July 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Vinny Bonsignore joins the show as the Chargers and Lions kickoff the start of NFL training camp. Are the Lakers stressed that Luka could potentially eschew a 3 or 4 year extension and become a free agent after the upcoming season?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan and Rodney Pete
on AM five to seventy LA Sports. So the Chargers
open camp, the Lions open camp early to get rid
of the Hall of Fame game. Here comes football season.
Here's the problem, here's the problem in Los Angeles. Everywhere
in the country, this is it. This is the beginning
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as camp's open. There is nothing bigger than the NFL.
But when you live in Los Angeles and you have
the Dodgers, sure people are just in the NFL. Of course,
I'm not saying they're not. I don't really think that
peak interest in football in this market gets started in
Rodney till the Dodger season is over. I think the
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majority of people are focused on the Dodgers here to
the Dodgers season is over. So you're saying not until
the end of October early November. Yeah, I mean when
it really gets a fevered pitch like it is everywhere
else in the country, maybe I'll buy I'll buy that
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a little bit perfectly. And and maybe maybe it's because, yeah,
there's there's not a football team in this market professionally
that gets the juice is flowing like the Dodgers do everybody.
I mean, the Dodgers are at that point when the
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football season opens. The Dodgers are in the in the
final swing and getting ready for the playoffs. So everybody's
excited about them. But I get that. But I will
say when the U s c Is hot, there was
an excitement getting ready for the USC season. Now that
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hasn't happened for a while since Pete Carroll was here, really,
but there was an excitement for opening day for USC
more so than it was for any NFL team that
was in town. And I guess I would tend to
agree with you that it's kind of a whole home
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opening to the NFL in this town because the Doggies are
going to be in a playoff run. All right, let's
find out from a guy that worked here, lived here
now of course, covers the Raiders in Vegas. It's our
good friend VINNYE. Bonsen. Anny, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm doing great, great conversation. Are we talking about the
opening of the season or the opening of camp?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, opening of training camp? Really and register, let's just
be honest like it does in other places. Now, let's
go to the opening of the season. Is there excitement? Sure?
Are people fired up. Yes, but I'm just saying I
don't think the market gets as wound up over the
NFL as other markets do until the Dodger season is over.
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Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I would say so. However, I know on our show
we get a lot of calls from Southern California of
Arden Raider fans who are beside themselves with excitement about
training camp, you know, for the Raiders, and I would
imagine that there's Ram fans who feel that same way,
and maybe to a lesser extent, Charger fans that feel
that same way. So I'm certainly over the last couple
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of weeks feeling the excitement. And we do get a
lot of calls from from the Los Angeles area in
southern California in general of Raider fans that are fired
up about this season. With Pete Carroll and I would
also say this, it's so disperse, so diverse in terms
of the average NFL fan in Los Angeles. All thirty
two teams are represented among those fans. It's just how,
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you know, because people moved out to Los Angeles from
elsewhere and you know, maintained their allegiances to their former teams,
or there was also the generation and a half to
almost two generations that grew up without a football team
to really root for and became by proxy the hands
of the Cowboys and the Giants and the New England Patriots,
et cetera, et cetera. So you might not be steeling
it as much as there is. There is excitement, but
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it's just so spread out among Eagles fans and Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, but Benny, you know that, you know, Yeah, I
get what you're saying, and you get the diehard Raider fans.
But in terms of other cities, when you you look
at Philadelphia getting ready for the season, it's I mean,
Phillies are doing well. Phillies can make the World Series.
They can, They're making a run. They're a great organization.
They've been in the mix for the last what five
six seven years, But it's all about the Eagles training
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camp getting ready to start and the Eagles making a
run for back to back titles. I L A. L
A is a little bit different. LA is a little
bit different because you're gonna have the die hards obviously,
But in terms of the city getting really excited about
football season at this point, it's not like Philly or
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even Dallas or some of the other places around town
Denver getting ready for the Broncos to start.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I agree, and I think it's because all of those
cities that you just mentioned are are for one team,
that team, the team that's in that's in you know,
that that market, whereas in Los Angeles it's you don't
feel it necessarily because it's so it is so spread out,
and obviously I don't know when it will take, but
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you would you would imagine that, you know, maybe twenty
years down the road, the Rams will have that sort
of support, that sort of unified support in Los Angeles,
although I don't know that it'll ever be like that
in Los Angeles because there's so many fans of so
many other teams that those hardcore fans of those teams
are are excited about training camp. But it's it's spread
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out amongst you know, two main teams in Los Angeles
and really one main team in the Rams, and also
the Raiders obviously, and then and then everybody else. So
it's it's it's kind of a weird dynamic in Los Angeles,
and I'm not quite sure it will ever be the
way it is in Philadelphia. Or Minnesota or some of
the other more ardent teams that have been in their
markets for for you know, almost one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Benny Rams missed out on Jalen Ramsey. Does that affect
their playoff ceiling at all in your mind?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
No, I don't. I don't think so. And you know,
nothing against Jalen Ramsey, but but you know, here's a
guy that what is he on his fourth team now?
Three teams have traded him away. There's usually something to
read into that if we're being if we're being honest,
you know, he's coming off some injuries, He's being paid
a lot of money. So I don't. I don't know
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that he's a difference maker that that he's been in
the past. I think you're gonna fit pretty well in Pittsburgh.
But but I don't. I don't. I don't see him
and I don't think that a whole lot of people
see him as this massive difference maker.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting with him, with with with Jalen Ramsey.
Got start with the Raiders, Vinny. The excitement over Pete
Carroll is he is he the draw for the Raiders
right now? I mean, I know they've got some new
guys in and they've signed some guys, but it's Pete
Carroll really the excitement for the Raider brand right now
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than any other player in.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
A way, yes, but it was fortified by the moves
that were made since Pete Carroll, you know, has become
the head coach and John Spytek the general manager. Carroll
led to Gino Smith. There's a lot of excitement for
the floor that got raised in the quarterback room compared
to what was here last year. Gino Smith is just
a far superior quarterback than Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew.
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And then they draft probably the most exciting offensive player
in college football the last couple of years in Ashton Genty.
So now there's excitement for that as well. So, yes,
there's there's a huge amount of excitement for Pete Carroll,
but it's been it's what they've done since he took
over that I think has really captured the imagination of
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the fans. It wasn't just the coach. They're coming out
there to root for the coach. It's the coach making
all these great changes that Raider fans believe, you know,
we'll dramatically improve the football team.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You mentioned Genty, So who's gonna have the biggest impact
as a rookie. Let's say Omari and Hampton for the
Chargers or Genty for the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm gonna say Genty. I think that And I was
a big fan of Lamari and Hampton at North Carolina.
But there's something really special about Ashton Genty. And it's
funny because you mentioned Pete Carroll, and you know in
the Times that he's talked about about Ashton. And let's
remember Pete Carroll was Pete Carroll was on a staff
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in Minnesota with Bud Grant. That's how far That's how
long he's been coaching. So whether he's coached some of
the great running backs or coached against some of the
great running backs, he's pretty much seen some of the
greatest running backs that have played in the NFL over
the last three or four decades. Right, So when he
starts talking about Ashton, he goes, well, he kinda and
you can see the excitement in his head or his
face as he goes through his memory bank try to
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compare him to some of the other backs. And then
he always stops short because I think he feels like
I'm not gonna put that kind of pressure out of
but I but in his head, I know who he's
thinking of. Marshall Fox, Laedamian, Tomlinson, you know, Barry Sanders.
These are guys that you're you can legitimately compare Ashton.
So obviously he's got to put it out there on
the field. But this is a very special talent that
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I think is going to make a huge impact in
the NFL. And I think that I would be surprised
if he wasn't in the running for Offensive Rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But does he think about about him coaching Reggie Bush?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's another one. Yeah, absolutely, on one thousand percent. And
I think that you know, when you look at Ashton,
I think he projects more as a down in and
down out back than than Reggie was coming out of college.
So I think I think for that respect, it's more
along the lines of of you know, uh, your real
Barry Sanders and your Marshawn Lynch's guys that he feels
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like he could give the ball to the twenty twenty
five times a game. Uh, and and it'll be that
running game we'll take off as a result.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Alright, let's talk charges for a second, Anny Athletics says
they are the most underrated team in the NFL headed
in the season. Do you agree. How goold do you
think they'll be this year? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think that that that that that's that that's about right.
