Tyler Glasnow and the Dodgers missed out on a potential combined no-hitter but the Dodgers did pick up a 3-1 win over the Rockies? Considering how shaky the backend of the Dodger bullpen has been, should the Dodgers shake things up and give guys like Dreyer and Henriquez the chance to pitch in high leverage situations? Adam Auslund has an update on the Kawhi/Ballmer/Aspiration controversy
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, yes, here we go, Here we go, here we go,
Rogan and Roddy, Adam Auslin and for Fred Today, we
got a lot to talk about, lots to talk about.
Dodgers played last night, got to win. We'll get into that. Also,
Monday night football Bears Vikings, exciting finished, two young quarterbacks
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going at it. We'll get into that as well. Second hour,
Bill Plunkett is gonna join us to talk more about
the Dodgers and everything else, and then we'll have Vinnie
Bonzignor to help us break down Week one in the
NFL in the in the last hour also and sometime
this hour or I think the second segment or so.
I think we're gonna take your calls. Uh. And we're
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gonna take your calls because of what we're about to
talk about right now, and that is although the Dodgers won, Adam, Huh,
we're still talking about the bullpen. We're still talking about
the bullpen and Tanner Scott and what do they do
going into October October? How do they shake it up?
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Or do they shake it up? But let's first start
talking about Tyler Glass now, because he had a phenomenal
night and he's had some great outings this year. It's
just the Dodger offense, which we've talked about all season long,
has not given their pitchers enough run support.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Starting pitching has been there, it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Has, it really has been there, and but the run
support has not been there. And last night Glass now
he took a no hitter into the seventh and then
trying it comes in, gets it at one, two, three,
and then the bullpen Tannis come blow's a no hitter,
combined no hitter. I should say I've seen before. I know, right,
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Glass now look good. Now there are some because we
saw this not too long ago with Yamamoto. Right, Yamamoto
throwing a no hitter into the eighth three days ago,
they let him go into the ninth, eight and two
thirds before the Dodgers actually not only blow the no hitter,
they blow the game. So last night Glass now is
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doing the same thing. And many people this morning, Adam
are upset that Dave Roberts did not let him go
to try to complete that game and get the full
no hitter himself. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I gotta be honest. First of all, Tyler Glass now win, healthy,
is dominant, He's got Hall of Fame stuff, you saw
it last night. Eleven K's goes seven innings. But first
of all, he has to want the ball. If anything,
he probably looked like he was relieved that he was
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going out of the game, that he was good, that
his nighting was over. I think he found I'm getting
out healthy, good, I'm one hundred and five pitches. I'm healthy.
The back that tightened up on him in Baltimore, it
looked like he's fine out there. But I got news
for you. If a guy is brittle, even when you
baby him, there's an even better chance he gets hurt
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when you don't. If you push a guy like that,
this idea that Nolan Ryan, you got to build up
your strength, you gotta throw more innings, you got to
build up those calluses. Maybe that works for some guys,
but we have a long history with Tyler glas Now
and he is not that he's been injury plagued his
entire career. They've tried everything with him. I think the
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best you can do is get in, get out, because likely,
if anything, he's gonna end up pulling something if you
don't pull him out of the ballgame fast enough. I
understand you want to see a no hitter. This was
the first time in what League history, I think, yes,
the first time on record to lose a no hit
bid in the ninth twice in a three game span.
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The Dodgers have that dubious record. Now, after what happened
Saturday and last night, are.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You saying, oh, letbe just get this straight.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That you're okay with him coming out of the game
or them taking him out of the game. But it
sounded like you think Tyler Glass now was okay with it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
He says, doesn't look like he was fighting for the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay with it? Because we've seen guys in the past,
whether it be Kershaw, We've seen it from Oral back
in the day. We've seen it from a lot of
guys Clemens and the you know, the big timers. We
even saw it from Trying and in the World Series
when Day went out to get him and trying and say,
I got this guy, rich Hill, Rich Hill. But we
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saw the opposite of rich Hill. Rich Hill came out.
He's like, come get me, take a look at me.
And he was like when somebody says that and you
gotta go.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh, it's time. Boston.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
He was Boston he was no, but that's the time
he was. He said, if you remember, he said, just
keep an eye on me, fair, keep an eye.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
On keep an eye on Dick Mountain.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So so so if if you're you're, you gotta going
through seven, you gotta let him go. You gotta get it.
And to me, you gotta let him go based on
what happened three nights ago. To Yamamoto, Oh you're still
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chasing that one. Yes, And if I'm Glass, I was like,
get the get your ass back in the dugout.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm going, Okay, that's you going, that's you. I'm Deed Glass.
Now is he demonstrative like that at all? He was
ready to give the hugs. Hey, great outing, right guys.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And I think he's thinking about it. And I know
where the Dodgers are, and look, I get both sides
of this. I'm just thinking, in the moment, given what happened,
Dodgers need a spark. Dodgers need something to light their fire.
They need something to catapult them into the playoffs. He
throws a no hitter. He throws a no hitter in
that game at home. What do you think that does
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for the energy, not only of the crowd, but the
team itself, they get behind him. Now it's another thing.
I think they were thinking, to your point, we just
give it up a no hitter two nights ago, three
nights ago. We can't. We can't allow that to happen
again to Tyler. We can't let him go. And this
happened again. So let's let's get him out of here now.
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And I do believe that the injury factor has probably
something to do with it, because he has had that
those injuries over the years, and but when he he's
going like that and he hasn't shown any signs of
injury during the course of the game, I think you
gotta let him go. At him, I think you really
got to let him go. If for anything, like we've
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been saying for the last month and a half, something
has to happen with this team. There has to be
a shift in the cosmic air or whatever has to
happen to get them out of this funk that they're in.
And I don't know if it's something dramatic, but that
would have been a dramatic moment at home to say, Okay,
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now we're going here we go. Now we're going I
just do a no hitter. Let's get behind that and
let's go get ready for the playoffs. That's all I'm
saying from a momentum standpoint. Yes, they ended up winning
the game, but it was a letdown because they gave
up the no hitter to combine no hitter. But man,
I would have loved to see him go.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I get the perspective. Fans felt like that. David Vasse
felt like that post game on Dodger's Talk. You just know, though,
with Tyler Glass, now his body is a ticking time bomb.
You get in, get out, and hope everything is okay
with him, because if he gets hurt with three weeks
before the post what.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He's a number then? So is it eighty pitches? Hundred pitches?
Because he went over? Right? So why didn't they take
him out in the six? If they're worried about, oh
we got to protect Glass, now take him out in
the sixth inning, not the seven. I mean, how long
do you let what is the formula to letting him
go as long as he did? He went over one
hundred pitches, so what's another twenty more?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Adham I didn't hear from Dave Roberts if he checked
in with him to see if he was willing to
go further, but you looked like a guy that was
being somebody that was going to stay out there on
the mound and die on that hill and defend his
right to go for the no hitter. He looked pretty
content with getting through seven innings, considering he just came
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back off the back of So it's to me it
starts with that. If Tyler Lsnow was fighting for his
spot to stay out there, then okay, now we can
have that conversation. And if he wants to put it,
push it to one hundred and twenty pitches, maybe that's
in the cards. But again, the Dodgers aren't going to
be defined this season by what happens right now. And
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even if that no hitter built some momentum up, how
much is it really worth. Momentum is as good as
your next starting pitcher, That's what we like to say.
How much is that really going to turn the tide?
Getting a no hitter against the Colorado Rockies? Is that
gonna save them? What's gonna save them is winning the
World Series and being able to defy all the detractors
and doubters right now that think this Dodgers team is
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in a tailspin. Well, that's what's going to define this season,
whether or not they win the World Series, not a
no hitter in September. So I'm playing for that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I know. But it's like any sport, Adam, and you're
you're very in tune with the Clippers and basketball and everything,
you know, and the guy's off and he's shooting, and
he's shooting and he's shooting, and all of a sudden
he sees that one go in. Meba, see get fould
he get to the free throw on just to see
the ball go in. Once the ball goes in, Okay, now,
and now I found it again. One shot hot, one
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shot hot. And so the same thing in football. You know,
the receivers got the drops of the yips or whatever
he's got, all he knows, he catches one more and
all of a sudden, now I got my confidence back.
