August 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Roggin and Rodney dicuss more on Mookie and the Dodgers with Jack Harris from the LA Times and then breaking Giannis news!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Come on now, welcome back. We continue on on a
beautiful Monday. Roddy, Pete, Fred Rogan, thank you, thank you
for those calls, including Felipe, who we didn't get to.
That is was on hold from twenty twenty three. Adam,
I just.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, I don't know what Fred is doing, like just
going off script. William in Hollywood was the winner of
the Dodgers tickets to tonight's game at Dodger Stadium against
the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
William in Hollywood, you are going to the Dodger game again.
It is tonight tonight, So get yourself in the car,
get ready to go because the game is tonight, Dodgers Cardinals.
Let's go, all right, So let's continue on with the
with the Dodgers because they are playing the Cardinals this week.
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They're back home for extended home stand after being on
the road for so long. Let's bring on our uh
our man, Jack Harris at the time, Jack, come on, on,
how you doing Jack?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Doing great?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
How are you doing well? Doing well? Jack? We were
kicking this around, and let's start with this about Mookie
Betts and his struggles. And you know we just played
a clip of Mookie talking about you know, he doesn't
know what's going on, and it's it's in God's hands. Now.
He's tried everything, he's take extra batting practice, he's done
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everything you could think about, but yet he's still struggling.
What do you think it is? And what do you
think he should do?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The what it is part kind of remains somewhat of
a mystery, I think obviously to both him and the Dodgers,
probably just a combination of a lot of different things.
I think if you look at you know, the fact
that he started the season behind the eight ball with
them at comach virus, he had adapt him of all
that weight, you layer on the fact that you know
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he is playing shortstop. And while I don't think that's
the inciting reason for his struggles, as he's pointed out,
like he played shortstop the first half the last year,
did really well. He started this year decent the first
couple of weeks while playing shortstop. It is just a
different workload. You know, He's even acknowledged this himself, like,
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you know, there's just a lot more he has to
do every day. So while it might not be directly
hurting the bat, I think at the same time, you know,
with how long this slump has gone on, probably fair
to wonder about what is it preventing him from from
finding a solution quicker to what's happening offensively, And then
I think, you know, at the core of it, it's
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also that this might be somebody who is going to
be thirty three at the end of the season, is
an undersized guy and has talked about how, you know,
even in his prime years he always had a small
margin for error with his swing that if anything was
ever a little bit off with his mechanics, you know,
he was just somebody who's prone to deeper slumps and
having a tougher time being productive when he's not lined up.
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So I think that a much better version of Mookie
Bets is still in there, one that he can tap
into before the end of this season. It's just that
a lot of the drills and mechanical tweaks and mental
cues that have worked to get him back on track
in the past aren't And that's something every player goes
through as they age and their body changes and things
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they've tried to do in the past don't work anymore.
And right now he's in this process of trying to
find something different, a new thought, a new tweak, a
new adjustment that can make him a more productive player.
It's just that the clock is ticking on him to
figure that out at this point. So the Dodgers need
him to be productive. They don't need an MVP caliber
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Mookie Bets to win a World Series, I don't think,
but they do need him to be better. He is
trying everything he can to this point, he hasn't found
the answers to it, and whether or not he can
do that over the final couple months here could have
big implications on how far this team goes this year.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
All right, good Jack, how about this? How about change
your locker? Somebody said last hour, how about sacrifice a chicken?
How if we go to those kinds of things. Maybe
it we're just overthinking this thing. Maybe we do something
you know, I don't know. Don't wash your socks for
two days, try that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
What do you think I mean? I I saw the
great Dave Batsey suggest an ovation at the stadium tonight
with him coming off an O for seventeen slump in
the last road trip. Trey Turner asked, I mean, I
think you know there's The Dodgers did try a version
of this by moving him into the leadoff spot a
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couple of weeks ago. Dave Roberts's hope then was that
it would just kind of get him in a different
mindset of like, Okay, I just need to get on base.
That didn't really work. He hit two five during his
short stint as the leadoff hitter. Him in sho hoot
Annie flip spots again yesterday where Mookie was hitting second.
I did think at the end of yesterday's game, the
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bat he had that led to the sack fly that
was a good sign. He was able to foul off pitches,
he was able to be competitive, and then he was
able to do something productive. And I think as you
look at this year, you know, it almost reminds me
of Cody Bellinger in twenty twenty one when he was
coming off the shoulder surgery, had just a terrible regular season,
but then got to the playoffs and just got in
kind of a compete mode mindset. He didn't have to
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worry about his regular season stats anymore. He was able
to just go out there and play and was pretty productive.
I think that, you know, that's something like that as
possible for Mookie bets this year where at some point,
you know he's going to be so worn down by
his regular season numbers that if he just can get
to a place of, look, the struggles I've had this
year don't matter. I just got to go up there
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and be competitive and be productive and do positive things
for the team. I think he's still very much capable
of that, and the Dodgers are counting on him to
be able to make impacts in those kind of way.
And then he also is a streaky guy, like if
he does figure things out, he could very easily have
a really big month in August or September or going
into October. So that's why they continue to bet on him.
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That's why they haven't dropped him down in the batting
order yet, although Dave Roberts has said that's the possibility,
and that's why they're going to keep kind of holding
out hope that for as bad as the season's going
to look on the whole, he can find something late
in the year here to kind of get back to
being more of a net positive player.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Jack, as you were talking about Mooki and his struggles,
and he has to come on it just it got
me to think about something we've been talking about all
season long. How you know the Dodger's coming off the
World Series. Yes, there's some World Series hangover. Everybody expecting
them to be lights out. The staff, the pitching staff,
what they did in the offseason was incredible, so they
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didn't have to do much at the trade deadline, all
those things. They have their reign of injuries, they guilt
through all of that, and here we are in early August,
and with all of that, they're still in first place.
Is that a good sign, bad sign? Or sign of
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the Dodgers haven't even played well and yet they're still
in first place.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It probably depends on the lens that you look at
it through, and the Dodgers view, it's a really good
sign that they know that they haven't played well, that
they know that they haven't had the pitching staff, especially
that they envisioned having, that they know that the lineup
has been way below par the last month plus now,
and that they do still have somewhat of a division lead,
and that they are still in position to be able
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to go out and have the top two seed in
the National League going into the playoffs. I mean that's
the optimistic way to look at this is that over
these last two months the rotation is going to be
a lot better than it has been at any point
this year. That Freddie Freeman's already turning it around, and
you don't expect Shoheo Tani to be as inconsistent as
he has been the rest of the year. And then
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you look at guys like tay Oscar Hernandez and Mookie Betts,
who have been batting barely two hundred for months on
end now as being somewhat better than that. At the
same time, though, I think especially with the offense, the
longer that you're kind of stuck in this rut, the
more concerning it becomes, especially in the wake of a
trade deadline where you didn't really do much. Kind of
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the same story in the bullpen. Now, they're banking on
the bullpen being good. They're banking on Blake Tryning and
Michael Kopek and Bruce Dargrat are all coming back and
being impact pitchers for them, which is why they didn't
do anything more drastic than getting Brock Stewart. But like
Tryning hasn't looked great and his first couple coming off
the il, which isn't a huge surprise given how much
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time he missed, but is still, you know, not a
soothing thing to have seen. Michael Kopek like trying and
pitched a lot of innings last postseason, had some arm
troubles this year, Like, that's just that's a little dicey.
Same with Bruce dar grad Are also, you know, it's
it's very possible that the optimistic view of this materializes
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and that the Dodgers kind of finally play up to
their potential down the stretch here and going into the playoffs.
But if they don't, you know, you're going to look
back at this month of July that they had and
if that proved to be more of an indicator of
things going wrong rather than an outlier month that they
could bounce back from. It's going to make some of
the inactivity at the deadline and just some of the
other ways they've tried to manage through the season I
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think look questionable in hindsight.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, but what do you do with the deadline given
this team? Honestly, and you just pointed everything out, Jack,
but are you going to, well, we better go on
and get a shortstop that can hit because we don't
think Moogie can hit. Do we really think that Tanner
Scott when he comes back, is going to be as
inconsistent as he has been given what they paid him
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for the number of years. I mean, I can't understand
why they did what they did. We just got to
get ourselves to where we're at because going into the
season it looked pretty good. These guys just haven't forgotten
how to play, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Jack, Yeah, And that's how the front office looked at
it too. You know, a lot of times front office
executives might lead you and the sort of stuff they
say ahead of a deadline, But this year, that was
the message from Andrew Friedman and Brandon Gomes was that, look,
we still think that this is as talented of a
group as we've had in our time here. We think
that these guys have established watermarks that they're going to
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play up to over a larger sample on the whole
this year. And we think that between the health, the
return to health we're getting from the pitching staff, and
just the fact that we don't think all of these
guys are going to struggle as much as they have recently,
that the lineup's going to be plenty good enough. I
think the alternate version of the deadline is you go
out and you get I think, especially just like that
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late game closer, you know, I think that's one area
where when you look at this Dodge your team, you
still have some questions, like exactly how is the ninth
inning going to look for them, you know, going into
a postseason environment if they do suffer more in injuries
from some of these guys who have been battling injuries
this year, Like do they have the depth in the bullpen,
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the high quality, reliable depth that can get them through
a whole month of October like last year's bullpen did.
