July 15, 2025 • 42 mins
We discuss MLBs tv rights deal with ESPN and the changing landscape in media/streaming rights. Is the All Star game a reward for players having a good 1st half or is it a showcase for talented players who fans want (or should want) to watch?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports All Star Game tonight, All
Star Game tonight, and later this hour we'll give you
a little warm up here. We're gonna open the phone
lines the story of the Milwaukee pitcher Jacob Miseerowski. He
has pitched five games in baseball. He's exciting to watch
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and maybe he's going to be really good. For five games,
he's been great. Five games does not a career make
and probably does not qualify you to be an All
Star if we're to be really probably a bit of
a stretch, which caused the number of players in the
league to be very upset. Philadelphia Phillies called it a joke.
(00:45):
It doesn't really qualify to be an All Star. So
the question becomes, and we'll talk about this later, who
should be an All Star? Should a guy that pitches
in five games being the All Star Team? Can you
imagine that'd be like a hitter with five batch. Well,
this guy's been up to bat five times, he hit
five home runs, he's in the All Star Game. Yeah,
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it's kind of like, maybe not enough of us of
sample size here to put you in. But we're going
to talk about that coming up later on in the hour.
Will give you a chance to weigh in, because I'd
like to hear what you think. Okay, So home Run
Derby last night. Don't know if you watched it or not.
By the way, you know, that's ESPN's home Run Derby finale.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh that's the last one. That's the last round.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Really they opted out of their deal, so after this season,
ESPN is out of baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
There was a report, I think it was two weeks
ago that MLB and ESPN have renewed discussions on a deal.
So I don't know if Major League Baseball is not
getting what they thought they would get from Amazon and
whoever else, but the door has not necessarily been closed
to them reupping.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That is the first time I can remember, by the way,
that a major media organization at that level has tapped
out and said not worth it. I think they pay
five hundred and fifty million a year for.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Major League Baseball, Yeah, yeah, and they got what they have.
They Sunday Night Baseball they have, right, Yeah, and they
get some playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
The national radio rights for the postseason, and some regular
season games. That's all tied into that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
The home run derby game, right, a hunt run derby?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Wow Yeah, and they said, no, we're out, it's too much.
I can't remember the last time that's happened. Are did
you imagine at the right time though, because baseball has
made a resurgence. Yeah, you would think that. Oh maybe
maybe that's why they're back at the table. Well or
is Kevin Sigard?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, that the Amazons the of the world are not
ponying up like they thought they would. Yeah, you know,
you get it for what would they get it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Two years?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, because the contract's up in twenty eight So for
two years, it'll cost you a billion bucks just call
it five hundred million a year. That's what he has
in was paying. No, so maybe they went back to
ESPN and said, okay, what will you pay? This is bad,
this is bad for baseball. Wait, they did this before
they had to deal with the other.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, they opted out, but maybe they basically didn't have
a deal for next year going going forward. No, no, no, no,
they're looking for a partner. They still have Fox and Turner.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I got that, but they don't have with THEP
so that package is available. I mean, could you imagine
NBC call in the NFL and saying we're out. We're
going to opt out. By the way, that means you'll
never get back in again. Oh no, they would never
do that. But see here's what baseball is doing, and uh,
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they're gonna leave the world in this Now. It's going
to be different for the Dodgers. Maybe not for the Angels,
but for the Dodgers it will be because the Dodgers
have their own TV streaming network and they're part owners
of this radio station, so they have a best at interest.
They're owners of both. But the majority of teams in
baseball do not own their own regional sports network. They
(04:08):
don't own them. These networks pay them a rights fee.
That's what Bally's does with the Angels and the Kings
and the Ducks. They pay the organizations a fee for
the right to carry.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Fred is a Frednamidia? Why going forward with not every Well,
I get not every team because if you're Pittsburgh and
Cincinnati you can't do it. Miami you can't do it.
If you it's somewhat of a big market and you're
doing well, why wouldn't you have your own Why wouldn't
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you have your own network?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Here's why, because they're basically dying because cable is dying
because those are.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Streaming though streaming though, why wouldn't you have your own streaming.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Now that's a different conversation, and that's what baseball is
going to do. Yeah, that's a very different conversation, right.
You see in these regional sports deals, for example, the
Dodgers as owners of sports at LA, they get a
huge gig get it rights fee every year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So do the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way, New York Cobs get THEIRS from THEIRS.
They own THEIRS. If you Red Sox have a piece
of THEIRS, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And the Mets are the other team that does.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And the Mets have it okay, So these teams make
a lot of money from a regional sports network which
is carried on cable. But as people have stopped watching
linear television. As a matter of fact, I saw fewer
than twenty percent of the country watched broadcast TV last week.
(05:45):
Here than twenty percent. That's scary. And one of the
reasons is they don't have cable anymore. They don't want
to pay for it. So if you don't have cable.
You don't have as many people using cable, so the
cable companies can't pay the teams as much for rights
fees because they're just aren't people using table. So what
is Baseball gonna do. They're starting their own streaming service.
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That's what they're going to do. That's the ultimate plan.
That's good for most, bad for some. Who's it good for?
It's good for everybody that doesn't have a big regional
sports deal.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, don't they bad for MLB TV, right, that's what
they're streaming is or not? Well, they're connected with the
eighth market, but they're gonna they are going to produce
the Dodgers. You can't get it in this market. You
gotta you gotta be spectrum.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So the new plan, in Baseball's giant plan, there'd be
no blackouts none A. They don't exist. You buy the
MLB package, you get everything, you got it all. You
got Dodgers in LA, you got Dodgers in Cincinnati, you
got the Reds. And saying are the Dodgers and the
Phillies and the Yankees are they all balking at that?
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And that's and there's the hang up. Like I said,
it's good for a lot of teams, but not for
all the teams that have their own regional sports networks
that make an enormous amount of money. That's not good
for them because they're going to make less. What Baseball
would do is everybody that subscribed, subscribes to MLB network,
you pay right that goes into a giant pot. We
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just split the pot up so everybody gets the same right.
That's Baseball's That's That's kind of what ned was alluding
to with the NFL and how they collectively bargain and
support everything from the TV contracts and everything else. Is
that you can survive in Green Bay because Green Bay
gets the same as Dallas does, and New York and
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LA and all of those things. Whereas this model would
allow for Cincinnati and Pittsburgh to start to compete with
not necessarily because of the ownership, but from a TV
type of revenue standpoint, with the Dodgers and the Yankees
and everybody else, because they would here the same revenue exactly,
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which would mean they'd probably make more. The Dodgers, Yankees,
Cubs would make less. Yeah, right, So if you own
the Dodgers, Yankees, or Cubs or Mats, you don't like.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That very much.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
No, I'm gonna make less so you can make more.
Wasn't wasn't the the Atlanta Braids with Ted Turner the
first to really make that big deal like that where
they had their own Yes, yeah, America superstation, Yeah, superstation.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, Atlanta Braids. You can see him everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
M He was far ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The other guy that was really ahead of the curve
was Jerry Buss. Mm hmm, Jerry Buss Prime Ticket on TV. Yeah,
it was called on TV on TV.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He created that revenue stream, so he was ahead of
the curve. Ted Turner was ahead of the curve. And
now what Baseball will do is create a master model
where everything is streamed. Okay, So when that's the case,
back to the ESPN situation, what happens to ESPN? So
(09:12):
Baseball looks at it like this, you better buy, you
better pay us what we want because if we take
this away from you, now, what are you gonna do.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You're never gonna get it back.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
What are you gonna do? You got nothing?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And ESPN is probably saying, Okay, we're paying too much,
we're not making money, and If that's the case, baseball
needs to secure this package somehow to get through the
next year.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But for ESPN and where baseball feels like it's heading,
You've got an exclusive on Sunday Night, right, and that's
not enough for you. That's that's not making you money,
right because it's even if you have streaming, you got
to watch ESPN to watch Sunday Night Baseball whoever's playing correct,
So that until that is not that is not enough
(10:01):
money for you to re up the package with Major
League Baseball. Given the upward trajectory of baseball nowadays, in
the popularity of baseball where it is is that shortsighted
by ESPN or you think that they are planned by
the books, and just like, okay, we can't afford it.
