July 18, 2025 • 40 mins
As the world of NIL continues to change, we have the Executive Director of the House of Victory collective for USC, Spencer Harris, on the show to update us on the evolving landscape in college sports. With Mark Walter set to be the principle owner of the Lakers soon, could they make a Godfather offer to Sam Presti to pry him out of OKC? What do the Dodgers need most: A pitcher or a hitter?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five seventy LA Sports. Okay, Rodney, this is more in
your wheelhouse. We want to talk about USC's NIL collective
this segment and some changes in IL and how it worked,
how people get paid, and what is going on at USC.
So we're going to bring on Spencer Harris. He joins
(00:22):
House of Victory as executive director after ten seasons working
in collegiate athletics, three plus as USC's football director of
player Personnel, and he played a pivotal role in coach
Riley's first Hall of Recruits. His background of the NIL
landscape and the USC ecosystem proved critical in the formation
of House of Victory.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So, Spencer, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Thanks for having me, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, Spencer, thanks for joining us. Man. Yeah, as we're
witnessing over the last few months, Man, there are feels
like there's some changes that are happening with the n
I L landscape and and what's going on and what
the future looks like for for N I L. Man,
and I wanted to get you on to kind of
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explain it because I'm now very confused about where this
is going and what the rules are now. And I'm
sure a lot of the a lot of the parents
and college kids now are are a little bit confused. Now,
can you can you break down like where we were
with n I L and where it is now and
and and some of the regulations. Is there a new
(01:32):
governing body all those things that are happening in the
last few months.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Of course, yeah, great to hear from your ani, And
last time I saw you is all over social media
and after that that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Great to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, I will, I will do my best to break
this all down. It's it's it's complicated, and it's ever changing.
So reach the House versus NCAA settlement was approved in
June and it was enacted in July one, so we're
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just a few weeks into this House settlement being implemented.
And there was a number of things in this House
settlement that changes college athletics, whether it's back damages for
athletes that didn't receive nil pay. But the biggest shift
that is happening as we speak and continues to evolve,
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is that schools universities are able to pay athletes directly
through a revenue share cap. So over the last three
years of this NIL era, schools were not able to
share revenue directly with athletes and all or a majority
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of NIL payments were happening through third party collectives like
House of Victory, which we operate for USC, being fundraised
by donors and contracting directly with athletes. So those payments
were coming from USC supporters to House to Victory to athletes,
(03:15):
and we would we would facilitate that whole process. Every
school you know that's competing in the Power five has
a version of House to Victory that they work, uh,
you know, side by side with the athletic department, with
the coaching staffs, with the basketball Real.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Quick, real quick, you said most schools, all the schools
have to have. So basically every school has a House
of Victory or a collective that works with the athletic
department to facilitate these funds to the players. And it's
it kind of acts as a governing body to make
sure everything's on the up and up. Am I right?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
We we manage the compliance behind it, the contract process,
legal accounting, uh, you know, fulfillment of services that the
athletes have to have to provide and this shift with
the House that I'm then approving now allows the universities
to be a part of that process and provide a
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foundation of payments to two athletes directly. So each school
has the ability, if they opt in to this revenue
share process, to pay athletes up to twenty and a
half million annually, and it's up to the school to
decide how they want to divide that up. As you
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can imagine at a place like USC where football is,
you know, the main driver of revenue. USC is sharing
a big chunk of that twenty and a half million
to football athletes, and then there's other other sports that
are involved as well and get a piece of that pie.
From our perspective, you know, from House of Victory, the
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donors are our board like and and my personal opinion
like this, this is a really positive step, uh, in
this chaos of the NIL era, right, It's it's a
it's kind of a long time coming, where Okay, we
can we can get some more structure, we can have
the universities more involved, they can pay the athletes directly
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up to a certain amount, and then House and Victory
can still be used to supplement additional NIL opportunities in
in the the LA market, and we will continue to
operate that way, you know, external from from the university.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But you can't go over the twenty million dollar number though,
right even if.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
U can't go over, USC can't go over that amount.
But we can still facilitate opportunities outside of that as
long as they're they're considered valid. You know, nil.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Opportunities, got you, Spencer Harris, there's a.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
New Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, I'm just gonna say, uh so, now we're hearing
that there are some sort of cap on nil money
or that that outside people can pay the athletes.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So there's a cap on on what the schools can do.
And then as part of this settlement, they have a
new enforcement arm called the College Sports Commission. You may
see you know the headlines on it where they're they're
building a clearing house that any ni L deal outside
of the cap outside of what the universities are paying,
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has to be essentially cleared or verified that it's that's
that it's valid. And what they're attempting to do is
get rid of like egregious pay for play payments that
you know, we've we may have seen across the country
over the last few years and really just trying to
bring some more regulation and structure to it. All that
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being said, they're there this, there's more lawsuits coming, there's
more more legal issues at hand that you know, we
just have to kind of take on day by day
and see where it nets out at the end of
all this.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So it has to be deemed a legitimate business situation
for the athlete, right, That's what this new governing body
is going to kind of try to determine that. If
if you're using your name, image and likeness, say had
a car dealership or doing a shoot for somebody, it
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has to be legitimate as opposed to, hey just shake
my hand and I'll give you a thousand bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So when when Juju walk In signs a deal with
State Farm, she submits that that deal through this clearing house,
and they say, yep, that's that's a pretty legitimate business deal.
Your State Farm is using Juju's you know, name, image,
likeness to promote their company and bring in business. If
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if we had an offensive lignment that submitted a deal
that you know, with a donor that wanted him to
come to his birthday party for X amount of dollars
and and it was you know, above a range of
compensation that they're trying to set and and they're trying
to evaluate fair market value. Then then they might they
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might X that deal and say it can't go through.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
All right, So really it's still a ton without a sheriff.
H Are things becoming clearer now?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think it's a positive step right there. There's there's
a little bit more clarity, but there's still a lot
of confusion, and there's still a lot of a lot
of things to work out on a multitude of sides.
And you know, this is just the next evolution of
nil of the relationship with the schools of compensating players.
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But but there's still a lot way to go, and
there's still issues you know that that the NCAA and
this newcomer governing body need to figure out to provide
as much clarity as possible in the coming years.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Hey, Spencer, before we let you go, man, there's talk
also of the players in college being trying to set
up a union or go unionize. Do you see that happening?
Is that anywhere close to happening? Do you think it
will happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't think it's necessarily close, but I would not
be surprised if that's, you know, the next thing coming
down the pipe in three to five plus years. Because
the biggest issue with this House settlement in some of
these rules that are there being put into place, the
athletes themselves really had no say in the process. Where
(09:54):
you know, if you look at all all the pro
leagues and really big time college football, all it is
a version of professional professional professional sports, and you know,
in the pro leagues, they're all they are unionized, there
is a collective bargaining agreement saying, hey, we agree to
operate by these rules as as a player's body and
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all incoming players will do the same. And in college
it's still not that way. So you know, there's a
lot of potential issues around employment with college athletes. And
it may not make sense for you know, every sport,
but you know, a sport like football, which is obviously
a big business across the country, it may make sense.
