Michael James Shaw talks Twisted Metal, Avengers, Walking Dead & more | S8 E10 | 1 on 1's w/Deuces - 1-on-1's w/Deuces

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let me choose your character.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, all right, all right, welcome back to the
geek Set podcast only podcast that blending hip hop culture
and geek coachure together. I'm your boy, Duces and this
is one on one with Deuces, the place where I
speak with creators, curators and people that you should know.
And Yo, we got somebody that is in the black
nerd space in the bird splace, has been doing some
amazing work just through and through you know, in film

(00:56):
you can tell that he is a thespian of the art.
Just somebody that has been been on our screen giving
us just.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Dope character patrols. But we have the one and only
Michael James Shaw. Bro, how are you doing today? Man?
Oh well, so my platform it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
About giving people their flowers and giving and letting them
know how much that the culture appreciates them. And I
want to let you know, Bro, right when you like
stepped onto the scene like you already had this this
big presence, right, but the character roles and the things
that you jumped in and learning and knowing that you
are also a geek yourself and just learning just just
all of the things that went into a place of

(01:34):
you know with your your journey and you acting and
the thing the portrayals that you gave us on screen,
which is not just only the stereotypical black character, showing
us the fantastical side that black people can be a
part of. I just want to let you know, for
me from my podcast Geek sept from the culture man,
thank you so much for everything that you have been
given us on screen, bro, because we truly do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I appreciate you, brother, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
It's been a wild journey, uh and I love diff
minute of it.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Man, So you know your story is your story is
such a great story that like when it ever gets
time to that point to tell your like your biopic
and tell your story, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Gonna be so dope.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, even like like from the start, you know
you're from a football state, and you know your pops
wanted to put you in that football dreams and everything,
and you kind of you was in it. But the
pivotal moment of you walking off that field and then
even having like that made for TV movie moment where
they like they trash your locker, took down your banner

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and everything, it was like.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, research.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
But I was just like you to even overcome that
and say, you know what, my heart is not in
this sport.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
My heart is actually in this art.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
During that time, how like, how did you deal with
even that at that time?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You know, looking back, you know, that time was interesting
because I was just following my heart. You know. There
was no like if then or back up plan. It
was like, this is what I want to do, and
I want to pursue it full tilt boogie. And yeah,

(03:19):
it took a while for parentals to get on board.
But you know, you got to your guns. You know,
you gotta carve out a reality that's right for you. Yeah,
and by doing that, you know, you know, then my
mom and dad, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
They slowly understood exactly what I was trying to do.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
But it took a while to get them on board
after you know, derailing the sports.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, but it's like it's dope though, because like I said,
you know, you always talk about like the support that
you got from the family, and like said, having that
support from your family is always dope, you know when
they get to see it.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
And again, it wasn't like, you know, like I said, you.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Didn't go to you didn't take it all the way
because you know, you took it very very serious.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I know, like I said, doing like school plays and everything.
But you did go to Howard University and then you
went to Julliard. It's like, oh, you like.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're putting in the steps to kind of be like, no,
I'm actually doing this, and I'm actually I'm enjoying this.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm working through it. You're meeting all.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Those those those creatives and it's just gonna It's like
you have a very good black story. For one, like
saying for black people, it's like, oh yeah, this is
living the American dream.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
But it just it's really dope to.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Kind of see your journey and your path and then
even the properties and things that you are a part of,
such big fandoms and everything. At that moment when you
made that transition and that change, was this what you envision?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I guess, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Sometimes we can only see at a at a point,
did you have you surpassed your vision at young Michael James.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Shaw h At that point, looking back, it was I
was more focused on theater.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I I wanted to be brain Stokes Mitchell.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You know, I wanted to sing and do musicals and
work on Broadway. But the universe had bigger things in store.
And I still love the theater. I would love to
go back to the theater. I've been trying real hard
to get up on stage, you know, but it's gonna
happen soon, you know, speaking this ship into existence. But
you know, I wanted to be a theater artist, like
That's why I continued to go go to school.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I went to Juilliard for classical theater.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Howard I learned who I am, and Juilliard I got
the tools to like actually transform. And yeah, the theater
is my first love and it always will be because
it was a thing that inspired me to like pursue it.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It gave me confidence in the talent that I had,
you know, going to Howard.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Before then, I'd probably done like a few plays, but
there was never a role that was written for a
black man. Right time I played a role that was
written for a black man was at Howard. And throughout
that experience I got a very a student like h
a great understanding of what it means to be a
black man in this industry.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
But you know your your experience at Howard, I know
because you talk about like how you love the collaborative
effort that happens weren't around film and you know, when
you got to Howard, one of the things that I
that I really latched on when I was doing my
research was how you said, I like the fact that
we was able to do art takes on certain things
and not just do like a one v one.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right, you were.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Saying that, you know, when you did when they were
putting on you know, those those theater shows or when
they was doing things, it wasn't just all right, We're
just we're telling this Shakespearean story. We're adding a little
spin to it because we're adding our creative juice to it.
What Yeah, So what about that collaborative that collaborative process
really appeals to you.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Look looking back, there was like one production is like
one of my I think it's my first production at Howard.
One of the faculty members who was a prior student alumni.
He came back from MEMYU and he wrote a musical
based on Romeo and Juliet and we put it up
as as a school. We workshopped that musical from the

