July 21, 2025 • 46 mins
Dan Woike hops on to talk about the Lakers signing Marcus Smart, the Clippers bringing back Chris Paul and more. WNBA players used the all-star game as a platform to ask for more money from the owners - but was it really the right time and place to do that?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Darn't we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports, a big three hour program
today our one. We ticked it off talking about the
Dodgers and rest assured we will continue that part of
the conversation that is not going anywhere. There was much
to discuss, much to dissect, much to complain about, and
we'll continue to do all of them because that's exactly
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what we get paid for.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We will continue to get into all of that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
They will try it again tonight against Minnesota out at
the Stadium Twins in town, and we'll get more into
that in a bit. But now let's welcome on our
NBA insider dear friend man that covers the likers for
the athletic Dan wiki Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How are you guys? I hosted a six year old
birthday party yesterday and I've lived to tell the tale.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was great. It was great. No tears, limit miles,
all smiles, limit limit limited blood. There wasn't any blood.
It was great. I'm I'm, I'm just at a glow
from my fatherhood.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, let me tell you this and you should remember
this for the for the future. So my kids are
little and it was either Barney or Elmo. I'm gonna
go Elmo. One of the kids was having a birthday party.
They're little, so we thought this is going to be great.
We're going to invite the life size Elmo to the party. Now,
it was about one hundred and thirty degrees. We were
in Northridge at the time, and it was a Saturday afternoon,
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so you know, it's hot right off the bat, right.
So anyway, you're also aware of the fact that Elmo
is not real. It's a man in a costume. But
it's a big costume.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, it's a big costume. It's a hot costume.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, and you need to be hydrated if you're going
to be in that costume. So Elmo gets there about
twelve thirty and here comes Elmo and all the kids
are happy.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Were you were you trying to kill this guy for well,
look we paint him.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, that delve velvet velvet swayed suit in a hundred
degree temperature in north Ridge, fad, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I know?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And it was hot. It was hot.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Anyway, he gets there and the kids are running around
and it's Elmo, and Elmo's great and then you know
Elmo is going to do like painting projects or something.
So all the kids run over to where Elmo is
going to be and almost says he'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So Elmo walks around the side of the house where
nobody can see. So we give him a couple of
minutes because we think Elmo is getting paints or something.
And I go over there and Elmo is taking off
his head and he's smoking, almost smoking great. So I said, hey, Elmo,
you know you got to put your head back on,
and you got to go out there with the kids.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So anyway, one of the kids sees me on the
side of the house. They don't know what I'm doing,
but they come over to talk to me, and they
see Elmo has no head and they start screen.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Me, oh, just ripping a dart on the side of that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Right exactly, there's a man.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
There's a headless Elmo smoking. So the kids start screaming,
runs away, tells all the kids they'll start crying.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Elmo's there. About twenty minutes. I said, Elmo, you're done. Go.
I made Elmo levet through the side gate. He didn't
do painting. I paid him. He had a cigarette in
the heat and he was gone. That was Elmo at
the party. You didn't give Elma. You didn't give Elmo
a dressing room. Well he came.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
If you've been paid attention to the news, Fred, it
could have gotten worse with Elbo. I'm just saying, if
you saw the tweets, it could have gone way worse.
It's just you know, maybe a dodge to bullet that
it was just a heater. Yeah, maybe you didn't want
to get into that radicalized dart from Elmo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
He was hacked. By the way he was hacked, I
know he was hacked almost great.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And that sounds like the umpire you had that was
drinking between games.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh you remember that guy, the guy that was he
went out and he drank between games and he was
sitting under the tree in center field eating a cheeseburger, drinking.
Then he came out and called a guy out and
he was saved by thirty feet. But he tried to
throw me out of the game, and I said I
wasn't going.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So so Fred, I grew up. When I grew up,
I umpired for extra cash and had my like my
retort always was like it was very much like Ty
goes to the Empire was like where I was. Massive
strike zone, huge strike zone, And anytime anybody ever asked
me why, I'd say, I don't get paid by the hour.
Get your kid up there, get him up to the plate.
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Let's go strike too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You were like Leslie Nielsen and naked guy. You're calling strikes.
Got to the plate.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's bad, We're we're starting this a bad one and two.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Come on, move it along, stee right, hadn't left the
pitch's hand yet. See wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
All right, man, let's get the basketball, Dan, let's do it.
Let's do you want to start Lakers. We'll go Marcus
Smart a smart?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, I like it. I mean, I think all right. So,
if if I were to make the argument for Polinka
this summer, and Marks Smart is a big part of this,
I would say that they were able to address three
pretty significant areas of need, and they did it without
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using any assets, without you know, having to go deep
into their free agency coffers, and fairly fairly low risk
on all of these three things. Right, Like, they needed
a starting center, Fred, I know you're sent of this,
but they needed a starting center. They got a starting center.
They needed to get younger on the wing. They got
younger on the wing, and they needed some toughest and
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a point of attack defender. Marcus Smart is one of
the best. Now there are reasons why they were able
to get all of these players, right. You know, Jake
Lauravia has never really been in a consistent role early
here in his NBA career. The bet is that once
he gets in a consistent situation, helped perform deaderi Aden
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isn't a contract year. We've talked about this at nauseum,
but I think they're getting him at the right time
to play with a pick and roll kind of Maestro
and Luka dan Is just like you didn't finance with Chris Paul.
The market smart thing I think is riskier probably than
both of them, just because it's the thing that you
can't control, and that's health, right. You know. Somebody had
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asked me the other day, like, well, what was the
health stuff with Marcus Monet. It's like, well, it was,
you know, a couple of weeks with a knee, then
it was a back, then a wrist, then a hand,
but a neck, you know, and it's it's it's been
a lot. Now, I think returning to a situation at
this stage of the three is not old necessarily, right,
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I think he's thirty or thirty one, but at the
stage in his career, second half, going to a situation
where I think he'll be asked to play a fewer minutes,
where he will have the chance to win at a
high level again. And I think obviously surrounded by great
players like he doesn't he's not the veteran leader on
this team. He won't have to be the veteran leader
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on this team. I think it's a good situation from him.
It seems like a good bet if he plays thirty games,
it's a bet the Lakers lost.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, so uh Luca playing the role of recruiter huh
dan Winki? And and is that not only would the Ayton,
but what's smart as well? And is this going? Is
this an attempt with the Lakers to really appease him,
to help him sign a long term deal with them,
and it will it work?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, I think I think, you know, I think
they're confident is the way I'll put it. I think
they're really confident that he's going to sign an extension
on a second. You know, now, in the modern NBA,
what to sign an extension, mean it means they can't
trade you for a year. That's really what it means, right,
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players can can force their hand down the road, all
sorts of stuff like that. I think though, it does
sort of speak to the Lakers and Luca moving in
unison towards goals for the roster. And I think you know,
in speaking to sources around Luca, there was an understanding
that the Lakers were trying to thread a pretty tight
needle this summer where they wanted to get better, They
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wanted to be competitive. They don't want to waste certainly
time with Luka Doncic in his prime. They also want
to be flexible come next summer. You know, Lebron James's
contract expires. They have this like really tiny cap hold
for Austin Reeves before his big payday, whether it's for
the Lakers or someone else. I think you know that
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they are in line next summer to be significant players,
not just in free agency, but via trade. And I
think that's the vision they've sold Luka Doncic. I think
he understands that vision. I think he still wants to
win now and the Lakers were sort of tasked with
figuring out a way to make it work right, and
they were able to get these players on short term deals,
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you know, player options for eight and smart for next season,
but not at numbers that are immovable eight million, six million,
I think, and if it works out, guys, neither of
those guys are picking up the player options like the
right like, you sign those guys to contracts with the
hopes that they don't pick up the player options because
that means they had a good season. And I think
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they were able to spell that vision out to Lukadatciic.
From what I understand, Luca's on board. You know, he's
extension eligible here in the first weekend in August. You know,
I anticipate him signing the extension. I know there's been
some handering about it, but I think at this stage
it would certainly seem like, you know, the surprise won't
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be that he's in Los Angeles putting his name, you know,
next to next year contract that makes some one of
the highest paid players in the league. It's not that
like that. The you know, the surprise would be if
he chose not to. It's far far more likely that
he signed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Does he does he sign a short term extension and
get the super.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Mass I think got yeah, I havn't gotten like full
clarity on that. My sense is that, like I mean,
if I was this financial advisor, you know, you sign
a two plus one extension and then you know, two
years from now, you you're headed again and you've got
the ability to you know, make eighty million dollars a year,
right like that, that would be the I think, the
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sort of consensus wisdom on what will happen. But I
don't know. You know, different people are different wants. You know, Lucas,
Lucas had some injury stuff here over the last year.
I mean, look, he looks great, he's healthy right now,
gonna play in euro Basket this summer. But you know,
maybe he wants four years. I don't know that. I
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think though the Lakers feel good about where they're at
with Luka Nancic, you can I mean I wrote about this,
I mean down to like one he's recruiting. It'd be
weird to like invite you know, people to a party
that you plan on bailing out, you know, like that's
a weird move. And then I think the other thing
too is, look, it's none of this stuff is like like.
