Moore Outdoors With Chester Moore 03/22/24--Chester talks new hunting & fishing technology called Deer's Eye View with Jonathan Britton

• Chester Moore talks new hunting and fishing technology called Deer's Eye View with Jonathan Britton.
  
  

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the program. This isChester Moore. And at the Houston Fishing
Show, I had some people comeup to me showing me their phone and
asking me if I ever thought abouthow a deer sees. Well, I
have because I did an article likevery early in my career about deer vision.
But they I never got to actuallysee like a deer seas. I

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could just kind of get the informationput together and imagine it. They showed
me a phone and they showed methe crowd and said this is what a
deer would see in a color spectrum. It was absolutely amazing. And on
the line we have Jonathan Britton withDeer's iView. Welcome to the program,
man, thanks for having me.So let's go ahead and get it out

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of the way. What is Deer'sI View. It's a very very interesting
title for your product. I guessa couple what we call ourselves deer nerds.
I got it. We're hunting andU I said, I wonder why
in the world these deer can't seethat hunter's orange, and always kind of
intrigued. So I always looked intoit. Our vision, you know,

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like humans have binocular vision anyway,and I thought about it, and I
said, hey, you know kindof like bird's eye view the phrase and
said, oh, deer's eye viewand see through a deer's eyes. So
you know, about five years later, you know, I looked through my
notes and my phone and back intwenty twenty one, I save the word
daltonization. So that's how far backI've been sitting there kind of just thinking
about maybe doing something with it.Wow, So I guess the concept would

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be allowing a hunter, a wildlifephotographer whoever, to be able to see
that spectrum and then adjust their camouflawand adjust all their gear to what the
deer actually see. Well, thinkabout it, who makes camouflage humans based
off of our perspective, not deer'sperspective. Now we know that there's certain

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you have a digital cameo pattern,or you have your you know, your
real tree muscile breakups, your differenttype of patterns. You see an actual
leaf where you have the blurried whereyou're trying to hide your the wet so
you know, but a lot ofit is geared toward what we think is
appealing to what we think of deersees. But then again you're missing some
of the hunter's orange aspects. Whenyou have some of that ultra violin in

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there, you know, wash itdown or if you get plastic eat I
have the material of vests or whatnot. Those can actually like relay a blue
light toward a deer because they seetwenty blue twenty times better than human roughly.
Wow. So that's where I'm goingnext. Let's talk about a deer's
vision. Starting with the white taileddeer. How do they see in comparison

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to us? I mean, whatstands out? What is kind of invisible
to them? At night, they'redominant with their vision because they have more
rocks than comes. They have morerods than humans have. So rods are
there for movement, motion and lettinglight in. So that's a lot of
light in. So during the dayit's almost like whenever you first wake up

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and you were to just open thewindows, it's kind of like blinded or
what have you. So that's kindof the deer's vision during the day.
So they're far sighted. Well,we see at forty yards, a deer
would see at that clarity at twentybe that much closer. But their panoramic
vision they can steal it about thesixty five degree range, they can have

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binocular vision, meaning like you andI, where I can look past my
screen and look out and look furtherand you kind of zoom in on whatever
you're looking at. Use the wordszoom a lot. Well, deer has
about sixty five degrees of that,and then they can see three hundred.
So all they got to do istilt their head a little bit and they
can see three hundred and sixty degrees. But all that those rods let that

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movement, that's how they can catchyou. In terms of the color part
of this, so let's I'm standingout in standard you know, brown and
green camo. I'm sitting on theedge of a clear cut, not moving,
trying to be quiet, not aGhillie suit, just playing camel.
What am I going to look liketo a deer? Well, you would

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hope that you picked the right spotand they can't see you. Yeah,
the idea, But I mean,you're gonna blend in with the environment so
they they see greens now depends onwhat type of green. And one of
the videos we have on Instagram,I'm scanning the phone and I'm going across
camouflage that's blending almost turned into agrayish brownish color. I go across this.

