September 17, 2025 • 33 mins
Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times joins us to talk about the Dodgers who have lost the first 2 games of this 3 game series against the Phillies. We get more into the Dodgers' decision to take Ohtani out while he was pitching a no-hitter. Adam Silver has taken some flak for saying the NBA is a highlight based sport when he was asked about the new tv contract and its various media partners.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five seventy l a Sports. Two tough losses in
a row for the Dodgers. They'll try to make it
right tonight if humanly possible, if the bullpen can hang
in Rodney. Yeah, yeah, we got gotta avoid the sweep. Fred,
That's that's the bottom line. Gotta avoid the sweep. And
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to me, I think, yes, the late innings the last
couple of nights have devastated the Dodgers, but I don't
think that really says talks about the overall picture. They
got to obviously shore that up, but I think the
Dodgers have outplayed them in the first two games and
certainly starting pitching wise, it has been been good for
the Dodgers. It's just the late inning. So gotta show
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that up, gotta win, gotta gotta not get swept and
try to find some rhythm in the back end with
the bullpen. I know that's easy to say, but you know,
and we're in late September or mid September, so it's tough.
All right, Let's bring on Dylan her name of the time. Stale,
thanks for jumping on here.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thank you for having me on, Okay, so what do.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You think given what's happened the last two nights, because
I think that has been disheartening for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, that's got to I mean, it's got to be crushing,
don't you think. I mean, I think especially last night,
you know, and it's one thing for them to kind
of like blow the lead right that, you know, you know,
after Otani came out of the game as a pitcher,
but the fact that he came back as a hitter
and then hit that home run that started that rally,
they tied the game, you know, and then to blow
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it again after that, to me, I think you kind
of felt the weight of all the previous you know,
blown saves and laid losses also in that. You know,
I think the because once you kind of tie that game,
I think the team kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Felt pretty good about itself.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Right, It's like, Okay, we've kept fighting, you know, we
haven't been discouraged, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, we got a.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Big hit from our our big guy, and we plod
our way back into this game and then you lose
it again.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think that this was this was a pretty painful
one for them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, And even when Dave Roberts came out to get Robleski.
You know how the pitcher always hands the manager of
the ball and the manager gives him a little pat
on the butt or on the back. Last night, Dave
Roberts just took the ball out of Robleski's hand and
he just walked off. I thought, now that's a problem.
That was, you know, a glimpse into body language.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you know, I mean I think the way I
kind of described it, you know when I when I
wrote off the game, you know, the com that's up
on the on our website right now is just kind
of like whenever he goes to the bullpen, he's basically
juggling sticks a dynamite, right, and you know, living like
that night after night. I mean, look, he gets paid
a handsome salary. I would trade places with him in
an instance that said, it's also got to be kind
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of extremely stressful.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's got to be, you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Know, probably at this point feeling like, I mean, what
am I supposed to do?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And you know, in fair or not? And I actually
think unfairly. I mean, he's taking kind of the front
of you know, I mean, to me, what stood out
to me about that pitching change was just the way
the fans reacted. I mean, they blewed the crab out
of him last night. And it's not really his fault
that this is all he has, you know. I mean,
I understand, Okay, well, Tony's got a no hitter. You
could think that, Okay, well, you know, Roberts obviously does
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have a his ship, you know, kind of giving guys
a cook. But this is clearly this is not a
baseball decision, right, that was a medical decision to protect
though Tani. They've been doing this the whole time, but
he's kind of become the face of this rite. Every
time the pitching change doesn't work, he gets blamed. And
so yeah, I could see it from his standpoint that
this has got to be extremely frustrating.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I here's the thing. There wasn't a person in
the city of Los Angeles that did not want him
to continue last night. I absolutely knew that would be
it for him. I knew it. It wasn't a question
in my mind. You could guess, you could hope, But
the truth of the matter is I knew that that
would be it for him. And honestly, I don't blame
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the Dodger's doing.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I don't either, you know, I mean this is
you know, it's interesting, right, I mean, o Toney so
gifted that like we kind of we we we can't
really view him through like a convention, like a conventional lens,
you know, and basically like what he's going through right now,
he's still kind of in rehab book right where they're watching,
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they're monitoring his pitch count, they're monitoring how many eatings
he pitched. I mean, they're not treating He's not like
fool boar yet. You know, now most pictures obviously they
would be in you know, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Or something on a rehab assignment doing this. I mean,
he's so good that he's basically.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Been able to rehab kind of at a major league level, right,
and so we kind of forget where exactly he is
at this point. And look again, like I said, this
was not a baseball decision. This was a medical decision.
And you know, again my guess is that you know,
they have obviously one of the you know, it's not
the best surgeon in the country, and doctor Neil ale
Tanski was one of that performed the operation. He's a
Dodgers keep doctor. I know obviously he's been involved in
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kind of overseeing all times rehab.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's probably a call that like right in a way
that elatrized me in terms of, you know, he gave
a team guidelines in terms of Okay, this is pusham
this much, just.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Don't go beyond that.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I don't know what people expect. I think people
get caught up in the fact that while he's pitching, great,
we need to see him. I don't want him to
come out of the game. But ultimately that's not the
plan here. Now, what was painful last night is they lost.
That's what was painful. As a matter of fact, I
think more people are upset and not seeing Otani keep
going for the no hitter than watching the Dodgers lose.
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So that's the mindset of the marketplace. The truth is
they're in it for the long haul. It really sucked.
They got beaten. The bullpen fell apart. But don't expect
him to go out there and go nine innings because Dylan,
it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, you know, And I think you know what is
interesting though, I think kind of after the game you started,
since some of that frustration from Oltani himself, right, and
you know, I think this is a guy that as
much as he's accomplished individually, you know, as much as
I think, right, he wants to kind of do things
that no one has done before.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
He is about winning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, we saw this clearly Anaheim, and you know
last night he kind of brought up I mean, he
was the one that brought this up, right that Hey,
we talked about maybe even be played in the outfield
so that you know, obviously the Dodgers are trying to
use him as started the postseason, but so that they
can also use him as a reliever. Because the way
that the rules are written at the moment, you know,
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if you if you start the game as a pitcher
and you come out, you can stay in the game
as a d ach. Now because of the language of
that rule, if he were going to say, start the
game as a d AH, pitch and relief later and
come out of the game as a reliever, well.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
The Dodgers lose a d AH.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So you know, Otani was explaining, Hey, if I pitch
and relief, say, you know, say I started a game
pitch and relief later in the series, I can stay
in that game if I instead of beat at the eighth,
I moved to the outfield, right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And you know it kind of this is the thing, right,
but because the team's not playing well right now, it's.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It does feel a little bit like, I mean, I'm
sending a little bit of the energy.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That he had when he was now.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Obviously, look, the Dodges are in a much better position
than the Angels ever were, but it's a similar kind
of energy where old Tohnie. I think it's kind of
starting to feel more and more of the burden, right,
Like I have to do more. I have to do more. Right,
as much as he did last night, right, F's five
no hit innings hit a home run, the reality was,
like you said, right, they lost. It wasn't enough, and
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so kind of the whole post game became about, well
how much more can you do?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Can you pitch six?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Can you pitch and relief?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And kind of in right as he was talking about this,
he raised his possibility of, Hey, you know what, maybe
maybe I can even play in the outfield so that
I can pitch and relief, you know, after I make
a start in the series.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
All right, well what do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I mean I think that this is uh, I mean,
I think it's just, you know, this is kind of
up to him, right because obviously if you extend him.
