March 10, 2022 • 31 mins
To paraphrase GnR, "she used to love him, but she had to kill him".
There are a handful of truly great twists and shocks on 24. The tale of Marie Warner is easily in my Top 5 of the series. And this wasn't even the first time she fooled me!
It was a thrill to reunite Laura with her "sister" Sarah Wynter in November, and we get to hear how they kinda became sisters beyond the show. We also talk about that tear, The Faculty, Dead Like Me and her incredible pivot into Social Ecology and Humane Tech.
She may be one of the few people on 24 to actually understand the technology that, at the time, the show was making up.
Enjoy our delightful conversation with the other Warner Sister!
https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Laura_Harris
Sonic permutations provided by Lp. https://lyndonperry.bandcamp.com
There are a handful of truly great twists and shocks on 24. The tale of Marie Warner is easily in my Top 5 of the series. And this wasn't even the first time she fooled me!
It was a thrill to reunite Laura with her "sister" Sarah Wynter in November, and we get to hear how they kinda became sisters beyond the show. We also talk about that tear, The Faculty, Dead Like Me and her incredible pivot into Social Ecology and Humane Tech.
She may be one of the few people on 24 to actually understand the technology that, at the time, the show was making up.
Enjoy our delightful conversation with the other Warner Sister!
https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Laura_Harris
Sonic permutations provided by Lp. https://lyndonperry.bandcamp.com
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Okay, today we're back on twentyyears of twenty four with Laura Harris.
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We welcome you to the podcast.Thanks today. You might remember her from
twenty four season two as Marie Warner. He started off as a one and
then she transformed into the bad one. We found out she was working with
Sietta Lee Harris and season two,so she was a great memorable character on
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the show. So let's start offand on how did you get involved with
twenty four and what was your experiencelike playing Marie Warner. Hi, Yeah,
gosh, I do have to reachfar back into the into the other
gives. I think I just auditioned, and if I remember correctly, there
were only like two lines in theaudition, which is sort of a strange
(01:27):
way to wow to make a mark, you know, But thankfully they those
two lines worked, what they didwhat they needed to do. Yeah,
and then we and you know,of course, I'm sure you guys know
that the actors have no idea,or most of them have no idea what's
going to happen to their characters.So yeah, I just was like,
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oh, it's like a small supportingrole and we'll see what happens. Then
then you know, they watch andlike she try to model what would be
the most sort of fantastic absurd twistsas they go along, and you know,
that was a good choice, Ithink for no one was expecting it.
No, I mean Justin Justin.I'm jealous of Justin because Justin watched
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it years after it started and bingedit and binged a lot of the years,
whereas I was watching in real time, and I remember sitting in front
of the TV and going, whatlike there were at that point there was
one other I guess in twenty fourthere mid maybe one or two other big
twists that you went, oh,didn't see that coming. This was the
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next one. And this was thefirst one of the season for me because
it was like, did not seethat coming from a mile a mile away?
Which is why I love twenty fourtotally. Absolutely. Yeah. I
found I found she was so likebanal and the character was so I don't
know, just just a spoiled,rich girl. And I feel like those
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kinds of girls whish that's how sheappeared to be initially, right, those
kind of girls kind of shut down, you know, it's not very you
don't really want to hang out withthem. Too long on screen. You're
just like, oh, you know, I don't want to be in the
same room as but the So that'sanother I think thing that was surprising about
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it. Yeah, I mean lotslots surprising. There was a private investigator
involved, there's all kinds of stuff. Yeah, and you turn out to
be the one with the with thegolden gun, so to speak. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I mean wetalked to Bob Coppran and he said,
the initial plan for twenty four wasthat it would be a wedding.
Yeah, because the urgency of awedding and the kind of the the retless
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nature of it. And but thatjust didn't work for the first season.
But I said, man, thatyou guys worked it into the beginning of
the second season. That's right,because it's all about the wedding. And
again, your Marie was all about, as you said, that character about
this is all about me, thisis the planning, this is yeah,
you know you're going to ruin mywedding. Don't ruin my wedding and you
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and again it's that had us goingthat, man, this is she is
so concerned about anybody messing up thiswedding, and it's this is her day.
I love your generous take on it. I prefer that I'm gonna I'm
going to say that from that one, I was watching it in real time.
Man, That's that's where I was. Hey for years of DJ weddings.
I used to DJ weddings, andmy rule was, as long as
the bride is happy, nothing elsematters, Nothing else matters. It worked,
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It works in real life, I'msure. Yeah. The amount of
energy they must generate that just sortof spills over everything else. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly. Butyou again, you were the bride who
was trying to, you know,run and chaotically plan this wedding, and
so you had us thrown them.This was what it was all about.
Little did we know? At whatpoint did you find out what the real
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story was? When I read thescripts. When the script came in,
I think I was in my trailerand they sort of deliver, you know,
not back, here's your new scripts? What what? What? What?