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from the rehearsal room to the stage and it was
constantly in Fluxed and that was the first time I
had experience of working on a new play and that
that kind of ignited me. It's like, oh, my input
and my thoughts about this character are are valuable from
any stage of the game.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And I wouldn't have learned that if it were for
Howard because.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
A lot of those saying processes came came back and
I did more workshops, but that was the first one
I did, and it kind of just said, oh, wow,
you have a power to like shape this character and
put your stamp on it, you know, and put put
your heart into it. And that that was like, Yeah.
From then on, it was like, oh, this is how
we approached you know.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, no, And that's that's really dope because you know,
I talked to a lot of I get a chance
to talk to a lot of actors like you, and
I love learning how much they love theater and even
just the arts of theater like that. Because I got
a chance to talk to Paige Kennedy and this is
when I this is one of the things that I
realized and one of the things that I'm like, oh,

(08:13):
I hope that we get We was like connecting over
our love for the.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Game of Thrones, in that world of Game of Thrones.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
And he was saying, he was like, he ran across
so many actors who does that kind of dialect and
that speech pattern. But in these shows, they don't necessarily
make characters black, you know. So it's like in that
Game of Thrones world, it's like it can be any
it's a fantastical world, but they.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Always go with Eastern European.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Or white or whatever, and they never really give those
roles to that black actor. And he wants to get
he wants to get all of y'all together and put together,
you know, a period piece, fantastical piece like that in
those time errors with black actors doing you know, that
speech patter. And I said, that would be great because
I love that world itself. And I know you are

(09:00):
a person who also says, you know, I want to
do things that stretch the limits of the arts. You
don't want to just do something that's simple. You like
to do those type of worlds. You like to dive
into a character that's like, hey, this is I'm me,
but not get to be this character with all of this.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
And so I think that with that, like, would would
you be that would be something that you probably would
love to be into.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh, I'm all about stretching the limits of our reality.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Man.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
That's like that's why we do it, you know, That's
why that's why we're Like we picked up a stick
when we were five years old, and we pretend it
was a sword, and we believe wholeheartedly that that was
like a broad sword.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Give it to us from the king. And you have to.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
If you don't have that childlike imagination, I don't know,
maybe it's not the business for you, But that's why
I love it. You get to play dress up and
pretend to be someone and convince other people that you're that.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Person, right, But I tend to like.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
World entering a new world or carving out a new
existence for a character that we've probably never seen before,
one that you know, especially I get.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I've gotten a lot of I've been.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Fortunate to do a lot of characters that are based
on comic books and video games.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
And that's the fun part because it's this thing.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
You've seen their image and you have to like dive
in deep and understand a bit more like what are
the choices?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Why why did they draw them this way?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Like you get you know, a bit more information than
just reading a book about a character.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
You see them. And I think that's kind of profound
for me.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
And I've really kind of enjoy, you know, putting myself
into those into those circumstances.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know, right, and you know with you, I mean,
I can tell that you really love that, right, because
you there's been multiple situations where you had to do
additional things to kind of help prepare you your body
and everything for these roles. And it wasn't necessarily a
direction from the director or the casting director or whatever

(10:57):
the case.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's just you wanted to better yourself.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
So you know, talk about when you was in The
Walking Dead and how you jumped into jiu jitsu so
you can kind of you know, learn with the movement
and then even with coming up with a twisted.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Metal you're talking about you like to get your shoulders ready.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
You are here swinging the kettlebell and everything so that
way you can get your strength up. And I was like, man,
this is somebody who takes their craft very well. Where
did that driving determination come from?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well, the discipline came from my father, John Henry Shaw.
But he gave he gave me, he instilled that into me.
But the other parts of it is just curiosity, you know.
With walking Dad, he's ex a veteran, says.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Too, so yeah, happy veteran's name to you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Saying, Yeah, mercery.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
He was a.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Ex marine, and I want to understand the hand to
hand combat. I was like, what is the closest thing
I can do to get a taste of who he is,
you know, and jiu jitsu kind of came up as, oh,
the gray seat techniques are the hand to hand combat
that the military has been using for some time, and yeah,

(12:17):
I jumped into that just kind of like as an exploration.
And then it led to like, oh, this is the
camaraderie because there were a lot of ex cops who
were training with me, a lot of ex military guys
who were training with me. So I got a sense
of like being in the trenches or just a vibe,
you know, and you.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Take that with you to set, you know, you take
that with you as you.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Work on the character. You know, those are little nuggets
that the universe gives you, you know. And then with Axual,
he's basically crucified between right and it's a very like
exposed position of being with your heart wide open and
there's nothing to protect your heart. Even though it's a

(12:58):
tough guy, his heart is the entire time. So I
wanted to be strong in that position. And yeah, I
just feel like I can still take over the world
even though my heart is open, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And it's crazy because before, like when they announced that
you was joining the cast, there wasn't no announcement.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
On who you were going to be.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
But immediately, fans of the series of the game, like myself,
I was like, oh, bro is definitely about to be Axle, Like,
like he has to be ax so because you know
in the game when we see it and it's just
like like in our in our minds, it was like, Okay,
he's holding together these two wheels. It wasn't that he
was just strapped to it. It was he was holding it.