So all I'm saying is for the Dodger, and I
agree with you that going forward, it doesn't matter what
happens on September eighth, It really doesn't. It is about
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the playoffs and how they perform once they get there,
and if something were to happen to Glass now because
they let him go. Then they'll be kicking themselves in
October because he's not available. Right But that could have
happened in the fifth inning. That could have happened in
the fourth. You don't know, you don't. No one has
to hit the ball of when that's gonna happen. He's
come out of the game in the first inning this year,
he's coming out of the game in the second end because
he's got back tight. He didn't start when game in
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the morning because he had some stiffness or whatever he
had and he couldn't go. So all those things could
happen at any moment. All I'm saying is the Dodgers
have been searching. They've been searching all season long for
that spark, that momentum, that thing, that that magic that
they had last year, whether it be Mooky, whether it
be the bullpen. You know, starting pitcher has come on
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and been great, but they've had their downside. Mookie was
trying everything. Finally something happened and clicked and he got
it going again. We don't know what that is, and
so maybe this would have been that moment of Okay,
here we go our guy through a no no And
this is exactly the excitement we need to get Max
Bunsey coming back again. Blah blah blah. It could have
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been something in a season where they need something going
into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'll say this, Mooky had the biggest hit of the game,
the two run, two out hit that he got for
them that eventually won it for him. What he's doing
right now is real. I think he's been hitting three
thirty over the last month with five jacks. They do
need a little bit of a momentum shift. I don't
know if the no hitter from a starting pitcher that
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goes once every five days is going to be enough
for them. But I understand the argument because I think
when people look at something like last night, it's not
just about Tyler Glass now, it's about Ross stripling back
in twenty sixteen. It's about a track record of Dave
Roberts pooling guys that we're on the hill pitching well
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no hitter territory, and he ends up taking them out early.
Because people think it's perceived, pitch count, analytics, all these
things that didn't used to happen back in their day,
and therefore they push back against it. I get that
part of it, but the difference between Tyler Glass now
and you can say, oh, get hurt in the first
inning or the fifth inning, Well, how much is Dave
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Roberts going to be scrutinized for that versus pushing things
to one hundred and twenty pitchers or more?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, they would have killed him. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So it's understandable if a guy gets hurt early on
and there's no criticism on the manager in that case
because it was unpredictable. This in this case, if he
starts trying to go longer than he should just to
chase a no hitter and gets hurt and is out
for the postseason. Again, now you're kicking your own ass.
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Now you are the problem, and there would be heavy
criticism on Dave Roberts.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Do you think here's my thing? Is that? And I
get it. Glass now has been in and out, especially
in recent time. He's been in and out with some
little nagging things. He didn't go get Yamamoto until Yamamoto
gave up the home run. You know, he let him
go three nights ago. So the argument of sayn he
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doesn't let guys go, And let me ask you this,
if Kershaw is in the same situation, does he go
get Kershaw said, don't you even come out of the dugout?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He's fighting for that hill. Yeah, he's not coming off
the mounds. But given his age, no.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Hit going through seven, is he coming out?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They don't have the track record that Tyler glasnow has.
I mean it's not even just this season with him,
it's his entire career and any little tweak with him.
David Vassay has been talking about it. I heard him
all with Petro some Money yesterday saying, hey, the weather
looks good, perfect conditions, everything's just right. That means Tyler
should be ready to go tonight, because that's usually how
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it works with him. I've heard Fred call him soft.
This is a different cat, and when he's oh he's great,
Yeah he's domina. That's that's the infuriating or confounding, frustrating
part with him. You know how talented and how good
he can be, but it's these little things and at times,
especially earlier this season, the rain. Where was that in Philly?
I forget maybe in Chicago that seemed to knock him
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off his game and then his own mental psyche. At times,
it seems like he gets in his own head a
little bit. It's all these other things outside of what
his actual arm can do when he's right on the mound.
That's what's tough with him. Now. Speaking of I guess
there's another guy that might be in his head a
little bit, and that's the guy who blew the no
hit or did not blow the game this time in
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Tanner Scott Rodney, how are you feeling about the bullpen
and him still being the closer right now?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not so good? Not so good? And I know they
signed him to the big deal, and this is a
guy I think people forget because it's all about recency, biased,
but this is a guy that was lights out last year,
last couple of years, and everybody wanted him and everybody
was excited for the season to get him. And look,
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in sports, you have up and down years, you know,
even the best have years or they're not at their best.
This has been a This has been a very rough
year for Tanner Scott and he even said it the
other day, the baseball hates me, you know. And when
you're feeling like that, you start to wonder about the
guy's psyche as you tried him back out there. But
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I don't know, Adam, if I if I continue, what
did they got about eighteen games left?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think eighteen seven against the Giants, by the way,
once twelve before on a roll.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, So I don't know if I give him more
than two more opportunities going into the playoffs, because you
got to get ready for that guy. And Dave Roberts
had talked about this. We got to have the guys
that I trust, that we trust out there, and at
this point, you can't. You can't do that, especially against
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a team. Think about it. It's Colorado. And I know
everybody's got players, but Colorado. You're going you got a
three run league with a no hitter.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Lay yea in their place where there's a you know,
Grand Canyon out there, and it's all over the place.
It's Colorado, and you can't shut it down for no hitter.
And that doesn't give you that kind of motivation to
come in there. I'm shutting this bad boy down, all right.
I'm I'm gonna preserve this no hitter because Glass now
and trying and did their thing. Now it's my turn.
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I don't know if you can keep doing that. I
think you got to keep using him because who else
you got but I would I would seriously consider just
maybe focusing on Trying as a closer. I know he struggled.
You know we got Copek is back, Hendrix. I don't
know who you use, but I don't know if Tanner
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Scott Psyche is gonna be good enough or he's gonna
be able to get that back by the time October
runs around.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The other guys aren't making it easy on Dave Robbers because,
as you mentioned, if Kopek was healthy all season long,
maybe he'd be the guy. If Lake Trying was healthy
all season long and looked like you did last year,
and remember he came on late and then was obviously
great throughout the playoffs, that would be the easy move.
I almost say what I said yesterday. I believe you
put him out there Saturday night in that high leverage
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situation to try to rebuild his confidence, to try to
give him a chance. Dave Roberts put Tanner Scott out there.
I agree with that, to try to rebuild him like
he ain't the six million dollar man, he's the seventy
two million dollar man. We could rebuild his confidence, we
can make him stronger. He needs a moment, a turning point,
for him because he has expressed Baseball hates me right now, well,
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you could replace baseball with Dodger fans with the way
they were booing at him, and I can understand why
seventy two million dollars. He's much better in this. He
knows he is. He has been on the wrong end
of some good swings like the double. Even last night
the guy golfed it. That was a good pitch, and
you but you could see Tanner Scott hanging his head
and go, here we go again. Now he got out
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of it eventually with some soft contact, but you could
see he's defeating himself. I think right now with the way,
with the way his approach is because he feels like
anything's going wrong or anything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Can't do you do you remove him from that situation,
say reverse it. Instead of him being your closer, let
him be your setup guy. Let him be your seventh
eighth inning guy. Let him let him get some of
those innings so it's not as dramatic as coming in
to close, and let him do that for maybe a
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few games as we go into October, and go with
some of the other guys to see who is going
to emerge as your as your real closer, because that's
a that's a real that's a real issue. And I
hear everybody, oh, just du bling this a bit. Nobody
else is coming through the door. Yeah, they got to
go with what they got. And so what do you
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do if you're Dave Roberts, what other options do you have?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I think you're right. I think that's the next strategy.
Just put him in, but not as the closer, and
if he starts looking good, he can work himself back
to that role. Right, So who's the closer than at
this point? Is it Blake trying? He at least looked
good last night. He did he Jack Dryer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And the thing about it with Blake is that you
you know he can do it, and you've seen him
do it in the past and a Dodger uniform. We
haven't seen Tanner Scott do it. No, so we've seen
it and we saw you know, Kopek was pretty good
for him last year. Maybe he can come back and
emerge that to that role too. But I don't think you.
I don't think you can afford to keep putting Tanner
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Scott in that role going forward. I think he's got
one more or two at the most opportunities to try
to fight himself back. Otherwise you can't play with it
because in the playoffs, you better know who your guy
is coming out of that pen in the ninth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's funny because things have been so bad for him
that last night might be perceived as a victory. He
did get to save, but he still gave up the
no hitter. But at least he didn't lose the game.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
When you say, when he says baseball hates me, can
you imagine he's like, I got any other time, say
it wasn't a no hitter, right, and it was, you know,
Colorado got two hits before three hits or whatever. It
was a three hitter. And he comes in to close,
he gives up, you know, the hit, and nobody would
have said anything. He said. He got to save. It
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was great, three one win to save. It's all good.
