owned this particular
(22:02):
process or product.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's funny you would bring that up like that, Rodney,
because Kevin just said to me, the Tampa Bay Rays
have been sold for one point seven billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Just happened.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
One point seven billion. What are the smallest markets? Yeah,
they went for almost two billion dollars Tampa Bay. Yeah,
a team with no stadium, that's what the Dodgers went for.
But that's what the Dodgers went for.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Granted, you know, two billion dollars was what ten years ago,
fifteen year whatever it was, and they bought them, but
still two billion dollars was for the Dodgers and Tampa
Bay don't even have a stadium right now, right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
One point seven billion, right, think about that. I get
people are upset with you. What the money athletes make?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But let me give you my philosophy that everybody is underpaid,
and I think you are. I think if you work
hard every day and you do your job, I don't
care what your job is, you should get paid more money.
Now there's a whole plan behind this where corporations, instead
of paying taxes, would pay you more money. Of course,
(23:09):
the problem is and they're not paying the same kind
of taxes, so the way the country operates would have
to be adjusted. Yeah, take care of things. But I
really think people are underpaid. If I don't care what
it is. If you can make more, you should make more.
If SGA can make seventy two million dollars a year,
good on him, Good on him. I mean, look at
(23:32):
Anthony Rendon. I think the guy made like two hundred
and forty five million dollars. It'll go down as a
worst deal in Angel's history. For what what did he
get paid for?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But he got it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Do I hold that against him? No, I hold against
him that he never played. Otani's making seventy million. At
the end of the day, is he worth seventy million.
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The Dodgers think he is well damn right, and I'll
tell you this to them the dog when it's all
said and done, that was a bargain.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
A bargain. That was a bargain.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Jan Soda is making a lot of money. I think
that's a bad deal. It's good for Juan Soto, it's
great for him, it's bad for the match. He won't
pay for it, but Oani will pay for his It
was very smart. What's interesting is when you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Look at it and you know, but but go back
to what The stadium is filled. City Field is packed
right on the regular. Yes, and now it's not just
because of Juan Soto, and they were coming on with
Lindor and and Alonso and all that. But Juan Soto
(24:44):
just put it over the top that that stadium will
be packed for every game. And what does that mean? Concessions, sales, jerseys,
all those things. He's not Otani, no, but the stadium
is filled, the jerseys will sell. Is he worth seventy
(25:06):
million a year at the end of the day, Yeah, yeah,
then it's a good deal. Yeah, then it's a good deal.
If these worth seventy million dollars to the franchise, you
don't think that they sit back and their being counters. Go, Okay,
let's the risk reward and let's see what this. How
we going to generate money from this? And Soto and
(25:27):
maybe we who knows what the you know, we talk
about the Dodgers a lot, right, doing what they're doing
in Japan and Asia and all that with Otani? Who
knows what is going on in Dominican Republic? Who knows
what Juan Solo jerseys, Juan Sodo paraphernalia, Wan Sodo? Whatever
is he from Dominican? Any Dominican? He is, Yes, what's
(25:49):
going on down there with their clinics, camps, all the
stuff that's going on down there, and what they're going
to have him do in the offseason. Who knows what
that is. But they justified it and they paid it,
and that city field is packed.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
If they think he's worth seventy million, well first they'll
pay him. And I don't know about Steve Cohen, because
he's crazy. He just wants to win. He'll do anything.
He'd spend any amount of money to win. There's that too.
But if they think from a business standpoint, he's worth
seventy million dollars a year, then that's a good deal.
That's a market now, Anthony Brendon, you're not getting any
return on that investment. That's a terrible deal. It's the
(26:29):
worst deal. And I think next year they're done with them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
They're done. Deshaun Watson and Cleveland. He didn't get anything
on that investment. That a bad deal's work. That might
be worse deal in sports. Yeah, that's an awful deal.
And you talk about Deshaun Watson. Here's the funniest part
of it. If you look at all of these numbers,
and they are truly astronomical, congratulations to everybody that gets paid.
(26:55):
The guys that probably should make the most make the least.
