- In this conclusion of a two-part series, Chester Moore talks with a bear attack survivor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Moro out Doors on News Top five sixty
klv I. This is Chester Moore. Last week we had
a really intense show about a grizzly attack. This week
is part two in the aftermath of being attacked by
a grizzly. So here we catch up with my friend
Ben Verhill of Dubois, Wyoming, telling of him going back
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to camp and what happened on the way.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It wasn't you know, it was starlight, So I just
kept going.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I knew where I was. I could stay on the trail.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
All I had to do was walk into camp, you know,
another half mile and I'm walking along up on this
little bench off the creek, and I've got a three
hundred weather be in my hands. I've got thumb on safety,
finger on the trigger guard, and there's one in the two.
And that's just how you walk out grizzly country. And
all of a sudden I get hit from behind Chester
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with it so much force that it's hard to I mean,
I played football, I being a growing up in Wyoming,
I did some fighting, and it's I can't say that
I've ever been hit by a car or three NFL
linemen at the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But when it hit me, I flew in the air.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, I think, and I don't really blame the bear,
because I honestly think that he mistook me for a
wounded bull.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Elk because he got the antlers and a smell and
everything on.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Absolutely, I'm walking down a canyon. The wind is blowing up,
so he can't. I'm sure he could smell the blood
and he could see those big old white time tips coming.
And I think he mistook me for a wounded elk
because the amount of pressure he hit me with would
have been enough to knock a seven hundred pound elk
off its feet. So if he hit me, I just
went straight up airborne. And when that happened, thumb the
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safety off and touched one off while I was in
the air. And my rifle has a a muzzle break
on it, so when that happens, if you ever seen
a rifle go off in the dark, it shoots a
flame about sixty yeah barrel. And so when we hit
the ground, we just kind of both crumpled.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Up and bounced.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And then the bench I was walking on was scree
all the way down to the water's edge, probably another
ten feet, and I wish I could remember. My brain
blocked it out. I don't remember the fall. I remember
hitting the bottom and the bear landing right on top
of me.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So the bear went on top of you already. Soon
as you're down, he's all out on you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I like to you know, I like to think I
got a couple of licks in on the way to
the bottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that heavy backpack and those antlers.
I just kind of went right onto it and it
kind of laid me back over and my head was
just hanging up out of the water, and I had
a paw on each side of my ear, and the
bear's muzzle was about ten inches off mine, and if
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it would have been daylight, I could have looked right
up his nose because he was that close, laying on
top of me, rifle still in hand. There's nothing I
could do. He had me pinned to the top of
that backpack, and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is it.
This is the end of it, you know, this is
how I go out. And for whatever reason, I like
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to think that maybe the elkhorn stuck him a few
times on the way to the bottom, because but I
don't remember, you know, I don't my brain locked.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It probably happened a lot faster even than you think.
It probably was such an instantaneous thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh absolutely, it was just a flash. And I was
skin the water with the bear on top of me,
and he just I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I could see a shadow, and but when he grabbed
a hold of me, I looked down and there was
that yellow ear tank.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Hmm, it was Bubba that got me. Unfair, the same
bear he.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Had a house, had that come from where you left
him to where you're seeing him now?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, he was where we saw him the first time.
He was a mile below our camp, and now he
was half mile above it. So he spent a week
somewhere else, and then he come back. I just happened
to bump into him in the dark, coming up out
of the with an elk on my back, and he's
looking down at me, and I figure, and he just
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snorts right in my face, not hits me, and then
he bolts. He turns and pushes off with both front
feet and ran right back up where we had just
fallen from and abandoned because I think he realized that,
oh my gosh, this isn't an elk. That's a person.
You know that this is not what I thought it was.
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I'm gonna get away for a second. Yeah, but when
he did that, I don't know if it was one
paw or two paws. It got me right in the
face and it drove my head into the rock that
was right behind me and knock me right out. So
when I came to, he was gone. You know I
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came to, everything kind of came flooding back into me.
And I don't really I don't remember how long. I
don't know how long I laid there, but my buddy's
in camp half mile away.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And another thing that kind of would have avoided this
whole thing is when we packed my buddy's elf back
to town, I left my lab with my parents because
she had already spent like six sleepless nights or seven
sleepless nights in camp because she would stay up so
we could sleep and let us know if we had
a bear in camp, which we were around bears every day.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I jump up to my feet because adrenaline. That's
good stuff right there, Holy good stuff. And there's something
about a head injury that makes you mean because when
I got to my feet.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I was furious.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I was just angry, and granted, I didn't have a
live round in my rifle, so I drew my side arm,
which was a forty four magnum and where I was,
I knew there wasn't a living soul within fifteen miles
of us. So I shoot five shots out into the dark,
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saving one round somehow, you know. And it wasn't for
the noise. I didn't know where the bear was. I
wanted to make noise. But I also when I did that,
I could see.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Oh lit up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it lit
it up.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I could see if he was standing there ready to
hit me again, and he wasn't. So I had the
presence of mind to drop in a speedloader, reload my pistol,
and take off towards camp. Like I didn't even feel
that one hundred and fifty pound pack. I jumped to
my feet, fired my pistol, and took off running torture.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You didn't leave the pack there. You decided you're bringing
the pack with you. You just you probably didn't even think
about that. You probably just did it right, Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I couldn't even feel it was on me.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean I shot to my feet, fired my pistol,
and took off towards camp, yelling to my buddy, who
brought his dog back, which was a Rottweiler, And I'm yelling.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Bring your dog, bring your dog. I got hit by
a bear. Bring your dog. Get up here. I'm running
in break. You know, he can hear me yelling, but
adrenaline is amazing. And I actually hit camp just as
he was walking out of it. He had to get
his pack out of the tree.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He had to get and he had a few things
to grab Before you run into a situation where a
bear's chase.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Come to find out, the bear was probably long gone.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But I didn't know that, so you don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We get into camp.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I get into camp and I dropped down and my
face is just pounding.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
My head is pounding. When I look down, his mouth
was buried.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Into my right side, and I'm thinking, oh my god,
what's hanging out?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Because when when he hit me and poolballed me, all
he got was shirt, skin and back pack strap. If
if he would have hit me different, he'd have taken three.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Ribs right out.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I'd have put out.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right there, and that'd have been the end of me.
But we're sitting there, and at the time, I was
a wilderness first responder, wilderness EMT and had everything we
needed to treat probably two mal victims with us.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
We were very well prepared.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And the first thing I asked, my buddy, is is
my face still there?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Because it felt like he ripped my face off when
he hit me with his pop And I had I
had a few I had, I had marks, you know.
I mean, I was my face was covered in blood
and my clothes was covered in blood, but being soaked
and wet, I couldn't tell where the drips were coming
from because I landed in the crick So we assessed
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the wounds, and I had gotten so lucky. I mean,
I had some holes in my scalp line from where
the claws went in when he pushed off, and and
then the most righteous he metoma pinchikey you've ever seen
on my right.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Side with.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Three tooth holes in it. And I got so lucky
because he never really got me. He just he got
shirt and skin, and he bashed me in the face,
ran me over, and then we took a tumble to
the crick and so stare strips, the elastic strips. They're
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a good thing to bring to the mountains like that
because you know, it's usually not trauma that kills you
from a bear maulling, well, a grizzly mauling black, there's different,
but a grizzly mauling, it's usually infection that will get you.
And where it was and where my heart was. Man,
if gang Green reaches your heart.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You're dead.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
When we come back on More Outdoors, we're gonna talk
more about Ben Verhill's epic survival story after being attacked
by a grizzly bear on an elk hunt in Wyoming.
