The Dodgers were swept by the hated Astros but still maintain a 7 game lead in the NL West as they head to Milwaukee and San Francisco to close out the first half of the season. Could they entertain a trade of Dustin May for Ryan McMahon of Colorado? The Clippers traded away fan favorite, Norman Powell, for John Collins. Bradley Beal is likely going to be on the free agent market soon - is he a good fit for the Lakers or the Clippers?
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we go, Fred Rogan, and today it
takes two people to sit in for Rodney. You know,
when we do an hour, we go all out from
the very top. So we have Adam and Kevin sitting
in for Rodney. Guys, welcome to the one hour show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm on like the right side of Rodney's seat, Kevin's
on the left side. We're just sharing it. This is
a big seat to fill here, and it's gonna take
both of us here, Freddie, as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, you know, we usually would call this like the
f and a takeover over, filling in for a certain show.
But Fred, you're still here. So I'd like to call
this the f anda occupation of Rogan and Rodney.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How about is that what this is? Because I was
concerned this morning, to be very honest, I talked to
Kevin on the phone at him and I said, I know,
you guys work together an awful lot. You know, I'm
kind of the third wheel here. Kevin said, it's your show.
Oh oh yeah, it is my show, so just keep
that in mind. At him, Oh, I don't need any
problems from you today. I don't need your saltiness. All right,
we're trying to do a one hour show with both
of you. You got it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look, it's your show, but let's be nice and share
Fred for once. I will try to be nice as well.
I know you're gonna have to deal with some Clippers
news coming up on today's show, so I'm already having
pity on you.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I know you hate having to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I don't have any problem with the Clippers news today. Okay,
I have zero problem. Did anybody have a problem with
what happened to the Dodgers over the weekend? Could they
have looked worse against Houston? Just get rid of the three?
Move on. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What Kevin is that it get rid of the three
doesn't matter? Now, maybe it doesn't because there's a lot
of Dodger fans And I was listening to a Dodger
talk with Kate's yesterday after the game, and people were
upset one that they lost a series. They haven't lost
one in almost a month, it seems like. And two,
you lost it to the Houston Astros, who are still
very very much in the crawl of Dodger fans, despite
(01:39):
the fact there's really only one principal figure left from
that twenty seventeen team. The problem is that principal figure
jose L TV had a huge weekend against the Dodger.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
He really did.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
A lot of fans are not happy with what happened
this past weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I would say there's one team, you know what, I'm
gonna say, this is worse than if they got swept
by the Giants. I think currently the Dodger fans, because
if it was the Giants, they could still be like, well,
we got fifteen more games against him this season to
get it back.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're not going to see the Astros unless it's the
World Series until next year, I think in Houston with
the new scheduling. So this is going to be something
that sits with them in stings for some time. Not
only did they lose Fred, they got outscored twenty nine
to six. They had a historically bad day at Dodger
Stadium on the fourth of July on Friday, being outscored
(02:27):
eighteen to one. They had never lost a game that poorly.
You know, it is the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws, and
on Saturday, I did go to the Hollywood Bowl to
see the orchestrated version of it. On the fiftieth anniversary.
I thought i'd see Fred walking around trying to look
like Roy Scheider. I know you think you look like Fred.
I know you do. But I am quite confident that
(02:49):
when Casparius threw that first pitch that went for a
home run, he heard the Jaws music and then Dave
Robbers looked over to Mark Pryor and said, I think
we're going to need a bigger ballpark here this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's going to be ugly.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The last time Caspiraus pitched, he was sick. Remember he
was sick, So they sent him home the night before
the game and then brought him into the morning. He
gave him fluids. Now I don't think he was six, said,
I just think he got torch. That was ugly. And Kevin,
you're right, jose L Touv. If there was one guy
you didn't want to see do anything to the Dodgers,
(03:25):
it was jose L Tuove and he had a hell
of a weekend. Even more troubling, though, than their lack
of ability pitching wise, because that'll get fixed. I mean,
that's why I'm not that concerned about this. That's going
to get fixed. The real pitchers will come back soon.
They couldn't hit. That was what was concerning. They just
couldn't hit. And I know you know, Kevin, you said
(03:48):
it stung. Adham heard the Jaws music? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Do you hear the Jaws music? Currently?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Fred?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
By the way, I know hearing is a bit of
an issue.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Sometimes here was playing in on the organ at the stadium.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think this for at least fifteen twenty said, because
and Fred's is blowing right through it. Sometimes. I know
your hearing's not the greatest. Friends, always this sure if
you picked up on.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That now, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Before we move on to the Dodger hitting and pitching
and all that stuff, Adam brought up the fact that
Friday was the fourth Now, if you were at Dodger Stadium,
would you sit through that? Because I'm basically the stands
were full. I watched pretty much the entire game and
waited until the end and stuck it out like many
of the fans who sat in the stands. If the
Dodgers are down eighteen to one or whatever it was
going into the seventh inning. First I'll start with you, Fred,
(04:30):
are you staying there waiting for the firework show? Or
are you getting the hell u out of there because
I think I'm leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You saw kids?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, do you have kids? Okay, let's say no. Let's
say it's just you or Rachelle.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'm out. All right. Well, let me just say this.
If we go to a game and the Dodgers are
getting blown out, it's not me that wants to leave.
She wants to go.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Where Rochelle gets pissed.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And here's the problem. Not only does she get pissed,
that's it for like two because she looks at it
like this. We went to the game, and she always says,
it's like when you see Mickey Rojas or Tik Pitch.
If you paid money to go to that game and
they get beat first, you're upset. If they get destroyed,
(05:16):
then you're really pissed. And then if they leave Casparius
out there whoever to get just tagged and then go
to a position player, she's apoplectic. She can't deal with it. Honestly,
she's like, this is a complete waste. She gets really pissed. So, yes,
if it was just the two of us, we'd have
been out of there wouldn't a state for let me
(05:38):
tell you what six seven to one, we'd have been gone.
Because here's the problem. You can tell and I think
fans know this. It's pretty obvious the games where Dave's
gonna wave the white flag. You know that, right. If
you leave the starter out there and he's getting hammered
and you look down to the bullpen and there's nobody
(05:58):
warming up, four or five, nothing, six, you know what
it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I just know the white flag is also the nickname
for Noah Davis.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now, yeah, I'll say what for Chrisparius to Davis? And
they left him out there after a grand Slam. That's
when you knew.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know the phrase, the expression like I'll die on
that hill, when you're talking about having this belief in
something that nobody else does and you're dug into this argument.
I think Noah Davis said, you know, I believe I'm
a pitcher, and I'll die on that hill. And he did,
and he did ten runs in that inning. They left
him out there to die. That was like Willem dafoeen platoon,
(06:35):
Like that was brutal seeing him out there that long.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Don't you feel badly serious?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yes, it was embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I felt horribly for the guy. Is he gonna be back?
And the thing is, he's another one. Where did he
come from? When did he get here? I mean, they
have that group that they have every year. He was
one of those guys. Had to look him up. I'd
to look up where he came from. He's been in
the bigs before. It's not like that was his rookie debut.
(07:05):
He has been in the big leagues. God, he got hammered.
It was just bad Kevin.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
If it was old Adam, I would not have stayed.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Actually, Old Adam would have been drinking and I would
have stayed while they were getting pummeled like that. But
if I'm a Dodger fan and I'm seeing that, I'm
leaving in a third or fourth inning, Like I can't
take that because it's the Astros. If it's anybody else,
I'm staying. It's the fourth of July, whatever, it's a
one off. If there's any regular season series that has
(07:34):
meaning in the month of July, I think it's one
against the Houston Astros. Like that is never going away.
That hatred, some wounds never heal. It doesn't matter how
many World series, they go on to win, and they'll
probably win five in the next five years. They will
still want twenty seventeen back.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Here's the resident Giant fan trying to jink the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well, whoa, whoa, Well, I know what you're doing, Adam
step I would never just because jac know and I
had a conversation on Twitter the other day of how
much Dusty Baker screwed up two thousand and two by
taking the ball out of Restortez's hands.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Does not mean I'm a hardcore Giants fan stial Kevin.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Come on, no, and here's another question. Who cares about that?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know I had a conversation with j T. Hilt congratulations.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It was a big deal to me, my childhood idol.
How dare you JT Snow at first Base?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I got it, I got it. But really, I mean,
you know you're not jinxing the Dodgers and nobody cares
about your conversation, uh, concerning resortees with JT. Snow.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Fine, back to your Dodgers, Freddy and the twenty nine
to six beat down over the weekend. You brought it up.
The problem here is, and it's not just this series.
If you look over the last thirty days, the MVPs
aren't hitting. Oh, Tommy's not hitting. He's at two thirty
(08:55):
seven the last thirty days. Will Smith has he may
be the MVP this season. Taal's not an MVP, but
he's better than hitting two twenty four like he has
the last thirty days. Mookie Bets is hitting two hundred
the last thirty days. Freddy Freeman is at two eleven.
Those are the guys that are supposed to take you
there and you get away with it against bad teams
like the Rockies and the White Sox. Recently, it's not
(09:17):
happened against the Astros.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Do they not still have a seven game lead in
the West? They do, then, who cares? They just hit
a rough patch here? What's everybody worried about? Granted, I
don't think Mooki's hit his hands at Mookie didn't even
make the All Star team, did he. He didn't deserve to, right,
he shouldn't have. That's not even part of the discussion.
No disrespect to Mooki, But my god, it's not terrible
(09:39):
this year. No, he's not had a great year. But
they're seven games up and by the way, they look
pretty damn good against very competitive teams prior to the Astros.
So it's okay, you know, ebbs and flows, you hit
a little rough patch you here forward.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well here's the question, though, So they're what twenty and
nineteen against teams above five hundred for the regular season,
So there's two ways to look at. You can say, well,
at least they are beating up on the teams they're
supposed to. They're dominating the dregs of Major League Baseball.
But if you want to use the regular season as
a measuring stick, some do, some don't, you would say
that they're probably not measuring up that well against top
competition right now. Yeah, just so it doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, it doesn't matter when bit To me, I think
they're fine. They've just had a bad series, awful series,
but they're fine. What are you gonna if Freddie Freeman's
not gonna hit all year? Oh, Tony's not gonna hit
all year. Mookie's not gonna hit. Granted it's taking him
a while to get started here, he's not gonna hit.