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I think the brand was Nomad,but it was like a horrroy green
hat and that stuck out the sorethum. So it really depends on your
colors and the AI, which,by the way, it's AI powered app,
so the AI picks up on thosedifferent you know, different types or
tones of the colors of green.So you might stick out. But prior
to going to the field, hopefullyyou take the app and you scan your

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camera and make sure you're looking good. So gotcha. So blaze orange,
that's kind of what brought you tothis thing is about, like we're in
the blaze orange so you know,yeah, we have these these full blaze
orange suits. I mean you haveto wear on public lands a certain amount
of blaze orange. And so whatis a typical dull blaze orange colored vest

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is that gonna I mean, whatis that gonna look like to a deer?
Compared to us? It's blaze orangeto us. What does it look
like to a deer? It's gonnabe in my mind, So aside from
taking a you know, an eyeballsticking on a pencil looking through it,
I think I said that to youat the convention. But we will never
truly fully know, but we canget as close as we can to it
with all the scientific research that Ipersonally have not done. But what it

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looks like to a deer would bea solid color, so not a blue,
not an orange or what color.So it'd be like a grayish bluish
hue. Depending on what you're around, it might pick up. But the
problem is if you don't get oneof those hunters orange vests that have the
like a branch going through it orwhat have you, to try and break
up your silhou wet, those arekind of hard to do. They actually

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have gilly suits, which I wishthey made more, that have hundreds orange
the leaves blended in with it.We've done a video. We've got one
suit like that that actually works reallywell. So that's an interesting thing to
me as well in terms of like, you know, you have the blaze
orange, but what about if isit going to just stand out or he
needs something to break up the pattern. I mean, you really need to

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break up the pattern because otherwise you'rejust block shape. You know. If
it's the best that covers here tohear, well, that's what you'll be,
you know, so either way youstill want to camouflage yourself. So
it's my buddy is a were Jesse, my counterpart as he was up this
year, dear season during both seasonOctober is he got I think he was

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wearing he chose the wrong pattern withwhat was it, I'll think of a
camouflage brand. But either way,he grew grabbed the wrong pattern and as
Badlands actually so he grabbed what seemedlike more of a springish tan or like
South Texas. Look, he crawledup in his climber stand. He's up
there, he starts get blown outby all these dough Well, come to
find out, whenever you flip theapp on and actually used it effectively,

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he's stuck out like a sore thumbnext to that tree. So you know,
in that instance, that's where youknow, we really it worked.
So I mean it's you know,that's just one of the few instances as
we use it, we implement inthe forest a little more and kind of
it's fun at So what would theperfect color camo be for hunters are a

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perfect mix of colors? It reallydepends on your you know, where are
you at are we you know,in the National Forest where I hunt a
lot. Are we down South Texas? Are we you know, Utah?
So if it was South Texas,I think you should go with more tans,
tans and browns because you're low brushmesquite type. If you're up here

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in East Texas, you should domore of that love. I like that
real tree, that real bark look, because I'm scared of height. You
know, I find me any videosclimbing up any trees. I ain't doing
it, but I'll sit on theground next to one. We're in some
real bark and not moved, soI hope they don't smell me. Now,
how did you go to the pointfrom Okay, we want to see

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how a dear seees to making thisfunctional in an app. Sitting on the
computer, finally talked to my wife, said, hey, we're not gonna
put any retirement away this year.I'm gonna chase this idea. What do
you think? She said, gofor it. So that's what we did
this last year. And then Ijust kind of went on the line and
googled how do you make an app? What about the scientific aspect of this?

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Did you have anybody yet to consultwith that kind of thing? Yeah,
So there's a lot of the stuffactually that we found is on the
web. So with the app Bros, that's where I was heading with that.
I got what online and the firstperson that offered me a non disclosure
agreement up front was the apt Bros. They've been great with them. I
have a team of five engineers thatare strictly research and development on the the

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app portion they'll spend each guy orgal will spend ninety hours per animal,
so that's five times ninety. Andthen I'm also consulting too, and I'm
looking into it. So then atthe end, you know, it's brought
to me and then I have tosign off on it. So interesting.
So you know, obviously you thinkdeer, you think in a white tail,
I would assume a mule deer seemsthe same way. But what about