Yeah? It was so cool andyeah it was a blast. I
mean you but a gift to beable to just sort of have that much
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fun and get tortured and learn afew words of Arabic and wear wigs,
you know, where wigs, thewhole deal. Yeah, they give me
a wigs so nice it did youwanted to get out of there? I
mean you, Marie wanted to getas far away from there as possible.
That was the twist of the season. And and if I remember correctly,
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I think there was like a sixweek break at that point, because that
was in the early seasons. Theywould take like five or six weeks off,
and so you're you're sitting in frontof the TV and you're going,
I gotta wait a month to findout what you served that to be cold,
and then boom, she was soyeah. I know we can never
go back, but I love that. I love having to wait. It's
(05:59):
such a yes, it feels soquaint now, but I love having I
agree. I agree the anticipation andyou know everything about it, justin justin.
Do you remember the moment of thereveal though I do. Yes,
I was shot, the agent getsshot. They're sitting there and they're saying,
I think you might know who knowsand he's down, and I know
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we said we wouldn't get specific,but I would like to talk about the
tear. There was. There wasa tear in your eye because Rays is
standing there and he's going, whatwhat are you doing? What's going on?
And there was there was enough ofa tear to say there's still there's
still a human in there. Well, I think I loved him. I
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think I loved him. Yeah,that tear was true love. That was
true love with the true love witha bullet. It was just inconvenient timing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah this couldhave we could have worked this out
in another circule stances. But yeah, I do remember Rodney the DP.
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He he gave me a great becausethere was sort of that there was a
great shot because it went like fromthe face like a zoom shot to like
you know the gun firing rate themiddle of his forehead right and that you
know, it took a bit ofIt was a great idea, but it
certainly had to be done properly.In the and Riding gave me a great
tip which was which is totally criticaland I would pass it on to anyone
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else coming to do that shot,which is that like I was blinking too
much and to keep your eyes basically, like if you're ever in a in
one of those moments where it's likea stand off and you're having to do
an intense scene with like timing andI'll just stare, never close your eyes,
your eyes open, and so frankly, you know, he's probably the
reason why that tear fell, becauseif you keep your eyes open that long,
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you're gonna get a couple of juicytears going on just just at the
right time too. Yeah, sothat was It's heartbreaking and extremely effective.
Yeah, exactly, I'm sorry itwasn't masterful acting. It was Rodney's great
tip. You don't have to tellus otherwise we'll remain ignorant on that for
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sure. Oh that was good.What was what was the thrill of becoming
that character? Well, the topicwas very just in the news and very
much on everyone's minds and hearts inthat time. So it was really interesting
doing a show that was like soyou know, I would go to the
grocery store and stuff and people wouldlike call me evil or like, you
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know, there was just like alot of interaction around like the political heightened
topic that was really you Yeah,and of course they do that with any
character. It doesn't have to beabout a political topic. But I kind
of I was feeling and thinking aboutit more because of that. I think
so that made it really interesting andkind of fragile or you know, like
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the topical nature of it, andthen and being able to of immerse in
that was interesting at the time whenit was so when everything was so fraught
around all the racism happening and justreally intense scene. So that's a rare
that's a rare thing, I think, to be involved in something that's so
topical and then also so fast.You know, like it's not like one
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movie that's sort of involved in it. It's like a it's like as it
Happens television, which is really reflectingwhat was really happening in the world.
Yeah. Yeah, I think sometimesI may be wrong, like these are
the kind of thing I'm not greatremembering, but like they had to sort
of alter the script so that itwasn't as accurate as like what was going
on in real life. It wasso it was so tense and tender,
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so that was interesting. And thenof course, you know, Keefer is
like just an epic human being andhe's he's such a beautiful person to learn
from just in terms of acting andproducing and being a being an on set
leader. And I'd never worked withanyone who worked that hard that many hours,
(10:00):
so like just like a robot,but then just this gift of emotion
and you know, like that combinationis is just I don't he really blew
my mind? So you say youdon't. You don't meet many people like
that in the business. Yeah.No, they can sustain that kind of
output and keep it that excellent.I mean, that's just remarkable. Yeah,
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and he really did. So thatwas another standout sort of like takeaway.
You know, it's something I keepin my heart about that experience.
And then the other thing I wouldsay is Sarah. She was you know,
I was never really a girly girl, and I was quite young when
I did that project, and Idon't think I'd ever had like a facial
or a manicure or a pedicure.She was like, you know, she
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found this out. She was likea she just like took me in hand
older sistered me like I had.I had a facial for the first time
of my life with you, Sothat was all completely new. You know.
I didn't really think about beauty inthat way. And she was like,
on girl, no, no,no, no, let's just let's
just handle this problem. I'm gonnabe I'm going to be your big sister.
