July 15, 2025 • 43 mins
Ned Colletti joins us to talk all-star game and where the Dodgers sit at the break. MLB will use the ABS challenge system tonight in the all-sar game. Should the NCAA tournament expand?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
five seventy LA sports Net. COLLETI will be jumping on
here in a couple of minutes. What are the great
moments of the All Star Game. I don't know when
it'll happen tonight, not exactly sure, but we'll certainly look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
They will be using the.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
ABS challenge system. Here we go, Here we go. They'll
be using the challenge system to look at you, Fred,
look at you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You hear the interview with the pictures. We'll talk to
net about this, but let's bring him off so we
can talk about it as well.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey, Ned, Hey guys, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ned COLLETTI?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Things are great. I'm sitting in London teaching for Pepperdine.
Went to Wimbledon semi finaled. I was actually gentlemen. I
was on the BBC Worldwide Radio Wow between between the
semi finals. Matta says, you guys are good, but you're
not five seventy am.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I gotta tell you that's benantastic man, and well you
should be on the BBC. I was in the Old Country, Matt,
I was. I was traveling around Italy and sicily man
it was thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh oh that's the best. Ye my homeland, sicily, you
know it's I love it there. I've been there a
couple of times. Need to go back. But yeah that's grateful.
Oh good, good for you. Yeah man beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, hey need When you were on the BBC, were
those guys a little stuffy?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah? They were good. We talked about Savica that they
introduced a new thing that we got. We talked baseball,
we talked hockey, we talked a little bit of American
food and certainly tennis, of course, and they asked it,
you know, told me about a couple of recipes like
strawberries and cream and Wimbledon a big deal, right, And
they said, put a little pepper on it. And so
(01:46):
when I got one Floyer that that the Horines, the
Horine showed me himI and Hawaii savice with popcorn. What meg,
oh magnificent what? So I said, well, here's one Foya
and I dropped that on them, and so we were tired.
After after ten minutes, we were tied at one recipe
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each VI with popcorn. It sounds kind of story, No no, no,
it's Haimi hereen Hore Horeen. I mean they you know,
they've hosted me over a few times and and they
bring that out. It's like, you know, you go, really
and then you have it and you go, oh my goodness,
where's the you know, how come the popcorn hasn't been
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everywhere we've been anyway?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, all right, neat All Star Break when you were
in the chair, what did the All Star Break signify to.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You, Well, it was it was two different things. Early
on in my career, everybody showed up at all the
GMS showed up at it. You started your trade talks,
started to really dig into who was moving, who who
was serious. And it was blessed to have teams for
a long time that were always in the addition mode,
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not the subtraction mode. And then people stop stop showing up.
It was, you know, the season is so long, the
grind is so severe that people stop going. They looked
at it as two or three days to kind of
take a breath, pick some calls, but really gear up.
As soon as the season really starts. At the end
of the week, everybody's going to be calling everybody to
see who's got who available. More teams are at there's
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so many teams in it now because of the wild card,
and so you've got more teams that think they've got
a chance. But you know, you start really kind of
kind of focusing in on all the homework you've done
thus far. You've had your scouts out, you're having a
little people looking through different things. But it's gonna still
start for real when you get past has to break here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Man, you've been around a long time. You've seen the
different eras of the All Star Game and Home run
Derbys and things like that. Where do you think it
is now in terms of like the competitiveness A lot
of people complaining that the lack of stars and home
run Derby and then the same thing with the All
Star Game itself. Where do you rank where the All
Star our festivities are now?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, that's that's a great question. It's it's almost a
celebration of the game more than it's anything else. As
as you dissected, you know, and I work in hockey
and I love that sport, and you think about, you know,
the Four Nations tournament that went on this year and
really how it brought so many new fans of the
game because of the competitiveness of the Four countries involved
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and the whole thing. You know, baseball, it's more of
a celebration. You got the home run dervy. Some guys
don't want to participate. They think it's gonna mess up
this swing. They think, you know, they're in a good place.
So the guys don't worry about it and go out
to have a good derby and continue to have a
great year. It's kind of a mixed bag. And the
game itself too. I mean, you know, it's it's a
little competitive, but nobody is going out there to really
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lay it all on the line, not too much at stake,
so it's kind of caught in the middle. I think,
you know, you should have it, I guess, to celebrate
the game. But again, it's not like it's ultra competitive.
It's a chance for for people to watch to watch
it and see different combinations of what teammates would look like,
and it's great for the city that hosts it. But
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it's not necessarily going to be like the Four Nations tournament,
where people are playing for the pride of the country
and doing everything they can to do it. The futures game,
to me, is almost more interesting because you've got young
players trying to make an impression in front of everybody,
and they've been playing in triple AAA, maybe single A.
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But that to me has almost gotten more intrigued to
it than homerun Derby, which is cool for the fans
and cool for a few players in the All starch
and the future game to me has got more to
it from a scouting standpoint or from a learning about
a player that you don't have in your organization than
either of the other two events. On net.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's talk about Jacob Miserowski. He's the Brewers' pitcher. He
pitched five games, five games, and he would selected as
a reserve of the All Star Game. Some people are
saying that's insane, the guys only pitched five games in
Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, that it is, it is a bit quick, you know,
I mean, there's a lot of you know, if anyway
he's pitched well, but again, five games, it's really not
that big of a sample size. Obvious, that's an obvious statement.
But again, you know, I know that I don't know
all detail, and I don't know if there were other
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pitchers asked before he was asked that said, now you
know I'm pitching on Saturday. I'm pitching on Sunday. I
don't want to do it. I don't want to go.
You know, don't count on me, you know. So you know,
I don't know if there was a short line, a
short list, a long list, no list, or whatever, but
it's very unique that somebody would have this opportunity and
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to really kind of showcase their skills in front of
a national audience in a sol out of Atlanta Stadium,
to do it it is is I don't know that
anybody's ever made the All Star team with less of
a sample size. Has it been good? Yeah, we just
saw it not too long ago, but it's it is
a very short sample side. But see, I don't know
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who else was asked if there was four or five
they were asked. I kept saying, knowing, I said, well,
let's ask this guy. He's made you know limits it starts,
but you can't doubt that the production for the at
least a five has been you know, pretty special. Again,
you know, as my good friend Vance Lovelace would say,
you know, it's not a baseball week, it's not a
baseball month, it's a baseball season. And five games does
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not make a baseball season.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Uh. Could it be because we talked about this a
little bit earlier that that baseball kind of lagged behind
the NFL and and the NBA in terms of celebrating
its individual stars, right and and and really embracing the
social media and the individuality of guys. Could this be
a result of that, is that baseball is starting to
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get it because you are seeing guys with more personality,
They're promoting guys individually and and and this might be
you know, a situation where this is a young and upcoming,
you know, phenom that we want to showcase and promote
the sport through our individual players.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think that that could certainly be be part of
the thought process. And I haven't seen it for a while,
but there's there're surveys that go out, you know, what
athlete is the most prominent, you know, off the field
in any sport and has the most revenue coming in
not related to the game play being played, but there
their status as an athlete and is rarely a baseball player,
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and obviously show he has changed all that. But once
you get past shoe, you know who else is it?
And so you know you've got stars from other sports.
You know, as I say, you know, I teach at
a great university, and when I bring up players from
ten years ago in MLB, they kind of look at
me like who you talk about? And you know, they
could name the roster of the Liverpool le f C,
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but they can't really tell me. You know, give me,
give me the ten greatest players in baseball in the
last twenty years. That you get blank blank look sometimes.
So the game needs to do that. And if this
is an indication that they that they want to start
to promote their young players and there they're young stars
to get more people interested, then you know, hey, then
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that that makes that makes some sense. But if you
if you ever look at that list and you take
showhy off the list of of what athletes NFL, NBA,
epl uh, you know, the Italian League, the Spanish league.
You take a look at those lists and you're not
going to find a whole ton of MLB players on it,
which is kind of indicative of what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And a Tanner Scott struggled again as we close the
first half of the season, and at what point, I mean,
they're paying them a lot of money and he's got
one job, and that job is to go out, shut
it down and close it out. And he's not had
a great year, he really has it. At what point
do you say, well, not we made a mistake, but
maybe we got to put him in a different kind
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of role or position here because we can't as we
begin the second half let him blow games.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, the organization, in my opinion, always has the long view,
And you know they've gone through a thirty day stretch
a couple of weeks ago. It ended up playing really
good teams and came out a little bit over five hundred.