But again, these are I think either way you looked
at it this deadline, it was hard to decide exactly
how aggressive they needed to be because you still have
so much faith and a lot of these established star
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level players to play better than they have for the
first four months. And I think when you couple that
with what were really high deadline prices, especially for like
at a position that the Dodgers needed, like in the bullpen,
and the fact that I think when they looked at
this year's team, they said, do any of those moves
really move the needle enough for us to give up
a top prospect. Like the answer there for them was no.
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But at the same time, it did just only lead
to marginal editions for which for a team that has struggled,
you know for the last month now, I think there's
other front offices or other people in that situation that
might have decided to be more aggressive. And time only
tell exactly, you know, if they handled that situation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right, Yeah, Dak do you think there's any anything to
a World Series fatigue? I mean also went to Tokyo
for a couple of weeks and before the season started
that it is a little bit of exhaustion rough for them.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It probably doesn't help. Like if you think back to
the last eighteen months now for this team, they've had
two international trips, they've had the Shoheio Tani media circus,
they had last year's run through the playoffs, they had
all of the pressure and expectation that surrounded what they
did this offseason coming into this year, and yeah, that
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stuff does kind of add up over time, especially if
you're going through stretches of a season and this year
where the pitching isn't healthy and guys are scuffling in
the lineup. At the same time, it's a veteran team.
A lot of these guys have won or competed in
World Series before and have to come back the next
year and try to mount championship campaigns again. So I
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think they're equipped to handle it. I think that, you know, again,
this is another thing I look at through the lens
of they are still in first place on the whole.
They're still doing okay this year, even though some things
aren't going right, And I think that to this point,
like by the time they get the end of this
season and into October, that they're going to have the
necessary juice and focus level and energy to go out
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and win another World Series or compete for one. But yeah,
you know, at different points of the year, especially when
they're struggling, I think it is easy to look at
that and say, are you seeing a little bit of
the cumulative told that this team has taken mentally and
physically with all they've done in the last season and
a half.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I do think it's remarkable. You said it earlier. I
just think it is remarkable that they're where they're at
the way this season has been because I'll tell you
any other team that has gone through what they have
gone through. Pitching injuries, guys struggling at the plate. What
are your best hitters? You know can't hit his hat size.
There's no way there in first place, there's no way.
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As a matter of fact, they're they're probably sellers at
the deadline, and the Dodgers are still sitting right there
without everybody firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually think it's remarkable, Jack, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And I think you know, that's what makes this season
so interesting is that you are seeing them have to
deal with a lot of the challenges we've seen defending
champions go through before. But on the whole, like you said,
they're still in a good position. They have a little
bit of a division lead to work with, and now
it comes down to, Okay, you've done well to get
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to this point despite the struggles and inconsistencies and everything
else that has played the start of the season. You've
gotten here in the position you wanted. But now is
the time where they also have to be able to
flip the switch a little bit and happ into that
higher level of play if they're gonna be able to
legitimately compete for another World Series.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
All right, well, Jack, thanks for the insight, Thanks for
jumping on. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, anytime, guys.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
All right, there's their buddy, Jack Harris of the times.
NFL camps are underway. The Chargers would like to have
somebody come back, and the Rams are concerned if somebody
will come back.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Also, we have news about the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Let's have Adam come on with that before we get
to those football stories.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Next, Rogan and Roddie on a Monday, August what is
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it August fourth?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Already? Man, come on, come on, Freddy, let's go DoD
he's in town this week. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, let's do it. Adam's been monitoring what's going on
around the NBA. Adam, you've got something on Giannis now right.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
This is something I've been looking at since basically the
star of the summer. Guys. I thought if there was
one big superstar who could be moved, and Kevin Durant
was yes, But I'm talking about a guy in his
prime right now. That would be Janness as in a Kompo.
And this came out earlier this morning on the Evil
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four letter from Sean Shaania.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
What's the latest?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Anything more there?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
As we sit here on August fourth. Sources tell me
there is nothing set in stone about whether Johnson did
Tokumpo wants to stay in Milwaukee or whether he wants
to leave elsewhere. He's been evaluating his future his entire offseason.
I reported way in mid May that he's open minded
about whether his best fit is in Milwaukee or is
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it a trade elsewhere. That process has been continuing. There's
been some real conversations he's having with his inner circle,
from my understanding, and the one big question that is
surrounding Johnison to too Coompo that's surrounding his camp is
can you win another championship? Is this Bucks roster built
for this upcoming season for twenty twenty six, twenty seven
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for him to win another championship his second championship. We
know how bad he wants to do that, and so
only Johnson Dukumpo can make that determination, and clearly he
wants to do it on his own time. I will
say this, there are multiple teams that I know of
that are literally waiting right now on what decision Johnson
into Dakompo makes, waiting to see does he actually hit
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the market. Training camps don't start till mid September.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So he doesn't name the teams that are watching the situation.
But I think this is real. And when we talked
about the Lakers and you guys mentioned it with Dan
Weiki a little bit earlier. Still having that first round
pick that originally was going to Mark Williams last season
before the trade was rescinded in Dalton, connect they still
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have assets. They still have enough to make one more move.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Ooh, Adam, you're putting it out there, huh.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And there's another guy that I think Milwaukee would be
interested in if they were gonna trade Giannis, and that's
Austin Reeves. Now we know Austin Reeves is gonna be
an unrestricted free agent or after this season. He actually
he might be a restricted free agent with the Lakers.
But they're gonna have to pay him thirty million dollars.
Do they want to do that? If Milwaukee's gonna make
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a trade and move Jannis, they're gonna want a young
player and first round picks. The Lakers have two first
round picks and they have Austin Reeves. The Clippers, meanwhile,
have two first round picks and they have a Visa Zubats.
They both could make some interesting trade packages for Jannis
than Akoupo, who does want to win. He is a dog.
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He does not guys. His first All Star Game, he
was out there like Sean Taylor, the late great Sean Taylor.
He didn't get the memo that you're not supposed to
play hard bow. Yeah, jannisna Koopo plays hard all the time,
no matter what level the game is at. He's different
and he does want to win again. Remember he brought
Milwaukee their first championship since Kareem over fifty years back
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in twenty twenty one, So I would not be shocked
if something could still happen. What's interesting, though, is remember
what Milwaukee did. They extended and used that stretch wave
provision on Dame Dalla. So they're gonna have twenty million
of dead cap money on their books over the next
five years to do. What to bring in Miles Turner
to try to appease you. Honis to stay with them,
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But I don't think he's at all, based on the
report here from Shansherania committed to staying to Milwaukee right now.
He's committed to winning more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, but you don't think he'd go before the sea.
You're not saying they would do it before the season,
or you are.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think it's real. I think it's It has the
potential to turn into that situation. Shams just said it.
Teams are watching this. This is why you hold on
to that flexibility for a star like this. When people
criticize the Lakers, ah, why didn't they go out and
make one more move? This is the type of stuff
you wait for somebody to get disgruntled. That's a superstar
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that becomes available out of nowhere. And I wouldn't say
this is out of nowhere, but as you just mentioned there, Freddie,
it's like, well, some people thought, oh, we're gonna wait
to see how the Bucks look early in the season.
If they're a middling team in the Eastern Conference, then
maybe he asks out. Maybe he doesn't wait till then.
Maybe he knows on paper they're just not gonna be
good enough. And I don't think they are honestly, truthfully,
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they might be top six in the Eastern Conference, but
they're not one of the top teams. They haven't done enough.
Miles Turner did not move me them getting him him.
They lost Brook Lopez guess where he went to The Clippers,
Old buddy brook Lopez. Would you like to reunite with him?