(13:42):
So you know, hey, man, you're a big, buff ass dude.
So it's like, all right, he this is this is
the dude.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
And I was like yeah, man, like I like I like,
I was so excited with that casting because as a
fan of Twisted Metal, like I played the game, as
a fan of the show, like, going into that show,
I was like, I don't know what this is going
to be because the game is just a smash them,
smash him game, So I didn't really like, what's that
storyline going to be? So then seeing what that director
did with that property and then seeing that world that

(14:10):
they created and bringing those characters to life, and then
when you got added to the cast, I said, oh,
this is this is about to.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Be a whole nother level, Like this is.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
About to be so amazing going into that role and
even just jumping into that character of Axel, what outside
of you know you saying that you want to you know,
bring herd you know that that toughness of that character.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
What excited you most about being able to portray Axel?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Well, one I got to work with Stephanie and Anthony
is that was a gift and it's full circle from
Infinity Warding.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Game working with Anthony again, that was beautiful. Uh.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
The biggest part about Axel was the contrast of his reality.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, you see this guard dog who is by all
means like a terrifying sight to see a man strapped
between two wheels with machine guns and just rolled through
the fire.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
But then as you start to like peel back that
onion and you get to see like the trauma that
he's been through.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
A man who used to work with his hands, even
though he was a.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Hit man, he made his living yea tis and taking
people out, So a man who uses hands as that
was the thing that made him who he was.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
To have that taken away.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, I was really curious about that, curious about how
does one survive, you know, when they're.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Their main source of livelihood is taken away, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
And also and taking away at a time when he
he's about to turn, turn the corner and start doing
the right thing, just too late. And that that was
what drove me and understand more about him more.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Maybe you want to.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Understand more about the the the history of the game
and its iterations and the many kind of stories that
we kind of plowed from to create the story that
we told in Twisted mil two.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, I feel like he represents a lot of men
in general, who you know, he's bestowed this great power, Yeah,
but his freedom is taken away.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
So yeah, when we meet him, he's a slave to
this man, you know, like that's that's a hearts reality.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
It is just you know, but in actuality is and yeah,
and a brother and a sister set him free.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's not by I don't know if it's back coinstance,
but it's not coincidence. A lot of things in there,
you know. But I like the fact that it.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Was layered with so much information outside of what was
on the surface. And yeah, I really appreciate it Michael
Jonathan Smith and Sean Diston and those guys, and.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
They really created a beautiful world for us to play it.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, absolutely, Like I said, I can't wait to I
can't wait to see it and dive into it because
you know, we break down episodes on our podcast and everything,
and that's one of the shows that we fell in
love with during season one, so we're excited for season two.
Definitely gonna break it down. We gotta figure we gotta
find some way to get you the games. Last interview
I saw you said that you haven't played it yet.
Has that changed yet?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah? I played.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay, all right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, because next time, because I was like, bro, he
got experiences the game, he's gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I played it a bunch before we started shooting man,
you know.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I hadn't played it prior to that.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Okay, yeah, that's that was the last interview that I
saw when you were talking about prior to what you haven't.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I was like, Oh, we gotta get in to them.
I'm gonna figure it out.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'm gonna call some people like, hey, let's get him
the game, get them in PlayStation one. So, like I said,
you've been a part of some major price So I
want to take it back a little bit. I want
to talk about Marvel MCU a couple of questions, but
the most.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Interesting thing, and to me, this is where I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like, I like the story of you because it's you
clearly have a love of things that you definitely want
to accomplish, but also you try to balance your life
and everything.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Because it correct me if I'm wrong. The fact that I.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Saw is that you almost turned down the road due
to a scheduled conflict and a dream trip to Africa.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is that correct or was that wrong? Information? I saw?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Ain't almost I did. I did.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
It was a busy time, and it was like, it
makes sense to me. I was workshopping a play in
New York. Okay, another workshop, you know, let's play down
in the public. Joan of Arc into the Fire with
David Byrne.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
And let's see.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, it was a retelling of the story of Joan
of Arc as a rock.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Musical and that's on fire.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Actually, Yo, on a lunch break, I used to be
hitting a dish is like we'd be rehearsing.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Had a lunch break, I go pop in and do
an audition. I went in. I was like, okay, I
went in on a Wednesday for Black Panther. Didn't get that.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
The next day they called me in for chorus. Some
somehow I booked that. Then I booked another job the
following week. Uh, and then another auditioning.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So I'm in this production and I'm like, oh cool,
we're gonna do the play. And then I.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Got three jobs three uh one, one film and two
TV shows all on the week.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
And I had to choose.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
That's the that's the fate of my joining sometimes, you know,
I have to choose all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
So I had the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
To go to k Town, Okay and work on a
pilot for Amazon at the time, and I've never been
to Africa, so yeah, I kind of leveled out and
it's like.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I need to go to Africa. Need. I need that experience.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
So I took that trip and had a beautiful journey
and came back and ended up doing the play. And
me meanwhile, somewhere after opening, I get a call that
Marvel was still interested in.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Me for the role.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh that's a blessing.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
So I got to do two of the things, okay
of the three, which was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
So I I ended up finishing the play and then
off to shoot Marvel.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
But it was kind of it's important to me to
go to Africa.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Mine.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
My spirit told me to go and I had a
wonderful time.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, yeah, absolutely, the two places on my list, you know,
is Africa and Japan. As a big nerd, as a
big geek, I was like, I got to get out there,
you know, my voice acting journey. I'm like, hopefully it
leads me there somehow, because I would do one of
voice acting anime outside of all the other stuff that
I do. But it's like, yeah, those Africa I tried

