August 29, 2025 • 37 mins
Vinny Bonsignore hops on to talk about the Parsons trade to Green Bay, the season outlook for the AFC and NFC West and more. We talk about a little league umpire who got into a heated exhange with a coach and actually physically attacked him.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five to seventy LA Sports. Don't know if you
saw the fight between the little league umpire and a
parent a coach. I don't know if you saw that video,
but we're gonna talk about that coming up later on
in the yard.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I gotta see that video. I missed that video. Seven
sentence he sent a link. Oh, perfect, Yeah, check the link.
Then we can talk about it coming up in a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Okay, Now let's bring on our NFL insider and our buddy,
Vinnie Bon Senior.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Benny. Good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Good afternoon, guys. I'm gonna say this right now. I
played Montaba Little League in Vctura, California, probably eight years.
There probably was not one year that went by that
somebody didn't fight. So, you know, I know, we make
a big deal out of it, and we should not
do that. I'm not saying that we should, but just
hearing that, it just brought back so many memories of
times where we were sitting on the field when some
dad fucked an ump or a manager fought an up
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and they got they got it out of the way,
and then they move. We moved on to the game.
So it just feels like a wait, way bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I have never seen. I've never seen a fight in
a little league baseball game. And you say that happened
all the time. You've never seen a fight in the
league with the umpire and and a and a manager,
or an umpire and a parent, or a parent and
a manager coach physical altercation. Yeah, I've never seen that. Uh.
(01:23):
And you were an umpire and I worked for little
league baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Did you ever watch bad news bearers?
I mean, that's that's kind of like how it was
for for for our little league. It was like the
spinning image of our little league. So you know it
shouldn't happen at all.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But I just.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Remember, you know, parents being kind of round, bunctious, and
same with football, you know, uh, Pop Warner football, and
there was always some kind of fistic cups that were happening.
So it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
A lot of times in those umps he got it's
such a wide range. So a lot of times you
have the the older ump that just doesn't let go
a little league and he's been doing it for thirty years,
and then you've got the young is in their twenties,
that our umpire and that probably the manager of coach
doesn't think they know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, exactly. Then you've got parents who think they know
that that that that that they know everything, so that
that always uh never that that that can that can
throw a little bit into the pot as well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, Benny, let's go. Michael Parsons. Jerry Jones trades him.
Your initial reaction.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Was pretty shocked, you know, you just it's it's rare
that that a team trades a player of that caliber,
and it was kind of disappointing listening to Jerry Jones. Uh,
you know, talked yesterday and kind of ramble, to be
honest with you. You know, somebody Fred that we got
to know during during the uh you know, the NFL
(02:46):
back to Los Angeles. Uh, he's starting to show his
age and that's unfortunate and unfortunate and kind of wish
that somebody in the Cowboys organization, his son or maybe
his daughter or a family member can kind of send
him down a little bit and and and talk to
him about all that. But I don't know how you
do that. It's Jerry Jones and it's his team. And
he's gonna go up there and represent the team and
(03:07):
be the team spokesman and the coach and a general
manager and the owner and everything else, and it all
kind of funnels through him. But it was it was, yeah,
a little bit not worry some, but but a little
unnerving listening to him Taked yesterday, just he felt every
bit the eighty two years old that he is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, nothing to see here. Everything's gonna be all right.
We're going to be better without him. I mean, it's
all the things that you hear coming out of that
camp is really strange. And the fact that I don't know,
I haven't looked it up, but he's got to be
the only owner that is the general manager. I mean
(03:44):
in a in a day and age where where you've
got rockstar general managers out there now that that I
have big time names, whether it be football, basketball, or baseball,
that they're more well known now than they ever have been.
Know the name of general matter, whether it be Brandon
Bean in Buffalo. Let's need out here. You know, you
(04:05):
you know general managers. Yet Jerry still maintains that role,
which is that in itself, Benny, the fact that he's
the only one makes it very strange.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And it's a complex job, Rodney, And you know that, yeah, people,
but it's a big staff. And you know, I'll guarantee
you this, Jerry doesn't put the time into it that
a less Need does or or any of these general managers.
It is a twenty four or seven job. And I
don't know he thinks that he can do it without really,
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you know, having the knowledge number one, or the or
the you know, the time element and and and giving
to that job as much as you need to do,
you know. And and it's the last owner that really
kind of did that was Al Davis. And obviously he
started showing his age toward towards the end, but he
was sharp as a whip for a long time. He
knew football. And I sometimes wonder about Jerry Jones. And
(05:01):
you know, you played there, Rodney. You know that it's
unlike any any other team anywhere, because after the game,
the owner literally parks himself in the middle of the
locker room or somewhere close by and does a full
on press conference. And you got the coach talking over here,
but you got Jerry Jones over here. And you have
to have a dedicated reporter over there, and it's a
(05:23):
big pack of reporters that are around him, and he's
liable to say anything. He can say anything, he's the owner, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That really undermines your entire coaching staff and what you're doing. Yeah,
it's very troublesome.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Imagine you're having a press conference, like you said, you have,
your coach is having a postgame press conference, and then
all the commotion is with Jerry Jones that's right outside
the locker room, having his own and contradicting half the
things you're saying when he's not in the ex'es and
o's meetings during all throughout the week and just talking.
It is very strong, Vinnie, this upcoming season. Is it
(06:01):
me or does it feel like it's taken forever for
this season to start?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah? I think I think there's been this week in
between this week. You know, they took that fourth preseason
game out. They didn't take the week out. Remember he
used to go fourth preseason game boom. You know, the
regular season starts next week like we would literally be
having preseason games right now basically, And I think that
extends it. And then you have this weird this weird break,
(06:26):
like the Raiders are off until Monday. They practiced yesterday,
they got today, tomorrow and Sunday off and it's just
like this weird nomand land that's that you're in right now.
I wish there was something that they could do about it.
Maybe when they add the eighteenth game, they'll start the
game this week rather than the next week. That that
that that'll that remains to be seen. But I'm with you.
I'm raring to go. I know everybody's raring to go,
(06:48):
and it feels like we're wasting an opportunity this week
to play NFL football.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, So Betty, let's start with the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Uh. I think everybody pretty much believes it's going to
be the Chiefs. Then some are saying it'll be the Broncos,
and then the Chargers and then the Raiders. Now how
do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, just the fact that the Raiders are actually in
that conversation, and I think legitimately so talks about a
lot about the changes that have happened here, and you know,
the new level of coaching and quarterback played. Gino Smith
has looked so good during training camp of manxious to
see if that carries over into the regular season. But
when I look at Justin Herbert and John Harbaugh, and
(07:30):
I look at bow Knicks and Sean Payton, I look
at Gino Smith and Pete Carroll, it's kind of hard
to pick, like who you think is going to be
able to be that second team, And you've got there's
reasons for to say each team has an opportunity. When
you see this Raiders offense and what Chip Kelly has
in store for this offense with a lot of explosive players,
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that that in and of itself is going to keep
the you know, the Raiders in a lot of games.
You look at the Broncos and that defense, and then
Sean Payton managing bow Knicks and some of the improvements
that they made on offense, that looks like a legitimate
football team. And anytime you got Justin Herbert and Jim
Harbaugh and and what they're putting together in Los Angeles,
that's a playoff team last year, as were the Broncos.