There's only so much money to spend, period, So how
(10:22):
are you going to spend it?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
One hundred years ago, when NBC had the old NBA package,
when we had the games on Channel four, the Kobe
Shakira or the Magic Times and we do the postgame shows.
Those were great times and NBC did a magnificent job
of the NBA. And then all of a sudden, the
rights fees were up and the negotiation started and we're
(10:44):
all sitting there thinking we're going to hold on to
the NBA, and at the end of the day, we
lost it. We lost it to Turner. That's when Turner
came in, right, we lost the NBA. And I said
to the president of NBC Sports, not the executive producer,
but the president, Kenny Shanser, I worked on projects with him.
I said, how the hell did that happen? What does
(11:04):
that do? Oh my god, how could we lose the NBA?
This is terrible. He said, all right, well, look at
it like this. The NBA basically did a two point
five rating nationally. Nationally, I said, okay, So he said
that meant ninety seven point five percent of televisions in
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the country was not watching the NBA. I said, well,
if you do the math. He goes, well, if you
do the math, that's how advertisers buy. So the money
we would spend for that two point five rating back
in the day, we could never make back. So we
lost it, and that's how they looked at it. So
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now if you look at ESPN and this Major League
Baseball deal, they sement five hundred and fifty million dollars
a year they're not making that. They'd never opt out
of that deal ever, so they were coming up short.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So what can they do?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Renegotiate, renegotiate or if they don't have it, that just
gives them five hundred and fifty million dollars to spend
on something else, right, to fill Sunday nights. I'm sure
they can do it. Yeah, for five hundred and fifty runs.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they'll run another thirty for thirty
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Right, it won't matter because quite won't matter.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, because the bottom line is this, and I work
in this business, so does Rodney, and certainly I did
local TV forever.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
What works as live sporting events?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right now, live breaking news, live sporting events. If you
don't have it on live, if it's not the game,
it's not going to do much, right because everybody will
be on their phone doing whatever or they're tab Right.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Why do you think, yeah, why do you think you're
seeing more games on Apple TV and your games on
Netflix and you're seeing games on Amazon and all of
those things. Everybody knows it's it's live TV. It's the
last what is it? It's the last entity? That is
out there that people will actually appointment television.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, because it's live everything else. You can get on
your phone. You can watch it at a later date.
You can watch it tonight, midnight or two in the
morning or tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, I'm working on a plan right now.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well, I'll just say it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I mean, if somebody wants to steal it, that's fine,
but you can't. I'm working on a plan right now
because I understand the media game and I've done it
a long time, and you guys know, I'm fascinated by
how things work. And I'm working on a plan and
I pitched it, and they're gonna do it here. They
wouldn't do it at Channel four because of the union situation.
Right to work states you could do this. Everybody in
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your television station is a reporter, everybody, And you go,
how does that work? Well, not everybody is a reporter, no,
but they are. Now I've come up with a way
for anybody. It doesn't matter whether you work in news,
whether you're in the sales department, if you come in
at night and clean the station, if you work at
the television station, you are a reporter. And we have
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a way now where everybody's phone can go live on
the air and stream live twenty four hours a day
on our website. So if somebody is driving home from
work and there's a car accident, something happens, I don't know,
and you can show it live, pop out and do it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You're on.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And we just start putting people on like this with
their phones because it's live, right, that works, That will work.
Live works. But when you look at scripted shows on TV,
what works? Big scripted shows streaming, they work, they're events,
(14:51):
they become events. Broadcast television is very tough. It's very tough.
It is so ESPN making this decision, no one. We
just did a show.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
We just did a show streaming on Bravo aired Sunday
night called King's Court. Everybody watched King's Court Bravo Sunday nights,
a dating show. Yeah, streaming on Bravo, and there's a
it was a tremendous hit Sunday night. And and so
we're very excited about it. But you're right, you know,
(15:26):
it's streaming is where it's at. You know, let's say this.
So it's and by the way, did it do well?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
We'll we'll get the real numbers on Thursday. But yeah,
all in the cases that it killed it all right, congratulations,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So let's do this. You and Holly did the show.
It was a takeoff of Queen's Court. Now it's King's
Court streamed on Bravo. Did well, what if we took
that show and rented on NBC at nine o'clock at night?
Do you think it do as well? Yeah, you think
it would probably not. No, No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
No, no, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I don't wan would know about it because perfect example,
uh Laurna and I popped open Peacock yesterday to watch
a show, and the first thing that popped up at
the beginning Kink's Courts, Carlos Boozer are walking through and
they blow it up with this giant marquee catch it
tonight just started streaming. Yeah, by me, that's where people are.
People are sitting there watching NBC. All due respect to them,
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they're all streaming services. You open up a streaming service
and they will pump out whatever the most important thing
is or the biggest thing they want people to watch.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, you know what, you usould drive everybody crazy. At
Channel four, and I kid you not, and probably anybody
that owns a local TV station or the country. Do
you know, every promo I can't remember, maybe it was
four or five years ago, every promo said streaming on Peacock,
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Watch Peacock.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Hey, you better get Peacock SONBC.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
People were crazy, going crazy, right, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
The people that worked for NBC at those stations are
going like, what the hell? Yeah, every everything drove people
to Peacock everything, right, Get you didn't promote shows anymore
if you did, Hey, coming up a new episode of.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Whatever order, Law and Order, watch it at nine o'clock
on Thursday. No, no, on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
New episode.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was like this Rotney new episode of Law and
Order Thursday at nine tomorrow on.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Peacock's exactly, exactly, exactly everything.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, you can watch it Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You watch it Thursday live, but anytime after Thursday you
can watch it on Peacock. They do it with the
NFL Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hey, Sunday Night Football streaming on Peacock, just like It's
like the NBC is tiny and the Peacock is enormous.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
All they're doing is sending people to the streaming service.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Absolutely absolutely, what do you care you're making money from it?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
By the way, I did just look this up too
because I was curious. So ESPN pays the NBA in
this new media rights deal that kicks in this year
two point six billion dollars a year, in the NFL
two point seven billion dollars a year. And they want
to back out a Major League Baseball at five hundred
and fifty million dollars a year. What does that say?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Wait, wait, wait wait, go back, go back, go back.
They pay NFL two point seven yep.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And they pay the.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
NBA two point six two.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Point six and they're backing out of baseball for five
hundred million yep. Like, can put that towards the NFL
or the NBA.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Wow? What do you think though?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Don't you think the popularity of baseball as taking a
skyrocketed over the last two years?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Rodney?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
They don't have enough games?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, they have a game a week, sometimes more, But
they have a game a week. Baseball plays one hundred
and sixty two games a year. What do they have
fifty games? How are you gonna make money on that?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, it's interesting. It's just
the popularity of baseball. It's turned the corner and it's
just different to me.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, it's great. I love it. I agree, I enjoy watching.
Most people think watching baseball could be boring.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I'm it's hardly watch baseball in the NBA it used
to be. Now, you know, I got the MLB package,
and I you know, if I'm not crazy or doing
anything on the week, I'm watching Saturday Sunday. If I
got time, I'm flipping through the MLB package and watching
different games.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's all we do, right with you?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, same thing, that's.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All we do. We start in the morning and go
all day into the night, watch every game.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
If there's a day where there's not a game that
but then we're upset. It's like, now what are we
gonna do. We don't even know what to watch anymore? Right,
you just sit and watch every game?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And so and body. Yeah. By the way, so, thirty
regular season games a year is what ESPN has as
part of its current rights deal with Major League Baseball.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How do you make money on that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That's tough. Thirty games, the entire Wildcard Round in Major
League Baseball and the home run derby.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Now you can't.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You can't, you can't, you can't. That was five hundred
and fifty million dollars. You can't make money for that. Yeah,
so they made the right call. Yeah, maybe they should
have did a deal just the Yankees and the Dodgers.