Welcome back to Bor out Doors on News Talk five
sixty klv I. This is Chester Moore. Download the podcast
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of this program. I'm gonna go back to listen to
last week's part one of the grizzly attack story as
we continue part two with Ben Verhill and his epic
comeback from a grizzly attack.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I didn't have you know, what is it three
or six inches an hour that gang Green can grow,
And so the priority was making things clean and we
had aniseptic, we had whiskey, we had q tips, paws,
every little thing you can imagine. So I'm I'm dipping
stuff in the antiseptic in the whiskey and running it
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up inside the claw holes and I mean really scrubbing
stuff out of there to make sure there is no
dick still inside me. And the same with the wound
I had on my side. When everything was cleaned and dressed,
I took those stair strips, stretched them out, put them on,
and then they suck everything back together and they seal it.
So's it's But then about that time, I can feel
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my hat starting to get tight. He means my head swelling,
and that's not a good thing at all. So I
knew for the second night in a row, I wasn't
going to be able to sleep that night because there wasn't.
You might be able to find a worse place in
the lower forty eight to slip into a coma, but
you'd really have to look. I mean, it was a
bad deal. I could not sleep again because if I
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slipped out, what's my buddy going to do?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah? Yea, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was pretty sure he.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Could find the trail head, you know, I like to
think he could, but.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
No guarantees.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
About five am. I probably drifted off for a little
bit and slept for about an hour, and then when
we got up, I knew there was not much point
going back for that out because that's sow and cubs
probably burying and urinated on it and covered it with dirt,
and it was no longer mine, it was theirs at
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that point. I was lucky to have the meat that
I did, which hung up that night and it was
all cooled out and everything was good that way. But
finally daylight came, we took down the corrals, we packed
up camp and decided, you know, it's time.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's time to head for the trailhead.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know, this is this is ridiculous, this is this
is It was one of those trips you know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That, Yeah, you think.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You can't give up.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It was a testament to what.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
A human can withstand, right, because I tested myself and
I went as far and hard as possible. And we
start walking out and I'm still riding on adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, I'm not hurting. I'm not in that bad
of shape.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, I my head is swelling and I can
feel the pulsing in my head. I was concussed and
I'm not even sure I didn't fracture something, but never
had it checked out. I not one of those people
that goes to the hospital unless bones are poking out
and blood squeak.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's been a tough a out.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So we start down the trail, but now my sisters
because I didn't want to put those antlers on my
sister's mayor for fear that she would hurt herself, and
so I'm wearing them on my backpack leading her. So
she's got this big, bloody elk face staring her right
in the face all the way down the trail. So
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twice or three times she yard sailed us on the
way out of there, and we had to repack everything up.
And after the second or third yard sailed, my brain
started really kind of working again, and I realized, you know,
how serious the situation was, and how close it was
for my buddy to try and get out of the wood,
get out of the mountains, and have to explain to
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my mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
That I wasn't coming back. Yeah, And so.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We made our way all the way out of there,
got to the truck, loaded everything up, got the critters
in the trailer, went back, went our separate ways, and
I went home to Crowhart or I went home to
where I was living on this big ranch. He went
home where he was going. And I get all the
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way home, and being that you know, fourth generation butcher,
my priority was to get that meat cooled out, cleaned up,
put away.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So I did all that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I went inside and I laid down on the couch.
And this is probably four thirty five o'clock in the evening.
By that time, it was took all day to get
out of there. And I laid down and shut my eyes,
and I when I opened them, it was almost three
o'clock the next day. So I had slept through the
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night and almost all the way through the next day.
And when I woke up, adrenaline was gone, and I
could not physically rise.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That shot of adrenaline hit the end of every extremity
so hard that I mean I could feel every muscle
in my eyelids and my I mean everything hurt, everything hurt.
And I literally here, I am the pride of my youth,
in incredible shape. And I could not physically rise, but
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I could reach the telephone. And I'm thinking to myself,
oh boy, who the heck am I going to call
at three o'clock in the afternoon. I still had two
days off, and who am I going to call? And
then the realization hit me that, oh god, Ben, you're
gonna have to call your mom because she's the only
one that does. She doesn't have anything to do right now.
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She could show I reached that phone. And you know,
growing up here in Wyoming Wind River Mountains absri Oca Mountains,
there was a lot of things that I just didn't
tell her about that because they'd worry about me, the
bear encounters, the getting rim or the everything that you
learned the hard way. I kind of I did it,
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and I call her up and I'm like, hey, Mom,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And she's like, oh, Ben, We're so glad you're home.
We've been worried about you. How is your trip? Is
everything okay?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And did you have it to get an elk because
you have fun? I was like, yeah, I got an
elk everything. I had a lot of fun, but I
probably wanted to have.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, there was this grizzly attack. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And then I said, hey, you know, is there any
chance you could come down here and help me out
with some food? And she said, oh, for heaven's sake, Ben,
you're twenty five years old. What do you I said, well, Mom,
I had kind of an accident. She said, you got
bucked off a horse, didn't you? And I said yeah,
but that was the first day and that that's behind me.
I said, I had. I said, well, I got mauled
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by grizzly bear. And she said, oh my goodness, I
am on my way. It was at least a forty
five minute trip to get there from town. Mom made
it in like thirty one minutes, which is phenomenal. This
is like worried Mama Bear coming to tender her wounded cub.
And so I'm laying there. She came in and she's like,
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all right, come on, let's go. We're going to the hospital.
Your face is all puffy, you got holes all over you,
your your mess. You got to go to your elbow's
broken band. And I was like, Mom, I still have
two days left, I have a bathtub. I'm just going
to lay here and lick my wounds. I'm gonna be
I'm a stubborn, stubborn mountain man. I'm I'm all right,
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you know, just give me a chance to heal up.
And she's she tried, and she tried to get me
to go in, and I.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Just wouldn't do it. So eventually she left and she
went back to town.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the next morning telephone rings right away, and it's
the newspaper, and they asked, oh, man, we heard about
what happened. Would you would you be interested in writing
an article for the paper and tell you And I
was like nope, And I hung up the phone and
I laid there for the whole day thinking about, you know, gosh,
if I could keep that from happening just one other person,
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it was writing that up. So I wrote up a
nice article for the paper. I mean, it was amazing
how fast the news spread through town and got to
the news. My mom must have told everybody in town
in less than twenty four hours what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I'm way out in the sticks.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean, it took almost an hour to get to
my house from town working on this big ranch, and
not that all right, if it'll keep it from happening
to one other person, I wrote up the article and
it went to a whole bunch of different newspapers.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And basically the.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Moral of the whole article was, you know, don't pack
out an elk in the dark by yourself. It's just
not a good idea because I know what I'm doing
and it still happened to me, and it just I
got extraordinarily lucky.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I really don't blame the bear.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I really I made a lot of mistakes and he
I honestly believe that he mistook me for a wounded bull, and.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think, well, it makes sense, you know, I do.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I've done quite a bit of work with sharks and stuff,
and there will be times where you know, a shark
hits somebody and it's just the first hit doesn't and
it's a big shark and it could kill them, take them,
eat them, and it just realizes, oh, that wasn't a fish.
That wasn't a seal on to the next one. Doesn't
mean it doesn't a highly dangerous traumatic event, but it's
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the if the intent of the animal were different, the
outcome would have been a lot different.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh yeah, absolutely, he he could. He had me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What a fascinating story. And we're going to continue this
in the rest of the program.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
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a crazy, intense grizzly attack. Welcome back to Morale Doors.
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On News Talk five sixty k ov I or were
starting to wrap up part two of our series on
a grizzly attack that occurred in Wyoming. What an incredible
story of survival and determination.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Even with multiple guns, he still had me.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It was now you mentioned the tag in the ear?