(08:14):
So there's a lot to like about this AFC. And
I think it's gonna come down to health. Obviously that's
number one, But who could take care of the ball,
And you know, who wins the turnover battle, who's sharp
on third downs and in the red zone, kind of
the things that football typically does. But it's hard to
take a favorite because I think all three of these
teams are going to be very well coached.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I agree. When you look around, I think other
than maybe the the NFC North with the Detroit Green
Bay now with Michael Parsons and Minnesota are gonna are
gonna fight it out. I think Chicago's probably another year
or two away, but that's a very competitive division, but
not like like the AFC West. Vinnie, I would not
(08:57):
be shocked. I know, you know Fred throughout their Kansas City,
A lot of people are I wouldn't be shocked if
any one of the West teams ends up winning that division.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I agree, And you know it's going to start
off pretty early with the Chargers in the Kansasity Chiefs
and I don't know who had an edge in that
in that game. It's a long way to go to
go play a football game, and whoever handles that that
that big trip and everything that goes along with it
is going to get off to a pretty good start.
And I think that you know the following week that
(09:28):
there's gonna be a lot of I mean, it's played
on Friday, so that that works because you got that
extra couple of days, you know, to rest up for
the next game. But and you know, and you think
about the Chargers, they go from Brazil playing the Chiefs
to the very next week they're playing the Raiders out
here on a Monday night. So a couple of really
big stages for the Chargers. It will be interesting to
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see how they help they handle that those first two games.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Bennie, how you see the NFC West as far as
the Rams go, I think the Rams are predicted to
finish second, not because the forty nine ers are better,
but because the forty nine ers have an easier schedule.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
What do you think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's I'm surprised by that, to be honest with you.
And I know that there's a lot of difference for
Kyle Shanahan and you know, and and brock Party and
and what the what the forty nine ers have historically done,
But I just think that they've they've lost a lot
of personnel, they're they're banged up, they've been hurt throughout
training camp, and to me, as long as and this
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is the big is. As long as Matthew Stafford stays healthy,
I don't see any reason why the Rams shouldn't win
that division. I think they've got the better personnel up
and down. I think their coach is just as good,
and I think their quarterback is is on their best
days and when healthy, I think their quarterback is better
than the forty nine ers quarterback and I think very
highly of brock Party. So to me, it'll come down
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to again, health, but specifically the health of Matthew Stafford.
He can't afford to miss any games and give the
forty nine ers a kind of an edge because he's
just unable to get on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Does that concern you at all, Benny, All this talk
about him and his back and what we don't know
because nobody plays in preseason anymore. Even if he was
completely healthy, he wouldn't play. But the fact that he
hasn't taken a hit and when he does, what that
reaction is going to be Because of all the teams,
I think most teams, especially the teams in the West,
(11:25):
they cannot afford to not have Matthew Stafford. And that's
no disrespect to Jimmy g because I think he can
win two to three to four games for you, but
to compete the whole season, it's going to be difficult
for the Rams to do that without Stafford.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, there's no doubt. And you know it's not just
an injury of you know, if he gets hit, of
course that that that puts him in real Jeffreys Hoad.
It's on this offensive line. That's on Sean McVay to
really to really protect him because he can't afford for
that to happen. Why there's a breakdown and you know
he takes a beating back there and then on top
everything else, he's got the back issue. But it's also
(12:02):
it's a back issue. And we know how those things
can work out. It's like you don't have to get
hit for that back to flare up. It's sometimes just
getting out of bed or taking the wrong step or
just you know how you slept that that particular night.
There's so much that that can can contribute to a
back just being an issue, not just getting hit. But
on top of that, he is going to get hit
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and it is a physical sport and whether he gets
sacked or you know, getting getting hit after a pass,
every time you almost you almost feel like you have
to hold your breath, and I guess it's going to
take you know, two or three straight games for Matthew
to kind of get through it before any of us
can really have a level of confidence and comfort level
that he's gonna be okay, because we don't know the
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extent of it. And this could be, as as Fred
said last week, hit away from being a real problem
or just getting out of the bed a wrong way
for it to be a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Avan as we begin the season, coaches who could be
in trouble In other words, they got a win.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Who are they?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I keep talking. I think I think Shane stikeed
in in Indianapolis. You know the way they've handled the
quarterback situation, they you know, they rolled the Dice and
Anthony Richardson obviously that hasn't worked. Now is Daniel Jones,
And you know, it's a pretty good football team otherwise,
but they've just they just haven't had to handle the
quarterback situation very well. So if they get off to
(13:25):
a slow start, what's his future? I think Mike McDaniel
in Miami, there's some weird things coming out of coming
out of Miami and with the Dolphins and something just
doesn't feel right, and you know, I'm wondering if they
don't get off to a fast start, if he's in jeopardy.
Brian Davile with the New York Giants, I think they've
got a little bit of safety net because if it
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does start going a little bit sideways, they can always
go to the young quarterback Jackson Dart and say, hey, look,
you know, we drafted our quarterback. It's going to take
some time, there's gonna be some growing pains, but we're
the right staff, you know, to get the best out
of him. And maybe that buys by by him sometime.
But to me, those would be the first two that
sort of jump out at me.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
What from a team standpoint, Vinnie, what team do you
think is going to surprise some people this year?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I wasn't gonna say Green Bay, but maybe that's not
a big surprise anymore. I think the Atlanta Falcons. I
like Michael Pennix a lot. I like the coaching staff
over there. I love the running back. You know they've
been Maheem's getting that defense kind of squared away, and
that's a division to me. That's that's that's out there
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for the for the taken. You know, I think the
tay Buccaneers right now would have to be considered the favorites.
But but I like Michael PENNOCKX a lot, and I'm
really curious where he takes this in year two of
full season with him being the starter. Hopefully he stays healthy.
I was a big fan of his at the University
of Washington, So I think for me, the Atlanta Falcons
are a team to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
All right, Well, Benny, thanks for coming on, appreciate the
information as always, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
All right, an ugly scene in Little League baseball. I've
never seen it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Apparently Vinnie has Rodney has I'm the only one that
has it, so let's talk about it next.
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Ever love, ever, love oven of hits. That's right, all right,
let's go. Here's Marvin Gaye. I'd hit that post every time.
I don't think I could do that anymore, but I
did that all. I have never seen Vinnie saw it, Rodney,
you said you've seen it. I don't know if Kevin
or Ronnie has seen it.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I have seen it. Fred I saw it last night.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You saw a fight at a little Oh you saw
the video?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Oh in real life? I thought you were talking about
the video.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
No, I've never seen a Little League fight in my life.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I never have a I am probably the Little League
for years. I've never seen a fight, never seen an
umpire and apparent fight.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
At a little league game ever. Never.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But apparently Ronnie saw it on TV last night and
it happened. It happened in Rosemead recently. You've got eleven
and twelve year old kids. So those are Little League kids, right?
That would be the major division, right, the majors. Yeah,
not the miners. Okay, so they get the cool uniforms
and right, and the miners, you know, stepping it up.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, you step it up to the majors. You get
the cool uniforms. Usually you're dug out. It's a little
bit better, you know. Yeah, you get the cool stuff
going on in majors because that's that's the age where
it's all about the Lily World Series and the All Stars.