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And I think it's it's probably needed to have some
version of a collective bargaining so that the rules that
are being put in a place are agreed upon and
there's not lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, where we have
to just you know, take change one day at a
time and just be ready for the next change. It
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makes it really difficult to plan and adjust for the future.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Spencer, before we let you go, Rodney and I are
both talked about something I don't get it, something called
fair market value. When kids are going out and trying
to secure nil deals, fair market value. Who determines what
fair market value is and what is it?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's a fantastic question. The market is supposed to be
determined by whoever is willing to pay and how much
they they're willing to pay. This new commission is utilizing
Deloitte and they're trying to evaluate fair market value based
on past history, the market that the player is in
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obviously usc and being Los Angeles should have an advantage
there in a number of other factors, the sport, their
social media following that, they're trying to put a range
of of what fair market value is. But I think
that's that's you know, there are a lot of legal
issues there of who's to say that, you know, a
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car dealership that wants to partner with an incoming athlete,
and that incoming athlete may or may not turn into
the next Heisman or the next first round pick. And
you know who's to say what that fair market value is.
So I think there's a lot of challenges there with
with trying to assess fair market value.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Spencer, great job, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Really appreciate the info today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Man, No problem, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Having a good weekend, you too, Spencer Harris, Executive director
of House of Victory.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, I screwed up, but I think you have to
own it when you screw up. Mister breast milk mis Mi.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Oh god, you gotta pull that, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We got to pull that for a prom.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Oh, I'm pulling it all right, not to be used
on the air. That's no, They're not pulling my promo.
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What pull it?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Not to be used out in the air.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I thought that was the funniest thing. It might have
been the funniest thing we've done on the show. But
you can't say no. You can't well say what I
said and use it as a promo.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Fred can over and over and over again, Fred, or
you've lost your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Nobody heard it anyway, Fred, because they had it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Dump it no, could you really dump it?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Fred, you can't say, Fred, you can't say, what's the
funniest thing? They dumped it again. They dumped it again.
They dumped it again. They can damn all right?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
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Speaker 2 (13:55):
Come on, Welcome back on a Friday. We don't care
on a Friday. We do care that my man Spencer
Harris gave us some great insights. I still Fred, I'm
I'm confused, And I know there's still a lot to
be done with the NIL and transfer portal and college
sports and all that kind of stuff, man, but it's, uh,
it's it's got to be very confusing, especially for the
(14:17):
families of these eighteen nineteen year old kids that are
trying to navigate this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I'll tell you you're confused about that I'm confused about
an awful lot today.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I am.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm just gonna sit here and say it first. I
don't even know why Ronnie is cutting me off. Now
I'm getting VICD. I wanted to give Dodger and Chickens
plain that was the end.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Of it, because you were going to keep going on
the breast milk thing. I think I was gonna say,
but now I know not Ronnie and Kevin, and Ronnie
and Kevin. I'm sure got notes and calls and say
hey not, you know, shut that down. And I was
not going to information but yeah, all right, Well once
everybody freaked when I brought it up. It was the
(15:00):
funniest thing I'd ever heard, and everybody lost their mind.
I wasn't gonna bring it up again. But I'm like,
I was wrong. No, stop it, stop it. Let's get
into this. We got to give away two sets a ticket, Fred,
come on, I know we do.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm just saying, and then I get cut off. It's
like I don't even trust they get vict did get
victed twice today. It's like my own people don't trust
me anymore. Running you don't trust me. I just wanted
just one answer, do you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Trust me, Wow, that's a slow on the draw. He's
not even gonna comment. He's in the bathroom. Kevin, Do
you trust me sometimes? Did you trust me in the
last segment?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Well, I knew what you were getting ready to say,
but the button had already been pressed, so there was
no going back at that point. But after you say,
my god, this is the greatest thing ever, we should
run a promo. Let's run this over and over again.
I honestly had no idea what was going through your
head at that point in time, So I certainly understand
why you were cut off.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Who knows what the hell else you were gonna say.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Can I just ask something?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I mean we're friends, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, of course, and sometimes I ask you things and
I don't understand and you know that, and I'll say
that to you.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is true, all right?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What was wrong with running that as a promo.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
That you seriously have to ask me that question?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Let me ask you this and then we're gonna we're
gonna drop it after this. Did you not think it
was funny?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, I want to deny that. Absolutely. There's a lot
of things that are funny that can be said on
terrestrial radio.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh my god, I don't Okay, fine, I'll leave it alone.
I don't want to say, well you oh god, I said,
you're gonna leave it alone. I know, but it was funny.
That was funny in a little creepy.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Now we have to give away two pairs of Dodger tickets.
It's for I think Tuesday's game, right, Kevin, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
This Tuesday night.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
This is a Hey or hernandez Babo at night. Yes,
two pairs of tickets. We unfortunately did not give them
away and the noon hour, so we're giving away two
pair now.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's all right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
We're giving away a pair of tickets every hour, but
we didn't give them away at noon. We have to
give it two away now.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Every hour except for noon. That's what we said. Yeah,
that's what we said from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's what we did.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What we said, Yeah, just go with it, right, just
go with That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, Yes, now we're caught up.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Everything got a little crazy today with the first hour
story about the guy at the concert HR lady and
the HR lady and then what happened at the end
of the first hour. God, that was okay, eight six
six nine, eighty seven, two, five seventy Rodney. We need
two caller numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh yeah, how about this Ford number six and number nine.
You got to cut us off again. You could take
off the air. That's Friday. The wheels are off the wagon. Baby.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
When you said that, I thought they were gonna hit
the sounder again. We're gonna go right off again. All right,
So caller six, caller nine, you win Dodger tickets.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes. I like the way you emphasize caller six and
well callar nine. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
At this point. We're just happy if we make it
to two o'clock.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yes we are, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Mark Walter, you know, owns the Lakers. Jennie Buss will
be the governor for a period of years. Some people
say five, Some people say let's but she's gonna be
there for a while. Really, the question becomes is that
you know how much input will she have. I'm sure
she will have some, but there's gonna be a point
where they're gonna come in and do what they have
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to do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Do you think she wants something? Do you think she
wants it? Do you think she's like, Okay, I just
want to relax. Be the face I don't want the
headache of dealing with the day to day and being
the governor again. I just I want to rune off
into the sunset. I can still have a I can
still be the faith. But do you think she really
wants that kind of responsibility still? Well, I think she
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still wants to be the governor right now? Yeah? Yeah,
for a number of your shut.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean I think you were off when it's not
like the Shelley Sterling story when Donald Sterling was forced
to sell the Clippers and Shelley ster You know that
that came after Donald Sterling called his wife, Shelly Sterling,
a pig in court. All right, So anyway, at that
point in time, Shelley Sterlings had as part of the
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sale to Steve Baumer she would always be acknowledged as
the clippers number one fan. She would have that title
something like that for her life, right right, which is okay,
you can have that, bye, yeah right, you didn't have that,
not a problem. So I mean, this is not that
for Genie, but she certainly has a more prominent role.
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But Mark Walter, it's going to hold the team.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And how long do you think before they put their
imprints imprints on this team.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Well, let me ask you this, because this is the question.
Oklahoma City is up for sale, by the way, not
the entire city, but the team in the city. Some
might think they could buy the whole city of Oklahoma City.