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definitely understand.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's like it's the Motherland, you know. It's one of
those things.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I'm a person that when I travel, I like to
go to landmarks, places where history has happened, because you
kind of feel the energy, You kind of get the
kind of like, you.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Know, feel the history that's there, and so I.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Can understand that that decision, like ah, man, like I
get it. It's it's the MCU, but it's Africa, you know.
The One thing that I absolutely love about the culture
is that it's still embedded in black culture.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Mikey's still rock dumps or Jordan's and they also talk
about Batman versus Superman. Batman and super Superman is literally
brown versus Jordan, Dragon ball Z.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
That like, my whole trajectory and life changed.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Don't nobody talk to me.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
My shit is on. We just been experiencing it looks
like it's gonna be real. Neat the elevation from where
King Vader started to.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Now, Black geek culture helped me through some of the
highs in my life, through some of the lows in
my life. It's always been there, sort of like an
undercurrent to everything I did.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
There was no term for it, there was no it
was just this is what I'm doing. I love us
in it.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I love the fact that we take things and we
always make it better. Is it true that you you
originally auditioned for Imbaco oh yeah, yeah, Oh snap man,

(22:35):
I can see because you know, people don't realize how
big Winston Dook is. Right, So when I I was,
I did an interview at sway in the morning, and
Winston Duke just happened to be the interview right after us.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
And when he walked in and look, I said, whoa,
And so.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know you need that big stature, which is right
there you Yeah, yeah, you already cover that. And I'm
pretty sure you probably already through previous roles and everything,
already working with dialect coaches and everything.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I could see that in Baku in you but you
gave us Corpus gay.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
And I feel like, yeah, everything is what's for you
is for you, and that's yes business. I mean, right
now we're going through some tough times, but I feel like,
you know, it's like you're on your journey and like
what is for you is always gonna gonna find you.
You know, it may not be in the timing that
you expect, but it will come on time.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, And I love the fact that you got the
chance to be the first live action version of this.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Character, like you have set the precedence of this character.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And so I was like, Oh, this is crazy, because
you know me, I'm a I'm a DC fan boy,
but I started diving more into Marvel, you know as
the comics, and so learning about who Glade was, I
was like, Ooh, I wonder how you're going to portray
this role. And the way that you did it, you
gave you gave him a beastiness that I did not
expect him to have because when you watch those films,

(24:06):
you legit fun majority of the Avengers, and like I said,
we we kind of got a little bit of beef
because you did the final blow on Vision before Thanos did.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
So like you went crazy as your.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Character in that in uh in all the Avengers and everything,
because you like, you got to fight Cap, you got
to fight, You got to fight everybody who was what
was the most fun fight that you had out of
all that has I.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Just was reminded of that.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
The sequence so the final battle in Infinity or where
we're feels a Wakanda, Georgia and there is an infamous
like horse Farm that I have shot three projects on.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
And we keep coming back to that same lot and
I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
It's been three different things in three totally different worlds.
But that moment where I'm coming for uh for a
vision and Cat comes out of nowhere and fucks me up.
Uh yeah, yeah, that that scene was kind of fun
to shoot.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It was kind of it was hot, but it was
a fun moment to shoot. Let's see.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
But that field that that horse farm has also been
the gates.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Of the Commonwealth yep Dead as well as in Fight Night.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
It was the trailer park where we find Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Oh, I didn't even I didn't even like that. No,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
The safe house and Fight Night is actually Tony Stark's house. Bro.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I gotta go back and watch that because I love
Fight Night. Fight Night.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That cast alone, that era, the way that they shot that,
that was so so dope.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I'm gonna get to that to do.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I just want to ask, because I like to ask
Marvel people this, did you take anything from set? Did
they let you keep the scepter or anything like?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
What?