There's a reason the Dodgers have managed him the way
they have this year, and that is to kind of
protect his pitching future, you know. And I think he
signed with the Dodgers in a way because he could
have his cake and eat it too, right in that Okay,
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you know, you could kind of write ideally you would
be able to kind of go through this kind of
glorified rehab h and win at the same time. Now
it looks like he's going to have to because the
team is a play well prioritize one or the other.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't think obviously the team is gonna have it
have its opinion, you know, Doctor Elatridge will obviously have
his opinion. Dave Roberts and Riven they will all have
their opinions. I think it ultimately kind of comes down
to Otani because this is his career, you know, and
right as a professional. And I don't know that's the
kind of Dave Roberts about that. How much would you
weigh what old timey says, you know, where Robertson was
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avously a professional athlete. He don't more than anybody when
those quotes. Careers come to an end at some point.
You know, well, Khani is not that young anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He's on the wrong side of thirty now, like how
much right, And you know, you don't know how many
championship windows are going to be kind of open the
remainder of his career, and so really it's kind of
up to him to decide. I think whether okay, you
know what, you know, I want to make it easy
here or no, you're not easy, but I want to
be careful here because he to be careful so that
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I can guarantee that I can pitch kind of into
the future. Or is it going to be you know, hey,
you know what, this is my opportunity right now to
win a back right, he can be a back.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
To back champion. I want to go for it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Kind of one thing about Okani's history is that he
has shown the inclination to kind of go for it right,
even in Anah Right, and you know, we talked about
how they never had a chance even during the year
as he was there his last year.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
An keep in mind, what he did, right, if the
team was always right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Summer four or five games kind of out of the
last playoff spot, he did not take the day off
during that time. Right, there were times, right, there was
one start he out steeling in his fingers, came ask him, Hey,
do you want to take an MRI. He's like, no,
I want to.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I want to make you know, don't bother with it.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I want to make my next start, and came on,
this was gonna walk here. Right, we were already talking
about Okay, he makes five hundred six hundred seven million.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
One hundred million dollars in free agency.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He did not care. He prioritized the competition over everything.
So my guess is that like again, like once the
playoffs start, I mean, at the beginning, he might say like, okay, yeah,
let's it's kind.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Of way to see I kind of feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Once he gets kind of in the heat of competition,
he's gonna want to do everything he can. You know.
The Dodgers can, obviously, you know, give their payment, give
their input. But to me, it's going to really kind
of come down, or it should come down to what
he wants out of his career.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Are we prioritizing Otani over the Dodgers winning.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, I guess if you're not pushing him, you
might be right. But again, I think when you're asking,
I mean, he's already just doing so much, right He's
he's doing, he's carrying like he shouldered a workload that never,
you're right, really been done like kind of like in
the modern game, like at this scale, you know, and
so you're kind of venturing into unknown territory as it is.
(11:10):
I don't think there's a problem if you're like, Okay,
you know what, again, let's be careful with him, right,
I mean, he you know, because he is I mean,
this is this is another part of this too, right,
is that he is kind of the focal point of
their business right now. I mean, he has turned the
Dodgers into a legitimate international bread you know. I mean,
you know, as much as baseball teams like to think
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they're international, they're really not, you know. I mean, yeah,
some people in Japan might be interested from time to
time here and there, but he just really opened up
all of Asia for them, you know. And look, I
couldn't blame them from wanting to make sure that he
can continue to pitch, you know, next year and the
year after and the year after that. But you know,
so yeah, maybe a little bit, but I'm not really sure.
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You know, if it was another picture coming off with
Tommy John, I'm not sure they wouldn't be careful with
that pitcher. Also, you know, if there were sort of
white snow or Tyler Glass snow or Yoshnobiyamamoto, my guess
is that they would be equally measured in the way
they deployed him on the mountain.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Dylan, as you sit and watch the Dodgers and they
have been so up and down this year, and what's
frustrating to me now the last couple of games is
they have hit the ball, but now the bullpen collapses,
and I know the trade deadline, everybody thought Andrew Friedman
should have got out and done something. I don't. I
don't know if I feel that way, quite honestly, and
maybe I'll be proven wrong because you have the guys there.
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But as you've seen what's happened against the Phillies, do
you think the Dodgers have a legit shot to win
the World Series?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I think I have a shot, yeah, because I think
we're you know, and I think I said this on
your program before, you know, with the lineup, I could
see it coming together, right, if they're getting guys back.
You know, Tommy had been you know, I know he's
kind of hitt into some bad less as he's good back,
but he toughed out, you know, you got you know,
months he's back. I can see envision the line up
looking the way it should. The rotation same thing. I
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can envision that rotation being really really good.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The one problem though, is the book, right, and that
is how you know, I I was what I didn't
quite understand was this idea that like, Okay, well you
know PNNA Scott's going to come back, and Kirby Yates
is going to come back. Well they haven't been good
all year, right, and so I just kind of don't
That's what I didn't quite understand is I don't really.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
See how this bullkpen really kind of comes together.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Uh. You know, I'm not really sure they had the pieces,
you know, to begin with. And so now you're kind
of in this thing where you.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Know you're right. I mean, Dave Roberts might be kind
of getting set.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Up to be gravy little here at some point, you know,
because the decision skeys, right. I mean, it's kind of
ironic because in the past Roberts has been criticized for
points a starter or too early, and this year I
have a feeling that it could be the opposite. Right,
It's like, let's just kind of hypothetically say it's a
fixing of the game. You know, Blake Snell is a
five inning guy a playoff game usually, right, and so
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says the sixth inning Blake Snell's kind of running on
fumes at this point. Do you keep Snell in? Or
do you do you go to the bullpen to a
guy that you know, you don't really trust. I think
that becomes right. And before, you know, with with some
of the previous bullpens, they had that's an automatic, right
that that wasn't even a decision to make you go
to the pen because they had the arms in there.