They played all this time with really almost an entire
pitching staff on the il, and he still got a
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five and a half game lead. So you know they're
playing with houses money a bit. So you'd rather give
him more opportunity, more time to figure it out, and
just say, okay, you know we're going to have you
pitch six or seventh matchups and try and get you
back on track. Well, that happened, Sure it'll happen if
it continues. But I as I watch, and you know,
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I don't have any insight into meetings or thought process,
But as you watch it, you know they played the
long game. If they were fine five and a half back,
I think you'd see a chain. But they're five and
a half bump and they're you know, and they're starting
to get some starting pitching back. So I think it's
it's all a day to day type of thought process.
But they're gonna be patient with guys. That's what they do.
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And you can look back at a lot of their
young players that struggled early and they stayed with them
and they ended up being being great young players. And
so they play the long game. So it's tough for
fans sometimes, you know, to to watch it and go,
why do they keep doing this? Why do they keep
doing that? Well, they've got a long game plan and
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they're in no hurry to upset anybody if the effort's
pure and the results just start there. So I think, yeah,
you might see that in time, but I don't think
you're going to see it anytime soon unless they've really
come to that juncture, that crossroads and their decision making
that hey, you know what, we've got to try something new,
put somebody else at the end of the game and
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let him get on tray. You know, when it's not
the last three outs of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah. That being said that, the other day or yesterday,
we asked the callers to give the Dodgers a grade
through the first half. Fred give them an A because
of what you just said, with all the injuries, with
all the things going on, there's still five and a
half games up. Where do you rank them? What grade
would you give them at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, it's typically an A plus, but I'd say a A.
I mean, they are five and a half up. How
many teams could lose as much starting pitching, bullpen and
the entire thing. When you think of the money on
the IL, when you think of the talent on the
I l if you just explained it and took the
names off and said, okay, so there's a team that
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spent a lot of money on different things here and
their players, and they've had this many people on the IL,
whether it's starters, relievers, position players. Who do you think
they'd be at the All Star But nobody would ever
say five and a half up? So you know, it's
a testimony to how they go about it, the long
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view and the depth that they've created by adding people
and trying to fortify themselves against this situation. And we
went through it last and we've gone through it a
couple of years where there's a lot of guys that
are hurt, especially the pitchers, but yet they you know,
they fortified it, but they still have the issue. But
it's tough to give anybody less than that type of
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grade when they've had so many injuries and they're five
and a half up, and you know they're the only
team in the division over five hundred on the road.
There's certain landmarks you've got to have, I believe, as
a team to be successful. One is how you play
inside your own division. You've got to be superior than
the other four teams. You've got to get over five hundred,
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and then not just five over, seven over, but ten,
fifteen over, and then build off of that, and you've
got to be able to win on the road. I
don't think there's another team in the West that's over
five hundred on the road. So add it all up, Yeah,
we wish would be an A plus or A maybe
is too strong grade to some of the listeners who
you guys, But you know, how do you argue with
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where they're at? I mean, it's tough to argue with
where they're at.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yesterday exactly what I said. I gave him an a.
Given what they've been through, what do you expect? It's
remarkable they're there.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh yeah, no doubt. I mean it says a lot
about Dave robertson the coaching staff, the players, the pursuit,
the intestinal fortitude that they've got and whenever, and when
you look at how they played the Giants, and you
look at how they played the Pods, two teams that
are trying to trying to challenge them, they can't. They
haven't been able to do it. Look at San Francisco
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on Sunday, two runs in the ninth, the crowd's going wild.
They tie the game of of of Scott and what
happens two whinnies later, they're going home. They got beat
five to two. It's over and over again. It's it's
it's inconsistency.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, and that I mean, seriously, you know we say
this's like a broken record for the last three or
four years. You said it just now. The job Dave
Roberts does with all of this, the good, the good
and the bad, and through the ups and downs in
tough times and managing the injuries and all that kind
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of stuff, does not get the credit that he deserves.
I mean, everybody thinks, oh, he's managing the Doctors, an
easy job. It's not an easy job.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh no, oh no, what what is the expectation every year?
Win the World Series? It's not make the playoffs, it's
not win ninety games, no, it's is you know what,
win a division and win the World serious? I mean
there's no there's no margin of error. What he has
done is Hall of Fame caliber. And you know, I
watch managers all the time. I've lost them for decades,
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and how he handles games, and how he handles the
personalities and the egos, and you know, Doctor is a
great group and they love each other and listen that,
but they all want to play. You only got so
many effets and so many innings. But the way he
handles the the people inside the uniform, it's remarkable. And
people complain. You know, there's always the manager's fault when
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the team loses a game, you know, and it's always
the player's credit when the team wins the game. You know,
the managers only on one side he can fall on,
which is what's he doing? You know? But I think
I think he's done for rep terrific. You know, the
team gets the team. The players get the praise when
they win, and the manager and sometimes the GM get
the get the daggers when when they get beat even
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though the players are on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Now, COLLETTI with us now, don't want to flash forward
a little bit, because you have been in the chair
when these things have gone on. And that is the
contract with the players have with baseball. After next season
will be up and there's talk now of a possible
work stoppage. I think that is a real possibility. I
think that the owners wanted a salary cap. The players
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will never give what happens here and ned ultimately.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well, I'm not sure what the end result is, but
I agree with you that there's always, as they say,
saber rattling a year out. This is this is going
to be a battle, and it typically has been almost
without battle for a long time. A couple of years
ago you had a little bit of a of a
hiccup before the season started, but everything worked its way out.
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You got to go back I think ninety four ninety
five where you know you had lost the World Series
and at the end of the ninety four ninety five
starter late. But I think there's there's going to be
on one side, hey we want some change, and on
the other side, hey, we're doing great, we don't need
any change. And one of the things, and again this
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is just an opinion. The toughest not the toughest battle,
but next to the toughest battle, which is one side
against the other, is getting everybody on one side to
agree to what they want. Because when you look at
the when you look at baseball teams, you have a
vast array of success, revenue, lack of revenue, lack of success.
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I mean it's vast. I mean, look at look at
the Dodgers, look at the Yankees, a few other teams,
and then and look at a handful of teams that
are sitting at the bottom, that don't have the attendance,
don't have the TV revenue, don't have any of that.
Those meetings I think are probably as as as heated
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or as passionate I should say, rather than heated, but
as passionate as the meetings between the players Association and
the ownership. I think that's that's tough. When you're gonna
have thirty different groups come together with one idea in
mind that they can all agree upon is look at
the disparity in it. The World Series was lost in
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ninety four because there was no revenue sharing, I think,
and no luxury text and so it took the World
Series to to be canceled. Then it took until late
April for the ninety five season to begin because of
those types of issues, and they settled on on doing
something in that bag. But it's it's not close now.
I mean, you had a team last year that lost
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more games than any team in the history of the sport, okay,
and you got a team this year in the other
league that's challenging that record. I mean, is that parody?
Is that? You know? Is that the way you love
it to be? Of course not, I don't think anybody
likes it. But to get everybody on one page, whether
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it's a group of thirty owners or whether it's a
group of eight hundred players, sometimes that's the toughest place
to be. But I don't know that this. You know,
Tony Clark, I read some of his stuff today, the
union president, former player, you know, I don't you know?
He is vehemently opposed to a salary cap, vehemently, And
I think the players will stand on that, good or bad.
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I think they'll stand on that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
But the players want a floria though, But the players
want a floor as well, so they can't have it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Both play right, they do, but they do and they
don't because because Tony Clark. I think, I think Tony
has and I don't want to be I'm not quoting.
I'm not just trying to recollect, but I think when
people have talked about the floor, he says, you can't
have a floor without a cap, and we're not having
a cap. Would players like their team to yeat to
compete that You got teams paying a luxury tax that
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exceeds maybe some team's payrolls. When you think of that,
it's like, you know, how how does this work? How
is this good? But you know, I don't you know.
You would like teams to compete. You would like teams
to be able to spend, especially when they're getting revenue
sharing money, which came up a handful of years ago
where there's a couple of teams that weren't even spending
on payroll what they were getting out of the luxury tax.