The Lakers posted a video on Saturday, you know where.
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It was an interviewed tape of Lukadacis ripped for the playoffs.
We were talking about how he wants his legacy in
Los Angeles to be a guy who brought the city
multiple championships, you know, like I think, and he's in
a much better place mentally and physically now than he was.
I'm the dawn of the playoffs. I think, you know,
there are things about l A he probably doesn't like.
The traffic comes up a lot, but guess what there
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are Nobody here likes the traffic. It's we live here
for all the other reasons. I think it's good. I
think they're in a good place.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Let's flip over to the Clippers. Now you've been keeping
an eye on them as well. I thought they are
really good off season, Dan, did they have a better
one than the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
They had a different one? You know, I think certainly
they I think what they did, I mean, the swapping
Powell for Beale is like there's some risk in there, right,
and that is you know the bet there is that
you know, you know you weren't sure you wanted to
give Norman Powell the rays that he's gonna need next summer,
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So you move out from him. You get John Collins
to get a little more athletic at the fore position.
And I think like they've built themselves out a better
roster when you know Kawhi Leonard is dealing with injury
and stuff like that. The real challenge with the Clippers, though, guys,
for better for worse, is that they they functionally have
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to have two teams, right you have the Kai team
and the non Quai team, And a non Kuai team
isn't going to be good enough to win a title
almost no matter what a Quai team might. You know,
if he's healthy enough, like he's that good and I
you know, for sentimental but for also for best reasons.
Love the Chris Paul addition today. I mean, they've got
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real depth in the front court with the Vichazoo, Batch
and Brook Lopez. You know, they've got just a lot
of guys. You know, Bradley Beal. You know, for all
the bad contract talk and all that stuff, a guy
looks a little different when he's forty million dollars less
on your books than he was before. You know, Bradley
bill at eight million dollars, you know, is I think
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that whatever the number was is I mean, he's a
really good player at that like particularly at that number.
But I still kind of feel like it all comes
down to whether or not Kawhi Leonard will be healthy
enough when the games matter most, you know, and that'll
be the bet for the Clippers. But yeah, really really
good offseason, you know, I think they have a chance
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to be a pretty improved team in the West, you know,
certainly on paper, I think like they added more talent
than the Lakers. I think in that way, they had
the better off season. I think if you take into
a count you know what the real big motivations are
this summer for the Lakers, which are getting Lucadocris just
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sign an extension and you know, like counting on certain
levels of internal growth which come from you know, you
made this train in the middle of the season last
year and like everybody was just basically trying to figure
it out. Like now you actually can start to pen
the paper on it. I think the Lakers also had
a pretty good summer.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, it's interesting you said, you know, the Clippers got
a plan for having two teams with Yeah, you know,
Gawhi and not Gawhi. And you don't think they're good
enough to without to win it now obviously not to
win it, but can they sustain throughout the season if
he plays? I think so?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, I think so. I mean, look, they
play a pain in the butt style of basketball, Like
they've got tough, grimy dudes that like, you know, annoy you.
They play physically, they have size, they have individual scoring talent, no,
and they've got a terrific basketball coach. It's a really
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good basketball team. You know, if if we talk in
next April and they're the two seed in the West, like,
would I be stunned?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Stunned?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't. I don't think so. I mean they certainly
seem to be like in that that. I mean, Oklahoma
City is like the class in the West, right, They've
earned that position by themselves at the top. And you
know a lot of people would say that Houston is
right there. I would give the nod to the Rockets
on their summer at and Kevin Durant, but like you
had a piece like that guy. It's not like like
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and Katie is as plug and play as it gets.
It's still like takes a little time to like figure
out who you are and figure out what you want
to be and stuff like that. And I think the
Clippers are going to suffer a little bit from that stuff.
Like I love the Brook Lopez signing. Brook Club is
a really good player, But Lakers were interested in brooklow Pez.
They were more interesting Deonder eighton, but they were interested
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in Brooklopez. My question will be is like, Okay, like
he was a really productive player at thirty minutes a
game basically for the last decade in his career. What
does that look like at twenty one minutes, you know,
or nineteen minutes, when the touches are fewer, when the
rhythms a little different. Like those are real adjustments and
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it's gonna be you know, I think that part of
it will be a shift and like Bradley Beal is
gonna have to learn how to play with James Harden
and different things like that. But I believe in sort
of their overall identity in the West to you know,
to be in that second tier of contender.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Are the Lakers in the first tier or second tier?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
They're definitely not in the first tier. I mean, I
think that's the thunder right like, so, I think, you know,
the optimistic read on the Lakers is that if you
believe a team with like Luka Dacic, Lebron James, Austin Reeves,
like dak to have a firepower and then you know,
if the other stuff goes right like our they in
that class with the Clippers in Denver and Houston, I
think so. I mean, they were the three seed last
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year in the West, and I think you could argue
that they're better today than they were when the season,
the regular season engines. I think that's a pretty fair argument.
You know, you'll have they had a first year head
coach last year. That's not going to be the case
this season, right, Like, I think you get an offseason
where Austin Reeves and Lebron James are trying to figure
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out the best ways to play off lucadajis they don't
have to do it in mid February, like stat should
matter to where they're you know what I mean? And yes,
they lost important pieces to who they are. I caught
some plaque on Twitter yesterday for referring to Jordan Goodwin
as a cultural loss, but like him and Doran Phinney Smith,
behind the scenes really important players exemplified a lot of
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like the kind of identity of what this coaching staff
wants out of role players, and they will miss those
players undoubtedly. I think they have a chance to recreate
some of that with Jake Laravian, Marcus Smart and like
they needed a talent up credit Center and they got it.
So I think they're good enough to be in that
sort of second tier. I think everybody's got a lot
of work to do to catch the thunder and like
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all of this stuff, you know, like how does your
injury left line up right? And you know, like the
Clippers have the Khi Leonard questions, The Lakers have questions
about should have questions at least about Luka Dacic and
where he's at physically, and they shaid those questions about
Lebron James. He turns forty one in December.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, last one, Dan, you spent some time obviously in
Vegas the summer League, and the word is that Dalton
connect kind of struggled a little bit. Yeah, you're taking
a step back, and where do you see his future?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know, I think I'm gonna be writing about him
this week, So I don't want to, like totally spoil
it too much, honey. So it's a really good question.
At instinct, I'll just say I think I'll say this,
I wouldn't put too much into summer League performances as
like a general. You know, like I was watching Dalton,
I was watching Strugg was telling some scouts and like,
you know, this isn't a slight at Bronnie James or whatever.
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You know, I think Bronnie at this stage in his
career is much more comfortable running pick and roll and
getting the basket and creating that way, right, Dalton connect
is a guy that, in a perfect way, you'd be
running sets for In some ways you'd be moving him
around and trying to get him shots and create stuff
for him that way. It just never really felt like
he was in rhythm offensively, Like somebody had mentioned me, like,
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you know, this is the type of guy who like
with a point guard. And that's not to say Bronnie's
made tremendous strides on the ball. He has, it's just
like that's still like I think a part of his
game that's developing, and you know, maybe you know, while
he's trying to develop on that stuff like that, that
doesn't really help don't connect in the ways that you
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know he needs to be to have the table set
for him. I think it's you know, there was some
struggle in terms of getting separation, getting to his spots
and stuff like that. I've also heard that, like you know,
he may overdone it and workouts. I mean, I will share.
I mean that's gonna be my story. But like like
in the build up to all of this stuff, like
he's maybe a little overeager and trying to put on
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you know, like a good foot and have a good
summer and maybe went a little hard and the build
up to that and stuff like that. So again I
would I would not overreact to the summer. I do
think this is a really pivotal season for him because
if he can play his way into the Lakers rotation,
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and it's an if, right, Like there's real competition, there's
there aren't a ton of minutes we had. If he
can be an effective shooter, an effective score off the bench,
if he can be a guy who competes enough on defense.
I mean, if the Lakers aren't trading Austin Reeves, he's
their next best player that they can send out in
the deal. Like, realistically, right, and if there's a move
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to be made later, you know, and very well may
include don't connect the value today not that high so
that that needs work. And I think that's he's in
a really pivotal spot in his career, like early career,
at least in his career with the Lakers. But when
you talk about it, it's like they'll say, I mean,
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for all the things you can say negatively about a guy,
he's tall and you makes shots right, and there's a
generally speaking of space for that in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Damn, before we let you go.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Final thought, there's talk the Lakers might try to take
a run at Contavious called well, Pope again, have you
heard that anything to.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It that I saw that today, that they talked about
that earlier this summer. I would probably foul that under.
Just like, let's just call and see where things stand.
The way the plan has been sort of the Lakers
plan has been sort of conveyed to me is been.
There's been a real resistance to take on salary, especially
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like a salary. Besides that KCP is beyond this season.