Did you ever did you ever see a number or
find any info about this bear?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
No? I had. I didn't even turn him in.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I figured maybe in the next few years they'd delist
Grizzly and I might go up there and get a
little revenge.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
But that never happened to you.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm gonna go back for him, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, you know he kind of I kind of he
kind of hoped me one. You know, I smacked him
in the eye pretty good with that rock, So I
figured I had a little bit of a butt whooping coming,
and believe me, I got it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So were there any mistakes made on the first encounter
or do you think that you did everything right?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
There.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I think we did everything right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think that if we would have sprayed him, we
also would have got We probably would have got ourselves
in the horse and mule. So I think by not
spraying him and not shooting it just avoided the blow
up that come charging at us. Yeah, we'd both lost
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our critters and we probably would have killed him dead
right there.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, and that would have been in a data species violated,
potentially investigation type of things. So you did what you
bet with with your training and your experience dealing with
a highly dangerous situation.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You know, a lot more people been have entered the
woods since the pandemic, record numbers of not only hunters,
but campers, hikers, fishermen, and a lot of people going
in the country as well as you know, we have
black bear numbers, which you know, play dead if you're
hit by a brown and you if you're black bears.
We'll do a whole show about that at some point.
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Sometimes those are carnivorous, you fight back. But a lot
more people encountering animals, they're used to sitting in a
computer and now they're around a large carnivore.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What would you say to people.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Who are going out in that kind of country and
may may have taken it for granted and thinking, oh,
you know, it's just another thing. I mean, how prepared
should the what should the average person going in bear
country have with them, and what.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Should they do?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, there's the obvious thing about packing out your
food and all the steps they'll give you. But is
there anything just as an experienced man, you can tell
people about bear country that maybe other people wouldn't tell us.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, just just be hyper aware that they're there.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, okay, know that they're there.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And if you say you're hunting, if you fire a shot,
your head is on a swivel because they've they've learned
that that's a dinner bell and so they will come
to gunshots. So you just got to be ready for
any thing. And then you know, in the non hunting,
if you're in a non hunting situation, if you're fishing,
if you're recreating, make noise, you know, let the animal
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know you're coming, because most of the time they don't
want anything to do with us.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
They really don't.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I mean, it's not like bears, girsly bears are out
there maliciously hunting people or anything like that, because they're not.
You know, we figure, I figure one time, you know,
out of the nine hundred and ninety nine times you
went out there on that one thousandth you know, excursion,
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you might have a bad encounter.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So it's a very rare thing. And if you're.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Aware of it and you're you're you're doing the right things.
You're not sleeping where you cook, you're you're hanging everything.
Your toothpaste, your chapstick, everything goes in that tree.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And you can't make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They're just it's you just can't because it can cost
you your life. It's not because the bear's hunting you.
It's because it's fall and they're trying to put on
extra weight before they go to bed, and they're just
looking for stuff. They're looking for, you know, a grizzly bear.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
You know, the.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Wildlife biologists will tell you that they're not territorial, but
I disagree with that. I think grizzly bears are very
much territorial. And you know, with difference between a black
bear and a grizzly bear, the black bear is the opportunist.
They see as a food source. The grizzly bear sees
you as a pain in their butt and a suspasser.
So there's just certain precautions. You can bluff most bears.
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You can't bluff them when they're that big, but you
can definitely let them know that you're a force to
be reckoned with.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And you hope you don't have to kill them. And
if you do, you do it right.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And if you're in the situation that you can use
the spray by all means, use it because it works.
It absolutely works. If you can use the spray without
hurting yourself or someone else or you know, because you
don't want to be blind laying there on the ground
wondering where the bear is.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So you got in like wind and you know everything
else that's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, the wind is a huge factor. You just got
to be ready, you know, you just got to be
You cannot turn it off. You have to be paying
attention all the time. Go out, enjoy it, be out there.
You know, it's a rare thing that happened to me,
and I got extraordinarily lucky. And after you know, I
spent twenty years in search and rescue and it I've
(25:27):
seen a few people that didn't get as lucky as me,
and it's not something that you want to happen. I mean,
it's it's life changing. I got extraordinarily lucky.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Did did it cause you to have any trauma about
going back out?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Did you know? Okay, you just went back out and figured,
well that was what happened, and now we're back to normal.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, back to normal.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Now. I did have kind of a I feel like
I might have a little bit of you know, the
lasting trauma. Well, I'm looking for the right word for
that post traumatic stress syndrome. When the movie The Revenant
came out, Yeah, did you see that one in that malling?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, that that got to me. That got to me
pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I I watched it, but I wasn't I being Western tough.
You just kind of you don't let onto anybody that
you're you're kind of leaking out.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know, you just tell it, you don't sell it,
You just you just you know, it looks really calm
on top of the water with the feet are wiggling
a little bit under.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
There, right, Yes, sir, Yeah, I just it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
The only thing that I didn't find that was real
factual about that mauling in that movie was the screaming.
I don't believe it'd be possible because you're so locked
up and terrified.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That you're not going to make a sound. I mean,
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I don't know if I screamed and yelled, but I
don't think I did, because I would have heard myself.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know that that kind of trauma, well it it'll
get to you. But I still when I'm walking out
in the dark, and now it's with another person, I'm ready,
you know. And I realized that, like the lightning theory,
you're not often it strikes the same place twice. So
I tell people that go out with me, you know,
I don't worry about it. Already happened to me. It
ain't gonna happen again, so it's pretty safe.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, I'll be back, But what about me? It hadn't
happened to me, you know. So well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I really appreciate you taking the time to just tell
your story because it's real, it's visceral, but it's also
inspiring because of your will to live.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And that quit.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You didn't let it ruin your outdoors experience, and here
you are twenty twenty four years later, whatever it is,
and you're still out there, just went duck hunting the
other day, and you're enjoying the light outdoors. And that's
what this show is all about, shining light on dark situations.
And it doesn't get a whole lot darker than getting
nilled by a grizzly in the dark.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We packed the bull off the mountain yesterday. Yeah, and
so it in the daylight.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
In the daylight, that's the ticket. The brother did it
the daylight. So well, man, thanks because I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And just the idea of you know, I keep thinking
of that force that he hits you with, you know,
like that the power of a bear. I've worked around
captive black bears quite a bit and just watching him
play around and the amount of power a bear has.
You think of that bear in a situation where he
thinks he's about to probably think, like you said, get
(28:27):
an elk. So this is my shot it say, it's
a big, potentially dangerous animal, even for the bear to attack.
I mean, the bear could get hurt in an elk attack,
you know, And here he is, but it's you. But
you were able to come out of this alive and
thrive and and been a lot tougher that I would
have done there.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I've been like, you know, a bear, But.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The human spirit is a pretty pretty amazing thing. You know,
you can you just got to talk yourself out of
it and say that, you know, I'm really.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I'm not afraid, but I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, it's that's a good way to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Man. Well, this has been incredible, And.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
My real goal for this was the many people out
there that are going into the wild for the first
time or recently into this stuff and they're like, you know,
maybe I'll take this a little more seriously. Now, that's
not a fictional thing that's not just on the revenue.
That really does happen to people. It does regular people,
and people can come out and survive and see what's
going on. But thank you so much, man, that was
(29:26):
an incredible stories. Honored to have your story on here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Well, thank you Chester. It's been fun. This is my
first podcast experience, and even made it wonderful.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Thank you sir.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's always an incredible privilege for me to get to
share people's stories, especially when you get into like survival stories.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I mean, this is the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Kind of thing a lot of us grew up reading
in magazines and you know, seeing on TV shows and
things like that, so having this on More Outdoors was
really cool. I appreciate it, Ben for taking the time
to share that. And we come back on More Outdoors.
We're gonna talk some more scary outd stuff because we're
kind of in the scary season, aren't we. Welcome back
(30:07):
to More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty k lv I.