He d games that would have been great for ESPN,
but really bad for the Yankees and Dodgers. No, every
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game you take from us hurts us. No, Yankees and Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, kick you on the table Yankees and Dodgers a
little bit, but we're just gonna only broadcast Yankees and
Dodger games.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
The best thing in the world for the Yankees and
Dodgers is to get as many people to know about
him as possible, and the worst thing is for those
games to be on national TV. The Yankees and Dodgers
want all their own games. They make so much money. Yeah,
when they get that Sunday night game, they're.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like, you're right, why us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You don't have to put us on?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
We're fine, we don't want it. We don't want it.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Rangers in Phillies, that'll be great.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Just don't even look at us. All right, baseball fans,
here we go. We told you about the pitcher from
the Brewers, Mesoski Jacob. He has pitched a total of
five games in Major League Baseball, and he will be
introduced at the All Star Game tonight in Atlanta. Now,
depending on how old you are, you might say, well, listen, look,
he's pit five games. That's pretty good. He should be
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an All Star. And have you been around a little
bit of Michael. I'm not so sure about that. I'm
not so sure he should be an All Star. It's
like six nine eighty seven two five seventy. It's like
six nine eight seven two five seventy. All right, who
should be in the All Star Game? What should the
(22:09):
requirement be to be an All Star? Let's hear from you.
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Speaker 2 (22:50):
Rogan and Rodney, come on, let's go Freddy?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
All right? So here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh, you've got a guy pitching tonight in the All
Star Well, he's on the roster. You I don't know
if we'll pitch, but he's gonna be out there.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Dave Roberts says he will pitch.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Dave Roberts and I gotta bring him in there. He
ain't gonna pitch for it.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
He said that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, all right, So Jacob is Aroski's pitched five games.
He's going to pitch in the All Star Game and
he'll probably do pretty well. He's also like one hundred
miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, one hundred plus hundred plus he does, and he's
awkward with it. So it's, uh, he's very difficult to hit. Okay,
one inning and for one inning. Yeah, it's it's one
thing that he's gonna pitch six innings and you got
to see him multiple times, but these guys are only
only going to see him one time, and that's gonna
be very difficult.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And I think that's what Nick Castianos the Phillies, that's
what he took issue with. He said, they want to
put in a guy who can go in there and
throw a million miles an hour for one inning, you know,
as opposed to giving it to a guy who actually
deserves it. Obviously he's taken up for his teammates who
didn't make it. But yeah, he said, that's mob's reasoning
for it. Here's a young kid who throws a thousand
miles an hour. They want to put him on national
TV so people can see him, which I don't know
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from a marketing standpoint, it might not be the worst idea.
I get it. But then it just to what side
of the argument you fall on. Players that you want
to see exciting young players are players that deserve to
be there.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Look, I think you should always have and everybody is
against me on this. The best players in the first
half should always be there. Whoever, though that's the All
Star game, it's the all Star game of the first
half of the season because.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's what you worked for that.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I mean, guys are dream Look at you know my
guy h Pete crow Armstrong, who I know from growing
up with my kids and playing little league with my
kids over and then Cino. He played at Sherman Oaks
Little League. We were rivals in Sino. Sherman Oaks went
to Harvard Westlake with another good family friend of mine,
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Drew Bowser and and worked his way up and you know,
had a great first half of the season and became
a household name in Chicago and made the officer. It's
great for him. He earned it, though he earned it.
He played his ass off the first half of the season.
And you know, just imagine that he got called up
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in June, Fred and all of a sudden, played ten
games and hit seven home runs, and all of a
sudden they put him in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, that that's what's happening here.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Okay, So let me ask this though, So are the
rules different for a veteran player, because I can distinctly
remember two different occasions. It happened with David Ortiz and
it happened with Derek Jeter. Yes, it's probably like seven
your question. Yes, yeah, six seven years apart. Yeah, those
guys were having terrible first halves, but because they were
who they were, they made it into the All Star Game. Yeah,
so the rules are different.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
For them, yes, ok percent different for Big Poppy or Jeter,
who's got legacy behind them and they've done certain things
in the past, and and and people you know, obviously
really want to see them because they're legends.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
They have put in the work to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
But a young cat that has never been there before,
that has just been up, you know for two seconds,
it's hard to that's hard to fathom, especially.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
For a veteran.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, but Rodney, that goes against your argument.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No, yeah it does.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Here's why you point up Pete crow Armstrong, he of
the first half, right, yeah, he he deserves he earned that, right. Yeah,
what if he hadn't made it, because they would have
given whoever a chance Because everybody knows a big poppy or.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Mike Trout or somebody. I know, it's a different league.
But let's say a veteran who's not playing up to
the standard.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
That and that's the hard part of this. What should
it be? What should it be? It's a two edged
sword because if you are a legend and you've been
there multiple times, and you've done it multiple times, you
have a little bit more leeway than say somebody that's
never done it. So I have less of a problem
(26:52):
if Mike Trout made it over Pete crow Armstrong as
opposed to you know, mis Rowski making it over Clayton Kershaw. Yeah,
but yes, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I hear what you're saying, But you can't really have
that problem if Mike Trout made it over Pete crow Armstrong,
if Mike Trout played in the nationally or he played
in the americanly, if Mike Trout made it over Pete
crow Armstrong, that would be something seriously wrong with that.
And that's exactly what we're talking about here, and certainly
(27:29):
Trout has the petit ran should be acknowledged.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Now are we talking about Ortiz and Dieter having this
terrible years? Were they borderline or was it just we're
just gonna put him in just to put him in.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I feel like I remember David Ortiz was hitting like
around two hundred at the time. Because it was a
it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, then that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It was a huge deal. He was also voted in
by the fans, So maybe that's different too. So the
fans actually basically use their voice to say, here's who
I want to see, despite the fact that he's you know,
stunk it up THET.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So did the fans vote vote Miserski.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That's a different start, right, So, so so you got
to factor that in as well, because this is this
is also about the fans. Right, So you got to
factor all of those things in, and if the fans
wanted to see Ortiz at a or Trout in a
in a kind of a borderline, should he make it
(28:25):
or should he not? A situation over say Pete crow Armstrong,
then that's a little bit more understandable. Then then somebody
just placing a Miserroski in without the fan vote or
any other stipulation of just he's a young superstar that
we want people to see. Yeah, I just I really
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think when it comes to the All Star Game, and
that's why this is so difficult to decide who do
who deserves it? And then who do people want to see?
Who deserves it? And then who do people want to see?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And then if you're a base who are you trying
to serve the most? Do you want to serve your
players or do you want to serve the fans?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right? That's that becomes the hard part.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Right, Oh, they're serving the fans.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I mean yeah, clearly.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
With the decision that they made, they're serving the fans.
Is there even a question that's what they do?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, it's a marketing device for Major League Baseball. The
All Star Game, a game that means nothing. So all
this is is a marketing opportunity, and yeah, throw, but
it takes that, it takes the marketing out of it
when you're throwing money involved in it. That that becomes
the issue with a lot of the players, is that, Okay,
(29:37):
now this cat's going to make two hundred thousand dollars
and I had a chance to make two hundred thousand dollars.
You're taken out of my pocket.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Basically, yeah, well whatever my contract says, you know, as
in Soto one hundred thousand and some other guys different numbers.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're taking that out of my pocket. But Major League
Baseball doesn't care. This is a branding opportunity. Look at
the way they handle it compared to the debacle at
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Just look at it. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Even you know, the home run derby, and granted they
didn't have the big stars, but it's better. It's more
entertaining than watching the slam dunk contest. Now it is.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
What do you think they could do to get Jeter
and I mean that Jeter, but Judge and Otani and
some other guys into the home run derby? What what
do you think they could do to make that happen.