That just doesn't that that just doesn't totally align with
what I'm being told now could I be taken for
a ride, certainly possible. I think if they were going
to take on long money, though it would be for
a player not coming off the type of season. In
case you would now maybe look are their assets coming
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back to the Lakers in that situation?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, like that those are the types of things
that can change these scenarios. You know, are they getting
picks from Orlando? Is the magic trying to get off
that deal?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That could that could shift the thinking. But I mean,
like the reality is, and I really hope the aggregators
and the people that listen to your show and like,
this is the stuff I think that I would mark
down in bold. You know, the Lakers today have one
tradable second round pick. The Lakers today basically have one
tradable first round pick. Okay, they're like you may say
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they're they're moving scared or any of that stuff. There's
real caution about putting those assets into play because of
what it means they won't be able to do when
they need if and when they need to course correct
in January or February. So taking on a long term
contract and kind of moving off sort of you know
the course they're on for next summer, it's possible. I
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think it's possible. They don't really have the margins to
make mistakes on that type of stuff, you know, like
they don't have a first round pick. Like one of
the guys that comes up a lot right is Jared Vanderbilt.
Jared Vandabilt is on a long term contract and currently
is being paid more than his league value. So if
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the Lakers were to try to use Jared Vanderbilt in
the trade the way that when I talk to my
source about it, they would have to attach draft capital
to do it right. And if they want Jared Vanderbilt
to not be on their team and they want to
add draft cable to it, like if they had the
thunders draft pick Arsenal, like, you can do that. You've
got room to make mistakes and to correct them. The
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Lakers right now are functionally like without an a race here,
like like they don't want to use their final shot
to correct something like that, or of course correct on
that front. And if you're trading for KCP and you're
not getting draft capital back in that deal or God's
forbid it, if you're sending it even out, like you
just leave yourself with you are cementing your It's like
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getting a tattoo, you know what I mean, Like that
is your team team. There's no there's no pencil on
that eraser. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Absolutely? Which tells me they're not doing it. That's what
it tells me, they're not doing it capital.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I mean, teams call on people all the time, you
know what I mean, Like that's like that's you. You
call around, you see what the prices are and stuff
like that, and you you know, I mean, I think
like in terms of like the Jordan Goodwin situation, you know,
like the cost to create a roster spot right now
would have been as like ground pick, like you just
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just have one. They really really like Jordan Goodwin, you know.
I just I think they ultimately decided that it wasn't
worth you know, using like one of their few pieces
I mean again few few pieces of draft capital that
they have access to right now, you know too, to
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clear a roster spot for a twelfth guy like that
just didn't line up for them for an eleventh guy.
So I think that's that's that's the issue, right And
you know, if it sounds like I'm carrying water for
a Plinka. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just trying.
I'm trying to like explain what I my understanding, the
overall thinking and and that's why it's difficult to really
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like you just have to hit on the margins. And
that's why, like where I look at the Lakers offseason
and I think it's been a real success is that
like they've been able to, at least on paper, address
some needs. And they've done it without like having to
go and like into debt on their their their their
limited capital. They haven't had to use that first round
pick to like shake loose Nick Claxton to be their center.
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You know, they were able to do it, you know,
pretty organically.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
All Right, Dan, thanks for coming on, Thanks for being
organic with us today. Talk you again soon, guys.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm gonna go rip a Marlboro Red with Almo. Go
get it in solter Lets, sulter Less.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Old school. Here's the deal. Pay us what you always?
What does that mean? And when was that said? That's next?
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Speaker 2 (27:02):
Come on, come on now, it's Monday. Do you lie?
Twenty first Rodery Pete, Fred Rogan and five seventy LA Sports.
Come on, Freddie, Let's go what you got? I just
want to say, is Kate still in here? Kevin? Kate?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Tim Kate's during the break has given me a hard time.
He's given me a hard time.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Tim. I want you to talk about what you said
to me.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, Fred, last week I was on vacation somewhat and
I was down in the desert Coachella Valley, and of
course I had to race to a TV to watch
What is It Going?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Rogan?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
The Rogan Report?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What is It?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Rogan Report?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Is What it Is It?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
On the NBC Palm Springs because I wanted to see
the show, and I was. I was glued to the
TV for the first ten minutes. Fred, you had be hooked.
Paul McCartney coming to the Acrosher Center and uh, all
the tickets are sold out. And the people can't see
it because the bots bought them all your thoughts, oh, like, uh,
you had a man and a woman on this set there.
(28:01):
I don't forgot their names, like Patricia and Richard, Like Patricia,
can you believe this? What are we gonna do? Who's
gonna go? The fox bought them all?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh my god? All right, all right. First of all,
if you were why didn't you call me?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I didn't want to bother your Fred, like you were
hard at work?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
What do you bother? That's what I do? Trust me.
I got time.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Then I waited around for segment two when you did
something about the neighbors, you know, like, oh, my mail
hasn't been delivered in three days, says Barbara Rivet in
Cathedral City.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I want to tell you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I do want to tell you something toim God, that
made me laugh so hard again. First of all, that
is a different model for local news. It's a different
way to do it right. And second, not only does
it when it's time period, but it makes more money
than any half hour in this market.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, have me hope for the first ten minutes, Fred,
I can't turn it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Fred's out there. You see Fred's latest post, though, Fred
Fred is out there soliciting influencers, Spanish speaking influencers.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Is that you with the wine glass asking for esponol?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yesol?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh my god, I can't believe you brought that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You can't sneak it in when you put it out
on Instagram, Fritt, All right, since you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Listen, by the way, We went to a nice place
down there in Lakena. I think it's called stuff Crust
down in A. Yeah, it's real nice.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Are you down here?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Why didn't you call?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I was down there for four days.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Friend, Jesus Christ, call me next time.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't want to bother you Fred to dinner. Well,
I would have taken you up on that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, of course, if I'm paying, you'll call.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
We went to the Adobe Grill to Lakeenttha Resort. That
was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
There's nothing wrong with that. It's an mean What was
the temperature down there?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Though?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It actually cool down? It was ninety eight on Thursday.
It was one hundred and four the day before. It
was hot on Tuesday. So it was cold here in
the valley, and it was cold in the Coachella Valley. Okay,
cold relatively speaking, relatively.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, it could have been one hundred and twenty. All right,
so listen to him next time. Call me all right, seriously,
I'll take you care.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Get your number again.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I think you changed it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, I didn't change my number. You text me all
the time. And as for the other thing, Rodney, thank
you for bringing it up. I am looking for yes,
all right, but there's one problem. I'm gonna be honest
with you. I'm looking for Spanish language influencers on social
(30:49):
media for a project i'm working on. Now, that's what
i'd put on my Instagram. The problem is, and remember this,
I don't speak Spanish. So if you don't respond to
me in English, I don't know. Oh, I have people
that speak Spanish. It will work with me on the.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Prom So you've got responses, but they were in Spanish.
Some of them didn't go well. Just gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm just like copy paste, translate chat GPT okay.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I am.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm looking for Spanish language social media influencers for a
project i'm working on.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
There you go put it out there, Fred, Damn, I
can't believe you said that. I try. I try to
keep them separate. We do what we do. Fred, it's hey,
everything's intermingled nowadays. Let's go. Well, let me put it
like this.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Me looking for Spanish language influencers is not like hosting
King's Court.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, come along, you know what I mean. What
you did there, Let's see what you did there? Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Me working on something called no Tcious Coachella Valley is
not like having a show on Pigcock.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know what I mean? Hey, you got to start
somewhere for you never know. Yeah, you making a dent
down there. Timmy Kates is down there, riveted first ten minutes,
can't take his eyes off the TV. You making a
dent into Coachella Valley. Next thing you know, you're going
to be introducing Beyonce at the festival. Okay, So if
(32:34):
you are down here in the Coachella Valley, you can
email me and say hello. I'm not taking everybody to dinner.
That only extended to Tim Cakes. I'm just being honest.
But if you're down here, at least you know, say hello. Okay,
Now we have to do our story in the next segment, Rodney,
Oh yeah, we have to do pay us what you
(32:55):
owe us. Yes, they coming up next. All right, let's
just do it. Right now, Kevin. All right, Kevin's going
you blew it today.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Fred, I didn't exactly word it that way.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, but that's what you meant, yes or no? Yes, okay, fine.
We have two pairs of Dodger tickets to give away
right now for the game tomorrow night. Two graars of
tickets right now for tomorrow night. Eight six six nine,
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Speaker 2 (33:44):
Come on, let's go, Fred. I'd be Fred Rogan eight
speaking of a Megan Stallion girl, Meghan D. Stallion heard
Clayton Thompson are an item. Did you know that? I
heard that? Yeah? Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, they could happen.
(34:06):
Wasn't wasn't it? Somebody was shocked to see them together,
didn't think it was real. Yeah, a lot of people
were shocked, didn't think was real. They now, they're now,
They're wide open in the public. And working out together
and doing all kinds of stuff. It's all good. She
just wanted somebody to let her be her? What that's all?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Did?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me be me? Baby, that's all we're asking. Is
that too much to ask?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
I don't think so, he says, someone who's nice and
treats her with respect. What a novel concept?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Does that exist? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Well, apparently so far with her and Clay Thompson, it does.
We ain't body that's met. Clay knows that obviously, and
knows Michael and knows that family. It wouldn't be any different.
But apparently he's the first of that ilk fred that
she's ever been with.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So well, you know, you keep looking long enough, right,
and you find it. Kiss enough frogs, you get the prints.