If you make it at eleven and twelve, you can
get their twelve year olds are the ones. So yeah,
that's the big time in most Little league parks. That
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is the big time when you get to the majors.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay, Now, when I empired, by the way, and that's
when dinosaurs rolled the earth. But when I empired, you
didn't get paid your volunteers. Now they pay today because
they can't find any volunteers quite frankly. So then it
was it was a volunteer. Now you got a couple
of bucks normally. Normally and Rodney hit it earlier. I
mean sometimes you have people that have been doing it
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for years. That's just what they do. They like to umpire,
They empire Little League Baseball. They could be in their
forties or fifties. They have done it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now in the smaller divisions, you usually get kids, they
could even be teenagers. Right. You give them like fifteen
bucks a game, and they're out there umpiring. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Now, the one thing I've always believed, and this is
just me, I've always believed this, if you're going to
do something, you need to try and do it well.
I've never been of the opinion that when an umpire
in youth sports completely kicks a call, that's okay, they're trying.
I don't buy that. Everybody's gonna miss calls. Everybody's gonna
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miss stuff. It doesn't matter even in the pros. But
you gotta really be trying. The eye the volunteer that
doesn't work, I don't believe that. We're only paying him
fifteen bucks.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He's still doing it, So do the best job you can,
all Right. In this particular game, one of the coaches
is giving it to the played umpire. I mean, he
thinks he's a weaver. Right, He's given it to him.
He's given him the business. He's given it to him.
He's given it to him. He's given it to him.
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He comes out of the dugout and now he's going
to challenge him. He's got something to say to the guy.
By the way, you know, in Little League baseball, if
you take one step out of the dugout, out without
being acknowledged and waved in, you're rejected.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
When when the first base coach though, when did the
first base coach? I thought, well, he was coming from
the dugout, he was coming from over there. I thought
he was coming from first box. But go ahead, he's coming.
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
If you approach the umpire, if you approach the umpire,
he's got to acknowledge you. For if you come out
of the dugout, you're rejected. We're not even gonna have
a conversation. And what I used to do is they'd
come out, and if you come out without being acknowledged
or waved in, you're rejected. Call time, you're waved in
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what I used to do, and you we tell him
before the game every time, if you come out of
the dugout without us acknowledging you, you're rejected. So one game,
here comes the here comes the manager out of the dugout.
We didn't even wave a minute, just came out and
he stood there and he talked to me. So now
he's standing there and I'm working to plate that game
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and he's talking to me, and he's upset about something.
I don't even know what it was. I said, look,
you know the rule, right, If you come out here
and you're not acknowledged, you have to go. And he
stared at me. I said, but I'm not going to
do that to you because that would be embarrassing in
front of the whole crowd. I know you're trying to
make a point here, and I understand. So here, I'm
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going to give you a break. He's come all the
way out of the dugout now, okay's at home plate.
I'm going to give you a break. If you can
get back to the dugout in one step, you can stay.
The guy came one hundred steps. If you can get
back in one step, you can stay. He goes, well
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I can't. I went, you're right boom, I ran him
right there.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm so bad. It's so bad, Fred. You know what
I used to do, because I used to I manage
a little bit, uh at my little league, my kids
in the little league. I did my best Tomyla Sorda,
my best coach, Mike Gillespie at USC to your point,
you know, if they didn't acknowledge you, then you're not
allowed to come out of So I would go talk
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to my picture, right, So I go talk to my picture,
and I just wait. I had my back to the plate,
and I'd wait for the umpire to come. And I
learned this from I'd wait for the umpire because they
gotta come. You're gonna come up there and break it up, right, Okay, coach,
it's enough. You know he's coming, and you can tell
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when he's coming. And then you know, you start to hey,
it's not you, it's not you. That guy behind is
blind as a batman. I don't even know what he's
thinking about. He must be drunk or something to making
calls like that. I've never seen anything. And I would
just go off on and it did get thrown out
a couple of times, but it was my way of
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avoiding not being because they didn't want me to come out,
and they knew I was coming out. They were like, no, no,
stay right there. You can't argue that. You can't do that.
I don't want to hear nothing about balls and strikes
or nothing like. I'm not talking about balls. I just
want to talk to you. Nope, nope, yeah, those guys,
but Gilesbie taught you that, Oh Gillespie was the best
at that. He would come out and talk to the picture.
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We you know, the infielder I played third base, and
we would come in and he'd say, all right, guys,
this hold tight, hold tight. He wouldn't say anything, this
whole tight. And then the umpire would come and you go,
and it would be vulgar too. He would be it's
it and he would act like he didn't know the
umpires behind him, but he knew exactly the empire was
right there. This guy is calling the worst game I've
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ever se. I don't even know how they let him
in college baseball making calls like that. He needs to
go back to being a scientists or whatever he did
before this, because he's horrible. He's horrible. My blind eighty
nine year old dad could call a better game than
this guy. I don't understand what he's doing. May he is,
and it would be with profanity mixed into the whole
thing as well, But he would look at the empire,
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wouldn't look at him, wouldn't look at him. Sounds like
the umpire overheard him. Yes, okay, I overheard him, and
oh oh, oh, oh okay, come on, coach, break it up, coach,
bring it up, coach. He rarely got thrown out for
that though, which is which is amazing in itself. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So then he would go, you know, Gillespie would leave,
the umpire would turn his back, would you guys kind
of snicker?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh, we would loving it. We would loving it. It
was the best thing in the world. It was hard
to it was hard to finish out that any because
we were all just laughing, laughing at what he did.
And he was, yeah, he was. He was brilliant that way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So in this case, the coach comes out, he's talking
to the empire. You watch the video and from the reports,
you know, it's like a major league game. Now, he's
sticking his finger in his chest, right, he's right up
there in his face. I mean he he's made contact.
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The umpire has enough. The umpire just says that's it
and starts throwing down. Basically, yeah, the umpires had it
and starts throwing down at him.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
With the first punch, the umpire hit him with the
first punch. Yeah. The umpire was a big guy. Yeah, Yeah,
hit him with the first punch and then tried to
karate kick, threw him down, threw him down, yeah, and
kicked him, tried to kick him. Yeah, that was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't know if the kick made contact, but he
he he let loose until everybody ran in, broke it up.
Sheriff's department came. Two guys were taken away.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's crazy because even people were witnessing that are commented
on that. On that story we're talking about. You know
there were things that were happening. You had to know
that it was building for a while. I'm sure it
had been between that coach and the umpire. Things had
to be building prior to that incident of why they
got into it like they did. But certainly the coach
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comes up and puts his finger in the umpire's face.
It's just you're asking for it pretty much. Then it's
little league baseball. Yeah, it is little league baseball. It
ain't that deep.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I understand everybody wants to win, and don't kid yourself.
They do. Do not kid yourself. Don't think everybody's out
there as little owe would say, we're going to have fun. No,
that's not why they're there. That's not why they're They're
there to win. That's youth sports. You try to win
every time and parents get really upset. Oh, parents live
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through the kids, right, that's that issue or that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Moment that they didn't win or they didn't have their
moment or want to relive their moment. They relive it
through the kids, and that's when the real problems start
to arise.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right, if you're managing a team, if you're coaching a team,
the reality is sometimes you're not going to get a
great official, be it basketball, be it baseball, in football,
they're going to miss calls.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It is frustrating because you expect them to get them
all right. They can't, they won't, but you expect that.
And then when you go to attack them, that's another problem.
I mean, that's an issue when you start attacking the officials.