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Right now, I'm not so sure, you know, And I
think that that the bullpen is kind of their achilles
heel at this point, and you know, you just hope
that you get I mean, they're they're gonna have to
get longer starters from their from their starters, longer starts
from the starters. You know, they're gonna need guys to
go six and sem consistently reduce the number of innings.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know that the bullpen is exposed, you know, hopefully
again you know, maybe Ocati can close out of game
or two. Uh, you know, throughout the throughout the run.
I don't think it's out of the question that that
can happen. But I do think that the bullpen makes
it a huge challenge, especially now that it looks like
they're gonna have to play in that wildcard round, because
that's one more round that you're gonna have to survive
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with that gold mat right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
All right, Well, Dylan, thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it,
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All right, So last night Dodger fans were pretty frustrated,
not only after the loss, but because of the fact
they took sho Hao Tani out throwing a no hitter.
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Now keep in mind he wasn't with two outs in
the bottom of the ninth, it was a fifth inning,
but still people were upset. Dave Roberts addressed the sho
Hao Tani situation after the game, Well, he wasn't gonna
go back out. We haven't, we haven't.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
We've been very steadfast in every situation as far as
inning for his usage from one inning to two innings,
three to four to five.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
We haven't deviated from that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So I was trying to get his pulse on for
going forward where he's at continuing to go to the
sixth inning, and he says okay, and so that was
that was good. But I'm not going to have a
you know, plan for five innings and then he pitches
well and say, hey, now you're going to go six
innings and then you know, he's too important and if
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something does happen, then that's on me for changing and
we haven't done that all year, so I'm not going
to do that right now.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So yeah, I would have loved to have him go
out there.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
But if the conversation was if he's efficient, he can
go to the sixth inning, that's a different conversation. But
it was a hard five innings and that's just the
way it goes, and guys have got to do their jobs.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Just to make sure that the conversation was not so
much about getting into for that start the future.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For the future, Yeah, that's what I My decision was
already going to be done. So I'm trying to get
a gauge on him going out there. And he's open
to whatever. But if I don't have that conversation, this
is a different situation. It's been different this whole year.
And so he's two players in one and for me
to try to do something and deviate and if something happens,
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then we lose two players. And so if the conversation
hasn't had, I'm not going to do it. We haven't
done it all year, so I'm not going to do it.
Tonight is a night like this when you start with the.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Head October kind of raise guys.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Here, how far you fishing that?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I mean, if there's conversations that of the powers that
be at ever and show here included, if everyone's in
the conversation saying hey, we'll push him, that's a different conversation.
But what I knew going in is that he was
going to be five innings.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So that's where it stops. All Right, it stops. Let's
get into it done, end of story. That's where it stops.
Don't even ask me any more questions. Five innings. We
talked about it before the game. That's where it stops.
What else do you need? Well, yeah, I mean, going in,
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that was the plan. I think here's the problem. I
think the problem was given the way the Dodgers lost.
I think I think that magnified this immensely. That they
blew a four run lead, Robluski got hammered, they tied
the game, and they lose another home run. I think
it all sort of compounded things and it increased the
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level of frustration. Interesting, if you goes eight innings of
no hit and they lose in a ninth, you still
feel the same way, or you feel bad. He's had
one hundred and thirty pitches and all of a sudden
he gives up the no hitter in the eighth, and
you know, so they pull him because he gave up
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the no hitter, much like Yamamoto and the Dieters still
lose because of the bullpen. Are you happy? Are you
satisfied that he was left in? Would you? As a
Dodger fan? By the way, he needs two days off
because his arm is flared up. Right, Here's what I
was gonna say, and I'll address it like this. The
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Dodgers really lost. That was a bad loss last night.
As a matter of fact, that's two bad losses in
a row because they're hitting. And now it's the bullpen
that can't hold them. But I really think in last
night's loss, people were more concerned that o'tani got pulled
from the game than they lost.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And I mean that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think people were more upset how could you not
let him go back out there instead of how the
hell did that happen? And the bullpen give up the
lead and you lose. I think that's the mindset. So yeah,
if he went eight innings and they pulled him out,
I think people would have been happier even if they lost,
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which makes no sense because at the end of the day,
O'tani's still going to pitch. But these games do matter,
and the Dodgers missed a chance to pick up another
half game on the padres. So to me, that's the issue.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
You think it's a combination of both, though, because the
issue is we know the bullpen has been so bad.
So when you have a starter who's rolling the way
that he was rolling, on top of the fact that
the bullpen has been so bad, it compounds on top
of each other. We have a starter who's pitching well
and you take him out for this bullpen who we
know has been blowing games routinely over the last couple
of months. So I think it's a combination of both. Yeah,
we want to see him chase history. That'd be great,
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but also consider the fact that our starters have been
great and our bullpen as not as starter is in
there pitching as well as he can possibly pitch, say
for a perfect game, and you took him out.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think that any other starter, any other starter, it's
a different story. So that's a non starter for anybody
to think about that. Any any fan the think that
there was any any question or any possibility for him
to go past five six innings, you're you're delusional. It
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was never going to happen. And he clearly said it.
It was never going to happen. If he's doing a
perfect game, it was never going to happen. So I mean,
that's that's end of story. You be mad, you be upset,
you can play armchair manager all you want, but collectively,
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as a organization, as a coaching staff, they decided of
the strategy. So what are we talking about, Well, we're
talking about frustration, or I think we're also talking about
the fact that O time, I don't manage, I don't
manage on frustration of the fans. I know, you know
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it's clearly what he said. I mean, Dave is so
diplomatic that you know it came across and he was
explaining it well. But at the end of the day,
I'll translate. I don't manage by the frustration of the fans.
I managed to win. I managed my club to the
best of my ability based on what I know about
my players. Period. I keep that with that, Or you
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don't like that, then you know, I'm sorry. I think
people believe when they go, yes, they want to see
the Dodgers win. I think on a day where Otani pitches,
in the fans mind, some of them, Otani is even
bigger than the Dodgers. He is the story, He is
the game. This is why I'm here. I just want
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to see him do everything. He is bigger, and I
think that added to the frustration as well. He's bigger
than what, bigger than the Dodgers to do what. He's
just bigger. He's the only I think, he's the only
reason I'm there. Yeah, Okay, So all the people that
came to Dodgers Stadium and leading attendance for all of
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the years except for the last two, what were they
coming for?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well, I think, well, I think they're coming for now Otani.
I think he is the story in their mind. So
those people that have been coming to games with thirty years,
twenty years, had season tickets, are only coming because it's now.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think on nights where he pitches, he is the
game in their mind. I'm saying it's wrong. I mean
the Dodgers lost the game. I think it's not true.
There's a certain selection of people that come for pitch, Yeah,
but their people have been in the stands Fredford for
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decades before Otanni got here. There are people that had
come to the games, not not just the see Otani pitch,
but before to see the Dodgers win because they're Dodger fans.