Oh really, he stayed with a prince long enough he
turns to a frog and that's when you leave exactly.
And that's called don't sign a prenup.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So here's here's the slogan, pay us what you owe us?
So where does that come from? The w NBA best.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Players wore those warm up shirts during their pregame at
the All Star Game. The WNBA players, pay us what
you owe us. Those are their warm up shirts before
the All Star Game. Just what do you think of
that approach, Rodney. First, I liked that they all wore it.
(35:51):
I like that they all came together and agreed to
do something collectively that's gonna benefit Then you know, Kayln Clark,
who didn't play, didn't because she was injured and decided
she couldn't play, wore the shirt.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Uh and more of us as well. So I think
it was a good sign of of of camaraderie and
being able to stick together. It was a little harsh
of a of a message I think put out there.
I get it m W n b A has has
(36:29):
gone to a different level now, but it's only just
started going to that different level most of these and
I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, but I
believe this this year or next year or will be
the first year that they will be in the black.
It has lost money a single year, So in one regard,
(36:52):
you're like, well, you got to have one more than
one year of success before you start paying it. But
I do agree that they are drastically unpaid be professionals,
and some of the things that they had to deal
with and in terms of travel and stay and lodging.
All those things should be really unacceptable if you're going
(37:13):
to have a professional league. But to get the in
your face, pay us what you owe us, there's it
just opens it up to a lot of arguments on
the other side when okay, you want to see the books.
Let's just show you the books of where we are
and how much money we really make. And this is great,
Kaylin Clark has added a boost to it, but we
have to we have to show more than one year
(37:35):
of revenue before we go crazy and give you fifty
percent of the revenue like they do in the NBA.
I do believe, don't get me wrong, I do believe
they need to get paid a little bit more. Thank
god the travel has picked up. But it kind of
felt like a little bit of not to the certain
extent of one on one like Shack to doctor Buss
(37:58):
when he said you need to pay me coming down
to court was kind of in your face and just
relieve you know, spelled the demise of Shack in LA.
But again, I would say that the fact that they
all came together to do this, because I'm sure there
was probably some dissensions and people like is this the
(38:18):
right thing to do. But they came in agreement and
said yes, the majority wanted to do it, and they
did it. So good for them. They're standing up for
themselves and you know they're making a mark and they're
trying to get trying to strike with the irons hot
because it is as popular as ever been right now.
So maybe this is the time to get people to
stand up and recognize Fred. What do you think I
thought it was tacky? I did. That's not the time
(38:42):
for that.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Look, the problem with the WNBA, if there was one,
was people didn't want to watch the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That was the problem.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It doesn't matter if they play. I could have a
balls and jacks league. If nobody wants to watch it,
it doesn't matter. And that's the thing they didn't understand, Well,
we're playing or we're not being treated equally. Yes, because
it's not equal because nobody wants to watch what you're doing. Now,
in years, it has improved, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, more
(39:15):
players coming into the league. Suddenly there are storylines, there's
more excitement and what's happening.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
People are starting to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, at that point, now you have conversations, but you
cannot think, well, I do the same thing that person does,
so I should be paid the same. Yes, but no
one's paying the same to see you as they are
to see them. And it's always built on what the
market will bear. I mean it was embarrassing the WNBA
(39:45):
players did not fly charter. That was embarrassing. I mean
it was completely Embarrassingah, it was.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Nineteen fifties. I mean, come on, you gotta be better
than that. Yeah, you got a group of fifteen women
walking through the airports commercially, you know you can't do
it all six foot tall. It's a stake. Come on,
Oh what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So they figured that out recently recently. You know, in
the WNBA, nobody watches un as Caitlin Clark plays.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right, I mean we know that. That's why she's on
every game that fever play basically right, right. They want
to see her. Some players hate her for that. They
should all love her for that because she is giving
them exposure. She's the one that caught fire, caught the
imagination of the nation. It takes time, it's not easy.
(40:35):
No one's saying it's fair. But again, if you what
you do does not generate the interest or revenue that
let's say the NBA does. It's not going to be.
But they're not saying that for that's what they wanted
to say. They wanted to make it clear they're not
saying pay you pay me like the NBA players, or
even pay the percentage that the NBA players are getting.
(40:56):
It was you know now that the league is starting
to make money, me pay us what we think it
is a fair market rate. So I heard a lot
of them say that that's what they wanted to make clear.
That they don't expect to get paid like NBA players
or even share in the revenue like they do. But
something has got to change in the way it's been
(41:18):
done right now. It's it's it's fine to make that point.
It's fine to make that argument. It's good to ask
for that. Yeah, I agree with you. Three years down
the road, if they're still in the same situation, then
I I'm all for that. Right there you go, And
that's exactly right. Everything. It's fine to want it, to
bring it up to have conversations. It's too soon to
(41:40):
make the Grand Slam play.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Well, I will say it's coming up now because they're
in CBA talks and their deal is up. I believe
after next season is what it is. So I was
coming to it now because now this is where you
negotiate that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Here's what will happen here, here's what will happen if
it goes sideway. And see the players can't I mean
they can say what they want and posture. If that
goes sideways, I assure you they will get locked out.
I guarantee they will get locked out.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
Correction, it's up this year in October.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Then they will get locked out if it goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Because anybody that's invested in the WNBA, sure your money's
in it. You want to make money, you need to
play the games, but you don't lose the kind of
money you do in Major League Baseball or the NFL,
And those people.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Can probably sit.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So I'm just saying, this is a very delicate time
to get what you want and how you go about
getting it. So I don't think wearing that shirt was
the way to go about getting it.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
Yeah, and I will say the WNBA just signed a
new TV contract last year right for eleven years and
two point two billion dollars. So to your point into
Rodney's point, They're actually gonna start generating revenue for the
first time, more than they ever have. So that's why
they play are saying, Okay, now we're generating revenue. Now
we decide we should get more of the pie than
the nine percent of revenue that we've been getting.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So that's Hevin.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You said, what two and a half billion over eleven years?
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Two point two billion dollars and eleven years, Yes, spread
out over eleven years. Yeah, well, two hundred million dollars
per year for the league.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
The NBA contract I just think on Peacock is two
billion dollars.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
You're right, Well, that goes to Rodney's point too. They're
not asking for the same amount of money that the
NBA players are getting. They just want a larger point
a piece of the pie than nine percent of the
money that the league generates.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
So what they're getting.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Now, if you're two hundred million dollars a year from
the TV deal, what do you think it costs to
operate the franchise? I have no idea what does it
cost to operate it? And they have been losing money,
they've been on the red yep. Yeah, some oys just
play more games because it is popular. Now, if you
play a little bit more games, then you can maybe
generate more revenue. Do you lose money if you If
(43:53):
your revenue from TV's two hundred million. Wait a minute,
that's two hundred million a year, then you have to
divide it up amongst all the.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Team correct, yes, which I believe there's fifteen or sixteen
teams something like that.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's like, yeah, twenty million.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Dollars thirteen teams. There are thirteen tea.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
What are like twelve million dollars each, so they're making
twelve Each team's making twelve million dollars from the TV
deal or thirteen million. That's that putting anybody over.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Thirteen million, it probably takes you from the red into
a little bit into the black.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's what I'm saying is that like each team is
getting two hundred million. It's like the NFL, where you
get three hundred million dollars a team that's like thirteen
fourteen million dollars a year. That might be the difference
between losing money and breaking.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Even and you're not having not every team is the
Indiana fever that's selling out every every game, right or
Vegas who's done well in won titles and selling out.
There are other teams around the league that they don't
get the kind of tendants and draw. Do the Sparks
make money. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Is Magic one of the owners. I know he was,
I don't know if he still is. Okay, do they
make money and how much do they make? So you
gotta look at it that way again. I hear what
the players are saying, they should travel better, they should
have the things are asking for, But wearing that shirt
in that setting, if I'm a league owner, I'm not pleased.
(45:27):
If I'm an owner, I'm not pleased. I'd be more
apt to be hard line. Don't embarrass yourself and don't
embarrass us.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
In that setting.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's the All Star game. Go out, celebrate the sport.
We all know what needs to be done. We're all
gonna work toward it, but.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Don't kind of talk and dialogue behind closed doors, and
we're gonna keep talking if it see. I don't know,
and Keviny said it's up in October. Maybe it's gotten
we don't know. Maybe the talks have gotten ugly and
that's why they are frustrated at its point, Maybe talks
have not been very good, and they've felt that they
had to do something. We don't know all the details
(46:08):
of it, but I would be if if we didn't
know any of this and it was just, you know,
just talks. I agree with you, just you know, try
to work it out behind closed doors. You know, you
got time. If talks start to fall, maybe during the championship.
That's something that you make a statement during.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
All right, next hour, one more pair of tickets to
give away Dodgers and Twins Tomorrow night tail Her Nice
her Tarosk Garnada's bibblehead Night will give those away tomorrow.
Next hour for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Well he come back, Let's get out to the stadium.
