September 17, 2025 • 48 mins
Ohtani was taken out while pitching a no-hitter. Was that the right move by Dave Roberts and the Dodgers? ESPN.com did a huge write-up on Kawhi Leonard's influence over the Clippers' organization. We ponder: Should they cut bait with him sooner than later?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, there we go, Fred Rugan and Rodney Pete an
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for US Today. Dan Whykey joins the show at one o'clock.
He has returned from Europe after keeping an eye on
Luca and Dellan Hernandez of the Times. We'll be here
at two Rodney, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good afternoon, Fred. How are you feeling today, Fred? How
you feeling kind of bummed out? To be honest with you, Yeah, yeah,
I'm bummed out after what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Mm yeah, how's that meter? That panic meter?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, panic meter is fine. Here's the thing I think
it was. Well, first they couldn't hit right, and now
they're hitting, and now you're thinking we're in good shape.
This is exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And then you see what happened in the last two
games where a bullpen imploded. That that is troubling. No
do I think Andrew Freeman should have rushed out at
the trade deadline if we could rewrite history.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And go sign guy.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Let's not do that. Let's just work with what we
have right now. What we have right now is that
was bad.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The bullpen lost him two games. They should have won.
No other way to look at it, no other way
to sugarcoat it. They lost two games, they should have won.
Rableski last night, and we'll get to Oltani in a second.
Roblesking last night comes in relief, did not look good,
then gives up the home run. All of a sudden,
it's a different game when Dave Roberts came out to
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get him. You know, every time the manager comes out,
Rodney comes out, keeps his head down when he's walking,
gets to the mound, you know, sticks out his hand,
takes the ball, gives the reliever a little pat on
the butter on the back, and the reliever walks off right.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The pitcher walks off the mountain.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Last night, Dave Roberts walks out. Robleski is kind of
holding the ball down. When Dave gets her, he just
takes it out of his hand and he walks away.
That spoke volumes to me. That spoke volumes. That was like,
what the hell, what the hell? We can't give up
that lead. We can't and we'll get to al Tani
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in a second. We can't give up that lead. And
then they come back.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, wait, you thought he was mad at Rubleski, that
was this scolding him or I think he was mad
at the situation.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think he was mad at the situation. I don't
think he's mad at the individual. I think he's mad
at the situation, and I think that showed and he
probably should have been. Then you come back, you're in
it again, and you're thinking, great, this, this is going
to be a great win. You're back in it. You know,
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what happened the night before can be forgotten. Let's just
win it here. And then another home run and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was deflating.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is it an indication of what may come when they
face the Phillies? I don't know, because every game is
a different game, But that I thought was really deflating.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Rodney, Yeah, yeah, it's been.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know, look, we.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And as Dodger fans should, we're pretty used to this
right now, right this season.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
This is kind of the way it's been. It's kind
of the way it's been.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And sometimes if if you're you know, you're dealing with
something and they keep showing you who they are, that's
who they are. And unfortunately for the Dodgers this year,
it's it's been their Mo. It's that if it's one
aspect of it, it's the bullpen. Bullpen can't close out games,
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or if the offense can't hit, when you get an
incredible performance by the starting pitcher, they can't get any
run support. So it's been you know, they've not put
it all together yet, and every time we think they
are there and they are putting it together, then they
have a setback like they've had the last two nights,
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and it just it just doesn't feel good in your
stomach because it's you know, the playoffs are right around
the corner, and you want to see them playing well,
and we thought that was happening after coming back from
San Francisco and then they played the Phillies. But if
you really look at it and you really do analyze
that and go deep into it, and you can if
you can, but it's sports, and so you really don't
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have a crystal ball. You don't know how a game
is gonna go night to night. But watching that series
or watching the first two games of Phillies, do you
get the sense that the Phillies are a better team
than the Dodgers, Because I don't, I don't at all.
They beat them, but watching those two teams play, to me,
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the Dodgers were or are clearly the better team. That
doesn't necessarily always translate to wins, but just in the
first two games, the Phillies got players now right, and
they got their share of injuries as well. But they've
got a really good lineup, and they've got really good
players on that side. It's the reason why they won
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the NL East. But I I in watching these first
two games, I feel like the Dodgers are, to me,
without questioning, the better team.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I won't argue that, obviously not in a bullpen, but
I won't argue that. I will say, when Trey Turner
Alex Boum comes back, the guys that are hurt, the
Phillies get even better.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But yeah, do I think the Dodgers are better? Sure?
Are they?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At least on part? Yes, I agree. But the bullpen
really really screwed it up the last two nights, and
I think that's hard. I mean, it makes you think
about all year long with Tanner Scott blowing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Saves like god.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Those are all games that are winnable, you're supposed to win.
Robleski looked bad last night. There's no other way to
look at it. He looked bad.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And it doesn't get intensified now because we're so close
hunter playoffs, we're in September. Because he's looked he's looked
really good this year. He's been that they've used quite
a bit, and him and Jack Jack Dryer right has
just been they've been almost workhorses for the Dodgers and
they've they've stepped up to the challenge. And yes, he
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had a bad night last night. You know, does that now?
Does that put pause in your mind to whether or
not he even makes the roster now for it, Yes,
it does.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
To be very honest with you, if there was one
moment that could take him off the roster, it was
last night.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay, so that's the headline. That's the headline.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They lost the bullpen lost the game for him, and
it was just deflating. But now that was the headline,
let's get into the story. And the story became shoheo Tani,
who Homer's last night, who pitched exceptionally well last night,
who left the game with a no hitter last night,
which led to Robluski's appearance, and for all intents and purposes,
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the end. Now there were concerns and people were wondering
why in the world would Dave Roberts takes sho Hey
o'tani out of the game when he's throwing a no hitter.
So let's listen to Dave. Well, he wasn't going to
go back out. We haven't. We haven't.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
We've been very steadfast in every situation as far as
inning for his usage from one inning to two innings
to three to four to five. We haven't deviated from that.
So I was trying to get his pulse on for
going forward where he's at continuing to go to the
sixth inning, and he says, be okay, and so that
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was that was good. But I'm not going to have
a you know, plan for five innings and then he
pitches well and say, hey, now you're going to go
six innings, and then you know, he's too important and
if something does happen, then that's on me for changing
and we haven't done that all year, So I'm not
going to do that right now. So yeah, I would
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have loved to have him go out there. But if
the conversation was if he's efficient, he can go to
the sixth inning, that's a different conversation. But it was
a hard five innings and that's just the way it goes,
and guys have got to do their jobs just.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
To make sure that the conversation was not so much
about getting into for that start the future.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
For the future, Yeah, that's what my decision was already
going to be done. So I'm trying to get a
gauge on him going out there, and he's open to whatever.
But if I don't have that conversation, this is a
different situation. It's been different this whole year. And so
he's two players in one and for me to try
to do something and deviate and if something happens, then
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we lose two players. And so if the conversation hasn't had,
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
We haven't done it all year, so I'm not going
to do it tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's a night like this when.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You start with head October at a raise, you had
the guys here, how far you from pushers?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Got?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I mean, if there's conversations that of the powers that
be at every and show he included, if everyone's in
the conversation saying hey, we'll push them, that's a different
convers But what I knew going in is that he
was going to be five innings.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So that's where it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Stops, okay, and that's where it did stop with a
no hitter. Now, people are upset. They actually bowed Dave
Roberts for taking Otani out of.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The game with a no hitter in the fifth, right, yes, yeah,
so like he had a no hitter in the.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Eighth, correct, Not like he had a no hitter in
the eighth. Now, I'll tell you what I think, and
I understand people are upset. You double down because of
what happened afterwards. And Otani was dealing. He really did
look good. So now when you think about the playoff
rotation and Andrew Friedman speaking of well he's one of
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the best pitchers in the National League, Yeah, he really
looked like it last night. But let's be honest, he
wasn't going they were taking him out no hitter or not.
There's a bigger pro at the end. They're gonna take
care of him. They're gonna maintain his health. They're not
gonna do anything that could jeopardize who he is and
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what he's doing. Right now, you make the argument, well,
he can go out there tomorrow throw one ball and
throw his arm out. He could, he could, sure he could,
but you try to minimize what could happen. So as
I surprised they took him out in that one bit.
I thought they would take him out. I didn't know
would be them, But I didn't think he was gonna
keep going for it. One more inning maybe and that
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would have been the end of it. Rodney, did they
make the right move taking him out?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, whether you believe it or not, that's that's what
their decision was. So that was already determined before the
game started. You know, he's a different animal than than
some of the other guys. You know, decision to leave
Yamamoto and you know through eight and two thirds was
a different decision than Otani. You know, they they made
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the decision if ya if Yamamoto is dealing and he's
you know, he's got a chance of the no hitter
and he completes the eighth, and are we gonna send
him out to the ninth because he's had one hundred pitches?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's a different player. We have a different strategy with
this player. With Otani, it's different. They got to a
point and they knew what they were gonna do. Beforehand. Now,
if this was not a plan beforehand, and they haven't
shown this, and you know in the past, and sometimes
they've let him go seven innings, and sometimes they've let
him go to one hundred and fifteen pitches, and other
times they've taken him out after seventy five pitches. Then
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you got an argument. But this is not anything different
than they've done all season long with him, and that
is their plan for him, regardless of him on a
way to no hitter. And by the way, it's in
the fifth inning, so let's not get crazy. Oh my god,
he had a no hitter going. No, wasn't like Yamamoto
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who had the no hitter in the eighth and they
send him back out for the ninth. So just pump
your brakes, folks. They know more than us, They know
the strategy. They it wasn't a fly by night, fly
by the seat of your pants decision, Oh my god,
I gotta go take him out or should I take
him out? And should have not? It was already done.