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some of your you know, yourlarger ungulates, like your your elk and
moose. I mean, is itthe same kind of vision or is it
slightly different from what we understand?The same the family You're also going to
get into the same the same closewith your turkeys, hogs, your goat
family. A lot of that stuff'sgoing to be in that style of you

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know, you get over and fishis really where we found the wildest vision.
We come back on More Outdoors.We'll talk more about how fish sea.
Welcome back to More Outdoors on NewsTalk five sixty klv I. This
is Chester Moore talking with Jonathan Brittenfrom Deer's eye View. Because they get
underneath the water, they're in murkyconditions. We have a bass and a
catfish on there, and it's yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, I

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fish a lot in really clear watersand private waters, and I do a
lot of trout fishing in the West, and I'm doing fishing in Florida as
well. And fish are spooky.I mean they can be as spooky as
a deer can be. And someof these really clear waters are highly pressured
of fish will see you and jetyou know, they'll be gone. And
there's fish camouflage. I mean,I've worn it before. You know,

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it's like a watery looking, wavylooking pattern before and I know people who
swear by that stuff. So let'stalk about that. You have a bass
on there, and so what whatwhat is a bass sea like? I
mean, that's that's pretty a wildthought to think of something looking under the
water. At you and and itsees in a certain way. So the
fun the weirdest thing, I guessI found it. So since I was

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a kid, I've always ran thosespinner bait, you know, walking along
the shore from your younger eagle grassspinner bait. Typically you get the white
and shartruse color. Come to findout, best don't see that chartreuse.
They see it white. So ifeverybody was always happy about the fact that
they were hitting that shark troops,I think they really liked the color of
white. That's that's interesting. Yeah, so that's something I've kind of pulled

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out of that. But but that'sbased off of you know, once again,
humans and our demand for chartruce andevery guy that was older than me
when I was young tell me,oh, I'll get the sharkroops, you
know, h it's interesting. I'llbe very true to see what a bonefish
suits like and a permit, andI know there's a there's a market out
there for guys on that. Andthey're so spooky, I mean, like

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unbelievably spooky to see and stuff.You know, I wonder if color movement
or what I mean. No,but I haven't interviewed a bonefish yet,
although I would love to that wouldbe that would be really cool. Yeah.
I tried interviewing a mass at atank one time. He wouldn't by
And it's on YouTube somewhere, butthe icast show, like, you guys
don't listen to me when I'm fishinganyway, so why would you listen to
me now? But it's I thinkit's a really interesting idea. And so

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tell me you can get the app? I guess you know where can you
get the app? Is there awebsite people can go to learn more?
Yeah, deersiview dot com. Actually, we're loading. We've got another four
pages coming up that are more justdedicated to just facts on a lot of
A lot of the app too,is going to be educational a little bit
behind un online. Each animal willhave specifics on their vision, like,

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okay, we didn't touch on aduck, but duck are absolutely crazy when
it comes to vision. That's howif you're a duck hunter. I personally
don't do it a lot. Mycounterpart, Jesse does. He likes to.
He's a duck hunter guy. That'smy favorite kind of hunting's waterfowl.
So yeah, he loves it.So even then you would know how many

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times you're sitting there, laying there, and then ducks aside, we're out
of it. Well they saw,yeah, they saw you somehow or another.
And they even have a fourth strainand vision that we don't have,
which is in the ultra violent category. So I mean, it's it's in
pretty pretty insane the ducks. Soyou know, And that was a question
I had about in general, wasuv you know some of the things even

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like where people wash stuff with,does any of that make a difference on
how you know, how that we'reseen and perceived. Yeah, you definitely
want to get all the ultra violentout that you can, because it's not
so much that a deer or theseanimals will actually see ultra violence so to
speak, like a like I meanyou think ultra violet, you're probably thinking
an infrared image in your mind typeof thing. I don't see that,
But they'll see in that that's whatyou want to call it, that sight

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field, So they'll be in thatcategory. We'll they'll pick it up.
Well, they'll sense it. Solike with the deer sees that blue,
whereas a duck seas the same asa human, but just more vivid,
so vivid. Yeah, so youtake a picture with your camera and you
click to that camera they're warm orcool, and then you have vivid.
So imagine everything just be in becauseeach one of your sliding scales is what