David de Vasse
Darn't we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports, a big three hour program
today our one. We ticked it off talking about the
Dodgers and rest assured we will continue that part of
the conversation that is not going anywhere. There was much
to discuss, much to dissect, much to complain about, and
we'll continue to do all of them because that's exactly
(00:22):
what we get paid for.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We will continue to get into all of that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
They will try it again tonight against Minnesota out at
the Stadium Twins in town, and we'll get more into
that in a bit. But now let's welcome on our
NBA insider dear friend man that covers the likers for
the athletic Dan wiki Dan.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How are you guys? I hosted a six year old
birthday party yesterday and I've lived to tell the tale.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It was great. It was great. No tears, limit miles,
all smiles, limit limit limited blood. There wasn't any blood.
It was great. I'm I'm, I'm just at a glow
from my fatherhood.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, let me tell you this and you should remember
this for the for the future. So my kids are
little and it was either Barney or Elmo. I'm gonna
go Elmo. One of the kids was having a birthday party.
They're little, so we thought this is going to be great.
We're going to invite the life size Elmo to the party. Now,
it was about one hundred and thirty degrees. We were
in Northridge at the time, and it was a Saturday afternoon,
(01:29):
so you know, it's hot right off the bat, right.
So anyway, you're also aware of the fact that Elmo
is not real. It's a man in a costume. But
it's a big costume.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Spoiler alert.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, it's a big costume. It's a hot costume.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, and you need to be hydrated if you're going
to be in that costume. So Elmo gets there about
twelve thirty and here comes Elmo and all the kids
are happy.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Were you were you trying to kill this guy for well,
look we paint him.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, that delve velvet velvet swayed suit in a hundred
degree temperature in north Ridge, fad, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I know?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And it was hot. It was hot.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Anyway, he gets there and the kids are running around
and it's Elmo, and Elmo's great and then you know
Elmo is going to do like painting projects or something.
So all the kids run over to where Elmo is
going to be and almost says he'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So Elmo walks around the side of the house where
nobody can see. So we give him a couple of
minutes because we think Elmo is getting paints or something.
And I go over there and Elmo is taking off
his head and he's smoking, almost smoking great. So I said, hey, Elmo,
you know you got to put your head back on,
and you got to go out there with the kids.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So anyway, one of the kids sees me on the
side of the house. They don't know what I'm doing,
but they come over to talk to me, and they
see Elmo has no head and they start screen.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Me, oh, just ripping a dart on the side of that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Right exactly, there's a man.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
There's a headless Elmo smoking. So the kids start screaming,
runs away, tells all the kids they'll start crying.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Elmo's there. About twenty minutes. I said, Elmo, you're done. Go.
I made Elmo levet through the side gate. He didn't
do painting. I paid him. He had a cigarette in
the heat and he was gone. That was Elmo at
the party. You didn't give Elma. You didn't give Elmo
a dressing room. Well he came.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
If you've been paid attention to the news, Fred, it
could have gotten worse with Elbo. I'm just saying, if
you saw the tweets, it could have gone way worse.
It's just you know, maybe a dodge to bullet that
it was just a heater. Yeah, maybe you didn't want
to get into that radicalized dart from Elmo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
He was hacked. By the way he was hacked, I
know he was hacked almost great.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And that sounds like the umpire you had that was
drinking between games.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh you remember that guy, the guy that was he
went out and he drank between games and he was
sitting under the tree in center field eating a cheeseburger, drinking.
Then he came out and called a guy out and
he was saved by thirty feet. But he tried to
throw me out of the game, and I said I
wasn't going.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So so Fred, I grew up. When I grew up,
I umpired for extra cash and had my like my
retort always was like it was very much like Ty
goes to the Empire was like where I was. Massive
strike zone, huge strike zone, And anytime anybody ever asked
me why, I'd say, I don't get paid by the hour.
Get your kid up there, get him up to the plate.
(04:37):
Let's go strike too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You were like Leslie Nielsen and naked guy. You're calling strikes.
Got to the plate.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's bad, We're we're starting this a bad one and two.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Come on, move it along, stee right, hadn't left the
pitch's hand yet. See wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
All right, man, let's get the basketball, Dan, let's do it.
Let's do you want to start Lakers. We'll go Marcus
Smart a smart?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, I like it. I mean, I think all right. So,
if if I were to make the argument for Polinka
this summer, and Marks Smart is a big part of this,
I would say that they were able to address three
pretty significant areas of need, and they did it without
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using any assets, without you know, having to go deep
into their free agency coffers, and fairly fairly low risk
on all of these three things. Right, Like, they needed
a starting center, Fred, I know you're sent of this,
but they needed a starting center. They got a starting center.
They needed to get younger on the wing. They got
younger on the wing, and they needed some toughest and
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a point of attack defender. Marcus Smart is one of
the best. Now there are reasons why they were able
to get all of these players, right. You know, Jake
Lauravia has never really been in a consistent role early
here in his NBA career. The bet is that once
he gets in a consistent situation, helped perform deaderi Aden
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isn't a contract year. We've talked about this at nauseum,
but I think they're getting him at the right time
to play with a pick and roll kind of Maestro
and Luka dan Is just like you didn't finance with Chris Paul.
The market smart thing I think is riskier probably than
both of them, just because it's the thing that you
can't control, and that's health, right. You know. Somebody had
(06:32):
asked me the other day, like, well, what was the
health stuff with Marcus Monet. It's like, well, it was,
you know, a couple of weeks with a knee, then
it was a back, then a wrist, then a hand,
but a neck, you know, and it's it's it's been
a lot. Now, I think returning to a situation at
this stage of the three is not old necessarily, right,
(06:53):
I think he's thirty or thirty one, but at the
stage in his career, second half, going to a situation
where I think he'll be asked to play a fewer minutes,
where he will have the chance to win at a
high level again. And I think obviously surrounded by great
players like he doesn't he's not the veteran leader on
this team. He won't have to be the veteran leader
(07:14):
on this team. I think it's a good situation from him.
It seems like a good bet if he plays thirty games,
it's a bet the Lakers lost.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, so uh Luca playing the role of recruiter huh
dan Winki? And and is that not only would the Ayton,
but what's smart as well? And is this going? Is
this an attempt with the Lakers to really appease him,
to help him sign a long term deal with them,
and it will it work?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, I think I think, you know, I think
they're confident is the way I'll put it. I think
they're really confident that he's going to sign an extension
on a second. You know, now, in the modern NBA,
what to sign an extension, mean it means they can't
trade you for a year. That's really what it means, right,
(08:01):
players can can force their hand down the road, all
sorts of stuff like that. I think though, it does
sort of speak to the Lakers and Luca moving in
unison towards goals for the roster. And I think you know,
in speaking to sources around Luca, there was an understanding
that the Lakers were trying to thread a pretty tight
needle this summer where they wanted to get better, They
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wanted to be competitive. They don't want to waste certainly
time with Luka Doncic in his prime. They also want
to be flexible come next summer. You know, Lebron James's
contract expires. They have this like really tiny cap hold
for Austin Reeves before his big payday, whether it's for
the Lakers or someone else. I think you know that
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they are in line next summer to be significant players,
not just in free agency, but via trade. And I
think that's the vision they've sold Luka Doncic. I think
he understands that vision. I think he still wants to
win now and the Lakers were sort of tasked with
figuring out a way to make it work right, and
they were able to get these players on short term deals,
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you know, player options for eight and smart for next season,
but not at numbers that are immovable eight million, six million,
I think, and if it works out, guys, neither of
those guys are picking up the player options like the
right like, you sign those guys to contracts with the
hopes that they don't pick up the player options because
that means they had a good season. And I think
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they were able to spell that vision out to Lukadatciic.
From what I understand, Luca's on board. You know, he's
extension eligible here in the first weekend in August. You know,
I anticipate him signing the extension. I know there's been
some handering about it, but I think at this stage
it would certainly seem like, you know, the surprise won't
(09:51):
be that he's in Los Angeles putting his name, you know,
next to next year contract that makes some one of
the highest paid players in the league. It's not that
like that. The you know, the surprise would be if
he chose not to. It's far far more likely that
he signed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Does he does he sign a short term extension and
get the super.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Mass I think got yeah, I havn't gotten like full
clarity on that. My sense is that, like I mean,
if I was this financial advisor, you know, you sign
a two plus one extension and then you know, two
years from now, you you're headed again and you've got
the ability to you know, make eighty million dollars a year,
right like that, that would be the I think, the
(10:30):
sort of consensus wisdom on what will happen. But I
don't know. You know, different people are different wants. You know, Lucas,
Lucas had some injury stuff here over the last year.
I mean, look, he looks great, he's healthy right now,
gonna play in euro Basket this summer. But you know,
maybe he wants four years. I don't know that. I
(10:51):
think though the Lakers feel good about where they're at
with Luka Nancic, you can I mean I wrote about this,
I mean down to like one he's recruiting. It'd be
weird to like invite you know, people to a party
that you plan on bailing out, you know, like that's
a weird move. And then I think the other thing
too is, look, it's none of this stuff is like like.
The Lakers posted a video on Saturday, you know where.
(11:16):
It was an interviewed tape of Lukadacis ripped for the playoffs.
We were talking about how he wants his legacy in
Los Angeles to be a guy who brought the city
multiple championships, you know, like I think, and he's in
a much better place mentally and physically now than he was.