He's back, or he's he had a good night. He
didn't give up any runs. But the but he comes
in and he loses the no hitter. Of all things
that he comes in and loses the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think it's second or third pitch.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
He's like, what else?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
What? What can I do? Well?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Alex call. It looked like he kind of misplayed the route,
and Dave Roberts discussed that host game that he took
a bad step. So it's not only they got the
hit that could have maybe been an out. Tanner Scott's
in a world of pain right now. As Walter Soabjeck
would say from the Big LaBelle, that's just the way
it is. But you can't keep thinking woe is me
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and have.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
A pity party about it. It can't not. At this point,
nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
If you're in a funk as an athlete, you got
to still believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And that's the thing. I mean, you can say it,
but if you say it and you're moping around and
you're hanging in your head, and it's all about body language,
especially from a picture. You know, we've seen it. Guys
they give up big hits, or they give up hits
they got their hand underneath, they're shrugging their shoulders. And
then you got other guys give up a big hit
and they're like they're cussing at themselves, like how did
I do that? You know what I mean? And that's
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the guy you want. I'm getting the next guy that
I forgot that I'm getting the next guy. That's what
you want, because the last thing you want is your
teammates to look at your body language as if you
don't have confidence in yourself. That can't happen. And it
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started to seep in a little bit with him, And
I know the comment. Everybody pounced on the comment base
ball hates me. But when you're being asked every time
you go out, you know what's going on, what's wrong,
what's wrong, what's wrong, what's happening, what's wrong? What's wrong?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm doing the same.
I think I'm doing the same. And let's let's be honest.
I think there's been Like you mentioned last night, it
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was a pretty good pitch, the guy went down and
got it. But there's and he's and he's thrown some
good pitches that guys have just turned on and got
after him a little bit. But there's also been pitches
where he's missed his spot. Oh yeah, you know. And
he's not the same and he's admitted that too. So
it'll be interesting. We want to hear what you guys say.
What do you guys think should happen? With the bullpen.
We gave you our opinion call Us eight six six
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nine eighty seven two five seventy. We want to hear
from you. Should they keep Tanner Scott? Should they shuffle
the bullpen? Who should be the closer? That's what we
want to hear.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I just like to say this. Timmy Kates has weighed
in empty the tag, go for the no hitter, Tyler Glass.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you look like he wanted to go for so
you're saying it's all body language from Tyler. If you
would have wanted the ball, Dave would have left in me.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Isn't it always with him?
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Speaker 1 (23:44):
Wip oh Yeah, Welcome back, Rodney Pete, Adam Auslin for Fred.
Eight six six ninety seven two five seventy is the number.
We're talking about. The bullpen, the Dodgers, whether or not
they just shuffle it up and uh, basically relieve the
pain from Tanner Scott that he's been feeling lately. Oh,
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you know, a sporn on there, a little something on there,
a little something on the change it up for a
little bit or whatever. Eighteen games left, I think you
got to make some move just to see what you're
going to do going into into the postseason. We do have,
we do have that sound of Tyler after the game, Adam,
you had mentioned that his body language the thing about him.
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He didn't sound like a guy that really was fighting
to stay in there.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He was hugging guys as soon as he got to
the dugout like he knew this was it right. Seven innings,
that's all I got.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
All right, let's play that sound now. I kind of
I mean, obviously, when you get taken out of a game, like,
if you, I want to stay in no matter what
my pitch count is, and I think just given my
like track record, I kind of understand why. I mean,
if I was like healthy.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Every single season could maybe be a different story. But
our respecting decision, they wanted to take me out and
we ended up winning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Sucks, We're good.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Does that sound like Pedro Martinez with Grady Little out
there coming to get him? Does that Does that seem
like a guy who wants to stay out there no
matter what. I doesn't sound like that to me.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, But you know what, when I when I hear
that again, I I kind of hear what he's saying
because he was saying exactly what you were saying that
given my history, like he was, he was real about
his history. He's like, listen, I've been hurt. I've been injured.
So given my history, especially this year and last year
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and pretty much throughout my career, I understand why they
took him took me out. Now. Could you imagine if
he was that guy that was fighting to stay in right,
and as you mentioned, he tweaked something in the ninth
and now he's out another three weeks or he's out
(25:54):
from the playoffs if he fights for it. Now it's
everybody's looking at him, going and Dave Roberts both, what
in the world were you guys doing? You know your history?
I mean he said it. I get it. I know
my history, and I understand why they took me out
and we ended up winning the game, So I'm fine
with it. I think had this been June, he might
(26:16):
have let him go. But and he hadn't been on
the IL multiple times already. Correct, so different. He was
self aware, I think enough to I think part of
him deep down was like, Yeah, that would have been
cool to go, stay out there and give the no hitter.
But I thought that was a I don't know, I
felt different now did I listened to him say that, Adam.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The same people that would say, oh, you got to
keep him out there, get off my lawn, get off
my mound, having that old school approached and shaking your
physic clouds because guys aren't able to go the length
of a game anymore. The same people had Tyler Glass
now ended up getting hurt, which seems like a high
probability given his track record as of late. The same
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people would have criticized Dave Roberts if you left him
out there, how do you not know the most injury
riddled guy in the league has a problem and you
shouldn't push him to one hundred and twenty one hundred
and thirty pitches. So you know, it's damned if you do,
damp if you don't. I guess what Dave Roberts in
this situation, he's taking criticism either way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, he is, and he would have taken it either way.
I just I'm all, here's what I want to ask you,
because you mentioned some of the old guys. You mentioned Pedro,
you mentioned the guys in the past, Nolan Ryan, things
like that. And I don't know the stats. I don't
know the study, but I just know the optics and
more pitchers are injured nowadays than ever before. The injuries
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are up more more so, and the guys are going
less innings and throwing less pitches than ever before as well.
We're not saying to you know, and Dave's right, at
some point, we don't see that guy that bulldog going
nine and is complete games any more. Yeah, it's like,
you know, it's something that you know, a guy comes
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out in the ninth to finish it, up, the crowd
would get on their feet and they Okay, he's going
to have a complete game. That was a thing. I
mean it wasn't necessarily a no hitter, but that was
a badge of honor to go a complete game.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It wasn't even that long ago. No, Like early in
Kershaw's career, this was still the norm. Yeah, later in
Kershaw's career. That's crazy to think a guy's actually going
to be able to go out there and throw a
complete game now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think part of it is the injury concerns, and
everybody's saying, well, guys are getting injured more than ever,
so how can you say that you're saving them from injury.
I think it's because guys are throwing much harder and
at maximum velocity more often with more of their pitches
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now than ever, with kids getting Tommy John at fourteen
early on sometimes to get it, just to have it
preventatively and get it out of the way, like it's
a wisdom teeth getting pulled.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It like the norm. Right, Yeah, inevitable that it's gonna happen.
If you're a pitcher in high school, you come up
through Little League and your pitching and once you get
to high school, and even if you go to college
or whatever, it's coming. It's coming at some point.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How many guys through one hundred miles per hour in
the nineties, even in the steroid era, compared to guys
that do now, there are a handful in the league now.
Every team has a couple of guys at least three
guys four hundred. It's different. So that's what leads to
more injuries. I think you're not going to be able
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to save them from themselves because the problem is they're
so damn effective when they can throw that hard that
teams take on the risk and we'll just keep cycling
in new guys. When these ones get injured, we'll wait
for them to come back and then hopefully they're right again.
That's what it looks like to me.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and it's really interesting because it's the it's the pitchers, right,
the ones that understand everybody can throw a hundred and conversely,
if you're in the big leagues, you can hit a
hund Everybody can hit one hundred mile an hour fastball.
I mean, if you put it in the wrong spot,
somebody's gonna, oh Tar, he's not gonna miss it. Well, you,
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he's not gonna miss it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Remember when Barry Bonds took out gan ye oh yeah,
because they had a two run lead, so he could
actually pitch to him. Monoymno steroid on steroid crime in
like two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I think Gany threw him a off speed pitch to
begin with, and Barry stared it down. So what are
we doing? What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, come off, you'll be your best.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Every guy can turn on that now, probably because they
see it more often, their conditioned to be able to
catch up to those pitches.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, that's true, it's true, But we don't see Yeah,
the Roger Clemens or the Greg Maddox who learned how
to pitch. What's interesting, I tell Kevin this earlier, is
that with all of that, with all the hundred mile
an hour throwers out there and pitchers out there, the
guy for the Dodgers that's the most effective is Clayton Kershaw,
who basically tops out at ninety miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Now, oh, it makes fun of himself forward him being
miked up in the All Star Game, him being miked
miked up in the All Star Game and making fun
of himself with Joe Davis and saying here comes some
heat and that he throws it at eighty nine. Because
if you're still mixing up speeds appropriately painting corners, yeah,
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you could still get by. But there's a higher percentage
of guys now that are throwing at a faster velocity
than there were back then. Overall, Kershaw is kind of
the outlier at this point. Not everybody can get away
with that. He's the savvy vet that can.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I remember even yeah when I was when I was
coming up in high school, Uh, it was like it
was taboo to throw so many curveballs, right. He had
coaches that were like, Okay, your your second pitch is
a change up, so we're not gonna you're gonna limit
you to throw curveballs. And it was like a thing
that you didn't want kids to throw curve now because
(31:57):
of injuries. Yeah, because of injuries. Everybody thought, you know,
you throw the curveball, that's how you injury your elbow,
your arm, or your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
No curveballs, and definitely no gyros.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
No no gyros for sure. The guys now, have you know,
look at you, Darvis. He's got eighteen different pitches. You
got Yamamoto's got different pitches. And I was talking to
doctor Neil Elatrage about this and he said, it's it's velocity.