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I call it, it'll be acolor scale, and it's a bar basically
a sideways bar graph. And there'sjust a little bit longer than ours on
the red side, which basically thisshowed that it was just more vivid.
And they can see three hundred degreesand they have binocular vision like we do,
so get some good camera. Yeah. So funny story. I was

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hunting with my friend Lucas pelt Outat the Anniwac Natural Wildlife Refuge back in
November of twenty twenty three, andit's public land and we know that there's
someone really shouldn't be on this particularpond that we're on. They're on like
their back past a big thing,and all of a sudden, I see
like this like this color in there, and I'm going and get starting what

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and notice that the birds were comingin and they would they would go like
where they were and they were justyes, they must be exposed. And
then all of a sudden at theend of the hunt, these guys stood
up about an hour for we leftand the guy was wearing blaze fricking orange
jacket. Duck hunting. Yeah,now he needed deer's eye view. You

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know, he would have stuck out. And I'm going this guy had obviously
never waterfall in it before, youknow, No, it's and then fishing
lures with that, you know,duck gets hard because you can't really mess
with too much of their crazy vision. With a camera, you only have
the capabilities of the camera. Butwith the lures, that's where it's fun.

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Going to the basket crow or academyor wherever. Just walk your fishing
lure section and see what pops.But just because it pops to your eye
doesn't mean that's what's you know,it's your success rate with Like I mentioned
the chartreuse thing, he started noticing, Hey, maybe bass actually like the
color white, so add more whiteor get a solid white or whatever.

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The worms that you know, andcolors changed, the deeper they go like
reds disappear or forget what first andI forget what depth that is now.
I did an article on that along time ago. But a lot of
fun stuff to play with. I'dimagine this would be a great thing for
a young man or a young girlthat's interested in the great outdoors, you
know, maybe tech savvy kid ateam and like, hey, we're gonna

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go pick out our camo, andwe're gonna go pick out some fishing lawyers.
We're gonna bring this app with us, you know, and we're gonna
kind of use this as a guidepost. Well, we've also got coming up
coming out soon. There's a dogand a cat or canine and feline vision,
so that coyote and bobcat. Nowthere we go coming out as we
speak. Coyote, bobcat, wolfyou name it. Or Schnauzer or Schnauzer.

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Okay, bull, massive Doberman.Got all my stuff here, Yeah,
but very cool, man. Thisis a really interesting development, and
it's taken a fun approach but alsokind of like a scientific approach to hunting
and fishing. Make the literally seethings. Your journey of helping create this

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app and this whole thing, whathave you learned? What is the biggest
standout from this biggest standout? Man, I'll tell you, I just I'm
I've become more I guess scientifically abouthunting, and I've just become more uh

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more of an outdoorsmen, I guessbecause I liked my story was always I'm
a big predator hunter. I loveto hunt predators because they have no natural,
no natural themselves, like hogs.So I just enjoyed learning about my
my prey. I wanted to knowwhat I was hunting, so I knew
weaknesses and gains. And one ofthe things you could never find anything how

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they saw. And we're always tryingto sprinkle ourselves and be hidden, you
know, yeah, biggest trying themwith the smell factor. Yeah, everything's
all about smell. Smell, smell, you know. And then get in
a box, you know, andeverybody can camouflage on a box. You
shouldn't have camouflage. I should bewearing black. So I learned that well.
Actually I did an article to Huntlike a Ninja one time about turkey

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hunting and ground blinds, and Iwore the black with the mask and black
everything and black gloves and the blackand the inside and that's how that's how
a turkey hunt is like that.Yeah, of course, if you're if
you're twenty feet in the air,you know, in a big bline you
know, you can wear whatever youwant. But that's a great point that
it makes you think about it anadded dimension to hunting, and I can

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added dimension how you can be successful. Absolutely. I mean they they already
out match us. We're in theirenvironment, I said something where you intersect
nature running its course. That's wherethe hunt begins. You know, we
go into their place, they're runningtheir course, and we're throwing a monkey
wrench in it. So you know, it's really interesting there. You know,
when they did their Yellowstone Wolf frustrationin nineteen ninety four, they had