Of course they're gonna hit. They're gonna be fine, just fine.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Two things can be true.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
They can be fine as you say, Fred, right, And
it could also be an embarrassing weekend for Dodgers fans
to lose like that to the Houston Astros. Now they
go back to the World Series and beat them this time, Yeah,
all is well, nobody cares. It's still about just getting
healthy with this team and they're this damn good while
they have probably been the most banged up team in
baseball all season long, and help maybe on the way
(11:00):
with Glass now coming back soon. I think it's gonna
happen eventually. Here has got to Like Blake Snell, he's
doing a little bit of a rehab start thing coming
up soon. So that's the big picture with the Dodgers.
But the little part of this is, ooh that hurt.
That did hurt a little bit. It had to, there's
no way. Look, I'm still upset about the Kings losing
(11:21):
to the Lakers in two thousand and two when we
felt like we got screwed into Game six. So I
can empathize with Dodger fans who feel like we got
screwed in the World Series in twenty seventeen and this
team just came in and crushed us. You know how
many people got ready for this series. This past weekend.
I met, these tickets went for about as high as
(11:41):
any have all season long, just to see them lose
the first game eighteen to one. Adam, you need therapy,
Well yeah, but that's a different story, Fred.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You can't get for two thousand and two. The bitterness remains.
Wow anyway, So they're often Milwaukee. Now we'll see. We'll
see how they rebound against Milwaukee, which is pretty good
ball club. Those guys can hit. So we'll see what
Yamamoto tonight. Yeah, I think it's Yamamoto going for the
(12:11):
Dodgers tonight. So things will be fine. Everybody relaxed. I
had no reason to panic. Just it's fine. It just
stung a little bit, you know what it is. It
was like a sunburn. Just get a little aloe, rub
it on there. It'll be gone tomorrow. Simple. So if
they go to Milwaukee, you know, get blown out fifteen
to two. Now we have to have a conversation. But
Otherwi it's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Then the sunburn is still flaky and it's disgusting, and
nobody wants to put the aloe on your back, and yeah,
you feel like a leper.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You don't want that either, though, Fred come on.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's fair. That that is fair. Okay. So saw a
report now Bred and Golme said, guys that the Dodgers
are not going to make a move or alter their
Traine plans at the deadline because of Munthsie. He said
that the other day, right, ye said, no months, you'll
be back six weeks. We'll be fine. But then a
report comes out and I saw it this morning, the
(13:01):
possibility of sending Dustin made to Colorado for Ryan McMahon.
Ryan McMahon can hit. He's under contract, he's struggling a
little bit this year, third basement for the Rockies. But
then I started thinking when I saw that if they
make a move, and obviously pitching, you know, they got
to hold onto pitching now until we figure stuff out.
But down the road, if everybody is healthy, yeah, a
(13:24):
guy like Dustin May, a guy like Gonsolin, they'll probably
get moved for other needs. I can see that happening.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
What do you think, well, considering the way the Dodger
pitching staff has gone this season, how can you potentially
think of getting rid of anyone who's been giving you production.
Dustin May has been the only pitcher who's actually made
every single start this year, has not missed a single
start due to injury. Everybody else has missed time. So
I really don't really see it, and I don't see
the upside for Colorado on that either. He has an
expiring contract, so it's not as if you're gonna bring
(13:51):
in Dustin May, and he's under club control for a
couple of more years after that. For the Dodgers, maybe
they have a team option for months he going into
next season. McMahon's under contract for a couple of more years,
so you could potentially just slide them right in for Muncie.
I don't see the upside for Colorado on this and
for this particular season for the Dodgers, I really don't
see how that makes a lot of sense. Considering the
attrition they've already had in the pitching staff. You want
(14:11):
to hold on to as many healthy arms as you have. Yeah,
that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What the hell is his logic? Fred, he's good, Let's
trade him.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You gotta sell high on guys you gotta give to get.
But I just don't know if there's any assurance that
they're going to be able to stay healthy with Tyler
Glasnow in his history Sasaki, we don't know Blake Snell
a shoulder issue. I think you want the insurance. You
need as many arms as possible right this year. Yeah,
going into the playoffs last year, we all thought the
(14:42):
Dodgers were sunk. The straw that broke the camel's back
was when Gavin Stone was out for the year. That's
when we said, Okay, this is too much, this is
too much to overcome. They did anyways, They were unbelievable.
They had a patchwork pitching staff that they rode to
the World Series and winning the championship, and the offense
carried them. The offense is so good they could do
(15:04):
it again. Do they want to be in that position?
I'm holding onto arms if I'm the Dodgers, because the
truth is, we talked about all those guys slumping right now.
Hitting is contagious. When it comes back around, you're gonna
be seeing some more fireworks. Even though it's not the
fourth of July. You're gonna be seeing these Dodgers hitters,
these guys performing at the all time level that we expect.
(15:25):
There's not gonna be an issue there for needing a
bat to me wax fire emoji.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So do you agree, friend, or would you potentially swing
that move and bring McMahon in at the expense of
Dustin May, who's been your only consistent starter this year.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The concern I would have is this that this year,
this year, you better be damn sure you have enough arms.
As Adam pointed out, could I see them making a
move like that, Yes, I really could. I just don't
know if it's this year. Okay, So yeah, I could
see that. If everybody's healthy, then again, it's safe to
say now, given what we've seen this year and what
(16:01):
we lived last year, there will not be a year
where everybody's going to be healthy. And the concern is
more will be unhealthy. That's the problem. If you have
six of them, three could be heard or four at
a given point in time. If that's the case, you
can't trade any pitching. But Emma, she in his back now,
all right, So he's an arm. He's serviceable.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Look good.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Otani pitched on what Saturday?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Saturday?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, okay, Otani pitched Saturday? And now how about this?
And he looked good. I mean he's settling in, right,
he's settling in. He looks like a pitcher, he's okay,
But did what happen in the game overshadow his pitching performance?
Are we to that point yet? I know the Times
(16:47):
came out with Otani looked great, Dodgers lost. All right,
what are we gonna get done with Otani look great?
It's like I said the other day, Okay, he's pitching.
Now we got it. He can do it. He's pitching.
What was the story, Oh Tani pitched good again? Or
the Dodgers got beat? What was the story.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Short term they got beat? Long term?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Oltani look Good's that's how you have to go bird's
eye view with this, because while Atani looks good, he's
only pitching two innings. They are slowly ramping him him up.
There was a point a couple of weeks ago where
Dave Roberts was like, I'm not sure if he's getting
back to five or six innings this season. Now it
seems like that's more on the table. And he threw
one oh one on Saturday, and he hit one oh
(17:27):
two in his last start. But he has to be
stretched out first, like he's got to get to that
point and they have the rest of the season to
do so. I just think They're handling this with an
abundance of caution like they should, because they can, because
of their lead in the NL West, because of how
stacked they are.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Kevin, Yeah, I agree. I will say about the Oldtani thing,
and I know you've been kind of downplaying it the
last few weeks there, Fred, It's still a big deal
for a lot of people. He was an Anaheim. He
might as well have been in Siberia. There was a
lot of people who didn't even pay attention to the
fact that he pitched. They didn't watch Angel games. It's
still a novelty for a lot of people to see.
Whether it's one inn, one pitch, it doesn't matter. It
is a big deal and the grand scheme, yes, doesn't
(18:04):
really mean a whole lot. That particular series loss was huge,
losing to Houston. But I do think Otani pitching, regardless
of how long he's out there for for now at least,
is still an event for a lot of people to
see him out there pitch. So still I do think
it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This is what makes him the modern day Babe Ruth
getting back to being the eighth Wonder of the world
because he's great at the plate and on the mound.
This is what Dodger fans have been waiting for. So
I think it's still a huge deal and the best
is still obviously yet to come. And we're talking about
the best would be Otani is available in the playoffs
to give you six innings. That's something we've never seen before.
(18:40):
That's what baseball is waiting for, not just the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
If I could go back to the Munzie thing for
a second, because there's been a couple of a development
since Brandon Gums made that call about whether or not
they were going to be active in the trade market
for a third basement. It seemed as if they were
going to try to be in house, whether it's Edmund,
whether it's Kick Hernandez. The problem is now both of
those guys are dealing with injuries. Ki k has an injury.
Who knows how hew that's effected. It's affecting him batting wise.
(19:05):
They say it's not affecting him on defense, but obviously
you want to get that production at third base. And
Tommy Edman is dealing with the toe issue. I know
Dave Roberts says he's probably not going to go on
the injured list. It's a pain tolerant situation. But he
hasn't necessarily been tearing the cover off the ball either.
So you wonder if those in house options that they
were looking at for the immediate future are not really
going to be able to produce. And maybe their plans
(19:25):
have changed over the last forty eight hours or so
after what they initially said not going into the trade
market for a third basement.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, but you got a look at like this said,
you know, key K, it may not be affecting what
his hitting well. During the regular season. He can't hit well.
We all know that. It's true. What are you it's true?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Appears in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yes, all right, so you see him in the playoffs
and old Tommy Edmund's struggling. He can't hit either. He's fine.
He got to the playoffs and he hit. He didn't
tear the cover off the ball in the regular season either.
So those guys are giving you the production that they
basically give you. Now, playoffs were different for Edmund and
for key K. They're always different for KEYK. So yeah,
(20:08):
that's what they are. I mean, will we see Kim
Moore the defensive Wizard.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yes, he's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Can he play third base? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't think so. I think the play was to
have if Edmund was going to move off of they're
going to move him to third and have Kim play
more at second. I don't know how much experience Kim
has at third. That's the issue there. Everything shifts over.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They have a platoon like situation at third. But two
of those guys are now hurt now with Key k
and Tommy Edmond Rojas made a great play yesterday. There
were some fine defensive plays actually in that game, back
to back plays with Rojas and uh Mookie later in
the ballgame.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But it's an embarrassment of riches.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Even when we talk about all the guys that aren't
hitting right now, Andy pah Hez dan Well could still
be an All Star if he's some injury replacement with
the year he's having. I remember coming on two months
ago when we were talking about pa has missplaying a
ball in the outfit you'll hit off the bat of
Bryce Harper, or like is he gonna be sent down?