I'm the dawn of the playoffs. I think, you know,
there are things about l A he probably doesn't like.
The traffic comes up a lot, but guess what there
(11:38):
are Nobody here likes the traffic. It's we live here
for all the other reasons. I think it's good. I
think they're in a good place.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Let's flip over to the Clippers. Now you've been keeping
an eye on them as well. I thought they are
really good off season, Dan, did they have a better
one than the Lakers?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
They had a different one? You know, I think certainly
they I think what they did, I mean, the swapping
Powell for Beale is like there's some risk in there, right,
and that is you know the bet there is that
you know, you know you weren't sure you wanted to
give Norman Powell the rays that he's gonna need next summer,
(12:16):
So you move out from him. You get John Collins
to get a little more athletic at the fore position.
And I think like they've built themselves out a better
roster when you know Kawhi Leonard is dealing with injury
and stuff like that. The real challenge with the Clippers, though, guys,
for better for worse, is that they they functionally have
(12:37):
to have two teams, right you have the Kai team
and the non Quai team, And a non Kuai team
isn't going to be good enough to win a title
almost no matter what a Quai team might. You know,
if he's healthy enough, like he's that good and I
you know, for sentimental but for also for best reasons.
Love the Chris Paul addition today. I mean, they've got
(13:00):
real depth in the front court with the Vichazoo, Batch
and Brook Lopez. You know, they've got just a lot
of guys. You know, Bradley Beal. You know, for all
the bad contract talk and all that stuff, a guy
looks a little different when he's forty million dollars less
on your books than he was before. You know, Bradley
bill at eight million dollars, you know, is I think
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that whatever the number was is I mean, he's a
really good player at that like particularly at that number.
But I still kind of feel like it all comes
down to whether or not Kawhi Leonard will be healthy
enough when the games matter most, you know, and that'll
be the bet for the Clippers. But yeah, really really
good offseason, you know, I think they have a chance
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to be a pretty improved team in the West, you know,
certainly on paper, I think like they added more talent
than the Lakers. I think in that way, they had
the better off season. I think if you take into
a count you know what the real big motivations are
this summer for the Lakers, which are getting Lucadocris just
(14:07):
sign an extension and you know, like counting on certain
levels of internal growth which come from you know, you
made this train in the middle of the season last
year and like everybody was just basically trying to figure
it out. Like now you actually can start to pen
the paper on it. I think the Lakers also had
a pretty good summer.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, it's interesting you said, you know, the Clippers got
a plan for having two teams with Yeah, you know,
Gawhi and not Gawhi. And you don't think they're good
enough to without to win it now obviously not to
win it, but can they sustain throughout the season if
he plays? I think so?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, I think so. I mean, look, they
play a pain in the butt style of basketball, Like
they've got tough, grimy dudes that like, you know, annoy you.
They play physically, they have size, they have individual scoring talent, no,
and they've got a terrific basketball coach. It's a really
(15:07):
good basketball team. You know, if if we talk in
next April and they're the two seed in the West, like,
would I be stunned?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Stunned?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't. I don't think so. I mean they certainly
seem to be like in that that. I mean, Oklahoma
City is like the class in the West, right, They've
earned that position by themselves at the top. And you
know a lot of people would say that Houston is
right there. I would give the nod to the Rockets
on their summer at and Kevin Durant, but like you
had a piece like that guy. It's not like like
(15:39):
and Katie is as plug and play as it gets.
It's still like takes a little time to like figure
out who you are and figure out what you want
to be and stuff like that. And I think the
Clippers are going to suffer a little bit from that stuff.
Like I love the Brook Lopez signing. Brook Club is
a really good player, But Lakers were interested in brooklow Pez.
They were more interesting Deonder eighton, but they were interested
(16:00):
in Brooklopez. My question will be is like, Okay, like
he was a really productive player at thirty minutes a
game basically for the last decade in his career. What
does that look like at twenty one minutes, you know,
or nineteen minutes, when the touches are fewer, when the
rhythms a little different. Like those are real adjustments and
(16:20):
it's gonna be you know, I think that part of
it will be a shift and like Bradley Beal is
gonna have to learn how to play with James Harden
and different things like that. But I believe in sort
of their overall identity in the West to you know,
to be in that second tier of contender.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Are the Lakers in the first tier or second tier?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
They're definitely not in the first tier. I mean, I
think that's the thunder right like, so, I think, you know,
the optimistic read on the Lakers is that if you
believe a team with like Luka Dacic, Lebron James, Austin Reeves,
like dak to have a firepower and then you know,
if the other stuff goes right like our they in
that class with the Clippers in Denver and Houston, I
think so. I mean, they were the three seed last
(17:05):
year in the West, and I think you could argue
that they're better today than they were when the season,
the regular season engines. I think that's a pretty fair argument.
You know, you'll have they had a first year head
coach last year. That's not going to be the case
this season, right, Like, I think you get an offseason
where Austin Reeves and Lebron James are trying to figure
(17:25):
out the best ways to play off lucadajis they don't
have to do it in mid February, like stat should
matter to where they're you know what I mean? And yes,
they lost important pieces to who they are. I caught
some plaque on Twitter yesterday for referring to Jordan Goodwin
as a cultural loss, but like him and Doran Phinney Smith,
behind the scenes really important players exemplified a lot of
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like the kind of identity of what this coaching staff
wants out of role players, and they will miss those
players undoubtedly. I think they have a chance to recreate
some of that with Jake Laravian, Marcus Smart and like
they needed a talent up credit Center and they got it.
So I think they're good enough to be in that
sort of second tier. I think everybody's got a lot
of work to do to catch the thunder and like
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all of this stuff, you know, like how does your
injury left line up right? And you know, like the
Clippers have the Khi Leonard questions, The Lakers have questions
about should have questions at least about Luka Dacic and
where he's at physically, and they shaid those questions about
Lebron James. He turns forty one in December.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, last one, Dan, you spent some time obviously in
Vegas the summer League, and the word is that Dalton
connect kind of struggled a little bit. Yeah, you're taking
a step back, and where do you see his future?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know, I think I'm gonna be writing about him
this week, So I don't want to, like totally spoil
it too much, honey. So it's a really good question.
At instinct, I'll just say I think I'll say this,
I wouldn't put too much into summer League performances as
like a general. You know, like I was watching Dalton,
I was watching Strugg was telling some scouts and like,
you know, this isn't a slight at Bronnie James or whatever.
(19:02):
You know, I think Bronnie at this stage in his
career is much more comfortable running pick and roll and
getting the basket and creating that way, right, Dalton connect
is a guy that, in a perfect way, you'd be
running sets for In some ways you'd be moving him
around and trying to get him shots and create stuff
for him that way. It just never really felt like
he was in rhythm offensively, Like somebody had mentioned me, like,
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you know, this is the type of guy who like
with a point guard. And that's not to say Bronnie's
made tremendous strides on the ball. He has, it's just
like that's still like I think a part of his
game that's developing, and you know, maybe you know, while
he's trying to develop on that stuff like that, that
doesn't really help don't connect in the ways that you
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know he needs to be to have the table set
for him. I think it's you know, there was some
struggle in terms of getting separation, getting to his spots
and stuff like that. I've also heard that, like you know,
he may overdone it and workouts. I mean, I will share.
I mean that's gonna be my story. But like like
in the build up to all of this stuff, like
he's maybe a little overeager and trying to put on
(20:09):
you know, like a good foot and have a good
summer and maybe went a little hard and the build
up to that and stuff like that. So again I
would I would not overreact to the summer. I do
think this is a really pivotal season for him because
if he can play his way into the Lakers rotation,
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and it's an if, right, Like there's real competition, there's
there aren't a ton of minutes we had. If he
can be an effective shooter, an effective score off the bench,
if he can be a guy who competes enough on defense.
I mean, if the Lakers aren't trading Austin Reeves, he's
their next best player that they can send out in
the deal. Like, realistically, right, and if there's a move
(20:53):
to be made later, you know, and very well may
include don't connect the value today not that high so
that that needs work. And I think that's he's in
a really pivotal spot in his career, like early career,
at least in his career with the Lakers. But when
you talk about it, it's like they'll say, I mean,
(21:13):
for all the things you can say negatively about a guy,
he's tall and you makes shots right, and there's a
generally speaking of space for that in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Damn, before we let you go.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Final thought, there's talk the Lakers might try to take
a run at Contavious called well, Pope again, have you
heard that anything to.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It that I saw that today, that they talked about
that earlier this summer. I would probably foul that under.
Just like, let's just call and see where things stand.
The way the plan has been sort of the Lakers
plan has been sort of conveyed to me is been.
There's been a real resistance to take on salary, especially
(21:55):
like a salary. Besides that KCP is beyond this season.