I don't know, major League Baseball, just do this, make
it instead of make those guys do it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
No, it'll never happen. And you and you, you said
it earlier. Why would you risk getting hurt?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Why? There's no need and no one's gonna make them
do it. So think about Dodger fans and Otani. If
Otani would have participated in the home run derby, what
do you think Dodger fans would have done when they
heard that he was going to participate, given that fact
that he is getting he starting to pitch again, and
he's becoming that dual player again, and you know, up
(31:01):
this innings to three now and he's going to continue
to pitch. All of a sudden, you see him in
the home run derby. How do you think Dodger fans
react to that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're not going to react well, I'll tell you who
else is not going to react well, Andrew Friedman, Mark
Walter stan Casten, Dave Roberts, Mark Pryor. They're not going
to react well, Brandon Gomes. They're not going to react
well either. They don't need that and are the chances
he's going to get hurt. No, but what if something
(31:30):
weird happens. That's an enormous investment. Yeah, so they're not
going to do that. They don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, it's an unnecessary risk. Yeah it is. It's riding
a motorcycle with no helmet right now. The chance of
you getting a crash, you know, very slim, but if
you do, it's all over.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So so I don't know what they could have done
to convince those guys to do it, but it is
this giant branding and marketing. So Misslelawski's going to pitch
because people want to see him pitch.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or Baseball wants the casuals who don't really follow it,
and they only watch the All Star Game to say,
oh my god, who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I gotta watch the Brewers. Yeah, I gotta watch
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He's throwing one hundred and two miles and now and
and does he does he get booted? No?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Boom. If the game was in Philadelphia, absolutely he might
get boot to Philly just because just because Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Remember this is a National League stadium too.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
So if thank god, there's not like an Atlanta guy
that's on the verge, that was on the fence of
making it. What if there was what if there's an
Atlanta pitcher that was on the fence of making the
All Star Game and this guy got it. Yeah, yeah,
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it would be ugly. But just think of this for
one second. So we're sitting here kicking this around, and
we talked about it a little bit today in the show. Actually,
and it's stuff that I think is interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You can't even you can't even extract as much as
we talked about today to talk about the NBA All
Star Game. It's so bad at NBA All Start weekend
is so bad? How did that happen? How did it
get to that point? How could it become so bad?
When we're sitting there and going, yeah, the Baseball All
Star weekend is pretty interesting?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
What yeah, what are you talking? Who would have ever
said that?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, and now we talk about the NBA All Star
We actually said my home run Derby's more exciting than
the slam dunk contest. Right, How did that happen? How
could that possibly have happened?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But it did.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I find it really strange, Rodney.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know, on the first time we talked about one
and played his about making money and you brought the
NBA All Star game. Fred reminded me of a couple
of years ago. After the game, they asked Shay Yodas Alexander,
I think it was his first year becoming an All Star, like,
what can we do for you guys to play harder
or show more effort? He was like, you got to
pay us more money. And he was sitting there wearing
a meat coat, as he said, it probably not the
(34:21):
best setting right now for you to say, right well,
a giant has gold chain and a meat coat saying
that I pay us more money, will play harder? Land very well, Lestga,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, you know they're looking at it, Kevin as all
the money that the NBA is making over All Star weekend,
that maybe they want to cut all of that. Kevin,
what do you always yell at me about when we
talk about stuff?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, exactly, yes.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Sometimes we talk about stuff on the show and Kevin
will call me afterwards, go, that was very relatable. Some
of the stuff you guys talk about that's not later.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
But can you tell the.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Story of a mink coat slot that right in there.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I'm gonna start wearing a mink coat.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Rock.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
I agree you had went back in the day Rogan's
heroes back in the day?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
After thinking about it, I wish I had. That would
have been the best back in the day. All right,
went back to wrapping up.
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Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh yes, it's what we do.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We finished strong, Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan on a Tuesday
All Star Night. Are you excited? Are you looking forward
to it? What are you most looking forward to? It's
gonna be high scoring, low scoring? What about Dave Roberts, Fred,
(36:24):
Here's what I was thinking about. I watched the the
Little Press conference with Dave yesterday, and they had Dave
and they had Aaron Boone who's the manager for the
American League, and then they had the two starting pitchers
next to them, Trek Scoobel from the Tigers with Aaron Boone,
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and then they had Paul Skenes next next to Dave
Roberts for the National League, who will be starting a
second consecutive All Star Game. And then they were running
down the lineup and the we're running down you know,
the pitchers and things like that. And given where the
Dodgers are and their pitching staff and their rotation and
(37:06):
injuries and all that kind of stuff, how do you
think Dave is going to be looking out tonight, going, Damn,
I'm leading off with Paul Schemes.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
You know, I'm bringing in all these guys that are
just phenomenal man, and I gotta I gotta figure out
how to work different guys into.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Just to you know, fulfill a nine inning game.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, he'll probably just sit back tonight and just relax,
you know, just relax. I always like to see how
many guys they can get in the game. Can you
get everybody in?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah? And when is Curse come in the game?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
That's the question. Will he come in the game?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
He said? Middle innings is what Dave Roberts.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Said, honorary guy right middle innings.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
At one point in the middle innings, he plans to
kershaw in.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes, all right, so he'll can get a little run.
But what do you get one? One out, two outs?
That said, Yeah, I think they play it, you know.
I think they see he'll start the inning and see
how it goes. I think if he goes well, if
he gets two outs right away, I think he lets
him finish the inning. Yeah, it's a very different type
of managing that he's been doing this year.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something right now, and I
don't think it'll happen. But at any point in the game,
if I see Jack Dryer warming up in the bullpen,
we got.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Might If I see Jack Dryer down.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
There, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Could you imagine Schemes goes out there, they shell him
for like eight runs, and there's Dave. He brings in
Francisco Lindor to pitch. He goes with a position player.
He just changes everything. See what he had to do.
He had a lot of position player pitch at some point.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah, it's the All Star Game. Maybe why not change
it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Let me ask you this. If Otani had not pitched Saturday,
would you pitch him tonight? Now he's MISRASKI right, would
you pitch Otani tonight if he hadn't pitched Saturday?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yes, I'd let him go. It's all star game.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Here's the question, though Yamamoto's there, does he pitch? No,
he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
He will not pitch.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, so that's the question.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Okay, So but if if Otani did not pitch Saturday,
yes I would. I would throw him out there for
any Okay, but again, he's Missroski. He hadn't even pitched
that many innings. Yeah, but he's an All Star on
a different level.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, he and might fall under the Jeter you know
thing we talked about before earlier, Big Poppy. He's pitched
at a high level, pitched at an all star level before,
and he.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Made the team. Legitimately, he's on the team. So it's like,
just okay, you're playing a different position. If we ask
Francisco Lindor, Hey, it's the eighth and he played second base.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know, it's no different.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I think you should mix up all the positions now,
of course you do, right, that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Would be more fun. Everybody out of position.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Let's put Freddy Freeman out and left food. See what happens?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You got? You got that?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I mean he's got I think the lineup is what
he's got Otani leading off, and then he's got who
else is hitting second? I forget who's sitting, but tell
Martees hitting third. He's got Freddie Freeman, you know, hitting
clean up, Manny Machado hitting fifth. You know Kyle Tucker.
I think he's hitting six or seventh. I think you're right,
(40:51):
he's hitting sixth.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Smith Will Smith is actually six. Tucker's behind him at seven.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Tucker's hitting seventh, and then you've got Lindor hitting eighth,
and then Pete crow Armstrong hitting ninth.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean, come on, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, Katie, thank you for filling
in for Ronnie and doing such a terrific job.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Are you there? Yeah? I was getting the music. I
don't have long arms like Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Katie.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, well, yesterday we talked to you. Didn't even get
You're a little delayed, Katie.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I can't be over at the computer starting the music
and over by the mic. I'm just not talling. I
can't even see over the monitors. You schwan, this is true, Katie.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Three foot four?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Katie?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Are you Peter Decklan.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Got on my stilts. Whatever the Dame is, O, Katie.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Thank you for the last day.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
He said, I'm never coming back.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
What are we gonna do with you?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Katie?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
All right, Kevin, great work, Appreciate it, Enjoy the All
Star Game. Rodney will do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Let's do it.
