July 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Clayton Kershaw was Ned Colletti's first draft pick when he was the GM of the Dodgers and Ned joins us to talk about the career and legacy of Clayton. Now that Jake Paul is ranked, is he a 'legit' boxer?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And we continue on Big Ben mallorin today for Rodney
on a five to seventy LA Sports an appropriate day
to have this man on the show. Every day he's on,
it's appropriate, Ben. I mean, we love sure, but this
is really special because let's bring on the man in
the big chair net collecting Net. How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Doing great? Gentlemen doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Did you draft Clayton Kershaw?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was a GM when we drafted. It was our
first pick, my first pick in that seat, and we
had great scouts, did a lot of great work on him.
But yeah, I've known him since he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think why did you pick him?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, we had a team that was coming, We had
young players, and if you look at that draft, he
was picked seventh. The first six picks were college kids,
and we thought we had time to develop. We thought
that he had tremendous his competitiveness left handed, and a
great feel and a great mind for what he was doing,
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especially at that age, and we were hopeful that he
would continue to drop in the draft. I mean he
didn't drop far. He dropped you know, the seven, but
it was it was it was not really a gamble
of a pick it was. And again, you know, greatness comes,
like I said last spectrum, greatness comes in stages. So
I don't know anybody could say, yeah, he's going to
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strike out three thousand when three cy Youngs win too
a World Series and MVP is a pitcher and all that,
and be over one hundred games, over five hundred. But
he knew that the ability to be that good was there,
and the competition and the mindset was was also right there.
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And really his his hunger to continually get better. Oh
my goodness. I've seen a lot of athletes, and there's
a lot of players that are really good at the
outset and kind of just stay there, which is fine.
But you know, if we have time, I'll tell you
a story about when I when I had to send
him down on its first his first few months in
the big leagues.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
We have time right now, tell.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, well, the intro to it is, uh, we drafted
them in six in O eight, we bring him to
We're gonna bring him the spring training, but for a
game we're playing the Red Sox, I think in Vero Beach,
and I tell Joe Torre, our manager, and Rick Huntecott,
the great pitching coach. You know, I'm gonna bring them over.
And they had heard about him, and Rick had probably
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seen them sometimes to a minor league run. But I said, well,
I'm gonna bring him over, but you can't have him
quite yet because there's still work to be done. But
I want to give him the exposure. I want him
to get to know you guys, and vice versa. And
he came in pitching against the Red Sox and did great,
and as soon as I walked into the locker room
after that game, they said, we got to have him
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right now, out right there. Yet the analytical world was
not certainly not what it is today, but I had
I had a small staff of analytical minds at you know,
from Stanford and Tulane and some really good schools. And
I said, I need research done on high school pitchers
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when they get to the big leagues after two years
of being a professional. What is the workload that we
can really expect without putting them in danger or having
their work tail off as the season goes on. And
we came up with a certain number. Dwight Gooden was
somebody we had looked at who was a high school
draft for the Mets. Obviously a great, great pitcher, and
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we looked at others. So I needed to buy us
some time. We also needed to be you know, have
them get read a little bit more refined, and so
we brought them up in May, and you know, he's
getting his feed wet. You know, struck out our good
friend Skip Schumacher number one of three thousand and pitch well.
But I mean, if you look back at it, his
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strikeouts to walk was about two to one. His batting
average against was not much. He was great, but his
ability to command the strike zeone wasn't what it needed
to be. So he would be up in the eighty
ninety hundred pitch mark four innings in five innings in
he's twenty years old or whatever he was at that stage,
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probably twenty twenty one maybe, and we needed, we needed
this better command of his pinions. And I remember talking
to him and we sent him down for a little while,
and he wasn't happy about it, and I said, look
look at the batting average against. They can't hit you,
but look at the number of walks, look at the
number of long innings that you have, and look how
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much we're going into the bullpen. And you know, we
need you to, you know, to get better at this.
It's not that you're not going to be great, but
this is something that needs an adjustment. And wasn't happy
about it, but went down and worked at it, and
then you know, five or six years go by, and
here he is, I think maybe at the time the
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greatest strikeout to walk ratio in the history of the sport.
But if you look back at a second year, first year,
second year, he's striking out almost two hundred batters for
the year and walking one hundred. Well, that doesn't that
doesn't cut it in the big leagues. So that was
you know, I'm the only you know, we drafted him,
but I'm the only guy ever sent him to the
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minor leagues too. But he came back better, and we've
had a couple of conversations about it, and after it
all kind of settled down, but you know, he wasn't
happy with it, but he needed to do it, and
to his credit, he not only did it, but he
became probably the best, maybe the best in the history
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of the sport, but certainly the best over a twenty
year period with his strikeout to walk ratio. So, for
whatever that's worth, it, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Ned when you were in those early days before Clayton
became you know, the Clayton we know over his career.
Was there a temptation. I'm sure his name came up
and trade talked when you were a GM there with teams.
I was assumed they were pursuing him. Was that ever
a consideration before he established himself.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think it's the GM's responsibility to listen to every
call you get of that nature. But I can tell
you with one hundred percent accuracy, there was never a
chance that I was trading Clayton Kershaw during my tenure.
Not one nothing I would eat. I mean, nobody would
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offer what I would need, And it was going to
be an unreasonable ask because he's tough. People of his
not just talent, but his caliber of integrity and work
ethic and passion for what he does. You're not going
to replace that. It's not like you could say, well,
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we'll get a couple of good players back for him,
and then we'll go find another one. You go, you
may spend the rest of your career looking for another one.
It doesn't happen like that. So, you know, never never
came up, really never something I even toyed with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Not at what point did you believe you can't go
well from the very beginning. No, at what point during
his career did you believe, Oh, this guy is really something,
really really something. When did that light bulb go on?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well again, I mean we we always thought that he
was going to be quote something, but it was probably
nine and that period of time there. We went to
the LCS and eight young guy, young pitcher, and then
nine and I brought Maddox in a Greg Maddocks at
the end of eight. I had been with Greg for
a long time in Chicago, then traded form and six
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and then brought him back in eight. His last game
as a pitcher was in Dodger Stadium for US in
the LCS. But I I wanted to put him next
to Clayton. And I think Clayton's development and being around
greatness like Greg, one of the greatest of all time
as well right hand and not left handed, helped helped him.
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I don't want to speak for Clayton, but I think
in nine I started to see more and more development
and and just taking extra steps. And I think one
of the one of the great one of the great
qualities of many great qualities of Clayton is that the
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and I'm I'm just saying that, from my opinion, there
was always another mountain to climb, and always a chance
to get better, always a chance to get smarter with
what he did. And I can't tell you I seen
that exclusively in my athletic career, where people are rarely satisfied.
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And I think, finally, as I look at him now,
and I haven't spoken to him for a little while,
but I think he's more at peace today than he's
probably ever been professionally. But he's also earned it after
eighteen years in the big leagues and everything else that
he's done and who he is. But his desire and
his passion and his quest to not be satisfied with
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what he did, I think has driven him to a
height that very few in any walk of life get to. Plus,
as I said earlier, his integrity, His family. You know, Ellen,
I think I sat with her and her her father
perhaps at Chay Stadium his rookie year, and you know,
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we're probably just still dating, but anyway, you know just
who he is.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Maybe the greatest all around person player I've been around
on a daily basis. And I've been around a lot
of guy in Cooperstown and a lot of guys that
are among the most heralded in the history of sport,
any sport. But I there's not much more I could say.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Gosh, we're talking with the great Ned Kaletti here am
five seventy Ned. What about the debate, the great sports
radio debate we talked about a little bit last hour
or a couple hours ago. Where does Kershaw rank? You've
watched baseball, you've worked in baseball all these years. Where
does he rank in the pantheon of Dodgers starting pitching
all time?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, it's an organization that is. You know, if you
talk to anybody for the last fifty sixty years about
the Dodgers, Okay, give me one thing they're known for.