Like you mentioned, everybody's trying to throw as hard as
they can, as often as they can, but it's also
(32:24):
trying to develop that spin rate. Right, that's spinning, which
is putting that torque on your elbow and on your
arm that guys are trying to get away with. I mean,
you watch Blake trying to throw when he's on He's
like he's throwing a whiffle ball exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know, he's got some of the nastiest movement you
will see out there.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, and that's what guys are doing, even with two seamers. Now,
the movement on the ball is what guys are going after.
And now it's not just coming in at ninety two,
it's coming in at one hundred with movements.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So to be more specific, it's not so much it
is but they're throwing it faster and they're putting more
dress on their arms at the same time. So why
are we surprised that we're seeing more injuries? We're not, like, yeah,
I get it. They're trying to protect the guys more
than ever, and they're getting injured more than ever. But
what they're not protecting them from is throwing more fastballs,
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which is eventually what least of the injuries. Anyways, they're
not gonna stop him from doing that because it's effective
with getting guys out. How many guys are hitting three
hundred this season? One? Freddy Freeman? Is he the only one?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's wild?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
How about that In the days of Tony Gwenn and
George Brett and Rod Carew and back in the I know,
I sound like the old man. Get off my line, guy,
I've got Wade Boggs and all those guys. There were
perennial three hundred and three forty three fifty hitters. It
were always one year. I mean through the eighties nineties,
and you know Jeter was it three hundred. I think
(33:48):
Aaron Nomar hit three seventy year. Yes, it were always
one or two guys chasing four hundred every year. You
could always find a guy that with a this is
gonna be the year that they get ted Williams, It's
gonna be up this year. Some guy was three eighty three,
ninety throughout the whole season and come up a little short,
but there was there was always five to ten guys
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at three hundred plus.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You know what freaks me out and something that is
so perplexing. Maybe I missed it, but where's the thirty
for thirty on the strike shortened season in nineteen ninety
four where Tony Gwynn was hitting three ninety four, or
Matt Williams was on pace to break the home run record,
somebody else was going for the triple crown. There were
all these historic things happening and the game got shut down.
(34:34):
Where is that documentary at more at ken Burns.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Let's make it all right, my man, Adam Austin, and
it's got some new intel that we got to get
into when we come back. Yeah, Adam Austin And for
Fred Rogan, am five to seventy LA Sports.
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
Talk Today's afternoon delight is the Dead Dance by Lady
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two of the Netflix show Wednesday which dropped over the weekend.
Not only did Lady Guy got contribute to Wednesday with
(35:23):
this song for the soundtrack, but she will also make
a cameo appearance in the show again. Today's afternoon delight
is the Dead Dance by Lady Gaga got him. Do
you watch Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Uh no, But she'd work well with a member of
the Adams family. It's a spinoff, right, it is well
Jenni Ortega, so I know of it. I don't know
if that's their theme song.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
She plays it well too. She does a great job
with that show. Wednesdays is very good. And you're right,
Lady Gaga was fitting perfectly.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh yeah, American horror story, all.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Of that, all of that. She can act a little bit, Yeah,
she can. I thought her. She was great and the
stars born well well yeah, no, good stuff. Okay, So
yesterday we talked about and we talked about extensively, and
you broke it down to us, Adam about this Clipper
(36:15):
Kawhi Leonard Steve Baumber Aspiration company situation and what's going
on with it and different perspectives. Now you have some
new light I am understanding on what's going on or
some new information of what's going on with the investigation.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I just happen to be watching every single show that
Pablo Torre has been going on too right now since
he started this firestorm.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You got him on favorites right now and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I wouldn't say favorites, but I am keeping my notifications
open for any time. What's the alarm bell that rings
on YouTube when you get a new episode that comes in.
That's what it's like right now. And while he hasn't
exactly said anything that groundbreaking, some other people and I
trust Zach Lowe. He's one of my favorites from the
(37:03):
Ringer now, but obviously he was on the Evil four
letter for a while, high level NBA thinker type, indie
basketball type, and he brought up something interesting because ultimately
everyone's talking about what's the punishment going to be should
they find anything with the Clippers here, what could happen?
And a lot of people are trying to parallel to
the situation with Jille Smith, and I think two thousand
(37:25):
are two thousand and one with the Minnesota Timberwolves and
they got hammered, they got the death penalty. Basically, I
think them getting five first round picks taken away and
the fine and Glenn Taylor being suspended for a season
and Kevin McHale. That eventually led to Kevin Garnett leaving
(37:47):
or being traded honestly, because it took away the possibility
of the Timberwolves being able to build a quality team
around him. So that was severe. That's worst case scenario.
But some are bringing that up because that's the precedent here. Now,
it should be of note that there was hard evidence
(38:09):
in that case. There was an actual note because the
Asian eventually left Joe Smith and flipped and gave the
goods on how that deal came about, where basically they
were circumveying the salary cap by saying, Joe Smith, we're
going to pay you, you know, just pennies right now
to keep you under the cap and keep our team
cap situation flexible. And then when we get your bird
(38:31):
rise so we can go over the cap in three years,
we'll make up for it. Then well, that's a big
no note. You can't do that with players. Hence why
they go, oh, yeah, it was in the yellow notepad.
It was rule number one. You want to talk about receipts. Yeah,
(38:52):
this was what was the old show World's Dumbest Criminals
or something where the guy's break get into the house
and he falls to the roof. It was that type
of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Now, start scratching his eye and he takes his mask off.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, how are we going to find him? Oh, we
got his face. In this case, there's no hard evidence
that we have seen so far has been presented by
Pablo Torre. It's all alleged and it's a lot of
connecting dots. However, going back to Zach Lowe here, he
did bring up on his show that according to the
CBA Bylaws, circumstantial evidence is enough for punishment. Here it
(39:33):
says in the by laws may be proven by direct
or circumstantial evidence, including but not limited to, evidence that
a player and a contract or any term or provision
thereof cannot rationally be explained. Well, people are wondering right now,
how do you explain away what's happening with Kawhi being
(39:55):
paid twenty eight million dollars from aspiration when from what
we have not seen yet as him being in a
commercial or doing anything.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But my question on that aspect of and I get
you got to be specific and where's the paperwork for that?
When he signed that deal. How long after he signed
that deal did Aspirations file for bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think it was in a year and a half
to two years. Like, there was probably adequate time for
them to figure out how to get a commercial or
him to be a spokesman and promote it like Robert
Downey Junior did. But we don't know what. We can't
compare a company that was defrauding everyone and act like
that's a normal functioning company. They are convicted of fraud,
(40:42):
so to be like, why would they ever give away
this money? Why would they do something like that?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Why would they fraud everybody out like they did a
lot of stuff that was highly illegal and irregular. It
doesn't make a lot of sense. We're trying to rationalize
a company, and that was breaking a lawn.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
In which either Bomb or Kawhi knew this company was
a fraud, a fraud, right, So it could have been
early on they knew this was going in the wrong direction,
and somebody got to Kawhi say, hey, just pump your
brakes on this company until we find out they're all
on the op and up. So we're not going to
do anything for ye I could have been that.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It looks suspicious that they're continuing to pay him. But
the truth is we're going to have to get some
type of explanation, and that's what the NBA is investigating.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Will Kawhi ever give any kind of explanation?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't know how this works. Would he be interviewed
for this? It would make sense. It's not a you know,
it's not a court of law thing. It's they didn't
break a law.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
The NBA, I don't know. I don't know what you
would call it. But can't they at least question everyone involved?
And wouldn't they have the ability to question Kawhi and
Steve Bomber or can they just say we're taking the fifth,
We're not going to say anything until you make this
a criminal matter.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That's a good question. I wonder if they did, if
they pushed back against the NBA interviewing them would not
be good. It'd probably look bad on them and like
they're trying to hide something, which I think is why
Steve Balmer came out last Thursday to get out in
front of this and be like, hey, we got nothing
to hide here. I'm willing to talk about it. So
it's ongoing it's a fluid situation. As they say, it
(42:25):
is way above my pay grade, and we shall see
where the evidence in the facts lead.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All right, coming up, our man Bill Plunkett of the
OC Register's gonna join us. We'll we'll ask him about
the bullpen woes and whether or not he would have
left Tyler Glass now in the game to finish that
no hitter. Let's talk to him in a minute. A
five seventy LA Sports
Oh, yes, here we go, Here we go, here we go,
Rogan and Roddy, Adam Auslin and for Fred Today, we
got a lot to talk about, lots to talk about.