This is Chester Moore. Make sure and go back and
listen to part one of this grizzly attack story. We
shared the first segments of this program on a KLVII
dot conflict. On the podcast link, you'll see More Outdoors
archives also the iHeartRadio app anywhere that you listen to.
Podcast Now, since we're in the Halloween season and I
(30:31):
love outdoor creepy movies, we're gonna share. Me and my
friend Patrick Trumble had a discussion. We're gonna talk about
some of the best horror movies for the Halloween time
of year, which is a great place to start. I
think when I think of the iconic movie that would
go under the dark Outdoors umbrella, it would have to
(30:52):
be Deliverance.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it's not really a horror movie, but
it's probably one of the scariest movies you'll ever see.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, man, I remember seeing that and you look at it,
I mean, and that has happened, you know, like that
wasn't a true story, but that has happened, and just
the whole squealing like a pig thing and all that stuff.
But you know, in the more fun horror genre, I
(31:23):
kind of got to start off with probably the first
slash room movie I ever saw, which was the first
slash room movie ever saw, was Friday the Thirteenth, Part two,
And the reason I started with part two was because
of Amy Steele, who played in the movie. She was
in the Powers of Matthew Starr, which is a one
year long series. It had I forgot the dude's named Peter,
(31:44):
Peter Peter Barton, but it also had Lou Gasset Junior
in it. Yeah, but I was totally in love with
Amy Steele. And when I had Showtime the first time,
they had a commercial for Friday the Thirteenth, Part two
and she was in it, and I'm like, I've been
wanting to dip my toe into the slasher genre at
nine years old. So I'm like, okay, she's in it.
(32:06):
So watched that when immediately it went and got the
next day and got the first Friday the thirteenth, and
was hooked on the genre. But I you know, that
whole camp, killing in the woods, person in a mask
or whatever genre had a big impact because I really remember,
(32:27):
like I would I'm thinking, I will never go to
summer camp.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Yeah, I don't blame you. Every year just about when
I was younger, we would go camping, and I didn't
really watch movies like that when I was that young.
It wasn't until I got a little bit older in
my teens that I started really got to the point
where I wasn't too chicken to watch stuff like that.
But yeah, I was always you know, I had heard
(32:51):
the stories from kids at school that had watched it,
and so it was enough to scare me anytime I
was out in the woods, thinking there may be some
mass killer wanting out and chase me.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, it was really crazy. Like so I watched you know,
Friday thirteen Part two than Friday thirteen Part one, which
my favorites, Part two than part one. You know, really
really good movies. But the idea of like this serene
setting being the place for this horror thing is one,
and you know, if you're a younger person watches have
never seen the original Friday the Thirteenth, two to one, four, six,
(33:25):
and then throw seven in there for total entertainment value,
which is really good. My friend Laura Park Lincoln is
in part seven and I just had an email from
Laura last night for a project I got working on
for a kid. A wonderful, awesome, inspirational love lar, incredible person.
But those are the five that I stick with. Of course,
Part seven goes more into like a you know, Jason's
(33:48):
Part six, Jason's a zombie. Part seven, he's still a zombie,
but he's like the supernatural thing, which I thought was
a great route to go. But far as scares, two
to one for six, as far as pure scares, I
would think, you.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Know, I always really liked six, and I never was
able to pinpoint why. But I was always a big
fan of like the Frankenstein and the Classic Monsters when
I was a younger kid, before I started getting when
I started getting getting into the more slasher type horror
movies in my teens. But that movie has kind of
(34:24):
almost a universal monsters feel to it. I mean they
revive him with a lightning bold I mean it's got
a lot of got a lot of thunder and lightning,
an atmosphere in it. It's it's got those qualities to it.
And actually was a Tom McLaughlin, the director of that one.
Tom mc laughlin said that that was his inspiration for
the movie, that he went back to the older classic
(34:46):
monster movies because he'd equated Jason with Frankenstein or Dracula
or some of those older ones. He was a modern
version of the classic monsters.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think he was definitely ahead of his time on that,
because that's what that has become. You have Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster,
the wolf Man, the Creature from the Black Lagoon, the Mummy,
and then in the eighties you have well, late seventies,
early eighties you got leather Face, Michael Myers, Jason, and
Freddy Krueger, you know, and that's kind of your version
(35:17):
of that. And you know, looking back and never thought
about that way, but it was a very fun that's
a fun movie. And CJ. Graham, we played Jason that
movie of course, came and did our Jason takes Beaumont
event in two thousand and four for Free thirteen. And
by the way, I'm throwing a bonus for the show
after this segment here, I'm gonna play the song Crystal
Lake that I wrote the lyrics for and then Mima A.
(35:38):
Scott Lackey wrote the music and it's me and Raven
who is our singer and that band a great singer.
And then we have a special guest named Betsy Palmer
who did a narration for her parts, and we're playing
that in full on this episode of Dark Outdoors. But
you know, those movies had an impact about thinking like
something bad could happen, you know, out in the woods.
(35:59):
But you know, as you've looked over the years at
these these kind of movies, were there were there other
slashers that happened in the woods that really caught your attention.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Oh, I would have to say The Burning, which of
course the Burning and Friday the thirteenth and all those
that were kind of the summer camp slashers. They were
all based on the Cropsy legend, which was something up
around what was a New Jersey and it was a
big legend up there. How did it go with the guy?
The guy was wronged in some sort of way by
(36:31):
the campers at these at these summer camps, and they
pulled some sort of a prank that goes wrong. He
winds up getting injured or killed, and then as the
story goes, he comes back to take revenge on the campers.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I think that The Burning is I know, The Burning
is my favorite non It's my favorite non franchise slasher
for sure. It's really good Toom Savini's work on it.
And Rick Wakeman from Yes, the band Yes did the
did the score, which was a different sounding score for
those movies. You know. It was really yeah, basically three
(37:08):
kind of scores back and then you had Carpenter esque
people ripped off Carpenter. You had the Italian zombie, you know,
like Goblin esque.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, you had that stuff, and then you had like.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Uh, it's all kind of based on an electronic score, right, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think a lot of that was the technology was
coming out with synthesizers at the time, you know. But
of course nobody did it like Carpenter. But Rick Wightman's
score was really really good. And I used to have
a final copy of The Burning soundtrack which is really
really cool. Yeah, so but that's I'll tell you one
that that's very underrated. Uh. I watched it as a
(37:52):
kid on like the movie channel one after a for school.
This is my actual school movies after about nine years old.
I don't they'd be like The Final Terror. The Final
Terror has a guy that played Ralphie in The Sopranos.
It had uh, it had a you know, a really cool,
good bunch of actors, and uh, it wasn't your typical storyline.
(38:16):
It wasn't you know, it wasn't camp necessarily out in
the woods and they're making this rafting trip and it's yeah,
that's that's that's Daryl Hannah and the dude from the
from the Twisted Sister videos.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I've forgotten about that, but yeah, what in the I
think like t J.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Hooker's Yeah, yeah, his name's Adrian's med. But that was
a really beautifully shot movie with a completely different thing,
and I think it gets way underrated in the slasher
genre because the the villain wasn't something that was you know,
the atmosphere and the scares and the villain at the
(38:55):
end you're kind of like, eh, But the rest of
the movie was really good and scary.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Yea, yeah, it was a little bit of a different
type of twist there at the end. I don't want
to spoil it, but I can see where it would
be disappointed. But I actually realized the last time I
watched it that they do kind of set it up
a little earlier in the movie with somebody telling the
campfire story or something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
But it's good. Check out The Final Terrors. It's a
non franchise slasher that's great and it's highly recommended if
you haven't seen. It's different than pretty much anything else
that's out there. And you know, not everything in these movies,
you know happened at a camp. You know, there were
other incidents. If you're in a mood like me to
(39:38):
watch scary stuff, take some of these recommendations fun movies
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Welcome to Moro out Doors on News Top five sixty
klv I. This is Chester Moore. Last week we had
a really intense show about a grizzly attack. This week
is part two in the aftermath of being attacked by
a grizzly. So here we catch up with my friend
Ben Verhill of Dubois, Wyoming, telling of him going back
(00:25):
to camp and what happened on the way.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It wasn't you know, it was starlight, So I just
kept going.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I knew where I was. I could stay on the trail.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
All I had to do was walk into camp, you know,
another half mile and I'm walking along up on this
little bench off the creek, and I've got a three
hundred weather be in my hands. I've got thumb on safety,
finger on the trigger guard, and there's one in the two.