Now we're talking about is he going to be sent
up to be an All Star this year? And by
(21:08):
the way, congratulations to Clayton Kershaw obviously getting the legend nod.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Are you guys good with that? I'm not the biggest
fan of it, I'm to be honest with you. Now. Granted,
it doesn't take a roster spot away from anyone, so
I'm happy about that. At the very least. It's an
additional roster spot at the commissioner's discretion. And look, it
won't affect Kersho anyway. He's made what eleven All Star
teams already or ten All Star teams coming into it.
He's gonna be a Hall of Famer. But these sort
of things do matter to some how many All Star
(21:34):
selections you've had, and if you just have one thrown
attack him at the end of your career that you
didn't necessarily earn. I have a little bit of an
issue with it. A great issue with it, No, but
it's not I'm not the biggest fan of it. Personally.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm good if it doesn't take a roster spot away. Yeah, yeah,
if it doesn't take a roster spot away. It's a
nice tribute, you know. And he getting the three thousand,
it's and it's what I've been saying about nationally, you know,
does he get overlooked me. This I think is great
because he will be saluted during that game and it
(22:04):
will be reinforced what he has done throughout his Dodger career.
So I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Kershaw has been so good that, even though he's had
the playoff lows, he still is widely considered the best
pitcher of his generation. Even with that stuff. I don't
think there's a debate about that. So it's good for
the Dodgers, it's good for major League Baseball. It gives
them another star out there. They did this with Albert
Poolhols back in twenty twenty two. I don't mind this
(22:30):
because it's an All Star game and it's no longer.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
This time it counts. It's this time. It doesn't mean
a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It doesn't count for who has home field in the
World Series anymore, thank goodness. So why not just have
the stars out there? This is what the fans want.
I'm more intrigued. I'm more likely to watch. It's not
just La I think. Naturally, yes, he doesn't get enough
respect there, but more people will still watch just because
Clayton Kershaw is involved.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, and they did it for Migul Cabrera when he
was doing his retirement victory toward too another all time
is going to be a Hall of Famer. So I
certainly understand it, and again I don't have a giant
pushback against it. I'm just out the fan and basically
giving a guy a token All Star appearance.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
No All Star games count for anything except guys get
their bonuses and if they boost them when they you know,
when they sign a new deal. But why is a
Baseball All Star game at least interesting to watch? We're
hockey and basketball, said garbage.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
First of all, you were telling me how good hockey's
format was this year, Fred, So I'm not a hockey one.
You said, the Hockey All Star game where they had
what the four countries or whatever they call it, fination.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's better, it's better, it's better, it's better. Yes, at
least it was competitive. The different man three on three
or whatever it was was terrible. It's just terrible.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And the NBA is still tweaking things. But to answer
your question, the difference is this, you can go just
as hard in a Baseball All Star Game as you
do in a regular season Baseball All Star game. Nobody's
worried about getting hurt. It's not as physical. NBA guys
don't want to get hurt. The NFL did away with
the Pro Bowl because of this rip. Sean Taylor, not everybody.
He was built like him out there. So that's the difference. Really,
(24:03):
the baseball still translates to an All Star game.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
All right, Yeah, all right. So Adam Ouslin and Kevin
Figures are in today for Rodney. All Right, we are
going to talk some Clippers Adams here. We have to,
We have no choice, but we have to. I'm sorry,
but are the Lakers and Clippers interested in the same guy.
Let's talk about that, all right. Adam and Kevin are
(24:32):
in today for Rodney one hour show for US. Dodgers
are in Milwaukee. Try to forget about the nightmare that
was this weekend. All Right, we have some NBA news
and I guess we'll start with the Clippers because Adam
is here. You thought Norman Paul played very well last year.
He turned out to be a key member of the team,
and he's no longer on the team. Adam, why did
they move him for John Collins?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Well, they went with your theory. If a guy's good,
you gotta trade him. That's what you do. You want
that with Dust to May. They want to do that
with Storm.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, Look, this is a fit thing and a contract
extension thing with Norman Powell.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Norman Poll is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
A great clipper, was a great clipper, one of my
favorite Clippers, and he was a guy that I campaigned
for being an All Star last season. The first half
of the season he was averaging twenty four points per
game without Kawhi Leonard, he completely stepped up. Remember he
had that quote addition by subtraction with them losing Paul George.
At media Day he said that last summer, so he
(25:28):
did everything right. This isn't about anything he did wrong. Yes,
he had a down playoff series, but they needed a
power forward. They needed more size in the front court.
Kawhi has been playing the four for a while. With
John Collins of the four, it bumps Kawhi back to
playing his natural position at the three spot, and John
Collins brings some much needed athleticism. He is a guy
who's a rim runner. He's an explosive athlete, but he
(25:49):
can also shoot it from the outside, so therefore he
works okay with the Vitza Zubos four. Spacing wise, because
he can shoot three balls. He can play out there
with the starters, and I don't think they're necessarily done.
Bradley Beal could be an option. Chris Paul returning to
the Clippers could be an option.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Fred.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I know you'd be excited about that. A full circle moment,
since he just announced yesterday it's going to be his
last season in the NBA. This is Chris Paul's farewell
to her.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Who knows. Maybe he's back with the Clippers, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If he's back with the Clippers at the right price point, fine,
no problem. At the right price point, not a problem.
And by the way, he did say this is my
final year, so he will be honored wherever he ends
up playing, he'll be honored. Lebron hadn't said that. Lebron
hadn't said this is his final year. You don't think Lebron,
(26:38):
when he's gonna call it, is not going to want
to be honored and showered with admiration every place in
this country. He'll go to Major League Baseball games and
get a standing ovation. He'll ask NFL teams to give
him a retirement gift. That's Lebron. So that tells me
Lebron's not gonna call it after this upcoming year.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So wait, Lebron's not gonna call it after this year
simply because Chris Paul is and he doesn't want Chris
Paul to steal part of his spotlight. Is that what
you're saying, Fred, Absolutely, I can't have that.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
He can't. He's got to put up some cryptic tweet
to let us know, and it probably will come anyway.
Chris Paul would be I think a good move if
he came at the right price point for the clay.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
By the way, twelve thirty two, so thirty two minutes
into the show before Fred took his first shot at
Lebron James. So you want to mark that on the record.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, he's so unique. He's the only guy that would
ever want a farewell tour Fred. Nobody else has ever
done this as an all time great or anything. Now
it's just Lebron James right now, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Saying, Adam, that's what I'm saying. He wants a farewell tour.
And don't you think he'll announce before he's going to
be done so he gets that. Do you actually think
Lebron James would just wake up after the season and
go that was my final year. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He will announce the swan song. There's also a bit
of a difference between him and Chris Paul Lebron. James
made second teamba this past year, which means you could
say he's a top ten player in the league still
based upon that. So yeah, I don't think he's done yet,
but when he is, we'll all know it. It will
be plastered across social media by Clutch Sports. You can
(28:17):
get that in there, Fred, you can take those shots now.
It's fine not taking a shot.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm just saying, all right. And also with Collins, right,
he's an expiring deal, right, Adam John Collins.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, he's got twenty six and a half million on
the books for this season. Then he's an unrestricted free agent.
And the big picture of you with the Clippers is
they've lined things up to where they could have upwards
of sixty million dollars available next summer. Now because James
Harden the second year of his deal, while it's a
player option, it's only guaranteed for thirteen million. And then
Brook Lopez, who they brought in, it's a team option
(28:49):
for his second year, so they have a real chance
to make noise and reload next summer, not just twenty
twenty seven, which we thought was the major big plan
going on. Oh two years from now, the Clippers are
going to go out and make a big splash. No,
they can do it next summer now too. And by
the way, I don't know. There were the five seed
this past year when Kawhi only played thirty seven games,
(29:10):
and they've gotten better with the guys they brought in
this summer, they can be good now. So I really
like to move with John Collins. I think it's a
good fit for them. But love Norm Powell all time Clipper,
But there is a guy, as you mentioned in the
t's that both LA teams could be after here ready.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, but before we talk about Bradley Beal, I just
want to say, because you got to cover the Clippers
all the time, and I just feel this way, and
maybe I'm wrong. Doesn't Norman Palell always look like he
wants to kill you? Now here we go? Seriously that
look on his face.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Maybe you heard your show before.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
He feels like Norm Palach always has an angry face,
an angry look on his face.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know, he's got that resting angry face.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You want to say a different word than angry in there.
I know what you want to say, I know what
you wanted to say that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But I'm saying, doesn't he look that way? Well, looks
like a guy you would never want to cross. He'd
tear your face off.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is it because of the scar near his what would
be a uter brow that he got from taking a
hit in an NBA game that's permanent. Now he just
looks tougher because of that. There is a debo element
to him. Yeah, I mean he's he's a badass like that.
Norman Powell is coming for your throat. And make no mistake,
(30:25):
the Clippers didn't send him to Siberia. They didn't send
him to China. They send him to a good situation
in Miami because that's good business.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But when Norman Powell does.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Return, he's gonna try to light him up for thirty
points like that's that's what he's gonna do. That's okay
you feel some way about going up against your former employer,
but he is also revered as being a good Clipper.
And again, this has nothing to do with anything he
did wrong. This is just about fit and if they
get Bradley Beal to replace Norman Powell Kevin then like, okay,
you use Norm Powell as an asset to bring in
(30:54):
John Collins, then you can pick up Bradley Beale, who's
no longer making one hundred and ten million because he
gets bought out, Like that would be a perfect replacement
for him for the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You get an All Star on the cheap like Bradley Beal.
I mean, the sky's the limit for the Clippers. Before
I move on and expand on that, so I did
look up. I did google Norman pal smiling. It does
not look natural for him. I will say that all
due respect to normOn, It's just like who smiles more?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Him or Kawhi?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, that's a good question. Just you know, his smile
looks like Kawhi's laugh sounds. How about that? It doesn't.