They're gonna be really good. And they just did a
top fifty players that the Raiders are going to face
this year. Uh, and they had they had their their
their share of players on that top fifty list facing
facing the Raiders. And obviously starts with Justin Herbert and
you look at what he did. Now he's got to
carry it over from the regular season to the playoffs.
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That's really the next step for him because you look
at his stats last year. First year with with Jim Harbor,
they were spectacular. They they they got into the playoffs.
You know, we all understand what happened in the playoffs.
But I think that maybe because of that, some people
are are you know, not giving them their their credit.
But when you bring in an Amri and Hampton, it's
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a year two with Jim Harbaugh, I think the vision
is starting to to really come together. What they want
to do, what they want to be about. I really
like their offensive line. When you talk about Joe alt
Uh and Slater over on the other side. That's pretty
much as good as it gets in terms of a
tackle duo. So so there's a lot of reasons. I
think you excited about the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, so and and now let's let's let's go to
the to the Rams. I mean, what do you feel
about the Rams? And and you had first hand knowledge
of DeVante Adams in in in Las Vegas. I keep
wanting to say Oakland, but Las Vegas. But now he's
with the Rams in Matthew Stafford. He seems to thrive
with a veteran quarterback that they kind of get on
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the same page and and what he wants. I feel
like he was even though he had some numbers in
in Las Vegas. But he feels like a guy that
thrives with a veteran quarterback. So he and Matt Stafford,
it feels to me that this is going to be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I completely agree. And really you look back to
last year where you know, he missed some games here
with the Raiders and that got traded in October to
the New York Jets, you know, and you kind of
forgot about him because the Jets weren't all that good,
but you go back and look at the stats and
he still had over a thousand yard receiving. So that's
with that's with mediocre quarterback play here in Las Vegas,
and you know Aaron Rodgers, it took it still took
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him a little bit of time and he just wasn't
the Aaron Rodgers that that we remember. But DeVante was
still getting his numbers. So now you put him with
Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay, and I don't think you
could come up with a better draw up a better
situation for Devanta Adams or the Rams than that situation situation.
And so for a guy that wants to finish things
off on the right foot and make a Super Bowl run,
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which I believe that they will with the Rams, it
couldn't have worked out better. And honestly, I think rom
fans are in for a treat. He's a really good
football player, very smart football player. He cares, he wants
to win. There's somebody that works harder. So I felt
bad for him and I would talk to him about this.
It just wasn't what he thought it was going to be.
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And he's lost a couple of years, three years really
because of that. But this guy's still somebody that can
play football at a high, high level.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Vennyam wondering, how do you see the Bengals and Shamar
Stewart playing out. There's rumor that he's even flirting with
going back to Texas A and M. I don't even
know if you can do that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the Bengals are. We had Lee Steinberg on our show,
and you know, he brought up the Bengals as probably
the toughest team to do business with as an agent
from an agent's perspective, and that's never going to change
as long as that family owns owns the Bengals. They
do things at their own pace, in their own way.
They don't budge, they never have, they never will. And
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we're seeing that with Jay Henderson. We're seeing that now
with the young rookie from Texas A and M. And
I can imagine that. You know that he's not happy
about it. And you got to understand too that you know,
you mentioned him going back to college. These guys made
money in college. You know, it's not these bright eyed
oh my god, you write me any check. I'm going
to be happy with that. You know, not that that
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was ever really the case, but it was a lot
different then than it is now. Where you've guys, You've
got guys that are coming into have already seen the money,
big time money at that So I was supposed to
be making more here or this or or substantially more here,
and this is what you're offering me, and this is
how you're structuring the contract, because a lot of it
has to do with that as well. I can imagine
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some of the misgivings that he has whether he's going
to go back to college though that's.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Kenny Kenny Vinny. Is that even legal to go back
to college?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think No, I think not to my knowledge, Rodney. No,
he's I'm pretty sure he's signed with an agent.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Any And once you declare for the draft and a
team draft, I would find it hard for for for
a team to spend that kind of you know, collateral
on a draft or cachier on a draft pick and
then that guy go back to college. I just won't
happen once you declare you're in, I would believe, because
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the NFL is not going to allow that to happen
because too many guys would do that and say, oh,
I didn't get drafted to the right team, so I'm
going back to college.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That can absolutely exactly if you follow the third round,
all of a sudden you're saying, you know that money
compared to my nil money is two different things. I'm
going back to college. There's got to be a provision
that this allows that. So I mean, maybe he could
go be the the honorary coach and get some nil
money out of that, But I don't see any way
that he's going to be able to go back and
play and actually, you know, make substantial money doing doing that.
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So he's kind of stuck unless he wants you to
sit this year out and re enter the draft next year.
But you know, you got to figure that cooler heads
will prevail. And you know, if I'm Joe Burrow and
you know all the wide receivers there and everyone else,
you know, I'm probably going into the general manager's office
or somebody's office probably goes above the general manager and saying, hey,
let's get this done. This is a good football team.
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They just need some help defensively. Now, that was a
historically good offense that they that they put on the
field last year. They just couldn't stop anybody, and now
they invest a high draft pick in somebody that can
actually help them stop people. And he and Trey Henderson
that they're kind of flowballing that, you know, get these
guys signed. If you want to really maximize Joe Burrows's greatness,
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which he is I think the top two quarterback in
this league, you got to do right by him by
putting the right people around him. And that starts with
at this point, after getting there all the offensive guys
in order, it starts with fixing your defense.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Then he had a top of draft picks. Only two
draft picks in the second round of signed with their teams.
They both got guaranteed contracts. Thirty players have held out
hoping for the same thing. Who's going to blink first?
Here the teams are the players.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well, we already saw one more player signed yesterday and
it was for partially guaranteed it he didn't get the
full guarantee. It was somewhere in the forties. I forget
exactly where that pick was. I heard that pick number
fifty seven is close to signing today, and I don't
think it's going to be a full guaranteed there. So
you know, somebody, I would think that in this case,
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it's going to be the players that that you know
blank just a little bit. They'll probably end up with
more historically more guaranteed money on their deals compared to
every other second rounder in the history of the league. Really,
and this all changed in twenty eleven when the new
collective partnering agreement at twenty eleven, they put a rookie
pay scale in. And that's just how it works. Is
where you get drafted, this is which you get paid.
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Second rounders never had all four years guaranteed. I'm not
quite sure what Houston's position was when they did that
for their guy, but it is what it is, and
it's really affected everybody behind him. But I think we're
starting to see the damn break a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Benny, what's your what's your outlook for Let's let's just
give it for the Raiders, the Chargers, the Rams for
this year. What are you are you optimistic for all
those teams? I mean, what do you rank to do
extremely well? And maybe surprise us when you talked about
the three teams that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I think the Rams are certifiable Super Bowl caliber,
So I think they would be number one. I think
that the Chargers are still a work in progress, you know,
with Jim Harbor, but I think they've made major strides
over the last couple of years, and I think they're
you know, firmly a playoff contending team. Now they are
going to have to deal with a more difficult schedule
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this year. We'll see how they how they manage all that.
It'll be really interesting to see that that season opener
here are the home opener here on Monday night, between
the Raiders and Charger, I think they're going to tell
us a lot about where, you know, how far both
teams have grown since the end of last year. And
I'll put the Raiders on the promising side. I'm not
predicting any Super Bowls or guarantee any playoffs, but it
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would be hard for me as long as they, you know,
they stay relatively healthy, it would be hard for me
not to see them at least doubling their win total
for the last year, and that goes from four to eight,
you know, with a chance to win niner or ten games.
So I do think that what Pete Carroll and John
Spytech and Tom Brady as well, I always got to
mention him the changes that they've made and the direction
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and and and and the tlend that they brought in
is gonna it's gonna change things on the field for them,
and they're going to make a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
All right, Well, Vennie, thank you for stepping in our
direction today. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
All right, guys, have a good one and the season
is here. Can't wait?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
All right? That does our buddy Vinnie bon signor. We
never want anybody to be stressed, but apparently the Lakers
are stressed. And we'll talk about it next.
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
Fly Robin Fly, Let's go, Rodney p Fred Rogan. Beautiful Tuesday,
I mean not Tuesday is Thursday. Fred, It's a throwback Thursday.