If this coach hadn't given the umpire the business you get.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's one.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You always hear somebody out as long as I don't
embarrass it. You hear them out because at the end
of it, you hear them out. But then you say,
that's it, that's it. Go, I don't want to embarrass
you go back, that's it, let's go. If it continues,
you got to run them right away, they're gone. You
just don't put up with it. If not, you lose
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control of the game, right, your job is to restore
and keep order in the game as an official. If
the game is played with order, you've done your job.
If you lose control of the game, now you have
a problem. Now there's an issue. So you just have
to keep order and control and be able to walk
off and nobody even knew you were there.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You've done a good job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You can't be yelling and sticking your finger in the
guy's face or his chest.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You can't do that. You just can't.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Conversely, if you're the umpire, you know you can't go
nuts on the guy start throwing down.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Certainly, you certainly can't. Yeah, you certainly can't get physical.
You can't throw throw the punches at the coach and
then who knows. I mean it's a little granular. But
the coach did have his finger in the face and
maybe he touched the umpire, maybe, you know, make contact,
and that was cause for the umpire said, okay, uh
you touch me. Now I'm about to touch you. But
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I think the umpire said he was in fear of
his life. That's a stretch, given the umpire was probably
one hundred pounds heavier than the than the coach and
then threw the coach down like a rag doll dumpire,
saying it he was fearful of his life.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It may be a little stretch fed well, at that point,
you got to say something, right, you have to justify
what you did. I mean, I don't know what he
thought the coach was gonna do. And the coach had
never stuck his finger in his.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Face or anything like that. And you're done. You're out.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And the other thing is and the thing that's so
hard for parents to get, and it's unfair to the kids,
you know. If that continues, game's over. Turn around, go
back to the back out. One more word and the
game is over. Shut the whole game down. Now you're
Dolley ruined it for the kids. Right, we're gonna do it.
This is not right. Go back and sit down. If
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you continue, the game is over, you've lost. You forfeited.
That's how it's going to be recorded. That should shut
him up, That should stop him. Go back and sit down,
that's how you handle it up. The drunk guy that
tried to throw me out of the game, but then
I got him thrown out.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The guy under the tree, he was the umpire right,
he was right. He was the umpire. He was drunk.
He was eating a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
The greasy cheeseburger was affecting his stomach, and he was
drinking beer out of a brown paper bag and it
had to be one hundred and ten degrees. And when
the game started, you wonder where the empire was. And
then you remember the guy you saw eating the cheeseburger
and drinking under the tree. He walks on the field,
he's on the feet up. This is the umpire. He
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was working the bases. He called one of our guys out.
He was saved by ten feet ten feet.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
He wasn't even close. I don't even know what gear
I was watching. Was he the home playing umpire he
had the gear on? Maybe? Oh he was working a basis. Oh,
he was working the basis.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Wow, the guy, he was so safe. I mean, it
wasn't even a question. I mean the crowd went boo
of are you kidding me? And that's when I started
yelling at him, you're better than that, You're better than that.
And he looked at me and I went, you're better
than that. Then, because it was drunk, he threw me
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out of the game. Then I wouldn't leave.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm not leaving. You're drunk.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'm not leaving. I'm gonna stand right here. Where did
he get the tournament director? Go get him, Go get
the tournament director right now, because I'm not leaving. Here
comes the tournament director.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because you didn't let on that you knew he was
drunk right at that point until the tournament director came there. No,
I told him he was drunk. I told him he drunk.
If he told him that, why would he want to
get the tournament director because they were just going to
find out anyway.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, apparently he didn't think he was drunk. So here
comes the tournament director. He walks out. He goes, man,
he threw you out of the game. He gotta go.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm going. I won't go. I said, go smell his breath.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
He's drunk. Go smell his breath. If you smell his
breath and you tell me he's not drunk, I'll leave.
But if he is drunk, I'm gonna stay right here.
The guy walks back to at me and he goes,
you can stay, And you see the empire leaving the field.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
He's drunk.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I can just see you too. I'm not leaving. I'm
not leaving. I'm not leaving. I was very cleaning. That's
very I'm not I'm just not going go smell his breath.
If you can tell me that you don't smell alcohol
in his breath, I'll leave right now. Look, i'll start
walking that way, but if you smell alcohol, I'm staying.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And that's the next thing you saw. The guy was
umpire was leaving a field and a tournament director said,
we've never ejected an umpire before. I said, see, there's
the first time for Everything's a fir time for everything.
So here's the bottom line. Don't show up drunk an umpire.
(33:10):
Uh two o'clock. Bill Plunkett, Oh Seniors group joins us.
We'll talk some Dodgers when we come back. What's real
and what's hype?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
Robbie Pete, Fred Rogan on a Anything Goes Friday? Wow, Fred,
what about an incident with you and a as you
as the umpire. Did you ever you ever get throw
somebody out and they got mad at you threw one
guy out through one guy out? Last name was Laired.
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Why do you know his last name?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Because I remember all too well. Uh, I remember all
too well. I'll just say you real fast. So he
he was the number one manager of this minor league team.
So it was the younger kids, right, And I was
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umpiring when I was very young, so I was actually
still in the majors. I was like twelve, but these
are like the nine year old kids. So I was
doing their games. So I'm like twelve years old, and
this guy would not shut up. He would not stop.
It didn't matter. From the very beginning every game, whoever umpired,
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he was.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
On him, just on him. It was on the unmerciful.
So he was on whoever umpired, he he was on him, right, Okay,
So I mean it was really hard. It was difficult
to even watch this.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So it was I don't know, was it a playoff
game in the minors, I'm not sure, but I mean
he was like the big bully.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And it didn't matter how old the umpire was. He
just oh and the yelling.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay, So it was a playoff game, so they sent
me in for the playoff game. Twelve year old, I'm
going into work the playoffs now. So I get in
there and I you know, I was a little kid,
but I still knew what umpire I was learning and
I'd do a good job. That's how I progressed through
the Little league system and did the regionals in the
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World Series. So anyway, I'm working the game, Rodney. It's
the second inning, the second inning, and he started. These
games are six innings long, right second inning. He started,
and he's got like a twelve year old behind the plate,
and he started and I stood there and I listened
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to him just a little bit, and then I called time,
and I this is a kid doing this to an adult.
I pointed at the dugout and I motioned for him
to come out, and he looked around, like what And
he came out and he stood about four feet from me,
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and I said, I've had enough. I've had enough. I'd
better not hear one more word from you. That's what
I said. He goes, oh, you don't want to hear
one more word from me. I went, You're out of
the game. That was one more word, and he was stunned,
(36:40):
and the crowd was like nobody could speak because I
told him I don't want to hear one more word,
not one more Oh, you don't want to hear another word.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You're gone.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
That was a word, go, and he walked off. And
that's when I threw a guy out. Very nice, right,
you know, it's pretty simple. Hey, you're not supposed to
come out of here, but I'm gonna give you a break.
If you can get back within one step, I'm not
gonna throw you out on my hundred steps away. I
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guess you're gone. See you got it, you gotta go.