I think you're selling the Dodger fans short, that they're
only showing up because Otwani's bigger than the Dodgers and
they're only coming because Otani's pitching that night. I didn't
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say that when I said is the people there looking
it that way? I didn't say the only reason they
showed up people what people there to see it that way?
I don't see it that way. People that I know
that go to the games don't see it the understand
the people that are upset that they talk them out
after five innings. Those people see it that way.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Those people are upset because they had a chance to
quote unquote see history. Yeah, I think Otani is a bonus,
but it's great if he does it. But I think
it's great if anybody does it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Else Exactly exactly if it was Kershaw in that situation,
they would have been upset. Because anybody in that situation,
they would have been upset. People have been going to
those games, and you're saying that that the reason they
go is because Otani. Dodgers have led in attendance for
as long as we can remember, for the last twenty
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five thirty years, probably longer than that, they've led the
league in attendance, and all of a sudden, now the
people are showing up because it's just Otani. That didn't
make any sense. Fred Dodgers taking on the Phillies at
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
Come on, come on, come on, come on, by time
Flies on a Wednesday hump day. You're right, Freddy, it
might rain today, It just might. Let's go. Yeah, I
read it might could be a little little humid, so
and if it rains, is going to rain hard. Adam
(26:44):
Silver made a comment the NBA commissioner. A lot of
people were baffled by it. Asked about the league, he goes,
this is very much a highlights based sport. Highlights based sport.
A lot of folks took exception with that. And what
Adam Silver was trying to say is the NBA is
about highlights. That's how they sell the game. And he
(27:08):
also made a valid point that it kind of comes
at the expense of the live games. So when you
talk about viewership being down for NBA games, it's because
it is so highlight friendly. And because of that, Adam
Silver was asked about it, they got no little heat
(27:28):
over it. I don't know, it kind of makes sense.
The NBA is all about highlights. You can say every
sport is about highlights, but the NBA lends itself to
quick bursts of exciting things. Rodney, what do you think
it's trivial? I mean you can look at it in
(27:49):
several different lenses, and he says it's about highlights. I mean,
like you said, what sport isn't about the highlights? That's
what we celebrate, the highlights, right, So what are we
talking about? What do you think? I think there's something
to it. I think there's a concern about NBA viewership
(28:10):
despite the fact they signed an enormous rights deal, and
they signed that because they have a lot of games
and streaming services and a few networks have a lot
of time to fill. Yeah, let's listen to Adam Silver.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
There's a huge amount of our content that people can
essentially consume for free. I mean this is very much
a highlights based sport. You know, so Instagram, TikTok, you know, Twitter,
you name it, any service you know, there's an enormous
amount of content out there YouTube by another example that
people that is advertising based. This is a new world
(28:43):
now of streaming media. I think we're paying a lot
of attention to that. It was one of the discussions
we have with our media partners. I think not just
the cost of the games. I think most people are
conditioned to paying a certain amount for high value content,
but also the discovery of those games.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Again.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
You know, I'm a fan of many different sports, and
I think we've all had that experience where you're going
to Google to find the game you want to watch.
Because the world's changed. It's not just automatically in the
place you thought it would be. The ultimate answer is
we think a lot about it, and we know where
we have mass appeal. We on a global basis. You know,
we're literally reaching billions of people, and we don't want
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to disenfranchise people by working with partners that are creating
price points that make it inaccessible to them.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
And that's answer is to a question he was asked
about all the different media partners that they have and
how difficult it might be if you're on all these
different platforms for people to be able to consume games.
And that's when he started with we're a highlight based sport.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
The NBA has ninety million followers on Instagram, forty eight
million on x, twenty five million on TikTok, twenty three
million on YouTube. They got seventeen million on Reddit. They
get a lot of people that consume their content on
social media online a lot of people. And television numbers
(30:03):
have been an issue for the NBA, and it's because
all people stream so much of their content the way
they do. They're quite frankly, whatever the numbers are for
the NBA, whatever the numbers are for the NBA, does
it really matter. They got paid. They got paid a
lot of money. So I mean they can sit there
and go, well, you know, maybe viewership is down or
(30:25):
maybe at the end of the day, do they care.
They got all their money. It's the streaming service that
has to worry about that. So the NBA got paid,
and they also know their content is consumed on social media.
For them, it's wonderful. That's why it always makes me laugh.
You know, are numbers down, viewership down for the NBA.
(30:45):
They got paid, nothing's going to happen to them, and
they get their stuff on social media. But why did
they get paid? Well, I think they got paid because
there are a lot of games at a time where
the streaming services need to populate with local sports or
live sports. Hockey got paid, not like the NBA. But
(31:06):
don't the streaming services, I mean, don't they benefit from
having that partnership with the NBA for sure? I think so. Yeah,
So it's a trade off. It's just a different medium.
You know when you talk about highlights. Yeah, the YouTube
of the world, the Instagrams of the world, they feed
off of the highlights, and so yes, it's turned into
(31:27):
a highlight base. But they also need the NBA to
provide those highlights. So if you have a partnership, then
partnership is worth it regardless of how the consumer consumes it.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
It's it's like you know we do Every sport is
like that. What do you think the Dodgers have the
Dodgers squeeze play on Sportsnet that you can watch the
game and in less than an hour. If you miss
the game, you can watching it in less than an
hour on the dotty Squeeze play. You think they're showing
every inning of every game and showing a one two
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three inning where it's nothing, no action. Nobody got on
base No, it's they're showing the highlights. Every sport is
that way, right, But I think the NBA feels it
suffers more in live game viewing than the others. I
mean football, we know that's the monster that does really well.
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And baseball does better than it used to. I mean,
baseball viewers are up and that's considered really a regional sport.
But baseball's done a pretty good job. You know, you
might not like Rob Manfred for a lot of the
stuff he said, he's pretty smart. He's done a very
good job of building their image, increasing their brand. Hockey's
(32:48):
imagine brand is better. Just tough because the NBA, when
you look, when you compare it to other sports, you think,
oh my god, well the NBA should be doing X rating.
It doesn't, and it kind isn't. But it's good. The
streaming services are there because it's sure paid them a
lot of money. They made a hell of a deal.
They positioned themselves well. But because so many people consume
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just the highlights of the game, the NBA is flash.