Yes it is. Oh my god, time is flying man.
Time is flying. Let's go, Hey, we don't want to
see anybody stressed. I don't. I just don't like it.
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You don't need to deal with that anxiety. That's stress.
Why put yourself through it? But Brian Windhorse says, the
Lakers are stressed, and here's what they're stressed about. Is
Luca going to sign that extension? Is Luca going to
play ball and sign the extension. That's what he's stressed about.
He says the Lakers could be stressed about. He's eligible
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to sign a four year, two hundred and twenty two
million dollar extension on August second, but according to wind Horse,
there's no guarantee he'll take that deal. The athletics John
Holliger earlier this month reported he might take a shorter
deal that would make him eligible for thirty five percent
of the cap space once he reaches it's the ten
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year veteran status in the summer of twenty eight. So
there you go. Their concerned he's not going to sign
the big deal. He'll just sign a couple of years
and then get out so he can go for the
big money, the multi supermax. Well, what can he do now?
Is I heard there was a report that he can
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sign a max for because he got traded obviously from Dallas.
That that that limited his his money. But he could
still sign for something like two hundred plus million dollars, right, yeah, yeah,
he can sign four years to twenty nine August seven
on August second, yeah, okay, or wait, or sign a
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just saying what a two year deal and then wait
and wait and try to get a super max later? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Or option three is he plays out this next season,
becomes a free agent and there's a courting process in
the off season where I think there's ten or eleven
teams that would have enough caps to sign him to
a max deal.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But but that max deal would not be the supermax deal, correct, No,
that is correct. So the max deal he would get
somewhere else if he did that. But the but the
but the max what he can sign with the Lakers
is two twenty nine, four year, two twenty nine, Right,
what he said, if he plays it out this year,
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what is the max he could sign with somebody else?
That's what you have to wait another year before he
can really get that. He can't get the supermax until
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's regardless of what he signs with twenty eight. He
will not be eligible for the super Max until twenty
twenty eight, regardless of where he is.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So whatever deal he signs with anybody at this point,
he's only gonna want to deal it'll carry him to
twenty twenty eight, because then he'll he'll opt out. It's
his call in twenty eight. Yeah, So the most he
would do with the Lakers is a three year deal, yeah,
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or you know, we get the four but finally he
opts out it's his option, and then he goes for
the big money, which is insane because this is big
money and he could do that with any team in
twenty eight. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, but if you
believe you could problem with him in the Dallas, would
he if he stayed in Dallas, he could have did
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this offseason he could add the supermax, right.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I believe he can only sign the supermax with your
incumbent team.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right, So if he was stayed in Dallas, they didn't
trade him, Which is why the big controversy was that
they traded him, is that he would have been eligible
for the Supermax this summer.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Right, So if the twenty eight plan is to work
out the way that we wanted to. If he were
to leave the Lakers, he would leave before the summer
of twenty eight, go to another team, then sign the
Supermax extension with that team.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Right, well, how much more? Maybe I'm not understanding. Let's
say he just plays this year with the Lakers and
he's done, he's a free agent, he gets quartered by everybody.
Then what's the most he can make per year? Then?
Because he can't make the Supermax? So would he be
making the same amount of money he would be making
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with the Lakers per year before he could go for
the big, big money.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well at all escades, So I do know. So prior
to the trade, if he had stayed with Dallas and
signed for as much as he cop possibly could have
at that time, it would have been three hundred and
forty five million dollars on a five year contract. Yeah,
that's how much he could have made if he had.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Have made if and they not traded him right this summer. Correct,
But now that they traded him, he's got to pay
some more dues.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Four years to twenty eight is all he can get
right now, I say all he can get?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, all, yeah, right, right right? Or or wait to
twenty twenty eight, and he can sign a super max
with anybody. Right. Here's the thing. So let's say you say, man,
you better take two twenty nine right now. I don't
know what you're thinking about. Take it. But what if
he get hurt? You know, then you'll have the money.
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I think. Here's the deal with Luka Nancis. He's getting
the money no matter what. If he had a bad
year this year and and bent on himself and played
it out and became a free agent, what do you
think his market value is going to be crushed. He's
going to make a lot of money. So what really
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comes down to? Does he like Los Angeles? That's really
what it comes down to. Yeah, like it, barn Bar.
Even if he god forbid Tears's achilles, or he gets
blown out and misses the season, he's still young enough
that somebody's gonna pay him whatever they want. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Of course, Kawhi Leonard played an entire playoff series in Toronto,
won one leg, and still got a Max contract from
the Clippers in a free agency. So what So that's
how that someone who's that talented, unless he literally.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Has a title, they want a title too.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Oh they did, But I'm saying even if they hadn't,
I mean, teams are willing to bet on guys who
are great, exceptional players and hoping that they can get
healthy and still be the sort of player that they
were before, even in the midst of having a devastating injury.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So what's the danger here? What's the danger if he
just plays it out? He's going to get paid after
the season. And I think it comes down to do
you like it here? Pretty simple? Do you like it,
you like the facilities, you like the coach, do you
like the organization. If the answer is yes, then sign
the bigger deal and just put opt outs in there.
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If the answer is no, then play this season out
and go see what's available. What can you? Yeah, what
can you? What can't you buy? With two hundred and
twenty nine million, then three hundred and forty five million,
five yearpoints? Yeah exactly, So I you know, you don't
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want to put yourself in anybody else's shoes, But sign
a three year deal with the Lakers for whatever is
what is it? Two twenty nine is what we're saying. Yeah,
nine for three years. Sign the deal with the Lakers,
and then at that end of that deal, now you're
eligible for the Supermax, and at that point it could
be four hundred million dollars. Yeah, but again it comes
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down to this sign here, take your money. You'll really
have a sample size of what you think, how you
like it. Then you'll be up for the Supermax. If
you're not sure right now. If you're here but you're
not really sure, play the season out, go into free agency.
But people talk to you. Doesn't mean you can't come
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back to the Lakers. Here's the wildcard. Here's the wildcard.
When Mark Walter takes over, those guys take over, and
I understand Genie's going to be there for I think
five years. Is the governor. I think it's a ceremonial
role quite frankly. I mean, these guys just spend ten
billion bucks. They're gonna run the team. She'll certainly have input,
but they're gonna make decisions on what's best for business.
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If you're unsure, play it out and then wait till
the Dodger guys come in and take over and see
how things change, because they will change. They'll change in
ways we can't tell. They'll change behind the scenes. To start,
more people will work there, their analytics department, will be better.
They'll probably have more scouts, so they will do things
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behind the scenes that will mean a lot to players,
but not to fans because you won't even know they're
doing it. But if you're a Lakers, if you want
them to play one more year and be a free agent, no,
oh my god, no, that's the last thing you want. Yeah,
but maybe he's thinking that because Lebron's got one more year.
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If Lebron is gone, Let's see who have played out
Lebron's gone, and what did the Lakers look like post Lebron.
It's just gonna be me, what are they doing? I
don't know what. I don't want to sign and be
locked into a three year deal and Lebron has done
after this year and all of a sudden, we're back
to rebuilding. That's why they had a private meeting with him,
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and Lebron wasn't there to talk about those kinds of things,
to see where he's at, see what he's thinking. And
that does lead us to Lebron the speculation, Well, you know,
the Lakers didn't offer an extension, he didn't ask for him.
What does it mean. I think it's a little lot.
Nobody said what it means well well, because to me
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and I, you're off when I said this, if Lebron's retiring,
he deserves an enormous uh goodbye tour. But I don't
think he's retiring. I don't think he has any intention
of retiring. I think he would let people know this
will be my final year. You think so, I don't
know if he's the kind of guy that would do that. Oh,
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you don't think he'd want to, I don't. I don't
know if he says because if he says it, I
don't know if people believe it. I don't know if
people believe that he would say, this is my final year.
I'm going on this farewell tour and give me. Gimme, gimme,
gimme as I you know, go visit all these cities.
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Because he's the kind of guy that would say I
got one more, I got one more and left in me.
I got one more left in me, I got one
more left in me. So I don't know how many
people would actually believe that this would be a farewell tour.