It's the NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
True, they don't play as many games, I get that,
but they are at a higher risk of injury than anybody,
and they make.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
The least money. Yeah. Look, I think I saw something
that was you know, we just talked about the baseball
players making this and basketball players and SGA getting seventy
one million dollars. Lebron we just talked about him making
fifty five this year and a number of guys are
over fifty. There are seven guys in the NFL and
(27:30):
make over fifty seven, and they're all quarterbacks, all of
them quarterbacks. But seven guys make over fifty million dollars
to your point of looking Baseball, looking basketball and the
NFL is the pulling up the rear. I mean, obviously
hockey's pulling up the rear. It's not as popular as
all the other three sports. But but football should be
(27:53):
the one sport that that guys get paid the most.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, and they get paid the least. Yeah, on a
comparative basis. I understand they only play what seventeen games? Yeah,
but the point is.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It, but it's the most popular sport, and it's the
most it is the most lucrative sport of the three
as well, which makes it even crazier. Yeah, and the
most dangerous sport. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, look, anybody can get hurt at any time,
but if you're if you hit a bet. We got
a basketball player, a baseball player, and a football player,
and we got a bet who's got a higher chance
of getting hurt faster, I'm picking a football guy on
a time.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, Well, then they should be paid for Well.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
That's the argument, and I'm not saying I agree with it,
But the argument the owner's use is because the injury
rate is so high in the NFL. We can't guarantee
money because we'd lose so much because so many guys
were got hurt so often, and we're guaranteeing all these
guys all this money. There's also the players Association, which
you've talked about at nause and with Eric. You know,
Roddy's terrible now. I mean, they're in the midst of
a controversy right now, you know, over the Deshaun Watson
(28:59):
con tracked and collusion and all that. But that's the
argument the owners use, we can't guarantee money. It's all
these guys because they get hurt so much.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, which is you know, and they've won that argument
over the years, which is crazy, which is why it's
still it's. And we've got the worst union, and all
of those things are the worst, the worst union, the
worst healthcare, the worst everything of all the sports where
it's the most violent and your chances of being injured
are the greatest, and and so it's it's it's a
(29:28):
definite imbalance because the NFL generates more revenue than Major
League Baseball and NBA combined. It's not even close what
the NFL does in revenue, and and and and so
it's but again going back to the original thought, friend
(29:49):
of of athletes making this money. If they're getting paid
that money, what do you think that people owning the
team are getting And I know a lot of owners
want to cry broke, but there's not you're not over
imagine like twenty years ago, like you said, I don't
(30:10):
know what was it. I don't know when they bought
the Dodgers to two billion dollars years ago. It's twenty twelve.
Twenty twelve, they bought them NBA teams. NBA teams, what
did who was the Phoenix Suns? I think they sold
for like four billion dollars. Yeah, it was, and the
Lakers went for ten less than ten years, they went
(30:33):
for ten billion dollars.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I'm looking right now. The lowest valued MOB team according
to Forbes is the Memphis Grizzlies, and there were three
billion dollars. Yeah, they're the least valuable NBA franchise.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Least value. Jerry j bought that. Jerry Jones bought the
Dallas Cowboys for a little over one hundred million dollars.
Right when Balmer spent two billion dollars on the Clippers,
people thought this all went crazy. It went crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's like, what could you possibly be doing When you
buy a team. You buy it for appreciation of the asset,
because you're going to make your money back and then something.
But just you have enough money to operate, operate along
the successfully in the intrum. Yeah, I can't believe Tampa
Basel for almost two billion dollars. Those guys they had
to go. They had to go because they couldn't get
(31:23):
a new stadium built. They couldn't even negotiate anything. I
wonder if they'll stay there. I want to know more
on that.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Kevin the Athletic is reporting that the new ownership group
plans to keep it there.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Now.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I feel like the new ownership group in Oklahoma City
said they planned to keep the team in Seattle when
it came to the SuperSonics and we saw what happen there.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh, the operative term is planned, correct, that's the word.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
That's the wording.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's what you say when you're buying the team, right,
and then things change when you have the team. Well,
it didn't work out. Dan Kirnky said the same thing.
I want to keep him in Saint Louis. I really do.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It comes out of this. It's simple, Rodney. Here's what
it comes down to. I plan to keep him here. Great, right,
let's sit down and see if we can get what
we need out of the city, out of the state,
out of the county.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Here's what I need.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Keep them here. Well, we can't do that. Well, I
can't keep them here. I can't keep them here.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
What do you want from me? I told you what
my plan was. I tried you. You did it. You
made me do this.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
If you just would have done what I asked. And
by the way, I've shown up with a gun and
a mask because I'm gonna rob you. So if you
just let me rob you, I'll keep the team here.