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It was already done. So the fact that the Dodgers
end up losing that game again allows people to pile on.
But relax, relax, there is a plan in place and
has been a plan in place, and they stuck to
the plan, you know, doing Hernandez. Interesting, he'll be on
the program by the way, two o'clock, he suggested. And
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maybe Oltani brought it up because of the pitching situation
of the playoffs. Remember, if he goes in as a reliever,
you've lost the DH. So you've lost that spot. Uh,
he suggested. Maybe Oltani will play the outfield. Maybe maybe
play them in the outfield. Then if he goes into pitch,
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you don't lose the DH. Play him in the outfield. No,
he hadn't played in the outfield all year. Old Tani
seems to be receptive to the idea. So then you wonder, well,
the Dodgers play him in the outfield. So you gotta
slay one hundred and fifty two games and then all
of a sudden, now you're gonna put him in the
outfield to play in the field to get ready for
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the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's what that's the strategy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well that's what he's He's playoff.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's just ridiculous. That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.
You play one hundred and fifty two games, and you're
gonna now say let's put him in the outfield so
we don't lose the DH after he's never played the
outfield this season. Come on, what are we doing? I
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know everybody wants to, you know, have the answer, and
I got to crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I know how to.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know, I can fix it, Like putting Mookie back
in right field is going to fix his hitting? Yes,
that's the answer. No, it's not. Again, they know more
than us. They've they've done the research and the homework
and spent the time, you know, constructing this team and
figuring out strategy. So to suggest that he go to
the outfield at one and fifty games is just absurd.
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Unless he says I want to go to the outfield. No, no, no,
not unless Otani the manager and the picture now and
the DH and the coach and the DH. No. No,
that's the same thing as the picture saying I'm not
coming out of the game. Unless he decides he wants
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to come out in the fifth inning, then we'll take
him out. But if he tells me I'm not coming
out because I want to preserve the no hitter, then
I'm staying in.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, but I get the pitching situation's after saying yes,
he says unless he says I'm gonna play the outfield. Right,
if he goes to them and says, play me in
the outfield in case I have to come into relieve
in this game, and it's him saying it, and.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You think they acquiesced him and say, okay, yeah, sure, show, Hey,
let's put you in the outfield. Let's shitt you some
fly balls. Now at one hundred and fifty games in
go hit some go play right field. Go So if
we're part of the deal, is protecting him because you
got two players in one so put him in the
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outfield is protecting him. No, but you would say, well,
you know it's the playoffs. Now, it's the playoffs. Different animals,
but not to you know, I would not not to
put a guy in a position that he had and
played all season long. No, I wouldn't say that. I'm
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talking in terms of if if he's in the seventh
any now, if that bit, if that was the playoffs,
this was game seven last night, or a clinching game,
Dave Robins not taking him out of the game, agree
to let them go. So that's a different story him
pitching as opposed to putting him in the outfield. It's absurd,
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it's ridiculous, it's juvenile, it's all of those things. Okay,
well you've summed that up nicely.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I will say.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Someone did ask Dave Roberts about this last night, and
here's exactly what he said about show. He said, he's
a great teammate, wants to help us win a championship.
So I'm all about it. I don't know if it's
going to happen. He hasn't played in the outfield, but
I appreciate the fact he's open to do whatever we need.
But I don't know how that looks. He hasn't taken
the fly ball all year, So if you listen to
what he's not saying, he ain't playing in the outfield.
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That's kind of what I interpreted from that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
An.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I appreciate he's being a great teammate, he wants to
help the team win, but no, not happening. It sounds
like he hasn't even been You hear about guys staying warm.
We have all these different gloves and field ground balls
or fly balls just in case I'm needed. Dave Roberts
just said he has it even done that he hasn't
even gotten fly balls and going out there and shagged
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, So what makes you Fred or anybody thinking that
he's gonna go play outfield?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
How much practice because he says he wants to.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He's on Tony for good's sake. The last time you
seen him play the outfield, I can't remember.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
It might have been his seconds to last year with
the Angels, I believe you know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I thought, wait a minute, that's not fair. I think
I saw the impostor guy that wore his uniform for
picture they.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Play the outfield. Ask him, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I think that's the last time I saw him play
the outfield when the impostor was in there.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, certainly something to.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Kick around because because people are gonna start talking about it,
it's non starter.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And people talk about it because it's something to talk
about and try to get people riled up. But that
ain't happening. It's a waste of time, it's a waste
of breath.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I know what Andrew Freeman' said the other day. He
liked to see the rule change to where he can
stay in the game and be a reliever.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That yeah, but he said that's something they have to
deal with next year.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
You're right, No, he acknowledged it, and obviously they're not
going to change it now mid season. But he liked
to see the rule change to where if you're gonna
have a two way player, and I think for all
of baseball, if this is supposed to or potentially happened
again with another player, maybe a player is a reliever
and a DH not necessarily a starter. It would open
it up for that. So that could happen in the future,
but obviously that's not gonna happen right now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, Dylan Rnandes will be on it two. He
wrote about it today and he'll talk about it. Just
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Okay, it is hump day. It's right beautiful Wednesday, write
Peter fred Rogan. Come on Game three of the Series
of the year regular season with the Phillies. Hopefully they
can salvage this series without getting swept.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So let's go Dodgers, come on, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Baxter Homes ESPN dot com wrote a piece about Kawhi
Leonard and the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It is very revealing interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It comes out now with the allegations that they tried
to circumvent the salary cap and that the Clippers allegedly
had paid a company X number of dollars who then
hired Kawhi Leonard as an endorser and then paid him
the money the Clippers paid so they could circumment the
salary cap. Now that is the story. Steve Baumer denies it.
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The League is investigating. Pablo Torri had that initially, all right,
so that was the story. Now more comes out and
Baxter Holmes wrote a piece. It's very interesting share a
few parts of it. We'll talk about it first. Baxter
Homes suggests that the Clippers need to be out of
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the Kawhi Leonard business. They need to be finished with it.
And a lot of the things that happened leading up
to this point. For example, and this is his reporting
when the club was interested initially in Kawhi Leonard. Dennis
roberts and uncle Dennis. We know his name. We know
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that he spoke to the club on Coawhi's behalf and
also speaks to a number.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Of businesses on Kawhi's behalf. It's his uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Here were some of the requests that were made part
ownership of the team, access to a private plane, a house,
and guaranteed off court endorsement money. That's the one that
called league officials because now we have off court endorsement money.
Steve Baumer denies it. One source with direct knowledge of
the talk said there were the same requests that he
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made to the Lakers and Raptors. Robertson asked the Raptors
for ownership stakes and outside companies corporate sponsorship deals in
which Leonard wouldn't have to do anything in return for
the money. Robertson did not respond to requests on this story.
He did not respond to a request for comment for
this story where he asked that Leonard initially live in
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San Diego rather than La Leonard would commute via helicopter.
He later moved to Los Angeles. I remember that, I
remember that coming up. I think the Clipper said, yeah,
if you want to. He wanted to see if Leonard
would be able to skip some media obligations and community events.
Clippers said, okay. He wanted the team to promise to
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market Leonard individually. Apparently the Clippers agreed. According to the report,
he wanted Leonard to be able to bring some of
his own people into the organization, not unusual by the
way Clippers agreed. A team source did dispute the existence
of some of the requests in the tone with some
of the others. Okay, So that's kind of a headline
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of what this piece is, and basically it is saying
that Kawhi Leonard has been difficult to deal with. Now
this has not been made public. It's interesting it comes
out at this time when the league is now looking
into these allegations.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Against the Clippers. What do you mean, it's not been
made public. None of this stuff's ever been talked about.
That's what I'm saying, none of this stuff. It's like,
now the league's looking into the Clippers and you find
this out. So yeah, first time I've heard a lot
of this stuff. No, No, it was always talk about
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correct me if I'm wrong. They would talk about him
wanting a plane in Toronto. It was all this stuff.
That was all the talk back in those days of
them trying to keep him in Toronto, him wanting a plane.
They got Drake was involved in all of that because
he's a Toronto guy.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I do remember if I'm saying all of it, all
of it like, uh, you don't have to go to
media obligations, team community events things like that. I mean,
it's more of a laundry list here than the headline events.
And basically what they're saying is the Clippers. Also in
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this piece it does say the Clippers are done building
around and Kawhi realizes that too. They basically say they
should get out of the Kawhi Leuner business. Whose they
uh nba GM.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
They say a lot some executives, they.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Don't put their names to it, but they seriously a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, they do like it, Yeah, they do, they do.
They are the syndicate. Well yeah, interesting, What are we
making out of this?
Speaker 7 (24:17):
What do we?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What do we What's what's the bottom line? Well, to me, the.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Bottom line is this, and it's something I really didn't understand.