I'm just saying this is something you really have to
look at if you're a fan of NBA basketball here
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in Los Angeles especially.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Hmm, what do you think about that? Freddy? Huh? Okay,
So listen, let's let's let's gamble here, Adam. If if
it were one of the two, where would he end.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Up the Clippers if they can hold on to Kawhi,
James Harden and Bradley Beale. Now you're talking about losing
a Viza Zubats most likely to bring in your honest,
but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
What it's gonna move. We got to give to get.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You got to match up with the other team's deal,
and there could be a bidding war. I think the
Clippers are a little bit more enticing, But make no mistake,
if Joannis could play with Lebron and Luca, that's also
big for him. Him coming to the Western Conference. I
don't know what that would do to the East. They
might as well fold that thing up like this has
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happened so much with stars coming out West. But they're
not gonna send him with some other place in the
Eastern Conference. Milwaukee's not gonna want to have to deal
with him after this, so they're not gonna do him dirty.
While he doesn't have a no trade clause. What Yiannis
could do, guys is say these are the two teams
I'm interested in, and let them have a bidding war
and let Milwaukee get as much as they can for Yannis.
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So he does them a little bit of a favor
on the way out. They get a nice trade package
in return, but he also gets to go somewhere where
he can win realistically.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Right now, well he needs to if you really think
about it. And if that's the case, what are you
waiting for? I'm sure, Adam. I mean you can look
at the teams and go, yeah, I think they got
a shot or they don't.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Who better to understand if they've got a shot than
the guy and the team. Jannis knows that roster, and
he's got a pretty good sense of what they'll do.
It's you don't want to be in no man's land,
you don't want to be in the middle, right, you
don't want to win it?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Or so old is Giannis right now?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He's thirty he's thirty.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Boy, he feels older than that, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh, he's been around for a bit now, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
He feels like he's older than that, but still thirty.
You know, he won one, got that taste, so yeah,
he's thinking that I got to get another one at least.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, he's been saying basically, do you remember it a
few years back they were taking on the Lakers I
think it was, and he had a great game and
he pantomimed putting a crown on his head, basically saying,
I'm the king. Now I'm the best player in the league.
And you can make that argument, but he's got to
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be on a team that has a chance to actually
win it. He hasn't been for some time. He's good
enough to still be a number one option on a
championship team. He's still a top three player in this league.
He really hasn't had much drop off of anything. Last
seas and he expanded his game. He was hitting mid
range shots. He realizes his athleticism is going to a
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road as he gets older. He has to actually have
a shot out there. He showed it last season. I
think if Yannis is available, guys, this is huge news
because some thought it was put to bed this summer.
Some thought, oh Milwaukee figured it out, they did enough
to appease him. Doesn't sound like it today, doesn't sound
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like that from the report we just heard.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So when does somebody pull the trigger on this? That's
my question.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Here's what I think happens. Fred A team is gonna
come to Milwaukee and they're gonna make an offer, the
Godfather offer, and the Bucks front office is gonna look
at it and say, damn, that is something that's gonna
entice us. But they're not gonna do it unless Yannis
wants to go there. They're not gonna blind sidne him
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because he's a legacy guy. He brought them a championship.
They won't blindside him. They won't do him dirty. What
they'll do is they'll say that, yannest, we got this offer,
we like, how would you feel about going there?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Though?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And if he signs off on it, that's it. It's
a done deal.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
If you're a Milwaukee and I'm not in the front office,
I'm not you know, this would not be the Dodger
Way or even the Lakerway. But if you're in Milwaukee,
you said he's thirty years old, he brought you a championship.
Why wouldn't you go do all you can to get
him the pieces? And I know they you know, Dame.
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Thing didn't work. They had the pieces there, they they're
gone now. But why at thirty years old, where he's
got some more left in the tank, why wouldn't Milwaukee go, Okay,
we're gonna build this again around you. We're gonna make
this happen for you.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I agree with you. But as you mentioned, they tried.
They tried with Dame. He tears his achilles, and that
tandem never peaked as high as we thought it would. Anyways,
Dame was thirty two when he came over. He was
a little bit older. He was slowing down a little
little bit. And they had injury issues in the playoffs too,
And obviously it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Wasn't quite like they thought we were going to be right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
We thought that pick and roll would be unstoppable with
them too. But they gave up a ton of picks
to bring in Drew Holiday back in twenty twenty one,
which did get them over the top. They worked with
the New Orleans Pelicans, they won the championship. It was
all worth it f those picks. If it gets you
a championship, just like it did for the Rams a
few years back. They did it, but there's a price
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to pay, and now they're paying it. They don't have
a lot of assets left. That's why they had to
stretch Dame and have twenty million of dead cap money
on the books the next five years just so they
could get under the cap and bring in Miles Turner.
They've tried everything, but I think they're running out of
options and the only way to refill the cupboards. The
only way to fill back up the war chest is
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to now trade one of your superstars to bring in assets,
first round picks and young players, and that might be
the position they're in now.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
All right, we'll keep an eye on that, no question.
Roddick's some quick NFL Matthew Stafford go to see a
back specialist. To me, this might be a little more
than I don't really need to be out.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There that much. I don't want to got to soar back. Yeah,
I think it's a little more than that. What do
you think? Yeah, Look, we're still early, early in camp.
He hasn't yet to practice, hasn't practiced since the start.
You know, you would you would think that seeing all
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of the experts and back specialists and whoever you got
to see. If you're not ready to go to camp,
you see all those folks before camp to check it out.
The fact that he's seeing now going to a back
specialist two weeks into the camp, yeah, there's there's there's
I wouldn't say big concern, but there's certainly cause for concern.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We got to wait and see what this back specialist says.
But I would I would believe once they figured out
that he was not going to be able to to
start training camp, that they would do everything they could
to see whoever they needed to see to figure out
what was going on and get a timetable. Is when
he was coming back.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
That's the thing that threw me. He's not working out
because he's got a back problem. Well that he had
a back problem, right, not like okay, everybody reports on
Tuesday and he walked through the door and went, oh
my god, my back is killing me. He had a
problem before camp began. So what did that mean. Maybe
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it meant, well, it's not that bad. Let me just
get out here and work out a little bit out
that's killing me. That's the thing that's kind of throwing
me here. Did he have it before camp? Did he
tweak it a day or two into camp? Because at
first you think how much practice does.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He really need? Yeah, and he's not played. I don't
think since he's been here. I don't think he played
a preseason game because that's not the way Sean McVay
does things. He doesn't play as starters really, especially quarterbacks.
So I don't think he's played that. So that wasn't
gonna be a concern of him playing preseason games. But practice, Yeah,
you need the practice. But yeah, it's little. It's a
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little weird that we're into training camp now and he
is he he didn't go to a specialist, especially when
the reason he can't practice is his back. And like
you said, it wasn't like he walked through the door,
went through the first you know, fifteen minutes of drills
and go, oh my back. I got to stop and
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then go from there. They knew going in he wasn't
going to start this training camp, all right. The other
football story locally Keenan Allen, it's coming back, Fred, He's
coming back. He's coming back, Fred.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Well, that's a question. Charger players want them back. He's
not with Jim Harbaugh. You know, he was great when
he was with the Chargers. Everybody loved him. Yeah, yeah,
what do you think should they bring him back?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think here's the thing. I think they wouldn't even
be con if Justin Herbert didn't say yeah, I want
him back, because he was a comfort blanket for Justin Herbert.
He was that guy that was always going to be open.
He's going to be that guy that gets in your
vision as a quarterback. He's a guy that's always going
to run the right route. He's a guy that is
going to do the right thing and be where he
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is supposed to be. And as a quarterback, he loved
those guys. I don't care how old they are because
they know how to play football. And I guarantee you
if Justin Herbert has anything to do with it, or
any say or any pool, which I think he does,
Keithan Allen would be back with the Charges now. I mean,
I don't know what keenness thinking about money wise. I
know his big contract days are behind him, but if
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he's okay with it, I know I know they would
love to have him back. When you were playing, who
was your guy ooh. I remember we brought in Irving
Friar in Philadelphia and he was older, but Irving knew
how to run routes, he knew where he was going
to be. He understood the nuances of football and just
new defenses. So we were you know, certain people you
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get paid with and because they see the field the
way you see the field. You know, for Matthew Stafford,
I know, he crazy when he got and started working
with Cooper Cup He's like, oh, wait a minute, this
guy sees what I see. Okay, so he's gonna be
my go to And you have those guys and I do.
I remember Ery Fryar coming to Philly after my first
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year there, and then my second year they brought him in.