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certain goals to meet for all thefree wolves. Well now they're like it,
it's the thousands of wolves. Andthey went all the way over to
Washington now and causing problems with alot of elk units being closed like Idaho,
and they mentioned in Idaho, Ithink the success rate for wolf hunting

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is like six percent something like that. I mean, very very low.
And you know they're having a problemwith that. And so you know,
I think a lot of people justassume, like coyotes, Okay, you
get a dying rabbit call and youturn it on and you get in the
bushes and hope they don't come indown within w and I think that's kind

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of what people. You know,the average general public is not a hardcore
predator hunter, and you might luckout like that, but there's a whole
lot more and this is going tohelp you understand better the visual keys of
predators, of coming up of fish, of ungulates, and it's a very
fun thing waterfowl. And the turkeything is, you know, I think

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a good market for you because youknow, the turkey guy guy man.
We need all help we can get, you know, like you know,
and they're about I'm going two weeks. There's a lot of seasoned changes I
believe about to happen across America withturkeys because of problems with declining turkey numbers
and too much harvest in certain times. I think we're gonna start having probably

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seen the later turkey seasons, whichmakes it harder and so we need all
the help we can get. Sothank you for investing your time and your
passion into all of this. Andone more time, how can people connect
with you? Uh? You cango to deersidview dot com. We're also
on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok.We just started YouTube, so we're just
beginning to grow YouTube, Instagram,probably our strongest check out Deer's I view

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a very fascinating technology. We lovehaving this really cool, tech savvy stuff
here on More Outdoors And when wecome back, we're going to have a
really bizarre story that involves a wholedifferent level of technology, maybe the wildest
thing you've ever heard on More Doors. Welcome back to More Outdoors on News
Talk five sixty KLVI. This isChester Moore. Follow me at the Chester

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More on Instagram, Higher Calling Wildlifeon Facebook, and subscribe to my blog
at higher Calling dot net. It'san award winning blog. It has incredibly
deep content in terms of research,so please check it out. A lot
of new stuff on there, andwe're about to talk about something that had
been working on for a couple ofyears and it's probably the most bizarre thing

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I've ever had on the program,but it needs to be heard. About
A year and a half ago,someone told me that there was a rumor
that there had been a Marco Polosheep cloned in Montana. This immediately jumped
out at me because you can't bringMarco Polo sheeps live into the United States.

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You can bring harvested trophies, butthere are no Marco Polo sheep or
other argulli, which of the Asianwild sheep brought into the United States of
America at this point, then theyshowed me a photo and it was obviously
a screened capture from a social mediapost. There was no name attached to
it, but it showed a MarcoPolo sheet. Now, this Marco Polo

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sheet looked like it was in asort of captive setting. It was grassy,
but looked captive. It could havebeen in Montana, or it could
have been in Mongolia, and Ijust kind of forgot about it, kind
of foiled it in the back ofmy mind. And then a few months
later, on this very podcast,I was interviewing someone about cloning for a

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project being done for some extinct species, and in the course of that conversation,
the person I interviewed mentioned that someonein Montana had cloned big horned sheep,
And then all of a sudden,it just clicked. Montana is not
a state like Texas where you canjust bring anything in. For example,
it's illegal to bring in mouf laonor Transcaspian uriel or our golli Intoingly,

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so it just clicked. It's likewhere there's smoke, there is fire.
So on February tenth, twenty twentythree, I reached out to the Montana
Fish Parks in Wildlife Department and reachedout to someone in the Wildlife Division,
and the answer that I got wasvery interesting. The answer, exactly verbatim,

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is quote, I am unaware ofany sheep cloning that has occurred in
Montana involving domestic or exotic species,regardless the possession of any prohibited exotic species
cloned or otherwise would be in violationof state law. I afforded these concerns
onto the Law Enforcement Division. Asof February fourteenth, twenty twenty four,

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I have not heard from the LawEnforcement Division. What I didn't realize was
there was a major federal wildlife casethat to this day is ongoing on this
particular subject. A Montana man hasbeen charged with trafficking and conspiracy under federal
law for cloning a Marco Polo sheep, as well as breeding and selling its