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You know you can't be doing that. But again, the
disparity continues to grow and discredit for what they've done.
But you know other teams could have done it, they
choose not to, right.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, you're over there in Europe, right, and you're
you're dealing with You got the Premier League, you got
the Hispanish Italian, all all those leagues, Champions League, all
those things. Is it going to come to a situation
where if you can't compete with the Dodgers, the Yankees,
the Phillies, you better sell the team because we're not. Well,
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now you're speaking friends, Now you're thinking. Now you're speaking
Fred's language.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right, That's how I look at.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
How would that be if big owners would be paying
bigger money. You know, they make it a hundred million
of franchise in the e PL for being in that
Baker that would say so much.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But but you know you mentioned I mean like Tampa
Bay and Pittsburgh and those those cities. Those owners you
better have deep pockets if you're gonna own one of
these teams.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Exactly and be willing to compete like Mark Walter, Todd, Bowley,
Sandcass and Magic all those guys. You gotta have that
that appetite to compete. I don't I don't know any
cysis on your show before. I don't know any ownership
with the appetite, appetite to win, to do it. You know,
I GM for three years with with that group and
then the TV, which obviously wasn't in their meetings and
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stuff like that. Nobody ever told me, you know what,
that's too much money. They will always say can he
help us win? Can the player help us win?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And say yeah, and they go do it. I mean,
who else is doing it? Is hardly anybody else doing it.
Maybe George Steinbrenner back in the day, but but you
know that that's not prevalent. You're going down to Triple
A because you lost one hundred and twenty plus games.
Guess what you know you're gonna be. You're gonna be
playing a differ could type a game if that's if
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that's the penalty to it. But that'll that'll never happen either,
see Nett.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And years ago, many years ago, you know, families owned
franchises and it was a symbol of status. Uh, it
was something for the community. But now you've got people
with billions of dollars from businesses and all sorts of
businesses and they buy in and they want to win.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You don't spend two.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Billion dollars as once we find out too. Mark Walter
was like two cents but two billion dollars to buy
the Dodgers and now win, or Steve Walmer with the
Clippers and not try to win. You just don't do it.
And what you have is a guy like Mark Walter
here in our market spending two billion and going forward,
and Artie Moreno living on a shoe string. Or let's
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go back to when Frank McCord owned the Dodgers. He
wasn't liquid, there was no money. He exhausted everything just
to buy the team.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Those guys, those people can own teams anymore, ned because
it just doesn't work that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That makes great sense? I think that we're I mean,
this is like watching the San Andreas fault, you know.
I mean, it's gonna take years to change this. But
like as I read today, Tampa Bay, which the owner
paid I think two hundred million for YEP, is selling
for one point seven billion. Okay, So if you're you know,
to your point, if you're paying one point seven billion,
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are you are you gonna have a payroll that's at
the bottom of the league and hope your player development
and your scouting can you know, can get you to
the playoffs once in a while. Noah, I mean, it's
impossible to spend that money and have that approach. But
you still have ownership that has been in place who
didn't pay two billion dollars, didn't pay one seven, didn't
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pay three billion. You still have owners that paid the
two hundred million, you know, in some cases one hundred million,
and so they're looking at, you know, one hundred million
to two billion. Hey, Hellely, I'll just sit on this.
I'll just keep watching the thing go up. I'll put
them up for sale. I'll pull back.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well well ned on that point, though, how do you Conversely,
You've got guys that did that in the NFL that
are still winning. Jeffrey Loriie paid less than two hundred
million dollars for the Eagles, Jerry Jones paid less than
two hundred million dollars for the Cowboys, and yet they're
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still doing it. Is it a difference of the way
the leagues are operated as opposed to now, you can't
survive if you're not that billionaire coming in because you're
saying those guys, those families that bought into baseball that
are running baseball, and you've got a number of them
that are still there can't compete any more. Yet the
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ones that started in the NFL are thriving. Is it
because of the different models?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I think they're and I and I am not an
expert in the I'm not an expert in the baseball
collective bargaining, although I know it, I'm far from anything
of a knowledgeable source on the NFL. All I know
is that, you know, they had their version of replacement
players decades ago, and I don't know that anything that
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they've ever had any stop and since nothing I can
think of all the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Even believe it was yeah, eighty seventy cent, Yeah eighty seven,
I think, I mean, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
May have been when they you know, try you know,
the other players for two or three games. But they're
they're very well, they're very well organized, and it's almost
you know, baseball is a little bit of a different sport,
how it's collectively bargained, how all those rules take place,
how you have revenue sharing. About this for a minute,
(27:01):
if you had a major League Baseball team in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
How would that go? I mean, it wouldn't even exist
right right, But yet it's one of the proud franchises
of the league because of revenue sharing and because of
splitting TV money and keeping everything equal and not really
they have a cap, but they either you can you
can get around it a little bit. Again, I'm not
(27:22):
I'm not the expert in it. I know I know
the NHL cap a little bit, but it's it's the
way they put it together. And when they came out
of that that that issue in nineteen eighty seven, they
they fortified the group of ownership. They fortified it. They
made the players come back probably with less than they
had had left with, and they made it different. And
(27:46):
the players still get paid well in the players but
you know, I don't even you would notice better than irony.
But I don't you know the guaranteed contract in the
NFL doesn't exist or is it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Just signing it? Yeah, it doesn't exact. Think about the
different it's different. Yeah, Baseball players got it much better.
The players got it much better in the other sports
than the NFL. The owners are the ones that make
it out.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
No doubt. And so that it's it's a totally different
different look at it in a different set of rules
and a different set of expectations, completely different. And you know,
baseball is the only sport I think is in North
America major sport without some type of camp and I
doubt that I'll live long enough to ever see one.
You may see different revenue sharing models, and you may
(28:32):
see more penalty and tougher penalties and try and keep
people from from spending you know, far more than anybody else.
But I don't know that I'll ever live to see
the day when there's a salary cap and baseball like
there is in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
All right, that great stuff, And enjoy London. You got
fish over there or.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No, you know what it's on my list, No doubt
I went to the last time on your recommendation. It's
it's excellent. I can't get in there. Sometimes I've looked
a couple of times now now you know, I'll come
back next week. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That is that is that is one of one hundred
and fifty thousand that Fred got right that that you
went to that restaurant and it work.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It was good. It was a spurt, the moment thing.
He was right up, he was right on, including the
little the little fish man. You know whatever that is
placeholder that you put in your pocket when you walk out.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Steal the steal the fish. That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Oh my god, that's gentlemen. Take care of it. Love
being on. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh my god. Is he not the best in the
whole wide world. Oh he's the greatest. And he could
tell you know what. You could sit and have him
on for three hours under the run and tell stories
and you just you be glued, right, yeah, you never
stop stop listening. Okay, well now they've got it right.
It's about time we'll discuss that.
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Speaker 1 (30:27):
Fred Rug and Rodney Peat five seventy l A Sports.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Sorry, yes, Freddy, come on, let's go. So this is love,
some love some Ned Colletti though, give it up again
for Ned Colletti. He is absolute the best. This is it.
Are you ready? Are you ready? Preddy? I know you're happy, man,
I'm gonna give your moment real quick. I'm gonna i'mnna
step aside. I'm gonna give you your moment because you've
(30:56):
been You've been lobbying for this for obviously, I think
maybe as long as I've been on the air with you, you've
been lobbying for this, But at least for the last
five years you have. And here we go, So go
go Fred.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
All right, So in the All Star Game tonight, everybody
will have an opportunity to see what the ABS system
looks like. Apparently each team will get two challenges and
retains its challenge if it's successful. So what is this
automatic ball strikes? It's computerized, it's the robo umpire and
(31:34):
it's happening tonight. Now they're not calling the game, but
you will get to use the challenge system as they
did in the spring. And in the spring, as Rodney said,
when this first came out, and I still laugh about it,
how would they indicate it? You would just go challenge. No,
that's not how it is. You just don't scream out challenge.