Dodgers played last night, got to win. We'll get into that. Also,
Monday night football Bears Vikings, exciting finished, two young quarterbacks
(00:21):
going at it. We'll get into that as well. Second hour,
Bill Plunkett is gonna join us to talk more about
the Dodgers and everything else, and then we'll have Vinnie
Bonzignor to help us break down Week one in the
NFL in the in the last hour also and sometime
this hour or I think the second segment or so.
I think we're gonna take your calls. Uh. And we're
(00:43):
gonna take your calls because of what we're about to
talk about right now, and that is although the Dodgers won, Adam, Huh,
we're still talking about the bullpen. We're still talking about
the bullpen and Tanner Scott and what do they do
going into October October? How do they shake it up?
(01:05):
Or do they shake it up? But let's first start
talking about Tyler Glass now, because he had a phenomenal
night and he's had some great outings this year. It's
just the Dodger offense, which we've talked about all season long,
has not given their pitchers enough run support.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Starting pitching has been there, it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Has, it really has been there, and but the run
support has not been there. And last night Glass now
he took a no hitter into the seventh and then
trying it comes in, gets it at one, two, three,
and then the bullpen Tannis come blow's a no hitter,
combined no hitter. I should say I've seen before. I know, right,
(01:45):
Glass now look good. Now there are some because we
saw this not too long ago with Yamamoto. Right, Yamamoto
throwing a no hitter into the eighth three days ago,
they let him go into the ninth, eight and two
thirds before the Dodgers actually not only blow the no hitter,
they blow the game. So last night Glass now is
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doing the same thing. And many people this morning, Adam
are upset that Dave Roberts did not let him go
to try to complete that game and get the full
no hitter himself. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I gotta be honest. First of all, Tyler Glass now win, healthy,
is dominant, He's got Hall of Fame stuff, you saw
it last night. Eleven K's goes seven innings. But first
of all, he has to want the ball. If anything,
he probably looked like he was relieved that he was
(02:43):
going out of the game, that he was good, that
his nighting was over. I think he found I'm getting
out healthy, good, I'm one hundred and five pitches. I'm healthy.
The back that tightened up on him in Baltimore, it
looked like he's fine out there. But I got news
for you. If a guy is brittle, even when you
baby him, there's an even better chance he gets hurt
(03:06):
when you don't. If you push a guy like that,
this idea that Nolan Ryan, you got to build up
your strength, you gotta throw more innings, you got to
build up those calluses. Maybe that works for some guys,
but we have a long history with Tyler glas Now
and he is not that he's been injury plagued his
entire career. They've tried everything with him. I think the
(03:28):
best you can do is get in, get out, because likely,
if anything, he's gonna end up pulling something if you
don't pull him out of the ballgame fast enough. I
understand you want to see a no hitter. This was
the first time in what League history, I think, yes,
the first time on record to lose a no hit
bid in the ninth twice in a three game span.
(03:52):
The Dodgers have that dubious record. Now, after what happened
Saturday and last night, are.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You saying, oh, letbe just get this straight.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That you're okay with him coming out of the game
or them taking him out of the game. But it
sounded like you think Tyler Glass now was okay with it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
He says, doesn't look like he was fighting for the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay with it? Because we've seen guys in the past,
whether it be Kershaw, We've seen it from Oral back
in the day. We've seen it from a lot of
guys Clemens and the you know, the big timers. We
even saw it from Trying and in the World Series
when Day went out to get him and trying and say,
I got this guy, rich Hill, Rich Hill. But we
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saw the opposite of rich Hill. Rich Hill came out.
He's like, come get me, take a look at me.
And he was like when somebody says that and you
gotta go.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh, it's time. Boston.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
He was Boston he was no, but that's the time
he was. He said, if you remember, he said, just
keep an eye on me, fair, keep an eye.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
On keep an eye on Dick Mountain.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So so so if if you're you're, you gotta going
through seven, you gotta let him go. You gotta get it.
And to me, you gotta let him go based on
what happened three nights ago. To Yamamoto, Oh you're still
(05:13):
chasing that one. Yes, And if I'm Glass, I was like,
get the get your ass back in the dugout.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm going, Okay, that's you going, that's you. I'm Deed Glass.
Now is he demonstrative like that at all? He was
ready to give the hugs. Hey, great outing, right guys.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And I think he's thinking about it. And I know
where the Dodgers are, and look, I get both sides
of this. I'm just thinking, in the moment, given what happened,
Dodgers need a spark. Dodgers need something to light their fire.
They need something to catapult them into the playoffs. He
throws a no hitter. He throws a no hitter in
that game at home. What do you think that does
(05:52):
for the energy, not only of the crowd, but the
team itself, they get behind him. Now it's another thing.
I think they were thinking, to your point, we just
give it up a no hitter two nights ago, three
nights ago. We can't. We can't allow that to happen
again to Tyler. We can't let him go. And this
happened again. So let's let's get him out of here now.
(06:16):
And I do believe that the injury factor has probably
something to do with it, because he has had that
those injuries over the years, and but when he he's
going like that and he hasn't shown any signs of
injury during the course of the game, I think you
gotta let him go. At him, I think you really
got to let him go. If for anything, like we've
(06:36):
been saying for the last month and a half, something
has to happen with this team. There has to be
a shift in the cosmic air or whatever has to
happen to get them out of this funk that they're in.
And I don't know if it's something dramatic, but that
would have been a dramatic moment at home to say, Okay,
(06:57):
now we're going here we go. Now we're going I
just do a no hitter. Let's get behind that and
let's go get ready for the playoffs. That's all I'm
saying from a momentum standpoint. Yes, they ended up winning
the game, but it was a letdown because they gave
up the no hitter to combine no hitter. But man,
I would have loved to see him go.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I get the perspective. Fans felt like that. David Vasse
felt like that post game on Dodger's Talk. You just know, though,
with Tyler Glass, now his body is a ticking time bomb.
You get in, get out, and hope everything is okay
with him, because if he gets hurt with three weeks
before the post what.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
He's a number then? So is it eighty pitches? Hundred pitches?
Because he went over? Right? So why didn't they take
him out in the six? If they're worried about, oh
we got to protect Glass, now take him out in
the sixth inning, not the seven. I mean, how long
do you let what is the formula to letting him
go as long as he did? He went over one
hundred pitches, so what's another twenty more?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Adham I didn't hear from Dave Roberts if he checked
in with him to see if he was willing to
go further, but you looked like a guy that was
being somebody that was going to stay out there on
the mound and die on that hill and defend his
right to go for the no hitter. He looked pretty
content with getting through seven innings, considering he just came
(08:15):
back off the back of So it's to me it
starts with that. If Tyler Lsnow was fighting for his
spot to stay out there, then okay, now we can
have that conversation. And if he wants to put it,
push it to one hundred and twenty pitches, maybe that's
in the cards. But again, the Dodgers aren't going to
be defined this season by what happens right now. And
(08:38):
even if that no hitter built some momentum up, how
much is it really worth. Momentum is as good as
your next starting pitcher, That's what we like to say.
How much is that really going to turn the tide?
Getting a no hitter against the Colorado Rockies? Is that
gonna save them? What's gonna save them is winning the
World Series and being able to defy all the detractors
and doubters right now that think this Dodgers team is
(08:59):
in a tailspin. Well, that's what's going to define this season,
whether or not they win the World Series, not a
no hitter in September. So I'm playing for that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I know. But it's like any sport, Adam, and you're
you're very in tune with the Clippers and basketball and everything,
you know, and the guy's off and he's shooting, and
he's shooting and he's shooting, and all of a sudden
he sees that one go in. Meba, see get fould
he get to the free throw on just to see
the ball go in. Once the ball goes in, Okay, now,
and now I found it again. One shot hot, one
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shot hot. And so the same thing in football. You know,
the receivers got the drops of the yips or whatever
he's got, all he knows, he catches one more and
all of a sudden, now I got my confidence back.
