October 25, 2025 • 31 mins
Susan Heyward, talks getting into character as Sister Sage, theories about her overall mission, what inspired her to act & More!
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let me choose your character.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, all right, all right, welcome back to the
geek Set podcast only podcasts that blend hip hop, coachure
and geek coaching together.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm your boy, Duces and this is one on one
with Deuces.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The place where I speak with creators, curators and people
that you should know. And guys, if you listen to
my podcast, you already know that I am a big,
big fan of the Boys Universe gen V and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We have none other than v one, the one and
only Susan Hayward aka Sister Stage. How are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm great, Thank you doing, Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm doing amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So first thing first, on my platform, we're very very
big on giving people their flowers while they're here, and
I want to let you you bring to.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Boys Universe. To gen V is so amazing. I mean,
in a.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
World where we're always looking for representation, we're looking for
more people of color and heroes and movies, but not
also just having the same type of character tropes, your
character in this show is so amazing and it speaks
volumes to everything that you're doing. And then you know,
being a nerd and a geek myself just being able
to see you know, a woman in color in such
(01:38):
a high value, like in like a high standard on
the show. I just want to say from the culture
from me, thank you for everything that you are giving
us on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
What a man start. Oh my goodness, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's the dream. That's why I do it. That's why
I do this. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No anytime, anytime, because I know, like I said, you know,
growing up for you, you know you look that characters
like Storm and Shaitar from ThunderCats and Research. Yeah, so
so now you get to throw your you know, your
your your name and that you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Know in that pool.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like how does with like with seeing the emphasis on
like nerd culture growing, you know, cosplaying and everything like that,
how does that feel for you know, the inner geeking
you to be in this world?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It feels amazing. It feels like I wasn't crazy, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Could do it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Like there's you know, the eight year old in me
who was watching the Cosby Show who was like, okay,
Rudy Huxtable, that was my part. But it's okay, you
got that way. You got that way, and it's something
that I've always wanted to do. I've always wanted to
tell stories. Stories have been kind of my guiding light
since I was a kid. And to be in a
world that so many people love and embrace that I embraced.
(02:52):
I was a fan of the show still I'm a
fan of the show. And to be a part of
something that's so topical, it's hitting on the nose, what
people are dealing with when they walk outside their doors
is the dream.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's what I've always wanted to do. So I'm so
I'm so grateful.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And as a writer yourself, I like, I know those
you know, thematic you know moments in there. You got
to like appreciate just the writing and how it's executed.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, I mean I read scripts, I read auditions. I'm
I've always been being on books, novels, biographies, my best
friends of writers actually too. So when I get those
scripts and I see how far ahead they're thinking and
how many balls they're juggling, and how it all comes
(03:36):
together in a way that's satisfying, I'm stoked to be
a part of it right right.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then so I know, like I said, you said,
you know, you know you kind of manifested it without
even manifesting it, because you know, you said you watched it,
and I want to be correct, your boyfriend at the
time or husband.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
At the time.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Boyfriend at the time, well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And you told them, you said, wouldn't it be cool
if I'm on this show?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So when you actually got what was that moment, like,
like what was Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Gosh, it was amazing so on that that we saw
the first episode and I literally pointed to the screen.
It was like, I want to be on something like that,
Like even in the moment, I didn't dreams as as
specific as being on the show, just something like that,
just something close. And then we kept watching seasons and
then when the audition came, I was like, oh, no way,
(04:24):
no way.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Am I going to get there.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So I can just relax and do whatever I want
to do because there's no way I'm actually gonna get it.
So I made the tape with my at that point husband,
and he was a fan of the show, and he
we could talk about like how to do it in
a way that would fit into the thing that we
love so much, and then I sent it off and
let it go. Like I think a real big part
(04:47):
of prayer and manifestation, whatever you want to call it.
It's to not hold on to it too tight. You
give your best and you release it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You let it go.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And I was hanging out with my best friend a
play right stuff and cozy see you girl, and I
got the phone call from my managers and they.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Were like, you got it. And so when you jumped
up off the character like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It was that moment was like like I exhale, like
I inhaled.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Maybe you know two years before when I first saw it,
I can find me exhale in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So with a role like this and in a show
like this, I always want to know because I asked
I asked last the same thing, like when you when
you get this role and you like read the lore
or know about the show, do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You want like do you want to be? Do you
want the extreme?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Or like like is it one of those moments where
you're like, you know what I need my character to go.
I need my character to push these boundaries or do
you want to be one of the world reserved characters.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I wanted to go as far as humanly possible and
in this case superhumanly possible. I want to get at
this part of the fun of this job getting to
do things that you would never have the opportunity, did you.
I remember watching that moment when we see Homelanders we
see his like sexual kink with the milk and all
(06:06):
that stuff, and I was like, this, whatever they're working with,
I want to be in on that, and I want
to push it as far as possible.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I love it, and you know they're they're executing it
with your characters so much in this world, Like I said,
you because you came in immediately, and so it was
just like I like the bait and switch that they
gave us, you know, because because you came in, we're like,
all right, she's definitely going to take.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Down you know, Homelander and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And then it's like, all right, well, but maybe she's
kind of playing Homelander. Like like we were so back
and forth, like all right, do we like Sage or
do we not because we don't know where she's at.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I love that. One of my favorite actresses is Diane Carroll, Okay,
and she's absolutely iconic during that eighties big Shoulder soap
opera kind of time period and beautiful, elegant black women,
and part of her getting that job was telling her agent.