And that's just how you walk out grizzly country. And
all of a sudden I get hit from behind Chester
(00:57):
with it so much force that it's hard to I mean,
I played football, I being a growing up in Wyoming,
I did some fighting, and it's I can't say that
I've ever been hit by a car or three NFL
linemen at the same time.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But when it hit me, I flew in the air.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, I think, and I don't really blame the bear,
because I honestly think that he mistook me for a
wounded bull.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Elk because he got the antlers and a smell and
everything on.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Absolutely, I'm walking down a canyon. The wind is blowing up,
so he can't. I'm sure he could smell the blood
and he could see those big old white time tips coming.
And I think he mistook me for a wounded elk
because the amount of pressure he hit me with would
have been enough to knock a seven hundred pound elk
off its feet. So if he hit me, I just
went straight up airborne. And when that happened, thumb the
(01:53):
safety off and touched one off while I was in
the air. And my rifle has a a muzzle break
on it, so when that happens, if you ever seen
a rifle go off in the dark, it shoots a
flame about sixty yeah barrel. And so when we hit
the ground, we just kind of both crumpled.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Up and bounced.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And then the bench I was walking on was scree
all the way down to the water's edge, probably another
ten feet, and I wish I could remember. My brain
blocked it out. I don't remember the fall. I remember
hitting the bottom and the bear landing right on top
of me.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So the bear went on top of you already. Soon
as you're down, he's all out on you.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I like to you know, I like to think I
got a couple of licks in on the way to
the bottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that heavy backpack and those antlers.
I just kind of went right onto it and it
kind of laid me back over and my head was
just hanging up out of the water, and I had
a paw on each side of my ear, and the
bear's muzzle was about ten inches off mine, and if
(03:01):
it would have been daylight, I could have looked right
up his nose because he was that close, laying on
top of me, rifle still in hand. There's nothing I
could do. He had me pinned to the top of
that backpack, and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is it.
This is the end of it, you know, this is
how I go out. And for whatever reason, I like
(03:22):
to think that maybe the elkhorn stuck him a few
times on the way to the bottom, because but I
don't remember, you know, I don't my brain locked.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It probably happened a lot faster even than you think.
It probably was such an instantaneous thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh absolutely, it was just a flash. And I was
skin the water with the bear on top of me,
and he just I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I could see a shadow, and but when he grabbed
a hold of me, I looked down and there was
that yellow ear tank.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Hmm, it was Bubba that got me. Unfair, the same
bear he.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Had a house, had that come from where you left
him to where you're seeing him now?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, he was where we saw him the first time.
He was a mile below our camp, and now he
was half mile above it. So he spent a week
somewhere else, and then he come back. I just happened
to bump into him in the dark, coming up out
of the with an elk on my back, and he's
looking down at me, and I figure, and he just
(04:25):
snorts right in my face, not hits me, and then
he bolts. He turns and pushes off with both front
feet and ran right back up where we had just
fallen from and abandoned because I think he realized that,
oh my gosh, this isn't an elk. That's a person.
You know that this is not what I thought it was.
(04:46):
I'm gonna get away for a second. Yeah, but when
he did that, I don't know if it was one
paw or two paws. It got me right in the
face and it drove my head into the rock that
was right behind me and knock me right out. So
when I came to, he was gone. You know I
(05:07):
came to, everything kind of came flooding back into me.
And I don't really I don't remember how long. I
don't know how long I laid there, but my buddy's
in camp half mile away.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And another thing that kind of would have avoided this
whole thing is when we packed my buddy's elf back
to town, I left my lab with my parents because
she had already spent like six sleepless nights or seven
sleepless nights in camp because she would stay up so
we could sleep and let us know if we had
a bear in camp, which we were around bears every day.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I jump up to my feet because adrenaline. That's
good stuff right there, Holy good stuff. And there's something
about a head injury that makes you mean because when
I got to my feet.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I was furious.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I was just angry, and granted, I didn't have a
live round in my rifle, so I drew my side arm,
which was a forty four magnum and where I was,
I knew there wasn't a living soul within fifteen miles
of us. So I shoot five shots out into the dark,
(06:19):
saving one round somehow, you know. And it wasn't for
the noise. I didn't know where the bear was. I
wanted to make noise. But I also when I did that,
I could see.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Oh lit up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it lit
it up.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I could see if he was standing there ready to
hit me again, and he wasn't. So I had the
presence of mind to drop in a speedloader, reload my pistol,
and take off towards camp. Like I didn't even feel
that one hundred and fifty pound pack. I jumped to
my feet, fired my pistol, and took off running torture.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You didn't leave the pack there. You decided you're bringing
the pack with you. You just you probably didn't even think
about that. You probably just did it right, Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I couldn't even feel it was on me.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean I shot to my feet, fired my pistol,
and took off towards camp, yelling to my buddy, who
brought his dog back, which was a Rottweiler, And I'm yelling.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Bring your dog, bring your dog. I got hit by
a bear. Bring your dog. Get up here. I'm running
in break. You know, he can hear me yelling, but
adrenaline is amazing. And I actually hit camp just as
he was walking out of it. He had to get
his pack out of the tree.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He had to get and he had a few things
to grab Before you run into a situation where a
bear's chase.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Come to find out, the bear was probably long gone.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But I didn't know that, so you don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We get into camp.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I get into camp and I dropped down and my
face is just pounding.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
My head is pounding. When I look down, his mouth
was buried.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Into my right side, and I'm thinking, oh my god,
what's hanging out?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Because when when he hit me and poolballed me, all
he got was shirt, skin and back pack strap. If
if he would have hit me different, he'd have taken three.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Ribs right out.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I'd have put out.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right there, and that'd have been the end of me.
But we're sitting there, and at the time, I was
a wilderness first responder, wilderness EMT and had everything we
needed to treat probably two mal victims with us.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
We were very well prepared.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And the first thing I asked, my buddy, is is
my face still there?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Because it felt like he ripped my face off when
he hit me with his pop And I had I
had a few I had, I had marks, you know.
I mean, I was my face was covered in blood
and my clothes was covered in blood, but being soaked
and wet, I couldn't tell where the drips were coming
from because I landed in the crick So we assessed
(08:47):
the wounds, and I had gotten so lucky. I mean,
I had some holes in my scalp line from where
the claws went in when he pushed off, and and
then the most righteous he metoma pinchikey you've ever seen
on my right.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Side with.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Three tooth holes in it. And I got so lucky
because he never really got me. He just he got
shirt and skin, and he bashed me in the face,
ran me over, and then we took a tumble to
the crick and so stare strips, the elastic strips. They're
(09:26):
a good thing to bring to the mountains like that
because you know, it's usually not trauma that kills you
from a bear maulling, well, a grizzly mauling black, there's different,
but a grizzly mauling, it's usually infection that will get you.
And where it was and where my heart was. Man,
if gang Green reaches your heart.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You're dead.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
When we come back on More Outdoors, we're gonna talk
more about Ben Verhill's epic survival story after being attacked
by a grizzly bear on an elk hunt in Wyoming.