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Like?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Did you take anything? Bro?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
What you think that thing was a block? I fairly
got a picture, you know. No, I feel like with that,
with that experience, it was the experience.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's like you got to just be in the moment
every day.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know, it's like you're working with the Russo Brothers
were fantastic. Again, back to that similar thread of like
really hearing your input as an actor, as an artist
and like taking that into consideration. You know, they let
me do a lot of the stunts that you know
that probably were better for a stunt guy.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
But I pushed and I was like, yeah, I can
do it. I can do it. You know, they hurt
me out, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
So that's dope.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
That scene when I come into Wakanda and envisions on
the table and they're trying to I did that, you know,
like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what
I'm saying, Like that kind of stuff. You know you
kind of look back at that like, wow, I don't
even I don't need a picture.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Experience was the thing, you know, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Know it because we talk about having that childlike love
still you know with acting and everything. So you think
about when we was kids and we was running around
jumping over things and flipping over things and being the
action hero that we've seen on TV. You got to
live it in real life at that moment on the
big stage, Like that got to be that got to be.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Fired like that.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Your inner kids like gotta be screening and going crazy.
So again with with Fight Night, that a period piece
had a little bit of spin to it.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
You're dealing with, You're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I feel like Muhammad I Lei has the most I
call them side quests, right, because there's always a story
that Muhammad Ali was a part of randomly or anything, right,
you know, you got him in Vegas somewhere, him and
Georgia somewhere. It's just Muhammed at least always stuck into that.
And so you have this Muhammad Ali fight in there.

(28:07):
You're dealing like, say, that cast got Terrence Howard, Kevin
hard bro so so many legends, Taraji, so many legends
in it. What was that set like for you?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean the first day I was shipping to break because.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I had never met Sam Jackson or or or Kevin
Hard or any any of the actors that are that
I got to.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Play with on this on this show.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
But I watched him all my life, you know, and
to witness their process and witness like the banter in
between takes and take part in it, you know, like
that that was a gift that I don't know it's
just priceless, man, you know, Like and to do a
period piece where with these talented actors like across the board,

(29:01):
it's just like, Wow, we get to really immerse ourselves
in this world and suspend disbelief for a few months
and like really dig into this story because that story, man,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
If you get a chance, check out.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
There's a podcast title Fight Night that was jump off
and I just listened to that podcast by Jeff Keating
over and over again, just trying to like pick out
little pieces. And I think that's the beauty of working
on an event that actually happened. Like you just keep digging,
like like you're doing detective work, you know, and pulling

(29:35):
out information and seeing what sticks and like you know,
sharing stuff with with other actors.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And I feel like that that that set was kind
of like.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
The most generous set I have ever been on, where
you've got Sam Jackson giving you an idea for a
comedic moment and then you know, Kevin will try of
ship and then they banter off and find another moment
together just like everybody's looking at each.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Other up, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
It was it was beautiful to see those black men
and women doing that for each other, and and everybody
from top to bottom was on that same vibe. You know,
we were all working to make this thing great. And
that's the first time in a long time I felt
that kind of like oh shoot, we uh we all
we got and we in this together.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's a it's a
beautiful moment.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So off screen, did you get a chance to like
interact with Samuel Jackson, because I feel like every actor
always have a Samuel Jackson story.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Sam saying Uncle Sam.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, man, He's like, yeah, he's He's a wonderful human,
big man. But at one moment, well it's probably we
was like getting buddy Buddy and he came off set
one day and I was like about asking a question

(31:07):
and this motherfucker he closed like me. I was like, WHOA.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Definitely, you know, because he's one of those people that
he's been in the game so long. But he's also
he seems like such a just a fun individual that
he likes.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
To have fun with the cast, he likes to teach.
I forgot something was who was on that show.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
It was somebody that did I'm blanking, but somebody was
saying like they was doing a table read and Samuel
Jackson was like, yo, who's your dialect coach? And it
was like, oh, blah blah blah whatever. He was like,
man fire him because you trash. But it wasn't like
him coming at him. He was saying, let me help you,
and yeah, and he was and that person and they

(31:53):
ended up being like Samuel Jackson ended up working with
that actor and it was a newer actor that was
like his first role or like his second role, but
like you know, being with Samuel Jackson. So I was like,
that was really dope, just to kind of know that
the veteran actors like that one hold no punches, but
will also be like, let me help you. Let's let's
figure this out, because we wanted to put together something

(32:14):
good and whatever you're working with is not is not working.
I got you, and so yeah, yeah, you hear those
type of stories and it's like that's dope.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah. The biggest gift was being in the scene with
these brothers.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
You know, like there was one scene we shot in
the woods where sam is interrogating one of the robbers
or potential robbers, and you know, I've done theater and
I've done TV and film, but he transcends all genres
and to witness his magnificence, it was a beautiful we