She was like, I want to be the first black
bitch on TV. And you can find this clip of
(07:05):
her talking about this in that in that interview, and
I was at a moment when I wanted the same
thing else, like I do this one kind of character,
but I want to play a character where keep people
guessing you don't know, and it just keeps people on
the edge of their seat. So when it came to
my desk when I got the part, and I saw
those first episodes, and I was like, I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yes, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now one moment.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But so the one thing I like about Sage in
the game, it's one of the things where we're like,
I'm trying to figure her out because she's so against
the soup agenda, where like she doesn't really want to
even wear the suit, but you know, but she's also,
you know, obviously one of the you know if obviously
the smartest soup you know in that world. But for
you as a geek, when you read that part that
(07:48):
she doesn't want to wear the suit, I know a
little bit of you had to go, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yes, that's one hundred percent. I was like, she don't
like it? How does she not like being in the
doesn't want to be a miser?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So I got all of my joy out during the
costume fittings with the amazing team that put the all
the costumes together. They're out in LA They're an incredible team.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I was a little disappointed that she didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But then I get this amazing acting challenge, Right, I
get to have my own joy about it, and then
I get to dive into the mindset of a person
who is so disillusioned with humanity, is so uninterested in
commerce and marketing that she doesn't even want to wear it.
That's a great acting challenge.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So yeah, it's a it's a great aspect for the character,
even just in general, just to add to more of
the mystery of stage because even with the you know,
with the with the recent promotion you know, to our
CEO to Vault, you know, we get in gen v
and everything, we.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Still don't know where stage is and we're like, wait.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
A minute, all right, because it's funny because you know,
I watch a lot of these shows.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I mean I've been deep in Marvel, deep in DC.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm big, big gie, right, And so it's after a
while you know, there's a lot of tropes that you're like, Okay,
you kind of know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
What's going to happen. When when you popped up on JV,
I was like, wait what said? I did not see
that coming and in the way and then the interest,
and I was like, what is going on here? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That is like that is gold to any performer.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
To get people out of their minds, to get people
not feeling like they know what's happening, to get them
anxious and thinking and imagining.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That is gold. So to hear that from you, then
you know, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, And so this is why I said we still
theorized with like all right stages on our side because
one big thing that stood out in the Boys and
it's still kind of leads to like, all right, what
is Sage's overall plan? Is when you tell that story
about like you had a cure for cancer when you
was young, but nobody wanted to listen to you. Now,
we know in today's world, like even especially in the
(09:56):
medical right, that we often hear these stories about how
black women often like they'll talk about, you know, the
pain that they're going through, and doctors don't listen to
them and everything like that, right, and knowing how the
boys really mirrors a lot of real world. So I
was like, all right, so maybe and so this is
my overall I'm like, maybe Sage is like she's deep
deep cover. She's gaining the trust of all these suits,
(10:18):
but in reality, she's really about to lead a revolution
against these soups. Get them out of here, because because
they she knows she's smarter than everybody, and she wanted
to do good, but they didn't want to listen to
her because she was a woman and she was a
black woman.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That is my overall theory about Sage.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I love that theory, and I'm gonna leave you to
your theory and let the episodes confirm just how close
or how far where you are.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, I'm I'm excited for her because even with like
I say, even with the latest revealed, like we're saying,
with Cipher and his problem and his overall goal of
super supremacy and everything, I'm like, that doesn't just that
doesn't really even seem like Sage is bad.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I'm like, what is her role in this?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I feel like she's making Cipher think that this is
like she's aligned with them.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But she really has something to know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I really love what you guys are doing with the
character and everything like that. So now I do want
to take it back a little bit though, like just
even in general with you, because your acting journey has been.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So I know for you, one of the big inspirations
for you was Lynn Whitfield playing Josephine Baker, right, And
I want to know what about that role really inspired
you and motivated you?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Oh man, two things she was.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They started the biography with watching her as a little
black girl, and she was caught up, I think, in
the middle of a riot in her town. And the
way they feel it where she was just this little
black girl surrounded by chaos and violence and feeling really
lost and didn't know her place. I really resonated with
(12:08):
that when at the time when I saw it, I
was living in outside of West Philadelphia in a time
when West Philadelphia was a really hard place to be.
I've since moved, so I think it's still the case
if I'm honest. So the way I watched a story
capture something that I felt, people who didn't know me,
(12:29):
who didn't know my world, but they understood how I
felt and they captured it in the story.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I really resonated with that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And then just the story of Josephine Baker, how she
used performing to make herself safe. She's performing to get
herself out of the United States and travel to France.
She used performance to create the family that she didn't have.
She adopted children from all over the world, and she
called it her Rainbow Tribe because she was so passionate
about bringing peace to people and bringing understanding where it
(12:56):
wasn't naturally happening, so trying to bring peace into a
chaotic world.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Those are two things that really really resonated with me.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, that's no, yeah, that's cause that that that when
I when I when I when I heard that and
then I was I was thinking about it. I was like, oh,
you know what's crazy and this is the like the
how the crazy full circle moment that can be because
I was like, I can totally see you doing Lynn
Whitfield's story in her biopic.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Don't don't do that to me. Don't do that to me.
That plays upside of my face.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
That would be so exciting that I hadn't had that
beout before.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Actually, really, I'm surprised. Have you ever had a chance
to meet her, and like, at least I have had.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
A chance to meet her.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I during my theater days, I got to understudy a
really popular play called Ruined that happened here in New York,
and she came to see it because like it was
one of those things where was like a moment, and
so everybody kind of came to have their moment with
the play. And when she was there, I had told
all of my friends about how much I looked up
to her, how much her work changed my life, and
(13:56):
my other fellow actors in the show had the elbow
meaning like oh, go say hi, introduce yourself. And I
walked up to her like a little student, like all
the flutter, like I love you. So I got the
chance to meet her and give her her flowers, thank
her for her work and her legacy.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No, that's dope. That's dope, because like I said, I
always look for those full.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Circle moments just in general, because it kind of helps, like,
you know, let you know that you're like you're on
the right track.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They always often say, you know, don't meet your heroes
or your celebrities and things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But I'm an overly optimistic.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Person, right, I always assume that people are gonna do good,
it's going to be a good interaction. And I do
believe that if you come genuine, then that that's that
interaction can.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Be like that. So I do really do love that
for you. Speaking of your Broadway days, I mean you're
also a Potterhead.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know, I find myself a slither claw.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay, because I got the wavering, but I got a
little Slytherin in me.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now. Now, obviously you the books, right, Yeah, I got
to ask you the hard question, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh? You know, I thought that was gonna be harder.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Order the Phoenix, Okay, there's something so empowering about the
children looking around and being like, oh, the adults really
are sleep. We don't have to be the ones to
do this. Okay, let's do it. Even when I was
reading them, that was my favorite. And then you know,
I got to be in the Broadway show. I got
to play the daughter of Hermione and Ron twenty years
(15:31):
after the end of the book series, and to watch
how will play dealt with Harry being a child soldier.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Basically all of them were.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Finding a huge epic war when they were children, so
Order the Phoenix was the one. I was like, kids
know way more than we give them credit for.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Absolutely, absolutely, and not just I mean especially in that
Harry Potter world. Listen here, I'm just in that Harry
Potter world. Like, listen, I'd rather be a kid in
that world than be an adult.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Because they're sleep, they're sleep at the wheel.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
They let all of their their beliefs and their assumptions
blind them to what's really going on.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was like, oh, I never I never want to
be that person.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So we have a couple of fun questions and fun
moment segments that we do, and so I want to
ask you a couple of questions, all right. So you know,
in black culture, music plays a big part in our life.