That just doesn't that that just doesn't totally align with
what I'm being told now could I be taken for
a ride, certainly possible. I think if they were going
to take on long money, though it would be for
a player not coming off the type of season. In
case you would now maybe look are their assets coming
(22:16):
back to the Lakers in that situation?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, like that those are the types of things
that can change these scenarios. You know, are they getting
picks from Orlando? Is the magic trying to get off
that deal?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That could that could shift the thinking. But I mean,
like the reality is, and I really hope the aggregators
and the people that listen to your show and like,
this is the stuff I think that I would mark
down in bold. You know, the Lakers today have one
tradable second round pick. The Lakers today basically have one
tradable first round pick. Okay, they're like you may say
(22:53):
they're they're moving scared or any of that stuff. There's
real caution about putting those assets into play because of
what it means they won't be able to do when
they need if and when they need to course correct
in January or February. So taking on a long term
contract and kind of moving off sort of you know
the course they're on for next summer, it's possible. I
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think it's possible. They don't really have the margins to
make mistakes on that type of stuff, you know, like
they don't have a first round pick. Like one of
the guys that comes up a lot right is Jared Vanderbilt.
Jared Vandabilt is on a long term contract and currently
is being paid more than his league value. So if
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the Lakers were to try to use Jared Vanderbilt in
the trade the way that when I talk to my
source about it, they would have to attach draft capital
to do it right. And if they want Jared Vanderbilt
to not be on their team and they want to
add draft cable to it, like if they had the
thunders draft pick Arsenal, like, you can do that. You've
got room to make mistakes and to correct them. The
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Lakers right now are functionally like without an a race here,
like like they don't want to use their final shot
to correct something like that, or of course correct on
that front. And if you're trading for KCP and you're
not getting draft capital back in that deal or God's
forbid it, if you're sending it even out, like you
just leave yourself with you are cementing your It's like
(24:19):
getting a tattoo, you know what I mean, Like that
is your team team. There's no there's no pencil on
that eraser. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Absolutely? Which tells me they're not doing it. That's what
it tells me, they're not doing it capital.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I mean, teams call on people all the time, you
know what I mean, Like that's like that's you. You
call around, you see what the prices are and stuff
like that, and you you know, I mean, I think
like in terms of like the Jordan Goodwin situation, you know,
like the cost to create a roster spot right now
would have been as like ground pick, like you just
(24:55):
just have one. They really really like Jordan Goodwin, you know.
I just I think they ultimately decided that it wasn't
worth you know, using like one of their few pieces
I mean again few few pieces of draft capital that
they have access to right now, you know too, to
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clear a roster spot for a twelfth guy like that
just didn't line up for them for an eleventh guy.
So I think that's that's that's the issue, right And
you know, if it sounds like I'm carrying water for
a Plinka. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just trying.
I'm trying to like explain what I my understanding, the
overall thinking and and that's why it's difficult to really
(25:41):
like you just have to hit on the margins. And
that's why, like where I look at the Lakers offseason
and I think it's been a real success is that
like they've been able to, at least on paper, address
some needs. And they've done it without like having to
go and like into debt on their their their their
limited capital. They haven't had to use that first round
pick to like shake loose Nick Claxton to be their center.
(26:03):
You know, they were able to do it, you know,
pretty organically.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
All Right, Dan, thanks for coming on, Thanks for being
organic with us today. Talk you again soon, guys.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm gonna go rip a Marlboro Red with Almo. Go
get it in solter Lets, sulter Less.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Old school. Here's the deal. Pay us what you always?
What does that mean? And when was that said? That's next?
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Speaker 2 (27:02):
Come on, come on now, it's Monday. Do you lie?
Twenty first Rodery Pete, Fred Rogan and five seventy LA Sports.
Come on, Freddie, Let's go what you got? I just
want to say, is Kate still in here? Kevin? Kate?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Tim Kate's during the break has given me a hard time.
He's given me a hard time.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Tim. I want you to talk about what you said
to me.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, Fred, last week I was on vacation somewhat and
I was down in the desert Coachella Valley, and of
course I had to race to a TV to watch
What is It Going?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Rogan?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
The Rogan Report?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What is It?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Rogan Report?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Is What it Is It?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
On the NBC Palm Springs because I wanted to see
the show, and I was. I was glued to the
TV for the first ten minutes. Fred, you had be hooked.
Paul McCartney coming to the Acrosher Center and uh, all
the tickets are sold out. And the people can't see
it because the bots bought them all your thoughts, oh, like, uh,
you had a man and a woman on this set there.
(28:01):
I don't forgot their names, like Patricia and Richard, Like Patricia,
can you believe this? What are we gonna do? Who's
gonna go? The fox bought them all?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh my god? All right, all right. First of all,
if you were why didn't you call me?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I didn't want to bother your Fred, like you were
hard at work?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
What do you bother? That's what I do? Trust me.
I got time.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Then I waited around for segment two when you did
something about the neighbors, you know, like, oh, my mail
hasn't been delivered in three days, says Barbara Rivet in
Cathedral City.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I want to tell you.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I do want to tell you something toim God, that
made me laugh so hard again. First of all, that
is a different model for local news. It's a different
way to do it right. And second, not only does
it when it's time period, but it makes more money
than any half hour in this market.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, have me hope for the first ten minutes, Fred,
I can't turn it.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Fred's out there. You see Fred's latest post, though, Fred
Fred is out there soliciting influencers, Spanish speaking influencers.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Is that you with the wine glass asking for esponol?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yesol?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh my god, I can't believe you brought that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You can't sneak it in when you put it out
on Instagram, Fritt, All right, since you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Listen, by the way, We went to a nice place
down there in Lakena. I think it's called stuff Crust
down in A. Yeah, it's real nice.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Are you down here?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Why didn't you call?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I was down there for four days.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Friend, Jesus Christ, call me next time.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I don't want to bother you Fred to dinner. Well,
I would have taken you up on that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, of course, if I'm paying, you'll call.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
We went to the Adobe Grill to Lakeenttha Resort. That
was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
There's nothing wrong with that. It's an mean What was
the temperature down there?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Though?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
It actually cool down? It was ninety eight on Thursday.
It was one hundred and four the day before. It
was hot on Tuesday. So it was cold here in
the valley, and it was cold in the Coachella Valley. Okay,
cold relatively speaking, relatively.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, it could have been one hundred and twenty. All right,
so listen to him next time. Call me all right, seriously,
I'll take you care.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Get your number again.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I think you changed it.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, I didn't change my number. You text me all
the time. And as for the other thing, Rodney, thank
you for bringing it up. I am looking for yes,
all right, but there's one problem. I'm gonna be honest
with you. I'm looking for Spanish language influencers on social
(30:49):
media for a project i'm working on. Now, that's what
i'd put on my Instagram. The problem is, and remember this,
I don't speak Spanish. So if you don't respond to
me in English, I don't know. Oh, I have people
that speak Spanish. It will work with me on the.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Prom So you've got responses, but they were in Spanish.
Some of them didn't go well. Just gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm just like copy paste, translate chat GPT okay.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I am.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm looking for Spanish language social media influencers for a
project i'm working on.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
There you go put it out there, Fred, Damn, I
can't believe you said that. I try. I try to
keep them separate. We do what we do. Fred, it's hey,
everything's intermingled nowadays. Let's go. Well, let me put it
like this.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Me looking for Spanish language influencers is not like hosting
King's Court.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, come along, you know what I mean. What
you did there, Let's see what you did there? Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Me working on something called no Tcious Coachella Valley is
not like having a show on Pigcock.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know what I mean? Hey, you got to start
somewhere for you never know. Yeah, you making a dent
down there. Timmy Kates is down there, riveted first ten minutes,
can't take his eyes off the TV. You making a
dent into Coachella Valley. Next thing you know, you're going
to be introducing Beyonce at the festival. Okay, So if
(32:34):
you are down here in the Coachella Valley, you can
email me and say hello. I'm not taking everybody to dinner.
That only extended to Tim Cakes. I'm just being honest.
But if you're down here, at least you know, say hello. Okay,
Now we have to do our story in the next segment, Rodney,
Oh yeah, we have to do pay us what you
(32:55):
owe us. Yes, they coming up next. All right, let's
just do it. Right now, Kevin. All right, Kevin's going
you blew it today.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Fred, I didn't exactly word it that way.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, but that's what you meant, yes or no? Yes, okay, fine.
We have two pairs of Dodger tickets to give away
right now for the game tomorrow night. Two graars of
tickets right now for tomorrow night. Eight six six nine,
eight seven, two five seventy. Rodney would call her number
number five and number eight.
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Speaker 2 (33:44):
Come on, let's go, Fred. I'd be Fred Rogan eight
speaking of a Megan Stallion girl, Meghan D. Stallion heard
Clayton Thompson are an item. Did you know that? I
heard that? Yeah? Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, they could happen.
(34:06):
Wasn't wasn't it? Somebody was shocked to see them together,
didn't think it was real. Yeah, a lot of people
were shocked, didn't think was real. They now, they're now,
They're wide open in the public. And working out together
and doing all kinds of stuff. It's all good. She
just wanted somebody to let her be her? What that's all?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Did?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me be me? Baby, that's all we're asking. Is
that too much to ask?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
I don't think so, he says, someone who's nice and
treats her with respect. What a novel concept?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Does that exist? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Well, apparently so far with her and Clay Thompson, it does.
We ain't body that's met. Clay knows that obviously, and
knows Michael and knows that family. It wouldn't be any different.