I was like, oh, this guy gets it. He gets
it even though he's thirty three or whatever he was
when he when he came there, Like yeah, yeah, I
can work with him. So those guys do make a difference.
Oh yeah, big time, because you know, not only do
they you know where they're gonna be and they can
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win for you. And I'm on top of that, you
feel comfortable in those fifty to fifty situations throwing it
to him. You know certain guys. You know, it's the
one time where the guy doesn't go all out and
your ball gets intercepted, or he stops running and the
ball gets intercepted, or it's a jump ball and he
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doesn't really jump for it and it gets intercepted. That
never leaves your mind as a quarterback. He's like, Okay,
if it's even in fifty to fifty situation, I'm not
throwing to him. But other guys, you know, no matter what,
if they don't catch it, nobody's catching it. They're gonna
make sure it's not intercepted. Then you feel comfortable throwing
into those guys. So yeah, it definitely matters. Definitely matters
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with those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So when you were going through your progressions, you're back,
you're looking, there's that guy. But that guy's not the
fifty to fifty guy. That's the guy that might not
jump quite as high. Yeah, I gotta see him out
of the corner of your eye. You think I got
a chance. I gotta get off, gotta make something happen now.
But you go over here to somebody else, yeah, or
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start or you start scrambling and go, okay, I gotta
make something different. Happen scramble because that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Guy's open, Right, that's the guy that's open. You don't
want to throw the ball. Well, it's not necessarily he's
not open. Because he's open, you're gonna throw it to him.
He wouldn't be on the field throw it to him
if he's open. But if it's close, is what I'm saying.
If it's close, if it's like he's kind of covered,
is he not covered, it's a chance. I got to
put it in a tight window for him to catch it.
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It's like things got to be perfect for that guy
for him to catch it. Then no, you're gonna go
against that judgment, Go no, Now, I'd rather move around
and see what I can make happen. Uh in that
situation as oppose that, if at the guy you trust,
you're like, at the very least, I know it's not
gonna get intercepted, So I can take a chance on
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this guy. And with the car guys hundred percent, and
they will question. They were like, well, you know he's
got a step on him, he's got you know, he's
got a couple of steps on why when you why
did you throw it to him? And now it's different
if he's like the first read and the thing, and
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you like, okay, the play is designed to go to him,
and he's got a couple of steps, you give it
to him. But if it is he's the second or
third read, and they go, why didn't you throw it
to him? Then you do? You revert back. He's like,
remember when we played Baltimore and I did that and
ball got intercepted. I never forgot that. I never forgot that.
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So I'm not throwing it to him. If it's tight,
if it's close, if he's if he's somewhat covered, I'm
not giving him the ball. I never forgot that.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
And when you say that to the coach, what do
they say back to you, Rodney, that was a one
off and you gotta throw them the ball or.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I get it. I get it. It's a trust thing.
You gotta trust him, And so they let they let
the receiver coach know that, lets that guy know that, Hey,
you got to build back that trust without saying anything.
Oh so that's how they do it. Oh yeah, because
the coordinator, a quarterback coach will end a meeting with
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the receivers or the coaching staff will tell the receiver
coach because they'll have a conversation why didn't he throw
it in that moment, And the quarterback will say, well,
you know, because when you play Baltimore, ball got tipped
away once and then it got to intercepted one time.
So he's not comfortable throwing it to him in a
fifty fifty situation. So he's got to build back that trust.
You got to go make some plays for him so
and get that confidence back. So that receiver. Coach will
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go tell that player it's like, yeah, you got to
You gotta make up for those couple of times that
he tried to give you a chance and you didn't
make it. Do they ever have that conversation with you
the other player? Oh yeah, yeah they do. They come
back sometimes hey I was open, or you're sitting there
watching films like, oh yeah, I was open. He's like yeah,
And sometimes you're you're honest. You gotta be honest with him.
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It's like I need I need you to win, I
need you to win better, I need I need a
better separation. You know, I'm gonna give you a chance,
and you try to encourage him. You just say, yeah,
all right, next time in that situation, I'm gonna give
you a chance. I'm gonna give you a chance in
that next situation, and you try to, you try to.
I mean, they're on the field for reasons, so you
try to give him a chance, and you want to
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build their confidence up. But there's only so many chances
you can get in.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Okay, And we will come back and wrap today's program
up after this.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh yeah, down a home stretch riding Pete fred Rogan,
come on, Freddie, come on.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
All right, So Dodgers back home after that road trip
we mentioned it earlier. Yeah, they came up more than
they were down. But at times it didn't look that way.
It didn't look smooth. It didn't look I don't want
to say easy, but it didn't look easy. It looks
like they got through it. Now you can't playing because
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they won more than they lost. Now they're back for
the home stands, starting tonight against Saint Louis Tyler Glass
now for the Dodgers and Sunny Gray for the Cardinals.
It just as you watch this, you just are wondering
because Blake snow pitched over the weekend. Glass now again tonight,
when are they gonna seem right? They still don't seem right.
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We talked about Mookie struggles. He certainly doesn't. But overall,
they just they seem a little off. And you gotta wonder,
because they still are in first place, at what point
are they not gonna seem off?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know what I mean? Rodney, Yeah, I'm trying to
think even as things get blurred over the years, because
the Dodgers have been in the mix for as long
as we can remember, for as long as we've been
doing this show together, Fred, Dodgers have been right in
the conversation. Yep. So I'm thinking about the last year.
Was there a stretch last year where they struggled like
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this or struggled or went to a real team kind
of slump on their way to win in the World Series? Yo?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, there was a time where they struggled last year,
But then when they didn't, they didn't look like they
do now when they're allegedly not. I mean, if you
think about what they just did on the road, that's
not a team that's struggling. They had a good road trip.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
No, At the end of the day, Yeah, when you
don't if you didn't watch the games, right, if you
didn't watch them and you just looked at Okay, how
do they do on the road trip? You go, oh, okay,
it's good. But if you watch them, you're like, hmm,
that didn't They snuck out of there with a win.
They snuck out of there with a series win.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
And it's different than last year when they were they
had to fight truth and nail against San Diego. It's
different now it's they're not even doing that. It's kind
of like, okay, we won.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
There's just no nothing that has stood out except the
factor in first place, which is great.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And maybe I don't know if if it gets closer
to the playoffs, but last year you felt like, Okay,
when they need to have it, when they need to
get it, they can't be beat. They're gonna win. Even
when they were down the San Diego in that series,
you're like, they'll come back and win this. They're too
good and and they know how to play right now.
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You know, if the playoffs started today, you would be
concerned if they can win a series and that and
there it is. They just don't seem right.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
They're winning, they've had a nice road trip, but they're
just like off, just not firing on all cylinders, and
you just wonder when that's gonna happen. I don't know,
maybe when Mookie hits.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Maybe maybe maybe when the pitching staff gets all the
kind of en sync and they're going and they've had
you know, all five of them have had multiple starts now,
you know, and they're kind of working together as a
starting staff. Because I tell you one guy, he's got
to go in as Yamamoto. Yamamoto looked good. Yeah, he
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did stuff working, he really did. Dave.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Couldn't let him go one more one more batter for
a quality start. Couldn't let him go five and two thirds.
All he needed was one more batter, Dave. I don't
know why he had to go out and get him.
And if you play fantasy baseball, you know what I'm
talking about. There you go, because at the end of
the day, it really is all about me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Of course, in your fantasy league, that's exactly right, all right,
Rodnick John, Are you one of those leagues with a
bunch of people, crazy people.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, yeah, we got the Big Family League. There's twelve
teams in that. We've had it for years. Then I'm
in a couple of Yahoo leagues. Okay, do you guys
talk smack the Family talks smack with each other all
the time. Oh, there's a big group text all the time,
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and it gets ugly. Haley beat me yesterday. I couldn't
believe it. Haley beat me by one point. I thought
it was over. I went to eat dinner. I came back.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
She won. Her mother called her. She goes, yeah, I
just really wanted to beat dad. What are you trying
to say, Like, I couldn't believe it, Like she never
beat you before. Oh? No.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
The point is I looked at it. There were and
she had two players left in the four o'clock games,
and I got this. She needs two stolen bases to
beat me. You close your eyes and it was over,
and you're like, okay, I'm going to dinner. I woke
up in the morning thought i'd won. I looked I lost.
I couldn't believe it. She got two stolen bases. It's cutthroat,
that's toughly. I'm coming there. If you're weak, you're gonna
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get it. Everybody's in it running. Good job, Adam, thank
you for filling it for Kevin.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Great work. I appreciates you. Guys. Tomorrow it's your mom. Yep.