Welcome back to Bor out Doors on News Talk five
sixty klv I. This is Chester Moore. Download the podcast
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of this program. I'm gonna go back to listen to
last week's part one of the grizzly attack story as
we continue part two with Ben Verhill and his epic
comeback from a grizzly attack.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I didn't have you know, what is it three
or six inches an hour that gang Green can grow,
And so the priority was making things clean and we
had aniseptic, we had whiskey, we had q tips, paws,
every little thing you can imagine. So I'm I'm dipping
stuff in the antiseptic in the whiskey and running it
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up inside the claw holes and I mean really scrubbing
stuff out of there to make sure there is no
dick still inside me. And the same with the wound
I had on my side. When everything was cleaned and dressed,
I took those stair strips, stretched them out, put them on,
and then they suck everything back together and they seal it.
So's it's But then about that time, I can feel
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my hat starting to get tight. He means my head swelling,
and that's not a good thing at all. So I
knew for the second night in a row, I wasn't
going to be able to sleep that night because there wasn't.
You might be able to find a worse place in
the lower forty eight to slip into a coma, but
you'd really have to look. I mean, it was a
bad deal. I could not sleep again because if I
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slipped out, what's my buddy going to do?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah? Yea, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was pretty sure he.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Could find the trail head, you know, I like to
think he could, but.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
No guarantees.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
About five am. I probably drifted off for a little
bit and slept for about an hour, and then when
we got up, I knew there was not much point
going back for that out because that's sow and cubs
probably burying and urinated on it and covered it with dirt,
and it was no longer mine, it was theirs at
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that point. I was lucky to have the meat that
I did, which hung up that night and it was
all cooled out and everything was good that way. But
finally daylight came, we took down the corrals, we packed
up camp and decided, you know, it's time.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's time to head for the trailhead.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know, this is this is ridiculous, this is this
is It was one of those trips you know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That, Yeah, you think.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You can't give up.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It was a testament to what.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
A human can withstand, right, because I tested myself and
I went as far and hard as possible. And we
start walking out and I'm still riding on adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, I'm not hurting. I'm not in that bad
of shape.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, I my head is swelling and I can
feel the pulsing in my head. I was concussed and
I'm not even sure I didn't fracture something, but never
had it checked out. I not one of those people
that goes to the hospital unless bones are poking out
and blood squeak.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's been a tough a out.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So we start down the trail, but now my sisters
because I didn't want to put those antlers on my
sister's mayor for fear that she would hurt herself, and
so I'm wearing them on my backpack leading her. So
she's got this big, bloody elk face staring her right
in the face all the way down the trail. So
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twice or three times she yard sailed us on the
way out of there, and we had to repack everything up.
And after the second or third yard sailed, my brain
started really kind of working again, and I realized, you know,
how serious the situation was, and how close it was
for my buddy to try and get out of the wood,
get out of the mountains, and have to explain to
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my mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
That I wasn't coming back. Yeah, And so.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We made our way all the way out of there,
got to the truck, loaded everything up, got the critters
in the trailer, went back, went our separate ways, and
I went home to Crowhart or I went home to
where I was living on this big ranch. He went
home where he was going. And I get all the
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way home, and being that you know, fourth generation butcher,
my priority was to get that meat cooled out, cleaned up,
put away.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
So I did all that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I went inside and I laid down on the couch.
And this is probably four thirty five o'clock in the evening.
By that time, it was took all day to get
out of there. And I laid down and shut my eyes,
and I when I opened them, it was almost three
o'clock the next day. So I had slept through the
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night and almost all the way through the next day.
And when I woke up, adrenaline was gone, and I
could not physically rise.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That shot of adrenaline hit the end of every extremity
so hard that I mean I could feel every muscle
in my eyelids and my I mean everything hurt, everything hurt.
And I literally here, I am the pride of my youth,
in incredible shape. And I could not physically rise, but
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I could reach the telephone. And I'm thinking to myself,
oh boy, who the heck am I going to call
at three o'clock in the afternoon. I still had two
days off, and who am I going to call? And
then the realization hit me that, oh god, Ben, you're
gonna have to call your mom because she's the only
one that does. She doesn't have anything to do right now.
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She could show I reached that phone. And you know,
growing up here in Wyoming Wind River Mountains absri Oca Mountains,
there was a lot of things that I just didn't
tell her about that because they'd worry about me, the
bear encounters, the getting rim or the everything that you
learned the hard way. I kind of I did it,
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and I call her up and I'm like, hey, Mom,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And she's like, oh, Ben, We're so glad you're home.
We've been worried about you. How is your trip? Is
everything okay?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And did you have it to get an elk because
you have fun? I was like, yeah, I got an
elk everything. I had a lot of fun, but I
probably wanted to have.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, there was this grizzly attack. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And then I said, hey, you know, is there any
chance you could come down here and help me out
with some food? And she said, oh, for heaven's sake, Ben,
you're twenty five years old. What do you I said, well, Mom,
I had kind of an accident. She said, you got
bucked off a horse, didn't you? And I said yeah,
but that was the first day and that that's behind me.
I said, I had. I said, well, I got mauled
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by grizzly bear. And she said, oh my goodness, I
am on my way. It was at least a forty
five minute trip to get there from town. Mom made
it in like thirty one minutes, which is phenomenal. This
is like worried Mama Bear coming to tender her wounded cub.
And so I'm laying there. She came in and she's like,
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all right, come on, let's go. We're going to the hospital.
Your face is all puffy, you got holes all over you,
your your mess. You got to go to your elbow's
broken band. And I was like, Mom, I still have
two days left, I have a bathtub. I'm just going
to lay here and lick my wounds. I'm gonna be
I'm a stubborn, stubborn mountain man. I'm I'm all right,
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you know, just give me a chance to heal up.
And she's she tried, and she tried to get me
to go in, and I.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Just wouldn't do it. So eventually she left and she
went back to town.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the next morning telephone rings right away, and it's
the newspaper, and they asked, oh, man, we heard about
what happened. Would you would you be interested in writing
an article for the paper and tell you And I
was like nope, And I hung up the phone and
I laid there for the whole day thinking about, you know, gosh,
if I could keep that from happening just one other person,
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it was writing that up. So I wrote up a
nice article for the paper. I mean, it was amazing
how fast the news spread through town and got to
the news. My mom must have told everybody in town
in less than twenty four hours what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I'm way out in the sticks.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean, it took almost an hour to get to
my house from town working on this big ranch, and
not that all right, if it'll keep it from happening
to one other person, I wrote up the article and
it went to a whole bunch of different newspapers.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And basically the.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Moral of the whole article was, you know, don't pack
out an elk in the dark by yourself. It's just
not a good idea because I know what I'm doing
and it still happened to me, and it just I
got extraordinarily lucky.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I really don't blame the bear.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I really I made a lot of mistakes and he
I honestly believe that he mistook me for a wounded bull, and.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think, well, it makes sense, you know, I do.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I've done quite a bit of work with sharks and stuff,
and there will be times where you know, a shark
hits somebody and it's just the first hit doesn't and
it's a big shark and it could kill them, take them,
eat them, and it just realizes, oh, that wasn't a fish.
That wasn't a seal on to the next one. Doesn't
mean it doesn't a highly dangerous traumatic event, but it's
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the if the intent of the animal were different, the
outcome would have been a lot different.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh yeah, absolutely, he he could. He had me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What a fascinating story. And we're going to continue this
in the rest of the program.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Here.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
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a crazy, intense grizzly attack. Welcome back to Morale Doors.
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On News Talk five sixty k ov I or were
starting to wrap up part two of our series on
a grizzly attack that occurred in Wyoming. What an incredible
story of survival and determination.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Even with multiple guns, he still had me.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It was now you mentioned the tag in the ear?