You start with pitching and go back to the Sandy
kofax Don Drysdale. Before that, you know Padres and on
and on and on, don nukemb just the pitching has
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always been the foundation of any great team's success. But
certainly there success. I don't I don't rank. I would
just say that as you look at the accomplishments and
how he's gone about what he's done, if you had
if you were doing a draft and you had a
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list of the ten greatest pitchers in Dodger's history, many
people are gonna take him first. Probably not everybody, but
many people are gonna take him first. And that's no
knocking anybody, because there's if you had ten people taking
ten pitchers, you know it might be evenly divided. Who knows,
but it's tough to be better than he is. When
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when you look at his one loss record and that
he has yet to lose one hundred games at the
big league level. I'm gonna go back to Greg Maddick,
who I have so much respect for. Now, Greg lost
over two hundred games in the big lets pitch a
bit longer, but still you know that this this person
has not lost a hundred games in the big leagues
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is remarkable. One other thing, and it's a stat so
statsk you can make him say whatever you want him
to say. It used to be a big deal when
a pitcher got to three thousand strikeouts, people would say, well,
how many walks did he have? And Greg Maddox was
one of the greatest of all time. I think he
had nine to ninety nine. If I'm not mistaken. Clayton
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hasn't walked seven hundred guys, so again, going back to
the earlier story of it was a two to one
ratio early in his career. And then you look at
his development and his persistence to become very good at
what he did and to put himself in the advantage
in probably eighty percent of the advants that the opposition
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had by getting ahead in the count or mixing his
pitches or being able to command to strike some. You
look at all of that, and he hasn't. He's become
one of the greatest strikeout to walk people of all time,
you know, So those two things, as a look at stats,
it's mind boggling to me that he hasn't lost one
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hundred games in the show yet and maybe not, maybe
he won't if this is his last year, and that
he hasn't even walked seven hundred guys and has struck
out three thousand. You know, is that a misprint? That's
That's what it almost makes you do, because it's like
it doesn't happen. But that's that's what he's accomplished, and
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his spirit and his drive to be the absolute best
at what he does, not for himself entirely either, but
for his teammates, for the organization, for uh, the fans
of LA, for the fans of baseball to be the
absolute best at what he does, which you know what
you gotta you gotta tip your cap and you gotta
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you gotta give him, you know, give them the the
praise and the accolades that he's earned, because it you know,
he earned it. He just earned it across the board.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
That Kali was all right, I want to shift gears
mix Munsey injured last night.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah. They chose not to show the replay. We talked
about this in the first hour. Some people said you
should have shown it. Dodgers said, doesn't look very good.
We're not going to show it again. What do you
think about that, Ned, you've worked some TV, Well.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I guess I would have ard on the side of well,
you know, that's part of the game is he's a
big player, especially you know he's had for many years
and certainly the last year. You know, it's what people
why people watch or why people go to games. It's
like years ago if it was a close call, before
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you had instant replay, the teams were they were instructive,
but nobody would ever show a close call where an
umpire's decision could go either way. And so people are paying,
you know, hard earned money to go to an event
and they don't even really know what happened, because even
if you're alive, if you're if you're paying attention to
the game, you can't see exactly what happened on a
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close play. And then replay came in and boom, you
get to see the replay, which is great, all different
angles will motion, all of that. You know, I think
that you know, you have a prominent player get hurt.
You know, it's you know, how do you how do
you even discuss it? All you know is that he
came off the field and looked like he was in
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great pain. And you know, hopefully he'll he'll be able
to recover in time for the the rest of the season.
But you know that that's all you really got to
work on if you don't see the replay, not that
you're a doctor that a replay is going to tell
you the story, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
For sure, And I reason you don't know right now,
as we're talking how long months he's gonna be out.
We assume he's gonna be out for a while so
put your GM hat on. If your your trade deadlines
at the end of the month, if months, he's out
for a couple of months, do the Dodgers need to
add an infield? Do they do it internally? What do
you think they're going to do here?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, that's a great question, and you know that's really
obviously here asking me. But I mean, I'm not in
the room, so it's I'm coming at it only from
a from an outsider's perspective, but having having been in
a room years ago, I think you have to look
at your own, your your club and really be honest
with yourself as Okay, how do we replace if we
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have to replace Max, how do we do it? Can
we do it internally? Do we have players that are
not getting enough at bats? Can we do it? Because
once you get to that deadline, it's like driving from
LA to Phoenix in the desert, and you know, if
you had no gas station, you better have a full
tank of gas and you better have your radiator fixed
before you get in the middle of the desert because
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you're not going to get much help. Once you get
past the deadline, you've got something big that you need
to do. It's going to be a tough time to
get any help at that point in time. Not that
it's easy before July thirty first, but it's it gets
much difficult more difficult near the end. So you got
to look at your whole club. I mean, I have
people that need more at bats, that can play the position. Again,
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it's not a positions you can put anybody at. There's
people who can play, and there's people who can't play.
They can play it for a day, but they're not
going to play it for three months. So a lot
of different things you got to think about. But they
know best. They know where they're at, they know where
their health is at besides besides Max, and they know
what where players are at, whether or not there's more
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that they can give or more of time that they
they've earned or whatever. But you got to check everything out,
and you've got to be aware of everything, and you
got to you got to prepare for the unknown, knowing
that there's going to be stuff that happens that you
don't know what it's gonna be. You don't know what's
gonna happen, but you know something's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
As I'm sitting here thinking about it Key k can
play third base, so you can play Mickey Rojas over
there if you had to.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Don't as I just think about it. Maybe Kim, I
don't know if he can play third base. I'm just
trying to think who can play third base?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Net Well, I think in the next the next week
you're gonna find out. In a week is a short
period of time. But let's say what next seven to
ten days games you can find out and and that
will help help you make a decision as to if
you need to go out and find somebody else who
could do it. Again, there's not you know, you're if
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you're if you're sitting in the seats or you're you know,
like me sitting in the seats. You know you think, well,
you know, if the Cardinals fall out of it, we
know that they've got a guy that you know, those
name has been brought up many times and it can
sell play and can sell pick it and great player.
So you know, do you do that? But you need
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know this this isn't the big the big warehouse where
you just go on Aisle six and pick out whoever
you need, whatever you need. You know, it's it's a
lot more complicated than that. But I think in the
next seven to ten days you'll know more about Max
and I think you'll you'll see what the what the
relative choices are, and then you still got weeks to
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go before you before you got to make that ultimate decision.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, and need What about I'm talking with Nick Letty here.
What about? We talked about Mookie Bets there and his
issues offensively this year. He's not the same Mookie Bets
we've seen with the Dodgers or back in his days
with the Red Sox. What do you think the best
course of action is for the Dodgers here? There's been
talking about moving him back to the outfield. What do
you think how would you handle Let me ask you that,
how would you handle?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Move?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Again, you know it's I'll answer it, you know, not
really answering it, because for me to really answer it,
I'd have to know far more than I know. I know.
I don't know enough to really answer it. I know
he plays hard. I know he's not a big body guy.
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You know, he's his effort is max. His thought process
is off the chart. There's so many great attributes to him.
You know, he's playing a position and he's played it
far better. But again, it's it is not an easy
position to play. If people don't want to necessarily say, well,
it's because he changed position, it's not that he has
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to think it through and doesn't understand it. I think
he's proven that he that he knows how to play
it now. But I think the physicality of it is
it's different than playing the outfield. I just believe it's different,
and I think it's one of the most the tough,
one of the toughest positions physically to play. People could
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argue with me, that's cool, but you know so, I
don't know. But I don't know if what happened to
him at the at the outset of the season, losing
all the weight and not feeling right, then if there's
still a lingering effect to that, if it's if it's
related to not spending too much time thinking about the
defense but really just playing the position, if that's taking
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its toll, or if he's just in a bit of
a slump. I know I'd rather have him than not
have him, and I'd rather have him in the lineup
than I'd always want him in the lineup and where
he plays, and and things like that. Well, those are
decisions that that people who see the game from a
different vantage point are better better equipped to talk about
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and to think. True. But obviously you're talking about one
of the one of the absolute great players of this
generation and maybe many generations.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, Ned, you're one of the great players of all time.
You're one of the great guys ever, and we appreciate
you coming on.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, I'm not sure how good a scouts you are,
but I appreciate the comments.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Take care, have a good fourth guys.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I love because Ned like, I'm not gonna answer the question,
but I'm gonna answer the question. I love that. I
love as I'm gonna give you an answer, but I'm not.
I'm not gonna give you the answer you want. He
pretty much said that, I love that. That is the best.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah that has come on Ben and told us stories
that have made us just how laughing, just stuff he's
gone through when he was in baseball. He's really a
charming guy, funny guy, and just a really really person. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I remember when Dad was the GM and I I
was around him a decent amount and he always light
up the room. When Ned's in the room, he's the
center of the room. He's always I respect, I'm not
like that, Fredd. He's got stories about everything, and he's
a great storyteller, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, Kevin and I went over to Foreman's one day
with him and uh, he had us laughing. He's got
a lot of stories.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Got stories on top of stories on top of stories.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, he's good. Okay, So we are going to talk
about Jake Paul and if he's a legitimate fighter. Did
you see what has happened to his opponent from the weekend?