Come on now, welcome back. We continue on on a
beautiful Monday. Roddy, Pete, Fred Rogan, thank you, thank you
for those calls, including Felipe, who we didn't get to.
That is was on hold from twenty twenty three. Adam,
I just.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, I don't know what Fred is doing, like just
going off script. William in Hollywood was the winner of
the Dodgers tickets to tonight's game at Dodger Stadium against
the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
William in Hollywood, you are going to the Dodger game again.
It is tonight tonight, So get yourself in the car,
get ready to go because the game is tonight, Dodgers Cardinals.
Let's go, all right, So let's continue on with the
with the Dodgers because they are playing the Cardinals this week.
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They're back home for extended home stand after being on
the road for so long. Let's bring on our uh
our man, Jack Harris at the time, Jack, come on, on,
how you doing Jack?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Doing great?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
How are you doing well? Doing well? Jack? We were
kicking this around, and let's start with this about Mookie
Betts and his struggles. And you know we just played
a clip of Mookie talking about you know, he doesn't
know what's going on, and it's it's in God's hands. Now.
He's tried everything, he's take extra batting practice, he's done
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everything you could think about, but yet he's still struggling.
What do you think it is? And what do you
think he should do?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The what it is part kind of remains somewhat of
a mystery, I think obviously to both him and the Dodgers,
probably just a combination of a lot of different things.
I think if you look at you know, the fact
that he started the season behind the eight ball with
them at comach virus, he had adapt him of all
that weight, you layer on the fact that you know
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he is playing shortstop. And while I don't think that's
the inciting reason for his struggles, as he's pointed out,
like he played shortstop the first half the last year,
did really well. He started this year decent the first
couple of weeks while playing shortstop. It is just a
different workload. You know, He's even acknowledged this himself, like,
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you know, there's just a lot more he has to
do every day. So while it might not be directly
hurting the bat, I think at the same time, you know,
with how long this slump has gone on, probably fair
to wonder about what is it preventing him from from
finding a solution quicker to what's happening offensively, And then
I think, you know, at the core of it, it's
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also that this might be somebody who is going to
be thirty three at the end of the season, is
an undersized guy and has talked about how, you know,
even in his prime years he always had a small
margin for error with his swing that if anything was
ever a little bit off with his mechanics, you know,
he was just somebody who's prone to deeper slumps and
having a tougher time being productive when he's not lined up.
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So I think that a much better version of Mookie
Bets is still in there, one that he can tap
into before the end of this season. It's just that
a lot of the drills and mechanical tweaks and mental
cues that have worked to get him back on track
in the past aren't And that's something every player goes
through as they age and their body changes and things
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they've tried to do in the past don't work anymore.
And right now he's in this process of trying to
find something different, a new thought, a new tweak, a
new adjustment that can make him a more productive player.
It's just that the clock is ticking on him to
figure that out at this point. So the Dodgers need
him to be productive. They don't need an MVP caliber
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Mookie Bets to win a World Series, I don't think,
but they do need him to be better. He is
trying everything he can to this point, he hasn't found
the answers to it, and whether or not he can
do that over the final couple months here could have
big implications on how far this team goes this year.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
All right, good Jack, how about this? How about change
your locker? Somebody said last hour, how about sacrifice a chicken?
How if we go to those kinds of things. Maybe
it we're just overthinking this thing. Maybe we do something
you know, I don't know. Don't wash your socks for
two days, try that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
What do you think I mean? I I saw the
great Dave Batsey suggest an ovation at the stadium tonight
with him coming off an O for seventeen slump in
the last road trip. Trey Turner asked, I mean, I
think you know there's The Dodgers did try a version
of this by moving him into the leadoff spot a
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couple of weeks ago. Dave Roberts's hope then was that
it would just kind of get him in a different
mindset of like, Okay, I just need to get on base.
That didn't really work. He hit two five during his
short stint as the leadoff hitter. Him in sho hoot
Annie flip spots again yesterday where Mookie was hitting second.
I did think at the end of yesterday's game, the
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bat he had that led to the sack fly that
was a good sign. He was able to foul off pitches,
he was able to be competitive, and then he was
able to do something productive. And I think as you
look at this year, you know, it almost reminds me
of Cody Bellinger in twenty twenty one when he was
coming off the shoulder surgery, had just a terrible regular season,
but then got to the playoffs and just got in
kind of a compete mode mindset. He didn't have to
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worry about his regular season stats anymore. He was able
to just go out there and play and was pretty productive.
I think that, you know, that's something like that as
possible for Mookie bets this year where at some point,
you know he's going to be so worn down by
his regular season numbers that if he just can get
to a place of, look, the struggles I've had this
year don't matter. I just got to go up there
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and be competitive and be productive and do positive things
for the team. I think he's still very much capable
of that, and the Dodgers are counting on him to
be able to make impacts in those kind of way.
And then he also is a streaky guy, like if
he does figure things out, he could very easily have
a really big month in August or September or going
into October. So that's why they continue to bet on him.
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That's why they haven't dropped him down in the batting
order yet, although Dave Roberts has said that's the possibility,
and that's why they're going to keep kind of holding
out hope that for as bad as the season's going
to look on the whole, he can find something late
in the year here to kind of get back to
being more of a net positive player.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Jack, as you were talking about Mooki and his struggles,
and he has to come on it just it got
me to think about something we've been talking about all
season long. How you know the Dodger's coming off the
World Series. Yes, there's some World Series hangover. Everybody expecting
them to be lights out. The staff, the pitching staff,
what they did in the offseason was incredible, so they
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didn't have to do much at the trade deadline, all
those things. They have their reign of injuries, they guilt
through all of that, and here we are in early August,
and with all of that, they're still in first place.
Is that a good sign, bad sign? Or sign of
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the Dodgers haven't even played well and yet they're still
in first place.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It probably depends on the lens that you look at
it through, and the Dodgers view, it's a really good
sign that they know that they haven't played well, that
they know that they haven't had the pitching staff, especially
that they envisioned having, that they know that the lineup
has been way below par the last month plus now,
and that they do still have somewhat of a division lead,
and that they are still in position to be able
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to go out and have the top two seed in
the National League going into the playoffs. I mean that's
the optimistic way to look at this is that over
these last two months the rotation is going to be
a lot better than it has been at any point
this year. That Freddie Freeman's already turning it around, and
you don't expect Shoheo Tani to be as inconsistent as
he has been the rest of the year. And then
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you look at guys like tay Oscar Hernandez and Mookie Betts,
who have been batting barely two hundred for months on
end now as being somewhat better than that. At the
same time, though, I think especially with the offense, the
longer that you're kind of stuck in this rut, the
more concerning it becomes, especially in the wake of a
trade deadline where you didn't really do much. Kind of
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the same story in the bullpen. Now, they're banking on
the bullpen being good. They're banking on Blake Tryning and
Michael Kopek and Bruce Dargrat are all coming back and
being impact pitchers for them, which is why they didn't
do anything more drastic than getting Brock Stewart. But like
Tryning hasn't looked great and his first couple coming off
the il, which isn't a huge surprise given how much
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time he missed, but is still, you know, not a
soothing thing to have seen. Michael Kopek like trying and
pitched a lot of innings last postseason, had some arm
troubles this year, Like, that's just that's a little dicey.
Same with Bruce dar grad Are also, you know, it's
it's very possible that the optimistic view of this materializes
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and that the Dodgers kind of finally play up to
their potential down the stretch here and going into the playoffs.
But if they don't, you know, you're going to look
back at this month of July that they had and
if that proved to be more of an indicator of
things going wrong rather than an outlier month that they
could bounce back from. It's going to make some of
the inactivity at the deadline and just some of the
other ways they've tried to manage through the season I
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think look questionable in hindsight.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, but what do you do with the deadline given
this team? Honestly, and you just pointed everything out, Jack,
but are you going to, well, we better go on
and get a shortstop that can hit because we don't
think Moogie can hit. Do we really think that Tanner
Scott when he comes back, is going to be as
inconsistent as he has been given what they paid him
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for the number of years. I mean, I can't understand
why they did what they did. We just got to
get ourselves to where we're at because going into the
season it looked pretty good. These guys just haven't forgotten
how to play, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Jack, Yeah, And that's how the front office looked at
it too. You know, a lot of times front office
executives might lead you and the sort of stuff they
say ahead of a deadline, But this year, that was
the message from Andrew Friedman and Brandon Gomes was that, look,
we still think that this is as talented of a
group as we've had in our time here. We think
that these guys have established watermarks that they're going to
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play up to over a larger sample on the whole
this year. And we think that between the health, the
return to health we're getting from the pitching staff, and
just the fact that we don't think all of these
guys are going to struggle as much as they have recently,
that the lineup's going to be plenty good enough. I
think the alternate version of the deadline is you go
out and you get I think, especially just like that
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late game closer, you know, I think that's one area
where when you look at this Dodge your team, you
still have some questions, like exactly how is the ninth
inning going to look for them, you know, going into
a postseason environment if they do suffer more in injuries
from some of these guys who have been battling injuries
this year, Like do they have the depth in the bullpen,
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the high quality, reliable depth that can get them through
a whole month of October like last year's bullpen did.