I mean, I know they had they signed him, he
was the star. They were going to build around him.
I know all that, and I'm sure they acquiesced to
some things, as any team would for any star. So
we need to put that out there. Not unusual for
a team to acquiesce to some stars demands. They've heard it.
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They're the star. But what I'm seeing, or what I'm
sensing after reading the whole thing, is that there was
more manipulation than you would think, and that the Clippers,
the Clippers actually worked pretty hard to keep him happy,
even when he was injured. They worked very hard. I
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think this was far more labor intensive than I thought.
On the Clippers part, it seems like he was more
of a handful in a lot of ways than I thought.
If you remember during the Olympic trials, and this was
very odd. You know, he was hurt, he wasn't going
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to play all of a sudden, he was fine. Remember this,
he was fine. Tyron Luke took over for Doc Rivers
on October of twenty twenty. He was a member of
the coaching staff. He stressed to Team USA officials that
Leonard knew his body and that if he wasn't healthy,
he wouldn't play. But lou emphasized that Leonard wanted to play.
Lawrence Frank and I remember this stressed the same. But
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Team USA officials were unconvinced, so they were trying to
lobby Team USA to let him play despite the fact
we know he wasn't really ready. He wasn't ready at all,
but they sure went to bad for him because that's
something he wanted. You can make the argument, well, you know,
that's his coach and the president of the basketball operations.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Of course they would defend their guy.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It just seems to me as you read through all
of this, there was a lot more to it, maintaining
and staying in the Kawhi Leonard business and keeping Kawhi happy.
There were a lot of asks. That's not unusual. People
can make asks. They don't always have to be granted.
But Rodney's I read it, and it is a long piece.
(26:39):
It really is. You got to read the whole thing
because it's pretty good. I think it's been I think
it has been a battle to be in business with him,
and I don't know, maybe it's like that with everybody.
But the feeling is they didn't get the return of investment.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Do they get out of the Kawai business?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, they didn't. You know what I'm saying, What do
you think should they get out of the Kawhi business? Uh?
I think when his deals up, they should. Yeah. When
is this deal up? Well, two years, Kevin, I.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Think after next season. I believe after after this coming season,
also this season and then the following season.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right, two years? Right? Two years? Should they have two years? Yeah,
they'll be out of business with them then. So they
try to get out before that, try to try to
make some deal to get out of the Kahi business
before that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, next year is the year that they're going to
really be able to go into the marketplace during the
off season.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know. Maybe you try to get out then. No,
I'm saying, yeah, so do you do it before his
official deal is up? He said, to be able to
do what you need to do in the off season,
or do you wait till his deal is up and
just be out of the Kawhi business. Here's the dilemma
and cut and cut ties. Just cut the cord evenly,
(27:58):
smoothly and just move on.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, well, ideally that's what they'll do. But here's your dilemma.
They could be pretty good this year, and when he
was healthy last year, he was very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's safe to.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Say that they've not had a return, a huge return
on investment when they signed him.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right, So that would you get out of the Kawhi
business though? Would you get out of the Kahi business
what it deals up? Absolutely? But not before?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, the problem is what if they win this year?
Not this year, so they'll have one year left.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
I think the big question is somebody who want to
trade for him? Because that's history? So what is even
the return you might be getting the pennies on the
dollar because no one knows how much of even play.
So yeah, I mean billion dollars on a guy who
doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's just that's what I was trying to say. To
his price point. Let's say they have a really good year, Okay,
then and he played a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Anybody knows that. Nobody knows what kind of year it's
going to be. So you can't right now, right now,
are you convinced? And you are you saying that again?
You've got to factor all of that in whether you
know anybody's going to sign him. His health is all
those things. So you're probably not gonna be able to
get any kind of return if you do it now.
(29:16):
But you certainly are not going to get any return
if you wait to his deals up. So what do
you do now, Fred? You sit with him this year
so you do not get out of business with him
this year. So it's the old tawny thing. So you're
gonna let him go into the last year of his
contract and just let it be done with yeah, or
(29:38):
try to or not try to trade him, not try
to get something for him. No, because the last year
of his deal to trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
If somebody's a guy short and he's healthy and he
can be the difference, then you can probably get a
pretty good haul in return.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
He'll also be thirty five at that point, so injury
history and.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Think you're going to get a really good haul at
that turn, you know can be a different to make
or at the trade deadline. If he's that guy, if
he's healthy and he's that guy's Kawhi at thirty five. Yeah,
I think it's pretty good return on investment there, because
he could be the missing piece of a puzzle. So
you'd hold on to him. You wouldn't try to get
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get I wouldn't move him this year.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
No, I mean you spent the off season trying to
build around him. You brought in Bradley Beal, you brought
back Chris Paul, so you you built the roster with
the designs that he's going to be here this year.
So I feel like it makes no sense to try
to cut bait. Now, run it and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know, Yeah, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And if it doesn't work, then then you know, look
the window for the Clippers. It's Steve Bomber's got to
be so frustrated. Clipper fans have to be so frustrated
because they have had windows, but they've never they've closed.
A lot of teams don't even have a window. Clippers
have had windows, but they close. Now if you look
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at what they did this year, who they are that's
I mean, that's what why are we surprised. That's who
the Clippers are and who they've always been. You know,
they're they're one of those franchise can't get over the
hump and can't get out of their own way, and
sometimes snake bitten. Sometimes it's their their own doing, but
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they're just unfortunately, one of those franchises can't can't get
and they can't even get lucky one year, which a
lot of franchises do and find lightning in a bottle
when they make a run and go win a title.
The Clippers have not been able to do that either,
and and they've had some pretty good teams. So you
know all of this. Are you again? You're out of
(31:41):
the you're out of the kawhi business. When loser draw
you agree with the article that yes, they could bait,
I'm done. And by the way, this is are you done?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You're done? Are you done?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Regardless of the season that happens this year, when it
steals up, I'm done. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It doesn't matter if they go deep, if they.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Go it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Up.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It doesn't matter. Okay, done, And don't blame Steve ball.
This is not Steve Balmer's fault. I mean because the
window keeps closing. He's certainly trying to put them in
a position to win. He's really committed and focused on that.
It's just one of those things. Maybe Rodney's right, Maybe
just snake bit. Whose fault is it?
Speaker 6 (32:21):
It is?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Always say, don't you always say?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Somebody gotta get it, somebody's got to get it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Who's get it? Who's getting it? Who's getting it? You
know what? While I mean, yeah, exactly who's getting it?
For it?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, you're not going to fire ballmer Lawrence Frank has
done a good job. Tyron Lewis coached very well. Maybe
it's as simple as you're right. Their snake bit, who
should get it? The person that named him?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
The Clippers.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
They need to change their name. God, I've said that
for years. Why would you want to carry that name
with you? What does it represent?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Seriously? Does it represent championships to you?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
When they built the into it them, they should have
changed them. And I know they said they did research,
and really the Clipper fans didn't want the name to
be changed.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Really change the name fresh Star. How many Clipper fans
said that, Well, apparently.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
They said they pulled the fans and the majority did
not want the name changed. I don't know where the
majority was or how many of them there were, so
they did not want the name changed.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
So you think by changing the name that magically changes
everything and they're a different franchise.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yes, I do, Okay, I think they needed to be rebroked.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
The Patriots were an embarrassment for so many years in
the NFL. Never changed their name. They'd run off a
twenty year dynasty. What does the name mean? It's just
the name.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, but that's a bad name.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Who cares? What does it matter?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What is represent Kevin? There's a lot of bad names.
When you hear Patriots, how does it represent? It's Clippers
in San Diego, the harbor down in San Diego where
all the boats sail and and it's you know it's
a beach city. Yeah, it's a clippers. LA could be
basically the same thing. You just moved up the road.
You're still on the water.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
H Well on that part, I mean the lake. How
many lakes are in LA?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (34:09):
That that booming jazz you know seen out in Utah?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Right?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I mean names are just names it has, but it
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, you know something.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
When you hear in athletics the team named Clippers, you
don't think win. What do you think with the Lakers?
You think win well, even though they haven't recently. Yeah,
they've won championships. Yeah, but Lakers doesn't. It's not like ferocious.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
It's not like a name that oh yeah, this is
intense Lakers coming at you. Yeah, but it represents winning.
They've won.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Celtics have won, Yankees have won, Dodgers have won, Patriots
have won. Teams have won.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
I'm saying time they win. There's franchises that for a
long times, for whatever reason, don't win, and then they
do and they never change their name, right, so their
futility is not attached to what their name is.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
He just gave you sample to the Patriots, who were
the doormat for such a long time. They never changed
their name.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
The Nuggets sucked for years, all of a sudden, they
have the best player in the world and have won
the championship, have been to the finals.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Years years ago. They weren't awful when Dan Neissel played,
never won a title, though Fred came.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
And never sniffed a championship. Rodnie is like, yeah, they
were good but were they ever like a legitimate threat.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Never the Clippers were named the worst, not with Steve
palmert but for years they were the worst franchise in
professional sports? Were the Patriots O were the worst franchise
of professional sports? Probably clothes?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
People were wearing bags over their heads.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
The Saints, Yeah, I get it, the Saints were all
The Saints are a great example of Rodney at one
of the greatest quarterbacks of his era in Archie Manning
never won the thing and were terrible for forty plus years.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Until Sean pay got and they won a championship. But
I guess they should have chan their name too.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, or they should hire Sean Payton to coach the Clippers.