Did you ever did you ever see a number or
find any info about this bear?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
No? I had. I didn't even turn him in.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I figured maybe in the next few years they'd delist
Grizzly and I might go up there and get a
little revenge.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
But that never happened to you.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm gonna go back for him, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, you know he kind of I kind of he
kind of hoped me one. You know, I smacked him
in the eye pretty good with that rock, So I
figured I had a little bit of a butt whooping coming,
and believe me, I got it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So were there any mistakes made on the first encounter
or do you think that you did everything right?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
There.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I think we did everything right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think that if we would have sprayed him, we
also would have got We probably would have got ourselves
in the horse and mule. So I think by not
spraying him and not shooting it just avoided the blow
up that come charging at us. Yeah, we'd both lost
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our critters and we probably would have killed him dead
right there.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, and that would have been in a data species violated,
potentially investigation type of things. So you did what you
bet with with your training and your experience dealing with
a highly dangerous situation.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You know, a lot more people been have entered the
woods since the pandemic, record numbers of not only hunters,
but campers, hikers, fishermen, and a lot of people going
in the country as well as you know, we have
black bear numbers, which you know, play dead if you're
hit by a brown and you if you're black bears.
We'll do a whole show about that at some point.
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Sometimes those are carnivorous, you fight back. But a lot
more people encountering animals, they're used to sitting in a
computer and now they're around a large carnivore.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
What would you say to people.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Who are going out in that kind of country and
may may have taken it for granted and thinking, oh,
you know, it's just another thing. I mean, how prepared
should the what should the average person going in bear
country have with them, and what.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Should they do?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, there's the obvious thing about packing out your
food and all the steps they'll give you. But is
there anything just as an experienced man, you can tell
people about bear country that maybe other people wouldn't tell us.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, just just be hyper aware that they're there.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, okay, know that they're there.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And if you say you're hunting, if you fire a shot,
your head is on a swivel because they've they've learned
that that's a dinner bell and so they will come
to gunshots. So you just got to be ready for
any thing. And then you know, in the non hunting,
if you're in a non hunting situation, if you're fishing,
if you're recreating, make noise, you know, let the animal
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know you're coming, because most of the time they don't
want anything to do with us.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
They really don't.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I mean, it's not like bears, girsly bears are out
there maliciously hunting people or anything like that, because they're not.
You know, we figure, I figure one time, you know,
out of the nine hundred and ninety nine times you
went out there on that one thousandth you know, excursion,
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you might have a bad encounter.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So it's a very rare thing. And if you're.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Aware of it and you're you're you're doing the right things.
You're not sleeping where you cook, you're you're hanging everything.
Your toothpaste, your chapstick, everything goes in that tree.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And you can't make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
They're just it's you just can't because it can cost
you your life. It's not because the bear's hunting you.
It's because it's fall and they're trying to put on
extra weight before they go to bed, and they're just
looking for stuff. They're looking for, you know, a grizzly bear.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
You know, the.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Wildlife biologists will tell you that they're not territorial, but
I disagree with that. I think grizzly bears are very
much territorial. And you know, with difference between a black
bear and a grizzly bear, the black bear is the opportunist.
They see as a food source. The grizzly bear sees
you as a pain in their butt and a suspasser.
So there's just certain precautions. You can bluff most bears.
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You can't bluff them when they're that big, but you
can definitely let them know that you're a force to
be reckoned with.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And you hope you don't have to kill them. And
if you do, you do it right.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And if you're in the situation that you can use
the spray by all means, use it because it works.
It absolutely works. If you can use the spray without
hurting yourself or someone else or you know, because you
don't want to be blind laying there on the ground
wondering where the bear is.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So you got in like wind and you know everything
else that's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, the wind is a huge factor. You just got
to be ready, you know, you just got to be
You cannot turn it off. You have to be paying
attention all the time. Go out, enjoy it, be out there.
You know, it's a rare thing that happened to me,
and I got extraordinarily lucky. And after you know, I
spent twenty years in search and rescue and it I've
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seen a few people that didn't get as lucky as me,
and it's not something that you want to happen. I mean,
it's it's life changing. I got extraordinarily lucky.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Did did it cause you to have any trauma about
going back out?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Did you know? Okay, you just went back out and figured,
well that was what happened, and now we're back to normal.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, back to normal.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Now. I did have kind of a I feel like
I might have a little bit of you know, the
lasting trauma. Well, I'm looking for the right word for
that post traumatic stress syndrome. When the movie The Revenant
came out, Yeah, did you see that one in that malling?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, that that got to me. That got to me
pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I I watched it, but I wasn't I being Western tough.
You just kind of you don't let onto anybody that
you're you're kind of leaking out.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know, you just tell it, you don't sell it,
You just you just you know, it looks really calm
on top of the water with the feet are wiggling
a little bit under.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
There, right, Yes, sir, Yeah, I just it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
The only thing that I didn't find that was real
factual about that mauling in that movie was the screaming.
I don't believe it'd be possible because you're so locked
up and terrified.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That you're not going to make a sound. I mean,
I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I don't know if I screamed and yelled, but I
don't think I did, because I would have heard myself.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You know that that kind of trauma, well it it'll
get to you. But I still when I'm walking out
in the dark, and now it's with another person, I'm ready,
you know. And I realized that, like the lightning theory,
you're not often it strikes the same place twice. So
I tell people that go out with me, you know,
I don't worry about it. Already happened to me. It
ain't gonna happen again, so it's pretty safe.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, I'll be back, But what about me? It hadn't
happened to me, you know. So well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I really appreciate you taking the time to just tell
your story because it's real, it's visceral, but it's also
inspiring because of your will to live.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And that quit.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You didn't let it ruin your outdoors experience, and here
you are twenty twenty four years later, whatever it is,
and you're still out there, just went duck hunting the
other day, and you're enjoying the light outdoors. And that's
what this show is all about, shining light on dark situations.
And it doesn't get a whole lot darker than getting
nilled by a grizzly in the dark.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We packed the bull off the mountain yesterday. Yeah, and
so it in the daylight.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
In the daylight, that's the ticket. The brother did it
the daylight. So well, man, thanks because I learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And just the idea of you know, I keep thinking
of that force that he hits you with, you know,
like that the power of a bear. I've worked around
captive black bears quite a bit and just watching him
play around and the amount of power a bear has.
You think of that bear in a situation where he
thinks he's about to probably think, like you said, get
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an elk. So this is my shot it say, it's
a big, potentially dangerous animal, even for the bear to attack.
I mean, the bear could get hurt in an elk attack,
you know, And here he is, but it's you. But
you were able to come out of this alive and
thrive and and been a lot tougher that I would
have done there.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I've been like, you know, a bear, But.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The human spirit is a pretty pretty amazing thing. You know,
you can you just got to talk yourself out of
it and say that, you know, I'm really.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I'm not afraid, but I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, it's that's a good way to do that.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Man. Well, this has been incredible, And.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
My real goal for this was the many people out
there that are going into the wild for the first
time or recently into this stuff and they're like, you know,
maybe I'll take this a little more seriously. Now, that's
not a fictional thing that's not just on the revenue.
That really does happen to people. It does regular people,
and people can come out and survive and see what's
going on. But thank you so much, man, that was
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an incredible stories. Honored to have your story on here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Well, thank you Chester. It's been fun. This is my
first podcast experience, and even made it wonderful.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Thank you sir.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's always an incredible privilege for me to get to
share people's stories, especially when you get into like survival stories.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I mean, this is the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Kind of thing a lot of us grew up reading
in magazines and you know, seeing on TV shows and
things like that, so having this on More Outdoors was
really cool. I appreciate it, Ben for taking the time
to share that. And we come back on More Outdoors.
We're gonna talk some more scary outd stuff because we're
kind of in the scary season, aren't we. Welcome back
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to More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty k lv I.