(31:55):
You tip the top of your helmet, and it's got
to be basically immediate and the only right only the
picture and the catcher can do it, right, or is
it only the catcher, well, the hitter or the hitter.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That only the pitcher or the hitter. The player is
on the picture of coaching. Can't be the catcher.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't thought it was the cat I'll double check
on that.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, here's the thing, because I saw the interviews yesterday
with faul Skeins and Trek Scouble and they both said,
we're going to leave it up to the catcher to
make that decision whether the challenge the checking. Both of
them said that I don't want to challenge. I'm going
to leave it up to the catcher because I think
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everything is a strike. Both of them said that you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Are correct, Rodney, pitcher, catcher, batter.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Those are the three people that can call the challenge
on the field. But the thing is you got to
do it right away. It has to be immediate.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yes, yeah, you can't wait like thirty seconds, fifteen seconds
and somebody goes, hey, challenge that.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Challenge, so the team can look at the video and
go that's balld'll get challenge. No, you can't do no,
you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But this is the beginning of it, and we know
that the players really don't love the idea. They really
don't love the idea of the automatic strike zone. They
don't like it because a if.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The players don't like it, Fred, why do you like it?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Because I know best, because I know what's best for
the players, because somebody has to take a stand and
tell them this is what's best for you.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Also, it's best for the game.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's best for the game, that's why, because the game
is about having people watch and be engaged in the game.
Why do you think they sped it up? Why do
you think they made the bases bigger? At first it
seemed like a pain in the button, stupid. It worked
because they're trying to grow their brand every single day,
as every sport is, as every business is, and this
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is best for the game. I can't say. I can't
say it enough. Everybody sick of me saying it. People
watching at home cannot know more than the people playing
the game. It does not work in our These are
events made for media, television, streaming, whatever device, and people
(34:09):
want more and more data and more and more information
now than ever before, especially when you can bet they want.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Me ask you this information on that as we go
forward with this, because you want this implemented regularly, right, Yeah,
this whole system, so you eliminate the ball and strikes
from the umpire. You think that's better than having what
we're going to have tonight in the All Star Game,
where you get challenges like you have. The system is
(34:40):
in place, and if you want to use it, you
can use it. You get so many challenges as opposed
to it calling every single pitch. You think that's better
because I think the challenges and when you use the
challenges actually makes it palable for me because it still
keeps the the human element of when am I going
(35:01):
to challenge this? Am I going to challenge a ball
and strike in the first inning? Or am I going
to challenge it in the eighth or ninth inning. I'm
going to save these challenges that I have and be
strategic about it. But you want it all the time
I do. Their system is challenge. If you're right, you
retain your challenge. If you're wrong, you lose it, and
(35:23):
you only get two. So if you challenge seven times
and we're right every time, you'd still have two challenges
left right right, I don't need the human element. What
I need is I really don't what I need is
just get it right. Phil Couzy's a veteran empire. You
may have seen him.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
He's not quite Angel Hernandez, but he's been around for
every sixty nine years old. He's the oldest umpire major
League Baseball. And I don't think age means anything. By
the way, it doesn't matter how old jar. If you
can do it, you can do it well. On this
night the Phillies were playing. Let me tell you he
couldn't do it. He must have missed seven calls in
a row and.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
They were well. On College, Schwarber was horrible. Okay, you
saw that, Yes, I did. Are you kidding me? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I mean it was just bad, bad And I look
at umpire scorecard. You can find it on X. Those
guys do a great job. They grate all the umpires
after every game. I don't know how they do it,
but they somehow figure it out. And you even look
at the numbers, the ratings.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
These guys get it.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It's you know where it should be, ninety four percent,
ninety five percent. But you look at the pitches they missed,
and I mean they're wow, It's like, how could you
miss that?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
How could you miss that?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's like a foot outside strike what or right down
the middle ball? And nobody's saying their job is easy.
That's the thing you think.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, you're all over these guys. You hate them. I
don't hate them.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Their job isn't easy, that's hard, So why not make
it easier? Why not get it right? Well, you know,
the automated system will make me say, yeah, I know
there's it's problems with everything, but why not start using that,
I think in the spring. To use it next year?
Just use it every game, use it. Just use it
(37:04):
because it was only in what half the half the
stadiums in the spring. Yeah, and they all did, they
did the challenge system. Just use it next year. Done,
get to it. I mean, you're delaying the inevitable, so
you might as well just get started with it. Is bigger, better?
(37:27):
Simple question? Is it more the merrier? Simple question? Let's
figure it out.
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Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh singer Bill right with me? Come on, it's just
a lovely day. The late great Bill Withers, a good
friend of mine. Rest in peace, Bill, Happy Tuesday, Rodney, Pete,
(38:16):
Fred Rogan. Let's go all right. March Madness.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Really it creates the ultimate sense of urgency, aside from
a Game seven or the Super Bowl, because in March Madness,
you win, you're in, you lose, you're out.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Where would you rank March Madness in the epitome of
sports championships? Super Bowl, World Series, Game seven, NBA or
Game or World NBA Finals?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Where would you rank March Madness and all of that. Well,
I'll try this. What would I say is the most
fun to watch? March Madness?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
By far?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Every game means something. Every single game, there's no tomorrow.
We can't get them tomorrow. Hope we had a bad game,
but you know it's a best of five. No, it's not.
Every game, right, means something that's the most fun to watch.
I mean, the super Bowl is what it is.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
That's amazing and usually well yeah, and usually the two
best teams are usually playing in the super Bowl, and
usually the two best teams are playing in the World Series,
and Mark's madness. Sometimes you don't always necessarily get the
best team that's been the best team all season long.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Right, it's a giant tournament. Yeah, it's no different than
playing in an AAU tournament. If you think about it.
You sign up and you go, and a kid.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Can get hot, a kid can two kids can get
hot in a moment, and you're done.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
You're done.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
You might have back the game all year. Yeah, I
mean John Calipari took all that heat at Kentucky with
having all those teams, and you know, he had a
lot of one and done guys and not a freshman,
but took a lot of heat for only winning one
title there. But and the tournament, you run up against
a bussal team that gets hot, anybody can beat you.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, and that's why it seems odd that they would
want to expand the tournament.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Kicking around to make it bigger and better. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I'm always for more teams in, but seventy two
or seventy six teams, that's too many. All it is
is more money. I mean, that's it. There is more money,
more games, more money. Somebody's got to pay for those games.
But I mean that you're to a point of absurdity.
Why don't you just make it one hundred and call
(40:47):
it a day, make the tournament a month and a
half go because this is too many teams. Seventy six teams.
That's too many. Sure, it gives more people a chance,
and again it's a better chance to generate television revenue,
media revenue, but it loses some of the intensity an
(41:12):
urgency because if you're at sixty four, just the tournament.
Gotta tell you every game is critical. Yeah, and some teams,
even if they catch fire, are going to be awful
with this many teams. Come on, some of these teams
are gonna get blown out and you don't want to
(41:34):
see that. I mean, it gives the kids a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
When Jack was playing a Chapman, I wish they would
have had the Division three Tournament one hundred and fifty
teams every year because I wanted to go watch them.
They made it once, but it's too many. It's just
too many, which means it'll probably happen.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Don't you think when there's always an argument of who
didn't get in and who got in and all that
kind of stuff. Who I mean, I agree with you
if you if you move it to seventy two. There's
always going somebody's gonna be mad. You should have moved
it to eighty. It should have been ninety. This team
should have got in. It works the way it is.
(42:14):
I don't know why they messed with it, but.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know teams that don't get in, and they always
have a gripe every year. Yeah, you know who's left out.
Let me ask you something. If you were that good,
would you get left out? If you were that good,
would you get left out?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Could be? Could be though, could be if you're a
team that's twenty five and seven and you're a small
college versus two other schools that are twenty five or
twenty three and eight that are from the Big ten
and the SEC. Yeah, you can get knocked out. You're
not gonna get you're not gonna get voted in. None.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
They need to reconsider how they do that. If that happens,
that happens all the time. Yeah, well then go to
a bigger school. That what you tell Jack?
Speaker 3 (43:04):
That?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Would you have told Jack? Yeah, go to a bigger school, Jack,
you would have got in. You guys were thirty and
two and you didn't get in because Syracuse was twenty
five and nine, and they beat they got they got it.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
He got him though, so it was fine.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
He got it, so that was cool, right right, it
worked out for you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
It So just get in then it's somebody else's problem.