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Speaker 1 (38:06):
Okay, now our weekly chat with a good friend Jacob
and Ronni. Jacob, how are you.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Today, Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you good?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Doing good? Jacob? Jacob. We were talking earlier.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
About the the Clippers and Balmer and Kawhi and that
whole situation going down with aspirations who's now bankrupt basically,
and then articles were written that the Clippers needed to
just finally cut bait with Kawhi Leonard he's been injured
(38:41):
and now that's off the court stuff. Do you agree
with that? Do you not agree with that? And what
do you also think about all that controversy with him
and any endorsement situation?
Speaker 6 (38:53):
And that's pretty crazy. Obviously, Adam Silver has already come
out to say that they're going to relook at a
bunch of the rules regarding endorsements and in movement of
teams being able to invest in outside companies. I think
at this particular moment, the Clippers will be more than
happy if that contract is not there anymore. I think
that will end up helping them. I don't think they'd
(39:16):
be fighting that. But I think it's just so so
interesting to see the inner workings of you know, when
this process was going on and Magic has says this
multiple times. Magic thought he had this, you know, in
the bag for the Lakers, and you know, last minute
something changed, and now you get all the disinformation and
(39:38):
if you know, if you're the Lakers, you're saying, thank god,
we weren't involved in it, and you know we didn't,
you know, we don't have to deal with it. But
I just feel like in the bigger picture, you know,
somebody found something in some documents and opened up this door,
and I'd be really interested to see. You know, there's
a lot of conversation and top but I think you
(40:00):
actually get to see an investigation finish and give us
the real results. I think at that particular moment, I
think I'd be in a much much better, much better
position in order to make a judgment over it, because
you know, in today's media world and in today's you know,
social media worlds, so many things get thrown around. At
the end of it, only ten percent of it is real. Truth,
(40:23):
you know what I mean. Yeah, I'd love to see
what the NBA's investigation brings out.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And Baxter Holmes wrote a big piece on ESPN dot
com today just talking about and chronicling some of the
things that have gone on behind the scenes with Kawhi
the Clippers Uncle Dennis, and he said, it's time to
get out of the Kawhi Leonner business. That's what he's suggesting.
I have to be honest with you, and we talked
about it last segment. And two years will be thirty
(40:52):
five years old. I'd be out of that. I'd be
out of that business too. When he's up, he's done.
They would help him, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yeah, absolutely, it'd be a gift for them to be
able to get out of that business. But what does
that mean. Are they going to trade him by him?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
No, you know what, he's got two years, So what
you do is after this year and who knows, I mean,
they might have a pretty good year, but after this year,
you see if you can move them. Who's going to
take a guy making that much money with those injury problems?
Right then you try to get rid of at the
trade deadline. Maybe he's a missing piece of a puzzle.
And if that's not the case, when he's up, he's done,
(41:30):
and you move on.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's all I see it.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Well, I mean, only time will tell. I mean the
Clippers you know, have basically, you know, a very very
old roster put together right now. So maybe if they
do find an opportunity for somebody who's willing to give
up some young talents, maybe it gets mooved. You know,
(41:54):
why wouldn't he I mean, I don't think he's brought
him what they paid him for. So I think it'll
be interesting to watch that that came out of nowhere.
But yet another thing that we're going to look at
throughout this season.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Unfortunately, you know some organizations that follows you around like
that that you know, that fog, that fog that follows
you know in the old cartoon days where you see
that fog following the bad guy or following somebody that
just can't can't get over that home. So hopefully this
is something that they that it gets rectified. Uh, Jacob,
(42:27):
another switch in sports? Rams big game with the Eagles.
How you seeing it?
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Oh, I'm feeling good. I mean I got to tell
you have a couple of friends obviously that are on
the Rams, and you know, you talk to them all
the time. And when that year last year ended the
way it did, they all were hurting. Couldn't wait for
this year and be able to get a shot at
the Eagles again. Obviously Eagles are you know, an excellent team.
But I think you know, you get out there and
(42:54):
as long as Matthew Stafford you can keep them off
the ground, as long as you know, I mean, we
got uh, not only Puka, but now you have you know, DeVante,
you got a great running back crew. I mean, you know,
I think the Rams are really excited about this, and
now the weather is much better. It should have gotten
to win last year, and looking forward to it, there
(43:16):
is an exciting, exciting game.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Are you going?
Speaker 6 (43:20):
I am not going. No, I will not be there.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
All right, Well, I don't know, Jacob, what's what you do?
You know, everybody Jacob fired up the jet. Let's go, man,
come on, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
Actually I'll tell you I'll be in Chicago for the
Chicago game against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
So okay, So yeah, it was such a big stretch
Jacob to ask if you were going.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
I was just laughing because it was just interesting. I
got invited to be at that game, and you know,
didn't know that, you know, the schedule was going to
conflict with this one. But I would have loved to
be in Philly. I hear those Philly fans really welcome,
you know, the fans that win from out of town.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
With a right Jacob with open arms in the city
of brotherly love.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Absolutely, that's right, Jacob. Our listeners love and you offer advice.
Here's something we've not talked about. If you win a
big verdict, if you want a big verdict, what does
that really mean?
Speaker 6 (44:16):
Yeah, so, you know, obviously it's it's no secret, right
you're watching TV. Everybody puts up these big verdicts. You're
on you know, social media, everybody puts these big verdicts.
And it's just important to understand that, you know, every
client's case is not going to have the value of
a multi million dollar case. And I feel like, unfortunately
(44:39):
sometimes that is you know, fogging up people's expectations. And
you know, everybody believes that just because they're injured, they're
going to have a multi million dollar settlement, and it
just is not that, you know, at our firm, we're
more excited about, you know, the fifty thousand, one hundred
thousand or a couple of one hundred thousand dollars settlements,
(45:00):
because that is worth just as much to our clients,
you know as when we get a twelve million dollar verdict.
And you have to understand when you get a twelve
million dollar whether it's a verdict, whether it's a settlement,
whether you get a result, there's some major injuries that
no person should ever hope that they have. And then
you realize sometimes in the news, you know, somebody hit
(45:22):
for seventy five million dollars and people like, oh my god, Well,
most of those verdicts get appealed, and most of those
verdicts probably don't even get paid because they go on
appeal and it goes on for a couple more years.
So if you've been injured in an accident, you have
to be reasonable based on your injuries and what the
value of your pain and suffering is. And I think
(45:43):
that's an important thing to ask your attorney whoever you
trust to represent you. Make sure you have an understanding.
And if somebody gives you a number up front, I
would run, because no attorney can tell you when you
sign up with them after an accident, what your case
is worth. You know, a case is always evaluated based
(46:03):
on a person's injuries, based on their needs for medical care,
and based on how they feel three months, six months,
or nine months down the line. So you know, attorneys
who try to give those numbers to people, it's just
more of a marketing to get you to sign off.
You'd rather go with somebody who's honest upfront, allows you
to basically take care of your health. And however you
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take care of your health. As an attorney, I know,
we take whatever our clients do, and that's what we represent,
and that's what you know we used to tell, you know,
the stories. So I just want, you know, our listeners
to not get so easily swayed by looking at big numbers,
because you know, there are some people that are terribly
injured and they deserve to be compensated for those life long,
(46:49):
you know, or life changing type of injuries. But you know,
ninety percent of the people get injured and if they
go to the right doctors and if they take their
health you're hoping that they recover and get paid for
their pain and suffering.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You know, jay I gotta be honest, Jacob, it really
kind of sucks when you think about it, that you
are you are paid based on how seriously you're injured.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Isn't that just the principle awful?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, you know what, you broke your leg, so you're
not going to make as much as if you broke
your back.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Isn't that then? Isn't that just terrible when you think about.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
It, Well, it's terrible, But you know, insurance companies have
made a living out of putting these formulas together that
if you break your leg, maybe your pain and suffering
is not as bad as if you break your back,
or if you have a meniscus tear, and that you know,
surgery is not as grueling as if you have to
(47:50):
get a you know, diskectomy, or you know, you have
to get a neck surgery. And those are the formulas
that insurance companies put into play every single day, and
those are the things that we have to battle through.
But you know, how a person recovers after their injuries
and the steps they take. I always tell our clients
is no amount of money is going to pay for
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you to be healthy. So I always like our clients
we go to a doctor that they choose to go to,
a doctor that they trust, and they get the medical
care that they're happy with, and they say I've recovered.
At that point, when we get them their pain and suffering,
then that's above and beyond their health having been recovered.
And I think that's what every injured client should be.
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That should be their number one goal is to get
healthy again.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
All right, Jacob, great advice, thanks for coming on. Great
talk to you stuff, Jacob.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Thank you guys. Take care.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Dylan Hernandez at the Times is going to join us
at two o'clock when we come back. Dan white Air
NBA Insider, we'll get more into the Clipper story. And
of course he was over in Europe watching Lucas, so
we got his take
No, there we go, Fred Rugan and Rodney Pete an
AM five to seventy LA Sports Big three hour program
for US Today. Dan Whykey joins the show at one o'clock.