(32:52):
were in the.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Woods, Yeah, this woman up against the tree with a shotgun. Yeah,
I remember that, the way that he uses his voice
on screen and being live in that moment in the scene,
he let out a line and it just kind of
made the ground shake and.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It was the most powerful moment.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
And I was like, oh, wow, you are blessed right
now to be witnessing this, and yeah, I'll never forget that.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
It was just like powerful.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Ah, you gotta be a student of the game man.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But again, now another another huge property that you're part of.
You in that Walking Dead universe. Now, I've been watching
it from day one all over and I got.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
The comic here read at the studio.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's one of my it's one of my favorite shows
that I'm like, I'm dedicated to.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
And then when Mercer came on the screen, it was
just like.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
All right, what does this do about to be on
because you know, you know the Commonwealth, you got, you
got the big armor suit, you know, and you know
you had to be stonefaced for a majority of it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
You had to you had to you know, give that authority. Look.
But his story was so dope because it was like
a man of duty.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
But then he has some sense of morale because you
see that with his interaction with Ezekiel. You know, you
had a lot of back and forth with Gary Payton,
and that to me was like, oh, all right, this
character might not be what we think it is based
off of. Look, you know, don't judge a book by
its cover. When you got a part of that cast
and that show, what was that experience like for you?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I always loved that show.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
I remember when I was in school watching like the
first couple of seasons, I was like, Wow, this is
a this is an unusual show because you have it's
like a wolf pack.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, it's all alpha.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Males on the show, and they are playing well with
each other, and it's just anything where you know, hierarchies
being challenged or re reshaped.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I really enjoyed that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
You know, I've always I've always had a thing for
the show.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I know this is for it. I had just for
it a lot actually, And.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Finally the last season I got I got Michael Michael Mercer.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That was and it was worked the week you know,
but all of that aside.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
It's like you working on the show about the apocalypse
and there's a lot of blood, a lot of gore,
But I had never been on set that. It was
more goofy and more alive.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And yeah, I just had I had.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
A blast getting to know everyone and then digging deeper,
especially working with Pawela Lazarro and then Margo Bingham. Like
we're still tight today, like a lot of keeping touch.
Josh mc derman, We all keep in touch, you know.
And I feel like that twe family thing is it's real, Doug,
and I didn't I didn't know that until I got involved.
I was saying, oh, shoot, why like this is we've

(36:03):
cultivated a family through our trauma of going through Yeah, Mercer,
he was an interesting guy, and I feel like I
channeled a lot of my father in that in that
in that that journey with him, some some of it
on purpose and some of it because you know, he

(36:23):
passed away during the shooting of it.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
And you know that I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, I was dealing with dealing with that and and
and bringing that to the table as much as possible
and not trying to run away from it. You know,
but I'm happy that at that time in my life.
Was very beautiful in the sense because it brought me closer.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
To my father before he passed, but also he.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Got to see me and in that light, which was
a direct reflection of him.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I feel character was a lot of him.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
And yeah, no, it was just special how the universe
kind of collided those two moments.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah. Yeah, he's not anymore and he is in a
better place.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
And I'm just so happy that those two that project
and my life happened at that same moment.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
It was perfect.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
No, that's beautiful man.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
You know you got to think, you know, when you
have a role that can that means that much to
you and you actually attach something a little bit more
meaning to it and then kind of see that it
was also received well, people love that character. It's just
like it's it's really like, you know, honoring, honoring your pops.
And I had a moment where I was thinking about
it because as I was doing research and it said.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
It, this might be me.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Just you know, I'm a person that I try to
manifest things.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
I try to make perfect pairing and things.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
You know what, you know, what movies is set for
you right now because of your pops.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Your pop's name is John Henry Shaw the John Henry.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Story, if you was to do that story, because one
perfect You're perfect for that role. And we haven't had
a good retelling of the John Henry story in a while.
And we're in this new Black explosion of telling our
black stories and everything. If we got a good take,
get a good writer, good director, and put you in
that role, I think you would kill it crazy and

(38:19):
then it'll be another way of honoring John Henry.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's beautiful. Yeah, that that character has been on my
mind for many, many years, you know. Yeah, and I
embody him in a sense. Man, I'm swinging hammers in
my backyard. I'm already the steel driving man, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I feel like, yeah, it might be about time to
put him on the big screen in live action.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I don't think that's been done.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, listen, we we put it out in the air.
We're putting that out in the etho.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Somebody got a right and somebody and everything.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
But man, so I got a couple of fun questions
and everything, and then we'll get into our couple of
hypotheticals and we'll get you out of here as a geek, yourself,
as a nerve that you that you have been when
you were on when you were in Marvel and you
was in the Infinity War and everything and you got
cast it. How fun or stressful was it for you

(39:13):
holding on to those secrets? Not being able to tell
the people that you because I know a lot of
people close to you, was like, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Who's gonna die? What's gonna happen?

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Like?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Was that cool for you? Or was that more stressful?

Speaker 8 (39:25):
It was cool for me. I ain't telling nobody else
working on the ship was Atlanta to Scotland, whatever, but
they ain't know what I was doing. Keeps it out
of the wave. You don't tell nobody anything, and you
ain't gotta.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Worry about it.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I ain't gonna hold you. It'd have been hard for
me to try to tell not to tell people.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I would have I would have been Tom Holland because
I would have been I would have been trying to
leak it out.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
All right. So all right?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So when when I learned and this is something that's crazy,
We're not crazy, but it's something that I didn't learn.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
But I'm learning a lot. More black actors are you're
a Potterhead. You love Harry.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Potter maybe, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm a big potteryn I
love that world.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I read the books when I was younger, and you know,
I may or may not have been to the Universal
Theme Park.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
A few times.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Did you get sorted?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
What sort?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
So what what are you?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Slipper?