We play music when we clean, we play music when
we're like when we're happy. When we said we played
music as the newly appointed Vaught CEO, what music does
(16:32):
sister say listen to in the morning to get her
day started?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think she, depending on the day, she listened to
some house just kind of like because she's so tapped
into the brain, just something to get her out of
her brain into her body, and then depending on how
much BS is thrown at her, I think she'll listen
to like some some metal actually, I'm thinking of like
Jada Pinkett Smith, just like just absolutely raging out.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And then that's when.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
She's looking for the ice pick and she's like, I
need an ice picker.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think some some house to get a vibeing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And then when she absolutely has to express those feelings
that she I think has a hard time getting in
touch with some some really hard to just get it
all out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I feel like if the day, if it's if
it's a heavy Homelander day, she's definitely got to.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Like I'm coming from you right, like I gotta deal
with this guy today.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
It's like she's not a romantic, you know, she's not
gonna put on some R and B.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
She's not putting on meil. So she's like all of
that stuff for her. I think it's too too.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Like Nandy Pandy doing the fielding. That's not her bag,
that's my bag.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But right, so all right, So are you are you
familiar with Invincible?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm not very familiar with it. I'm aware of it,
but not familiar.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
With Okay, because I gotta ask the questions Superman, Omni Man,
or Homelander, who's winning out of this this triple.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Threat, I think I gotta say Homelander because he just
doesn't have any filter. There's nothing that's off limits for him.
There's nothing that's sacred, nothing holy. I think I think
from what I understand those characters, Homeland is gonna like
find the thing that's the Outland, the outlander no fun intended,
(18:29):
and the thing that everyone else who got no no
that that that's sacred.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
We're not gonna touch that. And he absolutely would.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So that's that's always been my mind because like Superman
is obviously the strongest one, but Superman has a moral compass,
right and then Omni Man for the for those who
watch Invincible, his moral compass is starting to change.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Homelanders been a Homeland.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Moral compass where.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He's never heard of the word.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's like this doesn't make any sense and wouldn't hesitate,
and so I just think of him like this, this
rabbit animal that just won't stop, and think, to me,
that's what's going to put him over put them over there.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Unfortunately, I feel like perseverance, you know, just not stopping
right in the day in that case, not necessarily for
the betnefit of anyone except Homelander.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So another one other thing that I love doing with
a lot of actors who have like a lot of
like dope roles and everything like that, is I like.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
To create this this multiverse. So in the multiverse of Susan.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I have a question Dina from Power and Stage meets
what what what?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
What? What? What happens? And what does Dina think of stage?
What a Sage think of Dina?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I think Dina thinks the stage is full of herself,
that her powers don't mean shit. I think Dina would
try to interrogate her, but I think Sage would get
into all of Dina's like daddy issues and like tell
her about herself and be like, you don't think I'm arriant,
(20:08):
You're unsure about yourself, little girl too. And then I
think they might actually vibe off of working with a
white man stuff to work with. They might start off
really really like aggressively against each other and then bond
and be like with these.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
White boys, though, how you dealing with yours?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That hilarious because, like I said, you know, when I
was looking at it, I was like I would think.
I was like, there's they're so different, but like I
can still see those similarities where like they would have
things to talk about where it was like all right,
but all right now that we got that out.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Cause has her own daddy issues, her own family dynamics complicated,
and I think everything they do in the world is
kind of just read it from all of that those wounds,
all of that deeper inner stuff that they never quite
figured out how to work out because they don't go
to therapy because therapy is not dramatic, it's a fresh
So they're working out all of that stuff at work
(21:12):
or in the world. And I think putting them in
the same place, you have the fireworks at first, and
then I think you have two women who are kind
of dealing with some real similar stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's a last fun question.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I like, I got to get a top five
out of you in the in the gen v Boys universe,
top five shocking moments for you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my gosh, there's so many.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Doesn't have to be in order.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'll give you that so that way, but I think
the man going into the man's penis and then yes,
I mean I was like, wow, guys, uh. For me
that that mug, that breast milk sexual mummy thing that
was I was like.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, it was landers reaction that because they became a
mean but when she sprayed it on him and he
had that, it was genuine like he.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I was prepared. It lives with me still and I
love that. I loved it, like because so much.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And just a little segue, but so much of the
industry uses sex as like I don't know, extra or
distraction or disensationalized, but the psychology behind the sex and
the boys is so deep and.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Rich, especially with especially with Sage, like so with the
with the whole deep situation.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean, I gotta give the ice pick number three
that was talking for me when I read it, and
then I was like, oh my god, I get to
do it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm so happy.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And then Robin Robin's death and just to set it up,
that set up where we were going, and we knew
we were only going to go up from there, so
that was a huge one. And then you know, I
think it was necessarily shocking. But at the end of
I think it was season three, you had Butcher and
then Homelander with their their beef, and then Soldier Boy came. Yeah,
(23:11):
then when Soldier Boy entered, all of the loyalties went
and shifted in a way that was so dramatically satisfying.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I was like, oh damn, it was like watching my
stories again.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I was like, so that just like as a as
a storyteller, as someone who is so deeply invested in
the character dynamics that shift at the end, that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Side note, just because you brought up Soldier Boy.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm a big Supernatural fan, so I'm loving the oh
my god every like, and then they bringing Sammy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Now I'm like, I don't get here for her. So
one thing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That I started realizing is that, like a lot of
actors like so, once you get into characters and everything,
certain times you're like, you learn something from your character
about yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So playing Sage, what did you learn about yourself?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh gosh, I learned that I have my own Joseph
cynicism about the world, about the state of the world,
about the dark side. I don't even like saying dark,
because dark is beautiful thing about the sinister side of humanity,
and that it can be easy to give up, right,
It's easy to just give up, write humanity off and
(24:19):
be like I'm better than.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
All of you, huzzah. So I had to deal with
my own bit.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Of cynicism when working with this role, and then how
important it is to be around people who are good
for you, because she, you know, she lost her family young,
she lost her grandma young, and that she never replaced
that with humanity that she could either grieve with or
grow with. And you know, she was in teenage Kicks
(24:45):
for a while with a train and then that didn't
work out.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So she I think she isolated too much.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And I think that's a lot of the gas about
why she moves the way she moves.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
She's alone a little too much. She's a friend.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
And then it was really important for me to be like,
oh right, because sometimes I'll hermit. I'll like, i'll be
a workaholic, I'll work a little too hard or go
a little bit into my books or binge a movie
and be like, no, reach out to you people.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Make sure you find your people and reach out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, Like, I'm a big advocate for just like reaching
out to people, just saying, Yo, how's things going, you know,
because because you know that's you know, especially in the
black community, that's a thing that we often don't do.