It's pretty simple, no hard feelings, go.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
It is what it is. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It is what it is, all right, Kevin, Do we
have time to do this now? We're gonna do it
next hour.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Let's do it next hour.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Now, I don't want to keep Bill Plunkett waiting.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
All right, We've got Bill Plunkett coming up here. We'll
talk more about the Dodgers, then we'll get into expectations.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Next hour.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Dodgers back at it against Arizona. They start the night
with a two game lead over the Padres. Bill Plunkett
joins us next
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five to seventy LA Sports. Don't know if you
saw the fight between the little league umpire and a
parent a coach. I don't know if you saw that video,
but we're gonna talk about that coming up later on
in the yard.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I gotta see that video. I missed that video. Seven
sentence he sent a link. Oh, perfect, Yeah, check the link.
Then we can talk about it coming up in a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Okay, Now let's bring on our NFL insider and our buddy,
Vinnie Bon Senior.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Benny. Good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Good afternoon, guys. I'm gonna say this right now. I
played Montaba Little League in Vctura, California, probably eight years.
There probably was not one year that went by that
somebody didn't fight. So, you know, I know, we make
a big deal out of it, and we should not
do that. I'm not saying that we should, but just
hearing that, it just brought back so many memories of
times where we were sitting on the field when some
dad fucked an ump or a manager fought an up
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and they got they got it out of the way,
and then they move. We moved on to the game.
So it just feels like a wait, way bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I have never seen. I've never seen a fight in
a little league baseball game. And you say that happened
all the time. You've never seen a fight in the
league with the umpire and and a and a manager,
or an umpire and a parent, or a parent and
a manager coach physical altercation. Yeah, I've never seen that. Uh.
(01:23):
And you were an umpire and I worked for little
league baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Did you ever watch bad news bearers?
I mean, that's that's kind of like how it was
for for for our little league. It was like the
spinning image of our little league. So you know it
shouldn't happen at all.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But I just.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Remember, you know, parents being kind of round, bunctious, and
same with football, you know, uh, Pop Warner football, and
there was always some kind of fistic cups that were happening.
So it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
A lot of times in those umps he got it's
such a wide range. So a lot of times you
have the the older ump that just doesn't let go
a little league and he's been doing it for thirty years,
and then you've got the young is in their twenties,
that our umpire and that probably the manager of coach
doesn't think they know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, exactly. Then you've got parents who think they know
that that that that that they know everything, so that
that always uh never that that that can that can
throw a little bit into the pot as well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
All right, Benny, let's go. Michael Parsons. Jerry Jones trades him.
Your initial reaction.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Was pretty shocked, you know, you just it's it's rare
that that a team trades a player of that caliber,
and it was kind of disappointing listening to Jerry Jones. Uh,
you know, talked yesterday and kind of ramble, to be
honest with you. You know, somebody Fred that we got
to know during during the uh you know, the NFL
(02:46):
back to Los Angeles. Uh, he's starting to show his
age and that's unfortunate and unfortunate and kind of wish
that somebody in the Cowboys organization, his son or maybe
his daughter or a family member can kind of send
him down a little bit and and and talk to
him about all that. But I don't know how you
do that. It's Jerry Jones and it's his team. And
he's gonna go up there and represent the team and
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be the team spokesman and the coach and a general
manager and the owner and everything else, and it all
kind of funnels through him. But it was it was, yeah,
a little bit not worry some, but but a little
unnerving listening to him Taked yesterday, just he felt every
bit the eighty two years old that he is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, nothing to see here. Everything's gonna be all right.
We're going to be better without him. I mean, it's
all the things that you hear coming out of that
camp is really strange. And the fact that I don't know,
I haven't looked it up, but he's got to be
the only owner that is the general manager. I mean
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in a in a day and age where where you've
got rockstar general managers out there now that that I
have big time names, whether it be football, basketball, or baseball,
that they're more well known now than they ever have been.
Know the name of general matter, whether it be Brandon
Bean in Buffalo. Let's need out here. You know, you
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you know general managers. Yet Jerry still maintains that role,
which is that in itself, Benny, the fact that he's
the only one makes it very strange.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And it's a complex job, Rodney, And you know that, yeah, people,
but it's a big staff. And you know, I'll guarantee
you this, Jerry doesn't put the time into it that
a less Need does or or any of these general managers.
It is a twenty four or seven job. And I
don't know he thinks that he can do it without really,
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you know, having the knowledge number one, or the or
the you know, the time element and and and giving
to that job as much as you need to do,
you know. And and it's the last owner that really
kind of did that was Al Davis. And obviously he
started showing his age toward towards the end, but he
was sharp as a whip for a long time. He
knew football. And I sometimes wonder about Jerry Jones. And
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you know, you played there, Rodney. You know that it's
unlike any any other team anywhere, because after the game,
the owner literally parks himself in the middle of the
locker room or somewhere close by and does a full
on press conference. And you got the coach talking over here,
but you got Jerry Jones over here. And you have
to have a dedicated reporter over there, and it's a
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big pack of reporters that are around him, and he's
liable to say anything. He can say anything, he's the owner, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That really undermines your entire coaching staff and what you're doing. Yeah,
it's very troublesome.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Imagine you're having a press conference, like you said, you have,
your coach is having a postgame press conference, and then
all the commotion is with Jerry Jones that's right outside
the locker room, having his own and contradicting half the
things you're saying when he's not in the ex'es and
o's meetings during all throughout the week and just talking.
It is very strong, Vinnie, this upcoming season. Is it
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me or does it feel like it's taken forever for
this season to start?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah? I think I think there's been this week in
between this week. You know, they took that fourth preseason
game out. They didn't take the week out. Remember he
used to go fourth preseason game boom. You know, the
regular season starts next week like we would literally be
having preseason games right now basically, And I think that
extends it. And then you have this weird this weird break,
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like the Raiders are off until Monday. They practiced yesterday,
they got today, tomorrow and Sunday off and it's just
like this weird nomand land that's that you're in right now.
I wish there was something that they could do about it.
Maybe when they add the eighteenth game, they'll start the
game this week rather than the next week. That that
that that'll that remains to be seen. But I'm with you.
I'm raring to go. I know everybody's raring to go,
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and it feels like we're wasting an opportunity this week
to play NFL football.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, So Betty, let's start with the AFC West.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Uh. I think everybody pretty much believes it's going to
be the Chiefs. Then some are saying it'll be the Broncos,
and then the Chargers and then the Raiders. Now how
do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, just the fact that the Raiders are actually in
that conversation, and I think legitimately so talks about a
lot about the changes that have happened here, and you know,
the new level of coaching and quarterback played. Gino Smith
has looked so good during training camp of manxious to
see if that carries over into the regular season. But
when I look at Justin Herbert and John Harbaugh, and
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I look at bow Knicks and Sean Payton, I look
at Gino Smith and Pete Carroll, it's kind of hard
to pick, like who you think is going to be
able to be that second team, And you've got there's
reasons for to say each team has an opportunity. When
you see this Raiders offense and what Chip Kelly has
in store for this offense with a lot of explosive players,
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that that in and of itself is going to keep
the you know, the Raiders in a lot of games.
You look at the Broncos and that defense, and then
Sean Payton managing bow Knicks and some of the improvements
that they made on offense, that looks like a legitimate
football team. And anytime you got Justin Herbert and Jim
Harbaugh and and what they're putting together in Los Angeles,
that's a playoff team last year, as were the Broncos.