You know, you look at three clips of an NBA
game and if those were the key moments, those are
the ones you won't forget. Baseball doesn't supply those kinds
of highlights. It supplies great moments, but I don't think
it's visually stimulating as the NBA, And that's why a
younger audience like the NBA consumes their clips and their
(33:34):
content on social media. All right, Ronnie, thank you, great
job today. That was good way to go, Ronnie. Kevin
appreciated thank you as well. Rodney will get them tomorrow, yes, sir,
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
AM five seventy l a Sports. Two tough losses in
a row for the Dodgers. They'll try to make it
right tonight if humanly possible, if the bullpen can hang
in Rodney. Yeah, yeah, we got gotta avoid the sweep. Fred,
That's that's the bottom line. Gotta avoid the sweep. And
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to me, I think, yes, the late innings the last
couple of nights have devastated the Dodgers, but I don't
think that really says talks about the overall picture. They
got to obviously shore that up, but I think the
Dodgers have outplayed them in the first two games and
certainly starting pitching wise, it has been been good for
the Dodgers. It's just the late inning. So gotta show
(00:43):
that up, gotta win, gotta gotta not get swept and
try to find some rhythm in the back end with
the bullpen. I know that's easy to say, but you know,
and we're in late September or mid September, so it's tough.
All right, Let's bring on Dylan her name of the time. Stale,
thanks for jumping on here.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thank you for having me on, Okay, so what do.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You think given what's happened the last two nights, because
I think that has been disheartening for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, that's got to I mean, it's got to be crushing,
don't you think. I mean, I think especially last night,
you know, and it's one thing for them to kind
of like blow the lead right that, you know, you know,
after Otani came out of the game as a pitcher,
but the fact that he came back as a hitter
and then hit that home run that started that rally,
they tied the game, you know, and then to blow
(01:35):
it again after that, to me, I think you kind
of felt the weight of all the previous you know,
blown saves and laid losses also in that. You know,
I think the because once you kind of tie that game,
I think the team kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Felt pretty good about itself.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Right, It's like, Okay, we've kept fighting, you know, we
haven't been discouraged, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, we got a.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Big hit from our our big guy, and we plod
our way back into this game and then you lose
it again.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think that this was this was a pretty painful
one for them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, And even when Dave Roberts came out to get Robleski.
You know how the pitcher always hands the manager of
the ball and the manager gives him a little pat
on the butt or on the back. Last night, Dave
Roberts just took the ball out of Robleski's hand and
he just walked off. I thought, now that's a problem.
That was, you know, a glimpse into body language.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you know, I mean I think the way I
kind of described it, you know when I when I
wrote off the game, you know, the com that's up
on the on our website right now is just kind
of like whenever he goes to the bullpen, he's basically
juggling sticks a dynamite, right, and you know, living like
that night after night. I mean, look, he gets paid
a handsome salary. I would trade places with him in
an instance that said, it's also got to be kind
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of extremely stressful.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He's got to be, you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Know, probably at this point feeling like, I mean, what
am I supposed to do?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And you know, in fair or not? And I actually
think unfairly. I mean, he's taking kind of the front
of you know, I mean, to me, what stood out
to me about that pitching change was just the way
the fans reacted. I mean, they blewed the crab out
of him last night. And it's not really his fault
that this is all he has, you know. I mean,
I understand, Okay, well, Tony's got a no hitter. You
could think that, Okay, well, you know, Roberts obviously does
(03:15):
have a his ship, you know, kind of giving guys
a cook. But this is clearly this is not a
baseball decision, right, that was a medical decision to protect
though Tani. They've been doing this the whole time, but
he's kind of become the face of this rite. Every
time the pitching change doesn't work, he gets blamed. And
so yeah, I could see it from his standpoint that
this has got to be extremely frustrating.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I here's the thing. There wasn't a person in
the city of Los Angeles that did not want him
to continue last night. I absolutely knew that would be
it for him. I knew it. It wasn't a question
in my mind. You could guess, you could hope, But
the truth of the matter is I knew that that
would be it for him. And honestly, I don't blame
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the Dodger's doing.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I don't either, you know, I mean this is
you know, it's interesting, right, I mean, o Toney so
gifted that like we kind of we we we can't
really view him through like a convention, like a conventional lens,
you know, and basically like what he's going through right now,
he's still kind of in rehab book right where they're watching,
(04:23):
they're monitoring his pitch count, they're monitoring how many eatings
he pitched. I mean, they're not treating He's not like
fool boar yet. You know, now most pictures obviously they
would be in you know, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Or something on a rehab assignment doing this. I mean,
he's so good that he's basically.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Been able to rehab kind of at a major league level, right,
and so we kind of forget where exactly he is
at this point. And look again, like I said, this
was not a baseball decision. This was a medical decision.
And you know, again my guess is that you know,
they have obviously one of the you know, it's not
the best surgeon in the country, and doctor Neil ale
Tanski was one of that performed the operation. He's a
Dodgers keep doctor. I know obviously he's been involved in
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kind of overseeing all times rehab.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's probably a call that like right in a way
that elatrized me in terms of, you know, he gave
a team guidelines in terms of Okay, this is pusham
this much, just.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Don't go beyond that.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I don't know what people expect. I think people
get caught up in the fact that while he's pitching, great,
we need to see him. I don't want him to
come out of the game. But ultimately that's not the
plan here. Now, what was painful last night is they lost.
That's what was painful. As a matter of fact, I
think more people are upset and not seeing Otani keep
going for the no hitter than watching the Dodgers lose.
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So that's the mindset of the marketplace. The truth is
they're in it for the long haul. It really sucked.
They got beaten. The bullpen fell apart. But don't expect
him to go out there and go nine innings because Dylan,
it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, you know, And I think you know what is
interesting though, I think kind of after the game you started,
since some of that frustration from Oltani himself, right, and
you know, I think this is a guy that as
much as he's accomplished individually, you know, as much as
I think, right, he wants to kind of do things
that no one has done before.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
He is about winning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, we saw this clearly Anaheim, and you know
last night he kind of brought up I mean, he
was the one that brought this up, right that Hey,
we talked about maybe even be played in the outfield
so that you know, obviously the Dodgers are trying to
use him as started the postseason, but so that they
can also use him as a reliever. Because the way
that the rules are written at the moment, you know,
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if you if you start the game as a pitcher
and you come out, you can stay in the game
as a d ach. Now because of the language of
that rule, if he were going to say, start the
game as a d AH, pitch and relief later and
come out of the game as a reliever, well.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
The Dodgers lose a d AH.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So you know, Otani was explaining, Hey, if I pitch
and relief, say, you know, say I started a game
pitch and relief later in the series, I can stay
in that game if I instead of beat at the eighth,
I moved to the outfield, right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And you know it kind of this is the thing, right,
but because the team's not playing well right now, it's.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It does feel a little bit like, I mean, I'm
sending a little bit of the energy.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That he had when he was now.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Obviously, look, the Dodges are in a much better position
than the Angels ever were, but it's a similar kind
of energy where old Tohnie. I think it's kind of
starting to feel more and more of the burden, right,
Like I have to do more. I have to do more. Right,
as much as he did last night, right, F's five
no hit innings hit a home run, the reality was,
like you said, right, they lost. It wasn't enough, and
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so kind of the whole post game became about, well
how much more can you do?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Can you pitch six?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Can you pitch and relief?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And kind of in right as he was talking about this,
he raised his possibility of, Hey, you know what, maybe
maybe I can even play in the outfield so that
I can pitch and relief, you know, after I make
a start in the series.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
All right, well what do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I mean I think that this is uh, I mean,
I think it's just, you know, this is kind of
up to him, right because obviously if you extend him.