Now it's the team, the Thunder is up for sale.
So whoever spends money on the Thunder is going to
(20:27):
come in. They're going to spend over a billion dollars
on this thing, and they may want to do what
they want to do. They might want to change things.
They might want to go in a different direction. I
don't know why, but they might.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why do you think everybody's casting out right now? Because
the money can bubble the bubble it's gonna it can't
sustain this growth in this direction that at some point
it's going to go back down to being somewhat reasonable.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, yeah, and it's you know, how much did they
pay for the franchise in Oklahoma City?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh? Well, it was Seattle right before they and they
moved it. But I don't think they paid Gee, how
much did they paid for Seattle? Definitely under a billion,
I mean under two Definitely under two billion, I'm saying, but.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I just found it so Clay Bennett, the owner of
the Oklahoma City Thunder, bought the Seattle the Oklahoma City
Thunder then as the Seattle of Seattle Sonics for three
hundred and fifty million dollars. Wow, individual players who make
more than that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Now, Yeah, he's going to sell that team for north
of five billion probably, Okay, I think so they do
not want a title. I think they just want a
title somebody's gonna overpay for.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They're building a new arena too, which is probably tied
into that too, so that's happened.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Might overpay for it. You know, Phoenix Suns went for
four and a half or whatever they went for. I
think yeah, I think okay, see went in the title.
Looking at their roster with their young core, they're going
to be in the mix for a minute. I think
that's a selling point too. Probably is why they're trying
to sell right now then cash out because they'll be
in the mix for the next four years. Yeah. I
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think it goes four or five million, five billion dollars. Absolutely,
it's probably north of five.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, you know what if they get it for that franchise, great,
I'm gonna put it two and a half to three
and we'll see okay, just market size.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But we'll see right now, they're valued at three point
five to five.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They're valued at three point five five correct, That means
they're gonna get five.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, they're probably right.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, they're gonna get four at least least four, at
least four.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I was wrong for I was wrong. Yeah, they'll get
at least four. Yeah. God, you'd spend four billion dollars
for something in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oklahoma City listeners right now, call in. We love Oklahoma City. Yeah,
also love Fred. Everything's great, Norman. We're big in Oklahoma.
We have a huge following on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, we do it. Here's the deal, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
If that fan I sells, perhaps the new people are
going to want to change things up. Perhaps the people
there might say, our time is up here, we've done
what we can do. We win a new challenge. That
person would be Sam Presty, the general manager, really considered
one of the top executives in the NBA. Where he
(23:21):
has been it has worked. Now at times, it's taken
a bit of time, but he has figured it out
and he really is considered in.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
The top three in the league.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So the question becomes if the franchise is sold, and
it will be, and the new people come in and
they talk with Sam, Sam talks with them, maybe they
have a mutual parting of the ways. You know, you
guys want to go in your direction. I've done what
I can do here. I'm ready for a new challenge.
So that leads us to let's say Sam is on
the market and he's available, and let's say he's available
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sooner rather than later. If you're Mark Walter, do you wait,
do you wait? Sam Presty of basketball is Andrew Friedman
of baseball? Do you wait, yeah, and go, well, it's
too soon for us to make a move like this.
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Or do you say, if this guy's available and we
know what he can do and we want him to
build us and do it his way, do.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You go get him right now? That's the question. And
right now is what end of the year, with end
of end of this calendar year.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
When is OKAC sold. Let's put it like this, OKAC
is sold. Our guest now is by the end of
the year. Okay, so the new owners come in, Sam
Presty is there, so it would be after.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This season, after the season. Make it like that, What
do you do. Mm hmmm, Well that gives you time
because of what the whole the Laker deals won't be
basically ratified until November end of this year anyway, right
late November December, So you're gonna have to They're gonna
(25:19):
have to have a year to kind of sit back
and check it out and and evaluate, much like they did,
you know, kind of with the Dodgers, right they sat back.
I think a lot has to depend on how how
(25:41):
the season goes for the Lakers this year. You know,
a lot is going to depend on and this is
a critical year, right because they're still scared to death
about Luca and what he's gonna do. Right. You know,
he may be gone, you may not have him, and
they may feel compelled to do a to make some
(26:03):
real serious moves in order to appease Luca. Mm hmm.
So they've got a lot of decisions to make, and
it may happen sooner rather than later.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
You know, what do you think they do? What would
I do? What would you do? Go get him? Yeah,
Clint House up top absolutely to culture change everything right now,
That's exactly what I would do if he's available. I mean,
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you know what he can do because he's done it.
He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
He's I'm telling you you have Andrew Friedman in baseball.
Sam Presty's like Andrew Friedman in the NBA. He knows
what he's doing. I'm not saying I forget it, doesn't know.
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But yeah, you got a chance to get him a
culture shift. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Who would you feel more comfortable having run the Lakers?
No disrespect to Rob Polinka, who, like Jack Dryer, every
time you turn around you see him. Rob Polinka and
Jack Dryer are the two people you see most on
the planet. Jack Dryer pitching and Rob Polink at any
basketball event. Turn aroundy standing right there. I've never seen
a guy like this. He's everywhere. There's like twenty of them. Okay, Yeah,
(27:27):
the handle of.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
The guys that absolutely command the respect of everyone inside
that particular sport and outside of it. Sam Presci's that guy.
Jerry West was that guy. I don't care if you're
a football guy a baseball guy. Everybody respected Jerry West
and the way he ran the Lakers when he ran him,
(27:49):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Sam Presty's that guy across multiple sports line and if
there is an opportunity because it may not happen again.
So you might have to go get him. You might
have to go, hey, Denny, and I know you love
your boy, but we gotta make a move. That's pretty
(28:11):
simple to me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Pick one, and it just happens one of them is
Sam Presty. I'm gonna pick that guy if I can
sign him. You talk about people known inside and outside
the sport.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Stan Casting known inside and outside baseball, absolutely Andrew Friedan's
known inside and outside.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Baseball, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you know the kind of people they want to hire, Yeah,
you know what they want to put together. And if
Sam Presty's not available, then this is a moot conversation
because you're not gonna do anything. But if he's available,
I think you have to take a look at him.
And if I'm him and I've done all I can
(28:56):
do and okay, see and this team is sold, if
I'm him, I'm gonna say, listen, I've done what I
can do, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I got a title. I'm out of here. I
gotta it. Can change his scenery. Let's go.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Even if they're not sold and the Lakers give you
a godfather offer.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Say no to that, knowing what the history of this
new ownership group has been. I know there's tampering and
all that, but we know how these things get back channel.
So he can negotiate some sort of deal with Oklahoma City.
They can even probably trade a draft picked or something
that they wanted to But if the Lakers are willing
to give them almost literally whatever he wants for an
upgrade at GM, regardless if you think he's available from
(29:35):
the outside or not, you at least have to make
that call and see.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Mark Walter, I lose millions to make billions. Uh huh,
So yeah, Hi, it's Mark Walter. Okay, see people, how
are you? Let's have a conversation. What can we do here?