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So there's a lot to like about this AFC. And
I think it's gonna come down to health. Obviously that's
number one, But who could take care of the ball,
And you know, who wins the turnover battle, who's sharp
on third downs and in the red zone, kind of
the things that football typically does. But it's hard to
take a favorite because I think all three of these
teams are going to be very well coached.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I agree. When you look around, I think other
than maybe the the NFC North with the Detroit Green
Bay now with Michael Parsons and Minnesota are gonna are
gonna fight it out. I think Chicago's probably another year
or two away, but that's a very competitive division, but
not like like the AFC West. Vinnie, I would not
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be shocked. I know, you know Fred throughout their Kansas City,
A lot of people are I wouldn't be shocked if
any one of the West teams ends up winning that division.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I agree, And you know it's going to start
off pretty early with the Chargers in the Kansasity Chiefs
and I don't know who had an edge in that
in that game. It's a long way to go to
go play a football game, and whoever handles that that
that big trip and everything that goes along with it
is going to get off to a pretty good start.
And I think that you know the following week that
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there's gonna be a lot of I mean, it's played
on Friday, so that that works because you got that
extra couple of days, you know, to rest up for
the next game. But and you know, and you think
about the Chargers, they go from Brazil playing the Chiefs
to the very next week they're playing the Raiders out
here on a Monday night. So a couple of really
big stages for the Chargers. It will be interesting to
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see how they help they handle that those first two games.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Bennie, how you see the NFC West as far as
the Rams go, I think the Rams are predicted to
finish second, not because the forty nine ers are better,
but because the forty nine ers have an easier schedule.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
What do you think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's I'm surprised by that, to be honest with you.
And I know that there's a lot of difference for
Kyle Shanahan and you know, and and brock Party and
and what the what the forty nine ers have historically done,
But I just think that they've they've lost a lot
of personnel, they're they're banged up, they've been hurt throughout
training camp, and to me, as long as and this
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is the big is. As long as Matthew Stafford stays healthy,
I don't see any reason why the Rams shouldn't win
that division. I think they've got the better personnel up
and down. I think their coach is just as good,
and I think their quarterback is is on their best
days and when healthy, I think their quarterback is better
than the forty nine ers quarterback and I think very
highly of brock Party. So to me, it'll come down
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to again, health, but specifically the health of Matthew Stafford.
He can't afford to miss any games and give the
forty nine ers a kind of an edge because he's
just unable to get on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Does that concern you at all, Benny, All this talk
about him and his back and what we don't know
because nobody plays in preseason anymore. Even if he was
completely healthy, he wouldn't play. But the fact that he
hasn't taken a hit and when he does, what that
reaction is going to be Because of all the teams,
I think most teams, especially the teams in the West,
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they cannot afford to not have Matthew Stafford. And that's
no disrespect to Jimmy g because I think he can
win two to three to four games for you, but
to compete the whole season, it's going to be difficult
for the Rams to do that without Stafford.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, there's no doubt. And you know it's not just
an injury of you know, if he gets hit, of
course that that that puts him in real Jeffreys Hoad.
It's on this offensive line. That's on Sean McVay to
really to really protect him because he can't afford for
that to happen. Why there's a breakdown and you know
he takes a beating back there and then on top
everything else, he's got the back issue. But it's also
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it's a back issue. And we know how those things
can work out. It's like you don't have to get
hit for that back to flare up. It's sometimes just
getting out of bed or taking the wrong step or
just you know how you slept that that particular night.
There's so much that that can can contribute to a
back just being an issue, not just getting hit. But
on top of that, he is going to get hit
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and it is a physical sport and whether he gets
sacked or you know, getting getting hit after a pass,
every time you almost you almost feel like you have
to hold your breath, and I guess it's going to
take you know, two or three straight games for Matthew
to kind of get through it before any of us
can really have a level of confidence and comfort level
that he's gonna be okay, because we don't know the
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extent of it. And this could be, as as Fred
said last week, hit away from being a real problem
or just getting out of the bed a wrong way
for it to be a problem.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Avan as we begin the season, coaches who could be
in trouble In other words, they got a win.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Who are they?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I keep talking. I think I think Shane stikeed
in in Indianapolis. You know the way they've handled the
quarterback situation, they you know, they rolled the Dice and
Anthony Richardson obviously that hasn't worked. Now is Daniel Jones,
And you know, it's a pretty good football team otherwise,
but they've just they just haven't had to handle the
quarterback situation very well. So if they get off to
(13:25):
a slow start, what's his future? I think Mike McDaniel
in Miami, there's some weird things coming out of coming
out of Miami and with the Dolphins and something just
doesn't feel right, and you know, I'm wondering if they
don't get off to a fast start, if he's in jeopardy.
Brian Davile with the New York Giants, I think they've
got a little bit of safety net because if it
(13:45):
does start going a little bit sideways, they can always
go to the young quarterback Jackson Dart and say, hey, look,
you know, we drafted our quarterback. It's going to take
some time, there's gonna be some growing pains, but we're
the right staff, you know, to get the best out
of him. And maybe that buys by by him sometime.
But to me, those would be the first two that
sort of jump out at me.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
What from a team standpoint, Vinnie, what team do you
think is going to surprise some people this year?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I wasn't gonna say Green Bay, but maybe that's not
a big surprise anymore. I think the Atlanta Falcons. I
like Michael Pennix a lot. I like the coaching staff
over there. I love the running back. You know they've
been Maheem's getting that defense kind of squared away, and
that's a division to me. That's that's that's out there
(14:32):
for the for the taken. You know, I think the
tay Buccaneers right now would have to be considered the favorites.
But but I like Michael PENNOCKX a lot, and I'm
really curious where he takes this in year two of
full season with him being the starter. Hopefully he stays healthy.
I was a big fan of his at the University
of Washington, So I think for me, the Atlanta Falcons
are a team to keep an eye on.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
All right, an ugly scene in Little League baseball. I've
never seen it.
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Apparently Vinnie has Rodney has I'm the only one that
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I don't think I could do that anymore, but I
did that all. I have never seen Vinnie saw it, Rodney,
you said you've seen it. I don't know if Kevin
or Ronnie has seen it.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I have seen it. Fred I saw it last night.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You saw a fight at a little Oh you saw
the video?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Oh in real life? I thought you were talking about
the video.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
No, I've never seen a Little League fight in my life.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I never have a I am probably the Little League
for years. I've never seen a fight, never seen an
umpire and apparent fight.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
At a little league game ever. Never.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But apparently Ronnie saw it on TV last night and
it happened. It happened in Rosemead recently. You've got eleven
and twelve year old kids. So those are Little League kids, right?
That would be the major division, right, the majors. Yeah,
not the miners. Okay, so they get the cool uniforms
and right, and the miners, you know, stepping it up.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, you step it up to the majors. You get
the cool uniforms. Usually you're dug out. It's a little
bit better, you know. Yeah, you get the cool stuff
going on in majors because that's that's the age where
it's all about the Lily World Series and the All Stars.
If you make it at eleven and twelve, you can
get their twelve year olds are the ones. So yeah,
that's the big time in most Little league parks. That
(18:09):
is the big time when you get to the majors.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Okay, Now, when I empired, by the way, and that's
when dinosaurs rolled the earth. But when I empired, you
didn't get paid your volunteers. Now they pay today because
they can't find any volunteers quite frankly. So then it
was it was a volunteer. Now you got a couple
of bucks normally. Normally and Rodney hit it earlier. I
mean sometimes you have people that have been doing it
(18:34):
for years. That's just what they do. They like to umpire,
They empire Little League Baseball. They could be in their
forties or fifties. They have done it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now in the smaller divisions, you usually get kids, they
could even be teenagers. Right. You give them like fifteen
bucks a game, and they're out there umpiring. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Now, the one thing I've always believed, and this is
just me, I've always believed this, if you're going to
do something, you need to try and do it well.