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offspring and DNA across several states.This broke last week. Marco Polo sheep
inhabits Central Asia's premier mountains. Innations such as Mongolia to Djikistan and Kyrgyzstan
and can only be imported as trophieswith strict permitting. This includes a Convention

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on the Trade of Endangered Species side'sexport permit from the country in which it
was harvested, in addition to apermit for the United States Fish and Wildlife
Service for import, possession and otheruses. The defendant, Arthur Jack Schubarth,
entered into a plea agreement with thefederal officials for one count of Lazy

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Act trafficking and one count of conspiracyto violate the Lacy Act. The Lazy
Act, according to Forest Legality,was initially created in nineteen hundred and it's
a US law that bans trafficking offish wildlife for plants that are illegally taken,
possessed, transported, or sold.Shoe Barth and five named co conspirators

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labeled persons A through E by federalofficials, were allegedly involved in various activities.
Three persons are from Texas, onefrom Montana, and another from Minnesota.
Court documents reveal the following. Onor about January twenty fifth, twenty
thirteen, person A entered the UnitedStates with biological tissue from Marco Polo Argalli

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sheep that had been hunted in Kyrgyzstan. Person A did not declare the animal
parts upon entry. On or aboutJanuary thirty first, twenty thirteen, Shoebarth
entered into a quote sell storage agreementwith a corporation for storage and preservation of
the above reference tissue from a maleMarco Polo sheep named Rocky. On or

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about October sixth, twenty fifteen,sho Barth entered into an ovine cloning contract
to clone an unspecified number of MarcoPolo sheet from the tissue. He provided
a down payment of forty two hundreddollars for the cloning. On or about
November twenty second, twenty sixteen,shu Barth received one hundred and sixty five

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cloned Marco Polo embryos at the shuBarth ranch in Montana. On or about
May fifteenth, twenty seventeen, apure Marco Polo or Golli sheet mail was
born from the cloned embryos, whichshue Barth named Montana Mountain King or MMK
for short. Starting in twenty eighteen, the latest Shubarth harvested seamen from Montana,

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Mountain King in order to inseminate usefor one of the as yet unnamed
people in the documents. There's alot to this story that has many,
many implications. We're making no judgmentson those implications. You're just reporting the
facts. I did reach out tothe Department of Justice upon hearing about this
entering the courts, and I gotthis reply, Thank you for reaching out.

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Unfortunately, due to the ongoing natureof the case, we don't have
any comment to pass along at thistime. The cloning of the Marco Polo
sheep, also known as the PremierArgalli, from an as yet undisclosed piece
of tissue, represents a significant advancementin cloning technology and accessibility to the general

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public. From the successful cloning ofDolly the sheep, the world's first cloned
mammal, way back in nineteen ninetysix. This is the first significant case
involving wildlife cloning, and it haspotentially huge implications across several areas of the
wildlife industry. As I said inthe intro, this was something I was

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sort of looking at for over ayear and a half. I had just
little pieces of information that had filteredmy way, and when I heard about
the cloning of some big horns inMontana. I thought there had to be
some kind of connection and maybe theMarco Polo cloning was a reality. Well,
it is a reality, And Iactually went online and looked at some

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of the people's Facebook profiles and thingsand saw photos, mentions of cloning,
lots of stuff like that on there. So this is an interesting case and
we'll probably have people over the nextyear as this thing unfolds, talking about
different aspects of what's going on here, perhaps on the program, but I
want to get this news information toyou first. You heard it here,

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folks. A Marco Polo sheep thatwas cloned from tissue brought into the United
States was born in Montana, andoffspring from that were created. And we're
seeing for the very first time newsorts of wildlife crimes identified by the federal
government. Really interesting time to bea wildlife journalists. What do you think

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about the cloned Marco Polo? Thingskeep just getting stranger and stranger in the
great outdoors. You know, wehad someone who cloned a blackfooted ferit as
a part of a project with theUS Fish and Wildlife Service, and that
kind of opened my eyes to whatbiotech was meaning to the great outdoors.
And now we have this really interestingcase with the Marco Polo sheep. And