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports All Star Game tonight, All
Star Game tonight, and later this hour we'll give you
a little warm up here. We're gonna open the phone
lines the story of the Milwaukee pitcher Jacob Miseerowski. He
has pitched five games in baseball. He's exciting to watch
(00:23):
and maybe he's going to be really good. For five games,
he's been great. Five games does not a career make
and probably does not qualify you to be an All
Star if we're to be really probably a bit of
a stretch, which caused the number of players in the
league to be very upset. Philadelphia Phillies called it a joke.
(00:45):
It doesn't really qualify to be an All Star. So
the question becomes, and we'll talk about this later, who
should be an All Star? Should a guy that pitches
in five games being the All Star Team? Can you
imagine that'd be like a hitter with five batch. Well,
this guy's been up to bat five times, he hit
five home runs, he's in the All Star Game. Yeah,
(01:08):
it's kind of like, maybe not enough of us of
sample size here to put you in. But we're going
to talk about that coming up later on in the hour.
Will give you a chance to weigh in, because I'd
like to hear what you think. Okay, So home Run
Derby last night. Don't know if you watched it or not.
By the way, you know, that's ESPN's home Run Derby finale.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh that's the last one. That's the last round.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Really they opted out of their deal, so after this season,
ESPN is out of baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
There was a report, I think it was two weeks
ago that MLB and ESPN have renewed discussions on a deal.
So I don't know if Major League Baseball is not
getting what they thought they would get from Amazon and
whoever else, but the door has not necessarily been closed
to them reupping.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That is the first time I can remember, by the way,
that a major media organization at that level has tapped
out and said not worth it. I think they pay
five hundred and fifty million a year for.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Major League Baseball, Yeah, yeah, and they got what they have.
They Sunday Night Baseball they have, right, Yeah, and they
get some playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
The national radio rights for the postseason, and some regular
season games. That's all tied into that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
The home run derby game, right, a hunt run derby?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Wow Yeah, and they said, no, we're out, it's too much.
I can't remember the last time that's happened. Are did
you imagine at the right time though, because baseball has
made a resurgence. Yeah, you would think that. Oh maybe
maybe that's why they're back at the table. Well or
is Kevin Sigard?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, that the Amazons the of the world are not
ponying up like they thought they would. Yeah, you know,
you get it for what would they get it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Two years?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, because the contract's up in twenty eight So for
two years, it'll cost you a billion bucks just call
it five hundred million a year. That's what he has
in was paying. No, so maybe they went back to
ESPN and said, okay, what will you pay? This is bad,
this is bad for baseball. Wait, they did this before
they had to deal with the other.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, they opted out, but maybe they basically didn't have
a deal for next year going going forward. No, no, no, no,
they're looking for a partner. They still have Fox and Turner.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I got that, but they don't have with THEP
so that package is available. I mean, could you imagine
NBC call in the NFL and saying we're out. We're
going to opt out. By the way, that means you'll
never get back in again. Oh no, they would never
do that. But see here's what baseball is doing, and uh,
(03:44):
they're gonna leave the world in this Now. It's going
to be different for the Dodgers. Maybe not for the Angels,
but for the Dodgers it will be because the Dodgers
have their own TV streaming network and they're part owners
of this radio station, so they have a best at interest.
They're owners of both. But the majority of teams in
baseball do not own their own regional sports network. They
(04:08):
don't own them. These networks pay them a rights fee.
That's what Bally's does with the Angels and the Kings
and the Ducks. They pay the organizations a fee for
the right to carry.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Fred is a Frednamidia? Why going forward with not every Well,
I get not every team because if you're Pittsburgh and
Cincinnati you can't do it. Miami you can't do it.
If you it's somewhat of a big market and you're
doing well, why wouldn't you have your own Why wouldn't
(04:42):
you have your own network?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Here's why, because they're basically dying because cable is dying
because those are.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Streaming though streaming though, why wouldn't you have your own streaming.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Now that's a different conversation, and that's what baseball is
going to do. Yeah, that's a very different conversation, right.
You see in these regional sports deals, for example, the
Dodgers as owners of sports at LA, they get a
huge gig get it rights fee every year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So do the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way, New York Cobs get THEIRS from THEIRS.
They own THEIRS. If you Red Sox have a piece
of THEIRS, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And the Mets are the other team that does.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And the Mets have it okay, So these teams make
a lot of money from a regional sports network which
is carried on cable. But as people have stopped watching
linear television. As a matter of fact, I saw fewer
than twenty percent of the country watched broadcast TV last week.
(05:45):
Here than twenty percent. That's scary. And one of the
reasons is they don't have cable anymore. They don't want
to pay for it. So if you don't have cable.
You don't have as many people using cable, so the
cable companies can't pay the teams as much for rights
fees because they're just aren't people using table. So what
is Baseball gonna do. They're starting their own streaming service.
(06:06):
That's what they're going to do. That's the ultimate plan.
That's good for most, bad for some. Who's it good for?
It's good for everybody that doesn't have a big regional
sports deal.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, don't they bad for MLB TV, right, that's what
they're streaming is or not? Well, they're connected with the
eighth market, but they're gonna they are going to produce
the Dodgers. You can't get it in this market. You
gotta you gotta be spectrum.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So the new plan, in Baseball's giant plan, there'd be
no blackouts none A. They don't exist. You buy the
MLB package, you get everything, you got it all. You
got Dodgers in LA, you got Dodgers in Cincinnati, you
got the Reds. And saying are the Dodgers and the
Phillies and the Yankees are they all balking at that?
(06:53):
And that's and there's the hang up. Like I said,
it's good for a lot of teams, but not for
all the teams that have their own regional sports networks
that make an enormous amount of money. That's not good
for them because they're going to make less. What Baseball
would do is everybody that subscribed, subscribes to MLB network,
you pay right that goes into a giant pot. We
(07:16):
just split the pot up so everybody gets the same right.
That's Baseball's That's That's kind of what ned was alluding
to with the NFL and how they collectively bargain and
support everything from the TV contracts and everything else. Is
that you can survive in Green Bay because Green Bay
gets the same as Dallas does, and New York and
(07:39):
LA and all of those things. Whereas this model would
allow for Cincinnati and Pittsburgh to start to compete with
not necessarily because of the ownership, but from a TV
type of revenue standpoint, with the Dodgers and the Yankees
and everybody else, because they would here the same revenue exactly,
(08:02):
which would mean they'd probably make more. The Dodgers, Yankees,
Cubs would make less. Yeah, right, So if you own
the Dodgers, Yankees, or Cubs or Mats, you don't like.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That very much.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
No, I'm gonna make less so you can make more.
Wasn't wasn't the the Atlanta Braids with Ted Turner the
first to really make that big deal like that where
they had their own Yes, yeah, America superstation, Yeah, superstation.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, yeah, Atlanta Braids. You can see him everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
M He was far ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The other guy that was really ahead of the curve
was Jerry Buss. Mm hmm, Jerry Buss Prime Ticket on TV. Yeah,
it was called on TV on TV.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He created that revenue stream, so he was ahead of
the curve. Ted Turner was ahead of the curve. And
now what Baseball will do is create a master model
where everything is streamed. Okay, So when that's the case,
back to the ESPN situation, what happens to ESPN? So
(09:12):
Baseball looks at it like this, you better buy, you
better pay us what we want because if we take
this away from you, now, what are you gonna do.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You're never gonna get it back.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
What are you gonna do? You got nothing?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And ESPN is probably saying, Okay, we're paying too much,
we're not making money, and If that's the case, baseball
needs to secure this package somehow to get through the
next year.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But for ESPN and where baseball feels like it's heading,
You've got an exclusive on Sunday Night, right, and that's
not enough for you. That's that's not making you money,
right because it's even if you have streaming, you got
to watch ESPN to watch Sunday Night Baseball whoever's playing correct,
So that until that is not that is not enough
(10:01):
money for you to re up the package with Major
League Baseball. Given the upward trajectory of baseball nowadays, in
the popularity of baseball where it is is that shortsighted
by ESPN or you think that they are planned by
the books, and just like, okay, we can't afford it.