You know, there's a lot of tropes, you know, the
strong black woman, so you know, the strong you know,
strong black man can't show emotion.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And yeah, and so there's a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
That people don't check on people because we kind of
got that, you know already. I think the pandemic was
the pandemic unfortunately, but kind of the blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It forced a lot of people to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
To unpack things, to be like, you know what, let
me check on somebody, you know, you know, And I
think that is you know, I've been seeing a lot
of growth in our community about that because of that.
And I'm a person that I genuinely love that because
I'm like, yeah, let's make I'm a champion of people.
I'm a champion of chase your dreams, follow your dreams.
I mean, like that explain to y'all you know what
(26:10):
I'm saying. I'm a one man showing the interview. But
I got a team for our my genuine, genuine, genuine
general podcast. But like you know, we we everything that
we have done, we kind of just rally together and
so all those woes ups and down, we kind of
lean on each other, and I think it made us
better as people. And so you know, I like said,
I agree, like you say, when you take those moments from.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
The character that you like, you're able to realize that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know, because you as a writer and as an actor,
you know, you're you, you point.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're able to identify those.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But it's really great that you also are able to
take from that in your real world.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Just like put a little mirror up to myself and
go like, oh am, I sharing a little.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Bit too much. Let me go ahead and go back
to my real life. Yeah, and you know, turn and
die a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And then like I said, you know, I feel like
especially since the pandemic, so a little bit about our journey.
When we started the podcas, we just wanted to show
that black people are into these type of things anime,
comic books, video games, right, but now as we're living
into it, like I said, we're trying to do a
documentary and everything about blurred culture, but we're seeing so
many of us doing so many things, you know, and
(27:15):
everything like that. Have you seen like people cosplay you yet?
Have you ran into like them type of fans yet?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I have?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I have.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I've gone to a few cons, and every now and
then other cast members will go to different cons and
they'll send me a picture like.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
So we have a little group chat. It's like, so, yeah,
I've been able to see it, and like we talked about.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In the beginning, it's been so satisfying and humbling and
gratifying to be like, oh, I've entered. I've entered the
world and then been able to be that for other people,
been able to when it's time to go to the can,
when it's time to find an outfit that that character
can can meet someone to be I know who I'm
going to be on the Sage and Ladies.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I see you.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I see the locks. Okay, I see the color, I
see the shape you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So two cons I want to tell you about, justin general,
you probably already heard about it, but if if you
tell your team, if you ever get the availability, either
blurd Con or dream Con.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Those are the two I've heard about.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Dream Con.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, blurd Con is.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Usually in DC, I do believe, yeah yeah, but those
are unapologetically black ran by black people. And here's what
The one thing I love about those cons is that
you know, I haven't been fortunate enough to go to
a comic con like you know, the official ones yet,
but I've been to you know, C two E two
in Chicago and all these other smaller cons or you know,
(28:41):
other like slightly bigger cons, right, And when you look
at the talent on stage and everything like that at
dream Con and blurd Con, it's a lot of us, right.