Have you ever seen the story? It is mind boggling
and we will do it when we come back. Tonight,
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Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ben Meller is sitting in today for Rodney. I gotta
throwback Thursday. That's right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
All right? So I want to talk about Jake Paul
Over the weekend, he beat Julio Caesar Chavez Junior and
in doing so finally was ranked by the WBA. He's
ranked fourteenth. So we'll start with this. You see, now
a legitimate fighter, Ben.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
All right, So I know he's very litigious, Fred, So
I want to preface this by saying, this is my opinion.
You can't sue me for my opinion. Absolutely not, no chance,
zero che I do not take him seriously in my opinion,
not real. And I think, you know boxing, I grew
up with boxing, but I didn't grow up with MMA
and all that that's more popular now UFC and all that.
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I was a boxing fan when I was growing up,
big fights and all that. But it's embarrassing. I know
they still have the alphabet soup, they have all these
different boxing organizations and all that, but it's embarrassing that
they put him in the rankings like this isn't the
ultimate grifter move in my opinion, what he's been doing,
and to give that credibility, that's a joke. I don't
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I don't buy it. And you know, listen, he's made
a lot of money. I give him credit. He's made
a lot of money. He's found a niche, both the
Paul brothers have found a niche to make money. And
good for them and all that, but I don't, I
don't take it seriously.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What about you, Fred, Yeah, here's the thing. I thought
it was folly at first. And you know, I said,
actually after the last one, I'm not ever gonna watch
him anymore because and I didn't watch this one, by
the way. Yeah, but now if he's legitimately ranked, now
let's see what really happens. I mean, your your concern
should be that they've even ranked them. But now he's
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he's ranked. Now he's got to fight.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But there's there's four, aren't there four different bodies in
three or four? I forget how ready, But there's more
than there's more than just one. So one of them
has done it, not the you know the three and
you know, Fred, the history of boxing right now, you know,
back in the early days with the mafia in the
thirties and forties right now, the matches would be rigged
in boxing to this day. Is still fighting those those battles.
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But I don't take him seriously. And uh, was it
was it the Mike Tyson? He fought Mike Tyson?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Was that last year?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That was? Uh? I think it was last year.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that smelled. That one smelled.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You know, you talk about boxing and being rigged. When
I was doing boxing for NBC at the Olympics, it
was generally known that boxing was fixed. And I think
we were in Athens where you could actually see people
walking around and paying the judges off. You could actually
see it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It wasn't even a question did that make the broadcast?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Though?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fred? Did that make the broadcast?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
All right? And that's fair, that's fair. So here was
the problem. Bob Papa and Teddy Atlas were calling the
fights and they were so infuriated by what they were
seeing that they would sit there and talk about it
on the air. And I was in the venue at
that time. I wasn't back in Stamford. We were still
traveling then, and I talked about what you saw because
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you saw it, you couldn't miss it. It was so open. Well,
the the Boxing Federation got pissed at Bob and Teddy
and took him out of the arena. NBC pays for
spots in the arena for the Olympics, and they have
specific spots designated for them that they pay extra for boxing.
One of the venues, and they were right up next
to the ring. They made them leave. They put them
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back in the International Broadcast Center and made him call
the fights off monitors because they were so infuriated by
what they were saying. And it was known, and there
was a point then where it was so bad with
Olympic boxing they were thinking about kicking boxing out of
the Olympics. That's how bad it was. And it was
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and it was just obvious. It was obvious they've cleaned
it up. NBC used to devote an awful lot of
time to boxing. I mean we would have it every
day of the Games on CNBC, every fight. But as
this continued and more people questioned the integrity of the sport,
I think even NBC said, wait a minute, we can't
put this on. So then they would just go to
(27:28):
featured fights and not carry it end to end, wall
to wall, because it was bad.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It was what was the of all the sports you
did in the Olympics, what was the one that you
enjoyed the most and which was the one that you
thought was, boy, what am I doing here? This is
not not particularly good.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They're both. One is both, and I've told the story, okay,
and you will not believe what it is. But by far,
it was the best thing I've ever done at the Olympics,
and that was hosting the curling venue curling curling?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Are you Canadian?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Fred, I'm not, but born in Detroit, just too skip to.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Windsor Southern Canada.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Here was the thing and it really brought me the
one moment in sports that few people will have. I
will always carry with me. And it was just the hair,
you know, the hair in your arm raises when you
think about it. You're in the gold medal match, You're
in Vancouver. It's the Canadian men playing I think it
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was the Swiss they were playing against. I think the
Canadian men are favored to win the gold medal and
they are behind. And in curling, they don't have innings.
They have ends, so an end would be the equivalent
to an inning, and there are ten ends, and they
are behind in the seventh end, and this would be
(28:56):
a major upset and quite frankly, an enormous embarrassment for Canada.
They are behind, and you can sense, you can feel
that there is tension in the arena because it's in Vancouver.
And also understand, hockey is Canada's national sport. I learned
over a period of time you might consider it that,
(29:19):
but curling is right there, and some consider curling their
sport good. They're behind, and now the Canadian men are
about to shoot, which means they're going to they're turned
to toss the rock right, They're going to start this end, gotcha,
and they're in trouble. So there's like two and a
half minutes between the completion of one end and the
(29:40):
start of the other, and probably about thirty seconds before
we start this next end, you look around and the
crowd stands and starts singing the Canadian national anthem. Unprompted,
no q so prompt nobody said hey everybody, because it
(30:03):
was pretty quiet, and there you could hear they stood
and sang the entire Canadian national anthem and the Canadian
man and I think Kevin Martin was the skip or
the captain in curling, who I talked to recently. He's
a great guy. Stood there and the Canadian men all
stood there and just listened to the crowd and stared
(30:26):
at the flag, went out, came from behind and won
the gold medal. That was a great moment to be
a part of.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It's like a Disney movie, Fred.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, it was a Disney movie. And I said on
the air, I've never been a part of anything like this.
I've never even seen anything like this. That was pretty cool.
That was That was a great moment.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
So that was the Olympic moment right there.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, that was the Olympic moment. The other now, the nightmare,
the Nightmare Olympic part of it was we were in
Italy and I was doing curling. Okay, we were doing
curling and NBC was trying something. We were there, but
the production team was back in New Jersey, so there
was nobody there. I was there, We had a runner
(31:11):
there with me, and the guys calling the matches were there,
but the production team for me was back in New Jersey.
So now it's going to be the final day of
our coverage and we get word the day before. Look,
good news, you're going on this morning, Like on MSNBC.
(31:31):
You're going to do a show. We're going to show
the match for whatever it was. I don't know, maybe
the bronze medal. Great, then you'll be on CNBC and
you'll do the gold medal match and it'll start an
hour later. Fantastic. So we go on, we bring you
on the air. We do it. About midway through this broadcast.
Bill Koontz, the producer, also a terrific guy. He says, hey, listen,
(31:56):
they just told us that we're going to do a
curling pregame show before the gold medal match. And I
said to him in the talk back, well, what are
we gonna do? He goes, what we got it, We're
gonna do a curling pregame show. I said, all right,
So we finished whatever this was the bronze medal match. Okay,
we'll see you soon with our curling pregame show on CNBC. Boom,
(32:20):
We're off the air. Thirty minutes later, we have to
start the curling pregame show. So I said, all right, listen,
what are we gonna do? Understand I'm sitting there, he's
in New Jersey, and really, what do I know about
curling to talk about? For thirty straight minutes. Nothing. Yeah,
I mean I got like ten minutes. We got to
do thirty. And this is the network. He goes, all right,
(32:42):
don't worry about it. We're gonna figure it out. You're
gonna be fine. Just go with me on this. So
about ten minutes now before we go on the air,
he says, all right, I got an idea. What I
want you to do. We're gonna tape the guy's call
in the game. Just do it like it's live. Talk
to them, and goes, as long as you can. All right,
(33:03):
So we tape it. It's about nine minutes. I'm thinking, okay,
now he's figuring something out.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Done.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Here comes the open it rolls. Now it's rolling. Yeah,
and now I'm on tape. Welcome to the curling pregame
show of whatever. And now I'm starting to interview these guys. Okay,
now that's nine minutes long. We still have to finish this.
So I said to him, Okay, what's next? He goes,
(33:32):
I'm not really sure. I said, what do you mean
you're not really sure? He goes, I don't know, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't know what's next. So now I'm sitting there.