So all I'm saying is for the Dodger, and I
agree with you that going forward, it doesn't matter what
happens on September eighth, It really doesn't. It is about
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the playoffs and how they perform once they get there,
and if something were to happen to Glass now because
they let him go. Then they'll be kicking themselves in
October because he's not available. Right But that could have
happened in the fifth inning. That could have happened in
the fourth. You don't know, you don't. No one has
to hit the ball of when that's gonna happen. He's
come out of the game in the first inning this year,
he's coming out of the game in the second end because
he's got back tight. He didn't start when game in
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the morning because he had some stiffness or whatever he
had and he couldn't go. So all those things could
happen at any moment. All I'm saying is the Dodgers
have been searching. They've been searching all season long for
that spark, that momentum, that thing, that that magic that
they had last year, whether it be Mooky, whether it
be the bullpen. You know, starting pitcher has come on
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and been great, but they've had their downside. Mookie was
trying everything. Finally something happened and clicked and he got
it going again. We don't know what that is, and
so maybe this would have been that moment of Okay,
here we go our guy through a no no And
this is exactly the excitement we need to get Max
Bunsey coming back again. Blah blah blah. It could have
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been something in a season where they need something going
into the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'll say this, Mooky had the biggest hit of the game,
the two run, two out hit that he got for
them that eventually won it for him. What he's doing
right now is real. I think he's been hitting three
thirty over the last month with five jacks. They do
need a little bit of a momentum shift. I don't
know if the no hitter from a starting pitcher that
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goes once every five days is going to be enough
for them. But I understand the argument because I think
when people look at something like last night, it's not
just about Tyler Glass now, it's about Ross stripling back
in twenty sixteen. It's about a track record of Dave
Roberts pooling guys that we're on the hill pitching well
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no hitter territory, and he ends up taking them out early.
Because people think it's perceived, pitch count, analytics, all these
things that didn't used to happen back in their day,
and therefore they push back against it. I get that
part of it, but the difference between Tyler Glass now
and you can say, oh, get hurt in the first
inning or the fifth inning, Well, how much is Dave
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Roberts going to be scrutinized for that versus pushing things
to one hundred and twenty pitchers or more?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, they would have killed him. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So it's understandable if a guy gets hurt early on
and there's no criticism on the manager in that case
because it was unpredictable. This in this case, if he
starts trying to go longer than he should just to
chase a no hitter and gets hurt and is out
for the postseason. Again, now you're kicking your own ass.
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Now you are the problem, and there would be heavy
criticism on Dave Roberts.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Do you think here's my thing? Is that? And I
get it. Glass now has been in and out, especially
in recent time. He's been in and out with some
little nagging things. He didn't go get Yamamoto until Yamamoto
gave up the home run. You know, he let him
go three nights ago. So the argument of sayn he
(12:57):
doesn't let guys go, And let me ask you this,
if Kershaw is in the same situation, does he go
get Kershaw said, don't you even come out of the dugout?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He's fighting for that hill. Yeah, he's not coming off
the mounds. But given his age, no.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Hit going through seven, is he coming out?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They don't have the track record that Tyler glasnow has.
I mean it's not even just this season with him,
it's his entire career and any little tweak with him.
David Vassay has been talking about it. I heard him
all with Petro some Money yesterday saying, hey, the weather
looks good, perfect conditions, everything's just right. That means Tyler
should be ready to go tonight, because that's usually how
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it works with him. I've heard Fred call him soft.
This is a different cat, and when he's oh he's great,
Yeah he's domina. That's that's the infuriating or confounding, frustrating
part with him. You know how talented and how good
he can be, but it's these little things and at times,
especially earlier this season, the rain. Where was that in Philly?
I forget maybe in Chicago that seemed to knock him
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off his game and then his own mental psyche. At times,
it seems like he gets in his own head a
little bit. It's all these other things outside of what
his actual arm can do when he's right on the mound.
That's what's tough with him. Now. Speaking of I guess
there's another guy that might be in his head a
little bit, and that's the guy who blew the no
hit or did not blow the game this time in
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Tanner Scott Rodney, how are you feeling about the bullpen
and him still being the closer right now?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not so good? Not so good? And I know they
signed him to the big deal, and this is a
guy I think people forget because it's all about recency, biased,
but this is a guy that was lights out last year,
last couple of years, and everybody wanted him and everybody
was excited for the season to get him. And look,
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in sports, you have up and down years, you know,
even the best have years or they're not at their best.
This has been a This has been a very rough
year for Tanner Scott and he even said it the
other day, the baseball hates me, you know. And when
you're feeling like that, you start to wonder about the
guy's psyche as you tried him back out there. But
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I don't know, Adam, if I if I continue, what
did they got about eighteen games left?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think eighteen seven against the Giants, by the way,
once twelve before on a roll.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, So I don't know if I give him more
than two more opportunities going into the playoffs, because you
got to get ready for that guy. And Dave Roberts
had talked about this. We got to have the guys
that I trust, that we trust out there, and at
this point, you can't. You can't do that, especially against
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a team. Think about it. It's Colorado. And I know
everybody's got players, but Colorado. You're going you got a
three run league with a no hitter.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Lay yea in their place where there's a you know,
Grand Canyon out there, and it's all over the place.
It's Colorado, and you can't shut it down for no hitter.
And that doesn't give you that kind of motivation to
come in there. I'm shutting this bad boy down, all right.
I'm I'm gonna preserve this no hitter because Glass now
and trying and did their thing. Now it's my turn.
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I don't know if you can keep doing that. I
think you got to keep using him because who else
you got but I would I would seriously consider just
maybe focusing on Trying as a closer. I know he struggled.
You know we got Copek is back, Hendrix. I don't
know who you use, but I don't know if Tanner
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Scott Psyche is gonna be good enough or he's gonna
be able to get that back by the time October
runs around.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The other guys aren't making it easy on Dave Robbers because,
as you mentioned, if Kopek was healthy all season long,
maybe he'd be the guy. If Lake Trying was healthy
all season long and looked like you did last year,
and remember he came on late and then was obviously
great throughout the playoffs, that would be the easy move.
I almost say what I said yesterday. I believe you
put him out there Saturday night in that high leverage
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situation to try to rebuild his confidence, to try to
give him a chance. Dave Roberts put Tanner Scott out there.
I agree with that, to try to rebuild him like
he ain't the six million dollar man, he's the seventy
two million dollar man. We could rebuild his confidence, we
can make him stronger. He needs a moment, a turning point,
for him because he has expressed Baseball hates me right now, well,
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you could replace baseball with Dodger fans with the way
they were booing at him, and I can understand why
seventy two million dollars. He's much better in this. He
knows he is. He has been on the wrong end
of some good swings like the double. Even last night
the guy golfed it. That was a good pitch, and
you but you could see Tanner Scott hanging his head
and go, here we go again. Now he got out
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of it eventually with some soft contact, but you could
see he's defeating himself. I think right now with the way,
with the way his approach is because he feels like
anything's going wrong or anything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Can't do you do you remove him from that situation,
say reverse it. Instead of him being your closer, let
him be your setup guy. Let him be your seventh
eighth inning guy. Let him let him get some of
those innings so it's not as dramatic as coming in
to close, and let him do that for maybe a
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few games as we go into October, and go with
some of the other guys to see who is going
to emerge as your as your real closer, because that's
a that's a real that's a real issue. And I
hear everybody, oh, just du bling this a bit. Nobody
else is coming through the door. Yeah, they got to
go with what they got. And so what do you
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do if you're Dave Roberts, what other options do you have?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I think you're right. I think that's the next strategy.
Just put him in, but not as the closer, and
if he starts looking good, he can work himself back
to that role. Right, So who's the closer than at
this point? Is it Blake trying? He at least looked
good last night. He did he Jack Dryer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And the thing about it with Blake is that you
you know he can do it, and you've seen him
do it in the past and a Dodger uniform. We
haven't seen Tanner Scott do it. No, so we've seen
it and we saw you know, Kopek was pretty good
for him last year. Maybe he can come back and
emerge that to that role too. But I don't think you.
I don't think you can afford to keep putting Tanner
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Scott in that role going forward. I think he's got
one more or two at the most opportunities to try
to fight himself back. Otherwise you can't play with it
because in the playoffs, you better know who your guy
is coming out of that pen in the ninth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's funny because things have been so bad for him
that last night might be perceived as a victory. He
did get to save, but he still gave up the
no hitter. But at least he didn't lose the game.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
When you say, when he says baseball hates me, can
you imagine he's like, I got any other time, say
it wasn't a no hitter, right, and it was, you know,
Colorado got two hits before three hits or whatever. It
was a three hitter. And he comes in to close,
he gives up, you know, the hit, and nobody would
have said anything. He said. He got to save. It
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was great, three one win to save. It's all good.