But again, these are I think either way you looked
at it this deadline, it was hard to decide exactly
how aggressive they needed to be because you still have
so much faith and a lot of these established star
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level players to play better than they have for the
first four months. And I think when you couple that
with what were really high deadline prices, especially for like
at a position that the Dodgers needed, like in the bullpen,
and the fact that I think when they looked at
this year's team, they said, do any of those moves
really move the needle enough for us to give up
a top prospect. Like the answer there for them was no.
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But at the same time, it did just only lead
to marginal editions for which for a team that has struggled,
you know for the last month now, I think there's
other front offices or other people in that situation that
might have decided to be more aggressive. And time only
tell exactly, you know, if they handled that situation.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right, Yeah, Dak do you think there's any anything to
a World Series fatigue? I mean also went to Tokyo
for a couple of weeks and before the season started
that it is a little bit of exhaustion rough for them.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It probably doesn't help. Like if you think back to
the last eighteen months now for this team, they've had
two international trips, they've had the Shoheio Tani media circus,
they had last year's run through the playoffs, they had
all of the pressure and expectation that surrounded what they
did this offseason coming into this year, and yeah, that
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stuff does kind of add up over time, especially if
you're going through stretches of a season and this year
where the pitching isn't healthy and guys are scuffling in
the lineup. At the same time, it's a veteran team.
A lot of these guys have won or competed in
World Series before and have to come back the next
year and try to mount championship campaigns again. So I
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think they're equipped to handle it. I think that, you know, again,
this is another thing I look at through the lens
of they are still in first place on the whole.
They're still doing okay this year, even though some things
aren't going right, And I think that to this point,
like by the time they get the end of this
season and into October, that they're going to have the
necessary juice and focus level and energy to go out
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and win another World Series or compete for one. But yeah,
you know, at different points of the year, especially when
they're struggling, I think it is easy to look at
that and say, are you seeing a little bit of
the cumulative told that this team has taken mentally and
physically with all they've done in the last season and
a half.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I do think it's remarkable. You said it earlier. I
just think it is remarkable that they're where they're at
the way this season has been because I'll tell you
any other team that has gone through what they have
gone through. Pitching injuries, guys struggling at the plate. What
are your best hitters? You know can't hit his hat size.
There's no way there in first place, there's no way.
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As a matter of fact, they're they're probably sellers at
the deadline, and the Dodgers are still sitting right there
without everybody firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually think it's remarkable, Jack, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
And I think you know, that's what makes this season
so interesting is that you are seeing them have to
deal with a lot of the challenges we've seen defending
champions go through before. But on the whole, like you said,
they're still in a good position. They have a little
bit of a division lead to work with, and now
it comes down to, Okay, you've done well to get
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to this point despite the struggles and inconsistencies and everything
else that has played the start of the season. You've
gotten here in the position you wanted. But now is
the time where they also have to be able to
flip the switch a little bit and happ into that
higher level of play if they're gonna be able to
legitimately compete for another World Series.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
All right, well, Jack, thanks for the insight, Thanks for
jumping on. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, anytime, guys.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
All right, there's their buddy, Jack Harris of the times.
NFL camps are underway. The Chargers would like to have
somebody come back, and the Rams are concerned if somebody
will come back.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Also, we have news about the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Let's have Adam come on with that before we get
to those football stories.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Next, Rogan and Roddie on a Monday, August what is
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it August fourth?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Already? Man, come on, come on, Freddy, let's go DoD
he's in town this week. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, let's do it. Adam's been monitoring what's going on
around the NBA. Adam, you've got something on Giannis now right.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
This is something I've been looking at since basically the
star of the summer. Guys. I thought if there was
one big superstar who could be moved, and Kevin Durant
was yes, But I'm talking about a guy in his
prime right now. That would be Janness as in a Kompo.
And this came out earlier this morning on the Evil
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four letter from Sean Shaania.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
What's the latest?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Anything more there?
Speaker 6 (16:44):
As we sit here on August fourth. Sources tell me
there is nothing set in stone about whether Johnson did
Tokumpo wants to stay in Milwaukee or whether he wants
to leave elsewhere. He's been evaluating his future his entire offseason.
I reported way in mid May that he's open minded
about whether his best fit is in Milwaukee or is
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it a trade elsewhere. That process has been continuing. There's
been some real conversations he's having with his inner circle,
from my understanding, and the one big question that is
surrounding Johnison to too Coompo that's surrounding his camp is
can you win another championship? Is this Bucks roster built
for this upcoming season for twenty twenty six, twenty seven
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for him to win another championship his second championship. We
know how bad he wants to do that, and so
only Johnson Dukumpo can make that determination, and clearly he
wants to do it on his own time. I will
say this, there are multiple teams that I know of
that are literally waiting right now on what decision Johnson
into Dakompo makes, waiting to see does he actually hit
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the market. Training camps don't start till mid September.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So he doesn't name the teams that are watching the situation.
But I think this is real. And when we talked
about the Lakers and you guys mentioned it with Dan
Weiki a little bit earlier. Still having that first round
pick that originally was going to Mark Williams last season
before the trade was rescinded in Dalton, connect they still
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have assets. They still have enough to make one more move.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Ooh, Adam, you're putting it out there, huh.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And there's another guy that I think Milwaukee would be
interested in if they were gonna trade Giannis, and that's
Austin Reeves. Now we know Austin Reeves is gonna be
an unrestricted free agent or after this season. He actually
he might be a restricted free agent with the Lakers.
But they're gonna have to pay him thirty million dollars.
Do they want to do that? If Milwaukee's gonna make
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a trade and move Jannis, they're gonna want a young
player and first round picks. The Lakers have two first
round picks and they have Austin Reeves. The Clippers, meanwhile,
have two first round picks and they have a Visa Zubats.
They both could make some interesting trade packages for Jannis
than Akoupo, who does want to win. He is a dog.
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He does not guys. His first All Star Game, he
was out there like Sean Taylor, the late great Sean Taylor.
He didn't get the memo that you're not supposed to
play hard bow. Yeah, jannisna Koopo plays hard all the time,
no matter what level the game is at. He's different
and he does want to win again. Remember he brought
Milwaukee their first championship since Kareem over fifty years back
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in twenty twenty one, So I would not be shocked
if something could still happen. What's interesting, though, is remember
what Milwaukee did. They extended and used that stretch wave
provision on Dame Dalla. So they're gonna have twenty million
of dead cap money on their books over the next
five years to do. What to bring in Miles Turner
to try to appease you. Honis to stay with them,
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But I don't think he's at all, based on the
report here from Shansherania committed to staying to Milwaukee right now.
He's committed to winning more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, but you don't think he'd go before the sea.
You're not saying they would do it before the season,
or you are.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think it's real. I think it's It has the
potential to turn into that situation. Shams just said it.
Teams are watching this. This is why you hold on
to that flexibility for a star like this. When people
criticize the Lakers, ah, why didn't they go out and
make one more move? This is the type of stuff
you wait for somebody to get disgruntled. That's a superstar
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that becomes available out of nowhere. And I wouldn't say
this is out of nowhere, but as you just mentioned there, Freddie,
it's like, well, some people thought, oh, we're gonna wait
to see how the Bucks look early in the season.
If they're a middling team in the Eastern Conference, then
maybe he asks out. Maybe he doesn't wait till then.
Maybe he knows on paper they're just not gonna be
good enough. And I don't think they are honestly, truthfully,
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they might be top six in the Eastern Conference, but
they're not one of the top teams. They haven't done enough.
Miles Turner did not move me them getting him him.
They lost Brook Lopez guess where he went to The Clippers,
Old buddy brook Lopez. Would you like to reunite with him?