There's a reason the Dodgers have managed him the way
they have this year, and that is to kind of
protect his pitching future, you know. And I think he
signed with the Dodgers in a way because he could
have his cake and eat it too, right in that Okay,
(08:20):
you know, you could kind of write ideally you would
be able to kind of go through this kind of
glorified rehab h and win at the same time. Now
it looks like he's going to have to because the
team is a play well prioritize one or the other.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't think obviously the team is gonna have it
have its opinion, you know, Doctor Elatridge will obviously have
his opinion. Dave Roberts and Riven they will all have
their opinions. I think it ultimately kind of comes down
to Otani because this is his career, you know, and
right as a professional. And I don't know that's the
kind of Dave Roberts about that. How much would you
weigh what old timey says, you know, where Robertson was
(08:55):
avously a professional athlete. He don't more than anybody when
those quotes. Careers come to an end at some point.
You know, well, Khani is not that young anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He's on the wrong side of thirty now, like how
much right, And you know, you don't know how many
championship windows are going to be kind of open the
remainder of his career, and so really it's kind of
up to him to decide. I think whether okay, you
know what, you know, I want to make it easy
here or no, you're not easy, but I want to
be careful here because he to be careful so that
(09:24):
I can guarantee that I can pitch kind of into
the future. Or is it going to be you know, hey,
you know what, this is my opportunity right now to
win a back right, he can be a back.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
To back champion. I want to go for it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Kind of one thing about Okani's history is that he
has shown the inclination to kind of go for it right,
even in Anah Right, and you know, we talked about
how they never had a chance even during the year
as he was there his last year.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
An keep in mind, what he did, right, if the
team was always right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Summer four or five games kind of out of the
last playoff spot, he did not take the day off
during that time. Right, there were times, right, there was
one start he out steeling in his fingers, came ask him, Hey,
do you want to take an MRI. He's like, no,
I want to.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I want to make you know, don't bother with it.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I want to make my next start, and came on,
this was gonna walk here. Right, we were already talking
about Okay, he makes five hundred six hundred seven million.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
One hundred million dollars in free agency.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He did not care. He prioritized the competition over everything.
So my guess is that like again, like once the
playoffs start, I mean, at the beginning, he might say like, okay, yeah,
let's it's kind.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Of way to see I kind of feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Once he gets kind of in the heat of competition,
he's gonna want to do everything he can. You know.
The Dodgers can, obviously, you know, give their payment, give
their input. But to me, it's going to really kind
of come down, or it should come down to what
he wants out of his career.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Are we prioritizing Otani over the Dodgers winning.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, I guess if you're not pushing him, you
might be right. But again, I think when you're asking,
I mean, he's already just doing so much, right He's
he's doing, he's carrying like he shouldered a workload that never,
you're right, really been done like kind of like in
the modern game, like at this scale, you know, and
so you're kind of venturing into unknown territory as it is.
(11:10):
I don't think there's a problem if you're like, Okay,
you know what, again, let's be careful with him, right,
I mean, he you know, because he is I mean,
this is this is another part of this too, right,
is that he is kind of the focal point of
their business right now. I mean, he has turned the
Dodgers into a legitimate international bread you know. I mean,
you know, as much as baseball teams like to think
(11:31):
they're international, they're really not, you know. I mean, yeah,
some people in Japan might be interested from time to
time here and there, but he just really opened up
all of Asia for them, you know. And look, I
couldn't blame them from wanting to make sure that he
can continue to pitch, you know, next year and the
year after and the year after that. But you know,
so yeah, maybe a little bit, but I'm not really sure.
(11:55):
You know, if it was another picture coming off with
Tommy John, I'm not sure they wouldn't be careful with
that pitcher. Also, you know, if there were sort of
white snow or Tyler Glass snow or Yoshnobiyamamoto, my guess
is that they would be equally measured in the way
they deployed him on the mountain.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Dylan, as you sit and watch the Dodgers and they
have been so up and down this year, and what's
frustrating to me now the last couple of games is
they have hit the ball, but now the bullpen collapses,
and I know the trade deadline, everybody thought Andrew Friedman
should have got out and done something. I don't. I
don't know if I feel that way, quite honestly, and
maybe I'll be proven wrong because you have the guys there.
(12:33):
But as you've seen what's happened against the Phillies, do
you think the Dodgers have a legit shot to win
the World Series?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I think I have a shot, yeah, because I think
we're you know, and I think I said this on
your program before, you know, with the lineup, I could
see it coming together, right, if they're getting guys back.
You know, Tommy had been you know, I know he's
kind of hitt into some bad less as he's good back,
but he toughed out, you know, you got you know,
months he's back. I can see envision the line up
looking the way it should. The rotation same thing. I
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can envision that rotation being really really good.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The one problem though, is the book, right, and that
is how you know, I I was what I didn't
quite understand was this idea that like, Okay, well you
know PNNA Scott's going to come back, and Kirby Yates
is going to come back. Well they haven't been good
all year, right, and so I just kind of don't
That's what I didn't quite understand is I don't really.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
See how this bullkpen really kind of comes together.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Uh. You know, I'm not really sure they had the pieces,
you know, to begin with. And so now you're kind
of in this thing where you.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Know you're right. I mean, Dave Roberts might be kind
of getting set.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Up to be gravy little here at some point, you know,
because the decision skeys, right. I mean, it's kind of
ironic because in the past Roberts has been criticized for
points a starter or too early, and this year I
have a feeling that it could be the opposite. Right,
It's like, let's just kind of hypothetically say it's a
fixing of the game. You know, Blake Snell is a
five inning guy a playoff game usually, right, and so
(14:04):
says the sixth inning Blake Snell's kind of running on
fumes at this point. Do you keep Snell in? Or
do you do you go to the bullpen to a
guy that you know, you don't really trust. I think
that becomes right. And before, you know, with with some
of the previous bullpens, they had that's an automatic, right
that that wasn't even a decision to make you go
to the pen because they had the arms in there.
(14:26):
Right now, I'm not so sure, you know, And I
think that that the bullpen is kind of their achilles
heel at this point, and you know, you just hope
that you get I mean, they're they're gonna have to
get longer starters from their from their starters, longer starts
from the starters. You know, they're gonna need guys to
go six and sem consistently reduce the number of innings.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know that the bullpen is exposed, you know, hopefully
again you know, maybe Ocati can close out of game
or two. Uh, you know, throughout the throughout the run.