He's back, or he's he had a good night. He
didn't give up any runs. But the but he comes
in and he loses the no hitter. Of all things
that he comes in and loses the no hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think it's second or third pitch.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
He's like, what else?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
What? What can I do? Well?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Alex call. It looked like he kind of misplayed the route,
and Dave Roberts discussed that host game that he took
a bad step. So it's not only they got the
hit that could have maybe been an out. Tanner Scott's
in a world of pain right now. As Walter Soabjeck
would say from the Big LaBelle, that's just the way
it is. But you can't keep thinking woe is me
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and have.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
A pity party about it. It can't not. At this point,
nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
If you're in a funk as an athlete, you got
to still believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And that's the thing. I mean, you can say it,
but if you say it and you're moping around and
you're hanging in your head, and it's all about body language,
especially from a picture. You know, we've seen it. Guys
they give up big hits, or they give up hits
they got their hand underneath, they're shrugging their shoulders. And
then you got other guys give up a big hit
and they're like they're cussing at themselves, like how did
I do that? You know what I mean? And that's
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the guy you want. I'm getting the next guy that
I forgot that I'm getting the next guy. That's what
you want, because the last thing you want is your
teammates to look at your body language as if you
don't have confidence in yourself. That can't happen. And it
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started to seep in a little bit with him, And
I know the comment. Everybody pounced on the comment base
ball hates me. But when you're being asked every time
you go out, you know what's going on, what's wrong,
what's wrong, what's wrong, what's happening, what's wrong? What's wrong?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm doing the same.
I think I'm doing the same. And let's let's be honest.
I think there's been Like you mentioned last night, it
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was a pretty good pitch, the guy went down and
got it. But there's and he's and he's thrown some
good pitches that guys have just turned on and got
after him a little bit. But there's also been pitches
where he's missed his spot. Oh yeah, you know. And
he's not the same and he's admitted that too. So
it'll be interesting. We want to hear what you guys say.
What do you guys think should happen? With the bullpen.
We gave you our opinion call Us eight six six
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nine eighty seven two five seventy. We want to hear
from you. Should they keep Tanner Scott? Should they shuffle
the bullpen? Who should be the closer? That's what we
want to hear.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I just like to say this. Timmy Kates has weighed
in empty the tag, go for the no hitter, Tyler Glass.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you look like he wanted to go for so
you're saying it's all body language from Tyler. If you
would have wanted the ball, Dave would have left in me.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Isn't it always with him?
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Speaker 1 (23:44):
Wip oh Yeah, Welcome back, Rodney Pete, Adam Auslin for Fred.
Eight six six ninety seven two five seventy is the number.
We're talking about. The bullpen, the Dodgers, whether or not
they just shuffle it up and uh, basically relieve the
pain from Tanner Scott that he's been feeling lately. Oh,
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you know, a sporn on there, a little something on there,
a little something on the change it up for a
little bit or whatever. Eighteen games left, I think you
got to make some move just to see what you're
going to do going into into the postseason. We do have,
we do have that sound of Tyler after the game, Adam,
you had mentioned that his body language the thing about him.
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He didn't sound like a guy that really was fighting
to stay in there.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
He was hugging guys as soon as he got to
the dugout like he knew this was it right. Seven innings,
that's all I got.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
All right, let's play that sound now. I kind of
I mean, obviously, when you get taken out of a game, like,
if you, I want to stay in no matter what
my pitch count is, and I think just given my
like track record, I kind of understand why. I mean,
if I was like healthy.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Every single season could maybe be a different story. But
our respecting decision, they wanted to take me out and
we ended up winning.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Sucks, We're good.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Does that sound like Pedro Martinez with Grady Little out
there coming to get him? Does that Does that seem
like a guy who wants to stay out there no
matter what. I doesn't sound like that to me.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, But you know what, when I when I hear
that again, I I kind of hear what he's saying
because he was saying exactly what you were saying that
given my history, like he was, he was real about
his history. He's like, listen, I've been hurt. I've been injured.
So given my history, especially this year and last year
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and pretty much throughout my career, I understand why they
took him took me out. Now. Could you imagine if
he was that guy that was fighting to stay in right,
and as you mentioned, he tweaked something in the ninth
and now he's out another three weeks or he's out
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from the playoffs if he fights for it. Now it's
everybody's looking at him, going and Dave Roberts both, what
in the world were you guys doing? You know your history?
I mean he said it. I get it. I know
my history, and I understand why they took me out
and we ended up winning the game, So I'm fine
with it. I think had this been June, he might
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have let him go. But and he hadn't been on
the IL multiple times already. Correct, so different. He was
self aware, I think enough to I think part of
him deep down was like, Yeah, that would have been
cool to go, stay out there and give the no hitter.
But I thought that was a I don't know, I
felt different now did I listened to him say that, Adam.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The same people that would say, oh, you got to
keep him out there, get off my lawn, get off
my mound, having that old school approached and shaking your
physic clouds because guys aren't able to go the length
of a game anymore. The same people had Tyler Glass
now ended up getting hurt, which seems like a high
probability given his track record as of late. The same
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people would have criticized Dave Roberts if you left him
out there, how do you not know the most injury
riddled guy in the league has a problem and you
shouldn't push him to one hundred and twenty one hundred
and thirty pitches. So you know, it's damned if you do,
damp if you don't. I guess what Dave Roberts in
this situation, he's taking criticism either way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, he is, and he would have taken it either way.
I just I'm all, here's what I want to ask you,
because you mentioned some of the old guys. You mentioned Pedro,
you mentioned the guys in the past, Nolan Ryan, things
like that. And I don't know the stats. I don't
know the study, but I just know the optics and
more pitchers are injured nowadays than ever before. The injuries
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are up more more so, and the guys are going
less innings and throwing less pitches than ever before as well.
We're not saying to you know, and Dave's right, at
some point, we don't see that guy that bulldog going
nine and is complete games any more. Yeah, it's like,
you know, it's something that you know, a guy comes
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out in the ninth to finish it, up, the crowd
would get on their feet and they Okay, he's going
to have a complete game. That was a thing. I
mean it wasn't necessarily a no hitter, but that was
a badge of honor to go a complete game.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It wasn't even that long ago. No, Like early in
Kershaw's career, this was still the norm. Yeah, later in
Kershaw's career. That's crazy to think a guy's actually going
to be able to go out there and throw a
complete game now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think part of it is the injury concerns, and
everybody's saying, well, guys are getting injured more than ever,
so how can you say that you're saving them from injury.
I think it's because guys are throwing much harder and
at maximum velocity more often with more of their pitches
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now than ever, with kids getting Tommy John at fourteen
early on sometimes to get it, just to have it
preventatively and get it out of the way, like it's
a wisdom teeth getting pulled.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It like the norm. Right, Yeah, inevitable that it's gonna happen.
If you're a pitcher in high school, you come up
through Little League and your pitching and once you get
to high school, and even if you go to college
or whatever, it's coming. It's coming at some point.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How many guys through one hundred miles per hour in
the nineties, even in the steroid era, compared to guys
that do now, there are a handful in the league now.
Every team has a couple of guys at least three
guys four hundred. It's different. So that's what leads to
more injuries. I think you're not going to be able
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to save them from themselves because the problem is they're
so damn effective when they can throw that hard that
teams take on the risk and we'll just keep cycling
in new guys. When these ones get injured, we'll wait
for them to come back and then hopefully they're right again.
That's what it looks like to me.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and it's really interesting because it's the it's the pitchers, right,
the ones that understand everybody can throw a hundred and conversely,
if you're in the big leagues, you can hit a
hund Everybody can hit one hundred mile an hour fastball.
I mean, if you put it in the wrong spot,
somebody's gonna, oh Tar, he's not gonna miss it. Well, you,
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he's not gonna miss it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Remember when Barry Bonds took out gan ye oh yeah,
because they had a two run lead, so he could
actually pitch to him. Monoymno steroid on steroid crime in
like two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I think Gany threw him a off speed pitch to
begin with, and Barry stared it down. So what are
we doing? What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, come off, you'll be your best.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Every guy can turn on that now, probably because they
see it more often, their conditioned to be able to
catch up to those pitches.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, that's true, it's true, But we don't see Yeah,
the Roger Clemens or the Greg Maddox who learned how
to pitch. What's interesting, I tell Kevin this earlier, is
that with all of that, with all the hundred mile
an hour throwers out there and pitchers out there, the
guy for the Dodgers that's the most effective is Clayton Kershaw,
who basically tops out at ninety miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Now, oh, it makes fun of himself forward him being
miked up in the All Star Game, him being miked
miked up in the All Star Game and making fun
of himself with Joe Davis and saying here comes some
heat and that he throws it at eighty nine. Because
if you're still mixing up speeds appropriately painting corners, yeah,
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you could still get by. But there's a higher percentage
of guys now that are throwing at a faster velocity
than there were back then. Overall, Kershaw is kind of
the outlier at this point. Not everybody can get away
with that. He's the savvy vet that can.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I remember even yeah when I was when I was
coming up in high school, Uh, it was like it
was taboo to throw so many curveballs, right. He had
coaches that were like, Okay, your your second pitch is
a change up, so we're not gonna you're gonna limit
you to throw curveballs. And it was like a thing
that you didn't want kids to throw curve now because
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of injuries. Yeah, because of injuries. Everybody thought, you know,
you throw the curveball, that's how you injury your elbow,
your arm, or your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
No curveballs, and definitely no gyros.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
No no gyros for sure. The guys now, have you know,
look at you, Darvis. He's got eighteen different pitches. You
got Yamamoto's got different pitches. And I was talking to
doctor Neil Elatrage about this and he said, it's it's velocity.