This is the guy we think we need here, So
(29:59):
how are we gonna handle it? Because guess what, you
can't hold us up. You can't say, well, we're gonna
make it so you can't afford it. Well you can't
do that because we can't. We'll show you. Okay, show it, let.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Us see it.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
If you could afford it, you wouldn't be talking about
selling your franchise right now.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So truck you can't keep up with the escalating contract.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I asked for twenty million and he said.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Okay, like damn it, no, damn it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Uh.
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Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh come on, come on, Rodney beat Fred Rogan on
a Friday. We don't care Friday, let's go. It's been
evident by the show today we don't care. Apparently we don't.
I thought it was our best show ever so far. Yeah,
I just am a little disappointed that that sentiment is
(31:51):
not shared by the people we work with. That is
very disappointing. Well, I look at it like they're looking
out for our best interest, Frett. Well, I didn't even
do anything this time. It wasn't even me, but you
were trying to perpetuate something that was not gonna be okay,
So they look out for us.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Listen, if anybody wants to know what we're talking about,
meet me on the corner of Alameda and I'll.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Tell you the story.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The greatest All right, next hour, Bill Plunkett of the
OC Register Daily News Group will be with us and
we'll talk to some Dodgers Right now, though you got
to be the general manager. We kicked us around an
hour one, and with the trade deadline coming up, it's
time to start deciding what we're going to do here.
(32:42):
Now it gets real, right, we're two weeks out, so
now you got.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
To make decisions.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What are we going to do? Are we going to
make a deal? I think the answer will be Yes,
I think we should do something despite the fact we
said we would do nothing at the trade deadline. We
have to do something. Despite the fact that we had
thirty nine pictures. We don't have enough pictures. Because of
the fact that we have thirty nine we had more
(33:10):
pictures than anybody and guys that were good, but they
got hurt. So now we have to do something. Probably,
do we need a reliever? Do we need a hitter?
Rodney and I decided earlier we need a hitter. We
need to get another bat. So Rodney, are we on
the same page.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
That's what we would do. Yeah, we go after a bat.
We go after a bat because I think, look, Glass
now's back. You're going to get other guys back. Sazaki's
gonna come back, hopefully, Copec soon trying, and soon.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We've got to get guys back. So I think pitching wise,
we should be okay as guys come back. And I
think the Dodgers have done in a way. Who do
we have on It said that they.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
That Otani probably could have started pitching earlier, but the
Dodgers really held him back.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And and really made sure that he was healthy. And
I think that is the case with a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Guys that are coming back now that they're they're making
sure that there are no setbacks, so the guys are
really healthy to come back. So that being said, yes,
absolutely go after a bat.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
That was a Bob Nightingale by the way, and Jonas
who said that he thought that Otani probably could have
pitched from day one, but they wanted to save as
many bullets as possible for the stretch run.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
As much as I hate what they've done, and I
do because I said, Otani's ready, let's get him out there.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He's going nine plus.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
If it's extra ending, he's still going to pitch nine plus.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
See him nineteen sixty fifty pitches. That what you want.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We need him ready. So he hadn't pitched in a
year and a half. He's going to get out there
and pitch as long as it takes. That was very selfish.
It was a selfish call. I can admit that now.
And they've done this the right way so they know
what they're doing with Otani and he will be ready
when he needs to be ready. Glass Noew goes tonight,
so we'll see Snell's supposed to be back. So now
(35:14):
start looking at the rotation. Suddenly you have a whole
staff with Dustin May and Kershaw. So you're back in business.
And yeah, I'm a moto. Now you have one too many?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
How does that look going down to stretch? Because that's
what we talked about to start the season. Man, you know, yeah,
I'm a moto, snell Sazaki Glass, now, Dustin May, Kershaw. Oh,
and Otani's pitching. Now, now he's pitching. Now you've got
Oh my god, he had an abundance of riches going
(35:47):
on on the hill.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Don't forget Emma Sheen. He's back now, he looks all right.
But that's going to lead to this and now this
will be interesting as we move through here in the
second half. Oh tany pitching and hitting? Is that hitting
going to be affected because it seems like it has been.
So how do we work around that or is it
(36:11):
even possible? When he was with the Angels, Kevin, You'll
remember when he pitched, he also hit, But I mean
he hit, he made contacts. He was a good hitter
even when it was a pitch.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But there was a dip though when he pitched his
starting pitching days, wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I can't remember, I know games he pitched, he also
got hits.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Yeah, because they changed the rule for him for that
particular reason so he could DH and also pitch, and
he still remember remaining in the game as DH once
he got yanked out.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah. Yeah, But I'm saying it's production, though.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I have to actually look at the Anecdotally, I would
say he didn't really struggle that much. But I don't
know what the actual numbers were as far as days
that he pitched.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
But yeah, and even if so, it's it's one game.
It's one game that he's pitching that he may you know,
instead of going three for four, he goes one for four. Fred.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Maybe it's coincidental, but people have pointed to ever since
he did start pitching, that is offensive. Production overall, regardless
on the days he's pitching or not, has gone down.
And whether or not that's a correlation, I don't only
he knows that. I don't know if that's the case
or not, But that's the dot people are trying to connect.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Do you think they couple him with another guy like
like you mentioned, there's gonna be abundance of pitchers coming back,
and you can only have so many right in a rotation.
Do they put him together, say with he and Dustin
May are this he's gonna start and on the days
he pitched, Dustin May comes in right after him, or
(37:42):
or somebody else comes in right after him, that they
are combined because they're not gonna I mean, I think
he went three in his last downing. He'll probably work
himself up to four or five soon. But do you
think they couple him with somebody else that they know
on old tawny days, you're pitching with Oti, it's four
inning deal. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They're doing it now, right Gasparius Shean has done it,
I think. And we'll bring David Bassey on next week
and he'll talk about it. Here's my guess. When Otani's
ready to go five or six, he goes five or six,
when he is legitimately stretched out and ready to go,
(38:25):
and if he's throwing a hundred and shutting guys out,
I would find it hard to believe that they wouldn't
let him go and then they would just work to
the bullpen. I don't think it before four innings. Okay,
now here comes this guy for three. I don't think
they would do that. I think on the daisy pitches,
(38:46):
he will be a starter.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, and they just go through their normal bulk in
rotation the way they do it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
At least that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's say a
little more about that, Kevin. I want to ask you
about the DA trule. And I'm sure I'm off a
little bit on this, but so Otani is the picture
and the DH. Yep, if Otani is not the picture, Oh,
(39:14):
he just remains the DH and the picture comes into
replace and the batting order doesn't change.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Correct, Okay, this is the new two way player rule
or that though that was introduced in MB.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So if he pitches, yeah, I get okay, So he
can pitch and be a position player, but he would
be still called the D eight even though he's pitching
in the game.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Correct, he'd be the pitcher defensively, and then for offensive
purposes he'd be considered the DH. Once he's removed as
the picture, nothing changed. Still remains in his dach. Nothing
changes on that front.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, Well, we've got that settled, And what did
we decide?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Nothing? Now, what we decided is we're gonna go out
and get a hitter.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's what we decided. We're gonna go out and get
a hitter. And the man who will shed more light
on that is Bill Plunkett. Bill Plunkett, I'll see register
joins us next
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five seventy LA Sports. Okay, Rodney, this is more in
your wheelhouse. We want to talk about USC's NIL collective
this segment and some changes in IL and how it worked,
how people get paid, and what is going on at USC.