Open the phone lines later next hour. Jacob Israwski, the
guy from Milwaukee. It's five games, he's in the All
Star Game. What do you think about that? What should
(43:47):
be the crime terry to be an All Star? That'll
be coming up later next hour
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
five seventy LA sports Net. COLLETI will be jumping on
here in a couple of minutes. What are the great
moments of the All Star Game. I don't know when
it'll happen tonight, not exactly sure, but we'll certainly look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
They will be using the.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
ABS challenge system. Here we go, Here we go. They'll
be using the challenge system to look at you, Fred,
look at you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You hear the interview with the pictures. We'll talk to
net about this, but let's bring him off so we
can talk about it as well.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey, Ned, Hey guys, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ned COLLETTI?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Things are great. I'm sitting in London teaching for Pepperdine.
Went to Wimbledon semi finaled. I was actually gentlemen. I
was on the BBC Worldwide Radio Wow between between the
semi finals. Matta says, you guys are good, but you're
not five seventy am.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I gotta tell you that's benantastic man, and well you
should be on the BBC. I was in the Old Country, Matt,
I was. I was traveling around Italy and sicily man
it was thinking about you.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Oh oh that's the best. Ye my homeland, sicily, you
know it's I love it there. I've been there a
couple of times. Need to go back. But yeah that's grateful.
Oh good, good for you. Yeah man beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, hey need When you were on the BBC, were
those guys a little stuffy?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah? They were good. We talked about Savica that they
introduced a new thing that we got. We talked baseball,
we talked hockey, we talked a little bit of American
food and certainly tennis, of course, and they asked it,
you know, told me about a couple of recipes like
strawberries and cream and Wimbledon a big deal, right, And
they said, put a little pepper on it. And so
(01:46):
when I got one Floyer that that the Horines, the
Horine showed me himI and Hawaii savice with popcorn. What meg,
oh magnificent what? So I said, well, here's one Foya
and I dropped that on them, and so we were tired.
After after ten minutes, we were tied at one recipe
(02:06):
each VI with popcorn. It sounds kind of story, No no, no,
it's Haimi hereen Hore Horeen. I mean they you know,
they've hosted me over a few times and and they
bring that out. It's like, you know, you go, really
and then you have it and you go, oh my goodness,
where's the you know, how come the popcorn hasn't been
(02:26):
everywhere we've been anyway?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, all right, neat All Star Break when you were
in the chair, what did the All Star Break signify to.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You, Well, it was it was two different things. Early
on in my career, everybody showed up at all the
GMS showed up at it. You started your trade talks,
started to really dig into who was moving, who who
was serious. And it was blessed to have teams for
a long time that were always in the addition mode,
(02:57):
not the subtraction mode. And then people stop stop showing up.
It was, you know, the season is so long, the
grind is so severe that people stop going. They looked
at it as two or three days to kind of
take a breath, pick some calls, but really gear up.
As soon as the season really starts. At the end
of the week, everybody's going to be calling everybody to
see who's got who available. More teams are at there's
(03:19):
so many teams in it now because of the wild card,
and so you've got more teams that think they've got
a chance. But you know, you start really kind of
kind of focusing in on all the homework you've done
thus far. You've had your scouts out, you're having a
little people looking through different things. But it's gonna still
start for real when you get past has to break here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Man, you've been around a long time. You've seen the
different eras of the All Star Game and Home run
Derbys and things like that. Where do you think it
is now in terms of like the competitiveness A lot
of people complaining that the lack of stars and home
run Derby and then the same thing with the All
Star Game itself. Where do you rank where the All
Star our festivities are now?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, that's that's a great question. It's it's almost a
celebration of the game more than it's anything else. As
as you dissected, you know, and I work in hockey
and I love that sport, and you think about, you know,
the Four Nations tournament that went on this year and
really how it brought so many new fans of the
game because of the competitiveness of the Four countries involved
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and the whole thing. You know, baseball, it's more of
a celebration. You got the home run dervy. Some guys
don't want to participate. They think it's gonna mess up
this swing. They think, you know, they're in a good place.
So the guys don't worry about it and go out
to have a good derby and continue to have a
great year. It's kind of a mixed bag. And the
game itself too. I mean, you know, it's it's a
little competitive, but nobody is going out there to really
(04:47):
lay it all on the line, not too much at stake,
so it's kind of caught in the middle. I think,
you know, you should have it, I guess, to celebrate
the game. But again, it's not like it's ultra competitive.
It's a chance for for people to watch to watch
it and see different combinations of what teammates would look like,
and it's great for the city that hosts it. But
(05:09):
it's not necessarily going to be like the Four Nations tournament,
where people are playing for the pride of the country
and doing everything they can to do it. The futures game,
to me, is almost more interesting because you've got young
players trying to make an impression in front of everybody,
and they've been playing in triple AAA, maybe single A.
(05:30):
But that to me has almost gotten more intrigued to
it than homerun Derby, which is cool for the fans
and cool for a few players in the All starch
and the future game to me has got more to
it from a scouting standpoint or from a learning about
a player that you don't have in your organization than
either of the other two events. On net.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's talk about Jacob Miserowski. He's the Brewers' pitcher. He
pitched five games, five games, and he would selected as
a reserve of the All Star Game. Some people are
saying that's insane, the guys only pitched five games in
Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, that it is, it is a bit quick, you know,
I mean, there's a lot of you know, if anyway
he's pitched well, but again, five games, it's really not
that big of a sample size. Obvious, that's an obvious statement.
But again, you know, I know that I don't know
all detail, and I don't know if there were other
(06:29):
pitchers asked before he was asked that said, now you
know I'm pitching on Saturday. I'm pitching on Sunday. I
don't want to do it. I don't want to go.
You know, don't count on me, you know. So you know,
I don't know if there was a short line, a
short list, a long list, no list, or whatever, but
it's very unique that somebody would have this opportunity and
(06:52):
to really kind of showcase their skills in front of
a national audience in a sol out of Atlanta Stadium,
to do it it is is I don't know that
anybody's ever made the All Star team with less of
a sample size. Has it been good? Yeah, we just
saw it not too long ago, but it's it is
a very short sample side. But see, I don't know
(07:13):
who else was asked if there was four or five
they were asked. I kept saying, knowing, I said, well,
let's ask this guy. He's made you know limits it starts,
but you can't doubt that the production for the at
least a five has been you know, pretty special. Again,
you know, as my good friend Vance Lovelace would say,
you know, it's not a baseball week, it's not a
baseball month, it's a baseball season. And five games does
(07:34):
not make a baseball season.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Uh. Could it be because we talked about this a
little bit earlier that that baseball kind of lagged behind
the NFL and and the NBA in terms of celebrating
its individual stars, right and and and really embracing the
social media and the individuality of guys. Could this be
a result of that, is that baseball is starting to
(07:59):
get it because you are seeing guys with more personality,
They're promoting guys individually and and and this might be
you know, a situation where this is a young and upcoming,
you know, phenom that we want to showcase and promote
the sport through our individual players.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think that that could certainly be be part of
the thought process. And I haven't seen it for a while,
but there's there're surveys that go out, you know, what
athlete is the most prominent, you know, off the field
in any sport and has the most revenue coming in
not related to the game play being played, but there
their status as an athlete and is rarely a baseball player,
(08:39):
and obviously show he has changed all that. But once
you get past shoe, you know who else is it?
And so you know you've got stars from other sports.
You know, as I say, you know, I teach at
a great university, and when I bring up players from
ten years ago in MLB, they kind of look at
me like who you talk about? And you know, they
could name the roster of the Liverpool le f C,
(09:00):
but they can't really tell me. You know, give me,
give me the ten greatest players in baseball in the
last twenty years. That you get blank blank look sometimes.
So the game needs to do that. And if this
is an indication that they that they want to start
to promote their young players and there they're young stars
to get more people interested, then you know, hey, then
(09:20):
that that makes that makes some sense. But if you
if you ever look at that list and you take
showhy off the list of of what athletes NFL, NBA,
epl uh, you know, the Italian League, the Spanish league.
You take a look at those lists and you're not
going to find a whole ton of MLB players on it,
which is kind of indicative of what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And a Tanner Scott struggled again as we close the
first half of the season, and at what point, I mean,
they're paying them a lot of money and he's got
one job, and that job is to go out, shut
it down and close it out. And he's not had
a great year, he really has it. At what point
do you say, well, not we made a mistake, but
maybe we got to put him in a different kind
(10:04):
of role or position here because we can't as we
begin the second half let him blow games.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, the organization, in my opinion, always has the long view,
And you know they've gone through a thirty day stretch
a couple of weeks ago. It ended up playing really
good teams and came out a little bit over five hundred.