I'm thinking, oh my god, if we come out of commercial,
it's just going to be me sitting here and I
don't know what to do. So I see these people
walking by because we're in the venue. I go, hey,
you got a minute, come over here and sit down.
So they sit down. I go, okay, welcome back, and
(34:02):
I start interviewing them. I don't know where they were
from or what they were doing. And I'm watching the
monitor and the minute the monitor goes to commercial with
the first pre tape, I thank these people, Hey, thanks
for coming by. All Right, we're back with more after this.
So we come out of the next break and they
roll that. I do this two more times. It's great.
(34:23):
I don't know what I'm doing. And again this is
the network, right, the network.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I finish, the pregame show is over. I send it
to game coverage. I get this a myer. Hey, great job,
great job. I was drenched in sweat. I thought I
was gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You're gonna melt on TV right, life melt down, Ben.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I couldn't move for fifteen minutes. That's why it was
like I had PTSD.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
That's a great ad lib, though, so you just started
interviewing like man on the street type stuff, man in
the arena. That's awesome, brilliant, Well it is.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It just like if somebody was wearing a uniform from
another country here. Yeah, hey, what are you doing? Come
over and sit down.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
That reminds me of the first time I did a
talk radio show years ago, and I'd never you know,
I'd practiced, and I worked in San Diego with Hacksaw
and I learned radio, and then I got my first
show and I spent you know, all I was a
weekend show. It was a Saturday morning, and I spent
all week preparing that first monologue. Right, I absolutely had
everything nailed, and I nailed it, and I had nothing
(35:29):
prepared for the rest of the show. I had no plan, nothing,
I had no idea, and I just I had that
flop sweat, that drowned moment, like oh my god, and
I was like, oh, I don't know what to do,
you know, I like, so ever since then, I've over
prepared for everything, right, I'm like, oh, yeah, never, I'm
never going And like you, I'm sure you know most
of the stuff you prepared you don't even use, but
(35:50):
you have to have it just in case you need it.
You have to be over prepared because you don't want
to be on there drowning on a live microphone. That's
the nightmare.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So the first time I'm ever on the network. One
more story. I've been doing the local sports in LA,
but I'm doing now stuff for the network. This is
the first time. They send me up to San Francisco.
It's NFL time. It's playoff time, and I'm at the
NFC game, which is going to follow the game on NBC.
(36:19):
We had the AFC package. I'm at the NFC game.
They're going to come to me at halftime for a
preview of the NFC game. I think it was Niners Giants.
I don't. Okay, all right, So I'm standing there. Now
I've never been on the network before, so you can
understand I'm already a little nervous. Sure, I'm like twenty
four to twenty five years old, and I'm standing there
and I'm thinking, Okay, i gotta be ready, and I've practiced,
(36:42):
and I say, there's the elevator and the fans are
going into the stadium. I've got it. I am I'm ready.
Do you remember the Ice Bowl game in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Well, of course, yeah, famous, Okay, was that the Chargers
in the bank that Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So it's halftime I believe of that game. Okay, is
the equipment in Cincinnati freezes, so all of a sudden
they can't even get the signal on the air. Now
I'm standing in San Francisco, just minding my own business,
getting ready to go, and I'm watching the monitor and
they come out and they start the halftime show, and
(37:17):
all of a sudden, I see something and it's kind
of something happens on the screen. The next thing I
see and I'm just standing there is me. It's now me,
and I'm looking at the monitor and I'm seeing myself.
I don't say anything because I can't hear anything because
everything is frozen in Cincinnati, and I think, oh, maybe
(37:40):
this is a preview monitor they're showing me. So I'm
sitting there and I'm looking at myself, and then I
hear this in my ear the first time I was
ever on the network. Oh my god, you've got the network.
Take it. Take it now. I'm on right, But I
really don't know what I'm supposed to do. All I
(38:03):
know is I'm now on the network. So I start
talking about whatever I was going to talk about. And
as I look at the elevator with the fans going up,
which I had practiced right, which i'd rehearsed, I look
and I go and look who's here right now? It's O. J. Simpson. No, OJ,
come on over. I must have done seven or eight
(38:27):
minutes talking to OJ, who's like bobbing and weaving and
telling stories. Yeah, and I just kept I pray, just
keep talking, juice man, just keep talking. They'll stop talking.
And finally they go pitch to break, and I pitched
to break. I thanked him and that was the first
(38:47):
time I was ever on the network.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Oh that's great. And you picked the right guy, though,
because OJ was a talker, right, I mean, he was
a lot of things, but he was he liked to talk.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh no, he liked to talk. I was just so
thankful that he just happened to walk by and I
grabbed him. I said, come on in here.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
That's great. Yeah, live you know, live TV, man, live radio,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That's yeah, it's quite Yeah, that is great. All right,
we're back to wrapping up.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
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Speaker 1 (39:37):
App Ben Miller and today for Rodney. Uh, I want
to tell you one more thing. We started talking about
Jake Paul earlier. Yeah, don't want to get political or anything.
He fought uh Julio Caesar Chavez Junior. Okay, Yeah, he
was arrested by eisen deported. That's unfortunate. Yeah, that's they
(39:57):
said he may be a member of the Sentinel Sineloa
drug cartel really supported.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah wow, that sounds like a Netflix documentary series if
that's true.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, pretty wild, but we needed to point that out. Also,
the Dodgers have made a move, and that move is
they claimed infielders C. J. Alexander from the New York Yankees.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I have no idea who that is. Fred have you
ever heard of CJ. Alexander. I've never heard of him. Well,
I looked him up. He did you Intel. This is
why people tune in. They want to hear about CJ.
Is it CJ Alexander? I want to hear who this
guy is?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, well, according to this yeah, oh okay, the A's.
He was on the A's in twenty twenty four. Okay,
spent a lot of the year in Las Vegas, the
Triple A club. On June, the Yankees claimed Alexander off waivers.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Okay, oh, okay, but he's a He's a third baseman, right,
he can play third base's that's one of his positions.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So thirteen appearances for their Triple A team, then they
waived him, and then the Dodgers just picked him up.
All right, Well they haven't.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
They have been made a See, we're waiting for everyone's
waiting for the Max Munsey news, and there's no Max
Monsey news yet. But the fact that they added an infielder, uh,
usually that's a dead giveaway. Fred, that's a dead giveaway.
That's uh that there's another pending roster move in fall
involving Munsie. You gotta think he's going on the injured list,
that he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just a question how long?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, exactly? Is it the sixty days at the short one?
You know how long is he gonna be out, But
hopefully they can do better than CG. No, I don't
know CG. Alexander, but hopefully they do better than him,
you know, just saying talking about saying.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Come on, I mean, come on. This year for the A's.
This year he hit won seventy six. He had three hits.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
That's a good for the A's. That's good. Right if
you're they don't even have a city, they're just called
the A's.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
They're not right.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You're so embarrassed by Sacramento. They can't stay they're in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But here's the thing. When you play for the Dodgers. Yeah,
you're hitting one seventy six for the A's here, that'll
be two ninety. They'll they'll fix him up real fast.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And as the Nature Boy, he had some graphics made
on Ai Fred Mill. They're gonna raise Dodger Stadium up
when they when they make the move, so it'll be
an I got a look, yeah, yeah, I'll send it
to you. Yeah, he made an AI thing raising Dodger
Stadium up like the Mile High City, just like he's
all yeah, Nature.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Boy is the best. All right.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
By the way, before we get out of here because
Ben did ask about this yesterday, about Benoit Benjamin, and
he's been on the show in the past and came
in studio a couple of weeks ago. Big Ben, I
sent you a link. Yeah, documentary is live on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
The Ballad of Banoit Benjamin. I cannot wait to watch this.
I will be sitting or standing on the treadmill and
I will be consuming this and I will flash back
to the glory days at the La Sports Rader Fred.
Remember when there were seventeen people at Clipper games. Ye,
Banoit was there throwing the ball in the crowd and
uh yeah, great throwing.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
The ball to Michael Jordan so we can see what
he can do with it. Yeah, bettle story but told us,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Best story. And a shout out up to Shaun ge
who produced that movie.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
All right, check out, Ben.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Thank you so much for hanging really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's been great friend. I love working with you, coming
and everyone in a while. It's awesome. And Ronnie and Kevin,
all the guys. Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Ronnie, Kevin, be safe. Have a good fourth folks. We'll
talk to you Monday.