So we're going to bring on Spencer Harris. He joins
(00:22):
House of Victory as executive director after ten seasons working
in collegiate athletics, three plus as USC's football director of
player Personnel, and he played a pivotal role in coach
Riley's first Hall of Recruits. His background of the NIL
landscape and the USC ecosystem proved critical in the formation
of House of Victory.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So, Spencer, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Thanks for having me, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, Spencer, thanks for joining us. Man. Yeah, as we're
witnessing over the last few months, Man, there are feels
like there's some changes that are happening with the n
I L landscape and and what's going on and what
the future looks like for for N I L. Man,
and I wanted to get you on to kind of
(01:11):
explain it because I'm now very confused about where this
is going and what the rules are now. And I'm
sure a lot of the a lot of the parents
and college kids now are are a little bit confused. Now,
can you can you break down like where we were
with n I L and where it is now and
and and some of the regulations. Is there a new
(01:32):
governing body all those things that are happening in the
last few months.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Of course, yeah, great to hear from your ani, And
last time I saw you is all over social media
and after that that.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Great to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, I will, I will do my best to break
this all down. It's it's it's complicated, and it's ever changing.
So reach the House versus NCAA settlement was approved in
June and it was enacted in July one, so we're
(02:10):
just a few weeks into this House settlement being implemented.
And there was a number of things in this House
settlement that changes college athletics, whether it's back damages for
athletes that didn't receive nil pay. But the biggest shift
that is happening as we speak and continues to evolve,
(02:34):
is that schools universities are able to pay athletes directly
through a revenue share cap. So over the last three
years of this NIL era, schools were not able to
share revenue directly with athletes and all or a majority
(02:55):
of NIL payments were happening through third party collectives like
House of Victory, which we operate for USC, being fundraised
by donors and contracting directly with athletes. So those payments
were coming from USC supporters to House to Victory to athletes,
(03:15):
and we would we would facilitate that whole process. Every
school you know that's competing in the Power five has
a version of House to Victory that they work, uh,
you know, side by side with the athletic department, with
the coaching staffs, with the basketball Real.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Quick, real quick, you said most schools, all the schools
have to have. So basically every school has a House
of Victory or a collective that works with the athletic
department to facilitate these funds to the players. And it's
it kind of acts as a governing body to make
sure everything's on the up and up. Am I right?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
We we manage the compliance behind it, the contract process,
legal accounting, uh, you know, fulfillment of services that the
athletes have to have to provide and this shift with
the House that I'm then approving now allows the universities
to be a part of that process and provide a
(04:12):
foundation of payments to two athletes directly. So each school
has the ability, if they opt in to this revenue
share process, to pay athletes up to twenty and a
half million annually, and it's up to the school to
decide how they want to divide that up. As you
(04:36):
can imagine at a place like USC where football is,
you know, the main driver of revenue. USC is sharing
a big chunk of that twenty and a half million
to football athletes, and then there's other other sports that
are involved as well and get a piece of that pie.
From our perspective, you know, from House of Victory, the
(04:58):
donors are our board like and and my personal opinion
like this, this is a really positive step, uh, in
this chaos of the NIL era, right, It's it's a
it's kind of a long time coming, where Okay, we
can we can get some more structure, we can have
the universities more involved, they can pay the athletes directly
(05:19):
up to a certain amount, and then House and Victory
can still be used to supplement additional NIL opportunities in
in the the LA market, and we will continue to
operate that way, you know, external from from the university.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But you can't go over the twenty million dollar number though,
right even if.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
U can't go over, USC can't go over that amount.
But we can still facilitate opportunities outside of that as
long as they're they're considered valid. You know, nil.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Opportunities, got you, Spencer Harris, there's a.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
New Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
No, I'm just gonna say, uh so, now we're hearing
that there are some sort of cap on nil money
or that that outside people can pay the athletes.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
So there's a cap on on what the schools can do.
And then as part of this settlement, they have a
new enforcement arm called the College Sports Commission. You may
see you know the headlines on it where they're they're
building a clearing house that any ni L deal outside
of the cap outside of what the universities are paying,
(06:35):
has to be essentially cleared or verified that it's that's
that it's valid. And what they're attempting to do is
get rid of like egregious pay for play payments that
you know, we've we may have seen across the country
over the last few years and really just trying to
bring some more regulation and structure to it. All that
(06:57):
being said, they're there this, there's more lawsuits coming, there's
more more legal issues at hand that you know, we
just have to kind of take on day by day
and see where it nets out at the end of
all this.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So it has to be deemed a legitimate business situation
for the athlete, right, That's what this new governing body
is going to kind of try to determine that. If
if you're using your name, image and likeness, say had
a car dealership or doing a shoot for somebody, it
(07:32):
has to be legitimate as opposed to, hey just shake
my hand and I'll give you a thousand bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So when when Juju walk In signs a deal with
State Farm, she submits that that deal through this clearing house,
and they say, yep, that's that's a pretty legitimate business deal.
Your State Farm is using Juju's you know, name, image,
likeness to promote their company and bring in business. If
(08:02):
if we had an offensive lignment that submitted a deal
that you know, with a donor that wanted him to
come to his birthday party for X amount of dollars
and and it was you know, above a range of
compensation that they're trying to set and and they're trying
to evaluate fair market value. Then then they might they
(08:23):
might X that deal and say it can't go through.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
All right, So really it's still a ton without a sheriff.
H Are things becoming clearer now?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I think it's a positive step right there. There's there's
a little bit more clarity, but there's still a lot
of confusion, and there's still a lot of a lot
of things to work out on a multitude of sides.
And you know, this is just the next evolution of
nil of the relationship with the schools of compensating players.
(08:58):
But but there's still a lot way to go, and
there's still issues you know that that the NCAA and
this newcomer governing body need to figure out to provide
as much clarity as possible in the coming years.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Hey, Spencer, before we let you go, man, there's talk
also of the players in college being trying to set
up a union or go unionize. Do you see that happening?
Is that anywhere close to happening? Do you think it
will happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't think it's necessarily close, but I would not
be surprised if that's, you know, the next thing coming
down the pipe in three to five plus years. Because
the biggest issue with this House settlement in some of
these rules that are there being put into place, the
athletes themselves really had no say in the process. Where
(09:54):
you know, if you look at all all the pro
leagues and really big time college football, all it is
a version of professional professional professional sports, and you know,
in the pro leagues, they're all they are unionized, there
is a collective bargaining agreement saying, hey, we agree to
operate by these rules as as a player's body and
(10:18):
all incoming players will do the same. And in college
it's still not that way. So you know, there's a
lot of potential issues around employment with college athletes. And
it may not make sense for you know, every sport,
but you know, a sport like football, which is obviously
a big business across the country, it may make sense.