I think he's I think he's a guy that will
say after a season, I'm done. You don't think he'll
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want the big goodbye tour. I think I think he
wants it, but I think in his camp because he
it's it's so year to year. If you say it,
the the fallout for trying to do a farewell tour
and then you come back again is worse. No, you
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got to be ready to go if you're do it. Yeah,
you got to be ready to go. And I don't
know if he's ever going to be really totally ready
to go unless he plays a season go, I can't
do it anymore. I got to shut it down.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
That's the interesting thing, because when Kobe did it, we
knew he was on his last legs. He hadn't played
well in four years or whatever it was. He said
he was tired of rehabbing and getting ready for the season.
Lebron James is playing at such a high level it
might be in the back of his mind at the
end of every season. I can play at that level
even long, I can do it some more, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
So if that does make sense, and he might not
know until an offseason hits whether or not he's actually
ready to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, if that's the case, he's not ready to do
it now.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I would not certainly not fifty three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Certainly not ready to do it now. Still in the
top ten players of in the league right now, get
your fifty three, but this will be your final year.
He's not ready to do that now, So that decision
will be made. What I'm saying is those decisions for
him will be made in the off season, waiting end
of the season, and that means there's no guarantee that
he will retire with the Lakers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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So he'll go through a season and go. Man, those
those months of February and March, they were grueling. I
don't know if I can do this again and shut
it down. I don't know if he goes into a
season because of the way he works in the offseason
and gets ready for a season that he says, this
is gonna be my last year, because I don't think
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he knows all right. What should they do with the
All Star Game? I actually enjoyed it? But should they
reform the All Star Game? Let's talk about that next.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
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Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh, let's go, Freddy, come on throw Back Thursday, Let's go.
I wasn't here yesterday. I'd like the All Star Game.
I did. I love to swing off. That's what we need.
That's what we need. We need to swing off. We
need things like that in the All Star Game. I yeah,
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Jonas and I were talking about that. I thought it
was fantastic. I thought the swing off and and the
fact that most people didn't even know that that was
gonna happen. I don't even we talked about that. I
don't even most of the players knew. I know it
was predetermined. I guess what they said quote predetermined that
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the guys were gonna swing. But it's hard to have
Otani and Judge swing and when they're already on a
plane back home, you know, from leaving the game. But
I thought it was great and a lot of people
didn't know that that was going to happen. Did you know,
did you did you get any indication that if the
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game is tied, we're going to go to a swing off? No? No,
it was kind of like home run derby I think
they can't. Well this they couldn't have made up on
the spot. But home run Derby they did. They made
up home run Derby when uh who Uh Rooker actually
cal Raleigh? Yeah, but they know Raleigh. His home run
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went like two inches further than Rooker. So no one
even knew what that meant. No, and how did really
measure that? Yeah, they don't know this. They had to know. Uh.
When people said, well, you got to change the All
Star Game around, make it different, now, that was great.
It was fun. Clayton was to me, fantastic Clayton Kershaw
pitching and talking. That was the best. His dialogue with
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with Smokes and John and Joe Davis was was a
highlight of of the All Star Game. What do you
want here? Smoltzi, what do you want? We talked about, Yes,
what do you want here? Smosey and Son's supposed to
give me a cutter? Give me He's like, I don't
have a cutter, SMOLTI. I'm throwing a slider. It was great.
It was great TV. He really was. And he struck
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the guy out and yeah I think it was Vlad Guerrero.
Yeah it was, but but that was perfect. And then
for Dave to go get him and now, you know,
get him at this at the second out as opposed
to letting finish the any and I thought it was
great because he can get the ovation and somebody else
can come in and it and it ended on a strikeout,
which was great. Yeah, it was great. So I like
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the All Star Game. I don't know what you have
to do to change. Swing off was exciting, though, it's
very exciting. They should do that in the regular season, Schwarber.
You think they're going to set up Oh yeah, I know,
you knew that was coming instead of the runner on
second base, which they just implemented Fred, which I think
is pretty good. You want to do a swing off
instead of putting that run or second base, Bri.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It's not alone. Justin Turner brought this up to that's
how he wants the games to end. It that if
they go to extras, let's go swing off.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Home run derby. It's great. I mean, it is just great.
That was good TV. That was fun to watch. Everybody
had a good time. Now it's for the home run derby.
You know the question of why won't Otani hit, Why
won't Judge hit? I think Otani made a good point,
and Bill Shaking of the time said, you know what
you need in the home run derby better bat flips. No, no, Bill,
(36:29):
you don't need better bat flips. But old TONI made
a good point. How about it. We just have so
many swings, not so much time. Get up there. You
got ten body gets twenty five swings or whatever it
may be, right, he wouldn't even want that many. Well, well,
you gotta have so many per round, right. If you
go back, you know, you can't have ten swings. Everybody
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gets ten and whoever hits the most out of ten swings,
come on. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
The old format, excuse me, was ten outs. So if
you got ten outs, and if you did you had
ten swings where you didn't hit a home run, than
you were done.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Good. Get ten outs, right, So.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
That's all it was before. I don't know if it
was twenty fourteen or fifteen when they changed it to
now where they have timed rounds.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, I like it. I don't like the time rounds.
I like the outs. I like you know, guys kind
of Okay, let me let me give my situation right,
let me get everything right, and I'm gonna take my
time with this and get if ten outs ten outs,
everybody gets ten outs. And if that's the case, maybe
these guys have been more apt to play. Maybe they're
concerned that they're hitting so fast so often that they
(37:33):
can hurt themselves. Yeah, and the timing thing makes you
go faster too, you know, Oh, I got three minutes
to hit the I gotta get as many as I can.
And no, no, just make it outs so you're not rushed. Yeah,
not swinging rapid fire like they're doing now. No. So
but overall I thought it was great. I mean, the
Whome run derby was what it was, but they all
(37:55):
start game was terrific. Just fun. It's just fun. They
make it seem fun, they make it seem enjoy. Fox
does a great job producing it. It's great. I don't
think I changed much Kevin in the All Star Game.
The miked up the Yeah, the miked up pictures were great.
I thought that was fantastic being being able to hear
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Kershaw on what he was thinking. And oh my god,
that was right down the middle. Thank god he didn't swing.
I mean, that was that was good stuff that he did,
really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
The position players Jacob Wilson him miked up and his
father in the stands miked up while he's out in
the field. I thought that was pretty cool. So that's
something they haven't done before, at least that I can
ever recall. Well, they've had a parent of a player
on the field and that both miked up at the
same time. It can interact. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah,
they buy something new every year. I try to, like,
you know, drum up some interest or do something a
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little bit different.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I'll tell you that represented himself really well with Pete
Tarl Armstrong. Yeah he did. He Wow, he doesn't sound
like a kid. I'll tell you that he really represented himself.
Gets it. Yeah, he gets it, you know, valley kids,
Southern California kid, he gets it. He gets the history
of it, he gets it. He gets it all. He's
(39:08):
got the swagger. He's taken Chicago by storm, right and
the young kids love him, love him, and he is
he's feeding into all of that. I think it's great.
Also thought cal Raley and his dad pitching to him
and his brother catching was the highlight of the of
the home run derby for sure. Yeah, just really a
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very nice weekend for Major League Baseball. And tomorrow they
get back to it.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So before we go. So, of all the sports, easily
Major League Baseball does it better when it comes to
All Star festivities, right yeah? I mean people, I know,
the Four Nations got people really excited for the NHL sure,
and maybe they're in second.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But the NFL All Star though, we call that it
just a different event.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Well it kind of took the place of the All
Star Game. So I guess if you just would, just
for argument's sake, you just want to call it whatever.
The NHL's version of the All Star Game is turned
into the Four Nations.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, the mid season event, right yeah, So now I
think it's ranked baseball hockey. Basketball is not even competitive.
I mean, basketball is just above the NFL skills competition.
After they got rid of their All Star Game, it's
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just barely above it. They really have to fix that.
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Oh, I gotta get them more money, you know, just
steff some more money into my mink coat. That's all
I need. I'm never gonna let them live that down.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
By the way, what's the greatest line wearing his mink
coat and his gold chain and we need more money.
Got that what's funny, all right? You ever feel it's way,
you're on top of the world, then why are you
so alone? That's next.
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan and Rodney Pete
on AM five to seventy LA Sports. So the Chargers
open camp, the Lions open camp early to get rid
of the Hall of Fame game. Here comes football season.
Here's the problem, here's the problem in Los Angeles. Everywhere
in the country, this is it. This is the beginning
(00:21):
as camp's open. There is nothing bigger than the NFL.