But apparently he's the first of that ilk fred that
she's ever been with.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So well, you know, you keep looking long enough, right,
and you find it. Kiss enough frogs, you get the prints.
Oh really, he stayed with a prince long enough he
turns to a frog and that's when you leave exactly.
And that's called don't sign a prenup.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So here's here's the slogan, pay us what you owe us?
So where does that come from? The w NBA best.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Players wore those warm up shirts during their pregame at
the All Star Game. The WNBA players, pay us what
you owe us. Those are their warm up shirts before
the All Star Game. Just what do you think of
that approach, Rodney. First, I liked that they all wore it.
(35:51):
I like that they all came together and agreed to
do something collectively that's gonna benefit Then you know, Kayln Clark,
who didn't play, didn't because she was injured and decided
she couldn't play, wore the shirt.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Uh and more of us as well. So I think
it was a good sign of of of camaraderie and
being able to stick together. It was a little harsh
of a of a message I think put out there.
I get it m W n b A has has
(36:29):
gone to a different level now, but it's only just
started going to that different level most of these and
I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, but I
believe this this year or next year or will be
the first year that they will be in the black.
It has lost money a single year, So in one regard,
(36:52):
you're like, well, you got to have one more than
one year of success before you start paying it. But
I do agree that they are drastically unpaid be professionals,
and some of the things that they had to deal
with and in terms of travel and stay and lodging.
All those things should be really unacceptable if you're going
(37:13):
to have a professional league. But to get the in
your face, pay us what you owe us, there's it
just opens it up to a lot of arguments on
the other side when okay, you want to see the books.
Let's just show you the books of where we are
and how much money we really make. And this is great,
Kaylin Clark has added a boost to it, but we
have to we have to show more than one year
(37:35):
of revenue before we go crazy and give you fifty
percent of the revenue like they do in the NBA.
I do believe, don't get me wrong, I do believe
they need to get paid a little bit more. Thank
god the travel has picked up. But it kind of
felt like a little bit of not to the certain
extent of one on one like Shack to doctor Buss
(37:58):
when he said you need to pay me coming down
to court was kind of in your face and just
relieve you know, spelled the demise of Shack in LA.
But again, I would say that the fact that they
all came together to do this, because I'm sure there
was probably some dissensions and people like is this the
(38:18):
right thing to do. But they came in agreement and
said yes, the majority wanted to do it, and they
did it. So good for them. They're standing up for
themselves and you know they're making a mark and they're
trying to get trying to strike with the irons hot
because it is as popular as ever been right now.
So maybe this is the time to get people to
stand up and recognize Fred. What do you think I
thought it was tacky? I did. That's not the time
(38:42):
for that.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Look, the problem with the WNBA, if there was one,
was people didn't want to watch the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That was the problem.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It doesn't matter if they play. I could have a
balls and jacks league. If nobody wants to watch it,
it doesn't matter. And that's the thing they didn't understand, Well,
we're playing or we're not being treated equally. Yes, because
it's not equal because nobody wants to watch what you're doing. Now,
in years, it has improved, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, more
(39:15):
players coming into the league. Suddenly there are storylines, there's
more excitement and what's happening.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
People are starting to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, at that point, now you have conversations, but you
cannot think, well, I do the same thing that person does,
so I should be paid the same. Yes, but no
one's paying the same to see you as they are
to see them. And it's always built on what the
market will bear. I mean it was embarrassing the WNBA
(39:45):
players did not fly charter. That was embarrassing. I mean
it was completely Embarrassingah, it was.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Nineteen fifties. I mean, come on, you gotta be better
than that. Yeah, you got a group of fifteen women
walking through the airports commercially, you know you can't do
it all six foot tall. It's a stake. Come on,
Oh what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
All right?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So they figured that out recently recently. You know, in
the WNBA, nobody watches un as Caitlin Clark plays.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right, I mean we know that. That's why she's on
every game that fever play basically right, right. They want
to see her. Some players hate her for that. They
should all love her for that because she is giving
them exposure. She's the one that caught fire, caught the
imagination of the nation. It takes time, it's not easy.
(40:35):
No one's saying it's fair. But again, if you what
you do does not generate the interest or revenue that
let's say the NBA does. It's not going to be.
But they're not saying that for that's what they wanted
to say. They wanted to make it clear they're not
saying pay you pay me like the NBA players, or
even pay the percentage that the NBA players are getting.
(40:56):
It was you know now that the league is starting
to make money, me pay us what we think it
is a fair market rate. So I heard a lot
of them say that that's what they wanted to make clear.
That they don't expect to get paid like NBA players
or even share in the revenue like they do. But
something has got to change in the way it's been
(41:18):
done right now. It's it's it's fine to make that point.
It's fine to make that argument. It's good to ask
for that. Yeah, I agree with you. Three years down
the road, if they're still in the same situation, then
I I'm all for that. Right there you go, And
that's exactly right. Everything. It's fine to want it, to
bring it up to have conversations. It's too soon to
(41:40):
make the Grand Slam play.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Well, I will say it's coming up now because they're
in CBA talks and their deal is up. I believe
after next season is what it is. So I was
coming to it now because now this is where you
negotiate that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Here's what will happen here, here's what will happen if
it goes sideway. And see the players can't I mean
they can say what they want and posture. If that
goes sideways, I assure you they will get locked out.
I guarantee they will get locked out.
Speaker 6 (42:12):
Correction, it's up this year in October.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Then they will get locked out if it goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Because anybody that's invested in the WNBA, sure your money's
in it. You want to make money, you need to
play the games, but you don't lose the kind of
money you do in Major League Baseball or the NFL,
And those people.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Can probably sit.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
So I'm just saying, this is a very delicate time
to get what you want and how you go about
getting it. So I don't think wearing that shirt was
the way to go about getting it.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
Yeah, and I will say the WNBA just signed a
new TV contract last year right for eleven years and
two point two billion dollars. So to your point into
Rodney's point, They're actually gonna start generating revenue for the
first time, more than they ever have. So that's why
they play are saying, Okay, now we're generating revenue. Now
we decide we should get more of the pie than
the nine percent of revenue that we've been getting.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So that's Hevin.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You said, what two and a half billion over eleven years?
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Two point two billion dollars and eleven years, Yes, spread
out over eleven years. Yeah, well, two hundred million dollars
per year for the league.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
The NBA contract I just think on Peacock is two
billion dollars.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
You're right, Well, that goes to Rodney's point too. They're
not asking for the same amount of money that the
NBA players are getting. They just want a larger point
a piece of the pie than nine percent of the
money that the league generates.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
So what they're getting.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Now, if you're two hundred million dollars a year from
the TV deal, what do you think it costs to
operate the franchise? I have no idea what does it
cost to operate it? And they have been losing money,
they've been on the red yep. Yeah, some oys just
play more games because it is popular. Now, if you
play a little bit more games, then you can maybe
generate more revenue. Do you lose money if you If
(43:53):
your revenue from TV's two hundred million. Wait a minute,
that's two hundred million a year, then you have to
divide it up amongst all the.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Team correct, yes, which I believe there's fifteen or sixteen
teams something like that.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's like, yeah, twenty million.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Dollars thirteen teams. There are thirteen tea.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
What are like twelve million dollars each, so they're making
twelve Each team's making twelve million dollars from the TV
deal or thirteen million. That's that putting anybody over.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Thirteen million, it probably takes you from the red into
a little bit into the black.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's what I'm saying is that like each team is
getting two hundred million. It's like the NFL, where you
get three hundred million dollars a team that's like thirteen
fourteen million dollars a year. That might be the difference
between losing money and breaking.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Even and you're not having not every team is the
Indiana fever that's selling out every every game, right or
Vegas who's done well in won titles and selling out.
There are other teams around the league that they don't
get the kind of tendants and draw. Do the Sparks
make money. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Is Magic one of the owners. I know he was,
I don't know if he still is. Okay, do they
make money and how much do they make? So you
gotta look at it that way again. I hear what
the players are saying, they should travel better, they should
have the things are asking for, But wearing that shirt
in that setting, if I'm a league owner, I'm not pleased.
(45:27):
If I'm an owner, I'm not pleased. I'd be more
apt to be hard line. Don't embarrass yourself and don't
embarrass us.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
In that setting.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's the All Star game. Go out, celebrate the sport.
We all know what needs to be done. We're all
gonna work toward it, but.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Don't kind of talk and dialogue behind closed doors, and
we're gonna keep talking if it see. I don't know,
and Keviny said it's up in October. Maybe it's gotten
we don't know. Maybe the talks have gotten ugly and
that's why they are frustrated at its point, Maybe talks
have not been very good, and they've felt that they
had to do something. We don't know all the details
(46:08):
of it, but I would be if if we didn't
know any of this and it was just, you know,
just talks. I agree with you, just you know, try
to work it out behind closed doors. You know, you
got time. If talks start to fall, maybe during the championship.
That's something that you make a statement during.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
All right, next hour, one more pair of tickets to
give away Dodgers and Twins Tomorrow night tail Her Nice
her Tarosk Garnada's bibblehead Night will give those away tomorrow.
Next hour for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Well he come back, Let's get out to the stadium.
David de Vasse
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