And we continue on Big Ben mallorin today for Rodney
on a five to seventy LA Sports an appropriate day
to have this man on the show. Every day he's on,
it's appropriate, Ben. I mean, we love sure, but this
is really special because let's bring on the man in
the big chair net collecting Net. How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Doing great? Gentlemen doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Did you draft Clayton Kershaw?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was a GM when we drafted. It was our
first pick, my first pick in that seat, and we
had great scouts, did a lot of great work on him.
But yeah, I've known him since he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think why did you pick him?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, we had a team that was coming, We had
young players, and if you look at that draft, he
was picked seventh. The first six picks were college kids,
and we thought we had time to develop. We thought
that he had tremendous his competitiveness left handed, and a
great feel and a great mind for what he was doing,
(01:06):
especially at that age, and we were hopeful that he
would continue to drop in the draft. I mean he
didn't drop far. He dropped you know, the seven, but
it was it was it was not really a gamble
of a pick it was. And again, you know, greatness comes,
like I said last spectrum, greatness comes in stages. So
I don't know anybody could say, yeah, he's going to
(01:27):
strike out three thousand when three cy Youngs win too
a World Series and MVP is a pitcher and all that,
and be over one hundred games, over five hundred. But
he knew that the ability to be that good was there,
and the competition and the mindset was was also right there.
(01:47):
And really his his hunger to continually get better. Oh
my goodness. I've seen a lot of athletes, and there's
a lot of players that are really good at the
outset and kind of just stay there, which is fine.
But you know, if we have time, I'll tell you
a story about when I when I had to send
him down on its first his first few months in
the big leagues.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
We have time right now, tell.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, well, the intro to it is, uh, we drafted
them in six in O eight, we bring him to
We're gonna bring him the spring training, but for a
game we're playing the Red Sox, I think in Vero Beach,
and I tell Joe Torre, our manager, and Rick Huntecott,
the great pitching coach. You know, I'm gonna bring them over.
And they had heard about him, and Rick had probably
(02:32):
seen them sometimes to a minor league run. But I said, well,
I'm gonna bring him over, but you can't have him
quite yet because there's still work to be done. But
I want to give him the exposure. I want him
to get to know you guys, and vice versa. And
he came in pitching against the Red Sox and did great,
and as soon as I walked into the locker room
after that game, they said, we got to have him
(02:53):
right now, out right there. Yet the analytical world was
not certainly not what it is today, but I had
I had a small staff of analytical minds at you know,
from Stanford and Tulane and some really good schools. And
I said, I need research done on high school pitchers
(03:17):
when they get to the big leagues after two years
of being a professional. What is the workload that we
can really expect without putting them in danger or having
their work tail off as the season goes on. And
we came up with a certain number. Dwight Gooden was
somebody we had looked at who was a high school
draft for the Mets. Obviously a great, great pitcher, and
(03:38):
we looked at others. So I needed to buy us
some time. We also needed to be you know, have
them get read a little bit more refined, and so
we brought them up in May, and you know, he's
getting his feed wet. You know, struck out our good
friend Skip Schumacher number one of three thousand and pitch well.
But I mean, if you look back at it, his
(04:00):
strikeouts to walk was about two to one. His batting
average against was not much. He was great, but his
ability to command the strike zeone wasn't what it needed
to be. So he would be up in the eighty
ninety hundred pitch mark four innings in five innings in
he's twenty years old or whatever he was at that stage,
(04:20):
probably twenty twenty one maybe, and we needed, we needed
this better command of his pinions. And I remember talking
to him and we sent him down for a little while,
and he wasn't happy about it, and I said, look
look at the batting average against. They can't hit you,
but look at the number of walks, look at the
number of long innings that you have, and look how
(04:40):
much we're going into the bullpen. And you know, we
need you to, you know, to get better at this.
It's not that you're not going to be great, but
this is something that needs an adjustment. And wasn't happy
about it, but went down and worked at it, and
then you know, five or six years go by, and
here he is, I think maybe at the time the
(05:02):
greatest strikeout to walk ratio in the history of the sport.
But if you look back at a second year, first year,
second year, he's striking out almost two hundred batters for
the year and walking one hundred. Well, that doesn't that
doesn't cut it in the big leagues. So that was
you know, I'm the only you know, we drafted him,
but I'm the only guy ever sent him to the
(05:24):
minor leagues too. But he came back better, and we've
had a couple of conversations about it, and after it
all kind of settled down, but you know, he wasn't
happy with it, but he needed to do it, and
to his credit, he not only did it, but he
became probably the best, maybe the best in the history
(05:45):
of the sport, but certainly the best over a twenty
year period with his strikeout to walk ratio. So, for
whatever that's worth, it, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Ned when you were in those early days before Clayton
became you know, the Clayton we know over his career.
Was there a temptation. I'm sure his name came up
and trade talked when you were a GM there with teams.
I was assumed they were pursuing him. Was that ever
a consideration before he established himself.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think it's the GM's responsibility to listen to every
call you get of that nature. But I can tell
you with one hundred percent accuracy, there was never a
chance that I was trading Clayton Kershaw during my tenure.
Not one nothing I would eat. I mean, nobody would
(06:33):
offer what I would need, And it was going to
be an unreasonable ask because he's tough. People of his
not just talent, but his caliber of integrity and work
ethic and passion for what he does. You're not going
to replace that. It's not like you could say, well,
(06:55):
we'll get a couple of good players back for him,
and then we'll go find another one. You go, you
may spend the rest of your career looking for another one.
It doesn't happen like that. So, you know, never never
came up, really never something I even toyed with.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Not at what point did you believe you can't go
well from the very beginning. No, at what point during
his career did you believe, Oh, this guy is really something,
really really something. When did that light bulb go on?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well again, I mean we we always thought that he
was going to be quote something, but it was probably
nine and that period of time there. We went to
the LCS and eight young guy, young pitcher, and then
nine and I brought Maddox in a Greg Maddocks at
the end of eight. I had been with Greg for
a long time in Chicago, then traded form and six
(07:52):
and then brought him back in eight. His last game
as a pitcher was in Dodger Stadium for US in
the LCS. But I I wanted to put him next
to Clayton. And I think Clayton's development and being around
greatness like Greg, one of the greatest of all time
as well right hand and not left handed, helped helped him.
(08:15):
I don't want to speak for Clayton, but I think
in nine I started to see more and more development
and and just taking extra steps. And I think one
of the one of the great one of the great
qualities of many great qualities of Clayton is that the
(08:35):
and I'm I'm just saying that, from my opinion, there
was always another mountain to climb, and always a chance
to get better, always a chance to get smarter with
what he did. And I can't tell you I seen
that exclusively in my athletic career, where people are rarely satisfied.
(08:58):
And I think, finally, as I look at him now,
and I haven't spoken to him for a little while,
but I think he's more at peace today than he's
probably ever been professionally. But he's also earned it after
eighteen years in the big leagues and everything else that
he's done and who he is. But his desire and
his passion and his quest to not be satisfied with
(09:21):
what he did, I think has driven him to a
height that very few in any walk of life get to. Plus,
as I said earlier, his integrity, His family. You know, Ellen,
I think I sat with her and her her father
perhaps at Chay Stadium his rookie year, and you know,
(09:44):
we're probably just still dating, but anyway, you know just
who he is.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Maybe the greatest all around person player I've been around
on a daily basis. And I've been around a lot
of guy in Cooperstown and a lot of guys that
are among the most heralded in the history of sport,
any sport. But I there's not much more I could say.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Gosh, we're talking with the great Ned Kaletti here am
five seventy Ned. What about the debate, the great sports
radio debate we talked about a little bit last hour
or a couple hours ago. Where does Kershaw rank? You've
watched baseball, you've worked in baseball all these years. Where
does he rank in the pantheon of Dodgers starting pitching
all time?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, it's an organization that is. You know, if you
talk to anybody for the last fifty sixty years about
the Dodgers, Okay, give me one thing they're known for.