But the one thing that I love the most, and
I was like, this kind of shows me like this
is our people too.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Is that the staff and security with us.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And you know, in the black community, you see an
old black man, old black lady, You're like, all right,
it's instant respect you Like, you know, if they tell
you get in the back of the line, all right,
I'm going in the back of the line.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
We respect our elders.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So I was just it was very very refreshing to
kind of see all that. So tell your team if
you if your availability opens around any of those, definitely
it's I guarantee you you would have a blast.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It'll be so much love bombing on you.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You'd be like thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
That is a part of the the the relationship that
I'm still figuring out because I was like, you know,
theater actress and then a little bit on TV, a
little bit here, and then to be on something like
The Boys, It's a completely different level of exposure than
than I was used to.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So to hear that you know there's us waiting waiting
for me out there faces made it specifically for us.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
No following. I will say, our time is coming to
an end.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But I do want to say again, thank you so
much for everything that you are giving us on the show.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Thank you for so much that you're giving to this
world with your acting and your writing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I want to say you have a lifelong fan
here with Geek Said and my team and me, and
we'll continue to support you with support you and everything
you're doing and all your endeavors.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you so much and I'll continue to suport you.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I love, love, love what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
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The place where I speak with creators, curators and people
that you should know. And guys, if you listen to
my podcast, you already know that I am a big,
big fan of the Boys Universe gen V and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We have none other than v one, the one and
only Susan Hayward aka Sister Stage. How are you doing today?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm great, Thank you doing, Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm doing amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So first thing first, on my platform, we're very very
big on giving people their flowers while they're here, and
I want to let you you bring to.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Boys Universe. To gen V is so amazing. I mean,
in a.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
World where we're always looking for representation, we're looking for
more people of color and heroes and movies, but not
also just having the same type of character tropes, your
character in this show is so amazing and it speaks
volumes to everything that you're doing. And then you know,
being a nerd and a geek myself just being able
to see you know, a woman in color in such
(01:38):
a high value, like in like a high standard on
the show. I just want to say from the culture
from me, thank you for everything that you are giving
us on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
What a man start. Oh my goodness, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's the dream. That's why I do it. That's why
I do this. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
No anytime, anytime, because I know, like I said, you know,
growing up for you, you know you look that characters
like Storm and Shaitar from ThunderCats and Research. Yeah, so
so now you get to throw your you know, your
your your name and that you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Know in that pool.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like how does with like with seeing the emphasis on
like nerd culture growing, you know, cosplaying and everything like that,
how does that feel for you know, the inner geeking
you to be in this world?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It feels amazing. It feels like I wasn't crazy, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Could do it.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Like there's you know, the eight year old in me
who was watching the Cosby Show who was like, okay,
Rudy Huxtable, that was my part. But it's okay, you
got that way. You got that way, and it's something
that I've always wanted to do. I've always wanted to
tell stories. Stories have been kind of my guiding light
since I was a kid. And to be in a
world that so many people love and embrace that I embraced.
(02:52):
I was a fan of the show still I'm a
fan of the show. And to be a part of
something that's so topical, it's hitting on the nose, what
people are dealing with when they walk outside their doors
is the dream.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's what I've always wanted to do. So I'm so
I'm so grateful.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And as a writer yourself, I like, I know those
you know, thematic you know moments in there. You got
to like appreciate just the writing and how it's executed.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, I mean I read scripts, I read auditions. I'm
I've always been being on books, novels, biographies, my best
friends of writers actually too. So when I get those
scripts and I see how far ahead they're thinking and
how many balls they're juggling, and how it all comes
(03:36):
together in a way that's satisfying, I'm stoked to be
a part of it right right.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then so I know, like I said, you said,
you know, you know you kind of manifested it without
even manifesting it, because you know, you said you watched it,
and I want to be correct, your boyfriend at the
time or husband.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
At the time.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Boyfriend at the time, well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And you told them, you said, wouldn't it be cool
if I'm on this show?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So when you actually got what was that moment, like,
like what was Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Gosh, it was amazing so on that that we saw
the first episode and I literally pointed to the screen.
It was like, I want to be on something like that,
Like even in the moment, I didn't dreams as as
specific as being on the show, just something like that,
just something close. And then we kept watching seasons and
then when the audition came, I was like, oh, no way,
(04:24):
no way.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Am I going to get there.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So I can just relax and do whatever I want
to do because there's no way I'm actually gonna get it.
So I made the tape with my at that point husband,
and he was a fan of the show, and he
we could talk about like how to do it in
a way that would fit into the thing that we
love so much, and then I sent it off and
let it go. Like I think a real big part
(04:47):
of prayer and manifestation, whatever you want to call it.
It's to not hold on to it too tight. You
give your best and you release it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
You let it go.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And I was hanging out with my best friend a
play right stuff and cozy see you girl, and I
got the phone call from my managers and they.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Were like, you got it. And so when you jumped
up off the character like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It was that moment was like like I exhale, like
I inhaled.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Maybe you know two years before when I first saw it,
I can find me exhale in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So with a role like this and in a show
like this, I always want to know because I asked
I asked last the same thing, like when you when
you get this role and you like read the lore
or know about the show, do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
You want like do you want to be? Do you
want the extreme?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Or like like is it one of those moments where
you're like, you know what I need my character to go.
I need my character to push these boundaries or do
you want to be one of the world reserved characters.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I wanted to go as far as humanly possible and
in this case superhumanly possible. I want to get at
this part of the fun of this job getting to
do things that you would never have the opportunity, did you.
I remember watching that moment when we see Homelanders we
see his like sexual kink with the milk and all
(06:06):
that stuff, and I was like, this, whatever they're working with,
I want to be in on that, and I want
to push it as far as possible.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I love it, and you know they're they're executing it
with your characters so much in this world, Like I said,
you because you came in immediately, and so it was
just like I like the bait and switch that they
gave us, you know, because because you came in, we're like,
all right, she's definitely going to take.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Down you know, Homelander and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And then it's like, all right, well, but maybe she's
kind of playing Homelander. Like like we were so back
and forth, like all right, do we like Sage or
do we not because we don't know where she's at.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I love that. One of my favorite actresses is Diane Carroll, Okay,
and she's absolutely iconic during that eighties big Shoulder soap
opera kind of time period and beautiful, elegant black women,
and part of her getting that job was telling her agent.
She was like, I want to be the first black
bitch on TV. And you can find this clip of
(07:05):
her talking about this in that in that interview, and
I was at a moment when I wanted the same
thing else, like I do this one kind of character,
but I want to play a character where keep people
guessing you don't know, and it just keeps people on
the edge of their seat. So when it came to
my desk when I got the part, and I saw
those first episodes, and I was like, I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yes, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now one moment.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But so the one thing I like about Sage in
the game, it's one of the things where we're like,
I'm trying to figure her out because she's so against
the soup agenda, where like she doesn't really want to
even wear the suit, but you know, but she's also,
you know, obviously one of the you know if obviously
the smartest soup you know in that world. But for
you as a geek, when you read that part that
(07:48):
she doesn't want to wear the suit, I know a
little bit of you had to go, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yes, that's one hundred percent. I was like, she don't
like it? How does she not like being in the
doesn't want to be a miser?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
So I got all of my joy out during the
costume fittings with the amazing team that put the all
the costumes together. They're out in LA They're an incredible team.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I was a little disappointed that she didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
But then I get this amazing acting challenge, Right, I
get to have my own joy about it, and then
I get to dive into the mindset of a person
who is so disillusioned with humanity, is so uninterested in
commerce and marketing that she doesn't even want to wear it.