Like you mentioned, everybody's trying to throw as hard as
they can, as often as they can, but it's also
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trying to develop that spin rate. Right, that's spinning, which
is putting that torque on your elbow and on your
arm that guys are trying to get away with. I mean,
you watch Blake trying to throw when he's on He's
like he's throwing a whiffle ball exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know, he's got some of the nastiest movement you
will see out there.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, and that's what guys are doing, even with two seamers. Now,
the movement on the ball is what guys are going after.
And now it's not just coming in at ninety two,
it's coming in at one hundred with movements.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So to be more specific, it's not so much it
is but they're throwing it faster and they're putting more
dress on their arms at the same time. So why
are we surprised that we're seeing more injuries? We're not, like, yeah,
I get it. They're trying to protect the guys more
than ever, and they're getting injured more than ever. But
what they're not protecting them from is throwing more fastballs,
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which is eventually what least of the injuries. Anyways, they're
not gonna stop him from doing that because it's effective
with getting guys out. How many guys are hitting three
hundred this season? One? Freddy Freeman? Is he the only one?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's wild?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
How about that In the days of Tony Gwenn and
George Brett and Rod Carew and back in the I know,
I sound like the old man. Get off my line, guy,
I've got Wade Boggs and all those guys. There were
perennial three hundred and three forty three fifty hitters. It
were always one year. I mean through the eighties nineties,
and you know Jeter was it three hundred. I think
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Aaron Nomar hit three seventy year. Yes, it were always
one or two guys chasing four hundred every year. You
could always find a guy that with a this is
gonna be the year that they get ted Williams, It's
gonna be up this year. Some guy was three eighty three,
ninety throughout the whole season and come up a little short,
but there was there was always five to ten guys
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at three hundred plus.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You know what freaks me out and something that is
so perplexing. Maybe I missed it, but where's the thirty
for thirty on the strike shortened season in nineteen ninety
four where Tony Gwynn was hitting three ninety four, or
Matt Williams was on pace to break the home run record,
somebody else was going for the triple crown. There were
all these historic things happening and the game got shut down.
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Where is that documentary at more at ken Burns.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Let's make it all right, my man, Adam Austin, and
it's got some new intel that we got to get
into when we come back. Yeah, Adam Austin And for
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Talk Today's afternoon delight is the Dead Dance by Lady
Ga Gay. This song appears on the soundtrack for season
two of the Netflix show Wednesday which dropped over the weekend.
Not only did Lady Guy got contribute to Wednesday with
(35:23):
this song for the soundtrack, but she will also make
a cameo appearance in the show again. Today's afternoon delight
is the Dead Dance by Lady Gaga got him. Do
you watch Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Uh no, But she'd work well with a member of
the Adams family. It's a spinoff, right, it is well
Jenni Ortega, so I know of it. I don't know
if that's their theme song.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
She plays it well too. She does a great job
with that show. Wednesdays is very good. And you're right,
Lady Gaga was fitting perfectly.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh yeah, American horror story, all.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Of that, all of that. She can act a little bit, Yeah,
she can. I thought her. She was great and the
stars born well well yeah, no, good stuff. Okay, So
yesterday we talked about and we talked about extensively, and
you broke it down to us, Adam about this Clipper
(36:15):
Kawhi Leonard Steve Baumber Aspiration company situation and what's going
on with it and different perspectives. Now you have some
new light I am understanding on what's going on or
some new information of what's going on with the investigation.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I just happen to be watching every single show that
Pablo Torre has been going on too right now since
he started this firestorm.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You got him on favorites right now and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I wouldn't say favorites, but I am keeping my notifications
open for any time. What's the alarm bell that rings
on YouTube when you get a new episode that comes in.
That's what it's like right now. And while he hasn't
exactly said anything that groundbreaking, some other people and I
trust Zach Lowe. He's one of my favorites from the
(37:03):
Ringer now, but obviously he was on the Evil four
letter for a while, high level NBA thinker type, indie
basketball type, and he brought up something interesting because ultimately
everyone's talking about what's the punishment going to be should
they find anything with the Clippers here, what could happen?
And a lot of people are trying to parallel to
the situation with Jille Smith, and I think two thousand
(37:25):
are two thousand and one with the Minnesota Timberwolves and
they got hammered, they got the death penalty. Basically, I
think them getting five first round picks taken away and
the fine and Glenn Taylor being suspended for a season
and Kevin McHale. That eventually led to Kevin Garnett leaving
(37:47):
or being traded honestly, because it took away the possibility
of the Timberwolves being able to build a quality team
around him. So that was severe. That's worst case scenario.
But some are bringing that up because that's the precedent here. Now,
it should be of note that there was hard evidence
(38:09):
in that case. There was an actual note because the
Asian eventually left Joe Smith and flipped and gave the
goods on how that deal came about, where basically they
were circumveying the salary cap by saying, Joe Smith, we're
going to pay you, you know, just pennies right now
to keep you under the cap and keep our team
cap situation flexible. And then when we get your bird
(38:31):
rise so we can go over the cap in three years,
we'll make up for it. Then well, that's a big
no note. You can't do that with players. Hence why
they go, oh, yeah, it was in the yellow notepad.
It was rule number one. You want to talk about receipts. Yeah,
(38:52):
this was what was the old show World's Dumbest Criminals
or something where the guy's break get into the house
and he falls to the roof. It was that type
of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Now, start scratching his eye and he takes his mask off.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, how are we going to find him? Oh, we
got his face. In this case, there's no hard evidence
that we have seen so far has been presented by
Pablo Torre. It's all alleged and it's a lot of
connecting dots. However, going back to Zach Lowe here, he
did bring up on his show that according to the
CBA Bylaws, circumstantial evidence is enough for punishment. Here it
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says in the by laws may be proven by direct
or circumstantial evidence, including but not limited to, evidence that
a player and a contract or any term or provision
thereof cannot rationally be explained. Well, people are wondering right now,
how do you explain away what's happening with Kawhi being
(39:55):
paid twenty eight million dollars from aspiration when from what
we have not seen yet as him being in a
commercial or doing anything.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But my question on that aspect of and I get
you got to be specific and where's the paperwork for that?
When he signed that deal. How long after he signed
that deal did Aspirations file for bankruptcy.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think it was in a year and a half
to two years. Like, there was probably adequate time for
them to figure out how to get a commercial or
him to be a spokesman and promote it like Robert
Downey Junior did. But we don't know what. We can't
compare a company that was defrauding everyone and act like
that's a normal functioning company. They are convicted of fraud,
(40:42):
so to be like, why would they ever give away
this money? Why would they do something like that?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Why would they fraud everybody out like they did a
lot of stuff that was highly illegal and irregular. It
doesn't make a lot of sense. We're trying to rationalize
a company, and that was breaking a lawn.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
In which either Bomb or Kawhi knew this company was
a fraud, a fraud, right, So it could have been
early on they knew this was going in the wrong direction,
and somebody got to Kawhi say, hey, just pump your
brakes on this company until we find out they're all
on the op and up. So we're not going to
do anything for ye I could have been that.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It looks suspicious that they're continuing to pay him. But
the truth is we're going to have to get some
type of explanation, and that's what the NBA is investigating.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Will Kawhi ever give any kind of explanation?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't know how this works. Would he be interviewed
for this? It would make sense. It's not a you know,
it's not a court of law thing. It's they didn't
break a law.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
The NBA, I don't know. I don't know what you
would call it. But can't they at least question everyone involved?
And wouldn't they have the ability to question Kawhi and
Steve Bomber or can they just say we're taking the fifth,
We're not going to say anything until you make this
a criminal matter.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That's a good question. I wonder if they did, if
they pushed back against the NBA interviewing them would not
be good. It'd probably look bad on them and like
they're trying to hide something, which I think is why
Steve Balmer came out last Thursday to get out in
front of this and be like, hey, we got nothing
to hide here. I'm willing to talk about it. So
it's ongoing it's a fluid situation. As they say, it
(42:25):
is way above my pay grade, and we shall see
where the evidence in the facts lead.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All right, coming up, our man Bill Plunkett of the
OC Register's gonna join us. We'll we'll ask him about
the bullpen woes and whether or not he would have
left Tyler Glass now in the game to finish that
no hitter. Let's talk to him in a minute. A
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