I don't think it's out of the question that that
can happen. But I do think that the bullpen makes
it a huge challenge, especially now that it looks like
they're gonna have to play in that wildcard round, because
that's one more round that you're gonna have to survive
(15:06):
with that gold mat right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
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All right, So last night Dodger fans were pretty frustrated,
not only after the loss, but because of the fact
they took sho Hao Tani out throwing a no hitter.
(16:28):
Now keep in mind he wasn't with two outs in
the bottom of the ninth, it was a fifth inning,
but still people were upset. Dave Roberts addressed the sho
Hao Tani situation after the game, Well, he wasn't gonna
go back out. We haven't, we haven't.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
We've been very steadfast in every situation as far as
inning for his usage from one inning to two innings,
three to four to five.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
We haven't deviated from that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
So I was trying to get his pulse on for
going forward where he's at continuing to go to the
sixth inning, and he says okay, and so that was
that was good. But I'm not going to have a
you know, plan for five innings and then he pitches
well and say, hey, now you're going to go six
innings and then you know, he's too important and if
(17:18):
something does happen, then that's on me for changing and
we haven't done that all year, so I'm not going
to do that right now.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So yeah, I would have loved to have him go
out there.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
But if the conversation was if he's efficient, he can
go to the sixth inning, that's a different conversation. But
it was a hard five innings and that's just the
way it goes, and guys have got to do their jobs.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Just to make sure that the conversation was not so
much about getting into for that start the future.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For the future, Yeah, that's what I My decision was
already going to be done. So I'm trying to get
a gauge on him going out there. And he's open
to whatever. But if I don't have that conversation, this
is a different situation. It's been different this whole year.
And so he's two players in one and for me
to try to do something and deviate and if something happens,
(18:06):
then we lose two players. And so if the conversation
hasn't had, I'm not going to do it. We haven't
done it all year, so I'm not going to do it.
Tonight is a night like this when you start with the.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Head October kind of raise guys.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Here, how far you fishing that?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I mean, if there's conversations that of the powers that
be at ever and show here included, if everyone's in
the conversation saying hey, we'll push him, that's a different conversation.
But what I knew going in is that he was
going to be five innings.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So that's where it stops. All Right, it stops. Let's
get into it done, end of story. That's where it stops.
Don't even ask me any more questions. Five innings. We
talked about it before the game. That's where it stops.
What else do you need? Well, yeah, I mean, going in,
(18:59):
that was the plan. I think here's the problem. I
think the problem was given the way the Dodgers lost.
I think I think that magnified this immensely. That they
blew a four run lead, Robluski got hammered, they tied
the game, and they lose another home run. I think
it all sort of compounded things and it increased the
(19:22):
level of frustration. Interesting, if you goes eight innings of
no hit and they lose in a ninth, you still
feel the same way, or you feel bad. He's had
one hundred and thirty pitches and all of a sudden
he gives up the no hitter in the eighth, and
you know, so they pull him because he gave up
(19:44):
the no hitter, much like Yamamoto and the Dieters still
lose because of the bullpen. Are you happy? Are you
satisfied that he was left in? Would you? As a
Dodger fan? By the way, he needs two days off
because his arm is flared up. Right, Here's what I
was gonna say, and I'll address it like this. The
(20:04):
Dodgers really lost. That was a bad loss last night.
As a matter of fact, that's two bad losses in
a row because they're hitting. And now it's the bullpen
that can't hold them. But I really think in last
night's loss, people were more concerned that o'tani got pulled
from the game than they lost.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And I mean that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think people were more upset how could you not
let him go back out there instead of how the
hell did that happen? And the bullpen give up the
lead and you lose. I think that's the mindset. So yeah,
if he went eight innings and they pulled him out,
I think people would have been happier even if they lost,
(20:45):
which makes no sense because at the end of the day,
O'tani's still going to pitch. But these games do matter,
and the Dodgers missed a chance to pick up another
half game on the padres. So to me, that's the issue.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
You think it's a combination of both, though, because the
issue is we know the bullpen has been so bad.
So when you have a starter who's rolling the way
that he was rolling, on top of the fact that
the bullpen has been so bad, it compounds on top
of each other. We have a starter who's pitching well
and you take him out for this bullpen who we
know has been blowing games routinely over the last couple
of months. So I think it's a combination of both. Yeah,
we want to see him chase history. That'd be great,
(21:22):
but also consider the fact that our starters have been
great and our bullpen as not as starter is in
there pitching as well as he can possibly pitch, say
for a perfect game, and you took him out.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think that any other starter, any other starter, it's
a different story. So that's a non starter for anybody
to think about that. Any any fan the think that
there was any any question or any possibility for him
to go past five six innings, you're you're delusional. It
(21:54):
was never going to happen. And he clearly said it.
It was never going to happen. If he's doing a
perfect game, it was never going to happen. So I mean,
that's that's end of story. You be mad, you be upset,
you can play armchair manager all you want, but collectively,
(22:14):
as a organization, as a coaching staff, they decided of
the strategy. So what are we talking about, Well, we're
talking about frustration, or I think we're also talking about
the fact that O time, I don't manage, I don't
manage on frustration of the fans. I know, you know
(22:36):
it's clearly what he said. I mean, Dave is so
diplomatic that you know it came across and he was
explaining it well. But at the end of the day,
I'll translate. I don't manage by the frustration of the fans.
I managed to win. I managed my club to the
best of my ability based on what I know about
my players. Period. I keep that with that, Or you
(22:58):
don't like that, then you know, I'm sorry. I think
people believe when they go, yes, they want to see
the Dodgers win. I think on a day where Otani pitches,
in the fans mind, some of them, Otani is even
bigger than the Dodgers. He is the story, He is
the game. This is why I'm here. I just want
(23:18):
to see him do everything. He is bigger, and I
think that added to the frustration as well. He's bigger
than what, bigger than the Dodgers to do what. He's
just bigger. He's the only I think, he's the only
reason I'm there. Yeah, Okay, So all the people that
came to Dodgers Stadium and leading attendance for all of
(23:41):
the years except for the last two, what were they
coming for?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well, I think, well, I think they're coming for now Otani.
I think he is the story in their mind. So
those people that have been coming to games with thirty years,
twenty years, had season tickets, are only coming because it's now.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think on nights where he pitches, he is the
game in their mind. I'm saying it's wrong. I mean
the Dodgers lost the game. I think it's not true.
There's a certain selection of people that come for pitch, Yeah,
but their people have been in the stands Fredford for
(24:22):
decades before Otanni got here. There are people that had
come to the games, not not just the see Otani pitch,
but before to see the Dodgers win because they're Dodger fans.