It doesn't look comfortable, I'll put it that way. But
if you can't get an All Star, now, granted bal
doesn't play that much, but you know it, he would
fit right in with the Clippers culture. So Kawhi didn't
play much and brought in John Collins who plays about
forty fifty games a year, So why not slide him
right up, right up in there.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I didn't sign this.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, it's okay, it's all right. Just this the truth
hurts sometimes. Uh. Bradley, and he's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
If he's healthy, if if if or when he's healthy,
do you think he can still play? I mean really play?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh, Bradley the Bial, Yeah you can. You look at
his splits, his shooting splits. He's really a fish. I
think it was a bad fit next to Booker and
KD because they do the same stuff. Those guys are
just better at than Bradley Beal and Bial the last.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Not to cut you off at him, but he's shooting
over fifty percent from the field the last three four
seasons when healthy, When he's healthy and on the floor,
he's as good as he's ever been. Yeah, it's just
a matter of whether or not he can play more
than forty fifty games a season.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
No, how may played. Last year he played fifty three games,
fifty three games junior.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, so fifty three the last two seasons fifty before that,
forty sixty fifty seven. You have to go back to
twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, back to back seasons, where
he played in eighty two games.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Part of it is that part of the stigma with
Bradley Beal was just when you look at a bloated
contract like that, you expect the production to match it,
and when it doesn't, you really start to criticize that
player and you make it seem like he sucks. Well,
the truth is he doesn't suck. If you're only paying
him five million or three point three the veterans minimum
(32:58):
and you're getting that production, it's a steal. It's all
perception based upon how much guys are getting made sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well, you know that goes back to the story of
Dustin Penner when he played for the Ducks. The Ducks
won the Stanley Cup. Dustin Penner had one of the
great Stanley Cup runs individually as a player. All of
a sudden, this guy exploded. He was the man. He
was everywhere and people like, oh my god, Dustin Penner,
(33:26):
what a great Stanley cupp he had. So then he's
a free agent. I think Brian Burke was general manager
of the Ducks back then. So the Ducks make Dustin
Penner an offer because they want to hold on to him.
Edmonton comes in and makes this gigantic offer to Dustin Penner.
And even Brian Burke said, oh my god, what are
(33:47):
they doing? What could they have possibly thought making this
offer to Dustin Penner. He took it, He went up there.
You know, he was Dustin Penner. He wasn't the guy
that had the great Stanley Cup final. He was the
dust and Penner he had always been. The problem was
they were paying him so much, the expectation was so
great that he could never live up to it and
(34:10):
basically was a bust and not liked in Edmonton, when
really what he was doing was being Dustin Penner, the
same guy who got hot at the right time and capitalized.
So to your point at him, Yeah, if you're paying
Bradley Beal the veteran's minimum, absolutely that's great. If you're
paying them over one hundred million dollars, all of a sudden,
(34:31):
it's not so great because when you get paid that money,
there are expectations that come along with it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Kevin, you think the Lakers are going to make a
runner him? Two reports are they're interesting in Bradley Beal.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't see to fit. But I also know how
the Lakers operate when it comes to star power, and
they're just trying to add as much depth to their
roster quality depth as they can, so he doesn't help
their biggest need, which I write now is perimeter defense.
They need a three and D guy. He can shoot threes,
can't defend Fred. So that's the issue of Bradley Beal now.
Not to take a shot at you, Fred, but I.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mean not, I'm a lot quicker than I look.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, well you know, I'm just saying you can probably
put up thirty on Bradley Beal on his defense right now,
So I think that will be the issue. Whereas the
Clippers with a versatility, still having Kawhi, you have Zoo
back there. Defensively, you can probably hide him a little
bit better than where the Lakers are currently right now
with their particular roster. So from a fit standpoint, I
think he fits better with the Clippers. But knowing how
the Lakers and Genie Buzz, who for right now is
(35:28):
still in charge, and how they operate, it would not
surprise me if they gave an offer, and look, it
wouldn't cost him much either, So I mean you're you're
buying low regardless of you know, when you sign him.
If he doesn't work, you ship him off or whatever else.
But I think he's a better fit for the Clippers.
What do you what do you say?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I think the Lakers need a guy like Dorian
Phinney Smith. I really think a guy like that could
help the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
If I traded Dorian Phinney Smith, which is essentially what
they did, you traded Phinney Smith for La Ravia and
DeAndre Ayton. Money wise, I'd probably do that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's not the worst pivot after losing him the way
they did. I like Jake Laravio a lot. Unfortunately, I
liked him so much. The night before he became a Laker,
I posted a video of him with his highlides, being like, ooh,
could the Clippers get this guy? Well, next day becomes
a Laker, and I still have to say how good
he is because I don't want to contradict myself.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That's on you. Rob Polenka always checks your feed. He
saw that and he goes, let's sign that guy.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah it just do yeah, just do. What everybody else
says is, hey, you got hacked.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It's not Polenka, who's the GM.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
It's not Magic, it's not Lebron, it's me and at
follow out of May on my ex feed.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So they did.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, Deandrean's the same thing as Bradley Beal though it's
the same exact thing for thirty five million dollars, which
is what he was making in Portland, the contract they
bought him out of. It looks bad for eight million
for Deandreyden, you're taking a risk on him in a
prove it type of year. It's beautiful for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
By the way, why didn't Ronnie James play in the
lakers first Summer League game.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
To stor up that energy for the ten points he
got in the second game? Yeah, minutes he played, by
the way, in the second game, cooking.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, and what did they say? Well, you know they
you know he wasn't in shape something.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Well, so they say he didn't. So for the first
game they said he didn't play for conditioning purposes, and
then yesterday he played, but he only played eleven minutes.
So I actually reached out to Dan Wiki about this
because there's some speculation going on as to whether or
not he was out of shape and he was fat
and that's why they held him out. Now Wiki says,
according to his sources, the Lakers are basically managing his
minutes at this point in time, to which I say, why, ye, why,
(37:28):
what are you managing for a guy who's this young,
who's still trying to prove it. They played Dolts to
Connect thirty minutes these last two games, and and if
your goal was to showcase him for a trade, it
ain't looking that great. So if they played Dolts to
Connect thirty minutes and then I think twenty four minutes yesterday,
why is Brnnie James not playing? That part of me
just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't get that at all. A guy that needs
to play, a guy that needs minutes, needs to develop,
so that guy doesn't play in the summerly that is
so messed up. That whole situation is so messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
He wasn't well conditioned enough for game one, but a
day later he's good enough to play? Like was he
on a hamster wheel of the twenty four hours in between?
Like how did he get better? How do you get
his conditioning up that quickly? I mean, he did look
good on that dunky hat. It was actually eerily similar
to looking at a mini Lebron with the way he
gathered the basketball before he dunked it on that breakaway
(38:22):
in that game.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They get quite as high as Pops.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But that's all right, that's a high standard to have
to live up to.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So and he's six to one or whatever, like it
ain't gonna happen. But yeah, I'm rooting for the guy,
but I have not liked the way they have handled it.
I didn't have a problem with them drafting him. I
did have a problem with him not traveling with a
G league team everywhere and staying in LA. That's the
stuff where it just leaves them open to criticism.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
What any NBA team, all right, their second round pick
from the year before, now we're starting summer league. Would
any NBA team tell the guy who was their second
round pick the year before, Yeah, take this first one off.
You're not in shape, that's fine, don't even worry about it.
I mean, don't even give a concern. You're a genuine anything.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
In comparison to your first round pick from last season,
who played in like forty or fifty games or whatever
it was for the Lakers last year and to aught
to connect. And he's playing thirty and twenty plus minutes
in the summer league and yet your second round pick,
who needs arguably needs more reps than he does is
playing less. That doesn't hold water for me. So I
don't know if there's something all going on or what,
but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And these are valuable minutes for him. This is when
he's going to get most of his runs so that
he can prove that he deserves some NBA minutes. And
all things considered, he did have that seventeen point game
last year, Like in the NBA. For as much as
people said, oh, he's not good enough to play at
the NBA, he had at least one game where you
got a glimpse of Okay, maybe this does make some sense.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Pick fifty five.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It doesn't matter to me, but yes, Fred, you're right.
If he's healthy, he should be playing these minutes. He
should be getting run.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I don't know if it's the way the Lakers are
handling it. I don't know if it's his attitude. I
don't know if it's Lebron telling him you don't need
to play, But that just doesn't work. I mean, the
point is he hasn't earned anything except he's a decent
player who's Lebron's son. Well, you've got guys, and I
(40:15):
understand nepotism. I understand your dad opens or your mom
opens the door for you. I got all that. But
once you get there, why wouldn't you. I'm playing every minute.
You're going to see it from me. I didn't just
get handed this. I will be every minute. I will
be there longer than anybody. I will be there longer
than everybody, so I can show you I deserve it.
(40:38):
Then a guy doesn't play the first game, I just
didn't sit right with me. It really didn't. All right.
We have a pair of tickets to give away for
an upcoming Dodger game eight six six nine eight seven
two five seventy, and the caller number will be five.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
For the new Laker DeAndre Aiden wear a number five,
Fred's favorite player.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Eight six six nine eighty seven two five seventy to
pay tribute to new Lakers superstar DeAndre eight. Call her five?
Good luck? All right? Robert and Nelly would to go.
You did it? You won better get past yourself. You're
going to see the Dodgers. We don't know what game,
does it matter? You're going and I can assure you
(41:22):
the game you go to they won't lose eighteen to one.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
But can't assure that. Fred, I'm going to strike that
from the record, so legal doesn't get anything. We can
I guarantee what the final score may or may not be.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I will guarantee they will not get beat eighteen to one.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right, you know what, right now, if they lose eighteen
to one, Fred will personally buy you dugout club seats
for an upcoming game.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
That will not happen. That have a very good idea.
If they lose eighteen to one, I will get Dave.
Weiced to give you tickets to another game. I will
do that.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, that's exciting, great, Yeah, I thought you got to
play bean ball with Fred. He's standing like the happy
Gilmore cage and just take a couple of baseballs to
the face of the batting cages.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Well, by the way, the doctors have taken it on
the chin a couple of times this year at home
the A's came in. I don't remember what the score was,
but they kicked their ass. It was bad.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
And this is the A's we're talking about right now.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
The Houston Astros, who granted have been really hot in
one of the best teams in the American League. Sure,
it's not out of the Roman possibility that the Dodgers
couldn't lose eighteen to one. Again, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Okay, fine, you know, if you want to put that
out there, that's on you. That's on you to what
Kevin said. I think Kevin is the problem. And now
he's emphasized that it'll be fine. Robert, you won Stop bitching.
You're going. Why is Robert complaining? What's wrong with him?
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Congratulations? Now stop bitching, not spread talking to the winner.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Go to the game and that's it. You go.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Do you like it?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Dodgers Milwaukee today early start here on the West coast
for us. So that'll do it. Adam and Kevin will
both be back tomorrow. Guys, thank you, Henk you, Fred
appreciate it. Ronnie, thank you. We'll see you tomorrow.