But when you live in Los Angeles and you have
the Dodgers, sure people are just in the NFL. Of course,
I'm not saying they're not. I don't really think that
peak interest in football in this market gets started in
Rodney till the Dodger season is over. I think the
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majority of people are focused on the Dodgers here to
the Dodgers season is over. So you're saying not until
the end of October early November. Yeah, I mean when
it really gets a fevered pitch like it is everywhere
else in the country, maybe I'll buy I'll buy that
(01:09):
a little bit perfectly. And and maybe maybe it's because, yeah,
there's there's not a football team in this market professionally
that gets the juice is flowing like the Dodgers do everybody.
I mean, the Dodgers are at that point when the
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football season opens. The Dodgers are in the in the
final swing and getting ready for the playoffs. So everybody's
excited about them. But I get that. But I will
say when the U s c Is hot, there was
an excitement getting ready for the USC season. Now that
(01:52):
hasn't happened for a while since Pete Carroll was here, really,
but there was an excitement for opening day for USC
more so than it was for any NFL team that
was in town. And I guess I would tend to
agree with you that it's kind of a whole home
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opening to the NFL in this town because the Doggies are
going to be in a playoff run. All right, let's
find out from a guy that worked here, lived here
now of course, covers the Raiders in Vegas. It's our
good friend VINNYE. Bonsen. Anny, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm doing great, great conversation. Are we talking about the
opening of the season or the opening of camp?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, opening of training camp? Really and register, let's just
be honest like it does in other places. Now, let's
go to the opening of the season. Is there excitement? Sure?
Are people fired up. Yes, but I'm just saying I
don't think the market gets as wound up over the
NFL as other markets do until the Dodger season is over.
(02:58):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I would say so. However, I know on our show
we get a lot of calls from Southern California of
Arden Raider fans who are beside themselves with excitement about
training camp, you know, for the Raiders, and I would
imagine that there's Ram fans who feel that same way,
and maybe to a lesser extent, Charger fans that feel
that same way. So I'm certainly over the last couple
(03:22):
of weeks feeling the excitement. And we do get a
lot of calls from from the Los Angeles area in
southern California in general of Raider fans that are fired
up about this season. With Pete Carroll and I would
also say this, it's so disperse, so diverse in terms
of the average NFL fan in Los Angeles. All thirty
two teams are represented among those fans. It's just how,
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you know, because people moved out to Los Angeles from
elsewhere and you know, maintained their allegiances to their former teams,
or there was also the generation and a half to
almost two generations that grew up without a football team
to really root for and became by proxy the hands
of the Cowboys and the Giants and the New England Patriots,
et cetera, et cetera. So you might not be steeling
it as much as there is. There is excitement, but
(04:08):
it's just so spread out among Eagles fans and Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, but Benny, you know that, you know, Yeah, I
get what you're saying, and you get the diehard Raider fans.
But in terms of other cities, when you you look
at Philadelphia getting ready for the season, it's I mean,
Phillies are doing well. Phillies can make the World Series.
They can, They're making a run. They're a great organization.
They've been in the mix for the last what five
six seven years, But it's all about the Eagles training
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camp getting ready to start and the Eagles making a
run for back to back titles. I L A. L
A is a little bit different. LA is a little
bit different because you're gonna have the die hards obviously,
But in terms of the city getting really excited about
football season at this point, it's not like Philly or
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even Dallas or some of the other places around town
Denver getting ready for the Broncos to start.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I agree, and I think it's because all of those
cities that you just mentioned are are for one team,
that team, the team that's in that's in you know,
that that market, whereas in Los Angeles it's you don't
feel it necessarily because it's so it is so spread out,
and obviously I don't know when it will take, but
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you would you would imagine that, you know, maybe twenty
years down the road, the Rams will have that sort
of support, that sort of unified support in Los Angeles,
although I don't know that it'll ever be like that
in Los Angeles because there's so many fans of so
many other teams that those hardcore fans of those teams
are are excited about training camp. But it's it's spread
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out amongst you know, two main teams in Los Angeles
and really one main team in the Rams, and also
the Raiders obviously, and then and then everybody else. So
it's it's it's kind of a weird dynamic in Los Angeles,
and I'm not quite sure it will ever be the
way it is in Philadelphia. Or Minnesota or some of
the other more ardent teams that have been in their
markets for for you know, almost one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Benny Rams missed out on Jalen Ramsey. Does that affect
their playoff ceiling at all in your mind?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
No, I don't. I don't think so. And you know,
nothing against Jalen Ramsey, but but you know, here's a
guy that what is he on his fourth team now?
Three teams have traded him away. There's usually something to
read into that if we're being if we're being honest,
you know, he's coming off some injuries, He's being paid
a lot of money. So I don't. I don't know
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that he's a difference maker that that he's been in
the past. I think you're gonna fit pretty well in Pittsburgh.
But but I don't. I don't. I don't see him
and I don't think that a whole lot of people
see him as this massive difference maker.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting with him, with with with Jalen Ramsey.
Got start with the Raiders, Vinny. The excitement over Pete
Carroll is he is he the draw for the Raiders
right now? I mean, I know they've got some new
guys in and they've signed some guys, but it's Pete
Carroll really the excitement for the Raider brand right now
(07:16):
than any other player in.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
A way, yes, but it was fortified by the moves
that were made since Pete Carroll, you know, has become
the head coach and John Spytek the general manager. Carroll
led to Gino Smith. There's a lot of excitement for
the floor that got raised in the quarterback room compared
to what was here last year. Gino Smith is just
a far superior quarterback than Aidan O'Connell and Gardner Minshew.
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And then they draft probably the most exciting offensive player
in college football the last couple of years in Ashton Genty.
So now there's excitement for that as well. So, yes,
there's there's a huge amount of excitement for Pete Carroll,
but it's been it's what they've done since he took
over that I think has really captured the imagination of
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the fans. It wasn't just the coach. They're coming out
there to root for the coach. It's the coach making
all these great changes that Raider fans believe, you know,
we'll dramatically improve the football team.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You mentioned Genty, So who's gonna have the biggest impact
as a rookie. Let's say Omari and Hampton for the
Chargers or Genty for the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I'm gonna say Genty. I think that And I was
a big fan of Lamari and Hampton at North Carolina.
But there's something really special about Ashton Genty. And it's
funny because you mentioned Pete Carroll, and you know in
the Times that he's talked about about Ashton. And let's
remember Pete Carroll was Pete Carroll was on a staff
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in Minnesota with Bud Grant. That's how far That's how
long he's been coaching. So whether he's coached some of
the great running backs or coached against some of the
great running backs, he's pretty much seen some of the
greatest running backs that have played in the NFL over
the last three or four decades. Right, So when he
starts talking about Ashton, he goes, well, he kinda and
you can see the excitement in his head or his
face as he goes through his memory bank try to
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compare him to some of the other backs. And then
he always stops short because I think he feels like
I'm not gonna put that kind of pressure out of
but I but in his head, I know who he's
thinking of. Marshall Fox, Laedamian, Tomlinson, you know, Barry Sanders.
These are guys that you're you can legitimately compare Ashton.
So obviously he's got to put it out there on
the field. But this is a very special talent that
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I think is going to make a huge impact in
the NFL. And I think that I would be surprised
if he wasn't in the running for Offensive Rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But does he think about about him coaching Reggie Bush?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's another one. Yeah, absolutely, on one thousand percent. And
I think that you know, when you look at Ashton,
I think he projects more as a down in and
down out back than than Reggie was coming out of college.
So I think I think for that respect, it's more
along the lines of of you know, uh, your real
Barry Sanders and your Marshawn Lynch's guys that he feels
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like he could give the ball to the twenty twenty
five times a game. Uh, and and it'll be that
running game we'll take off as a result.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Alright, let's talk charges for a second, Anny Athletics says
they are the most underrated team in the NFL headed
in the season. Do you agree. How goold do you
think they'll be this year? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think that that that that that's that that's about right.
They're gonna be really good. And they just did a
top fifty players that the Raiders are going to face
this year. Uh, and they had they had their their
their share of players on that top fifty list facing
facing the Raiders. And obviously starts with Justin Herbert and
you look at what he did. Now he's got to
carry it over from the regular season to the playoffs.