That's a great acting challenge.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So yeah, it's a it's a great aspect for the character,
even just in general, just to add to more of
the mystery of stage because even with the you know,
with the with the recent promotion you know, to our
CEO to Vault, you know, we get in gen v
and everything, we.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Still don't know where stage is and we're like, wait.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
A minute, all right, because it's funny because you know,
I watch a lot of these shows.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I mean I've been deep in Marvel, deep in DC.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm big, big gie, right, And so it's after a
while you know, there's a lot of tropes that you're like, Okay,
you kind of know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
What's going to happen. When when you popped up on JV,
I was like, wait what said? I did not see
that coming and in the way and then the interest,
and I was like, what is going on here? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That is like that is gold to any performer.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
To get people out of their minds, to get people
not feeling like they know what's happening, to get them
anxious and thinking and imagining.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
That is gold. So to hear that from you, then
you know, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, And so this is why I said we still
theorized with like all right stages on our side because
one big thing that stood out in the Boys and
it's still kind of leads to like, all right, what
is Sage's overall plan? Is when you tell that story
about like you had a cure for cancer when you
was young, but nobody wanted to listen to you. Now,
we know in today's world, like even especially in the
(09:56):
medical right, that we often hear these stories about how
black women often like they'll talk about, you know, the
pain that they're going through, and doctors don't listen to
them and everything like that, right, and knowing how the
boys really mirrors a lot of real world. So I
was like, all right, so maybe and so this is
my overall I'm like, maybe Sage is like she's deep
deep cover. She's gaining the trust of all these suits,
(10:18):
but in reality, she's really about to lead a revolution
against these soups. Get them out of here, because because
they she knows she's smarter than everybody, and she wanted
to do good, but they didn't want to listen to
her because she was a woman and she was a
black woman.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That is my overall theory about Sage.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I love that theory, and I'm gonna leave you to
your theory and let the episodes confirm just how close
or how far where you are.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, I'm I'm excited for her because even with like
I say, even with the latest revealed, like we're saying,
with Cipher and his problem and his overall goal of
super supremacy and everything, I'm like, that doesn't just that
doesn't really even seem like Sage is bad.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I'm like, what is her role in this?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I feel like she's making Cipher think that this is
like she's aligned with them.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But she really has something to know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I really love what you guys are doing with the
character and everything like that. So now I do want
to take it back a little bit though, like just
even in general with you, because your acting journey has been.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So I know for you, one of the big inspirations
for you was Lynn Whitfield playing Josephine Baker, right, And
I want to know what about that role really inspired
you and motivated you?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Oh man, two things she was.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They started the biography with watching her as a little
black girl, and she was caught up, I think, in
the middle of a riot in her town. And the
way they feel it where she was just this little
black girl surrounded by chaos and violence and feeling really
lost and didn't know her place. I really resonated with
(12:08):
that when at the time when I saw it, I
was living in outside of West Philadelphia in a time
when West Philadelphia was a really hard place to be.
I've since moved, so I think it's still the case
if I'm honest. So the way I watched a story
capture something that I felt, people who didn't know me,
(12:29):
who didn't know my world, but they understood how I
felt and they captured it in the story.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I really resonated with that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And then just the story of Josephine Baker, how she
used performing to make herself safe. She's performing to get
herself out of the United States and travel to France.
She used performance to create the family that she didn't have.
She adopted children from all over the world, and she
called it her Rainbow Tribe because she was so passionate
about bringing peace to people and bringing understanding where it
(12:56):
wasn't naturally happening, so trying to bring peace into a
chaotic world.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Those are two things that really really resonated with me.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, that's no, yeah, that's cause that that that when
I when I when I when I heard that and
then I was I was thinking about it. I was like, oh,
you know what's crazy and this is the like the
how the crazy full circle moment that can be because
I was like, I can totally see you doing Lynn
Whitfield's story in her biopic.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Don't don't do that to me. Don't do that to me.
That plays upside of my face.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
That would be so exciting that I hadn't had that
beout before.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Actually, really, I'm surprised. Have you ever had a chance
to meet her, and like, at least I have had.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
A chance to meet her.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I during my theater days, I got to understudy a
really popular play called Ruined that happened here in New York,
and she came to see it because like it was
one of those things where was like a moment, and
so everybody kind of came to have their moment with
the play. And when she was there, I had told
all of my friends about how much I looked up
to her, how much her work changed my life, and
(13:56):
my other fellow actors in the show had the elbow
meaning like oh, go say hi, introduce yourself. And I
walked up to her like a little student, like all
the flutter, like I love you. So I got the
chance to meet her and give her her flowers, thank
her for her work and her legacy.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I'll never forget that moment.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No, that's dope. That's dope, because like I said, I
always look for those full.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Circle moments just in general, because it kind of helps, like,
you know, let you know that you're like you're on
the right track.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They always often say, you know, don't meet your heroes
or your celebrities and things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But I'm an overly optimistic.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Person, right, I always assume that people are gonna do good,
it's going to be a good interaction. And I do
believe that if you come genuine, then that that's that
interaction can.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Be like that. So I do really do love that
for you. Speaking of your Broadway days, I mean you're
also a Potterhead.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know, I find myself a slither claw.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay, because I got the wavering, but I got a
little Slytherin in me.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now. Now, obviously you the books, right, Yeah, I got
to ask you the hard question, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh? You know, I thought that was gonna be harder.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Order the Phoenix, Okay, there's something so empowering about the
children looking around and being like, oh, the adults really
are sleep. We don't have to be the ones to
do this. Okay, let's do it. Even when I was
reading them, that was my favorite. And then you know,
I got to be in the Broadway show. I got
to play the daughter of Hermione and Ron twenty years
(15:31):
after the end of the book series, and to watch
how will play dealt with Harry being a child soldier.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Basically all of them were.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Finding a huge epic war when they were children, so
Order the Phoenix was the one. I was like, kids
know way more than we give them credit for.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Absolutely, absolutely, and not just I mean especially in that
Harry Potter world. Listen here, I'm just in that Harry
Potter world. Like, listen, I'd rather be a kid in
that world than be an adult.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Because they're sleep, they're sleep at the wheel.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
They let all of their their beliefs and their assumptions
blind them to what's really going on.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was like, oh, I never I never want to
be that person.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So we have a couple of fun questions and fun
moment segments that we do, and so I want to
ask you a couple of questions, all right. So you know,
in black culture, music plays a big part in our life.