All right, here we go, Fred Rogan, and today it
takes two people to sit in for Rodney. You know,
when we do an hour, we go all out from
the very top. So we have Adam and Kevin sitting
in for Rodney. Guys, welcome to the one hour show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm on like the right side of Rodney's seat, Kevin's
on the left side. We're just sharing it. This is
a big seat to fill here, and it's gonna take
both of us here, Freddie, as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, you know, we usually would call this like the
f and a takeover over, filling in for a certain show.
But Fred, you're still here. So I'd like to call
this the f anda occupation of Rogan and Rodney.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How about is that what this is? Because I was
concerned this morning, to be very honest, I talked to
Kevin on the phone at him and I said, I know,
you guys work together an awful lot. You know, I'm
kind of the third wheel here. Kevin said, it's your show.
Oh oh yeah, it is my show, so just keep
that in mind. At him, Oh, I don't need any
problems from you today. I don't need your saltiness. All right,
we're trying to do a one hour show with both
of you. You got it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look, it's your show, but let's be nice and share
Fred for once. I will try to be nice as well.
I know you're gonna have to deal with some Clippers
news coming up on today's show, so I'm already having
pity on you.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I know you hate having to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I don't have any problem with the Clippers news today. Okay,
I have zero problem. Did anybody have a problem with
what happened to the Dodgers over the weekend? Could they
have looked worse against Houston? Just get rid of the three?
Move on. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What Kevin is that it get rid of the three
doesn't matter? Now, maybe it doesn't because there's a lot
of Dodger fans And I was listening to a Dodger
talk with Kate's yesterday after the game, and people were
upset one that they lost a series. They haven't lost
one in almost a month, it seems like. And two,
you lost it to the Houston Astros, who are still
very very much in the crawl of Dodger fans, despite
(01:39):
the fact there's really only one principal figure left from
that twenty seventeen team. The problem is that principal figure
jose L TV had a huge weekend against the Dodger.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
He really did.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
A lot of fans are not happy with what happened
this past weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I would say there's one team, you know what, I'm
gonna say, this is worse than if they got swept
by the Giants. I think currently the Dodger fans, because
if it was the Giants, they could still be like, well,
we got fifteen more games against him this season to
get it back.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're not going to see the Astros unless it's the
World Series until next year, I think in Houston with
the new scheduling. So this is going to be something
that sits with them in stings for some time. Not
only did they lose Fred, they got outscored twenty nine
to six. They had a historically bad day at Dodger
Stadium on the fourth of July on Friday, being outscored
(02:27):
eighteen to one. They had never lost a game that poorly.
You know, it is the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws, and
on Saturday, I did go to the Hollywood Bowl to
see the orchestrated version of it. On the fiftieth anniversary.
I thought i'd see Fred walking around trying to look
like Roy Scheider. I know you think you look like Fred.
I know you do. But I am quite confident that
(02:49):
when Casparius threw that first pitch that went for a
home run, he heard the Jaws music and then Dave
Robbers looked over to Mark Pryor and said, I think
we're going to need a bigger ballpark here this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's going to be ugly.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The last time Caspiraus pitched, he was sick. Remember he
was sick, So they sent him home the night before
the game and then brought him into the morning. He
gave him fluids. Now I don't think he was six, said,
I just think he got torch. That was ugly. And Kevin,
you're right, jose L Touv. If there was one guy
you didn't want to see do anything to the Dodgers,
(03:25):
it was jose L Tuove and he had a hell
of a weekend. Even more troubling, though, than their lack
of ability pitching wise, because that'll get fixed. I mean,
that's why I'm not that concerned about this. That's going
to get fixed. The real pitchers will come back soon.
They couldn't hit. That was what was concerning. They just
couldn't hit. And I know you know, Kevin, you said
(03:48):
it stung. Adham heard the Jaws music? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Do you hear the Jaws music? Currently?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Fred?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
By the way, I know hearing is a bit of
an issue.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Sometimes here was playing in on the organ at the stadium.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think this for at least fifteen twenty said, because
and Fred's is blowing right through it. Sometimes. I know
your hearing's not the greatest. Friends, always this sure if
you picked up on.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That now, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Before we move on to the Dodger hitting and pitching
and all that stuff, Adam brought up the fact that
Friday was the fourth Now, if you were at Dodger Stadium,
would you sit through that? Because I'm basically the stands
were full. I watched pretty much the entire game and
waited until the end and stuck it out like many
of the fans who sat in the stands. If the
Dodgers are down eighteen to one or whatever it was
going into the seventh inning. First I'll start with you, Fred,
(04:30):
are you staying there waiting for the firework show? Or
are you getting the hell u out of there because
I think I'm leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You saw kids?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, do you have kids? Okay, let's say no. Let's
say it's just you or Rachelle.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'm out. All right. Well, let me just say this.
If we go to a game and the Dodgers are
getting blown out, it's not me that wants to leave.
She wants to go.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Where Rochelle gets pissed.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And here's the problem. Not only does she get pissed,
that's it for like two because she looks at it
like this. We went to the game, and she always says,
it's like when you see Mickey Rojas or Tik Pitch.
If you paid money to go to that game and
they get beat first, you're upset. If they get destroyed,
(05:16):
then you're really pissed. And then if they leave Casparius
out there whoever to get just tagged and then go
to a position player, she's apoplectic. She can't deal with it. Honestly,
she's like, this is a complete waste. She gets really pissed. So, yes,
if it was just the two of us, we'd have
been out of there wouldn't a state for let me
(05:38):
tell you what six seven to one, we'd have been gone.
Because here's the problem. You can tell and I think
fans know this. It's pretty obvious the games where Dave's
gonna wave the white flag. You know that, right. If
you leave the starter out there and he's getting hammered
and you look down to the bullpen and there's nobody
(05:58):
warming up, four or five, nothing, six, you know what
it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I just know the white flag is also the nickname
for Noah Davis.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now, yeah, I'll say what for Chrisparius to Davis? And
they left him out there after a grand Slam. That's
when you knew.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know the phrase, the expression like I'll die on
that hill, when you're talking about having this belief in
something that nobody else does and you're dug into this argument.
I think Noah Davis said, you know, I believe I'm
a pitcher, and I'll die on that hill. And he did,
and he did ten runs in that inning. They left
him out there to die. That was like Willem dafoeen platoon,
(06:35):
Like that was brutal seeing him out there that long.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Don't you feel badly serious?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yes, it was embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I felt horribly for the guy. Is he gonna be back?
And the thing is, he's another one. Where did he
come from? When did he get here? I mean, they
have that group that they have every year. He was
one of those guys. Had to look him up. I'd
to look up where he came from. He's been in
the bigs before. It's not like that was his rookie debut.
(07:05):
He has been in the big leagues. God, he got hammered.
It was just bad Kevin.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
If it was old Adam, I would not have stayed.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Actually, Old Adam would have been drinking and I would
have stayed while they were getting pummeled like that. But
if I'm a Dodger fan and I'm seeing that, I'm
leaving in a third or fourth inning, Like I can't
take that because it's the Astros. If it's anybody else,
I'm staying. It's the fourth of July, whatever, it's a
one off. If there's any regular season series that has
(07:34):
meaning in the month of July, I think it's one
against the Houston Astros. Like that is never going away.
That hatred, some wounds never heal. It doesn't matter how
many World series, they go on to win, and they'll
probably win five in the next five years. They will
still want twenty seventeen back.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Here's the resident Giant fan trying to jink the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well, whoa, whoa, Well, I know what you're doing, Adam
step I would never just because jac know and I
had a conversation on Twitter the other day of how
much Dusty Baker screwed up two thousand and two by
taking the ball out of Restortez's hands.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Does not mean I'm a hardcore Giants fan stial Kevin.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Come on, no, and here's another question. Who cares about that?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
What?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know I had a conversation with j T. Hilt congratulations.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It was a big deal to me, my childhood idol.
How dare you JT Snow at first Base?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I got it, I got it. But really, I mean,
you know you're not jinxing the Dodgers and nobody cares
about your conversation, uh, concerning resortees with JT. Snow.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Fine, back to your Dodgers, Freddy and the twenty nine
to six beat down over the weekend. You brought it up.
The problem here is, and it's not just this series.
If you look over the last thirty days, the MVPs
aren't hitting. Oh, Tommy's not hitting. He's at two thirty
(08:55):
seven the last thirty days. Will Smith has he may
be the MVP this season. Taal's not an MVP, but
he's better than hitting two twenty four like he has
the last thirty days. Mookie Bets is hitting two hundred
the last thirty days. Freddy Freeman is at two eleven.
Those are the guys that are supposed to take you
there and you get away with it against bad teams
like the Rockies and the White Sox. Recently, it's not
(09:17):
happened against the Astros.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Do they not still have a seven game lead in
the West? They do, then, who cares? They just hit
a rough patch here? What's everybody worried about? Granted, I
don't think Mooki's hit his hands at Mookie didn't even
make the All Star team, did he. He didn't deserve to, right,
he shouldn't have. That's not even part of the discussion.
No disrespect to Mooki, But my god, it's not terrible
(09:39):
this year. No, he's not had a great year. But
they're seven games up and by the way, they look
pretty damn good against very competitive teams prior to the Astros.
So it's okay, you know, ebbs and flows, you hit
a little rough patch you here forward.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well here's the question, though, So they're what twenty and
nineteen against teams above five hundred for the regular season,
So there's two ways to look at. You can say, well,
at least they are beating up on the teams they're
supposed to. They're dominating the dregs of Major League Baseball.
But if you want to use the regular season as
a measuring stick, some do, some don't, you would say
that they're probably not measuring up that well against top
competition right now. Yeah, just so it doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, it doesn't matter when bit To me, I think
they're fine. They've just had a bad series, awful series,
but they're fine. What are you gonna if Freddie Freeman's
not gonna hit all year? Oh, Tony's not gonna hit
all year. Mookie's not gonna hit. Granted it's taking him
a while to get started here, he's not gonna hit.