There's only so much money to spend, period, So how
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are you going to spend it?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
One hundred years ago, when NBC had the old NBA package,
when we had the games on Channel four, the Kobe
Shakira or the Magic Times and we do the postgame shows.
Those were great times and NBC did a magnificent job
of the NBA. And then all of a sudden, the
rights fees were up and the negotiation started and we're
(10:44):
all sitting there thinking we're going to hold on to
the NBA, and at the end of the day, we
lost it. We lost it to Turner. That's when Turner
came in, right, we lost the NBA. And I said
to the president of NBC Sports, not the executive producer,
but the president, Kenny Shanser, I worked on projects with him.
I said, how the hell did that happen? What does
(11:04):
that do? Oh my god, how could we lose the NBA?
This is terrible. He said, all right, well, look at
it like this. The NBA basically did a two point
five rating nationally. Nationally, I said, okay, So he said
that meant ninety seven point five percent of televisions in
(11:26):
the country was not watching the NBA. I said, well,
if you do the math. He goes, well, if you
do the math, that's how advertisers buy. So the money
we would spend for that two point five rating back
in the day, we could never make back. So we
lost it, and that's how they looked at it. So
(11:47):
now if you look at ESPN and this Major League
Baseball deal, they sement five hundred and fifty million dollars
a year they're not making that. They'd never opt out
of that deal ever, so they were coming up short.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So what can they do?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Renegotiate, renegotiate or if they don't have it, that just
gives them five hundred and fifty million dollars to spend
on something else, right, to fill Sunday nights. I'm sure
they can do it. Yeah, for five hundred and fifty runs.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they'll run another thirty for thirty
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Right, it won't matter because quite won't matter.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, because the bottom line is this, and I work
in this business, so does Rodney, and certainly I did
local TV forever.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
What works as live sporting events?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right now, live breaking news, live sporting events. If you
don't have it on live, if it's not the game,
it's not going to do much, right because everybody will
be on their phone doing whatever or they're tab Right.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Why do you think, yeah, why do you think you're
seeing more games on Apple TV and your games on
Netflix and you're seeing games on Amazon and all of
those things. Everybody knows it's it's live TV. It's the
last what is it? It's the last entity? That is
out there that people will actually appointment television.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, because it's live everything else. You can get on
your phone. You can watch it at a later date.
You can watch it tonight, midnight or two in the
morning or tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, I'm working on a plan right now.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well, I'll just say it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I mean, if somebody wants to steal it, that's fine,
but you can't. I'm working on a plan right now
because I understand the media game and I've done it
a long time, and you guys know, I'm fascinated by
how things work. And I'm working on a plan and
I pitched it, and they're gonna do it here. They
wouldn't do it at Channel four because of the union situation.
Right to work states you could do this. Everybody in
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your television station is a reporter, everybody, And you go,
how does that work? Well, not everybody is a reporter, no,
but they are. Now I've come up with a way
for anybody. It doesn't matter whether you work in news,
whether you're in the sales department, if you come in
at night and clean the station, if you work at
the television station, you are a reporter. And we have
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a way now where everybody's phone can go live on
the air and stream live twenty four hours a day
on our website. So if somebody is driving home from
work and there's a car accident, something happens, I don't know,
and you can show it live, pop out and do it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You're on.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And we just start putting people on like this with
their phones because it's live, right, that works, That will work.
Live works. But when you look at scripted shows on TV,
what works? Big scripted shows streaming, they work, they're events,
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they become events. Broadcast television is very tough. It's very tough.
It is so ESPN making this decision, no one. We
just did a show.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
We just did a show streaming on Bravo aired Sunday
night called King's Court. Everybody watched King's Court Bravo Sunday nights,
a dating show. Yeah, streaming on Bravo, and there's a
it was a tremendous hit Sunday night. And and so
we're very excited about it. But you're right, you know,
(15:26):
it's streaming is where it's at. You know, let's say this.
So it's and by the way, did it do well?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
We'll we'll get the real numbers on Thursday. But yeah,
all in the cases that it killed it all right, congratulations,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So let's do this. You and Holly did the show.
It was a takeoff of Queen's Court. Now it's King's
Court streamed on Bravo. Did well, what if we took
that show and rented on NBC at nine o'clock at night?
Do you think it do as well? Yeah, you think
it would probably not. No, No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
No, no, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I don't wan would know about it because perfect example,
uh Laurna and I popped open Peacock yesterday to watch
a show, and the first thing that popped up at
the beginning Kink's Courts, Carlos Boozer are walking through and
they blow it up with this giant marquee catch it
tonight just started streaming. Yeah, by me, that's where people are.
People are sitting there watching NBC. All due respect to them,
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they're all streaming services. You open up a streaming service
and they will pump out whatever the most important thing
is or the biggest thing they want people to watch.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, you know what, you usould drive everybody crazy. At
Channel four, and I kid you not, and probably anybody
that owns a local TV station or the country. Do
you know, every promo I can't remember, maybe it was
four or five years ago, every promo said streaming on Peacock,
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Watch Peacock.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Hey, you better get Peacock SONBC.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
People were crazy, going crazy, right, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
The people that worked for NBC at those stations are
going like, what the hell? Yeah, every everything drove people
to Peacock everything, right, Get you didn't promote shows anymore
if you did, Hey, coming up a new episode of.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Whatever order, Law and Order, watch it at nine o'clock
on Thursday. No, no, on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
New episode.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was like this Rotney new episode of Law and
Order Thursday at nine tomorrow on.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Peacock's exactly, exactly, exactly everything.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, you can watch it Thursday.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You watch it Thursday live, but anytime after Thursday you
can watch it on Peacock. They do it with the
NFL Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hey, Sunday Night Football streaming on Peacock, just like It's
like the NBC is tiny and the Peacock is enormous.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
All they're doing is sending people to the streaming service.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Absolutely absolutely, what do you care you're making money from it?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
By the way, I did just look this up too
because I was curious. So ESPN pays the NBA in
this new media rights deal that kicks in this year
two point six billion dollars a year, in the NFL
two point seven billion dollars a year. And they want
to back out a Major League Baseball at five hundred
and fifty million dollars a year. What does that say?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Wait, wait, wait wait, go back, go back, go back.
They pay NFL two point seven yep.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And they pay the.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
NBA two point six two.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Point six and they're backing out of baseball for five
hundred million yep. Like, can put that towards the NFL
or the NBA.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Wow? What do you think though?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Don't you think the popularity of baseball as taking a
skyrocketed over the last two years?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Rodney?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
They don't have enough games?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, they have a game a week, sometimes more, But
they have a game a week. Baseball plays one hundred
and sixty two games a year. What do they have
fifty games? How are you gonna make money on that?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, it's interesting. It's just
the popularity of baseball. It's turned the corner and it's
just different to me.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, it's great. I love it. I agree, I enjoy watching.
Most people think watching baseball could be boring.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I'm it's hardly watch baseball in the NBA it used
to be. Now, you know, I got the MLB package,
and I you know, if I'm not crazy or doing
anything on the week, I'm watching Saturday Sunday. If I
got time, I'm flipping through the MLB package and watching
different games.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's all we do, right with you?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, same thing, that's.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
All we do. We start in the morning and go
all day into the night, watch every game.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
If there's a day where there's not a game that
but then we're upset. It's like, now what are we
gonna do. We don't even know what to watch anymore? Right,
you just sit and watch every game?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And so and body. Yeah. By the way, so, thirty
regular season games a year is what ESPN has as
part of its current rights deal with Major League Baseball.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How do you make money on that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That's tough. Thirty games, the entire Wildcard Round in Major
League Baseball and the home run derby.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Now you can't.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You can't, you can't, you can't. That was five hundred
and fifty million dollars. You can't make money for that. Yeah,
so they made the right call. Yeah, maybe they should
have did a deal just the Yankees and the Dodgers.