We play music when we clean, we play music when
we're like when we're happy. When we said we played
music as the newly appointed Vaught CEO, what music does
(16:32):
sister say listen to in the morning to get her
day started?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
I think she, depending on the day, she listened to
some house just kind of like because she's so tapped
into the brain, just something to get her out of
her brain into her body, and then depending on how
much BS is thrown at her, I think she'll listen
to like some some metal actually, I'm thinking of like
Jada Pinkett Smith, just like just absolutely raging out.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And then that's when.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
She's looking for the ice pick and she's like, I
need an ice picker.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think some some house to get a vibeing.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And then when she absolutely has to express those feelings
that she I think has a hard time getting in
touch with some some really hard to just get it
all out.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I feel like if the day, if it's if
it's a heavy Homelander day, she's definitely got to.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Like I'm coming from you right, like I gotta deal
with this guy today.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
It's like she's not a romantic, you know, she's not
gonna put on some R and B.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
She's not putting on meil. So she's like all of
that stuff for her. I think it's too too.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Like Nandy Pandy doing the fielding. That's not her bag,
that's my bag.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But right, so all right, So are you are you
familiar with Invincible?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm not very familiar with it. I'm aware of it,
but not familiar.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
With Okay, because I gotta ask the questions Superman, Omni Man,
or Homelander, who's winning out of this this triple.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Threat, I think I gotta say Homelander because he just
doesn't have any filter. There's nothing that's off limits for him.
There's nothing that's sacred, nothing holy. I think I think
from what I understand those characters, Homeland is gonna like
find the thing that's the Outland, the outlander no fun intended,
(18:29):
and the thing that everyone else who got no no
that that that's sacred.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
We're not gonna touch that. And he absolutely would.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So that's that's always been my mind because like Superman
is obviously the strongest one, but Superman has a moral compass,
right and then Omni Man for the for those who
watch Invincible, his moral compass is starting to change.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Homelanders been a Homeland.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Moral compass where.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He's never heard of the word.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's like this doesn't make any sense and wouldn't hesitate,
and so I just think of him like this, this
rabbit animal that just won't stop, and think, to me,
that's what's going to put him over put them over there.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Unfortunately, I feel like perseverance, you know, just not stopping
right in the day in that case, not necessarily for
the betnefit of anyone except Homelander.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So another one other thing that I love doing with
a lot of actors who have like a lot of
like dope roles and everything like that, is I like.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
To create this this multiverse. So in the multiverse of Susan.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I have a question Dina from Power and Stage meets
what what what?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
What? What? What happens? And what does Dina think of stage?
What a Sage think of Dina?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I think Dina thinks the stage is full of herself,
that her powers don't mean shit. I think Dina would
try to interrogate her, but I think Sage would get
into all of Dina's like daddy issues and like tell
her about herself and be like, you don't think I'm arriant,
(20:08):
You're unsure about yourself, little girl too. And then I
think they might actually vibe off of working with a
white man stuff to work with. They might start off
really really like aggressively against each other and then bond
and be like with these.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
White boys, though, how you dealing with yours?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That hilarious because, like I said, you know, when I
was looking at it, I was like I would think.
I was like, there's they're so different, but like I
can still see those similarities where like they would have
things to talk about where it was like all right,
but all right now that we got that out.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Cause has her own daddy issues, her own family dynamics complicated,
and I think everything they do in the world is
kind of just read it from all of that those wounds,
all of that deeper inner stuff that they never quite
figured out how to work out because they don't go
to therapy because therapy is not dramatic, it's a fresh
So they're working out all of that stuff at work
(21:12):
or in the world. And I think putting them in
the same place, you have the fireworks at first, and
then I think you have two women who are kind
of dealing with some real similar stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's a last fun question.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So I like, I got to get a top five
out of you in the in the gen v Boys universe,
top five shocking moments for you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh my gosh, there's so many.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Doesn't have to be in order.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'll give you that so that way, but I think
the man going into the man's penis and then yes,
I mean I was like, wow, guys, uh. For me
that that mug, that breast milk sexual mummy thing that
was I was like.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, it was landers reaction that because they became a
mean but when she sprayed it on him and he
had that, it was genuine like he.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I was prepared. It lives with me still and I
love that. I loved it, like because so much.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And just a little segue, but so much of the
industry uses sex as like I don't know, extra or
distraction or disensationalized, but the psychology behind the sex and
the boys is so deep and.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Rich, especially with especially with Sage, like so with the
with the whole deep situation.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean, I gotta give the ice pick number three
that was talking for me when I read it, and
then I was like, oh my god, I get to
do it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm so happy.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And then Robin Robin's death and just to set it up,
that set up where we were going, and we knew
we were only going to go up from there, so
that was a huge one. And then you know, I
think it was necessarily shocking. But at the end of
I think it was season three, you had Butcher and
then Homelander with their their beef, and then Soldier Boy came. Yeah,
(23:11):
then when Soldier Boy entered, all of the loyalties went
and shifted in a way that was so dramatically satisfying.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I was like, oh damn, it was like watching my
stories again.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I was like, so that just like as a as
a storyteller, as someone who is so deeply invested in
the character dynamics that shift at the end, that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Side note, just because you brought up Soldier Boy.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I'm a big Supernatural fan, so I'm loving the oh
my god every like, and then they bringing Sammy.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Now I'm like, I don't get here for her. So
one thing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That I started realizing is that, like a lot of
actors like so, once you get into characters and everything,
certain times you're like, you learn something from your character
about yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So playing Sage, what did you learn about yourself?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh gosh, I learned that I have my own Joseph
cynicism about the world, about the state of the world,
about the dark side. I don't even like saying dark,
because dark is beautiful thing about the sinister side of humanity,
and that it can be easy to give up, right,
It's easy to just give up, write humanity off and
(24:19):
be like I'm better than.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
All of you, huzzah. So I had to deal with
my own bit.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Of cynicism when working with this role, and then how
important it is to be around people who are good
for you, because she, you know, she lost her family young,
she lost her grandma young, and that she never replaced
that with humanity that she could either grieve with or
grow with. And you know, she was in teenage Kicks
(24:45):
for a while with a train and then that didn't
work out.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So she I think she isolated too much.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And I think that's a lot of the gas about
why she moves the way she moves.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
She's alone a little too much. She's a friend.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
And then it was really important for me to be like,
oh right, because sometimes I'll hermit. I'll like, i'll be
a workaholic, I'll work a little too hard or go
a little bit into my books or binge a movie
and be like, no, reach out to you people.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Make sure you find your people and reach out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, Like, I'm a big advocate for just like reaching
out to people, just saying, Yo, how's things going, you know,
because because you know that's you know, especially in the
black community, that's a thing that we often don't do.