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Did that make sense? That makes sense? Now? Are you?
Are you more book or film?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I'm a bit of both.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
And then hard Warts Legacy just got me hooked again.
Like I say in my own like you know, story
within that, like I'm like the bastard child of the
Gaunt family. I made this whole story, tied it into
the world. You know, I just had to give an
excuse for a black man that exist, Harry. I want

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a black man to hold a fucking.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Wand that's the writer in you.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Wi't got no lights, no wand come.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
On right right, that's the writer in you. Though.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I love that, that the creative in you, the writer
in you of saying, you know what, I'm gonna play
this game, but I'm not just gonna play this game.
Let me create this story. Let me because you hear
actors who do that a lot, Like you get a
small role, but then for them to kind of really
get into it, they just create this story, even if
it's not on paper, even if I mean even if
it's not on paper or on screen, you create this
backstory just so you can get into character and everything.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
And I think that that is.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Really dope, just in a creative mind sense, because even
with my journey, when I got into the voice acting,
I was getting a lot of background roles and then
I landed and watched Mojo. But when I was getting
all those background roles, I was just learning from you.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
People like you.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I would do my research when I was doing these interviews,
and I was hearing.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
That that was how the process goes. So I started
doing that.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Myself and then I was like, oh, man, this is
actually gives you a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
It really gets you in character when you do that.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And so that's that's that's dope, that it transcends beyond
just your acting roles.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
You're like you're applying that to your every day.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Like Nerd across the board. Man, it's big time.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Hey, but you know the black Nerd. We have an
explosion ourselves, man, blurred culture and everything. Like I know
that you went to like a lot of comic cons
and and you know international cons.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Have you have you heard about Blurred Con and Dream Con?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, all right, so let me tell you about this
because we got to find some way to get you
down there because okay, so you know how the conventions are.
Imagine the convention ran by black people, that main stage,
all the presenters, all the big time.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Shows and movies and everything whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Is put on those panels black black creatives, black producers,
black directors, everything. And this is the big part that
I talk about this on every time I tell somebody
about Dream Con Blurred Con, is that what I love
when I got there and I was, you know, covering
and get as pressed and then even being there to
present you know, our documentary that we're working on, is

(43:04):
that the staff is all older black people, and you know,
in the black community, the one person that people are
not going to come back is our elder black women
and black men. So it's like, you know what I'm saying,
the saying so and it was like it was just
beautiful to see. And then also the cosplay, seeing black
people in cosplay and just and it's everybody's just showing love.