(10:40):
And I think it's it's probably needed to have some
version of a collective bargaining so that the rules that
are being put in a place are agreed upon and
there's not lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, where we have
to just you know, take change one day at a
time and just be ready for the next change. It
(11:02):
makes it really difficult to plan and adjust for the future.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Spencer, before we let you go, Rodney and I are
both talked about something I don't get it, something called
fair market value. When kids are going out and trying
to secure nil deals, fair market value. Who determines what
fair market value is and what is it?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's a fantastic question. The market is supposed to be
determined by whoever is willing to pay and how much
they they're willing to pay. This new commission is utilizing
Deloitte and they're trying to evaluate fair market value based
on past history, the market that the player is in
(11:45):
obviously usc and being Los Angeles should have an advantage
there in a number of other factors, the sport, their
social media following that, they're trying to put a range
of of what fair market value is. But I think
that's that's you know, there are a lot of legal
issues there of who's to say that, you know, a
(12:07):
car dealership that wants to partner with an incoming athlete,
and that incoming athlete may or may not turn into
the next Heisman or the next first round pick. And
you know who's to say what that fair market value is.
So I think there's a lot of challenges there with
with trying to assess fair market value.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Spencer, great job, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Really appreciate the info today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Man, No problem, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Having a good weekend, you too, Spencer Harris, Executive director
of House of Victory.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, I screwed up, but I think you have to
own it when you screw up. Mister breast milk mis Mi.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Oh god, you gotta pull that, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We got to pull that for a prom.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Oh, I'm pulling it all right, not to be used
on the air. That's no, They're not pulling my promo.
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
What pull it?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Not to be used out in the air.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I thought that was the funniest thing. It might have
been the funniest thing we've done on the show. But
you can't say no. You can't well say what I
said and use it as a promo.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Fred can over and over and over again, Fred, or
you've lost your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Nobody heard it anyway, Fred, because they had it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Dump it no, could you really dump it?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Fred, you can't say, Fred, you can't say, what's the
funniest thing? They dumped it again. They dumped it again.
They dumped it again. They can damn all right?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Eight six seven.
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Speaker 2 (13:55):
Come on, Welcome back on a Friday. We don't care
on a Friday. We do care that my man Spencer
Harris gave us some great insights. I still Fred, I'm
I'm confused, And I know there's still a lot to
be done with the NIL and transfer portal and college
sports and all that kind of stuff, man, but it's, uh,
it's it's got to be very confusing, especially for the
(14:17):
families of these eighteen nineteen year old kids that are
trying to navigate this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I'll tell you you're confused about that I'm confused about
an awful lot today.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I am.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm just gonna sit here and say it first. I
don't even know why Ronnie is cutting me off. Now
I'm getting VICD. I wanted to give Dodger and Chickens
plain that was the end.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Of it, because you were going to keep going on
the breast milk thing. I think I was gonna say,
but now I know not Ronnie and Kevin, and Ronnie
and Kevin. I'm sure got notes and calls and say
hey not, you know, shut that down. And I was
not going to information but yeah, all right, Well once
everybody freaked when I brought it up. It was the
(15:00):
funniest thing I'd ever heard, and everybody lost their mind.
I wasn't gonna bring it up again. But I'm like,
I was wrong. No, stop it, stop it. Let's get
into this. We got to give away two sets a ticket, Fred,
come on, I know we do.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm just saying, and then I get cut off. It's
like I don't even trust they get vict did get
victed twice today. It's like my own people don't trust
me anymore. Running you don't trust me. I just wanted
just one answer, do you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Trust me, Wow, that's a slow on the draw. He's
not even gonna comment. He's in the bathroom. Kevin, Do
you trust me sometimes? Did you trust me in the
last segment?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Well, I knew what you were getting ready to say,
but the button had already been pressed, so there was
no going back at that point. But after you say,
my god, this is the greatest thing ever, we should
run a promo. Let's run this over and over again.
I honestly had no idea what was going through your
head at that point in time, So I certainly understand
why you were cut off.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Who knows what the hell else you were gonna say.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Can I just ask something?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I mean we're friends, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, of course, and sometimes I ask you things and
I don't understand and you know that, and I'll say
that to you.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is true, all right?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What was wrong with running that as a promo.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
That you seriously have to ask me that question?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Let me ask you this and then we're gonna we're
gonna drop it after this. Did you not think it
was funny?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, I want to deny that. Absolutely. There's a lot
of things that are funny that can be said on
terrestrial radio.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh my god, I don't Okay, fine, I'll leave it alone.
I don't want to say, well you oh god, I said,
you're gonna leave it alone. I know, but it was funny.
That was funny in a little creepy.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Now we have to give away two pairs of Dodger tickets.
It's for I think Tuesday's game, right, Kevin, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
This Tuesday night.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
This is a Hey or hernandez Babo at night. Yes,
two pairs of tickets. We unfortunately did not give them
away and the noon hour, so we're giving away two
pair now.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's all right.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
We're giving away a pair of tickets every hour, but
we didn't give them away at noon. We have to
give it two away now.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Every hour except for noon. That's what we said. Yeah,
that's what we said from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's what we did.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
What we said, Yeah, just go with it, right, just
go with That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, Yes, now we're caught up.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Everything got a little crazy today with the first hour
story about the guy at the concert HR lady and
the HR lady and then what happened at the end
of the first hour. God, that was okay, eight six
six nine, eighty seven, two, five seventy Rodney. We need
two caller numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh yeah, how about this Ford number six and number nine.
You got to cut us off again. You could take
off the air. That's Friday. The wheels are off the wagon. Baby.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
When you said that, I thought they were gonna hit
the sounder again. We're gonna go right off again. All right,
So caller six, caller nine, you win Dodger tickets.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes. I like the way you emphasize caller six and
well callar nine. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
At this point. We're just happy if we make it
to two o'clock.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yes we are, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Mark Walter, you know, owns the Lakers. Jennie Buss will
be the governor for a period of years. Some people
say five, Some people say let's but she's gonna be
there for a while. Really, the question becomes is that
you know how much input will she have. I'm sure
she will have some, but there's gonna be a point
where they're gonna come in and do what they have
(18:45):
to do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Do you think she wants something? Do you think she
wants it? Do you think she's like, Okay, I just
want to relax. Be the face I don't want the
headache of dealing with the day to day and being
the governor again. I just I want to rune off
into the sunset. I can still have a I can
still be the faith. But do you think she really
wants that kind of responsibility still? Well, I think she
(19:07):
still wants to be the governor right now? Yeah? Yeah,
for a number of your shut.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean I think you were off when it's not
like the Shelley Sterling story when Donald Sterling was forced
to sell the Clippers and Shelley ster You know that
that came after Donald Sterling called his wife, Shelly Sterling,
a pig in court. All right, So anyway, at that
point in time, Shelley Sterlings had as part of the
(19:35):
sale to Steve Baumer she would always be acknowledged as
the clippers number one fan. She would have that title
something like that for her life, right right, which is okay,
you can have that, bye, yeah right, you didn't have that,
not a problem. So I mean, this is not that
for Genie, but she certainly has a more prominent role.
(19:58):
But Mark Walter, it's going to hold the team.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And how long do you think before they put their
imprints imprints on this team.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Well, let me ask you this, because this is the question.
Oklahoma City is up for sale, by the way, not
the entire city, but the team in the city. Some
might think they could buy the whole city of Oklahoma City.