This is Chester Moore. Make sure and go back and
listen to part one of this grizzly attack story. We
shared the first segments of this program on a KLVII
dot conflict. On the podcast link, you'll see More Outdoors
archives also the iHeartRadio app anywhere that you listen to.
Podcast Now, since we're in the Halloween season and I
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love outdoor creepy movies, we're gonna share. Me and my
friend Patrick Trumble had a discussion. We're gonna talk about
some of the best horror movies for the Halloween time
of year, which is a great place to start. I
think when I think of the iconic movie that would
go under the dark Outdoors umbrella, it would have to
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be Deliverance.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it's not really a horror movie, but
it's probably one of the scariest movies you'll ever see.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, man, I remember seeing that and you look at it,
I mean, and that has happened, you know, like that
wasn't a true story, but that has happened, and just
the whole squealing like a pig thing and all that stuff.
But you know, in the more fun horror genre, I
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kind of got to start off with probably the first
slash room movie I ever saw, which was the first
slash room movie ever saw, was Friday the Thirteenth, Part two,
And the reason I started with part two was because
of Amy Steele, who played in the movie. She was
in the Powers of Matthew Starr, which is a one
year long series. It had I forgot the dude's named Peter,
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Peter Peter Barton, but it also had Lou Gasset Junior
in it. Yeah, but I was totally in love with
Amy Steele. And when I had Showtime the first time,
they had a commercial for Friday the Thirteenth, Part two
and she was in it, and I'm like, I've been
wanting to dip my toe into the slasher genre at
nine years old. So I'm like, okay, she's in it.
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So watched that when immediately it went and got the
next day and got the first Friday the thirteenth, and
was hooked on the genre. But I you know, that
whole camp, killing in the woods, person in a mask
or whatever genre had a big impact because I really remember,
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like I would I'm thinking, I will never go to
summer camp.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Yeah, I don't blame you. Every year just about when
I was younger, we would go camping, and I didn't
really watch movies like that when I was that young.
It wasn't until I got a little bit older in
my teens that I started really got to the point
where I wasn't too chicken to watch stuff like that.
But yeah, I was always you know, I had heard
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the stories from kids at school that had watched it,
and so it was enough to scare me anytime I
was out in the woods, thinking there may be some
mass killer wanting out and chase me.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, it was really crazy. Like so I watched you know,
Friday thirteen Part two than Friday thirteen Part one, which
my favorites, Part two than part one. You know, really
really good movies. But the idea of like this serene
setting being the place for this horror thing is one,
and you know, if you're a younger person watches have
never seen the original Friday the Thirteenth, two to one, four, six,
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and then throw seven in there for total entertainment value,
which is really good. My friend Laura Park Lincoln is
in part seven and I just had an email from
Laura last night for a project I got working on
for a kid. A wonderful, awesome, inspirational love lar, incredible person.
But those are the five that I stick with. Of course,
Part seven goes more into like a you know, Jason's
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Part six, Jason's a zombie. Part seven, he's still a zombie,
but he's like the supernatural thing, which I thought was
a great route to go. But far as scares, two
to one for six, as far as pure scares, I
would think, you.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Know, I always really liked six, and I never was
able to pinpoint why. But I was always a big
fan of like the Frankenstein and the Classic Monsters when
I was a younger kid, before I started getting when
I started getting getting into the more slasher type horror
movies in my teens. But that movie has kind of
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almost a universal monsters feel to it. I mean they
revive him with a lightning bold I mean it's got
a lot of got a lot of thunder and lightning,
an atmosphere in it. It's it's got those qualities to it.
And actually was a Tom McLaughlin, the director of that one.
Tom mc laughlin said that that was his inspiration for
the movie, that he went back to the older classic
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monster movies because he'd equated Jason with Frankenstein or Dracula
or some of those older ones. He was a modern
version of the classic monsters.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think he was definitely ahead of his time on that,
because that's what that has become. You have Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster,
the wolf Man, the Creature from the Black Lagoon, the Mummy,
and then in the eighties you have well, late seventies,
early eighties you got leather Face, Michael Myers, Jason, and
Freddy Krueger, you know, and that's kind of your version
(35:17):
of that. And you know, looking back and never thought
about that way, but it was a very fun that's
a fun movie. And CJ. Graham, we played Jason that
movie of course, came and did our Jason takes Beaumont
event in two thousand and four for Free thirteen. And
by the way, I'm throwing a bonus for the show
after this segment here, I'm gonna play the song Crystal
Lake that I wrote the lyrics for and then Mima A.
(35:38):
Scott Lackey wrote the music and it's me and Raven
who is our singer and that band a great singer.
And then we have a special guest named Betsy Palmer
who did a narration for her parts, and we're playing
that in full on this episode of Dark Outdoors. But
you know, those movies had an impact about thinking like
something bad could happen, you know, out in the woods.
(35:59):
But you know, as you've looked over the years at
these these kind of movies, were there were there other
slashers that happened in the woods that really caught your attention.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Oh, I would have to say The Burning, which of
course the Burning and Friday the thirteenth and all those
that were kind of the summer camp slashers. They were
all based on the Cropsy legend, which was something up
around what was a New Jersey and it was a
big legend up there. How did it go with the guy?
The guy was wronged in some sort of way by
(36:31):
the campers at these at these summer camps, and they
pulled some sort of a prank that goes wrong. He
winds up getting injured or killed, and then as the
story goes, he comes back to take revenge on the campers.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I think that The Burning is I know, The Burning
is my favorite non It's my favorite non franchise slasher
for sure. It's really good Toom Savini's work on it.
And Rick Wakeman from Yes, the band Yes did the
did the score, which was a different sounding score for
those movies. You know. It was really yeah, basically three
(37:08):
kind of scores back and then you had Carpenter esque
people ripped off Carpenter. You had the Italian zombie, you know,
like Goblin esque.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, you had that stuff, and then you had like.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Uh, it's all kind of based on an electronic score, right, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I think a lot of that was the technology was
coming out with synthesizers at the time, you know. But
of course nobody did it like Carpenter. But Rick Wightman's
score was really really good. And I used to have
a final copy of The Burning soundtrack which is really
really cool. Yeah, so but that's I'll tell you one
that that's very underrated. Uh. I watched it as a
(37:52):
kid on like the movie channel one after a for school.
This is my actual school movies after about nine years old.
I don't they'd be like The Final Terror. The Final
Terror has a guy that played Ralphie in The Sopranos.
It had uh, it had a you know, a really cool,
good bunch of actors, and uh, it wasn't your typical storyline.
(38:16):
It wasn't you know, it wasn't camp necessarily out in
the woods and they're making this rafting trip and it's yeah,
that's that's that's Daryl Hannah and the dude from the
from the Twisted Sister videos.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I've forgotten about that, but yeah, what in the I
think like t J.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Hooker's Yeah, yeah, his name's Adrian's med. But that was
a really beautifully shot movie with a completely different thing,
and I think it gets way underrated in the slasher
genre because the the villain wasn't something that was you know,
the atmosphere and the scares and the villain at the
(38:55):
end you're kind of like, eh, But the rest of
the movie was really good and scary.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Yea, yeah, it was a little bit of a different
type of twist there at the end. I don't want
to spoil it, but I can see where it would
be disappointed. But I actually realized the last time I
watched it that they do kind of set it up
a little earlier in the movie with somebody telling the
campfire story or something to that effect.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
But it's good. Check out The Final Terrors. It's a
non franchise slasher that's great and it's highly recommended if
you haven't seen. It's different than pretty much anything else
that's out there. And you know, not everything in these movies,
you know happened at a camp. You know, there were
other incidents. If you're in a mood like me to
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watch scary stuff, take some of these recommendations fun movies
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