He has returned from Europe after keeping an eye on
Luca and Dellan Hernandez of the Times. We'll be here
at two Rodney, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good afternoon, Fred. How are you feeling today, Fred? How
you feeling kind of bummed out? To be honest with you, Yeah, yeah,
I'm bummed out after what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Mm yeah, how's that meter? That panic meter?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, panic meter is fine. Here's the thing I think
it was. Well, first they couldn't hit right, and now
they're hitting, and now you're thinking we're in good shape.
This is exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And then you see what happened in the last two
games where a bullpen imploded. That that is troubling. No
do I think Andrew Freeman should have rushed out at
the trade deadline if we could rewrite history.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And go sign guy.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Let's not do that. Let's just work with what we
have right now. What we have right now is that
was bad.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The bullpen lost him two games. They should have won.
No other way to look at it, no other way
to sugarcoat it. They lost two games, they should have won.
Rableski last night, and we'll get to Oltani in a second.
Roblesking last night comes in relief, did not look good,
then gives up the home run. All of a sudden,
it's a different game when Dave Roberts came out to
(01:25):
get him. You know, every time the manager comes out,
Rodney comes out, keeps his head down when he's walking,
gets to the mound, you know, sticks out his hand,
takes the ball, gives the reliever a little pat on
the butter on the back, and the reliever walks off right.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The pitcher walks off the mountain.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Last night, Dave Roberts walks out. Robleski is kind of
holding the ball down. When Dave gets her, he just
takes it out of his hand and he walks away.
That spoke volumes to me. That spoke volumes. That was like,
what the hell, what the hell? We can't give up
that lead. We can't and we'll get to al Tani
(02:05):
in a second. We can't give up that lead. And
then they come back.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, wait, you thought he was mad at Rubleski, that
was this scolding him or I think he was mad
at the situation.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think he was mad at the situation. I don't
think he's mad at the individual. I think he's mad
at the situation, and I think that showed and he
probably should have been. Then you come back, you're in
it again, and you're thinking, great, this, this is going
to be a great win. You're back in it. You know,
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what happened the night before can be forgotten. Let's just
win it here. And then another home run and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was deflating.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is it an indication of what may come when they
face the Phillies? I don't know, because every game is
a different game, But that I thought was really deflating.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Rodney, Yeah, yeah, it's been.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know, look, we.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And as Dodger fans should, we're pretty used to this
right now, right this season.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
This is kind of the way it's been. It's kind
of the way it's been.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And sometimes if if you're you know, you're dealing with
something and they keep showing you who they are, that's
who they are. And unfortunately for the Dodgers this year,
it's it's been their Mo. It's that if it's one
aspect of it, it's the bullpen. Bullpen can't close out games,
(03:31):
or if the offense can't hit, when you get an
incredible performance by the starting pitcher, they can't get any
run support. So it's been you know, they've not put
it all together yet, and every time we think they
are there and they are putting it together, then they
have a setback like they've had the last two nights,
(03:52):
and it just it just doesn't feel good in your
stomach because it's you know, the playoffs are right around
the corner, and you want to see them playing well,
and we thought that was happening after coming back from
San Francisco and then they played the Phillies. But if
you really look at it and you really do analyze
that and go deep into it, and you can if
you can, but it's sports, and so you really don't
(04:14):
have a crystal ball. You don't know how a game
is gonna go night to night. But watching that series
or watching the first two games of Phillies, do you
get the sense that the Phillies are a better team
than the Dodgers, Because I don't, I don't at all.
They beat them, but watching those two teams play, to me,
(04:36):
the Dodgers were or are clearly the better team. That
doesn't necessarily always translate to wins, but just in the
first two games, the Phillies got players now right, and
they got their share of injuries as well. But they've
got a really good lineup, and they've got really good
players on that side. It's the reason why they won
(04:57):
the NL East. But I I in watching these first
two games, I feel like the Dodgers are, to me,
without questioning, the better team.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I won't argue that, obviously not in a bullpen, but
I won't argue that. I will say, when Trey Turner
Alex Boum comes back, the guys that are hurt, the
Phillies get even better.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But yeah, do I think the Dodgers are better? Sure?
Are they?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
At least on part? Yes, I agree. But the bullpen
really really screwed it up the last two nights, and
I think that's hard. I mean, it makes you think
about all year long with Tanner Scott blowing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Saves like god.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Those are all games that are winnable, you're supposed to win.
Robleski looked bad last night. There's no other way to
look at it. He looked bad.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And it doesn't get intensified now because we're so close
hunter playoffs, we're in September. Because he's looked he's looked
really good this year. He's been that they've used quite
a bit, and him and Jack Jack Dryer right has
just been they've been almost workhorses for the Dodgers and
they've they've stepped up to the challenge. And yes, he
(06:11):
had a bad night last night. You know, does that now?
Does that put pause in your mind to whether or
not he even makes the roster now for it, Yes,
it does.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
To be very honest with you, if there was one
moment that could take him off the roster, it was
last night.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Okay, so that's the headline. That's the headline.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They lost the bullpen lost the game for him, and
it was just deflating. But now that was the headline,
let's get into the story. And the story became shoheo Tani,
who Homer's last night, who pitched exceptionally well last night,
who left the game with a no hitter last night,
which led to Robluski's appearance, and for all intents and purposes,
(06:55):
the end. Now there were concerns and people were wondering
why in the world would Dave Roberts takes sho Hey
o'tani out of the game when he's throwing a no hitter.
So let's listen to Dave. Well, he wasn't going to
go back out. We haven't. We haven't.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
We've been very steadfast in every situation as far as
inning for his usage from one inning to two innings
to three to four to five. We haven't deviated from that.
So I was trying to get his pulse on for
going forward where he's at continuing to go to the
sixth inning, and he says, be okay, and so that
(07:32):
was that was good. But I'm not going to have
a you know, plan for five innings and then he
pitches well and say, hey, now you're going to go
six innings, and then you know, he's too important and
if something does happen, then that's on me for changing
and we haven't done that all year, So I'm not
going to do that right now. So yeah, I would
(07:52):
have loved to have him go out there. But if
the conversation was if he's efficient, he can go to
the sixth inning, that's a different conversation. But it was
a hard five innings and that's just the way it goes,
and guys have got to do their jobs just.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
To make sure that the conversation was not so much
about getting into for that start the future.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
For the future, Yeah, that's what my decision was already
going to be done. So I'm trying to get a
gauge on him going out there, and he's open to whatever.
But if I don't have that conversation, this is a
different situation. It's been different this whole year. And so
he's two players in one and for me to try
to do something and deviate and if something happens, then
(08:33):
we lose two players. And so if the conversation hasn't had,
I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
We haven't done it all year, so I'm not going
to do it tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's a night like this when.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
You start with head October at a raise, you had
the guys here, how far you from pushers?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Got?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I mean, if there's conversations that of the powers that
be at every and show he included, if everyone's in
the conversation saying hey, we'll push them, that's a different
convers But what I knew going in is that he
was going to be five innings.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So that's where it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Stops, okay, and that's where it did stop with a
no hitter. Now, people are upset. They actually bowed Dave
Roberts for taking Otani out of.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The game with a no hitter in the fifth, right, yes, yeah,
so like he had a no hitter in the.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Eighth, correct, Not like he had a no hitter in
the eighth. Now, I'll tell you what I think, and
I understand people are upset. You double down because of
what happened afterwards. And Otani was dealing. He really did
look good. So now when you think about the playoff
rotation and Andrew Friedman speaking of well he's one of
(09:47):
the best pitchers in the National League, Yeah, he really
looked like it last night. But let's be honest, he
wasn't going they were taking him out no hitter or not.
There's a bigger pro at the end. They're gonna take
care of him. They're gonna maintain his health. They're not
gonna do anything that could jeopardize who he is and
(10:09):
what he's doing. Right now, you make the argument, well,
he can go out there tomorrow throw one ball and
throw his arm out. He could, he could, sure he could,
but you try to minimize what could happen. So as
I surprised they took him out in that one bit.
I thought they would take him out. I didn't know
would be them, But I didn't think he was gonna
keep going for it. One more inning maybe and that
(10:32):
would have been the end of it. Rodney, did they
make the right move taking him out?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, whether you believe it or not, that's that's what
their decision was. So that was already determined before the
game started. You know, he's a different animal than than
some of the other guys. You know, decision to leave
Yamamoto and you know through eight and two thirds was
a different decision than Otani. You know, they they made
(11:01):
the decision if ya if Yamamoto is dealing and he's
you know, he's got a chance of the no hitter
and he completes the eighth, and are we gonna send
him out to the ninth because he's had one hundred pitches?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He's a different player. We have a different strategy with
this player. With Otani, it's different. They got to a
point and they knew what they were gonna do. Beforehand. Now,
if this was not a plan beforehand, and they haven't
shown this, and you know in the past, and sometimes
they've let him go seven innings, and sometimes they've let
him go to one hundred and fifteen pitches, and other
times they've taken him out after seventy five pitches. Then
(11:37):
you got an argument. But this is not anything different
than they've done all season long with him, and that
is their plan for him, regardless of him on a
way to no hitter. And by the way, it's in
the fifth inning, so let's not get crazy. Oh my god,
he had a no hitter going. No, wasn't like Yamamoto
(11:58):
who had the no hitter in the eighth and they
send him back out for the ninth. So just pump
your brakes, folks. They know more than us, They know
the strategy. They it wasn't a fly by night, fly
by the seat of your pants decision, Oh my god,
I gotta go take him out or should I take
him out? And should have not? It was already done.