(10:36):
That's really the next step for him because you look
at his stats last year. First year with with Jim Harbor,
they were spectacular. They they they got into the playoffs.
You know, we all understand what happened in the playoffs.
But I think that maybe because of that, some people
are are you know, not giving them their their credit.
But when you bring in an Amri and Hampton, it's
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a year two with Jim Harbaugh, I think the vision
is starting to to really come together. What they want
to do, what they want to be about. I really
like their offensive line. When you talk about Joe alt
Uh and Slater over on the other side. That's pretty
much as good as it gets in terms of a
tackle duo. So so there's a lot of reasons. I
think you excited about the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, so and and now let's let's let's go to
the to the Rams. I mean, what do you feel
about the Rams? And and you had first hand knowledge
of DeVante Adams in in in Las Vegas. I keep
wanting to say Oakland, but Las Vegas. But now he's
with the Rams in Matthew Stafford. He seems to thrive
with a veteran quarterback that they kind of get on
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the same page and and what he wants. I feel
like he was even though he had some numbers in
in Las Vegas. But he feels like a guy that
thrives with a veteran quarterback. So he and Matt Stafford,
it feels to me that this is going to be
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I completely agree. And really you look back to
last year where you know, he missed some games here
with the Raiders and that got traded in October to
the New York Jets, you know, and you kind of
forgot about him because the Jets weren't all that good,
but you go back and look at the stats and
he still had over a thousand yard receiving. So that's
with that's with mediocre quarterback play here in Las Vegas,
and you know Aaron Rodgers, it took it still took
(12:21):
him a little bit of time and he just wasn't
the Aaron Rodgers that that we remember. But DeVante was
still getting his numbers. So now you put him with
Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay, and I don't think you
could come up with a better draw up a better
situation for Devanta Adams or the Rams than that situation situation.
And so for a guy that wants to finish things
off on the right foot and make a Super Bowl run,
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which I believe that they will with the Rams, it
couldn't have worked out better. And honestly, I think rom
fans are in for a treat. He's a really good
football player, very smart football player. He cares, he wants
to win. There's somebody that works harder. So I felt
bad for him and I would talk to him about this.
It just wasn't what he thought it was going to be.
(13:03):
And he's lost a couple of years, three years really
because of that. But this guy's still somebody that can
play football at a high, high level.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Vennyam wondering, how do you see the Bengals and Shamar
Stewart playing out. There's rumor that he's even flirting with
going back to Texas A and M. I don't even
know if you can do that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the Bengals are. We had Lee Steinberg on our show,
and you know, he brought up the Bengals as probably
the toughest team to do business with as an agent
from an agent's perspective, and that's never going to change
as long as that family owns owns the Bengals. They
do things at their own pace, in their own way.
They don't budge, they never have, they never will. And
(13:43):
we're seeing that with Jay Henderson. We're seeing that now
with the young rookie from Texas A and M. And
I can imagine that. You know that he's not happy
about it. And you got to understand too that you know,
you mentioned him going back to college. These guys made
money in college. You know, it's not these bright eyed
oh my god, you write me any check. I'm going
to be happy with that. You know, not that that
(14:03):
was ever really the case, but it was a lot
different then than it is now. Where you've guys, You've
got guys that are coming into have already seen the money,
big time money at that So I was supposed to
be making more here or this or or substantially more here,
and this is what you're offering me, and this is
how you're structuring the contract, because a lot of it
has to do with that as well. I can imagine
(14:25):
some of the misgivings that he has whether he's going
to go back to college though that's.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Kenny Kenny Vinny. Is that even legal to go back
to college?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think No, I think not to my knowledge, Rodney. No,
he's I'm pretty sure he's signed with an agent.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Any And once you declare for the draft and a
team draft, I would find it hard for for for
a team to spend that kind of you know, collateral
on a draft or cachier on a draft pick and
then that guy go back to college. I just won't
happen once you declare you're in, I would believe, because
(15:04):
the NFL is not going to allow that to happen
because too many guys would do that and say, oh,
I didn't get drafted to the right team, so I'm
going back to college.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That can absolutely exactly if you follow the third round,
all of a sudden you're saying, you know that money
compared to my nil money is two different things. I'm
going back to college. There's got to be a provision
that this allows that. So I mean, maybe he could
go be the the honorary coach and get some nil
money out of that, But I don't see any way
that he's going to be able to go back and
play and actually, you know, make substantial money doing doing that.
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So he's kind of stuck unless he wants you to
sit this year out and re enter the draft next year.
But you know, you got to figure that cooler heads
will prevail. And you know, if I'm Joe Burrow and
you know all the wide receivers there and everyone else,
you know, I'm probably going into the general manager's office
or somebody's office probably goes above the general manager and saying, hey,
let's get this done. This is a good football team.
(15:56):
They just need some help defensively. Now, that was a
historically good offense that they that they put on the
field last year. They just couldn't stop anybody, and now
they invest a high draft pick in somebody that can
actually help them stop people. And he and Trey Henderson
that they're kind of flowballing that, you know, get these
guys signed. If you want to really maximize Joe Burrows's greatness,
(16:16):
which he is I think the top two quarterback in
this league, you got to do right by him by
putting the right people around him. And that starts with
at this point, after getting there all the offensive guys
in order, it starts with fixing your defense.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Then he had a top of draft picks. Only two
draft picks in the second round of signed with their teams.
They both got guaranteed contracts. Thirty players have held out
hoping for the same thing. Who's going to blink first?
Here the teams are the players.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well, we already saw one more player signed yesterday and
it was for partially guaranteed it he didn't get the
full guarantee. It was somewhere in the forties. I forget
exactly where that pick was. I heard that pick number
fifty seven is close to signing today, and I don't
think it's going to be a full guaranteed there. So
you know, somebody, I would think that in this case,
(17:05):
it's going to be the players that that you know
blank just a little bit. They'll probably end up with
more historically more guaranteed money on their deals compared to
every other second rounder in the history of the league. Really,
and this all changed in twenty eleven when the new
collective partnering agreement at twenty eleven, they put a rookie
pay scale in. And that's just how it works. Is
where you get drafted, this is which you get paid.
(17:27):
Second rounders never had all four years guaranteed. I'm not
quite sure what Houston's position was when they did that
for their guy, but it is what it is, and
it's really affected everybody behind him. But I think we're
starting to see the damn break a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Benny, what's your what's your outlook for Let's let's just
give it for the Raiders, the Chargers, the Rams for
this year. What are you are you optimistic for all
those teams? I mean, what do you rank to do
extremely well? And maybe surprise us when you talked about
the three teams that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I think the Rams are certifiable Super Bowl caliber,
So I think they would be number one. I think
that the Chargers are still a work in progress, you know,
with Jim Harbor, but I think they've made major strides
over the last couple of years, and I think they're
you know, firmly a playoff contending team. Now they are
going to have to deal with a more difficult schedule
(18:23):
this year. We'll see how they how they manage all that.
It'll be really interesting to see that that season opener
here are the home opener here on Monday night, between
the Raiders and Charger, I think they're going to tell
us a lot about where, you know, how far both
teams have grown since the end of last year. And
I'll put the Raiders on the promising side. I'm not
predicting any Super Bowls or guarantee any playoffs, but it
(18:44):
would be hard for me as long as they, you know,
they stay relatively healthy, it would be hard for me
not to see them at least doubling their win total
for the last year, and that goes from four to eight,
you know, with a chance to win niner or ten games.
So I do think that what Pete Carroll and John
Spytech and Tom Brady as well, I always got to
mention him the changes that they've made and the direction
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and and and and the tlend that they brought in
is gonna it's gonna change things on the field for them,
and they're going to make a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
All right, Well, Vennie, thank you for stepping in our
direction today. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
All right, guys, have a good one and the season
is here. Can't wait?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
All right? That does our buddy Vinnie bon signor. We
never want anybody to be stressed, but apparently the Lakers
are stressed. And we'll talk about it next.
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
Fly Robin Fly, Let's go, Rodney p Fred Rogan. Beautiful Tuesday,
I mean not Tuesday is Thursday. Fred, It's a throwback Thursday.
Yes it is. Oh my god, time is flying man.
Time is flying. Let's go, Hey, we don't want to
see anybody stressed. I don't. I just don't like it.
(20:19):
You don't need to deal with that anxiety. That's stress.