I'm just saying this is something you really have to
look at if you're a fan of NBA basketball here
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in Los Angeles especially.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Hmm, what do you think about that? Freddy? Huh? Okay,
So listen, let's let's let's gamble here, Adam. If if
it were one of the two, where would he end.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Up the Clippers if they can hold on to Kawhi,
James Harden and Bradley Beale. Now you're talking about losing
a Viza Zubats most likely to bring in your honest,
but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
What it's gonna move. We got to give to get.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You got to match up with the other team's deal,
and there could be a bidding war. I think the
Clippers are a little bit more enticing, But make no mistake,
if Joannis could play with Lebron and Luca, that's also
big for him. Him coming to the Western Conference. I
don't know what that would do to the East. They
might as well fold that thing up like this has
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happened so much with stars coming out West. But they're
not gonna send him with some other place in the
Eastern Conference. Milwaukee's not gonna want to have to deal
with him after this, so they're not gonna do him dirty.
While he doesn't have a no trade clause. What Yiannis
could do, guys is say these are the two teams
I'm interested in, and let them have a bidding war
and let Milwaukee get as much as they can for Yannis.
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So he does them a little bit of a favor
on the way out. They get a nice trade package
in return, but he also gets to go somewhere where
he can win realistically.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Right now, well he needs to if you really think
about it. And if that's the case, what are you
waiting for? I'm sure, Adam. I mean you can look
at the teams and go, yeah, I think they got
a shot or they don't.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Who better to understand if they've got a shot than
the guy and the team. Jannis knows that roster, and
he's got a pretty good sense of what they'll do.
It's you don't want to be in no man's land,
you don't want to be in the middle, right, you
don't want to win it?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Or so old is Giannis right now?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He's thirty he's thirty.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Boy, he feels older than that, doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh, he's been around for a bit now, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
He feels like he's older than that, but still thirty.
You know, he won one, got that taste, so yeah,
he's thinking that I got to get another one at least.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, he's been saying basically, do you remember it a
few years back they were taking on the Lakers I
think it was, and he had a great game and
he pantomimed putting a crown on his head, basically saying,
I'm the king. Now I'm the best player in the league.
And you can make that argument, but he's got to
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be on a team that has a chance to actually
win it. He hasn't been for some time. He's good
enough to still be a number one option on a
championship team. He's still a top three player in this league.
He really hasn't had much drop off of anything. Last
seas and he expanded his game. He was hitting mid
range shots. He realizes his athleticism is going to a
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road as he gets older. He has to actually have
a shot out there. He showed it last season. I
think if Yannis is available, guys, this is huge news
because some thought it was put to bed this summer.
Some thought, oh Milwaukee figured it out, they did enough
to appease him. Doesn't sound like it today, doesn't sound
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like that from the report we just heard.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So when does somebody pull the trigger on this? That's
my question.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Here's what I think happens. Fred A team is gonna
come to Milwaukee and they're gonna make an offer, the
Godfather offer, and the Bucks front office is gonna look
at it and say, damn, that is something that's gonna
entice us. But they're not gonna do it unless Yannis
wants to go there. They're not gonna blind sidne him
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because he's a legacy guy. He brought them a championship.
They won't blindside him. They won't do him dirty. What
they'll do is they'll say that, yannest, we got this offer,
we like, how would you feel about going there?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Though?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And if he signs off on it, that's it. It's
a done deal.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
If you're a Milwaukee and I'm not in the front office,
I'm not you know, this would not be the Dodger
Way or even the Lakerway. But if you're in Milwaukee,
you said he's thirty years old, he brought you a championship.
Why wouldn't you go do all you can to get
him the pieces? And I know they you know, Dame.
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Thing didn't work. They had the pieces there, they they're
gone now. But why at thirty years old, where he's
got some more left in the tank, why wouldn't Milwaukee go, Okay,
we're gonna build this again around you. We're gonna make
this happen for you.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I agree with you. But as you mentioned, they tried.
They tried with Dame. He tears his achilles, and that
tandem never peaked as high as we thought it would. Anyways,
Dame was thirty two when he came over. He was
a little bit older. He was slowing down a little
little bit. And they had injury issues in the playoffs too,
And obviously it.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Wasn't quite like they thought we were going to be right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
We thought that pick and roll would be unstoppable with
them too. But they gave up a ton of picks
to bring in Drew Holiday back in twenty twenty one,
which did get them over the top. They worked with
the New Orleans Pelicans, they won the championship. It was
all worth it f those picks. If it gets you
a championship, just like it did for the Rams a
few years back. They did it, but there's a price
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to pay, and now they're paying it. They don't have
a lot of assets left. That's why they had to
stretch Dame and have twenty million of dead cap money
on the books the next five years just so they
could get under the cap and bring in Miles Turner.
They've tried everything, but I think they're running out of
options and the only way to refill the cupboards. The
only way to fill back up the war chest is
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to now trade one of your superstars to bring in assets,
first round picks and young players, and that might be
the position they're in now.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
All right, we'll keep an eye on that, no question.
Roddick's some quick NFL Matthew Stafford go to see a
back specialist. To me, this might be a little more
than I don't really need to be out.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There that much. I don't want to got to soar back. Yeah,
I think it's a little more than that. What do
you think? Yeah, Look, we're still early, early in camp.
He hasn't yet to practice, hasn't practiced since the start.
You know, you would you would think that seeing all
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of the experts and back specialists and whoever you got
to see. If you're not ready to go to camp,
you see all those folks before camp to check it out.
The fact that he's seeing now going to a back
specialist two weeks into the camp, yeah, there's there's there's
I wouldn't say big concern, but there's certainly cause for concern.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We got to wait and see what this back specialist says.
But I would I would believe once they figured out
that he was not going to be able to to
start training camp, that they would do everything they could
to see whoever they needed to see to figure out
what was going on and get a timetable. Is when
he was coming back.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
That's the thing that threw me. He's not working out
because he's got a back problem. Well that he had
a back problem, right, not like okay, everybody reports on
Tuesday and he walked through the door and went, oh
my god, my back is killing me. He had a
problem before camp began. So what did that mean. Maybe
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it meant, well, it's not that bad. Let me just
get out here and work out a little bit out
that's killing me. That's the thing that's kind of throwing
me here. Did he have it before camp? Did he
tweak it a day or two into camp? Because at
first you think how much practice does.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He really need? Yeah, and he's not played. I don't
think since he's been here. I don't think he played
a preseason game because that's not the way Sean McVay
does things. He doesn't play as starters really, especially quarterbacks.
So I don't think he's played that. So that wasn't
gonna be a concern of him playing preseason games. But practice, Yeah,
you need the practice. But yeah, it's little. It's a
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little weird that we're into training camp now and he
is he he didn't go to a specialist, especially when
the reason he can't practice is his back. And like
you said, it wasn't like he walked through the door,
went through the first you know, fifteen minutes of drills
and go, oh my back. I got to stop and
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then go from there. They knew going in he wasn't
going to start this training camp, all right. The other
football story locally Keenan Allen, it's coming back, Fred, He's
coming back. He's coming back, Fred.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Well, that's a question. Charger players want them back. He's
not with Jim Harbaugh. You know, he was great when
he was with the Chargers. Everybody loved him. Yeah, yeah,
what do you think should they bring him back?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think here's the thing. I think they wouldn't even
be con if Justin Herbert didn't say yeah, I want
him back, because he was a comfort blanket for Justin Herbert.
He was that guy that was always going to be open.
He's going to be that guy that gets in your
vision as a quarterback. He's a guy that's always going
to run the right route. He's a guy that is
going to do the right thing and be where he
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is supposed to be. And as a quarterback, he loved
those guys. I don't care how old they are because
they know how to play football. And I guarantee you
if Justin Herbert has anything to do with it, or
any say or any pool, which I think he does,
Keithan Allen would be back with the Charges now. I mean,
I don't know what keenness thinking about money wise. I
know his big contract days are behind him, but if
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he's okay with it, I know I know they would
love to have him back. When you were playing, who
was your guy ooh. I remember we brought in Irving
Friar in Philadelphia and he was older, but Irving knew
how to run routes, he knew where he was going
to be. He understood the nuances of football and just
new defenses. So we were you know, certain people you
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get paid with and because they see the field the
way you see the field. You know, for Matthew Stafford,
I know, he crazy when he got and started working
with Cooper Cup He's like, oh, wait a minute, this
guy sees what I see. Okay, so he's gonna be
my go to And you have those guys and I do.
I remember Ery Fryar coming to Philly after my first
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year there, and then my second year they brought him in.
I was like, oh, this guy gets it. He gets
it even though he's thirty three or whatever he was
when he when he came there, Like yeah, yeah, I
can work with him. So those guys do make a difference.