I think you're selling the Dodger fans short, that they're
only showing up because Otwani's bigger than the Dodgers and
they're only coming because Otani's pitching that night. I didn't
(24:42):
say that when I said is the people there looking
it that way? I didn't say the only reason they
showed up people what people there to see it that way?
I don't see it that way. People that I know
that go to the games don't see it the understand
the people that are upset that they talk them out
after five innings. Those people see it that way.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Those people are upset because they had a chance to
quote unquote see history. Yeah, I think Otani is a bonus,
but it's great if he does it. But I think
it's great if anybody does it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Else Exactly exactly if it was Kershaw in that situation,
they would have been upset. Because anybody in that situation,
they would have been upset. People have been going to
those games, and you're saying that that the reason they
go is because Otani. Dodgers have led in attendance for
as long as we can remember, for the last twenty
(25:30):
five thirty years, probably longer than that, they've led the
league in attendance, and all of a sudden, now the
people are showing up because it's just Otani. That didn't
make any sense. Fred Dodgers taking on the Phillies at
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
Come on, come on, come on, come on, by time
Flies on a Wednesday hump day. You're right, Freddy, it
might rain today, It just might. Let's go. Yeah, I
read it might could be a little little humid, so
and if it rains, is going to rain hard. Adam
(26:44):
Silver made a comment the NBA commissioner. A lot of
people were baffled by it. Asked about the league, he goes,
this is very much a highlights based sport. Highlights based sport.
A lot of folks took exception with that. And what
Adam Silver was trying to say is the NBA is
about highlights. That's how they sell the game. And he
(27:08):
also made a valid point that it kind of comes
at the expense of the live games. So when you
talk about viewership being down for NBA games, it's because
it is so highlight friendly. And because of that, Adam
Silver was asked about it, they got no little heat
(27:28):
over it. I don't know, it kind of makes sense.
The NBA is all about highlights. You can say every
sport is about highlights, but the NBA lends itself to
quick bursts of exciting things. Rodney, what do you think
it's trivial? I mean you can look at it in
(27:49):
several different lenses, and he says it's about highlights. I mean,
like you said, what sport isn't about the highlights? That's
what we celebrate, the highlights, right, So what are we
talking about? What do you think? I think there's something
to it. I think there's a concern about NBA viewership
(28:10):
despite the fact they signed an enormous rights deal, and
they signed that because they have a lot of games
and streaming services and a few networks have a lot
of time to fill. Yeah, let's listen to Adam Silver.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
There's a huge amount of our content that people can
essentially consume for free. I mean this is very much
a highlights based sport. You know, so Instagram, TikTok, you know, Twitter,
you name it, any service you know, there's an enormous
amount of content out there YouTube by another example that
people that is advertising based. This is a new world
(28:43):
now of streaming media. I think we're paying a lot
of attention to that. It was one of the discussions
we have with our media partners. I think not just
the cost of the games. I think most people are
conditioned to paying a certain amount for high value content,
but also the discovery of those games.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Again.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
You know, I'm a fan of many different sports, and
I think we've all had that experience where you're going
to Google to find the game you want to watch.
Because the world's changed. It's not just automatically in the
place you thought it would be. The ultimate answer is
we think a lot about it, and we know where
we have mass appeal. We on a global basis. You know,
we're literally reaching billions of people, and we don't want
(29:20):
to disenfranchise people by working with partners that are creating
price points that make it inaccessible to them.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
And that's answer is to a question he was asked
about all the different media partners that they have and
how difficult it might be if you're on all these
different platforms for people to be able to consume games.
And that's when he started with we're a highlight based sport.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
The NBA has ninety million followers on Instagram, forty eight
million on x, twenty five million on TikTok, twenty three
million on YouTube. They got seventeen million on Reddit. They
get a lot of people that consume their content on
social media online a lot of people. And television numbers
(30:03):
have been an issue for the NBA, and it's because
all people stream so much of their content the way
they do. They're quite frankly, whatever the numbers are for
the NBA, whatever the numbers are for the NBA, does
it really matter. They got paid. They got paid a
lot of money. So I mean they can sit there
and go, well, you know, maybe viewership is down or
(30:25):
maybe at the end of the day, do they care.
They got all their money. It's the streaming service that
has to worry about that. So the NBA got paid,
and they also know their content is consumed on social media.
For them, it's wonderful. That's why it always makes me laugh.
You know, are numbers down, viewership down for the NBA.
(30:45):
They got paid, nothing's going to happen to them, and
they get their stuff on social media. But why did
they get paid? Well, I think they got paid because
there are a lot of games at a time where
the streaming services need to populate with local sports or
live sports. Hockey got paid, not like the NBA. But
(31:06):
don't the streaming services, I mean, don't they benefit from
having that partnership with the NBA for sure? I think so. Yeah,
So it's a trade off. It's just a different medium.
You know when you talk about highlights. Yeah, the YouTube
of the world, the Instagrams of the world, they feed
off of the highlights, and so yes, it's turned into
(31:27):
a highlight base. But they also need the NBA to
provide those highlights. So if you have a partnership, then
partnership is worth it regardless of how the consumer consumes it.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
It's it's like you know we do Every sport is
like that. What do you think the Dodgers have the
Dodgers squeeze play on Sportsnet that you can watch the
game and in less than an hour. If you miss
the game, you can watching it in less than an
hour on the dotty Squeeze play. You think they're showing
every inning of every game and showing a one two
(32:07):
three inning where it's nothing, no action. Nobody got on
base No, it's they're showing the highlights. Every sport is
that way, right, But I think the NBA feels it
suffers more in live game viewing than the others. I
mean football, we know that's the monster that does really well.
(32:28):
And baseball does better than it used to. I mean,
baseball viewers are up and that's considered really a regional sport.
But baseball's done a pretty good job. You know, you
might not like Rob Manfred for a lot of the
stuff he said, he's pretty smart. He's done a very
good job of building their image, increasing their brand. Hockey's
(32:48):
imagine brand is better. Just tough because the NBA, when
you look, when you compare it to other sports, you think,
oh my god, well the NBA should be doing X rating.
It doesn't, and it kind isn't. But it's good. The
streaming services are there because it's sure paid them a
lot of money. They made a hell of a deal.
They positioned themselves well. But because so many people consume
(33:11):
just the highlights of the game, the NBA is flash.
You know, you look at three clips of an NBA
game and if those were the key moments, those are
the ones you won't forget. Baseball doesn't supply those kinds
of highlights. It supplies great moments, but I don't think
it's visually stimulating as the NBA, And that's why a
younger audience like the NBA consumes their clips and their
(33:34):
content on social media. All right, Ronnie, thank you, great
job today. That was good way to go, Ronnie. Kevin
appreciated thank you as well. Rodney will get them tomorrow, yes, sir,
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