Of course they're gonna hit. They're gonna be fine, just fine.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Two things can be true.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
They can be fine as you say, Fred, right, And
it could also be an embarrassing weekend for Dodgers fans
to lose like that to the Houston Astros. Now they
go back to the World Series and beat them this time, Yeah,
all is well, nobody cares. It's still about just getting
healthy with this team and they're this damn good while
they have probably been the most banged up team in
baseball all season long, and help maybe on the way
(11:00):
with Glass now coming back soon. I think it's gonna
happen eventually. Here has got to Like Blake Snell, he's
doing a little bit of a rehab start thing coming
up soon. So that's the big picture with the Dodgers.
But the little part of this is, ooh that hurt.
That did hurt a little bit. It had to, there's
no way. Look, I'm still upset about the Kings losing
(11:21):
to the Lakers in two thousand and two when we
felt like we got screwed into Game six. So I
can empathize with Dodger fans who feel like we got
screwed in the World Series in twenty seventeen and this
team just came in and crushed us. You know how
many people got ready for this series. This past weekend.
I met, these tickets went for about as high as
(11:41):
any have all season long, just to see them lose
the first game eighteen to one. Adam, you need therapy,
Well yeah, but that's a different story, Fred.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You can't get for two thousand and two. The bitterness remains.
Wow anyway, So they're often Milwaukee. Now we'll see. We'll
see how they rebound against Milwaukee, which is pretty good
ball club. Those guys can hit. So we'll see what
Yamamoto tonight. Yeah, I think it's Yamamoto going for the
(12:11):
Dodgers tonight. So things will be fine. Everybody relaxed. I
had no reason to panic. Just it's fine. It just
stung a little bit, you know what it is. It
was like a sunburn. Just get a little aloe, rub
it on there. It'll be gone tomorrow. Simple. So if
they go to Milwaukee, you know, get blown out fifteen
to two. Now we have to have a conversation. But
Otherwi it's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Then the sunburn is still flaky and it's disgusting, and
nobody wants to put the aloe on your back, and yeah,
you feel like a leper.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
You don't want that either, though, Fred come on.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's fair. That that is fair. Okay. So saw a
report now Bred and Golme said, guys that the Dodgers
are not going to make a move or alter their
Traine plans at the deadline because of Munthsie. He said
that the other day, right, ye said, no months, you'll
be back six weeks. We'll be fine. But then a
report comes out and I saw it this morning, the
(13:01):
possibility of sending Dustin made to Colorado for Ryan McMahon.
Ryan McMahon can hit. He's under contract, he's struggling a
little bit this year, third basement for the Rockies. But
then I started thinking when I saw that if they
make a move, and obviously pitching, you know, they got
to hold onto pitching now until we figure stuff out.
But down the road, if everybody is healthy, yeah, a
(13:24):
guy like Dustin May, a guy like Gonsolin, they'll probably
get moved for other needs. I can see that happening.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
What do you think, well, considering the way the Dodger
pitching staff has gone this season, how can you potentially
think of getting rid of anyone who's been giving you production.
Dustin May has been the only pitcher who's actually made
every single start this year, has not missed a single
start due to injury. Everybody else has missed time. So
I really don't really see it, and I don't see
the upside for Colorado on that either. He has an
expiring contract, so it's not as if you're gonna bring
(13:51):
in Dustin May, and he's under club control for a
couple of more years after that. For the Dodgers, maybe
they have a team option for months he going into
next season. McMahon's under contract for a couple of more years,
so you could potentially just slide them right in for Muncie.
I don't see the upside for Colorado on this and
for this particular season for the Dodgers, I really don't
see how that makes a lot of sense. Considering the
attrition they've already had in the pitching staff. You want
(14:11):
to hold on to as many healthy arms as you have. Yeah,
that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
What the hell is his logic? Fred, he's good, Let's
trade him.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You gotta sell high on guys you gotta give to get.
But I just don't know if there's any assurance that
they're going to be able to stay healthy with Tyler
Glasnow in his history Sasaki, we don't know Blake Snell
a shoulder issue. I think you want the insurance. You
need as many arms as possible right this year. Yeah,
going into the playoffs last year, we all thought the
(14:42):
Dodgers were sunk. The straw that broke the camel's back
was when Gavin Stone was out for the year. That's
when we said, Okay, this is too much, this is
too much to overcome. They did anyways, They were unbelievable.
They had a patchwork pitching staff that they rode to
the World Series and winning the championship, and the offense
carried them. The offense is so good they could do
(15:04):
it again. Do they want to be in that position?
I'm holding onto arms if I'm the Dodgers, because the
truth is, we talked about all those guys slumping right now.
Hitting is contagious. When it comes back around, you're gonna
be seeing some more fireworks. Even though it's not the
fourth of July. You're gonna be seeing these Dodgers hitters,
these guys performing at the all time level that we expect.
(15:25):
There's not gonna be an issue there for needing a
bat to me wax fire emoji.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
So do you agree, friend, or would you potentially swing
that move and bring McMahon in at the expense of
Dustin May, who's been your only consistent starter this year.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
The concern I would have is this that this year,
this year, you better be damn sure you have enough arms.
As Adam pointed out, could I see them making a
move like that, Yes, I really could. I just don't
know if it's this year. Okay, So yeah, I could
see that. If everybody's healthy, then again, it's safe to
say now, given what we've seen this year and what
(16:01):
we lived last year, there will not be a year
where everybody's going to be healthy. And the concern is
more will be unhealthy. That's the problem. If you have
six of them, three could be heard or four at
a given point in time. If that's the case, you
can't trade any pitching. But Emma, she in his back now,
all right, So he's an arm. He's serviceable.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Look good.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Otani pitched on what Saturday?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Saturday?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, okay, Otani pitched Saturday? And now how about this?
And he looked good. I mean he's settling in, right,
he's settling in. He looks like a pitcher, he's okay,
But did what happen in the game overshadow his pitching performance?
Are we to that point yet? I know the Times
(16:47):
came out with Otani looked great, Dodgers lost. All right,
what are we gonna get done with Otani look great?
It's like I said the other day, Okay, he's pitching.
Now we got it. He can do it. He's pitching.
What was the story, Oh Tani pitched good again? Or
the Dodgers got beat? What was the story.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Short term they got beat? Long term?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Oltani look Good's that's how you have to go bird's
eye view with this, because while Atani looks good, he's
only pitching two innings. They are slowly ramping him him up.
There was a point a couple of weeks ago where
Dave Roberts was like, I'm not sure if he's getting
back to five or six innings this season. Now it
seems like that's more on the table. And he threw
one oh one on Saturday, and he hit one oh
(17:27):
two in his last start. But he has to be
stretched out first, like he's got to get to that
point and they have the rest of the season to
do so. I just think They're handling this with an
abundance of caution like they should, because they can, because
of their lead in the NL West, because of how
stacked they are.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Kevin, Yeah, I agree. I will say about the Oldtani thing,
and I know you've been kind of downplaying it the
last few weeks there, Fred, It's still a big deal
for a lot of people. He was an Anaheim. He
might as well have been in Siberia. There was a
lot of people who didn't even pay attention to the
fact that he pitched. They didn't watch Angel games. It's
still a novelty for a lot of people to see.
Whether it's one inn, one pitch, it doesn't matter. It
is a big deal and the grand scheme, yes, doesn't
(18:04):
really mean a whole lot. That particular series loss was huge,
losing to Houston. But I do think Otani pitching, regardless
of how long he's out there for for now at least,
is still an event for a lot of people to
see him out there pitch. So still I do think
it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This is what makes him the modern day Babe Ruth
getting back to being the eighth Wonder of the world
because he's great at the plate and on the mound.
This is what Dodger fans have been waiting for. So
I think it's still a huge deal and the best
is still obviously yet to come. And we're talking about
the best would be Otani is available in the playoffs
to give you six innings. That's something we've never seen before.
(18:40):
That's what baseball is waiting for, not just the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
If I could go back to the Munzie thing for
a second, because there's been a couple of a development
since Brandon Gums made that call about whether or not
they were going to be active in the trade market
for a third basement. It seemed as if they were
going to try to be in house, whether it's Edmund,
whether it's Kick Hernandez. The problem is now both of
those guys are dealing with injuries. Ki k has an injury.
Who knows how hew that's effected. It's affecting him batting wise.
(19:05):
They say it's not affecting him on defense, but obviously
you want to get that production at third base. And
Tommy Edman is dealing with the toe issue. I know
Dave Roberts says he's probably not going to go on
the injured list. It's a pain tolerant situation. But he
hasn't necessarily been tearing the cover off the ball either.
So you wonder if those in house options that they
were looking at for the immediate future are not really
going to be able to produce. And maybe their plans
(19:25):
have changed over the last forty eight hours or so
after what they initially said not going into the trade
market for a third basement.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, but you got a look at like this said,
you know, key K, it may not be affecting what
his hitting well. During the regular season. He can't hit well.
We all know that. It's true. What are you it's true?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Appears in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yes, all right, so you see him in the playoffs
and old Tommy Edmund's struggling. He can't hit either. He's fine.
He got to the playoffs and he hit. He didn't
tear the cover off the ball in the regular season either.
So those guys are giving you the production that they
basically give you. Now, playoffs were different for Edmund and
for key K. They're always different for KEYK. So yeah,
(20:08):
that's what they are. I mean, will we see Kim
Moore the defensive Wizard.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Yes, he's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Can he play third base? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't think so. I think the play was to
have if Edmund was going to move off of they're
going to move him to third and have Kim play
more at second. I don't know how much experience Kim
has at third. That's the issue there. Everything shifts over.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They have a platoon like situation at third. But two
of those guys are now hurt now with Key k
and Tommy Edmond Rojas made a great play yesterday. There
were some fine defensive plays actually in that game, back
to back plays with Rojas and uh Mookie later in
the ballgame.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
But it's an embarrassment of riches.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Even when we talk about all the guys that aren't
hitting right now, Andy pah Hez dan Well could still
be an All Star if he's some injury replacement with
the year he's having. I remember coming on two months
ago when we were talking about pa has missplaying a
ball in the outfit you'll hit off the bat of
Bryce Harper, or like is he gonna be sent down?
Now we're talking about is he going to be sent
up to be an All Star this year? And by
(21:08):
the way, congratulations to Clayton Kershaw obviously getting the legend nod.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Are you guys good with that? I'm not the biggest
fan of it, I'm to be honest with you. Now. Granted,
it doesn't take a roster spot away from anyone, so
I'm happy about that. At the very least. It's an
additional roster spot at the commissioner's discretion. And look, it
won't affect Kersho anyway. He's made what eleven All Star
teams already or ten All Star teams coming into it.