Oh yeah, big time, because you know, not only do
they you know where they're gonna be and they can
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win for you. And I'm on top of that, you
feel comfortable in those fifty to fifty situations throwing it
to him. You know certain guys. You know, it's the
one time where the guy doesn't go all out and
your ball gets intercepted, or he stops running and the
ball gets intercepted, or it's a jump ball and he
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doesn't really jump for it and it gets intercepted. That
never leaves your mind as a quarterback. He's like, Okay,
if it's even in fifty to fifty situation, I'm not
throwing to him. But other guys, you know, no matter what,
if they don't catch it, nobody's catching it. They're gonna
make sure it's not intercepted. Then you feel comfortable throwing
into those guys. So yeah, it definitely matters. Definitely matters
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with those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So when you were going through your progressions, you're back,
you're looking, there's that guy. But that guy's not the
fifty to fifty guy. That's the guy that might not
jump quite as high. Yeah, I gotta see him out
of the corner of your eye. You think I got
a chance. I gotta get off, gotta make something happen now.
But you go over here to somebody else, yeah, or
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start or you start scrambling and go, okay, I gotta
make something different. Happen scramble because that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Guy's open, Right, that's the guy that's open. You don't
want to throw the ball. Well, it's not necessarily he's
not open. Because he's open, you're gonna throw it to him.
He wouldn't be on the field throw it to him
if he's open. But if it's close, is what I'm saying.
If it's close, if it's like he's kind of covered,
is he not covered, it's a chance. I got to
put it in a tight window for him to catch it.
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It's like things got to be perfect for that guy
for him to catch it. Then no, you're gonna go
against that judgment, Go no, Now, I'd rather move around
and see what I can make happen. Uh in that
situation as oppose that, if at the guy you trust,
you're like, at the very least, I know it's not
gonna get intercepted, So I can take a chance on
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this guy. And with the car guys hundred percent, and
they will question. They were like, well, you know he's
got a step on him, he's got you know, he's
got a couple of steps on why when you why
did you throw it to him? And now it's different
if he's like the first read and the thing, and
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you like, okay, the play is designed to go to him,
and he's got a couple of steps, you give it
to him. But if it is he's the second or
third read, and they go, why didn't you throw it
to him? Then you do? You revert back. He's like,
remember when we played Baltimore and I did that and
ball got intercepted. I never forgot that. I never forgot that.
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So I'm not throwing it to him. If it's tight,
if it's close, if he's if he's somewhat covered, I'm
not giving him the ball. I never forgot that.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
And when you say that to the coach, what do
they say back to you, Rodney, that was a one
off and you gotta throw them the ball or.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I get it. I get it. It's a trust thing.
You gotta trust him, And so they let they let
the receiver coach know that, lets that guy know that, Hey,
you got to build back that trust without saying anything.
Oh so that's how they do it. Oh yeah, because
the coordinator, a quarterback coach will end a meeting with
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the receivers or the coaching staff will tell the receiver
coach because they'll have a conversation why didn't he throw
it in that moment, And the quarterback will say, well,
you know, because when you play Baltimore, ball got tipped
away once and then it got to intercepted one time.
So he's not comfortable throwing it to him in a
fifty fifty situation. So he's got to build back that trust.
You got to go make some plays for him so
and get that confidence back. So that receiver. Coach will
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go tell that player it's like, yeah, you got to
You gotta make up for those couple of times that
he tried to give you a chance and you didn't
make it. Do they ever have that conversation with you
the other player? Oh yeah, yeah they do. They come
back sometimes hey I was open, or you're sitting there
watching films like, oh yeah, I was open. He's like yeah,
And sometimes you're you're honest. You gotta be honest with him.
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It's like I need I need you to win, I
need you to win better, I need I need a
better separation. You know, I'm gonna give you a chance,
and you try to encourage him. You just say, yeah,
all right, next time in that situation, I'm gonna give
you a chance. I'm gonna give you a chance in
that next situation, and you try to, you try to.
I mean, they're on the field for reasons, so you
try to give him a chance, and you want to
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build their confidence up. But there's only so many chances
you can get in.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Okay, And we will come back and wrap today's program
up after this.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh yeah, down a home stretch riding Pete fred Rogan,
come on, Freddie, come on.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
All right, So Dodgers back home after that road trip
we mentioned it earlier. Yeah, they came up more than
they were down. But at times it didn't look that way.
It didn't look smooth. It didn't look I don't want
to say easy, but it didn't look easy. It looks
like they got through it. Now you can't playing because
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they won more than they lost. Now they're back for
the home stands, starting tonight against Saint Louis Tyler Glass
now for the Dodgers and Sunny Gray for the Cardinals.
It just as you watch this, you just are wondering
because Blake snow pitched over the weekend. Glass now again tonight,
when are they gonna seem right? They still don't seem right.
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We talked about Mookie struggles. He certainly doesn't. But overall,
they just they seem a little off. And you gotta wonder,
because they still are in first place, at what point
are they not gonna seem off?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know what I mean? Rodney, Yeah, I'm trying to
think even as things get blurred over the years, because
the Dodgers have been in the mix for as long
as we can remember, for as long as we've been
doing this show together, Fred, Dodgers have been right in
the conversation. Yep. So I'm thinking about the last year.
Was there a stretch last year where they struggled like
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this or struggled or went to a real team kind
of slump on their way to win in the World Series? Yo?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, there was a time where they struggled last year,
But then when they didn't, they didn't look like they
do now when they're allegedly not. I mean, if you
think about what they just did on the road, that's
not a team that's struggling. They had a good road trip.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
No, At the end of the day, Yeah, when you
don't if you didn't watch the games, right, if you
didn't watch them and you just looked at Okay, how
do they do on the road trip? You go, oh, okay,
it's good. But if you watch them, you're like, hmm,
that didn't They snuck out of there with a win.
They snuck out of there with a series win.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
And it's different than last year when they were they
had to fight truth and nail against San Diego. It's
different now it's they're not even doing that. It's kind
of like, okay, we won.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
There's just no nothing that has stood out except the
factor in first place, which is great.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
And maybe I don't know if if it gets closer
to the playoffs, but last year you felt like, Okay,
when they need to have it, when they need to
get it, they can't be beat. They're gonna win. Even
when they were down the San Diego in that series,
you're like, they'll come back and win this. They're too
good and and they know how to play right now.
(39:26):
You know, if the playoffs started today, you would be
concerned if they can win a series and that and
there it is. They just don't seem right.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
They're winning, they've had a nice road trip, but they're
just like off, just not firing on all cylinders, and
you just wonder when that's gonna happen. I don't know,
maybe when Mookie hits.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Maybe maybe maybe when the pitching staff gets all the
kind of en sync and they're going and they've had
you know, all five of them have had multiple starts now,
you know, and they're kind of working together as a
starting staff. Because I tell you one guy, he's got
to go in as Yamamoto. Yamamoto looked good. Yeah, he
(40:13):
did stuff working, he really did. Dave.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Couldn't let him go one more one more batter for
a quality start. Couldn't let him go five and two thirds.
All he needed was one more batter, Dave. I don't
know why he had to go out and get him.
And if you play fantasy baseball, you know what I'm
talking about. There you go, because at the end of
the day, it really is all about me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Of course, in your fantasy league, that's exactly right, all right,
Rodnick John, Are you one of those leagues with a
bunch of people, crazy people.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, yeah, we got the Big Family League. There's twelve
teams in that. We've had it for years. Then I'm
in a couple of Yahoo leagues. Okay, do you guys
talk smack the Family talks smack with each other all
the time. Oh, there's a big group text all the time,
(41:08):
and it gets ugly. Haley beat me yesterday. I couldn't
believe it. Haley beat me by one point. I thought
it was over. I went to eat dinner. I came back.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
She won. Her mother called her. She goes, yeah, I
just really wanted to beat dad. What are you trying
to say, Like, I couldn't believe it, Like she never
beat you before. Oh? No.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
The point is I looked at it. There were and
she had two players left in the four o'clock games,
and I got this. She needs two stolen bases to
beat me. You close your eyes and it was over,
and you're like, okay, I'm going to dinner. I woke
up in the morning thought i'd won. I looked I lost.
I couldn't believe it. She got two stolen bases. It's cutthroat,
that's toughly. I'm coming there. If you're weak, you're gonna
(41:49):
get it. Everybody's in it running. Good job, Adam, thank
you for filling it for Kevin.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Great work. I appreciates you. Guys. Tomorrow it's your mom. Yep.
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