(12:20):
It was already done. So the fact that the Dodgers
end up losing that game again allows people to pile on.
But relax, relax, there is a plan in place and
has been a plan in place, and they stuck to
the plan, you know, doing Hernandez. Interesting, he'll be on
the program by the way, two o'clock, he suggested. And
(12:40):
maybe Oltani brought it up because of the pitching situation
of the playoffs. Remember, if he goes in as a reliever,
you've lost the DH. So you've lost that spot. Uh,
he suggested. Maybe Oltani will play the outfield. Maybe maybe
play them in the outfield. Then if he goes into pitch,
(13:02):
you don't lose the DH. Play him in the outfield. No,
he hadn't played in the outfield all year. Old Tani
seems to be receptive to the idea. So then you wonder, well,
the Dodgers play him in the outfield. So you gotta
slay one hundred and fifty two games and then all
of a sudden, now you're gonna put him in the
outfield to play in the field to get ready for
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the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's what that's the strategy.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well that's what he's He's playoff.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's just ridiculous. That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.
You play one hundred and fifty two games, and you're
gonna now say let's put him in the outfield so
we don't lose the DH after he's never played the
outfield this season. Come on, what are we doing? I
(13:54):
know everybody wants to, you know, have the answer, and
I got to crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I know how to.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know, I can fix it, Like putting Mookie back
in right field is going to fix his hitting? Yes,
that's the answer. No, it's not. Again, they know more
than us. They've they've done the research and the homework
and spent the time, you know, constructing this team and
figuring out strategy. So to suggest that he go to
the outfield at one and fifty games is just absurd.
(14:23):
Unless he says I want to go to the outfield. No, no, no,
not unless Otani the manager and the picture now and
the DH and the coach and the DH. No. No,
that's the same thing as the picture saying I'm not
coming out of the game. Unless he decides he wants
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to come out in the fifth inning, then we'll take
him out. But if he tells me I'm not coming
out because I want to preserve the no hitter, then
I'm staying in.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, but I get the pitching situation's after saying yes,
he says unless he says I'm gonna play the outfield. Right,
if he goes to them and says, play me in
the outfield in case I have to come into relieve
in this game, and it's him saying it, and.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You think they acquiesced him and say, okay, yeah, sure, show, Hey,
let's put you in the outfield. Let's shitt you some
fly balls. Now at one hundred and fifty games in
go hit some go play right field. Go So if
we're part of the deal, is protecting him because you
got two players in one so put him in the
(15:35):
outfield is protecting him. No, but you would say, well,
you know it's the playoffs. Now, it's the playoffs. Different animals,
but not to you know, I would not not to
put a guy in a position that he had and
played all season long. No, I wouldn't say that. I'm
(15:55):
talking in terms of if if he's in the seventh
any now, if that bit, if that was the playoffs,
this was game seven last night, or a clinching game,
Dave Robins not taking him out of the game, agree
to let them go. So that's a different story him
pitching as opposed to putting him in the outfield. It's absurd,
(16:16):
it's ridiculous, it's juvenile, it's all of those things. Okay,
well you've summed that up nicely.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I will say.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Someone did ask Dave Roberts about this last night, and
here's exactly what he said about show. He said, he's
a great teammate, wants to help us win a championship.
So I'm all about it. I don't know if it's
going to happen. He hasn't played in the outfield, but
I appreciate the fact he's open to do whatever we need.
But I don't know how that looks. He hasn't taken
the fly ball all year, So if you listen to
what he's not saying, he ain't playing in the outfield.
(16:43):
That's kind of what I interpreted from that.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
An.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I appreciate he's being a great teammate, he wants to
help the team win, but no, not happening. It sounds
like he hasn't even been You hear about guys staying warm.
We have all these different gloves and field ground balls
or fly balls just in case I'm needed. Dave Roberts
just said he has it even done that he hasn't
even gotten fly balls and going out there and shagged
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, So what makes you Fred or anybody thinking that
he's gonna go play outfield?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
How much practice because he says he wants to.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
He's on Tony for good's sake. The last time you
seen him play the outfield, I can't remember.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
It might have been his seconds to last year with
the Angels, I believe you know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I thought, wait a minute, that's not fair. I think
I saw the impostor guy that wore his uniform for
picture they.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Play the outfield. Ask him, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I think that's the last time I saw him play
the outfield when the impostor was in there.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, certainly something to.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Kick around because because people are gonna start talking about it,
it's non starter.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And people talk about it because it's something to talk
about and try to get people riled up. But that
ain't happening. It's a waste of time, it's a waste
of breath.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I know what Andrew Freeman' said the other day. He
liked to see the rule change to where he can
stay in the game and be a reliever.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That yeah, but he said that's something they have to
deal with next year.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
You're right, No, he acknowledged it, and obviously they're not
going to change it now mid season. But he liked
to see the rule change to where if you're gonna
have a two way player, and I think for all
of baseball, if this is supposed to or potentially happened
again with another player, maybe a player is a reliever
and a DH not necessarily a starter. It would open
it up for that. So that could happen in the future,
but obviously that's not gonna happen right now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
All right, Dylan Rnandes will be on it two. He
wrote about it today and he'll talk about it. Just
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Speaker 3 (19:31):
So let's go Dodgers, come on, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Baxter Homes ESPN dot com wrote a piece about Kawhi
Leonard and the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It is very revealing interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It comes out now with the allegations that they tried
to circumvent the salary cap and that the Clippers allegedly
had paid a company X number of dollars who then
hired Kawhi Leonard as an endorser and then paid him
the money the Clippers paid so they could circumment the
salary cap. Now that is the story. Steve Baumer denies it.
(20:08):
The League is investigating. Pablo Torri had that initially, all right,
so that was the story. Now more comes out and
Baxter Holmes wrote a piece. It's very interesting share a
few parts of it. We'll talk about it first. Baxter
Homes suggests that the Clippers need to be out of
(20:29):
the Kawhi Leonard business. They need to be finished with it.
And a lot of the things that happened leading up
to this point. For example, and this is his reporting
when the club was interested initially in Kawhi Leonard. Dennis
roberts and uncle Dennis. We know his name. We know
(20:51):
that he spoke to the club on Coawhi's behalf and
also speaks to a number.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Of businesses on Kawhi's behalf. It's his uncle.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Here were some of the requests that were made part
ownership of the team, access to a private plane, a house,
and guaranteed off court endorsement money. That's the one that
called league officials because now we have off court endorsement money.
Steve Baumer denies it. One source with direct knowledge of
the talk said there were the same requests that he
(21:22):
made to the Lakers and Raptors. Robertson asked the Raptors
for ownership stakes and outside companies corporate sponsorship deals in
which Leonard wouldn't have to do anything in return for
the money. Robertson did not respond to requests on this story.
He did not respond to a request for comment for
this story where he asked that Leonard initially live in
(21:44):
San Diego rather than La Leonard would commute via helicopter.
He later moved to Los Angeles. I remember that, I
remember that coming up. I think the Clipper said, yeah,
if you want to. He wanted to see if Leonard
would be able to skip some media obligations and community events.
Clippers said, okay. He wanted the team to promise to
(22:04):
market Leonard individually. Apparently the Clippers agreed. According to the report,
he wanted Leonard to be able to bring some of
his own people into the organization, not unusual by the
way Clippers agreed. A team source did dispute the existence
of some of the requests in the tone with some
of the others. Okay, So that's kind of a headline
(22:25):
of what this piece is, and basically it is saying
that Kawhi Leonard has been difficult to deal with. Now
this has not been made public. It's interesting it comes
out at this time when the league is now looking
into these allegations.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Against the Clippers. What do you mean, it's not been
made public. None of this stuff's ever been talked about.
That's what I'm saying, none of this stuff. It's like,
now the league's looking into the Clippers and you find
this out. So yeah, first time I've heard a lot
of this stuff. No, No, it was always talk about
(23:02):
correct me if I'm wrong. They would talk about him
wanting a plane in Toronto. It was all this stuff.
That was all the talk back in those days of
them trying to keep him in Toronto, him wanting a plane.
They got Drake was involved in all of that because
he's a Toronto guy.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I do remember if I'm saying all of it, all
of it like, uh, you don't have to go to
media obligations, team community events things like that. I mean,
it's more of a laundry list here than the headline events.
And basically what they're saying is the Clippers. Also in
(23:43):
this piece it does say the Clippers are done building
around and Kawhi realizes that too. They basically say they
should get out of the Kawhi Leuner business. Whose they
uh nba GM.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
They say a lot some executives, they.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Don't put their names to it, but they seriously a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, they do like it, Yeah, they do, they do.
They are the syndicate. Well yeah, interesting, What are we
making out of this?
Speaker 7 (24:17):
What do we?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What do we What's what's the bottom line? Well, to me, the.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Bottom line is this, and it's something I really didn't understand.