You know, there's a lot of tropes, you know, the
strong black woman, so you know, the strong you know,
strong black man can't show emotion.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And yeah, and so there's a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
That people don't check on people because we kind of
got that, you know already. I think the pandemic was
the pandemic unfortunately, but kind of the blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It forced a lot of people to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
To unpack things, to be like, you know what, let
me check on somebody, you know, you know, And I
think that is you know, I've been seeing a lot
of growth in our community about that because of that.
And I'm a person that I genuinely love that because
I'm like, yeah, let's make I'm a champion of people.
I'm a champion of chase your dreams, follow your dreams.
I mean, like that explain to y'all you know what
(26:10):
I'm saying. I'm a one man showing the interview. But
I got a team for our my genuine, genuine, genuine
general podcast. But like you know, we we everything that
we have done, we kind of just rally together and
so all those woes ups and down, we kind of
lean on each other, and I think it made us
better as people. And so you know, I like said,
I agree, like you say, when you take those moments from.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
The character that you like, you're able to realize that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know, because you as a writer and as an actor,
you know, you're you, you point.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You're able to identify those.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But it's really great that you also are able to
take from that in your real world.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Just like put a little mirror up to myself and
go like, oh am, I sharing a little.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Bit too much. Let me go ahead and go back
to my real life. Yeah, and you know, turn and
die a little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
And then like I said, you know, I feel like
especially since the pandemic, so a little bit about our journey.
When we started the podcas, we just wanted to show
that black people are into these type of things anime,
comic books, video games, right, but now as we're living
into it, like I said, we're trying to do a
documentary and everything about blurred culture, but we're seeing so
many of us doing so many things, you know, and
(27:15):
everything like that. Have you seen like people cosplay you yet?
Have you ran into like them type of fans yet?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I have?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I have.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I've gone to a few cons, and every now and
then other cast members will go to different cons and
they'll send me a picture like.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
So we have a little group chat. It's like, so, yeah,
I've been able to see it, and like we talked about.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
In the beginning, it's been so satisfying and humbling and
gratifying to be like, oh, I've entered. I've entered the
world and then been able to be that for other people,
been able to when it's time to go to the can,
when it's time to find an outfit that that character
can can meet someone to be I know who I'm
going to be on the Sage and Ladies.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I see you.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I see the locks. Okay, I see the color, I
see the shape you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So two cons I want to tell you about, justin general,
you probably already heard about it, but if if you
tell your team, if you ever get the availability, either
blurd Con or dream Con.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Those are the two I've heard about.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Dream Con.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, blurd Con is.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Usually in DC, I do believe, yeah yeah, but those
are unapologetically black ran by black people. And here's what
The one thing I love about those cons is that
you know, I haven't been fortunate enough to go to
a comic con like you know, the official ones yet,
but I've been to you know, C two E two
in Chicago and all these other smaller cons or you know,
(28:41):
other like slightly bigger cons, right, And when you look
at the talent on stage and everything like that at
dream Con and blurd Con, it's a lot of us, right.
But the one thing that I love the most, and
I was like, this kind of shows me like this
is our people too.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Is that the staff and security with us.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
And you know, in the black community, you see an
old black man, old black lady, You're like, all right,
it's instant respect you Like, you know, if they tell
you get in the back of the line, all right,
I'm going in the back of the line.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
We respect our elders.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So I was just it was very very refreshing to
kind of see all that. So tell your team if
you if your availability opens around any of those, definitely
it's I guarantee you you would have a blast.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It'll be so much love bombing on you.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You'd be like thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
That is a part of the the the relationship that
I'm still figuring out because I was like, you know,
theater actress and then a little bit on TV, a
little bit here, and then to be on something like
The Boys, It's a completely different level of exposure than
than I was used to.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So to hear that you know there's us waiting waiting
for me out there faces made it specifically for us.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
No following. I will say, our time is coming to
an end.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But I do want to say again, thank you so
much for everything that you are giving us on the show.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Thank you for so much that you're giving to this
world with your acting and your writing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I want to say you have a lifelong fan
here with Geek Said and my team and me, and
we'll continue to support you with support you and everything
you're doing and all your endeavors.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you so much and I'll continue to suport you.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I love, love, love what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Don't follow me.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And as always, this is the only podcast that Blade
Hip Hop Coachure and Geek Coaching together. I've been your boy, Deuces.
This has been the amazing Susan Hayward and we are
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
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Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh nobody gonna join you?
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Jo's Our Adventure. What I'm talking about it.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I want to be able to have my polls just
like I want to throw it in there game nights.
I feel like Twister is gonna get people in some
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