You start with pitching and go back to the Sandy
kofax Don Drysdale. Before that, you know Padres and on
and on and on, don nukemb just the pitching has
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always been the foundation of any great team's success. But
certainly there success. I don't I don't rank. I would
just say that as you look at the accomplishments and
how he's gone about what he's done, if you had
if you were doing a draft and you had a
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list of the ten greatest pitchers in Dodger's history, many
people are gonna take him first. Probably not everybody, but
many people are gonna take him first. And that's no
knocking anybody, because there's if you had ten people taking
ten pitchers, you know it might be evenly divided. Who knows,
but it's tough to be better than he is. When
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when you look at his one loss record and that
he has yet to lose one hundred games at the
big league level. I'm gonna go back to Greg Maddick,
who I have so much respect for. Now, Greg lost
over two hundred games in the big lets pitch a
bit longer, but still you know that this this person
has not lost a hundred games in the big leagues
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is remarkable. One other thing, and it's a stat so
statsk you can make him say whatever you want him
to say. It used to be a big deal when
a pitcher got to three thousand strikeouts, people would say, well,
how many walks did he have? And Greg Maddox was
one of the greatest of all time. I think he
had nine to ninety nine. If I'm not mistaken. Clayton
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hasn't walked seven hundred guys, so again, going back to
the earlier story of it was a two to one
ratio early in his career. And then you look at
his development and his persistence to become very good at
what he did and to put himself in the advantage
in probably eighty percent of the advants that the opposition
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had by getting ahead in the count or mixing his
pitches or being able to command to strike some. You
look at all of that, and he hasn't. He's become
one of the greatest strikeout to walk people of all time,
you know, So those two things, as a look at stats,
it's mind boggling to me that he hasn't lost one
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hundred games in the show yet and maybe not, maybe
he won't if this is his last year, and that
he hasn't even walked seven hundred guys and has struck
out three thousand. You know, is that a misprint? That's
That's what it almost makes you do, because it's like
it doesn't happen. But that's that's what he's accomplished, and
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his spirit and his drive to be the absolute best
at what he does, not for himself entirely either, but
for his teammates, for the organization, for uh, the fans
of LA, for the fans of baseball to be the
absolute best at what he does, which you know what
you gotta you gotta tip your cap and you gotta
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you gotta give him, you know, give them the the
praise and the accolades that he's earned, because it you know,
he earned it. He just earned it across the board.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
That Kali was all right, I want to shift gears
mix Munsey injured last night.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah. They chose not to show the replay. We talked
about this in the first hour. Some people said you
should have shown it. Dodgers said, doesn't look very good.
We're not going to show it again. What do you
think about that, Ned, you've worked some TV, Well.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I guess I would have ard on the side of well,
you know, that's part of the game is he's a
big player, especially you know he's had for many years
and certainly the last year. You know, it's what people
why people watch or why people go to games. It's
like years ago if it was a close call, before
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you had instant replay, the teams were they were instructive,
but nobody would ever show a close call where an
umpire's decision could go either way. And so people are paying,
you know, hard earned money to go to an event
and they don't even really know what happened, because even
if you're alive, if you're if you're paying attention to
the game, you can't see exactly what happened on a
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close play. And then replay came in and boom, you
get to see the replay, which is great, all different
angles will motion, all of that. You know, I think
that you know, you have a prominent player get hurt.
You know, it's you know, how do you how do
you even discuss it? All you know is that he
came off the field and looked like he was in
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great pain. And you know, hopefully he'll he'll be able
to recover in time for the the rest of the season.
But you know that that's all you really got to
work on if you don't see the replay, not that
you're a doctor that a replay is going to tell
you the story, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
For sure, And I reason you don't know right now,
as we're talking how long months he's gonna be out.
We assume he's gonna be out for a while so
put your GM hat on. If your your trade deadlines
at the end of the month, if months, he's out
for a couple of months, do the Dodgers need to
add an infield? Do they do it internally? What do
you think they're going to do here?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, that's a great question, and you know that's really
obviously here asking me. But I mean, I'm not in
the room, so it's I'm coming at it only from
a from an outsider's perspective, but having having been in
a room years ago, I think you have to look
at your own, your your club and really be honest
with yourself as Okay, how do we replace if we
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have to replace Max, how do we do it? Can
we do it internally? Do we have players that are
not getting enough at bats? Can we do it? Because
once you get to that deadline, it's like driving from
LA to Phoenix in the desert, and you know, if
you had no gas station, you better have a full
tank of gas and you better have your radiator fixed
before you get in the middle of the desert because
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you're not going to get much help. Once you get
past the deadline, you've got something big that you need
to do. It's going to be a tough time to
get any help at that point in time. Not that
it's easy before July thirty first, but it's it gets
much difficult more difficult near the end. So you got
to look at your whole club. I mean, I have
people that need more at bats, that can play the position. Again,
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it's not a positions you can put anybody at. There's
people who can play, and there's people who can't play.
They can play it for a day, but they're not
going to play it for three months. So a lot
of different things you got to think about. But they
know best. They know where they're at, they know where
their health is at besides besides Max, and they know
what where players are at, whether or not there's more
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that they can give or more of time that they
they've earned or whatever. But you got to check everything out,
and you've got to be aware of everything, and you
got to you got to prepare for the unknown, knowing
that there's going to be stuff that happens that you
don't know what it's gonna be. You don't know what's
gonna happen, but you know something's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
As I'm sitting here thinking about it Key k can
play third base, so you can play Mickey Rojas over
there if you had to.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Don't as I just think about it. Maybe Kim, I
don't know if he can play third base. I'm just
trying to think who can play third base?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Net Well, I think in the next the next week
you're gonna find out. In a week is a short
period of time. But let's say what next seven to
ten days games you can find out and and that
will help help you make a decision as to if
you need to go out and find somebody else who
could do it. Again, there's not you know, you're if
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you're if you're sitting in the seats or you're you know,
like me sitting in the seats. You know you think, well,
you know, if the Cardinals fall out of it, we
know that they've got a guy that you know, those
name has been brought up many times and it can
sell play and can sell pick it and great player.
So you know, do you do that? But you need
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know this this isn't the big the big warehouse where
you just go on Aisle six and pick out whoever
you need, whatever you need. You know, it's it's a
lot more complicated than that. But I think in the
next seven to ten days you'll know more about Max
and I think you'll you'll see what the what the
relative choices are, and then you still got weeks to
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go before you before you got to make that ultimate decision.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, and need What about I'm talking with Nick Letty here.
What about? We talked about Mookie Bets there and his
issues offensively this year. He's not the same Mookie Bets
we've seen with the Dodgers or back in his days
with the Red Sox. What do you think the best
course of action is for the Dodgers here? There's been
talking about moving him back to the outfield. What do
you think how would you handle Let me ask you that,
how would you handle?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Move?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Again, you know it's I'll answer it, you know, not
really answering it, because for me to really answer it,
I'd have to know far more than I know. I know.
I don't know enough to really answer it. I know
he plays hard. I know he's not a big body guy.
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You know, he's his effort is max. His thought process
is off the chart. There's so many great attributes to him.
You know, he's playing a position and he's played it
far better. But again, it's it is not an easy
position to play. If people don't want to necessarily say, well,
it's because he changed position, it's not that he has
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to think it through and doesn't understand it. I think
he's proven that he that he knows how to play
it now. But I think the physicality of it is
it's different than playing the outfield. I just believe it's different,
and I think it's one of the most the tough,
one of the toughest positions physically to play. People could
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argue with me, that's cool, but you know so, I
don't know. But I don't know if what happened to
him at the at the outset of the season, losing
all the weight and not feeling right, then if there's
still a lingering effect to that, if it's if it's
related to not spending too much time thinking about the
defense but really just playing the position, if that's taking
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its toll, or if he's just in a bit of
a slump. I know I'd rather have him than not
have him, and I'd rather have him in the lineup
than I'd always want him in the lineup and where
he plays, and and things like that. Well, those are
decisions that that people who see the game from a
different vantage point are better better equipped to talk about
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and to think. True. But obviously you're talking about one
of the one of the absolute great players of this
generation and maybe many generations.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, Ned, you're one of the great players of all time.
You're one of the great guys ever, and we appreciate
you coming on.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, I'm not sure how good a scouts you are,
but I appreciate the comments.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Take care, have a good fourth guys.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I love because Ned like, I'm not gonna answer the question,
but I'm gonna answer the question. I love that. I
love as I'm gonna give you an answer, but I'm not.
I'm not gonna give you the answer you want. He
pretty much said that, I love that. That is the best.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah that has come on Ben and told us stories
that have made us just how laughing, just stuff he's
gone through when he was in baseball. He's really a
charming guy, funny guy, and just a really really person. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I remember when Dad was the GM and I I
was around him a decent amount and he always light
up the room. When Ned's in the room, he's the
center of the room. He's always I respect, I'm not
like that, Fredd. He's got stories about everything, and he's
a great storyteller, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, Kevin and I went over to Foreman's one day
with him and uh, he had us laughing. He's got
a lot of stories.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Got stories on top of stories on top of stories.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, he's good. Okay, So we are going to talk
about Jake Paul and if he's a legitimate fighter. Did
you see what has happened to his opponent from the weekend?