(43:28):
So Dream Con is ran by this collective called our
DC World. They do dream Con. Blurred Con is just
Blurred Con. We got we gotta find some way to
get you at one of these.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
It's it's all love. I mean, you'll see so much
love and people will love bomb on you, give you know,
give you a lot of praise.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
But it's just at that experience for a black actor,
especially black actors who are in the nerd space, I
say that you've got to experience that. It would change
your world and outlook on things. So we got to
find some way to get you at Blurred Con or
dream Con specifically yes her, yes.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
There, Okay, so all right so outside of that, all right?
What else? What else? Oh? All right? Your music? So
you are a producer.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Heavily influenced by Timberland, and for real, where did that
come from?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Damn? I wasn't expected to talk about music today.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
But you know, music has always been my my other
gift man, my other, my other thing. Like I started
with music. I was a musical theater student, but I
always wrote. I've been writing songs since I was like
fifteen and just writing and producing, learning to play guitar
in high school.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
So it's been like another life that's.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
For me, and I've been growing and developing that skill
on my own and without any sort of like it's
cool because it's not.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
It's not like under any sort of microscope or being.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I guess adjudicated or judged because I'm just like creating
within my own face. So I've kind of graduated from
Logic garage band the Logic. Now I'm playing with the NBC,
working on pro tools, you know, just doing my thing.
I've written and recorded.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
A lot of songs.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I love that, Yeah, because I do music as well.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
When they hit I got songs for everybody was saying.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Hey, listen here, I do music myself as well. And
at some point once.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I start that, don't be surprised when I hit you up, like, hey,
you're trying to clap, all right, So let's get into
some of our fun topics and everything like that. So
I got we have this thing called geek set hypotheticals.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Now, you have been part of some big, major worlds,
but you've been a part of some worlds that are
kind of apocalyptic. So I need to know not your character,
but Michael James Shaw, would you rather be.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
In the twisted metal world or a walking dead world.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh damn, TWD, donna hate me, but it's more room
for a whimsy in the world.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
You know, it's out there, you know, any literally anything
that happened at any moment.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, with that, I really fox with that.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I love you TWD, but twist and okay, okay, all right,
So now the big hypothetical that we generally do zombie apocalypse,
alien apocalypse, robot apocalypse. Which one do you believe that
you could survive the longest.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I think I would survive the longest in an alien apocalypse.
I don't know why, I just have. But no, I'm
a huge I'm a huge fan of sci fi. Like
I just got finished binging Alien Earth.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
And I'm like, oh, this is so good, so good, and.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
The expansion of the world, and I love the intricacies
of like them bringing it to Earth.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Finally, you know that that is special.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I've always loved these guys from universe that he created.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
And yeah, I always go back to it. That's like
one of my favorite favorite as is Alien.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Okay, okay, So now this is more so for you
as an actor, and this is a this or that.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Do you rather make up in prosthetics or the.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Big bulky gear and clothes stuff like you had to wear,
like Walking Dead and stuff like that the Commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
What would you rather as an actor?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Where do you?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Because I know both of them are kind of uncomfortable,
but you got to you know, I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
That's that's a hard question because it all depends on
the role. You know, why are we doing it? Not
down for it? If the why is good, Like I'll
sit in the chair for twelve hours.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
If the why is good, you know, okay that for.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Me if that's a case by a k circumstance, you know.
But I didn't mind any of that. I think that
challenge or that because I would put on that suit
in the morning and I would have it on all
day for walking to day that it wasn't a big deal.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
I liked I liked being in his world, in his restraints,
and it does something to the brain, you know, you
kind of learn to love it, or you learned to
like live with.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
It in a way.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Okay, No, No, I rock with that. I rack with that,
all right.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
So without with all the characters that you played, if
you had to put together a buddy cop movie with
two characters that you played.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
What characters are being in your Buddy cop movie.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
We haven't talked about this guy. I did a show
called Blood and Treasure.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Oh, yes you did. I forgot up.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
The character's name is Shaw.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
He's uh an ex military, but he's also parading around
as someone else in Europe.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
He's an orange dealer, a gentleman of all sorts, and
he's just he's just, he has no filter.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I enjoy playing that character. I think he'd be fun
to pair up with Mercer.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Cop. He's like very and sew is always scheming, always
trying to find some way to like get ahead or
manipulated situation.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
But he always has.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
A fucking it up and Mercer good like uh tip
for tap, you know, uh buddy Buddy cops straight and
straight and straight man and.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
You know the the fop you know.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, I rock with that. I rock with that.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So, as a writer, if you had to expand the
story of one of your characters, who would you want
to expand that story on.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Well, there's a couple, but let's see.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Hey listen the up give me a time were to write.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So if I were to write a walking dead expansion.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I would do a prequel where we see Mercer right
as the disease hit the station in Iraq and he
has to fight his way back to the States to
find his sister and find his family.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
That that's one that I really would love to see.
And then I see, uh, I like that.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Man, Listen, you already got me.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I'm in If you're listening, come and hit me up.
Let's go, let's make something. Let's see. Uh. Yeah, I
still love this character, shaw Man. I just think he
got so much mileage now, yea.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
I love to see like him parading around uh Europe
under the guise of something and and.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Doing his little spy thing and he does, you know,
like pretending to.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
By milk in the situation and getting in over his
head and figuring out how to get out.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You know, I think he's character.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, that was definitely definitely definitely all right, So
out of this is the last question, and then we'll
get we'll get you out of here. You've been a
part of again at that Just Dope franchises, Marvel i'm ceu.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
You've been a part of the Walking Dad.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Now you're in this Twisted Metal franchise. You've been a
part of d C.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Is there any problem you talking about Papa Midnight, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Papa Midnight.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Man.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Is there any properties that you have not been a
part of that you would love to be a part of?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Okay, So, okay, So there's I would love two play with. Uh. Bishop.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Bishop would be good.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Uh is a man from the future coming back to
as almost a savior. I think there's found in that
like and he's a marked man as well, So he's
been through a lot of trauma, been persecuted for being
who he is, being a mutant, And I think there's
a lot of mileage in that story that'd be fun
to play with. Also, i'd love to see like, yeah, yeah,

(52:09):
I'd like to expand upon his life and journey.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah no, no, no, that's dope. That's dope. All right.
Oh yeah, you know, I forgot to ask.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So you're popping up in Doomsday, right, I'm trying to
get I'm trying to get the leg up on Marvel.
I can't I can't get your I can't get nobody
in Marvel to tell me anything.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
So I'm trying to get you to slip up man.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Nice, try try to find out all.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Right, Well, man, I listen here. I just I do
want to say, Man, I want to thank you for
your time and this has been an amazing conversation. Man,
I truly truly appreciate it. And you know, Twisted Metal,
We're going to be seated for it. We can't wait
to see you.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
On that screen and everything else that you got coming go.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
You got lifelong supporters here from geet set, from that culture.
And again I want to say thank you so much
again for this time and for everything that you're giving
on the screen.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Man, we too truly appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Oh, thank you for having me out now on Peacock
check Out.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and you know ask always.

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