He's gonna be a Hall of Famer. But these sort
of things do matter to some how many All Star
(21:34):
selections you've had, and if you just have one thrown
attack him at the end of your career that you
didn't necessarily earn. I have a little bit of an
issue with it. A great issue with it, No, but
it's not I'm not the biggest fan of it. Personally.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm good if it doesn't take a roster spot away. Yeah, yeah,
if it doesn't take a roster spot away. It's a
nice tribute, you know. And he getting the three thousand,
it's and it's what I've been saying about nationally, you know,
does he get overlooked me. This I think is great
because he will be saluted during that game and it
(22:04):
will be reinforced what he has done throughout his Dodger career.
So I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Kershaw has been so good that, even though he's had
the playoff lows, he still is widely considered the best
pitcher of his generation. Even with that stuff. I don't
think there's a debate about that. So it's good for
the Dodgers, it's good for major League Baseball. It gives
them another star out there. They did this with Albert
Poolhols back in twenty twenty two. I don't mind this
(22:30):
because it's an All Star game and it's no longer.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
This time it counts. It's this time. It doesn't mean
a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It doesn't count for who has home field in the
World Series anymore, thank goodness. So why not just have
the stars out there? This is what the fans want.
I'm more intrigued. I'm more likely to watch. It's not
just La I think. Naturally, yes, he doesn't get enough
respect there, but more people will still watch just because
Clayton Kershaw is involved.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, and they did it for Migul Cabrera when he
was doing his retirement victory toward too another all time
is going to be a Hall of Famer. So I
certainly understand it, and again I don't have a giant
pushback against it. I'm just out the fan and basically
giving a guy a token All Star appearance.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
No All Star games count for anything except guys get
their bonuses and if they boost them when they you know,
when they sign a new deal. But why is a
Baseball All Star game at least interesting to watch? We're
hockey and basketball, said garbage.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
First of all, you were telling me how good hockey's
format was this year, Fred, So I'm not a hockey one.
You said, the Hockey All Star game where they had
what the four countries or whatever they call it, fination.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's better, it's better, it's better, it's better. Yes, at
least it was competitive. The different man three on three
or whatever it was was terrible. It's just terrible.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And the NBA is still tweaking things. But to answer
your question, the difference is this, you can go just
as hard in a Baseball All Star Game as you
do in a regular season Baseball All Star game. Nobody's
worried about getting hurt. It's not as physical. NBA guys
don't want to get hurt. The NFL did away with
the Pro Bowl because of this rip. Sean Taylor, not everybody.
He was built like him out there. So that's the difference. Really,
(24:03):
the baseball still translates to an All Star game.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
All right, Yeah, all right. So Adam Ouslin and Kevin
Figures are in today for Rodney. All Right, we are
going to talk some Clippers Adams here. We have to,
We have no choice, but we have to. I'm sorry,
but are the Lakers and Clippers interested in the same guy.
Let's talk about that, all right. Adam and Kevin are
(24:32):
in today for Rodney one hour show for US. Dodgers
are in Milwaukee. Try to forget about the nightmare that
was this weekend. All Right, we have some NBA news
and I guess we'll start with the Clippers because Adam
is here. You thought Norman Paul played very well last year.
He turned out to be a key member of the team,
and he's no longer on the team. Adam, why did
they move him for John Collins?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Well, they went with your theory. If a guy's good,
you gotta trade him. That's what you do. You want
that with Dust to May. They want to do that
with Storm.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, Look, this is a fit thing and a contract
extension thing with Norman Powell.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Norman Poll is.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
A great clipper, was a great clipper, one of my
favorite Clippers, and he was a guy that I campaigned
for being an All Star last season. The first half
of the season he was averaging twenty four points per
game without Kawhi Leonard, he completely stepped up. Remember he
had that quote addition by subtraction with them losing Paul George.
At media Day he said that last summer, so he
(25:28):
did everything right. This isn't about anything he did wrong. Yes,
he had a down playoff series, but they needed a
power forward. They needed more size in the front court.
Kawhi has been playing the four for a while. With
John Collins of the four, it bumps Kawhi back to
playing his natural position at the three spot, and John
Collins brings some much needed athleticism. He is a guy
who's a rim runner. He's an explosive athlete, but he
(25:49):
can also shoot it from the outside, so therefore he
works okay with the Vitza Zubos four. Spacing wise, because
he can shoot three balls. He can play out there
with the starters, and I don't think they're necessarily done.
Bradley Beal could be an option. Chris Paul returning to
the Clippers could be an option.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Fred.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I know you'd be excited about that. A full circle moment,
since he just announced yesterday it's going to be his
last season in the NBA. This is Chris Paul's farewell
to her.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Who knows. Maybe he's back with the Clippers, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If he's back with the Clippers at the right price point, fine,
no problem. At the right price point, not a problem.
And by the way, he did say this is my
final year, so he will be honored wherever he ends
up playing, he'll be honored. Lebron hadn't said that. Lebron
hadn't said this is his final year. You don't think Lebron,
(26:38):
when he's gonna call it, is not going to want
to be honored and showered with admiration every place in
this country. He'll go to Major League Baseball games and
get a standing ovation. He'll ask NFL teams to give
him a retirement gift. That's Lebron. So that tells me
Lebron's not gonna call it after this upcoming year.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So wait, Lebron's not gonna call it after this year
simply because Chris Paul is and he doesn't want Chris
Paul to steal part of his spotlight. Is that what
you're saying, Fred, Absolutely, I can't have that.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
He can't. He's got to put up some cryptic tweet
to let us know, and it probably will come anyway.
Chris Paul would be I think a good move if
he came at the right price point for the clay.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
By the way, twelve thirty two, so thirty two minutes
into the show before Fred took his first shot at
Lebron James. So you want to mark that on the record.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, he's so unique. He's the only guy that would
ever want a farewell tour Fred. Nobody else has ever
done this as an all time great or anything. Now
it's just Lebron James right now, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Saying, Adam, that's what I'm saying. He wants a farewell tour.
And don't you think he'll announce before he's going to
be done so he gets that. Do you actually think
Lebron James would just wake up after the season and
go that was my final year. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He will announce the swan song. There's also a bit
of a difference between him and Chris Paul Lebron. James
made second teamba this past year, which means you could
say he's a top ten player in the league still
based upon that. So yeah, I don't think he's done yet,
but when he is, we'll all know it. It will
be plastered across social media by Clutch Sports. You can
(28:17):
get that in there, Fred, you can take those shots now.
It's fine not taking a shot.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm just saying, all right. And also with Collins, right,
he's an expiring deal, right, Adam John Collins.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, he's got twenty six and a half million on
the books for this season. Then he's an unrestricted free agent.
And the big picture of you with the Clippers is
they've lined things up to where they could have upwards
of sixty million dollars available next summer. Now because James
Harden the second year of his deal, while it's a
player option, it's only guaranteed for thirteen million. And then
Brook Lopez, who they brought in, it's a team option
(28:49):
for his second year, so they have a real chance
to make noise and reload next summer, not just twenty
twenty seven, which we thought was the major big plan
going on. Oh two years from now, the Clippers are
going to go out and make a big splash. No,
they can do it next summer now too. And by
the way, I don't know. There were the five seed
this past year when Kawhi only played thirty seven games,
(29:10):
and they've gotten better with the guys they brought in
this summer, they can be good now. So I really
like to move with John Collins. I think it's a
good fit for them. But love Norm Powell all time Clipper,
But there is a guy, as you mentioned in the
t's that both LA teams could be after here ready.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, but before we talk about Bradley Beal, I just
want to say, because you got to cover the Clippers
all the time, and I just feel this way, and
maybe I'm wrong. Doesn't Norman Palell always look like he
wants to kill you? Now here we go? Seriously that
look on his face.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Maybe you heard your show before.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
He feels like Norm Palach always has an angry face,
an angry look on his face.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know, he's got that resting angry face.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You want to say a different word than angry in there.
I know what you want to say, I know what
you wanted to say that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But I'm saying, doesn't he look that way? Well, looks
like a guy you would never want to cross. He'd
tear your face off.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is it because of the scar near his what would
be a uter brow that he got from taking a
hit in an NBA game that's permanent. Now he just
looks tougher because of that. There is a debo element
to him. Yeah, I mean he's he's a badass like that.
Norman Powell is coming for your throat. And make no mistake,
(30:25):
the Clippers didn't send him to Siberia. They didn't send
him to China. They send him to a good situation
in Miami because that's good business.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But when Norman Powell does.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Return, he's gonna try to light him up for thirty
points like that's that's what he's gonna do. That's okay
you feel some way about going up against your former employer,
but he is also revered as being a good Clipper.
And again, this has nothing to do with anything he
did wrong. This is just about fit and if they
get Bradley Beal to replace Norman Powell Kevin then like, okay,
you use Norm Powell as an asset to bring in
(30:54):
John Collins, then you can pick up Bradley Beale, who's
no longer making one hundred and ten million because he
gets bought out, Like that would be a perfect replacement
for him for the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You get an All Star on the cheap like Bradley Beal.
I mean, the sky's the limit for the Clippers. Before
I move on and expand on that, so I did
look up. I did google Norman pal smiling. It does
not look natural for him. I will say that all
due respect to normOn, It's just like who smiles more?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Him or Kawhi?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, that's a good question. Just you know, his smile
looks like Kawhi's laugh sounds. How about that? It doesn't.