Have you ever seen the story? It is mind boggling
and we will do it when we come back. Tonight,
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Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ben Meller is sitting in today for Rodney. I gotta
throwback Thursday. That's right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
What?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
All right? So I want to talk about Jake Paul
Over the weekend, he beat Julio Caesar Chavez Junior and
in doing so finally was ranked by the WBA. He's
ranked fourteenth. So we'll start with this. You see, now
a legitimate fighter, Ben.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
All right, So I know he's very litigious, Fred, So
I want to preface this by saying, this is my opinion.
You can't sue me for my opinion. Absolutely not, no chance,
zero che I do not take him seriously in my opinion,
not real. And I think, you know boxing, I grew
up with boxing, but I didn't grow up with MMA
and all that that's more popular now UFC and all that.
(24:08):
I was a boxing fan when I was growing up,
big fights and all that. But it's embarrassing. I know
they still have the alphabet soup, they have all these
different boxing organizations and all that, but it's embarrassing that
they put him in the rankings like this isn't the
ultimate grifter move in my opinion, what he's been doing,
and to give that credibility, that's a joke. I don't
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I don't buy it. And you know, listen, he's made
a lot of money. I give him credit. He's made
a lot of money. He's found a niche, both the
Paul brothers have found a niche to make money. And
good for them and all that, but I don't, I
don't take it seriously.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What about you, Fred, Yeah, here's the thing. I thought
it was folly at first. And you know, I said,
actually after the last one, I'm not ever gonna watch
him anymore because and I didn't watch this one, by
the way. Yeah, but now if he's legitimately ranked, now
let's see what really happens. I mean, your your concern
should be that they've even ranked them. But now he's
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he's ranked. Now he's got to fight.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But there's there's four, aren't there four different bodies in
three or four? I forget how ready, But there's more
than there's more than just one. So one of them
has done it, not the you know the three and
you know, Fred, the history of boxing right now, you know,
back in the early days with the mafia in the
thirties and forties right now, the matches would be rigged
in boxing to this day. Is still fighting those those battles.
(25:30):
But I don't take him seriously. And uh, was it
was it the Mike Tyson? He fought Mike Tyson?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Was that last year?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That was? Uh? I think it was last year.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that smelled. That one smelled.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You know, you talk about boxing and being rigged. When
I was doing boxing for NBC at the Olympics, it
was generally known that boxing was fixed. And I think
we were in Athens where you could actually see people
walking around and paying the judges off. You could actually
see it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It wasn't even a question did that make the broadcast?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Though?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fred? Did that make the broadcast?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
All right? And that's fair, that's fair. So here was
the problem. Bob Papa and Teddy Atlas were calling the
fights and they were so infuriated by what they were
seeing that they would sit there and talk about it
on the air. And I was in the venue at
that time. I wasn't back in Stamford. We were still
traveling then, and I talked about what you saw because
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you saw it, you couldn't miss it. It was so open. Well,
the the Boxing Federation got pissed at Bob and Teddy
and took him out of the arena. NBC pays for
spots in the arena for the Olympics, and they have
specific spots designated for them that they pay extra for boxing.
One of the venues, and they were right up next
to the ring. They made them leave. They put them
(26:45):
back in the International Broadcast Center and made him call
the fights off monitors because they were so infuriated by
what they were saying. And it was known, and there
was a point then where it was so bad with
Olympic boxing they were thinking about kicking boxing out of
the Olympics. That's how bad it was. And it was
(27:08):
and it was just obvious. It was obvious they've cleaned
it up. NBC used to devote an awful lot of
time to boxing. I mean we would have it every
day of the Games on CNBC, every fight. But as
this continued and more people questioned the integrity of the sport,
I think even NBC said, wait a minute, we can't
put this on. So then they would just go to
(27:28):
featured fights and not carry it end to end, wall
to wall, because it was bad.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It was what was the of all the sports you
did in the Olympics, what was the one that you
enjoyed the most and which was the one that you
thought was, boy, what am I doing here? This is
not not particularly good.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They're both. One is both, and I've told the story, okay,
and you will not believe what it is. But by far,
it was the best thing I've ever done at the Olympics,
and that was hosting the curling venue curling curling?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Are you Canadian?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Fred, I'm not, but born in Detroit, just too skip to.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Windsor Southern Canada.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Here was the thing and it really brought me the
one moment in sports that few people will have. I
will always carry with me. And it was just the hair,
you know, the hair in your arm raises when you
think about it. You're in the gold medal match, You're
in Vancouver. It's the Canadian men playing I think it
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was the Swiss they were playing against. I think the
Canadian men are favored to win the gold medal and
they are behind. And in curling, they don't have innings.
They have ends, so an end would be the equivalent
to an inning, and there are ten ends, and they
are behind in the seventh end, and this would be
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a major upset and quite frankly, an enormous embarrassment for Canada.
They are behind, and you can sense, you can feel
that there is tension in the arena because it's in Vancouver.
And also understand, hockey is Canada's national sport. I learned
over a period of time you might consider it that,
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but curling is right there, and some consider curling their
sport good. They're behind, and now the Canadian men are
about to shoot, which means they're going to they're turned
to toss the rock right, They're going to start this end, gotcha,
and they're in trouble. So there's like two and a
half minutes between the completion of one end and the
(29:40):
start of the other, and probably about thirty seconds before
we start this next end, you look around and the
crowd stands and starts singing the Canadian national anthem. Unprompted,
no q so prompt nobody said hey everybody, because it
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was pretty quiet, and there you could hear they stood
and sang the entire Canadian national anthem and the Canadian
man and I think Kevin Martin was the skip or
the captain in curling, who I talked to recently. He's
a great guy. Stood there and the Canadian men all
stood there and just listened to the crowd and stared
(30:26):
at the flag, went out, came from behind and won
the gold medal. That was a great moment to be
a part of.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It's like a Disney movie, Fred.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, it was a Disney movie. And I said on
the air, I've never been a part of anything like this.
I've never even seen anything like this. That was pretty cool.
That was That was a great moment.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
So that was the Olympic moment right there.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, that was the Olympic moment. The other now, the nightmare,
the Nightmare Olympic part of it was we were in
Italy and I was doing curling. Okay, we were doing
curling and NBC was trying something. We were there, but
the production team was back in New Jersey, so there
was nobody there. I was there, We had a runner
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there with me, and the guys calling the matches were there,
but the production team for me was back in New Jersey.
So now it's going to be the final day of
our coverage and we get word the day before. Look,
good news, you're going on this morning, Like on MSNBC.
(31:31):
You're going to do a show. We're going to show
the match for whatever it was. I don't know, maybe
the bronze medal. Great, then you'll be on CNBC and
you'll do the gold medal match and it'll start an
hour later. Fantastic. So we go on, we bring you
on the air. We do it. About midway through this broadcast.
Bill Koontz, the producer, also a terrific guy. He says, hey, listen,
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they just told us that we're going to do a
curling pregame show before the gold medal match. And I
said to him in the talk back, well, what are
we gonna do? He goes, what we got it, We're
gonna do a curling pregame show. I said, all right,
So we finished whatever this was the bronze medal match. Okay,
we'll see you soon with our curling pregame show on CNBC. Boom,
(32:20):
We're off the air. Thirty minutes later, we have to
start the curling pregame show. So I said, all right, listen,
what are we gonna do? Understand I'm sitting there, he's
in New Jersey, and really, what do I know about
curling to talk about? For thirty straight minutes. Nothing. Yeah,
I mean I got like ten minutes. We got to
do thirty. And this is the network. He goes, all right,
(32:42):
don't worry about it. We're gonna figure it out. You're
gonna be fine. Just go with me on this. So
about ten minutes now before we go on the air,
he says, all right, I got an idea. What I
want you to do. We're gonna tape the guy's call
in the game. Just do it like it's live. Talk
to them, and goes, as long as you can. All right,
(33:03):
So we tape it. It's about nine minutes. I'm thinking, okay,
now he's figuring something out.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Done.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Here comes the open it rolls. Now it's rolling. Yeah,
and now I'm on tape. Welcome to the curling pregame
show of whatever. And now I'm starting to interview these guys. Okay,
now that's nine minutes long. We still have to finish this.
So I said to him, Okay, what's next? He goes,
(33:32):
I'm not really sure. I said, what do you mean
you're not really sure? He goes, I don't know, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't know what's next. So now I'm sitting there.