He d games that would have been great for ESPN,
but really bad for the Yankees and Dodgers. No, every
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game you take from us hurts us. No, Yankees and Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, kick you on the table Yankees and Dodgers a
little bit, but we're just gonna only broadcast Yankees and
Dodger games.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
The best thing in the world for the Yankees and
Dodgers is to get as many people to know about
him as possible, and the worst thing is for those
games to be on national TV. The Yankees and Dodgers
want all their own games. They make so much money. Yeah,
when they get that Sunday night game, they're.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like, you're right, why us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You don't have to put us on?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
We're fine, we don't want it. We don't want it.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Rangers in Phillies, that'll be great.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Just don't even look at us. All right, baseball fans,
here we go. We told you about the pitcher from
the Brewers, Mesoski Jacob. He has pitched a total of
five games in Major League Baseball, and he will be
introduced at the All Star Game tonight in Atlanta. Now,
depending on how old you are, you might say, well, listen, look,
he's pit five games. That's pretty good. He should be
(21:48):
an All Star. And have you been around a little
bit of Michael. I'm not so sure about that. I'm
not so sure he should be an All Star. It's
like six nine eighty seven two five seventy. It's like
six nine eight seven two five seventy. All right, who
should be in the All Star Game? What should the
(22:09):
requirement be to be an All Star? Let's hear from you.
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Speaker 2 (22:50):
Rogan and Rodney, come on, let's go Freddy?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
All right? So here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Uh, you've got a guy pitching tonight in the All
Star Well, he's on the roster. You I don't know
if we'll pitch, but he's gonna be out there.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Dave Roberts says he will pitch.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Dave Roberts and I gotta bring him in there. He
ain't gonna pitch for it.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
He said that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, all right, So Jacob is Aroski's pitched five games.
He's going to pitch in the All Star Game and
he'll probably do pretty well. He's also like one hundred
miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, one hundred plus hundred plus he does, and he's
awkward with it. So it's, uh, he's very difficult to hit. Okay,
one inning and for one inning. Yeah, it's it's one
thing that he's gonna pitch six innings and you got
to see him multiple times, but these guys are only
only going to see him one time, and that's gonna
be very difficult.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And I think that's what Nick Castianos the Phillies, that's
what he took issue with. He said, they want to
put in a guy who can go in there and
throw a million miles an hour for one inning, you know,
as opposed to giving it to a guy who actually
deserves it. Obviously he's taken up for his teammates who
didn't make it. But yeah, he said, that's mob's reasoning
for it. Here's a young kid who throws a thousand
miles an hour. They want to put him on national
TV so people can see him, which I don't know
(23:54):
from a marketing standpoint, it might not be the worst idea.
I get it. But then it just to what side
of the argument you fall on. Players that you want
to see exciting young players are players that deserve to
be there.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Look, I think you should always have and everybody is
against me on this. The best players in the first
half should always be there. Whoever, though that's the All
Star game, it's the all Star game of the first
half of the season because.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's what you worked for that.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I mean, guys are dream Look at you know my
guy h Pete crow Armstrong, who I know from growing
up with my kids and playing little league with my
kids over and then Cino. He played at Sherman Oaks
Little League. We were rivals in Sino. Sherman Oaks went
to Harvard Westlake with another good family friend of mine,
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Drew Bowser and and worked his way up and you know,
had a great first half of the season and became
a household name in Chicago and made the officer. It's
great for him. He earned it, though he earned it.
He played his ass off the first half of the season.
And you know, just imagine that he got called up
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in June, Fred and all of a sudden, played ten
games and hit seven home runs, and all of a
sudden they put him in the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well, that that's what's happening here.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Okay, So let me ask this though, So are the
rules different for a veteran player, because I can distinctly
remember two different occasions. It happened with David Ortiz and
it happened with Derek Jeter. Yes, it's probably like seven
your question. Yes, yeah, six seven years apart. Yeah, those
guys were having terrible first halves, but because they were
who they were, they made it into the All Star Game. Yeah,
so the rules are different.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
For them, yes, ok percent different for Big Poppy or Jeter,
who's got legacy behind them and they've done certain things
in the past, and and and people you know, obviously
really want to see them because they're legends.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
They have put in the work to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
But a young cat that has never been there before,
that has just been up, you know for two seconds,
it's hard to that's hard to fathom, especially.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
For a veteran.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, but Rodney, that goes against your argument.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No, yeah it does.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Here's why you point up Pete crow Armstrong, he of
the first half, right, yeah, he he deserves he earned that, right. Yeah,
what if he hadn't made it, because they would have
given whoever a chance Because everybody knows a big poppy or.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Mike Trout or somebody. I know, it's a different league.
But let's say a veteran who's not playing up to
the standard.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
That and that's the hard part of this. What should
it be? What should it be? It's a two edged
sword because if you are a legend and you've been
there multiple times, and you've done it multiple times, you
have a little bit more leeway than say somebody that's
never done it. So I have less of a problem
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if Mike Trout made it over Pete crow Armstrong as
opposed to you know, mis Rowski making it over Clayton Kershaw. Yeah,
but yes, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I hear what you're saying, But you can't really have
that problem if Mike Trout made it over Pete crow Armstrong,
if Mike Trout played in the nationally or he played
in the americanly, if Mike Trout made it over Pete
crow Armstrong, that would be something seriously wrong with that.
And that's exactly what we're talking about here, and certainly
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Trout has the petit ran should be acknowledged.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Now are we talking about Ortiz and Dieter having this
terrible years? Were they borderline or was it just we're
just gonna put him in just to put him in.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I feel like I remember David Ortiz was hitting like
around two hundred at the time. Because it was a
it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, then that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It was a huge deal. He was also voted in
by the fans, So maybe that's different too. So the
fans actually basically use their voice to say, here's who
I want to see, despite the fact that he's you know,
stunk it up THET.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So did the fans vote vote Miserski.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That's a different start, right, So, so so you got
to factor that in as well, because this is this
is also about the fans. Right, So you got to
factor all of those things in, and if the fans
wanted to see Ortiz at a or Trout in a
in a kind of a borderline, should he make it
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or should he not? A situation over say Pete crow Armstrong,
then that's a little bit more understandable. Then then somebody
just placing a Miserroski in without the fan vote or
any other stipulation of just he's a young superstar that
we want people to see. Yeah, I just I really
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think when it comes to the All Star Game, and
that's why this is so difficult to decide who do
who deserves it? And then who do people want to see?
Who deserves it? And then who do people want to see?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And then if you're a base who are you trying
to serve the most? Do you want to serve your
players or do you want to serve the fans?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right? That's that becomes the hard part.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Right, Oh, they're serving the fans.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I mean yeah, clearly.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
With the decision that they made, they're serving the fans.
Is there even a question that's what they do?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, it's a marketing device for Major League Baseball. The
All Star Game, a game that means nothing. So all
this is is a marketing opportunity, and yeah, throw, but
it takes that, it takes the marketing out of it
when you're throwing money involved in it. That that becomes
the issue with a lot of the players, is that, Okay,
(29:37):
now this cat's going to make two hundred thousand dollars
and I had a chance to make two hundred thousand dollars.
You're taken out of my pocket.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Basically, yeah, well whatever my contract says, you know, as
in Soto one hundred thousand and some other guys different numbers.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're taking that out of my pocket. But Major League
Baseball doesn't care. This is a branding opportunity. Look at
the way they handle it compared to the debacle at
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Just look at it. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Even you know, the home run derby, and granted they
didn't have the big stars, but it's better. It's more
entertaining than watching the slam dunk contest. Now it is.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
What do you think they could do to get Jeter
and I mean that Jeter, but Judge and Otani and
some other guys into the home run derby? What what
do you think they could do to make that happen.