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you know the thing about this programis we go where no other outdoors programs
are going and try to go deepinto all the topics are going to mean
something in the now and also inthe future, because there's gonna be a
lot of things here. The impactwe had, you know, a gentleman
on last year talking about the hogtoxic an issue that has now been legalized.
We'll have a whole show on thatcoming up again. And there's been
a hog contraceptive that's been legalized.We'll also talk about that. So cutting

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edge stuff here on More Outdoors.You're going to read m depth reports at
Higher Calling dot net, my blog, and keep up with me at the
Chester. We're on Instagram, HigherCalling Wildlife on Facebook. We come back
on More Outdoors another pretty wild story. Welcome back to More Outdoors on News
Talk five sixty KLVI. If you'velistened to this program very long, you

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know I love sharks, especially thegreat white and there's a great white shark
that showed up at South Padre Islandand I have an exclusive interview with the
man who tagged the shark February twentysixth, two thousand and twenty four,
a fourteen foot long, twenty sixhundred pound great white shark pinged off the

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coast of Get ready for this twohundred yards off the coast of South Podry
Island on the Texas Mexico border.An incredible story and it's the next amazing
chapter and over a twenty year investigationI've been doing on great whites in the
Gulf. So I have the incredibleprivilege of interviewing Captain Chip Michael Love of

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outcast Sport Fishing, who tagged thisgreat white in December off the coast of
South Carolina. Oh man, thisis really gotten crazy. It's I didn't
think it would go that viral becauseI don't know, We've tagged a bunch
of white sharks, but he waspinging like two hundred yards off your beach

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on Padre Island yesterday. I'm acharter fisherman outcast Board Fishing, Hilton Head,
South Carolina, and I've always beenobsessed with sharks. I got a
couple of state records and I'm Iget more requests for shark than anything else
and just through the years, Iwas trying to be the first person ever

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catch a great white shark anywhere inthe state or southeastern United States. And
this was started fifteen years ago,and then ten years ago I finally caught
my first one. And then onceI caught my first one, a lot
of scientists reached out. And thenonce the second one. Once I called
the second one, a lot ofscientists reached out and I and the biggest

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white shark organization on the East coastcalled and and UH, which is the
Atlantic White Shark Conservancy, And theysaid, hey, listen, we don't
have any data from any sharks inthere. Would you be willing to put
our satellite tags, acoustic tags andpa SAT tags on these great whites?
You know, would you like toteam up? And I said absolutely,
I'll put these tags out that thatway it helps us both, you know,

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I'd love to see where they goand you know, learn more about
what I have here, because Iwas kind of walking on Mars like nobody
had ever caught in here. Soso I teamed up with him and started
putting satellite UH tags on them.These sharks are swimming away with about gosh
there, let's see four they're swimmingaway with about ten thousand dollars worth of

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technology. So it's it's fascinating.There's so much data from these from this
material, from this material putting onand uh and they so so we've been
tracking them up and down, andyou know a lot of mine go all
the way to Canada and Nova Scotia, and we've had a handful of going

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to the Golf of Mexico. Andthen there is the one that we caught
in December that we were she's agreat pinging shark. She's the best pinging
shark we've ever had. And theyhave to breach, don't they. Yeah,
their fin has to break the surfaceand connect to a satellite. So
so, and there's been some sharksthat I've tagged that just weren't good pingers

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because they would never surface. Notonly is this shark the biggest one we've
caught in three years, she's thebest pinging shark we've ever had because she
swims on the surface so much.And uh. And not only is she
the best ping shark because she's onthe surface, but she's now traveling to
the furthest way. She went aroundthe Florida Keys into the Golf of Mexico

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and now she's around the Mexican USborder. Uh, and where she is
today? And and I mean shewas just a couple of hundred yards off
to your beech yesterday, so shemoved out a little bit. Looks like
she moved a little south and alittle offshore today last night, but she's

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still in that area. And it'sit's it's it's definitely making history here.
So I mean, we kind ofhave the We kind of hit a home
run with this shark. Not onlyis she our best peen shark because she
surfaces, but she's gone the furthestwest than any of them that have ever
carried a satellite tag. So that'sthat's incredible. So how long was she?
She was fourteen point one feet approximately, Wait what would you estimate on