Why put yourself through it? But Brian Windhorse says, the
Lakers are stressed, and here's what they're stressed about. Is
Luca going to sign that extension? Is Luca going to
play ball and sign the extension. That's what he's stressed about.
He says the Lakers could be stressed about. He's eligible
(20:40):
to sign a four year, two hundred and twenty two
million dollar extension on August second, but according to wind Horse,
there's no guarantee he'll take that deal. The athletics John
Holliger earlier this month reported he might take a shorter
deal that would make him eligible for thirty five percent
of the cap space once he reaches it's the ten
(21:00):
year veteran status in the summer of twenty eight. So
there you go. Their concerned he's not going to sign
the big deal. He'll just sign a couple of years
and then get out so he can go for the
big money, the multi supermax. Well, what can he do now?
Is I heard there was a report that he can
(21:21):
sign a max for because he got traded obviously from Dallas.
That that that limited his his money. But he could
still sign for something like two hundred plus million dollars, right, yeah, yeah,
he can sign four years to twenty nine August seven
on August second, yeah, okay, or wait, or sign a
(21:44):
just saying what a two year deal and then wait
and wait and try to get a super max later? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Or option three is he plays out this next season,
becomes a free agent and there's a courting process in
the off season where I think there's ten or eleven
teams that would have enough caps to sign him to
a max deal.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But but that max deal would not be the supermax deal, correct, No,
that is correct. So the max deal he would get
somewhere else if he did that. But the but the
but the max what he can sign with the Lakers
is two twenty nine, four year, two twenty nine, Right,
what he said, if he plays it out this year,
(22:22):
what is the max he could sign with somebody else?
That's what you have to wait another year before he
can really get that. He can't get the supermax until
twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's regardless of what he signs with twenty eight. He
will not be eligible for the super Max until twenty
twenty eight, regardless of where he is.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So whatever deal he signs with anybody at this point,
he's only gonna want to deal it'll carry him to
twenty twenty eight, because then he'll he'll opt out. It's
his call in twenty eight. Yeah, So the most he
would do with the Lakers is a three year deal, yeah,
(23:03):
or you know, we get the four but finally he
opts out it's his option, and then he goes for
the big money, which is insane because this is big
money and he could do that with any team in
twenty eight. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, but if you
believe you could problem with him in the Dallas, would
he if he stayed in Dallas, he could have did
(23:23):
this offseason he could add the supermax, right.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I believe he can only sign the supermax with your
incumbent team.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right, So if he was stayed in Dallas, they didn't
trade him, Which is why the big controversy was that
they traded him, is that he would have been eligible
for the Supermax this summer.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Right, So if the twenty eight plan is to work
out the way that we wanted to. If he were
to leave the Lakers, he would leave before the summer
of twenty eight, go to another team, then sign the
Supermax extension with that team.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Right, well, how much more? Maybe I'm not understanding. Let's
say he just plays this year with the Lakers and
he's done, he's a free agent, he gets quartered by everybody.
Then what's the most he can make per year? Then?
Because he can't make the Supermax? So would he be
making the same amount of money he would be making
(24:16):
with the Lakers per year before he could go for
the big, big money.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well at all escades, So I do know. So prior
to the trade, if he had stayed with Dallas and
signed for as much as he cop possibly could have
at that time, it would have been three hundred and
forty five million dollars on a five year contract. Yeah,
that's how much he could have made if he had.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Have made if and they not traded him right this summer. Correct,
But now that they traded him, he's got to pay
some more dues.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Four years to twenty eight is all he can get
right now, I say all he can get?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, all, yeah, right, right right? Or or wait to
twenty twenty eight, and he can sign a super max
with anybody. Right. Here's the thing. So let's say you say, man,
you better take two twenty nine right now. I don't
know what you're thinking about. Take it. But what if
he get hurt? You know, then you'll have the money.
(25:07):
I think. Here's the deal with Luka Nancis. He's getting
the money no matter what. If he had a bad
year this year and and bent on himself and played
it out and became a free agent, what do you
think his market value is going to be crushed. He's
going to make a lot of money. So what really
(25:28):
comes down to? Does he like Los Angeles? That's really
what it comes down to. Yeah, like it, barn Bar.
Even if he god forbid Tears's achilles, or he gets
blown out and misses the season, he's still young enough
that somebody's gonna pay him whatever they want. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Of course, Kawhi Leonard played an entire playoff series in Toronto,
won one leg, and still got a Max contract from
the Clippers in a free agency. So what So that's
how that someone who's that talented, unless he literally.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Has a title, they want a title too.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Oh they did, But I'm saying even if they hadn't,
I mean, teams are willing to bet on guys who
are great, exceptional players and hoping that they can get
healthy and still be the sort of player that they
were before, even in the midst of having a devastating injury.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So what's the danger here? What's the danger if he
just plays it out? He's going to get paid after
the season. And I think it comes down to do
you like it here? Pretty simple? Do you like it,
you like the facilities, you like the coach, do you
like the organization. If the answer is yes, then sign
the bigger deal and just put opt outs in there.
(26:44):
If the answer is no, then play this season out
and go see what's available. What can you? Yeah, what
can you? What can't you buy? With two hundred and
twenty nine million, then three hundred and forty five million,
five yearpoints? Yeah exactly, So I you know, you don't
(27:06):
want to put yourself in anybody else's shoes, But sign
a three year deal with the Lakers for whatever is
what is it? Two twenty nine is what we're saying. Yeah,
nine for three years. Sign the deal with the Lakers,
and then at that end of that deal, now you're
eligible for the Supermax, and at that point it could
be four hundred million dollars. Yeah, but again it comes
(27:27):
down to this sign here, take your money. You'll really
have a sample size of what you think, how you
like it. Then you'll be up for the Supermax. If
you're not sure right now. If you're here but you're
not really sure, play the season out, go into free agency.
But people talk to you. Doesn't mean you can't come
(27:48):
back to the Lakers. Here's the wildcard. Here's the wildcard.
When Mark Walter takes over, those guys take over, and
I understand Genie's going to be there for I think
five years. Is the governor. I think it's a ceremonial
role quite frankly. I mean, these guys just spend ten
billion bucks. They're gonna run the team. She'll certainly have input,
but they're gonna make decisions on what's best for business.
(28:13):
If you're unsure, play it out and then wait till
the Dodger guys come in and take over and see
how things change, because they will change. They'll change in
ways we can't tell. They'll change behind the scenes. To start,
more people will work there, their analytics department, will be better.
They'll probably have more scouts, so they will do things
(28:35):
behind the scenes that will mean a lot to players,
but not to fans because you won't even know they're
doing it. But if you're a Lakers, if you want
them to play one more year and be a free agent, no,
oh my god, no, that's the last thing you want. Yeah,
but maybe he's thinking that because Lebron's got one more year.
(28:57):
If Lebron is gone, Let's see who have played out
Lebron's gone, and what did the Lakers look like post Lebron.
It's just gonna be me, what are they doing? I
don't know what. I don't want to sign and be
locked into a three year deal and Lebron has done
after this year and all of a sudden, we're back
to rebuilding. That's why they had a private meeting with him,
(29:20):
and Lebron wasn't there to talk about those kinds of things,
to see where he's at, see what he's thinking. And
that does lead us to Lebron the speculation, Well, you know,
the Lakers didn't offer an extension, he didn't ask for him.
What does it mean. I think it's a little lot.
Nobody said what it means well well, because to me
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and I, you're off when I said this, if Lebron's retiring,
he deserves an enormous uh goodbye tour. But I don't
think he's retiring. I don't think he has any intention
of retiring. I think he would let people know this
will be my final year. You think so, I don't
know if he's the kind of guy that would do that. Oh,
(30:04):
you don't think he'd want to, I don't. I don't
know if he says because if he says it, I
don't know if people believe it. I don't know if
people believe that he would say, this is my final year.
I'm going on this farewell tour and give me. Gimme, gimme,
gimme as I you know, go visit all these cities.
(30:26):
Because he's the kind of guy that would say I
got one more, I got one more and left in me.
I got one more left in me, I got one
more left in me. So I don't know how many
people would actually believe that this would be a farewell tour.