It doesn't look comfortable, I'll put it that way. But
if you can't get an All Star, now, granted bal
doesn't play that much, but you know it, he would
fit right in with the Clippers culture. So Kawhi didn't
play much and brought in John Collins who plays about
forty fifty games a year, So why not slide him
right up, right up in there.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I didn't sign this.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, it's okay, it's all right. Just this the truth
hurts sometimes. Uh. Bradley, and he's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
If he's healthy, if if if or when he's healthy,
do you think he can still play? I mean really play?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh, Bradley the Bial, Yeah you can. You look at
his splits, his shooting splits. He's really a fish. I
think it was a bad fit next to Booker and
KD because they do the same stuff. Those guys are
just better at than Bradley Beal and Bial the last.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Not to cut you off at him, but he's shooting
over fifty percent from the field the last three four
seasons when healthy, When he's healthy and on the floor,
he's as good as he's ever been. Yeah, it's just
a matter of whether or not he can play more
than forty fifty games a season.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
No, how may played. Last year he played fifty three games,
fifty three games junior.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, so fifty three the last two seasons fifty before that,
forty sixty fifty seven. You have to go back to
twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, back to back seasons, where
he played in eighty two games.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Part of it is that part of the stigma with
Bradley Beal was just when you look at a bloated
contract like that, you expect the production to match it,
and when it doesn't, you really start to criticize that
player and you make it seem like he sucks. Well,
the truth is he doesn't suck. If you're only paying
him five million or three point three the veterans minimum
(32:58):
and you're getting that production, it's a steal. It's all
perception based upon how much guys are getting made sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well, you know that goes back to the story of
Dustin Penner when he played for the Ducks. The Ducks
won the Stanley Cup. Dustin Penner had one of the
great Stanley Cup runs individually as a player. All of
a sudden, this guy exploded. He was the man. He
was everywhere and people like, oh my god, Dustin Penner,
(33:26):
what a great Stanley cupp he had. So then he's
a free agent. I think Brian Burke was general manager
of the Ducks back then. So the Ducks make Dustin
Penner an offer because they want to hold on to him.
Edmonton comes in and makes this gigantic offer to Dustin Penner.
And even Brian Burke said, oh my god, what are
(33:47):
they doing? What could they have possibly thought making this
offer to Dustin Penner. He took it, He went up there.
You know, he was Dustin Penner. He wasn't the guy
that had the great Stanley Cup final. He was the
dust and Penner he had always been. The problem was
they were paying him so much, the expectation was so
great that he could never live up to it and
(34:10):
basically was a bust and not liked in Edmonton, when
really what he was doing was being Dustin Penner, the
same guy who got hot at the right time and capitalized.
So to your point at him, Yeah, if you're paying
Bradley Beal the veteran's minimum, absolutely that's great. If you're
paying them over one hundred million dollars, all of a sudden,
(34:31):
it's not so great because when you get paid that money,
there are expectations that come along with it.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Kevin, you think the Lakers are going to make a
runner him? Two reports are they're interesting in Bradley Beal.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I don't see to fit. But I also know how
the Lakers operate when it comes to star power, and
they're just trying to add as much depth to their
roster quality depth as they can, so he doesn't help
their biggest need, which I write now is perimeter defense.
They need a three and D guy. He can shoot threes,
can't defend Fred. So that's the issue of Bradley Beal now.
Not to take a shot at you, Fred, but I.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Mean not, I'm a lot quicker than I look.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, well you know, I'm just saying you can probably
put up thirty on Bradley Beal on his defense right now,
So I think that will be the issue. Whereas the
Clippers with a versatility, still having Kawhi, you have Zoo
back there. Defensively, you can probably hide him a little
bit better than where the Lakers are currently right now
with their particular roster. So from a fit standpoint, I
think he fits better with the Clippers. But knowing how
the Lakers and Genie Buzz, who for right now is
(35:28):
still in charge, and how they operate, it would not
surprise me if they gave an offer, and look, it
wouldn't cost him much either, So I mean you're you're
buying low regardless of you know, when you sign him.
If he doesn't work, you ship him off or whatever else.
But I think he's a better fit for the Clippers.
What do you what do you say?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I think the Lakers need a guy like Dorian
Phinney Smith. I really think a guy like that could
help the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
If I traded Dorian Phinney Smith, which is essentially what
they did, you traded Phinney Smith for La Ravia and
DeAndre Ayton. Money wise, I'd probably do that.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's not the worst pivot after losing him the way
they did. I like Jake Laravio a lot. Unfortunately, I
liked him so much. The night before he became a Laker,
I posted a video of him with his highlides, being like, ooh,
could the Clippers get this guy? Well, next day becomes
a Laker, and I still have to say how good
he is because I don't want to contradict myself.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That's on you. Rob Polenka always checks your feed. He
saw that and he goes, let's sign that guy.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah it just do yeah, just do. What everybody else
says is, hey, you got hacked.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It's not Polenka, who's the GM.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
It's not Magic, it's not Lebron, it's me and at
follow out of May on my ex feed.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So they did.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, Deandrean's the same thing as Bradley Beal though it's
the same exact thing for thirty five million dollars, which
is what he was making in Portland, the contract they
bought him out of. It looks bad for eight million
for Deandreyden, you're taking a risk on him in a
prove it type of year. It's beautiful for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
By the way, why didn't Ronnie James play in the
lakers first Summer League game.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
To stor up that energy for the ten points he
got in the second game? Yeah, minutes he played, by
the way, in the second game, cooking.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well, and what did they say? Well, you know they
you know he wasn't in shape something.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Well, so they say he didn't. So for the first
game they said he didn't play for conditioning purposes, and
then yesterday he played, but he only played eleven minutes.
So I actually reached out to Dan Wiki about this
because there's some speculation going on as to whether or
not he was out of shape and he was fat
and that's why they held him out. Now Wiki says,
according to his sources, the Lakers are basically managing his
minutes at this point in time, to which I say, why, ye, why,
(37:28):
what are you managing for a guy who's this young,
who's still trying to prove it. They played Dolts to
Connect thirty minutes these last two games, and and if
your goal was to showcase him for a trade, it
ain't looking that great. So if they played Dolts to
Connect thirty minutes and then I think twenty four minutes yesterday,
why is Brnnie James not playing? That part of me
just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't get that at all. A guy that needs
to play, a guy that needs minutes, needs to develop,
so that guy doesn't play in the summerly that is
so messed up. That whole situation is so messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
He wasn't well conditioned enough for game one, but a
day later he's good enough to play? Like was he
on a hamster wheel of the twenty four hours in between?
Like how did he get better? How do you get
his conditioning up that quickly? I mean, he did look
good on that dunky hat. It was actually eerily similar
to looking at a mini Lebron with the way he
gathered the basketball before he dunked it on that breakaway
(38:22):
in that game.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They get quite as high as Pops.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
But that's all right, that's a high standard to have
to live up to.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So and he's six to one or whatever, like it
ain't gonna happen. But yeah, I'm rooting for the guy,
but I have not liked the way they have handled it.
I didn't have a problem with them drafting him. I
did have a problem with him not traveling with a
G league team everywhere and staying in LA. That's the
stuff where it just leaves them open to criticism.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
What any NBA team, all right, their second round pick
from the year before, now we're starting summer league. Would
any NBA team tell the guy who was their second
round pick the year before, Yeah, take this first one off.
You're not in shape, that's fine, don't even worry about it.
I mean, don't even give a concern. You're a genuine anything.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
In comparison to your first round pick from last season,
who played in like forty or fifty games or whatever
it was for the Lakers last year and to aught
to connect. And he's playing thirty and twenty plus minutes
in the summer league and yet your second round pick,
who needs arguably needs more reps than he does is
playing less. That doesn't hold water for me. So I
don't know if there's something all going on or what,
but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And these are valuable minutes for him. This is when
he's going to get most of his runs so that
he can prove that he deserves some NBA minutes. And
all things considered, he did have that seventeen point game
last year, Like in the NBA. For as much as
people said, oh, he's not good enough to play at
the NBA, he had at least one game where you
got a glimpse of Okay, maybe this does make some sense.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Pick fifty five.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It doesn't matter to me, but yes, Fred, you're right.
If he's healthy, he should be playing these minutes. He
should be getting run.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I don't know if it's the way the Lakers are
handling it. I don't know if it's his attitude. I
don't know if it's Lebron telling him you don't need
to play, But that just doesn't work. I mean, the
point is he hasn't earned anything except he's a decent
player who's Lebron's son. Well, you've got guys, and I
(40:15):
understand nepotism. I understand your dad opens or your mom
opens the door for you. I got all that. But
once you get there, why wouldn't you. I'm playing every minute.
You're going to see it from me. I didn't just
get handed this. I will be every minute. I will
be there longer than anybody. I will be there longer
than everybody, so I can show you I deserve it.
(40:38):
Then a guy doesn't play the first game, I just
didn't sit right with me. It really didn't. All right.
We have a pair of tickets to give away for
an upcoming Dodger game eight six six nine eight seven
two five seventy, and the caller number will be five.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
For the new Laker DeAndre Aiden wear a number five,
Fred's favorite player.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Eight six six nine eighty seven two five seventy to
pay tribute to new Lakers superstar DeAndre eight. Call her five?
Good luck? All right? Robert and Nelly would to go.
You did it? You won better get past yourself. You're
going to see the Dodgers. We don't know what game,
does it matter? You're going and I can assure you
(41:22):
the game you go to they won't lose eighteen to one.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
But can't assure that. Fred, I'm going to strike that
from the record, so legal doesn't get anything. We can
I guarantee what the final score may or may not be.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I will guarantee they will not get beat eighteen to one.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right, you know what, right now, if they lose eighteen
to one, Fred will personally buy you dugout club seats
for an upcoming game.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
That will not happen. That have a very good idea.
If they lose eighteen to one, I will get Dave.
Weiced to give you tickets to another game. I will
do that.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, that's exciting, great, Yeah, I thought you got to
play bean ball with Fred. He's standing like the happy
Gilmore cage and just take a couple of baseballs to
the face of the batting cages.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Well, by the way, the doctors have taken it on
the chin a couple of times this year at home
the A's came in. I don't remember what the score was,
but they kicked their ass. It was bad.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
And this is the A's we're talking about right now.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
The Houston Astros, who granted have been really hot in
one of the best teams in the American League. Sure,
it's not out of the Roman possibility that the Dodgers
couldn't lose eighteen to one. Again, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Okay, fine, you know, if you want to put that
out there, that's on you. That's on you to what
Kevin said. I think Kevin is the problem. And now
he's emphasized that it'll be fine. Robert, you won Stop bitching.
You're going. Why is Robert complaining? What's wrong with him?
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Congratulations? Now stop bitching, not spread talking to the winner.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Go to the game and that's it. You go.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Do you like it?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Dodgers Milwaukee today early start here on the West coast
for us. So that'll do it. Adam and Kevin will
both be back tomorrow. Guys, thank you, Henk you, Fred
appreciate it. Ronnie, thank you. We'll see you tomorrow.
Roggin And Rodney News
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.