I've never been of the opinion that when an umpire
in youth sports completely kicks a call, that's okay, they're trying.
I don't buy that. Everybody's gonna miss calls. Everybody's gonna
(19:16):
miss stuff. It doesn't matter even in the pros. But
you gotta really be trying. The eye the volunteer that
doesn't work, I don't believe that. We're only paying him
fifteen bucks.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
He's still doing it, So do the best job you can,
all Right. In this particular game, one of the coaches
is giving it to the played umpire. I mean, he
thinks he's a weaver. Right, He's given it to him.
He's given him the business. He's given it to him.
He's given it to him. He's given it to him.
(19:49):
He comes out of the dugout and now he's going
to challenge him. He's got something to say to the guy.
By the way, you know, in Little League baseball, if
you take one step out of the dugout, out without
being acknowledged and waved in, you're rejected.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
When when the first base coach though, when did the
first base coach? I thought, well, he was coming from
the dugout, he was coming from over there. I thought
he was coming from first box. But go ahead, he's coming.
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
If you approach the umpire, if you approach the umpire,
he's got to acknowledge you. For if you come out
of the dugout, you're rejected. We're not even gonna have
a conversation. And what I used to do is they'd
come out, and if you come out without being acknowledged
or waved in, you're rejected. Call time, you're waved in
(20:38):
what I used to do, and you we tell him
before the game every time, if you come out of
the dugout without us acknowledging you, you're rejected. So one game,
here comes the here comes the manager out of the dugout.
We didn't even wave a minute, just came out and
he stood there and he talked to me. So now
he's standing there and I'm working to plate that game
(20:59):
and he's talking to me, and he's upset about something.
I don't even know what it was. I said, look,
you know the rule, right, If you come out here
and you're not acknowledged, you have to go. And he
stared at me. I said, but I'm not going to
do that to you because that would be embarrassing in
front of the whole crowd. I know you're trying to
make a point here, and I understand. So here, I'm
(21:21):
going to give you a break. He's come all the
way out of the dugout now, okay's at home plate.
I'm going to give you a break. If you can
get back to the dugout in one step, you can stay.
The guy came one hundred steps. If you can get
back in one step, you can stay. He goes, well
(21:43):
I can't. I went, you're right boom, I ran him
right there.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm so bad. It's so bad, Fred. You know what
I used to do, because I used to I manage
a little bit, uh at my little league, my kids
in the little league. I did my best Tomyla Sorda,
my best coach, Mike Gillespie at USC to your point,
you know, if they didn't acknowledge you, then you're not
allowed to come out of So I would go talk
(22:11):
to my picture, right, So I go talk to my picture,
and I just wait. I had my back to the plate,
and I'd wait for the umpire to come. And I
learned this from I'd wait for the umpire because they
gotta come. You're gonna come up there and break it up, right, Okay, coach,
it's enough. You know he's coming, and you can tell
(22:31):
when he's coming. And then you know, you start to hey,
it's not you, it's not you. That guy behind is
blind as a batman. I don't even know what he's
thinking about. He must be drunk or something to making
calls like that. I've never seen anything. And I would
just go off on and it did get thrown out
a couple of times, but it was my way of
(22:54):
avoiding not being because they didn't want me to come out,
and they knew I was coming out. They were like, no, no,
stay right there. You can't argue that. You can't do that.
I don't want to hear nothing about balls and strikes
or nothing like. I'm not talking about balls. I just
want to talk to you. Nope, nope, yeah, those guys,
but Gilesbie taught you that, Oh Gillespie was the best
at that. He would come out and talk to the picture.
(23:16):
We you know, the infielder I played third base, and
we would come in and he'd say, all right, guys,
this hold tight, hold tight. He wouldn't say anything, this
whole tight. And then the umpire would come and you go,
and it would be vulgar too. He would be it's
it and he would act like he didn't know the
umpires behind him, but he knew exactly the empire was
right there. This guy is calling the worst game I've
(23:38):
ever se. I don't even know how they let him
in college baseball making calls like that. He needs to
go back to being a scientists or whatever he did
before this, because he's horrible. He's horrible. My blind eighty
nine year old dad could call a better game than
this guy. I don't understand what he's doing. May he is,
and it would be with profanity mixed into the whole
thing as well, But he would look at the empire,
(23:59):
wouldn't look at him, wouldn't look at him. Sounds like
the umpire overheard him. Yes, okay, I overheard him, and
oh oh, oh, oh okay, come on, coach, break it up, coach,
bring it up, coach. He rarely got thrown out for
that though, which is which is amazing in itself. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So then he would go, you know, Gillespie would leave,
the umpire would turn his back, would you guys kind
of snicker?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Oh, we would loving it. We would loving it. It
was the best thing in the world. It was hard
to it was hard to finish out that any because
we were all just laughing, laughing at what he did.
And he was, yeah, he was. He was brilliant that way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So in this case, the coach comes out, he's talking
to the empire. You watch the video and from the reports,
you know, it's like a major league game. Now, he's
sticking his finger in his chest, right, he's right up
there in his face. I mean he he's made contact.
(24:58):
The umpire has enough. The umpire just says that's it
and starts throwing down. Basically, yeah, the umpires had it
and starts throwing down at him.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
With the first punch, the umpire hit him with the
first punch. Yeah. The umpire was a big guy. Yeah, Yeah,
hit him with the first punch and then tried to
karate kick, threw him down, threw him down, yeah, and
kicked him, tried to kick him. Yeah, that was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't know if the kick made contact, but he
he he let loose until everybody ran in, broke it up.
Sheriff's department came. Two guys were taken away.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's crazy because even people were witnessing that are commented
on that. On that story we're talking about. You know
there were things that were happening. You had to know
that it was building for a while. I'm sure it
had been between that coach and the umpire. Things had
to be building prior to that incident of why they
got into it like they did. But certainly the coach
(26:00):
comes up and puts his finger in the umpire's face.
It's just you're asking for it pretty much. Then it's
little league baseball. Yeah, it is little league baseball. It
ain't that deep.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I understand everybody wants to win, and don't kid yourself.
They do. Do not kid yourself. Don't think everybody's out
there as little owe would say, we're going to have fun. No,
that's not why they're there. That's not why they're They're
there to win. That's youth sports. You try to win
every time and parents get really upset. Oh, parents live
(26:36):
through the kids, right, that's that issue or that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Moment that they didn't win or they didn't have their
moment or want to relive their moment. They relive it
through the kids, and that's when the real problems start
to arise.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right, if you're managing a team, if you're coaching a team,
the reality is sometimes you're not going to get a
great official, be it basketball, be it baseball, in football,
they're going to miss calls.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It is frustrating because you expect them to get them
all right. They can't, they won't, but you expect that.
And then when you go to attack them, that's another problem.
I mean, that's an issue when you start attacking the officials.
If this coach hadn't given the umpire the business you get.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's one.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You always hear somebody out as long as I don't
embarrass it. You hear them out because at the end
of it, you hear them out. But then you say,
that's it, that's it. Go, I don't want to embarrass
you go back, that's it, let's go. If it continues,
you got to run them right away, they're gone. You
just don't put up with it. If not, you lose
(27:47):
control of the game, right, your job is to restore
and keep order in the game as an official. If
the game is played with order, you've done your job.