I don't know, major League Baseball, just do this, make
it instead of make those guys do it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
No, it'll never happen. And you and you, you said
it earlier. Why would you risk getting hurt?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Why? There's no need and no one's gonna make them
do it. So think about Dodger fans and Otani. If
Otani would have participated in the home run derby, what
do you think Dodger fans would have done when they
heard that he was going to participate, given that fact
that he is getting he starting to pitch again, and
he's becoming that dual player again, and you know, up
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this innings to three now and he's going to continue
to pitch. All of a sudden, you see him in
the home run derby. How do you think Dodger fans
react to that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're not going to react well, I'll tell you who
else is not going to react well, Andrew Friedman, Mark
Walter stan Casten, Dave Roberts, Mark Pryor. They're not going
to react well, Brandon Gomes. They're not going to react
well either. They don't need that and are the chances
he's going to get hurt. No, but what if something
(31:30):
weird happens. That's an enormous investment. Yeah, so they're not
going to do that. They don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, it's an unnecessary risk. Yeah it is. It's riding
a motorcycle with no helmet right now. The chance of
you getting a crash, you know, very slim, but if
you do, it's all over.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So so I don't know what they could have done
to convince those guys to do it, but it is
this giant branding and marketing. So Misslelawski's going to pitch
because people want to see him pitch.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or Baseball wants the casuals who don't really follow it,
and they only watch the All Star Game to say,
oh my god, who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I gotta watch the Brewers. Yeah, I gotta watch
the Brewers.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
He's throwing one hundred and two miles and now and
and does he does he get booted? No?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Boom. If the game was in Philadelphia, absolutely he might
get boot to Philly just because just because Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Remember this is a National League stadium too.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
So if thank god, there's not like an Atlanta guy
that's on the verge, that was on the fence of
making it. What if there was what if there's an
Atlanta pitcher that was on the fence of making the
All Star Game and this guy got it. Yeah, yeah,
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it would be ugly. But just think of this for
one second. So we're sitting here kicking this around, and
we talked about it a little bit today in the show. Actually,
and it's stuff that I think is interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You can't even you can't even extract as much as
we talked about today to talk about the NBA All
Star Game. It's so bad at NBA All Start weekend
is so bad? How did that happen? How did it
get to that point? How could it become so bad?
When we're sitting there and going, yeah, the Baseball All
Star weekend is pretty interesting?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
What yeah, what are you talking? Who would have ever
said that?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, and now we talk about the NBA All Star
We actually said my home run Derby's more exciting than
the slam dunk contest. Right, How did that happen? How
could that possibly have happened?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But it did.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I find it really strange, Rodney.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know, on the first time we talked about one
and played his about making money and you brought the
NBA All Star game. Fred reminded me of a couple
of years ago. After the game, they asked Shay Yodas Alexander,
I think it was his first year becoming an All Star, like,
what can we do for you guys to play harder
or show more effort? He was like, you got to
pay us more money. And he was sitting there wearing
a meat coat, as he said, it probably not the
(34:21):
best setting right now for you to say, right well,
a giant has gold chain and a meat coat saying
that I pay us more money, will play harder? Land very well, Lestga,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, you know they're looking at it, Kevin as all
the money that the NBA is making over All Star weekend,
that maybe they want to cut all of that. Kevin,
what do you always yell at me about when we
talk about stuff?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, exactly, yes.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Sometimes we talk about stuff on the show and Kevin
will call me afterwards, go, that was very relatable. Some
of the stuff you guys talk about that's not later.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
But can you tell the.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Story of a mink coat slot that right in there.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I'm gonna start wearing a mink coat.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Rock.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
I agree you had went back in the day Rogan's
heroes back in the day?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
After thinking about it, I wish I had. That would
have been the best back in the day. All right,
went back to wrapping up.
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Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh yes, it's what we do.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We finished strong, Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan on a Tuesday
All Star Night. Are you excited? Are you looking forward
to it? What are you most looking forward to? It's
gonna be high scoring, low scoring? What about Dave Roberts, Fred,
(36:24):
Here's what I was thinking about. I watched the the
Little Press conference with Dave yesterday, and they had Dave
and they had Aaron Boone who's the manager for the
American League, and then they had the two starting pitchers
next to them, Trek Scoobel from the Tigers with Aaron Boone,
(36:44):
and then they had Paul Skenes next next to Dave
Roberts for the National League, who will be starting a
second consecutive All Star Game. And then they were running
down the lineup and the we're running down you know,
the pitchers and things like that. And given where the
Dodgers are and their pitching staff and their rotation and
(37:06):
injuries and all that kind of stuff, how do you
think Dave is going to be looking out tonight, going, Damn,
I'm leading off with Paul Schemes.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
You know, I'm bringing in all these guys that are
just phenomenal man, and I gotta I gotta figure out
how to work different guys into.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Just to you know, fulfill a nine inning game.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, he'll probably just sit back tonight and just relax,
you know, just relax. I always like to see how
many guys they can get in the game. Can you
get everybody in?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah? And when is Curse come in the game?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
That's the question. Will he come in the game?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
He said? Middle innings is what Dave Roberts.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Said, honorary guy right middle innings.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
At one point in the middle innings, he plans to
kershaw in.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes, all right, so he'll can get a little run.
But what do you get one? One out, two outs?
That said, Yeah, I think they play it, you know.
I think they see he'll start the inning and see
how it goes. I think if he goes well, if
he gets two outs right away, I think he lets
him finish the inning. Yeah, it's a very different type
of managing that he's been doing this year.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something right now, and I
don't think it'll happen. But at any point in the game,
if I see Jack Dryer warming up in the bullpen,
we got.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Might If I see Jack Dryer down.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
There, I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Could you imagine Schemes goes out there, they shell him
for like eight runs, and there's Dave. He brings in
Francisco Lindor to pitch. He goes with a position player.
He just changes everything. See what he had to do.
He had a lot of position player pitch at some point.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah, it's the All Star Game. Maybe why not change
it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Let me ask you this. If Otani had not pitched Saturday,
would you pitch him tonight? Now he's MISRASKI right, would
you pitch Otani tonight if he hadn't pitched Saturday?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yes, I'd let him go. It's all star game.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Here's the question, though Yamamoto's there, does he pitch? No,
he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
He will not pitch.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, so that's the question.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Okay, So but if if Otani did not pitch Saturday,
yes I would. I would throw him out there for
any Okay, but again, he's Missroski. He hadn't even pitched
that many innings. Yeah, but he's an All Star on
a different level.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, he and might fall under the Jeter you know
thing we talked about before earlier, Big Poppy. He's pitched
at a high level, pitched at an all star level before,
and he.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Made the team. Legitimately, he's on the team. So it's like,
just okay, you're playing a different position. If we ask
Francisco Lindor, Hey, it's the eighth and he played second base.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know, it's no different.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I think you should mix up all the positions now,
of course you do, right, that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Would be more fun. Everybody out of position.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Let's put Freddy Freeman out and left food. See what happens?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You got? You got that?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
I mean he's got I think the lineup is what
he's got Otani leading off, and then he's got who
else is hitting second? I forget who's sitting, but tell
Martees hitting third. He's got Freddie Freeman, you know, hitting
clean up, Manny Machado hitting fifth. You know Kyle Tucker.
I think he's hitting six or seventh. I think you're right,
(40:51):
he's hitting sixth.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Smith Will Smith is actually six. Tucker's behind him at seven.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Tucker's hitting seventh, and then you've got Lindor hitting eighth,
and then Pete crow Armstrong hitting ninth.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean, come on, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, Katie, thank you for filling
in for Ronnie and doing such a terrific job.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Are you there? Yeah? I was getting the music. I
don't have long arms like Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Katie.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, well, yesterday we talked to you. Didn't even get
You're a little delayed, Katie.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I can't be over at the computer starting the music
and over by the mic. I'm just not talling. I
can't even see over the monitors. You schwan, this is true, Katie.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Three foot four?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Katie?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Are you Peter Decklan.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Got on my stilts. Whatever the Dame is, O, Katie.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Thank you for the last day.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
He said, I'm never coming back.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
What are we gonna do with you?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Katie?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
All right, Kevin, great work, Appreciate it, Enjoy the All
Star Game. Rodney will do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Let's do it.
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