Now it's the team, the Thunder is up for sale.
So whoever spends money on the Thunder is going to
(20:27):
come in. They're going to spend over a billion dollars
on this thing, and they may want to do what
they want to do. They might want to change things.
They might want to go in a different direction. I
don't know why, but they might.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why do you think everybody's casting out right now? Because
the money can bubble the bubble it's gonna it can't
sustain this growth in this direction that at some point
it's going to go back down to being somewhat reasonable.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, yeah, and it's you know, how much did they
pay for the franchise in Oklahoma City?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh? Well, it was Seattle right before they and they
moved it. But I don't think they paid Gee, how
much did they paid for Seattle? Definitely under a billion,
I mean under two Definitely under two billion, I'm saying, but.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I just found it so Clay Bennett, the owner of
the Oklahoma City Thunder, bought the Seattle the Oklahoma City
Thunder then as the Seattle of Seattle Sonics for three
hundred and fifty million dollars. Wow, individual players who make
more than that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Now, Yeah, he's going to sell that team for north
of five billion probably, Okay, I think so they do
not want a title. I think they just want a
title somebody's gonna overpay for.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They're building a new arena too, which is probably tied
into that too, so that's happened.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Might overpay for it. You know, Phoenix Suns went for
four and a half or whatever they went for. I
think yeah, I think okay, see went in the title.
Looking at their roster with their young core, they're going
to be in the mix for a minute. I think
that's a selling point too. Probably is why they're trying
to sell right now then cash out because they'll be
in the mix for the next four years. Yeah. I
(22:06):
think it goes four or five million, five billion dollars. Absolutely,
it's probably north of five.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, you know what if they get it for that franchise, great,
I'm gonna put it two and a half to three
and we'll see okay, just market size.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But we'll see right now, they're valued at three point
five to five.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They're valued at three point five five correct, That means
they're gonna get five.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah, they're probably right.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, they're gonna get four at least least four, at
least four.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I was wrong for I was wrong. Yeah, they'll get
at least four. Yeah. God, you'd spend four billion dollars
for something in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oklahoma City listeners right now, call in. We love Oklahoma City. Yeah,
also love Fred. Everything's great, Norman. We're big in Oklahoma.
We have a huge following on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, we do it. Here's the deal, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
If that fan I sells, perhaps the new people are
going to want to change things up. Perhaps the people
there might say, our time is up here, we've done
what we can do. We win a new challenge. That
person would be Sam Presty, the general manager, really considered
one of the top executives in the NBA. Where he
(23:21):
has been it has worked. Now at times, it's taken
a bit of time, but he has figured it out
and he really is considered in.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
The top three in the league.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So the question becomes if the franchise is sold, and
it will be, and the new people come in and
they talk with Sam, Sam talks with them, maybe they
have a mutual parting of the ways. You know, you
guys want to go in your direction. I've done what
I can do here. I'm ready for a new challenge.
So that leads us to let's say Sam is on
the market and he's available, and let's say he's available
(23:58):
sooner rather than later. If you're Mark Walter, do you wait,
do you wait? Sam Presty of basketball is Andrew Friedman
of baseball? Do you wait, yeah, and go, well, it's
too soon for us to make a move like this.
(24:20):
Or do you say, if this guy's available and we
know what he can do and we want him to
build us and do it his way, do.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You go get him right now? That's the question. And
right now is what end of the year, with end
of end of this calendar year.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
When is OKAC sold. Let's put it like this, OKAC
is sold. Our guest now is by the end of
the year. Okay, so the new owners come in, Sam
Presty is there, so it would be after.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This season, after the season. Make it like that, What
do you do. Mm hmmm, Well that gives you time
because of what the whole the Laker deals won't be
basically ratified until November end of this year anyway, right
late November December, So you're gonna have to They're gonna
(25:19):
have to have a year to kind of sit back
and check it out and and evaluate, much like they did,
you know, kind of with the Dodgers, right they sat back.
I think a lot has to depend on how how
(25:41):
the season goes for the Lakers this year. You know,
a lot is going to depend on and this is
a critical year, right because they're still scared to death
about Luca and what he's gonna do. Right. You know,
he may be gone, you may not have him, and
they may feel compelled to do a to make some
(26:03):
real serious moves in order to appease Luca. Mm hmm.
So they've got a lot of decisions to make, and
it may happen sooner rather than later.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
You know, what do you think they do? What would
I do? What would you do? Go get him? Yeah,
Clint House up top absolutely to culture change everything right now,
That's exactly what I would do if he's available. I mean,
(26:36):
you know what he can do because he's done it.
He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
He's I'm telling you you have Andrew Friedman in baseball.
Sam Presty's like Andrew Friedman in the NBA. He knows
what he's doing. I'm not saying I forget it, doesn't know.
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But yeah, you got a chance to get him a
culture shift. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Who would you feel more comfortable having run the Lakers?
No disrespect to Rob Polinka, who, like Jack Dryer, every
time you turn around you see him. Rob Polinka and
Jack Dryer are the two people you see most on
the planet. Jack Dryer pitching and Rob Polink at any
basketball event. Turn aroundy standing right there. I've never seen
a guy like this. He's everywhere. There's like twenty of them. Okay, Yeah,
(27:27):
the handle of.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
The guys that absolutely command the respect of everyone inside
that particular sport and outside of it. Sam Presci's that guy.
Jerry West was that guy. I don't care if you're
a football guy a baseball guy. Everybody respected Jerry West
and the way he ran the Lakers when he ran him,
(27:49):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Sam Presty's that guy across multiple sports line and if
there is an opportunity because it may not happen again.
So you might have to go get him. You might
have to go, hey, Denny, and I know you love
your boy, but we gotta make a move. That's pretty
(28:11):
simple to me.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Pick one, and it just happens one of them is
Sam Presty. I'm gonna pick that guy if I can
sign him. You talk about people known inside and outside
the sport.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Stan Casting known inside and outside baseball, absolutely Andrew Friedan's
known inside and outside.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Baseball, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So you know the kind of people they want to hire, Yeah,
you know what they want to put together. And if
Sam Presty's not available, then this is a moot conversation
because you're not gonna do anything. But if he's available,
I think you have to take a look at him.
And if I'm him and I've done all I can
(28:56):
do and okay, see and this team is sold, if
I'm him, I'm gonna say, listen, I've done what I
can do, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I got a title. I'm out of here. I
gotta it. Can change his scenery. Let's go.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Even if they're not sold and the Lakers give you
a godfather offer.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Say no to that, knowing what the history of this
new ownership group has been. I know there's tampering and
all that, but we know how these things get back channel.
So he can negotiate some sort of deal with Oklahoma City.
They can even probably trade a draft picked or something
that they wanted to But if the Lakers are willing
to give them almost literally whatever he wants for an
upgrade at GM, regardless if you think he's available from
(29:35):
the outside or not, you at least have to make
that call and see.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Mark Walter, I lose millions to make billions. Uh huh,
So yeah, Hi, it's Mark Walter. Okay, see people, how
are you? Let's have a conversation. What can we do here?