But if you don't, at least I planned to. That's
what they say. That's how they handle it at the beginning.
Always yeah, always yeah, Just give me what I want.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You're not gonna do that. Well, jeez, I can't stay
I can't stay here. What do you want from me?
I can't. It's just business. You know what you did
this to me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You made me do this.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So we're looking at the Nashville rais huh that? Oh,
that's the market to go to, you know that, that's
the place to go? Would you make breakfast for your
sister's kids. Let's talk about that.
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Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh yeah, come on, let's go. Let's keep it moving.
Here on a Monday, beautiful sunny Monday in southern California.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Freddie, All right, what do you do here? Here's a question.
Uh oh, you know, hey, we have to be there
for family. We always have to be there, right, family first? There, Yes, yes, yes, absolutely,
here we go. Here's a question. So a woman has
two kids, and the woman recently splits with her husband.
(34:11):
Now you understand this is traumatic, right, m Okay, the
kids are seven and four, so the kids are little.
The woman splits and has nowhere to go. Thank god,
she has a sister. She says to her sister, can
I move in? And the kids are coming too? So
what's her sister say? Of course, of course you can
(34:33):
move in. Come on, we're sisters. You get in here. Okay,
So the kids move in, she moves in and life begins.
But she who has just moved in with the kids
apparently has not had much sleep, so she stays in
bed till like one o'clock every day. Every day she's
(34:56):
sleeps so like noon one.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Press she's feeling it. He's going through through it. It's
gonna get over it, got to deal with, you know,
tough on her right.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, just because she's sleeping until noon one o'clock doesn't
mean the seven and four year old are sleeping till
one o'clock. They're up right and early, and so is
the woman's sister who said come on in. So every day,
the woman's sister is now making the kids breakfast because mom's.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Asleep's mom's getting it in?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, who knows what mom's doing, but we know mom's sleeping. Yeah,
So the sister is making breakfast. And now she has
decided that this is wrong. She should not have to
make the kids breakfast. She says, get up and take
care of your kids because the sister is making them
(35:52):
breakfast every day.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Who's right here and who's wrong? Okay, your family, it's
your sister.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
There there is a period of time where if you're like, okay,
so I'm gonna play the role of the sister. That
allows my sister who just got divorced with the kids
coming in, very good. Come on, come on to my house.
I got room, I got space. You can come stay
with me. I know you're going through a traumatic experience
(36:29):
in a tough time, so come on in, bring the kids.
I'll take care of you. You do you know, just
get yourself right. I know you're depressed. There has to
be a period of time and I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Look, whatever you need me to do, I got I
I still gotta live my life. I got my own
life going on, right. You know you're impeding on my
life and things I got going on. I got a job,
I got everything. Your kids are up, you're dealing with
depressed depression and you're upset. Okay, I'll take care of
(37:00):
the kid I'll cook them breakfast. There has to be
a time period, though, There has to be a a
a time in which you say, okay, I will do
this for the next thirty days. I'll cook the kids breakfast,
I'll take care of them and in the morning until
you get up. But at some point you have to
get up and start reclaiming your life right. And you
(37:25):
can't sleep till one o'clock? Can I can I throw
the north thing in? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
When the sister makes the kids breakfast, they tell her
to make a different breakfast.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
We don't want to know. Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Oh no, here's like some potatoes. No, make something else.
Change spoiled kids. That'll changed how you look at the
spoiled kids. Then, yeah, okod good morning, here you go.
Now we're not is no okay, then don't eat that.
Then don't eat because that's what that's what's on the table.
(37:59):
If you don't want it it, don't eat it. But
I'm not cooking you another damn thing. You're seven, you're four.
You're gonna learn some discipline and you're gonna learn some respect.
And if you don't want to eat what I cooked,
then don't eat.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
How about that? That's how I would handle it too. Yeah. Hell,
i'd make him get a job at four. Hey, Hey,
I got a cart out in the back and there's
some wheels on it. Just go make your lemonade stand,
put it out front. Go just do it. Yeah, go
make you some money. Teach them some respect. Yeah, since
(38:39):
they got thirty days to go more, and then you
got to get up off your ass and let's go
all right.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Next next segment, Jack Harris at the Times will join
us as we count down to the All Star Game
home run Derby tonight
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