I'm thinking, oh my god, if we come out of commercial,
it's just going to be me sitting here and I
don't know what to do. So I see these people
walking by because we're in the venue. I go, hey,
you got a minute, come over here and sit down.
So they sit down. I go, okay, welcome back, and
(34:02):
I start interviewing them. I don't know where they were
from or what they were doing. And I'm watching the
monitor and the minute the monitor goes to commercial with
the first pre tape, I thank these people, Hey, thanks
for coming by. All Right, we're back with more after this.
So we come out of the next break and they
roll that. I do this two more times. It's great.
(34:23):
I don't know what I'm doing. And again this is
the network, right, the network.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I finish, the pregame show is over. I send it
to game coverage. I get this a myer. Hey, great job,
great job. I was drenched in sweat. I thought I
was gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You're gonna melt on TV right, life melt down, Ben.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I couldn't move for fifteen minutes. That's why it was
like I had PTSD.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
That's a great ad lib, though, so you just started
interviewing like man on the street type stuff, man in
the arena. That's awesome, brilliant, Well it is.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It just like if somebody was wearing a uniform from
another country here. Yeah, hey, what are you doing? Come
over and sit down.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
That reminds me of the first time I did a
talk radio show years ago, and I'd never you know,
I'd practiced, and I worked in San Diego with Hacksaw
and I learned radio, and then I got my first
show and I spent you know, all I was a
weekend show. It was a Saturday morning, and I spent
all week preparing that first monologue. Right, I absolutely had
everything nailed, and I nailed it, and I had nothing
(35:29):
prepared for the rest of the show. I had no plan, nothing,
I had no idea, and I just I had that
flop sweat, that drowned moment, like oh my god, and
I was like, oh, I don't know what to do,
you know, I like, so ever since then, I've over
prepared for everything, right, I'm like, oh, yeah, never, I'm
never going And like you, I'm sure you know most
of the stuff you prepared you don't even use, but
(35:50):
you have to have it just in case you need it.
You have to be over prepared because you don't want
to be on there drowning on a live microphone. That's
the nightmare.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So the first time I'm ever on the network. One
more story. I've been doing the local sports in LA,
but I'm doing now stuff for the network. This is
the first time. They send me up to San Francisco.
It's NFL time. It's playoff time, and I'm at the
NFC game, which is going to follow the game on NBC.
(36:19):
We had the AFC package. I'm at the NFC game.
They're going to come to me at halftime for a
preview of the NFC game. I think it was Niners Giants.
I don't. Okay, all right, So I'm standing there. Now
I've never been on the network before, so you can
understand I'm already a little nervous. Sure, I'm like twenty
four to twenty five years old, and I'm standing there
and I'm thinking, Okay, i gotta be ready, and I've practiced,
(36:42):
and I say, there's the elevator and the fans are
going into the stadium. I've got it. I am I'm ready.
Do you remember the Ice Bowl game in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Well, of course, yeah, famous, Okay, was that the Chargers
in the bank that Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So it's halftime I believe of that game. Okay, is
the equipment in Cincinnati freezes, so all of a sudden
they can't even get the signal on the air. Now
I'm standing in San Francisco, just minding my own business,
getting ready to go, and I'm watching the monitor and
they come out and they start the halftime show, and
(37:17):
all of a sudden, I see something and it's kind
of something happens on the screen. The next thing I
see and I'm just standing there is me. It's now me,
and I'm looking at the monitor and I'm seeing myself.
I don't say anything because I can't hear anything because
everything is frozen in Cincinnati, and I think, oh, maybe
(37:40):
this is a preview monitor they're showing me. So I'm
sitting there and I'm looking at myself, and then I
hear this in my ear the first time I was
ever on the network. Oh my god, you've got the network.
Take it. Take it now. I'm on right, But I
really don't know what I'm supposed to do. All I
(38:03):
know is I'm now on the network. So I start
talking about whatever I was going to talk about. And
as I look at the elevator with the fans going up,
which I had practiced right, which i'd rehearsed, I look
and I go and look who's here right now? It's O. J. Simpson. No, OJ,
come on over. I must have done seven or eight
(38:27):
minutes talking to OJ, who's like bobbing and weaving and
telling stories. Yeah, and I just kept I pray, just
keep talking, juice man, just keep talking. They'll stop talking.
And finally they go pitch to break, and I pitched
to break. I thanked him and that was the first
(38:47):
time I was ever on the network.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Oh that's great. And you picked the right guy, though,
because OJ was a talker, right, I mean, he was
a lot of things, but he was he liked to talk.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh no, he liked to talk. I was just so
thankful that he just happened to walk by and I
grabbed him. I said, come on in here.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
That's great. Yeah, live you know, live TV, man, live radio,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
That's yeah, it's quite Yeah, that is great. All right,
we're back to wrapping up.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
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Speaker 1 (39:37):
App Ben Miller and today for Rodney. Uh, I want
to tell you one more thing. We started talking about
Jake Paul earlier. Yeah, don't want to get political or anything.
He fought uh Julio Caesar Chavez Junior. Okay, Yeah, he
was arrested by eisen deported. That's unfortunate. Yeah, that's they
(39:57):
said he may be a member of the Sentinel Sineloa
drug cartel really supported.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah wow, that sounds like a Netflix documentary series if
that's true.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, pretty wild, but we needed to point that out. Also,
the Dodgers have made a move, and that move is
they claimed infielders C. J. Alexander from the New York Yankees.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I have no idea who that is. Fred have you
ever heard of CJ. Alexander. I've never heard of him. Well,
I looked him up. He did you Intel. This is
why people tune in. They want to hear about CJ.
Is it CJ Alexander? I want to hear who this
guy is?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, well, according to this yeah, oh okay, the A's.
He was on the A's in twenty twenty four. Okay,
spent a lot of the year in Las Vegas, the
Triple A club. On June, the Yankees claimed Alexander off waivers.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Okay, oh, okay, but he's a He's a third baseman, right,
he can play third base's that's one of his positions.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So thirteen appearances for their Triple A team, then they
waived him, and then the Dodgers just picked him up.
All right, Well they haven't.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
They have been made a See, we're waiting for everyone's
waiting for the Max Munsey news, and there's no Max
Monsey news yet. But the fact that they added an infielder, uh,
usually that's a dead giveaway. Fred, that's a dead giveaway.
That's uh that there's another pending roster move in fall
involving Munsie. You gotta think he's going on the injured list,
that he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just a question how long?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, exactly? Is it the sixty days at the short one?
You know how long is he gonna be out, But
hopefully they can do better than CG. No, I don't
know CG. Alexander, but hopefully they do better than him,
you know, just saying talking about saying.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Come on, I mean, come on. This year for the A's.
This year he hit won seventy six. He had three hits.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
That's a good for the A's. That's good. Right if
you're they don't even have a city, they're just called
the A's.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
They're not right.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
You're so embarrassed by Sacramento. They can't stay they're in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But here's the thing. When you play for the Dodgers. Yeah,
you're hitting one seventy six for the A's here, that'll
be two ninety. They'll they'll fix him up real fast.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And as the Nature Boy, he had some graphics made
on Ai Fred Mill. They're gonna raise Dodger Stadium up
when they when they make the move, so it'll be
an I got a look, yeah, yeah, I'll send it
to you. Yeah, he made an AI thing raising Dodger
Stadium up like the Mile High City, just like he's
all yeah, Nature.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Boy is the best. All right.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
By the way, before we get out of here because
Ben did ask about this yesterday, about Benoit Benjamin, and
he's been on the show in the past and came
in studio a couple of weeks ago. Big Ben, I
sent you a link. Yeah, documentary is live on YouTube.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
The Ballad of Banoit Benjamin. I cannot wait to watch this.
I will be sitting or standing on the treadmill and
I will be consuming this and I will flash back
to the glory days at the La Sports Rader Fred.
Remember when there were seventeen people at Clipper games. Ye,
Banoit was there throwing the ball in the crowd and
uh yeah, great throwing.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
The ball to Michael Jordan so we can see what
he can do with it. Yeah, bettle story but told us,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Best story. And a shout out up to Shaun ge
who produced that movie.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
All right, check out, Ben.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Thank you so much for hanging really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's been great friend. I love working with you, coming
and everyone in a while. It's awesome. And Ronnie and Kevin,
all the guys. Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Ronnie, Kevin, be safe. Have a good fourth folks. We'll
talk to you Monday.
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