This is the guy we think we need here, So
(29:59):
how are we gonna handle it? Because guess what, you
can't hold us up. You can't say, well, we're gonna
make it so you can't afford it. Well you can't
do that because we can't. We'll show you. Okay, show it, let.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Us see it.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
If you could afford it, you wouldn't be talking about
selling your franchise right now.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So truck you can't keep up with the escalating contract.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I asked for twenty million and he said.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Okay, like damn it, no, damn it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Uh.
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(30:58):
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Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh come on, come on, Rodney beat Fred Rogan on
a Friday. We don't care Friday, let's go. It's been
evident by the show today we don't care. Apparently we don't.
I thought it was our best show ever so far. Yeah,
I just am a little disappointed that that sentiment is
(31:51):
not shared by the people we work with. That is
very disappointing. Well, I look at it like they're looking
out for our best interest, Frett. Well, I didn't even
do anything this time. It wasn't even me, but you
were trying to perpetuate something that was not gonna be okay,
So they look out for us.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Listen, if anybody wants to know what we're talking about,
meet me on the corner of Alameda and I'll.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Tell you the story.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
The greatest All right, next hour, Bill Plunkett of the
OC Register Daily News Group will be with us and
we'll talk to some Dodgers Right now, though you got
to be the general manager. We kicked us around an
hour one, and with the trade deadline coming up, it's
time to start deciding what we're going to do here.
(32:42):
Now it gets real, right, we're two weeks out, so
now you got.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
To make decisions.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
What are we going to do? Are we going to
make a deal? I think the answer will be Yes,
I think we should do something despite the fact we
said we would do nothing at the trade deadline. We
have to do something. Despite the fact that we had
thirty nine pictures. We don't have enough pictures. Because of
the fact that we have thirty nine we had more
(33:10):
pictures than anybody and guys that were good, but they
got hurt. So now we have to do something. Probably,
do we need a reliever? Do we need a hitter?
Rodney and I decided earlier we need a hitter. We
need to get another bat. So Rodney, are we on
the same page.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
That's what we would do. Yeah, we go after a bat.
We go after a bat because I think, look, Glass
now's back. You're going to get other guys back. Sazaki's
gonna come back, hopefully, Copec soon trying, and soon.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We've got to get guys back. So I think pitching wise,
we should be okay as guys come back. And I
think the Dodgers have done in a way. Who do
we have on It said that they.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
That Otani probably could have started pitching earlier, but the
Dodgers really held him back.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And and really made sure that he was healthy. And
I think that is the case with a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Guys that are coming back now that they're they're making
sure that there are no setbacks, so the guys are
really healthy to come back. So that being said, yes,
absolutely go after a bat.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
That was a Bob Nightingale by the way, and Jonas
who said that he thought that Otani probably could have
pitched from day one, but they wanted to save as
many bullets as possible for the stretch run.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
As much as I hate what they've done, and I
do because I said, Otani's ready, let's get him out there.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He's going nine plus.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
If it's extra ending, he's still going to pitch nine plus.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
See him nineteen sixty fifty pitches. That what you want.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We need him ready. So he hadn't pitched in a
year and a half. He's going to get out there
and pitch as long as it takes. That was very selfish.
It was a selfish call. I can admit that now.
And they've done this the right way so they know
what they're doing with Otani and he will be ready
when he needs to be ready. Glass Noew goes tonight,
so we'll see Snell's supposed to be back. So now
(35:14):
start looking at the rotation. Suddenly you have a whole
staff with Dustin May and Kershaw. So you're back in business.
And yeah, I'm a moto. Now you have one too many?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
How does that look going down to stretch? Because that's
what we talked about to start the season. Man, you know, yeah,
I'm a moto, snell Sazaki Glass, now, Dustin May, Kershaw. Oh,
and Otani's pitching. Now, now he's pitching. Now you've got
Oh my god, he had an abundance of riches going
(35:47):
on on the hill.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Don't forget Emma Sheen. He's back now, he looks all right.
But that's going to lead to this and now this
will be interesting as we move through here in the
second half. Oh tany pitching and hitting? Is that hitting
going to be affected because it seems like it has been.
So how do we work around that or is it
(36:11):
even possible? When he was with the Angels, Kevin, You'll
remember when he pitched, he also hit, But I mean
he hit, he made contacts. He was a good hitter
even when it was a pitch.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But there was a dip though when he pitched his
starting pitching days, wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I can't remember, I know games he pitched, he also
got hits.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Yeah, because they changed the rule for him for that
particular reason so he could DH and also pitch, and
he still remember remaining in the game as DH once
he got yanked out.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah. Yeah, But I'm saying it's production, though.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I have to actually look at the Anecdotally, I would
say he didn't really struggle that much. But I don't
know what the actual numbers were as far as days
that he pitched.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
But yeah, and even if so, it's it's one game.
It's one game that he's pitching that he may you know,
instead of going three for four, he goes one for four. Fred.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Maybe it's coincidental, but people have pointed to ever since
he did start pitching, that is offensive. Production overall, regardless
on the days he's pitching or not, has gone down.
And whether or not that's a correlation, I don't only
he knows that. I don't know if that's the case
or not, But that's the dot people are trying to connect.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Do you think they couple him with another guy like
like you mentioned, there's gonna be abundance of pitchers coming back,
and you can only have so many right in a rotation.
Do they put him together, say with he and Dustin
May are this he's gonna start and on the days
he pitched, Dustin May comes in right after him, or
(37:42):
or somebody else comes in right after him, that they
are combined because they're not gonna I mean, I think
he went three in his last downing. He'll probably work
himself up to four or five soon. But do you
think they couple him with somebody else that they know
on old tawny days, you're pitching with Oti, it's four
inning deal. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
They're doing it now, right Gasparius Shean has done it,
I think. And we'll bring David Bassey on next week
and he'll talk about it. Here's my guess. When Otani's
ready to go five or six, he goes five or six,
when he is legitimately stretched out and ready to go,
(38:25):
and if he's throwing a hundred and shutting guys out,
I would find it hard to believe that they wouldn't
let him go and then they would just work to
the bullpen. I don't think it before four innings. Okay,
now here comes this guy for three. I don't think
they would do that. I think on the daisy pitches,
(38:46):
he will be a starter.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, and they just go through their normal bulk in
rotation the way they do it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
At least that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's say a
little more about that, Kevin. I want to ask you
about the DA trule. And I'm sure I'm off a
little bit on this, but so Otani is the picture
and the DH. Yep, if Otani is not the picture, Oh,
(39:14):
he just remains the DH and the picture comes into
replace and the batting order doesn't change.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Correct, Okay, this is the new two way player rule
or that though that was introduced in MB.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So if he pitches, yeah, I get okay, So he
can pitch and be a position player, but he would
be still called the D eight even though he's pitching
in the game.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Correct, he'd be the pitcher defensively, and then for offensive
purposes he'd be considered the DH. Once he's removed as
the picture, nothing changed. Still remains in his dach. Nothing
changes on that front.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right, Well, we've got that settled, And what did
we decide?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Nothing? Now, what we decided is we're gonna go out
and get a hitter.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's what we decided. We're gonna go out and get
a hitter. And the man who will shed more light
on that is Bill Plunkett. Bill Plunkett, I'll see register
joins us next
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