I think he's I think he's a guy that will
say after a season, I'm done. You don't think he'll
(30:47):
want the big goodbye tour. I think I think he
wants it, but I think in his camp because he
it's it's so year to year. If you say it,
the the fallout for trying to do a farewell tour
and then you come back again is worse. No, you
(31:10):
got to be ready to go if you're do it. Yeah,
you got to be ready to go. And I don't
know if he's ever going to be really totally ready
to go unless he plays a season go, I can't
do it anymore. I got to shut it down.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
That's the interesting thing, because when Kobe did it, we
knew he was on his last legs. He hadn't played
well in four years or whatever it was. He said
he was tired of rehabbing and getting ready for the season.
Lebron James is playing at such a high level it
might be in the back of his mind at the
end of every season. I can play at that level
even long, I can do it some more, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
So if that does make sense, and he might not
know until an offseason hits whether or not he's actually
ready to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Well, if that's the case, he's not ready to do
it now.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I would not certainly not fifty three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Certainly not ready to do it now. Still in the
top ten players of in the league right now, get
your fifty three, but this will be your final year.
He's not ready to do that now, So that decision
will be made. What I'm saying is those decisions for
him will be made in the off season, waiting end
of the season, and that means there's no guarantee that
he will retire with the Lakers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
(32:16):
So he'll go through a season and go. Man, those
those months of February and March, they were grueling. I
don't know if I can do this again and shut
it down. I don't know if he goes into a
season because of the way he works in the offseason
and gets ready for a season that he says, this
is gonna be my last year, because I don't think
(32:37):
he knows all right. What should they do with the
All Star Game? I actually enjoyed it? But should they
reform the All Star Game? Let's talk about that next.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
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Speaker 1 (33:05):
Oh, let's go, Freddy, come on throw Back Thursday, Let's go.
I wasn't here yesterday. I'd like the All Star Game.
I did. I love to swing off. That's what we need.
That's what we need. We need to swing off. We
need things like that in the All Star Game. I yeah,
(33:27):
Jonas and I were talking about that. I thought it
was fantastic. I thought the swing off and and the
fact that most people didn't even know that that was
gonna happen. I don't even we talked about that. I
don't even most of the players knew. I know it
was predetermined. I guess what they said quote predetermined that
(33:48):
the guys were gonna swing. But it's hard to have
Otani and Judge swing and when they're already on a
plane back home, you know, from leaving the game. But
I thought it was great and a lot of people
didn't know that that was going to happen. Did you know,
did you did you get any indication that if the
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game is tied, we're going to go to a swing off? No? No,
it was kind of like home run derby I think
they can't. Well this they couldn't have made up on
the spot. But home run Derby they did. They made
up home run Derby when uh who Uh Rooker actually
cal Raleigh? Yeah, but they know Raleigh. His home run
(34:33):
went like two inches further than Rooker. So no one
even knew what that meant. No, and how did really
measure that? Yeah, they don't know this. They had to know. Uh.
When people said, well, you got to change the All
Star Game around, make it different, now, that was great.
It was fun. Clayton was to me, fantastic Clayton Kershaw
pitching and talking. That was the best. His dialogue with
(34:56):
with Smokes and John and Joe Davis was was a
highlight of of the All Star Game. What do you
want here? Smoltzi, what do you want? We talked about, Yes,
what do you want here? Smosey and Son's supposed to
give me a cutter? Give me He's like, I don't
have a cutter, SMOLTI. I'm throwing a slider. It was great.
It was great TV. He really was. And he struck
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the guy out and yeah I think it was Vlad Guerrero.
Yeah it was, but but that was perfect. And then
for Dave to go get him and now, you know,
get him at this at the second out as opposed
to letting finish the any and I thought it was
great because he can get the ovation and somebody else
can come in and it and it ended on a strikeout,
which was great. Yeah, it was great. So I like
(35:40):
the All Star Game. I don't know what you have
to do to change. Swing off was exciting, though, it's
very exciting. They should do that in the regular season, Schwarber.
You think they're going to set up Oh yeah, I know,
you knew that was coming instead of the runner on
second base, which they just implemented Fred, which I think
is pretty good. You want to do a swing off
instead of putting that run or second base, Bri.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It's not alone. Justin Turner brought this up to that's
how he wants the games to end. It that if
they go to extras, let's go swing off.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Home run derby. It's great. I mean, it is just great.
That was good TV. That was fun to watch. Everybody
had a good time. Now it's for the home run derby.
You know the question of why won't Otani hit, Why
won't Judge hit? I think Otani made a good point,
and Bill Shaking of the time said, you know what
you need in the home run derby better bat flips. No, no, Bill,
(36:29):
you don't need better bat flips. But old TONI made
a good point. How about it. We just have so
many swings, not so much time. Get up there. You
got ten body gets twenty five swings or whatever it
may be, right, he wouldn't even want that many. Well, well,
you gotta have so many per round, right. If you
go back, you know, you can't have ten swings. Everybody
(36:51):
gets ten and whoever hits the most out of ten swings,
come on. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
The old format, excuse me, was ten outs. So if
you got ten outs, and if you did you had
ten swings where you didn't hit a home run, than
you were done.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Good. Get ten outs, right, So.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
That's all it was before. I don't know if it
was twenty fourteen or fifteen when they changed it to
now where they have timed rounds.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, I like it. I don't like the time rounds.
I like the outs. I like you know, guys kind
of Okay, let me let me give my situation right,
let me get everything right, and I'm gonna take my
time with this and get if ten outs ten outs,
everybody gets ten outs. And if that's the case, maybe
these guys have been more apt to play. Maybe they're
concerned that they're hitting so fast so often that they
(37:33):
can hurt themselves. Yeah, and the timing thing makes you
go faster too, you know, Oh, I got three minutes
to hit the I gotta get as many as I can.
And no, no, just make it outs so you're not rushed. Yeah,
not swinging rapid fire like they're doing now. No. So
but overall I thought it was great. I mean, the
Whome run derby was what it was, but they all
(37:55):
start game was terrific. Just fun. It's just fun. They
make it seem fun, they make it seem enjoy. Fox
does a great job producing it. It's great. I don't
think I changed much Kevin in the All Star Game.
The miked up the Yeah, the miked up pictures were great.
I thought that was fantastic being being able to hear
(38:17):
Kershaw on what he was thinking. And oh my god,
that was right down the middle. Thank god he didn't swing.
I mean, that was that was good stuff that he did,
really good stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
The position players Jacob Wilson him miked up and his
father in the stands miked up while he's out in
the field. I thought that was pretty cool. So that's
something they haven't done before, at least that I can
ever recall. Well, they've had a parent of a player
on the field and that both miked up at the
same time. It can interact. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah,
they buy something new every year. I try to, like,
you know, drum up some interest or do something a
(38:46):
little bit different.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I'll tell you that represented himself really well with Pete
Tarl Armstrong. Yeah he did. He Wow, he doesn't sound
like a kid. I'll tell you that he really represented himself.
Gets it. Yeah, he gets it, you know, valley kids,
Southern California kid, he gets it. He gets the history
of it, he gets it. He gets it all. He's
(39:08):
got the swagger. He's taken Chicago by storm, right and
the young kids love him, love him, and he is
he's feeding into all of that. I think it's great.
Also thought cal Raley and his dad pitching to him
and his brother catching was the highlight of the of
the home run derby for sure. Yeah, just really a
(39:30):
very nice weekend for Major League Baseball. And tomorrow they
get back to it.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
So before we go. So, of all the sports, easily
Major League Baseball does it better when it comes to
All Star festivities, right yeah? I mean people, I know,
the Four Nations got people really excited for the NHL sure,
and maybe they're in second.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But the NFL All Star though, we call that it
just a different event.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Well it kind of took the place of the All
Star Game. So I guess if you just would, just
for argument's sake, you just want to call it whatever.
The NHL's version of the All Star Game is turned
into the Four Nations.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, the mid season event, right yeah, So now I
think it's ranked baseball hockey. Basketball is not even competitive.
I mean, basketball is just above the NFL skills competition.
After they got rid of their All Star Game, it's
(40:26):
just barely above it. They really have to fix that.
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Oh, I gotta get them more money, you know, just
steff some more money into my mink coat. That's all
I need. I'm never gonna let them live that down.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
By the way, what's the greatest line wearing his mink
coat and his gold chain and we need more money.
Got that what's funny, all right? You ever feel it's way,
you're on top of the world, then why are you
so alone? That's next.
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