They played all this time with really almost an entire
pitching staff on the il, and he still got a
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five and a half game lead. So you know they're
playing with houses money a bit. So you'd rather give
him more opportunity, more time to figure it out, and
just say, okay, you know we're going to have you
pitch six or seventh matchups and try and get you
back on track. Well, that happened, Sure it'll happen if
it continues. But I as I watch, and you know,
(10:53):
I don't have any insight into meetings or thought process,
But as you watch it, you know they played the
long game. If they were fine five and a half back,
I think you'd see a chain. But they're five and
a half bump and they're you know, and they're starting
to get some starting pitching back. So I think it's
it's all a day to day type of thought process.
But they're gonna be patient with guys. That's what they do.
(11:14):
And you can look back at a lot of their
young players that struggled early and they stayed with them
and they ended up being being great young players. And
so they play the long game. So it's tough for
fans sometimes, you know, to to watch it and go,
why do they keep doing this? Why do they keep
doing that? Well, they've got a long game plan and
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they're in no hurry to upset anybody if the effort's
pure and the results just start there. So I think, yeah,
you might see that in time, but I don't think
you're going to see it anytime soon unless they've really
come to that juncture, that crossroads and their decision making
that hey, you know what, we've got to try something new,
put somebody else at the end of the game and
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let him get on tray. You know, when it's not
the last three outs of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah. That being said that, the other day or yesterday,
we asked the callers to give the Dodgers a grade
through the first half. Fred give them an A because
of what you just said, with all the injuries, with
all the things going on, there's still five and a
half games up. Where do you rank them? What grade
would you give them at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, it's typically an A plus, but I'd say a A.
I mean, they are five and a half up. How
many teams could lose as much starting pitching, bullpen and
the entire thing. When you think of the money on
the IL, when you think of the talent on the
I l if you just explained it and took the
names off and said, okay, so there's a team that
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spent a lot of money on different things here and
their players, and they've had this many people on the IL,
whether it's starters, relievers, position players. Who do you think
they'd be at the All Star But nobody would ever
say five and a half up? So you know, it's
a testimony to how they go about it, the long
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view and the depth that they've created by adding people
and trying to fortify themselves against this situation. And we
went through it last and we've gone through it a
couple of years where there's a lot of guys that
are hurt, especially the pitchers, but yet they you know,
they fortified it, but they still have the issue. But
it's tough to give anybody less than that type of
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grade when they've had so many injuries and they're five
and a half up, and you know they're the only
team in the division over five hundred on the road.
There's certain landmarks you've got to have, I believe, as
a team to be successful. One is how you play
inside your own division. You've got to be superior than
the other four teams. You've got to get over five hundred,
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and then not just five over, seven over, but ten,
fifteen over, and then build off of that, and you've
got to be able to win on the road. I
don't think there's another team in the West that's over
five hundred on the road. So add it all up, Yeah,
we wish would be an A plus or A maybe
is too strong grade to some of the listeners who
you guys, But you know, how do you argue with
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where they're at? I mean, it's tough to argue with
where they're at.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yesterday exactly what I said. I gave him an a.
Given what they've been through, what do you expect? It's
remarkable they're there.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh yeah, no doubt. I mean it says a lot
about Dave robertson the coaching staff, the players, the pursuit,
the intestinal fortitude that they've got and whenever, and when
you look at how they played the Giants, and you
look at how they played the Pods, two teams that
are trying to trying to challenge them, they can't. They
haven't been able to do it. Look at San Francisco
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on Sunday, two runs in the ninth, the crowd's going wild.
They tie the game of of of Scott and what
happens two whinnies later, they're going home. They got beat
five to two. It's over and over again. It's it's
it's inconsistency.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, and that I mean, seriously, you know we say
this's like a broken record for the last three or
four years. You said it just now. The job Dave
Roberts does with all of this, the good, the good
and the bad, and through the ups and downs in
tough times and managing the injuries and all that kind
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of stuff, does not get the credit that he deserves.
I mean, everybody thinks, oh, he's managing the Doctors, an
easy job. It's not an easy job.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh no, oh no, what what is the expectation every year?
Win the World Series? It's not make the playoffs, it's
not win ninety games, no, it's is you know what,
win a division and win the World serious? I mean
there's no there's no margin of error. What he has
done is Hall of Fame caliber. And you know, I
watch managers all the time. I've lost them for decades,
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and how he handles games, and how he handles the
personalities and the egos, and you know, Doctor is a
great group and they love each other and listen that,
but they all want to play. You only got so
many effets and so many innings. But the way he
handles the the people inside the uniform, it's remarkable. And
people complain. You know, there's always the manager's fault when
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the team loses a game, you know, and it's always
the player's credit when the team wins the game. You know,
the managers only on one side he can fall on,
which is what's he doing? You know? But I think
I think he's done for rep terrific. You know, the
team gets the team. The players get the praise when
they win, and the manager and sometimes the GM get
the get the daggers when when they get beat even
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though the players are on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Now, COLLETTI with us now, don't want to flash forward
a little bit, because you have been in the chair
when these things have gone on. And that is the
contract with the players have with baseball. After next season
will be up and there's talk now of a possible
work stoppage. I think that is a real possibility. I
think that the owners wanted a salary cap. The players
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will never give what happens here and ned ultimately.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well, I'm not sure what the end result is, but
I agree with you that there's always, as they say,
saber rattling a year out. This is this is going
to be a battle, and it typically has been almost
without battle for a long time. A couple of years
ago you had a little bit of a of a
hiccup before the season started, but everything worked its way out.
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You got to go back I think ninety four ninety
five where you know you had lost the World Series
and at the end of the ninety four ninety five
starter late. But I think there's there's going to be
on one side, hey we want some change, and on
the other side, hey, we're doing great, we don't need
any change. And one of the things, and again this
(17:43):
is just an opinion. The toughest not the toughest battle,
but next to the toughest battle, which is one side
against the other, is getting everybody on one side to
agree to what they want. Because when you look at
the when you look at baseball teams, you have a
vast array of success, revenue, lack of revenue, lack of success.
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I mean it's vast. I mean, look at look at
the Dodgers, look at the Yankees, a few other teams,
and then and look at a handful of teams that
are sitting at the bottom, that don't have the attendance,
don't have the TV revenue, don't have any of that.
Those meetings I think are probably as as as heated
(18:30):
or as passionate I should say, rather than heated, but
as passionate as the meetings between the players Association and
the ownership. I think that's that's tough. When you're gonna
have thirty different groups come together with one idea in
mind that they can all agree upon is look at
the disparity in it. The World Series was lost in
(18:52):
ninety four because there was no revenue sharing, I think,
and no luxury text and so it took the World
Series to to be canceled. Then it took until late
April for the ninety five season to begin because of
those types of issues, and they settled on on doing
something in that bag. But it's it's not close now.
I mean, you had a team last year that lost
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more games than any team in the history of the sport, okay,
and you got a team this year in the other
league that's challenging that record. I mean, is that parody?
Is that? You know? Is that the way you love
it to be? Of course not, I don't think anybody
likes it. But to get everybody on one page, whether
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it's a group of thirty owners or whether it's a
group of eight hundred players, sometimes that's the toughest place
to be. But I don't know that this. You know,
Tony Clark, I read some of his stuff today, the
union president, former player, you know, I don't you know?
He is vehemently opposed to a salary cap, vehemently, And
I think the players will stand on that, good or bad.
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I think they'll stand on that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
But the players want a floria though, But the players
want a floor as well, so they can't have it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Both play right, they do, but they do and they
don't because because Tony Clark. I think, I think Tony
has and I don't want to be I'm not quoting.
I'm not just trying to recollect, but I think when
people have talked about the floor, he says, you can't
have a floor without a cap, and we're not having
a cap. Would players like their team to yeat to
compete that You got teams paying a luxury tax that
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exceeds maybe some team's payrolls. When you think of that,
it's like, you know, how how does this work? How
is this good? But you know, I don't you know.
You would like teams to compete. You would like teams
to be able to spend, especially when they're getting revenue
sharing money, which came up a handful of years ago
where there's a couple of teams that weren't even spending
on payroll what they were getting out of the luxury tax.