I mean, I know they had they signed him, he
was the star. They were going to build around him.
I know all that, and I'm sure they acquiesced to
some things, as any team would for any star. So
we need to put that out there. Not unusual for
a team to acquiesce to some stars demands. They've heard it.
(24:43):
They're the star. But what I'm seeing, or what I'm
sensing after reading the whole thing, is that there was
more manipulation than you would think, and that the Clippers,
the Clippers actually worked pretty hard to keep him happy,
even when he was injured. They worked very hard. I
(25:06):
think this was far more labor intensive than I thought.
On the Clippers part, it seems like he was more
of a handful in a lot of ways than I thought.
If you remember during the Olympic trials, and this was
very odd. You know, he was hurt, he wasn't going
(25:28):
to play all of a sudden, he was fine. Remember this,
he was fine. Tyron Luke took over for Doc Rivers
on October of twenty twenty. He was a member of
the coaching staff. He stressed to Team USA officials that
Leonard knew his body and that if he wasn't healthy,
he wouldn't play. But lou emphasized that Leonard wanted to play.
Lawrence Frank and I remember this stressed the same. But
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Team USA officials were unconvinced, so they were trying to
lobby Team USA to let him play despite the fact
we know he wasn't really ready. He wasn't ready at all,
but they sure went to bad for him because that's
something he wanted. You can make the argument, well, you know,
that's his coach and the president of the basketball operations.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Of course they would defend their guy.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It just seems to me as you read through all
of this, there was a lot more to it, maintaining
and staying in the Kawhi Leonard business and keeping Kawhi happy.
There were a lot of asks. That's not unusual. People
can make asks. They don't always have to be granted.
But Rodney's I read it, and it is a long piece.
(26:39):
It really is. You got to read the whole thing
because it's pretty good. I think it's been I think
it has been a battle to be in business with him,
and I don't know, maybe it's like that with everybody.
But the feeling is they didn't get the return of investment.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Do they get out of the Kawai business?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No, they didn't. You know what I'm saying, What do
you think should they get out of the Kawhi business? Uh?
I think when his deals up, they should. Yeah. When
is this deal up? Well, two years, Kevin, I.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Think after next season. I believe after after this coming season,
also this season and then the following season.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right, two years? Right? Two years? Should they have two years? Yeah,
they'll be out of business with them then. So they
try to get out before that, try to try to
make some deal to get out of the Kahi business
before that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, next year is the year that they're going to
really be able to go into the marketplace during the
off season.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know. Maybe you try to get out then. No,
I'm saying, yeah, so do you do it before his
official deal is up? He said, to be able to
do what you need to do in the off season,
or do you wait till his deal is up and
just be out of the Kawhi business. Here's the dilemma
and cut and cut ties. Just cut the cord evenly,
(27:58):
smoothly and just move on.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, well, ideally that's what they'll do. But here's your dilemma.
They could be pretty good this year, and when he
was healthy last year, he was very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's safe to.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Say that they've not had a return, a huge return
on investment when they signed him.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right, So that would you get out of the Kawhi
business though? Would you get out of the Kahi business
what it deals up? Absolutely? But not before?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, the problem is what if they win this year?
Not this year, so they'll have one year left.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
I think the big question is somebody who want to
trade for him? Because that's history? So what is even
the return you might be getting the pennies on the
dollar because no one knows how much of even play.
So yeah, I mean billion dollars on a guy who
doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's just that's what I was trying to say. To
his price point. Let's say they have a really good year, Okay,
then and he played a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Anybody knows that. Nobody knows what kind of year it's
going to be. So you can't right now, right now,
are you convinced? And you are you saying that again?
You've got to factor all of that in whether you
know anybody's going to sign him. His health is all
those things. So you're probably not gonna be able to
get any kind of return if you do it now.
(29:16):
But you certainly are not going to get any return
if you wait to his deals up. So what do
you do now, Fred? You sit with him this year
so you do not get out of business with him
this year. So it's the old tawny thing. So you're
gonna let him go into the last year of his
contract and just let it be done with yeah, or
(29:38):
try to or not try to trade him, not try
to get something for him. No, because the last year
of his deal to trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
If somebody's a guy short and he's healthy and he
can be the difference, then you can probably get a
pretty good haul in return.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
He'll also be thirty five at that point, so injury
history and.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Think you're going to get a really good haul at
that turn, you know can be a different to make
or at the trade deadline. If he's that guy, if
he's healthy and he's that guy's Kawhi at thirty five. Yeah,
I think it's pretty good return on investment there, because
he could be the missing piece of a puzzle. So
you'd hold on to him. You wouldn't try to get
(30:18):
get I wouldn't move him this year.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
No, I mean you spent the off season trying to
build around him. You brought in Bradley Beal, you brought
back Chris Paul, so you you built the roster with
the designs that he's going to be here this year.
So I feel like it makes no sense to try
to cut bait. Now, run it and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know, Yeah, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And if it doesn't work, then then you know, look
the window for the Clippers. It's Steve Bomber's got to
be so frustrated. Clipper fans have to be so frustrated
because they have had windows, but they've never they've closed.
A lot of teams don't even have a window. Clippers
have had windows, but they close. Now if you look
(30:56):
at what they did this year, who they are that's
I mean, that's what why are we surprised. That's who
the Clippers are and who they've always been. You know,
they're they're one of those franchise can't get over the
hump and can't get out of their own way, and
sometimes snake bitten. Sometimes it's their their own doing, but
(31:16):
they're just unfortunately, one of those franchises can't can't get
and they can't even get lucky one year, which a
lot of franchises do and find lightning in a bottle
when they make a run and go win a title.
The Clippers have not been able to do that either,
and and they've had some pretty good teams. So you
know all of this. Are you again? You're out of
(31:41):
the you're out of the kawhi business. When loser draw
you agree with the article that yes, they could bait,
I'm done. And by the way, this is are you done?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You're done? Are you done?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Regardless of the season that happens this year, when it
steals up, I'm done. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It doesn't matter if they go deep, if they.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Go it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Up.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It doesn't matter. Okay, done, And don't blame Steve ball.
This is not Steve Balmer's fault. I mean because the
window keeps closing. He's certainly trying to put them in
a position to win. He's really committed and focused on that.
It's just one of those things. Maybe Rodney's right, Maybe
just snake bit. Whose fault is it?
Speaker 6 (32:21):
It is?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Always say, don't you always say?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Somebody gotta get it, somebody's got to get it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Who's get it? Who's getting it? Who's getting it? You
know what? While I mean, yeah, exactly who's getting it?
For it?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, you're not going to fire ballmer Lawrence Frank has
done a good job. Tyron Lewis coached very well. Maybe
it's as simple as you're right. Their snake bit, who
should get it? The person that named him?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
The Clippers.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
They need to change their name. God, I've said that
for years. Why would you want to carry that name
with you? What does it represent?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Seriously? Does it represent championships to you?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
When they built the into it them, they should have
changed them. And I know they said they did research,
and really the Clipper fans didn't want the name to
be changed.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Really change the name fresh Star. How many Clipper fans
said that, Well, apparently.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
They said they pulled the fans and the majority did
not want the name changed. I don't know where the
majority was or how many of them there were, so
they did not want the name changed.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
So you think by changing the name that magically changes
everything and they're a different franchise.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yes, I do, Okay, I think they needed to be rebroked.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
The Patriots were an embarrassment for so many years in
the NFL. Never changed their name. They'd run off a
twenty year dynasty. What does the name mean? It's just
the name.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, but that's a bad name.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Who cares? What does it matter?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What is represent Kevin? There's a lot of bad names.
When you hear Patriots, how does it represent? It's Clippers
in San Diego, the harbor down in San Diego where
all the boats sail and and it's you know it's
a beach city. Yeah, it's a clippers. LA could be
basically the same thing. You just moved up the road.
You're still on the water.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
H Well on that part, I mean the lake. How
many lakes are in LA?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (34:09):
That that booming jazz you know seen out in Utah?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Right?
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I mean names are just names it has, but it
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, you know something.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
When you hear in athletics the team named Clippers, you
don't think win. What do you think with the Lakers?
You think win well, even though they haven't recently. Yeah,
they've won championships. Yeah, but Lakers doesn't. It's not like ferocious.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
It's not like a name that oh yeah, this is
intense Lakers coming at you. Yeah, but it represents winning.
They've won.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Celtics have won, Yankees have won, Dodgers have won, Patriots
have won. Teams have won.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
I'm saying time they win. There's franchises that for a
long times, for whatever reason, don't win, and then they
do and they never change their name, right, so their
futility is not attached to what their name is.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
He just gave you sample to the Patriots, who were
the doormat for such a long time. They never changed
their name.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
The Nuggets sucked for years, all of a sudden, they
have the best player in the world and have won
the championship, have been to the finals.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Years years ago. They weren't awful when Dan Neissel played,
never won a title, though Fred came.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
And never sniffed a championship. Rodnie is like, yeah, they
were good but were they ever like a legitimate threat.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Never the Clippers were named the worst, not with Steve
palmert but for years they were the worst franchise in
professional sports? Were the Patriots O were the worst franchise
of professional sports? Probably clothes?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
People were wearing bags over their heads.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
The Saints, Yeah, I get it, the Saints were all
The Saints are a great example of Rodney at one
of the greatest quarterbacks of his era in Archie Manning
never won the thing and were terrible for forty plus years.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Until Sean pay got and they won a championship. But
I guess they should have chan their name too.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, or they should hire Sean Payton to coach the Clippers.