If you lose control of the game, now you have
a problem. Now there's an issue. So you just have
to keep order and control and be able to walk
off and nobody even knew you were there.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You've done a good job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You can't be yelling and sticking your finger in the
guy's face or his chest.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You can't do that. You just can't.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Conversely, if you're the umpire, you know you can't go
nuts on the guy start throwing down.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Certainly, you certainly can't. Yeah, you certainly can't get physical.
You can't throw throw the punches at the coach and
then who knows. I mean it's a little granular. But
the coach did have his finger in the face and
maybe he touched the umpire, maybe, you know, make contact,
and that was cause for the umpire said, okay, uh
you touch me. Now I'm about to touch you. But
(28:45):
I think the umpire said he was in fear of
his life. That's a stretch, given the umpire was probably
one hundred pounds heavier than the than the coach and
then threw the coach down like a rag doll dumpire,
saying it he was fearful of his life.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It may be a little stretch fed well, at that point,
you got to say something, right, you have to justify
what you did. I mean, I don't know what he
thought the coach was gonna do. And the coach had
never stuck his finger in his.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Face or anything like that. And you're done. You're out.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And the other thing is and the thing that's so
hard for parents to get, and it's unfair to the kids,
you know. If that continues, game's over. Turn around, go
back to the back out. One more word and the
game is over. Shut the whole game down. Now you're
Dolley ruined it for the kids. Right, we're gonna do it.
This is not right. Go back and sit down. If
(29:42):
you continue, the game is over, you've lost. You forfeited.
That's how it's going to be recorded. That should shut
him up, That should stop him. Go back and sit down,
that's how you handle it up. The drunk guy that
tried to throw me out of the game, but then
I got him thrown out.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The guy under the tree, he was the umpire right,
he was right. He was the umpire. He was drunk.
He was eating a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
The greasy cheeseburger was affecting his stomach, and he was
drinking beer out of a brown paper bag and it
had to be one hundred and ten degrees. And when
the game started, you wonder where the empire was. And
then you remember the guy you saw eating the cheeseburger
and drinking under the tree. He walks on the field,
he's on the feet up. This is the umpire. He
(30:38):
was working the bases. He called one of our guys out.
He was saved by ten feet ten feet.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
He wasn't even close. I don't even know what gear
I was watching. Was he the home playing umpire he
had the gear on? Maybe? Oh he was working a basis. Oh,
he was working the basis.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Wow, the guy, he was so safe. I mean, it
wasn't even a question. I mean the crowd went boo
of are you kidding me? And that's when I started
yelling at him, you're better than that, You're better than that.
And he looked at me and I went, you're better
than that. Then, because it was drunk, he threw me
(31:18):
out of the game. Then I wouldn't leave.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm not leaving. You're drunk.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'm not leaving. I'm gonna stand right here. Where did
he get the tournament director? Go get him, Go get
the tournament director right now, because I'm not leaving. Here
comes the tournament director.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because you didn't let on that you knew he was
drunk right at that point until the tournament director came there. No,
I told him he was drunk. I told him he drunk.
If he told him that, why would he want to
get the tournament director because they were just going to
find out anyway.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, apparently he didn't think he was drunk. So here
comes the tournament director. He walks out. He goes, man,
he threw you out of the game. He gotta go.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm going. I won't go. I said, go smell his breath.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
He's drunk. Go smell his breath. If you smell his
breath and you tell me he's not drunk, I'll leave.
But if he is drunk, I'm gonna stay right here.
The guy walks back to at me and he goes,
you can stay, And you see the empire leaving the field.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
He's drunk.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
I can just see you too. I'm not leaving. I'm
not leaving. I'm not leaving. I was very cleaning. That's
very I'm not I'm just not going go smell his breath.
If you can tell me that you don't smell alcohol
in his breath, I'll leave right now. Look, i'll start
walking that way, but if you smell alcohol, I'm staying.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And that's the next thing you saw. The guy was
umpire was leaving a field and a tournament director said,
we've never ejected an umpire before. I said, see, there's
the first time for Everything's a fir time for everything.
So here's the bottom line. Don't show up drunk an umpire.
(33:10):
Uh two o'clock. Bill Plunkett, Oh Seniors group joins us.
We'll talk some Dodgers when we come back. What's real
and what's hype?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
Robbie Pete, Fred Rogan on a Anything Goes Friday? Wow, Fred,
what about an incident with you and a as you
as the umpire. Did you ever you ever get throw
somebody out and they got mad at you threw one
guy out through one guy out? Last name was Laired.
(34:01):
Why do you know his last name?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Because I remember all too well. Uh, I remember all
too well. I'll just say you real fast. So he
he was the number one manager of this minor league team.
So it was the younger kids, right, And I was
(34:22):
umpiring when I was very young, so I was actually
still in the majors. I was like twelve, but these
are like the nine year old kids. So I was
doing their games. So I'm like twelve years old, and
this guy would not shut up. He would not stop.
It didn't matter. From the very beginning every game, whoever umpired,
(34:49):
he was.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
On him, just on him. It was on the unmerciful.
So he was on whoever umpired, he he was on him, right, Okay,
So I mean it was really hard. It was difficult
to even watch this.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So it was I don't know, was it a playoff
game in the minors, I'm not sure, but I mean
he was like the big bully.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And it didn't matter how old the umpire was. He
just oh and the yelling.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay, So it was a playoff game, so they sent
me in for the playoff game. Twelve year old, I'm
going into work the playoffs now. So I get in
there and I you know, I was a little kid,
but I still knew what umpire I was learning and
I'd do a good job. That's how I progressed through
the Little league system and did the regionals in the
(35:36):
World Series. So anyway, I'm working the game, Rodney. It's
the second inning, the second inning, and he started. These
games are six innings long, right second inning. He started,
and he's got like a twelve year old behind the plate,
and he started and I stood there and I listened
(35:58):
to him just a little bit, and then I called time,
and I this is a kid doing this to an adult.
I pointed at the dugout and I motioned for him
to come out, and he looked around, like what And
he came out and he stood about four feet from me,
(36:20):
and I said, I've had enough. I've had enough. I'd
better not hear one more word from you. That's what
I said. He goes, oh, you don't want to hear
one more word from me. I went, You're out of
the game. That was one more word, and he was stunned,
(36:40):
and the crowd was like nobody could speak because I
told him I don't want to hear one more word,
not one more Oh, you don't want to hear another word.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You're gone.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
That was a word, go, and he walked off. And
that's when I threw a guy out. Very nice, right,
you know, it's pretty simple. Hey, you're not supposed to
come out of here, but I'm gonna give you a break.
If you can get back within one step, I'm not
gonna throw you out on my hundred steps away. I
(37:11):
guess you're gone. See you got it, you gotta go.
It's pretty simple, no hard feelings, go.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
It is what it is. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It is what it is, all right, Kevin, Do we
have time to do this now? We're gonna do it
next hour.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Let's do it next hour.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Now, I don't want to keep Bill Plunkett waiting.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
All right, We've got Bill Plunkett coming up here. We'll
talk more about the Dodgers, then we'll get into expectations.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Next hour.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Dodgers back at it against Arizona. They start the night
with a two game lead over the Padres. Bill Plunkett
joins us next
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.