(20:50):
You know you can't be doing that. But again, the
disparity continues to grow and discredit for what they've done.
But you know other teams could have done it, they
choose not to, right.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, you're over there in Europe, right, and you're
you're dealing with You got the Premier League, you got
the Hispanish Italian, all all those leagues, Champions League, all
those things. Is it going to come to a situation
where if you can't compete with the Dodgers, the Yankees,
the Phillies, you better sell the team because we're not. Well,
(21:30):
now you're speaking friends, Now you're thinking. Now you're speaking
Fred's language.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Right, That's how I look at.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
How would that be if big owners would be paying
bigger money. You know, they make it a hundred million
of franchise in the e PL for being in that
Baker that would say so much.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But but you know you mentioned I mean like Tampa
Bay and Pittsburgh and those those cities. Those owners you
better have deep pockets if you're gonna own one of
these teams.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Exactly and be willing to compete like Mark Walter, Todd, Bowley,
Sandcass and Magic all those guys. You gotta have that
that appetite to compete. I don't I don't know any
cysis on your show before. I don't know any ownership
with the appetite, appetite to win, to do it. You know,
I GM for three years with with that group and
then the TV, which obviously wasn't in their meetings and
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stuff like that. Nobody ever told me, you know what,
that's too much money. They will always say can he
help us win? Can the player help us win?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And say yeah, and they go do it. I mean,
who else is doing it? Is hardly anybody else doing it.
Maybe George Steinbrenner back in the day, but but you
know that that's not prevalent. You're going down to Triple
A because you lost one hundred and twenty plus games.
Guess what you know you're gonna be. You're gonna be
playing a differ could type a game if that's if
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that's the penalty to it. But that'll that'll never happen either,
see Nett.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And years ago, many years ago, you know, families owned
franchises and it was a symbol of status. Uh, it
was something for the community. But now you've got people
with billions of dollars from businesses and all sorts of
businesses and they buy in and they want to win.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You don't spend two.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Billion dollars as once we find out too. Mark Walter
was like two cents but two billion dollars to buy
the Dodgers and now win, or Steve Walmer with the
Clippers and not try to win. You just don't do it.
And what you have is a guy like Mark Walter
here in our market spending two billion and going forward,
and Artie Moreno living on a shoe string. Or let's
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go back to when Frank McCord owned the Dodgers. He
wasn't liquid, there was no money. He exhausted everything just
to buy the team.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Those guys, those people can own teams anymore, ned because
it just doesn't work that way anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That makes great sense? I think that we're I mean,
this is like watching the San Andreas fault, you know.
I mean, it's gonna take years to change this. But
like as I read today, Tampa Bay, which the owner
paid I think two hundred million for YEP, is selling
for one point seven billion. Okay, So if you're you know,
to your point, if you're paying one point seven billion,
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are you are you gonna have a payroll that's at
the bottom of the league and hope your player development
and your scouting can you know, can get you to
the playoffs once in a while. Noah, I mean, it's
impossible to spend that money and have that approach. But
you still have ownership that has been in place who
didn't pay two billion dollars, didn't pay one seven, didn't
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pay three billion. You still have owners that paid the
two hundred million, you know, in some cases one hundred million,
and so they're looking at, you know, one hundred million
to two billion. Hey, Hellely, I'll just sit on this.
I'll just keep watching the thing go up. I'll put
them up for sale. I'll pull back.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well well ned on that point, though, how do you Conversely,
You've got guys that did that in the NFL that
are still winning. Jeffrey Loriie paid less than two hundred
million dollars for the Eagles, Jerry Jones paid less than
two hundred million dollars for the Cowboys, and yet they're
(25:38):
still doing it. Is it a difference of the way
the leagues are operated as opposed to now, you can't
survive if you're not that billionaire coming in because you're
saying those guys, those families that bought into baseball that
are running baseball, and you've got a number of them
that are still there can't compete any more. Yet the
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ones that started in the NFL are thriving. Is it
because of the different models?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I think they're and I and I am not an
expert in the I'm not an expert in the baseball
collective bargaining, although I know it, I'm far from anything
of a knowledgeable source on the NFL. All I know
is that, you know, they had their version of replacement
players decades ago, and I don't know that anything that
(26:30):
they've ever had any stop and since nothing I can
think of all the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Even believe it was yeah, eighty seventy cent, Yeah eighty seven,
I think, I mean, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
May have been when they you know, try you know,
the other players for two or three games. But they're
they're very well, they're very well organized, and it's almost
you know, baseball is a little bit of a different sport,
how it's collectively bargained, how all those rules take place,
how you have revenue sharing. About this for a minute,
(27:01):
if you had a major League Baseball team in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
How would that go? I mean, it wouldn't even exist
right right, But yet it's one of the proud franchises
of the league because of revenue sharing and because of
splitting TV money and keeping everything equal and not really
they have a cap, but they either you can you
can get around it a little bit. Again, I'm not
(27:22):
I'm not the expert in it. I know I know
the NHL cap a little bit, but it's it's the
way they put it together. And when they came out
of that that that issue in nineteen eighty seven, they
they fortified the group of ownership. They fortified it. They
made the players come back probably with less than they
had had left with, and they made it different. And
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the players still get paid well in the players but
you know, I don't even you would notice better than irony.
But I don't you know the guaranteed contract in the
NFL doesn't exist or is it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Just signing it? Yeah, it doesn't exact. Think about the
different it's different. Yeah, Baseball players got it much better.
The players got it much better in the other sports
than the NFL. The owners are the ones that make
it out.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
No doubt. And so that it's it's a totally different
different look at it in a different set of rules
and a different set of expectations, completely different. And you know,
baseball is the only sport I think is in North
America major sport without some type of camp and I
doubt that I'll live long enough to ever see one.
You may see different revenue sharing models, and you may
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see more penalty and tougher penalties and try and keep
people from from spending you know, far more than anybody else.
But I don't know that I'll ever live to see
the day when there's a salary cap and baseball like
there is in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
All right, that great stuff, And enjoy London. You got
fish over there or.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
No, you know what it's on my list, No doubt
I went to the last time on your recommendation. It's
it's excellent. I can't get in there. Sometimes I've looked
a couple of times now now you know, I'll come
back next week. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
That is that is that is one of one hundred
and fifty thousand that Fred got right that that you
went to that restaurant and it work.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It was good. It was a spurt, the moment thing.
He was right up, he was right on, including the
little the little fish man. You know whatever that is
placeholder that you put in your pocket when you walk out.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Steal the steal the fish. That's how it works.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Oh my god, that's gentlemen. Take care of it. Love
being on. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh my god. Is he not the best in the
whole wide world. Oh he's the greatest. And he could
tell you know what. You could sit and have him
on for three hours under the run and tell stories
and you just you be glued, right, yeah, you never
stop stop listening. Okay, well now they've got it right.
It's about time we'll discuss that.
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Speaker 1 (30:27):
Fred Rug and Rodney Peat five seventy l A Sports.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Sorry, yes, Freddy, come on, let's go. So this is love,
some love some Ned Colletti though, give it up again
for Ned Colletti. He is absolute the best. This is it.
Are you ready? Are you ready? Preddy? I know you're happy, man,
I'm gonna give your moment real quick. I'm gonna i'mnna
step aside. I'm gonna give you your moment because you've
(30:56):
been You've been lobbying for this for obviously, I think
maybe as long as I've been on the air with you, you've
been lobbying for this, But at least for the last
five years you have. And here we go, So go
go Fred.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
All right, So in the All Star Game tonight, everybody
will have an opportunity to see what the ABS system
looks like. Apparently each team will get two challenges and
retains its challenge if it's successful. So what is this
automatic ball strikes? It's computerized, it's the robo umpire and
(31:34):
it's happening tonight. Now they're not calling the game, but
you will get to use the challenge system as they
did in the spring. And in the spring, as Rodney said,
when this first came out, and I still laugh about it,
how would they indicate it? You would just go challenge. No,
that's not how it is. You just don't scream out challenge.