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Speaker 1 (38:06):
Okay, now our weekly chat with a good friend Jacob
and Ronni. Jacob, how are you.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Today, Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you good?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Doing good? Jacob? Jacob. We were talking earlier.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
About the the Clippers and Balmer and Kawhi and that
whole situation going down with aspirations who's now bankrupt basically,
and then articles were written that the Clippers needed to
just finally cut bait with Kawhi Leonard he's been injured
(38:41):
and now that's off the court stuff. Do you agree
with that? Do you not agree with that? And what
do you also think about all that controversy with him
and any endorsement situation?
Speaker 6 (38:53):
And that's pretty crazy. Obviously, Adam Silver has already come
out to say that they're going to relook at a
bunch of the rules regarding endorsements and in movement of
teams being able to invest in outside companies. I think
at this particular moment, the Clippers will be more than
happy if that contract is not there anymore. I think
that will end up helping them. I don't think they'd
(39:16):
be fighting that. But I think it's just so so
interesting to see the inner workings of you know, when
this process was going on and Magic has says this
multiple times. Magic thought he had this, you know, in
the bag for the Lakers, and you know, last minute
something changed, and now you get all the disinformation and
(39:38):
if you know, if you're the Lakers, you're saying, thank god,
we weren't involved in it, and you know we didn't,
you know, we don't have to deal with it. But
I just feel like in the bigger picture, you know,
somebody found something in some documents and opened up this door,
and I'd be really interested to see. You know, there's
a lot of conversation and top but I think you
(40:00):
actually get to see an investigation finish and give us
the real results. I think at that particular moment, I
think I'd be in a much much better, much better
position in order to make a judgment over it, because
you know, in today's media world and in today's you know,
social media worlds, so many things get thrown around. At
the end of it, only ten percent of it is real. Truth,
(40:23):
you know what I mean. Yeah, I'd love to see
what the NBA's investigation brings out.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And Baxter Holmes wrote a big piece on ESPN dot
com today just talking about and chronicling some of the
things that have gone on behind the scenes with Kawhi
the Clippers Uncle Dennis, and he said, it's time to
get out of the Kawhi Leonner business. That's what he's suggesting.
I have to be honest with you, and we talked
about it last segment. And two years will be thirty
(40:52):
five years old. I'd be out of that. I'd be
out of that business too. When he's up, he's done.
They would help him, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yeah, absolutely, it'd be a gift for them to be
able to get out of that business. But what does
that mean. Are they going to trade him by him?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
No, you know what, he's got two years, So what
you do is after this year and who knows, I mean,
they might have a pretty good year, but after this year,
you see if you can move them. Who's going to
take a guy making that much money with those injury problems?
Right then you try to get rid of at the
trade deadline. Maybe he's a missing piece of a puzzle.
And if that's not the case, when he's up, he's done,
(41:30):
and you move on.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's all I see it.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Well, I mean, only time will tell. I mean the
Clippers you know, have basically, you know, a very very
old roster put together right now. So maybe if they
do find an opportunity for somebody who's willing to give
up some young talents, maybe it gets mooved. You know,
(41:54):
why wouldn't he I mean, I don't think he's brought
him what they paid him for. So I think it'll
be interesting to watch that that came out of nowhere.
But yet another thing that we're going to look at
throughout this season.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Unfortunately, you know some organizations that follows you around like
that that you know, that fog, that fog that follows
you know in the old cartoon days where you see
that fog following the bad guy or following somebody that
just can't can't get over that home. So hopefully this
is something that they that it gets rectified. Uh, Jacob,
(42:27):
another switch in sports? Rams big game with the Eagles.
How you seeing it?
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Oh, I'm feeling good. I mean I got to tell
you have a couple of friends obviously that are on
the Rams, and you know, you talk to them all
the time. And when that year last year ended the
way it did, they all were hurting. Couldn't wait for
this year and be able to get a shot at
the Eagles again. Obviously Eagles are you know, an excellent team.
But I think you know, you get out there and
(42:54):
as long as Matthew Stafford you can keep them off
the ground, as long as you know, I mean, we
got uh, not only Puka, but now you have you know, DeVante,
you got a great running back crew. I mean, you know,
I think the Rams are really excited about this, and
now the weather is much better. It should have gotten
to win last year, and looking forward to it, there
(43:16):
is an exciting, exciting game.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Are you going?
Speaker 6 (43:20):
I am not going. No, I will not be there.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
All right, Well, I don't know, Jacob, what's what you do?
You know, everybody Jacob fired up the jet. Let's go, man,
come on, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
Actually I'll tell you I'll be in Chicago for the
Chicago game against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
So okay, So yeah, it was such a big stretch
Jacob to ask if you were going.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
I was just laughing because it was just interesting. I
got invited to be at that game, and you know,
didn't know that, you know, the schedule was going to
conflict with this one. But I would have loved to
be in Philly. I hear those Philly fans really welcome,
you know, the fans that win from out of town.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
With a right Jacob with open arms in the city
of brotherly love.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Absolutely, that's right, Jacob. Our listeners love and you offer advice.
Here's something we've not talked about. If you win a
big verdict, if you want a big verdict, what does
that really mean?
Speaker 6 (44:16):
Yeah, so, you know, obviously it's it's no secret, right
you're watching TV. Everybody puts up these big verdicts. You're
on you know, social media, everybody puts these big verdicts.
And it's just important to understand that, you know, every
client's case is not going to have the value of
a multi million dollar case. And I feel like, unfortunately
(44:39):
sometimes that is you know, fogging up people's expectations. And
you know, everybody believes that just because they're injured, they're
going to have a multi million dollar settlement, and it
just is not that, you know, at our firm, we're
more excited about, you know, the fifty thousand, one hundred
thousand or a couple of one hundred thousand dollars settlements,
(45:00):
because that is worth just as much to our clients,
you know as when we get a twelve million dollar verdict.
And you have to understand when you get a twelve
million dollar whether it's a verdict, whether it's a settlement,
whether you get a result, there's some major injuries that
no person should ever hope that they have. And then
you realize sometimes in the news, you know, somebody hit
(45:22):
for seventy five million dollars and people like, oh my god, Well,
most of those verdicts get appealed, and most of those
verdicts probably don't even get paid because they go on
appeal and it goes on for a couple more years.
So if you've been injured in an accident, you have
to be reasonable based on your injuries and what the
value of your pain and suffering is. And I think
(45:43):
that's an important thing to ask your attorney whoever you
trust to represent you. Make sure you have an understanding.
And if somebody gives you a number up front, I
would run, because no attorney can tell you when you
sign up with them after an accident, what your case
is worth. You know, a case is always evaluated based
(46:03):
on a person's injuries, based on their needs for medical care,
and based on how they feel three months, six months,
or nine months down the line. So you know, attorneys
who try to give those numbers to people, it's just
more of a marketing to get you to sign off.
You'd rather go with somebody who's honest upfront, allows you
to basically take care of your health. And however you
(46:25):
take care of your health. As an attorney, I know,
we take whatever our clients do, and that's what we represent,
and that's what you know we used to tell, you know,
the stories. So I just want, you know, our listeners
to not get so easily swayed by looking at big numbers,
because you know, there are some people that are terribly
injured and they deserve to be compensated for those life long,
(46:49):
you know, or life changing type of injuries. But you know,
ninety percent of the people get injured and if they
go to the right doctors and if they take their
health you're hoping that they recover and get paid for
their pain and suffering.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You know, jay I gotta be honest, Jacob, it really
kind of sucks when you think about it, that you
are you are paid based on how seriously you're injured.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Isn't that just the principle awful?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, you know what, you broke your leg, so you're
not going to make as much as if you broke
your back.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Isn't that then? Isn't that just terrible when you think about.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
It, Well, it's terrible, But you know, insurance companies have
made a living out of putting these formulas together that
if you break your leg, maybe your pain and suffering
is not as bad as if you break your back,
or if you have a meniscus tear, and that you know,
surgery is not as grueling as if you have to
(47:50):
get a you know, diskectomy, or you know, you have
to get a neck surgery. And those are the formulas
that insurance companies put into play every single day, and
those are the things that we have to battle through.
But you know, how a person recovers after their injuries
and the steps they take. I always tell our clients
is no amount of money is going to pay for
(48:12):
you to be healthy. So I always like our clients
we go to a doctor that they choose to go to,
a doctor that they trust, and they get the medical
care that they're happy with, and they say I've recovered.
At that point, when we get them their pain and suffering,
then that's above and beyond their health having been recovered.
And I think that's what every injured client should be.
(48:33):
That should be their number one goal is to get
healthy again.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
All right, Jacob, great advice, thanks for coming on. Great
talk to you stuff, Jacob.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Thank you guys. Take care.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Dylan Hernandez at the Times is going to join us
at two o'clock when we come back. Dan white Air
NBA Insider, we'll get more into the Clipper story. And
of course he was over in Europe watching Lucas, so
we got his take
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