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Wait? About two thousand, yeah, twenty six, twenty six hundred.
She was really fat. Wow,she was really really fat. She shouldn't
she shouldn't have been that we sheshould be a little lower. But she
was extraordinarily heavy. She was shewas she was extraordinarily overweight. And you

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know, I tell you another thingI found really interesting. She had the
most seal scars, the most sealscratches. They call them scratches. She
had the most seal scratches that I'veever seen on a great white. That
shark was along that northeastern tier ofthe United States where there are a lot
of seal activity, and this sharkcontinues to ping. You can follow this

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shark via the Atlantic White Shark Conservatoryapp and it's a really cool thing to
follow this shark. Also, there'sa group o serch who tags great white
sharks and not the sharks, butright now this one is pinging more than
any other shark that has been taggedthat we know of, which means it's
coming up near the surface. Andanother cool thing about the shark. For

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the first day, they actually hada camera attached to her and got footage
out there and a wild, wild, wild story. You can get more
in depth on that story at Hirecollingdot net check out my blog about the
inside details. But these are thekind of things we focus on here on
more outdoors, really deeply interesting outdoorstuff. I mean, who doesn't think

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sharks are cool? Either you're terrifiedof them, fascinated by them, or
both. And it's just such acool thing for me. On a personal
level to be able to talk tothese people and connect with something I've been
working on since two thousand and fiveon great white sharks in the Gulf of
Mexico. I mean, the backstoryis a friend of mine called me from

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a satellite phone in the golf fiftyfive miles out and asked me what a
great white's teeth look like. Isaid, dude, you're fishing is yes,
I know, I'm fishing. There'sa giant shark behind the boat and
it has these teeth. I said, well, I said, what does
it look like? He because youtell me? He goes, does a
maco have perfectly, you know,triangular teeth? Or does a great white?

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I said, a great white?Does a maco has, you know,
kind of jagged teeth? He goes, oh my god, it's a
great white. And that inspired someresearch that I did and some other people
i'd spoken with that had encounters,and that article appeared in Tied magazine that
year and got a little bit ofheat. People were like, that's not

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real. They are now. Greatwhites always have that voice, you know
when they do that. There areno great whites in the golf. And
of course I had information there fromNoah, that showed that there had been
a history of Great Whites. Andthen when the Great White started showing up
around Florida with O search tags aboutten years ago, definitely vindication. And
I said, there'll be one inTexas. And three years ago one popped

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up off the Texas coast, onehundred and forty miles out. But this
particular fish, Lee Beth, it'sa whole different level. She came further
west, way further south than anyother great wife that's ever had a tagg
in it and just off the beach, literally within the distance of someone to
wait out and cast a surf fraud. I mean, amazing, amazing stuff.

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And you know, it just opensup. You know. My imagination
makes me think when I was alittle boy in Galveston going out in the
sixty first Street pier when it wasmuch longer than it is now from storm
damage, a beautiful full moon risingover the golf Me and my dad and
my friend Chris Willinson were out thereand we're like twelve years old, and
there are people catching bonny heads andAtlantic sharp nose and I was so excited

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literally just being around a shark.I'd never actually seen a live shark before
and it was incredible. I'm another than an aquarium. And I remember
asking my dad that night, doyou think there's any great whites out here?
He goes, Son, there mightbe. Well, that just opened
up the whole world and the wholeocean to me. And so that's why
this is so special to me ona personal level, because I've been wondering

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about this my whole life, andgreat whites and the Gulf is true.
Great whites in Texas is true.We now we know, you know,
there aren't that many white sharks withtags compared to the population. So if
two have showed up in Texas,so one on the beach, how many
others are actually out there? It'san incredible, incredible thing. And you
know Captain Michael Loves caught forty sevenand tagged them off South Carolina. That's

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like my dream. There's no otherfishing dream that could touch catching and getting
my hands on a great white sharkand put a tag in the just being
part of Probably if you catch oneof those, you're gonna have a couple
of guys fighting the fish. Thatwould be amazing. But it's great to
see that people like him and otherresearchers are out there doing incredible work,
and I pledge you this year,in my twenty fifth year of More Outdoors,

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