(31:55):
You tip the top of your helmet, and it's got
to be basically immediate and the only right only the
picture and the catcher can do it, right, or is
it only the catcher, well, the hitter or the hitter.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
That only the pitcher or the hitter. The player is
on the picture of coaching. Can't be the catcher.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't thought it was the cat I'll double check
on that.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well, here's the thing, because I saw the interviews yesterday
with faul Skeins and Trek Scouble and they both said,
we're going to leave it up to the catcher to
make that decision whether the challenge the checking. Both of
them said that I don't want to challenge. I'm going
to leave it up to the catcher because I think
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everything is a strike. Both of them said that you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Are correct, Rodney, pitcher, catcher, batter.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Those are the three people that can call the challenge
on the field. But the thing is you got to
do it right away. It has to be immediate.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yes, yeah, you can't wait like thirty seconds, fifteen seconds
and somebody goes, hey, challenge that.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Challenge, so the team can look at the video and
go that's balld'll get challenge. No, you can't do no,
you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But this is the beginning of it, and we know
that the players really don't love the idea. They really
don't love the idea of the automatic strike zone. They
don't like it because a if.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The players don't like it, Fred, why do you like it?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Because I know best, because I know what's best for
the players, because somebody has to take a stand and
tell them this is what's best for you.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Also, it's best for the game.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's best for the game, that's why, because the game
is about having people watch and be engaged in the game.
Why do you think they sped it up? Why do
you think they made the bases bigger? At first it
seemed like a pain in the button, stupid. It worked
because they're trying to grow their brand every single day,
as every sport is, as every business is, and this
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is best for the game. I can't say. I can't
say it enough. Everybody sick of me saying it. People
watching at home cannot know more than the people playing
the game. It does not work in our These are
events made for media, television, streaming, whatever device, and people
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want more and more data and more and more information
now than ever before, especially when you can bet they want.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Me ask you this information on that as we go
forward with this, because you want this implemented regularly, right, Yeah,
this whole system, so you eliminate the ball and strikes
from the umpire. You think that's better than having what
we're going to have tonight in the All Star Game,
where you get challenges like you have. The system is
(34:40):
in place, and if you want to use it, you
can use it. You get so many challenges as opposed
to it calling every single pitch. You think that's better
because I think the challenges and when you use the
challenges actually makes it palable for me because it still
keeps the the human element of when am I going
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to challenge this? Am I going to challenge a ball
and strike in the first inning? Or am I going
to challenge it in the eighth or ninth inning. I'm
going to save these challenges that I have and be
strategic about it. But you want it all the time
I do. Their system is challenge. If you're right, you
retain your challenge. If you're wrong, you lose it, and
(35:23):
you only get two. So if you challenge seven times
and we're right every time, you'd still have two challenges
left right right, I don't need the human element. What
I need is I really don't what I need is
just get it right. Phil Couzy's a veteran empire. You
may have seen him.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
He's not quite Angel Hernandez, but he's been around for
every sixty nine years old. He's the oldest umpire major
League Baseball. And I don't think age means anything. By
the way, it doesn't matter how old jar. If you
can do it, you can do it well. On this
night the Phillies were playing. Let me tell you he
couldn't do it. He must have missed seven calls in
a row and.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
They were well. On College, Schwarber was horrible. Okay, you
saw that, Yes, I did. Are you kidding me? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I mean it was just bad, bad And I look
at umpire scorecard. You can find it on X. Those
guys do a great job. They grate all the umpires
after every game. I don't know how they do it,
but they somehow figure it out. And you even look
at the numbers, the ratings.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
These guys get it.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It's you know where it should be, ninety four percent,
ninety five percent. But you look at the pitches they missed,
and I mean they're wow, It's like, how could you
miss that?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
How could you miss that?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's like a foot outside strike what or right down
the middle ball? And nobody's saying their job is easy.
That's the thing you think.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, you're all over these guys. You hate them. I
don't hate them.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Their job isn't easy, that's hard, So why not make
it easier? Why not get it right? Well, you know,
the automated system will make me say, yeah, I know
there's it's problems with everything, but why not start using that,
I think in the spring. To use it next year?
Just use it every game, use it. Just use it
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because it was only in what half the half the
stadiums in the spring. Yeah, and they all did, they
did the challenge system. Just use it next year. Done,
get to it. I mean, you're delaying the inevitable, so
you might as well just get started with it. Is bigger, better?
(37:27):
Simple question? Is it more the merrier? Simple question? Let's
figure it out.
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Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh singer Bill right with me? Come on, it's just
a lovely day. The late great Bill Withers, a good
friend of mine. Rest in peace, Bill, Happy Tuesday, Rodney, Pete,
(38:16):
Fred Rogan. Let's go all right. March Madness.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Really it creates the ultimate sense of urgency, aside from
a Game seven or the Super Bowl, because in March Madness,
you win, you're in, you lose, you're out.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Where would you rank March Madness in the epitome of
sports championships? Super Bowl, World Series, Game seven, NBA or
Game or World NBA Finals?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Where would you rank March Madness and all of that. Well,
I'll try this. What would I say is the most
fun to watch? March Madness?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
By far?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Every game means something. Every single game, there's no tomorrow.
We can't get them tomorrow. Hope we had a bad game,
but you know it's a best of five. No, it's not.
Every game, right, means something that's the most fun to watch.
I mean, the super Bowl is what it is.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
That's amazing and usually well yeah, and usually the two
best teams are usually playing in the super Bowl, and
usually the two best teams are playing in the World Series,
and Mark's madness. Sometimes you don't always necessarily get the
best team that's been the best team all season long.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Right, it's a giant tournament. Yeah, it's no different than
playing in an AAU tournament. If you think about it.
You sign up and you go, and a kid.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Can get hot, a kid can two kids can get
hot in a moment, and you're done.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
You're done.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
You might have back the game all year. Yeah, I
mean John Calipari took all that heat at Kentucky with
having all those teams, and you know, he had a
lot of one and done guys and not a freshman,
but took a lot of heat for only winning one
title there. But and the tournament, you run up against
a bussal team that gets hot, anybody can beat you.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, and that's why it seems odd that they would
want to expand the tournament.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Kicking around to make it bigger and better. Right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, I'm always for more teams in, but seventy two
or seventy six teams, that's too many. All it is
is more money. I mean, that's it. There is more money,
more games, more money. Somebody's got to pay for those games.
But I mean that you're to a point of absurdity.
Why don't you just make it one hundred and call
(40:47):
it a day, make the tournament a month and a
half go because this is too many teams. Seventy six teams.
That's too many. Sure, it gives more people a chance,
and again it's a better chance to generate television revenue,
media revenue, but it loses some of the intensity an
(41:12):
urgency because if you're at sixty four, just the tournament.
Gotta tell you every game is critical. Yeah, and some teams,
even if they catch fire, are going to be awful
with this many teams. Come on, some of these teams
are gonna get blown out and you don't want to
(41:34):
see that. I mean, it gives the kids a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
When Jack was playing a Chapman, I wish they would
have had the Division three Tournament one hundred and fifty
teams every year because I wanted to go watch them.
They made it once, but it's too many. It's just
too many, which means it'll probably happen.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Don't you think when there's always an argument of who
didn't get in and who got in and all that
kind of stuff. Who I mean, I agree with you
if you if you move it to seventy two. There's
always going somebody's gonna be mad. You should have moved
it to eighty. It should have been ninety. This team
should have got in. It works the way it is.
(42:14):
I don't know why they messed with it, but.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know teams that don't get in, and they always
have a gripe every year. Yeah, you know who's left out.
Let me ask you something. If you were that good,
would you get left out? If you were that good,
would you get left out?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Could be? Could be though, could be if you're a
team that's twenty five and seven and you're a small
college versus two other schools that are twenty five or
twenty three and eight that are from the Big ten
and the SEC. Yeah, you can get knocked out. You're
not gonna get you're not gonna get voted in. None.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
They need to reconsider how they do that. If that happens,
that happens all the time. Yeah, well then go to
a bigger school. That what you tell Jack?
Speaker 3 (43:04):
That?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Would you have told Jack? Yeah, go to a bigger school, Jack,
you would have got in. You guys were thirty and
two and you didn't get in because Syracuse was twenty
five and nine, and they beat they got they got it.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
He got him though, so it was fine.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
He got it, so that was cool, right right, it
worked out for you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
It So just get in then it's somebody else's problem.
Open the phone lines later next hour. Jacob Israwski, the
guy from Milwaukee. It's five games, he's in the All
Star Game. What do you think about that? What should
(43:47):
be the crime terry to be an All Star? That'll
be coming up later next hour
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