It was beautiful. She was reallylovely too. That's wow, amazing,
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amazing. I mean, Justin andI are both Canadian and take we
take special pride with thinke special pridewhen you know Keifer is and when we
hear these things about Keifer being,you know, being the type of person
that he is. And uh,and to have you know, more Canadians
on the show is certainly extremely importantto us. That's true. And I
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also have to give a shout outto John Kassar. He's extraordinary. What
a gift of a human being.I remember him very fondly as well.
To find Canadian, Yeah, Iknow, that's any think of it,
that's a maybe think of it.What was your experience like working with you
know, the writers like Joel andBob and and Howard. How how was
your how'd you like that part oftwenty four? Yeah? I mean they
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were They work so hard. Imean they're working round the clock to keep
it like fresh and happening and allthat stuff. So I didn't really have
that much interaction with them, Idon't think. And when we when we
did see each other, it wasalways lovely and it was you could just
tell they were like writing as theywalked down the hallway. Yes, you
know, they were like writing intheir brains, and you were you didn't
want to disturb them, so yeah, but they were lovely. That's that's
(12:16):
what we keep hearing. The writingwas happening, you know, up to
the day of up up until themoment of totally how you're going to do
it? For sure? Absolutely,this is also wasn't the first time you've
been involved in a big plot twistthat surprised an audience. I remember seeing
the faculty in the theater. Thatwas a nice twist. I think there's
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something about you know, like theblonde, blue eyed sort of no one,
you know, just like generic nobodysuspects you. Yeah, yeah,
And there's all these ideas that wehave about what that means. And then
and then they just saw maybe aglimpse of intelligence in me that was enough
that you would believe that it wouldbecome the truly evil person. I always
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think there must be something, youknow, because I get I think I
got cast for that a lot likeappearing right, becoming you could do no
wrong kind of thing. Yeah,I mean, this is how naive I
was. I had seen the faculty. I knew how that ended, and
I was still surprised when Marie,there's no excuse for me, my goodness,
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Yes, but no, that wasthat was another great reveal. That's
one of those that's certainly one ofthose films that people that are in the
know will talk about. And andthat twist at the end was so cool.
It was just you know, Iremember again, I love the thrill
of not knowing what's happening next.And yeah, you were a part of
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that and other projects for me aswell. So thank you very much for
that, and thanks for being Canadian. Oh, I thank you guys for
being Canadian. You know, wedon't hear that very often, but you
know, it's nice to be Wehear sorry a lot, we hear sorry,
but we don't hear thigs. I'mso relieved. I recently moved back
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to Canada, and I'm so relievedto just be able to say sorry as
much as I want with no apologyand not having so that it doesn't mean
anything than what it means. Youknow, like you can't you have to
sort of like wean that out ofyour language. When you're in the States,
people really do take it as extremelypassive as opposed to sort of polite
the right, and that can beproblematic. It's appreciate, It's appreciated here.
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Oh, it's just like a warmbath. I'm so happy. What's
on your plate these days? Wellbesides just like COVID being you know,
a nightmare mastermind of all the thingsthat it is. The Yeah, a
while back, I I left actingto go to college. I got a
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scholarship to to Berkeley and I tookI completely pivoted and took socially college amazing
systems design. Thank you. Yeah, I think I think I was about
thirty four, and I started workingon humane farms and doing so, doing
a bunch of social ecology work andfood justice work. And then I got
(15:15):
I got tapped out of there beforeI finished the degree to go work in
tech. So I started. Iworked in tech for like eight years until
I moved back to Canada last year. Wow. Yeah, the pivot,
that's great. It really was surprising. Yeah, so, and it was
like the most incredible experience. Itwas just out of nowhere to be able
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to do that. And of courseI had my daughter in that time,
and that was that was a realgift. But at the time, we
didn't have the phrase for it.But now there's this phrase going around called
humane tech. Yes. Yes,and we were definitely in that world and
the forefront of that. Yeah.And you know, trying to create something
that actually helps us instead of hurtsus and helped people connect instead of you
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know, sort of become a zombieto the algorithms. Yeah. What what
field that changed for you? Well, it's just I didn't I didn't take
lightly that someone would give me ajob offer it like in admitt like in
my thirties for totally and I'd workfor thirty years as an actor and I
was just so it's when that jobcame it felt like a miracle. I
think I might have gone into likesystems design or something else, but the
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job offer just made me pivot.And then the place I was so lucky
to be sort of it was justa beautiful uh like the place that and
the topic I was very interested in. I've always been a little bit like
when I when I use these software, is I feel used? Like I
don't think I think I'm too gulibleof human being to use these effectively.
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Some everyone else must be using themin these great productive wrays that I don't
understand. But it turns out,you know, there's no neutrality there.
They appear in neutral, but they'renot so so that feeling. You know,
other people like the engineers I wasworking with completely you know, they
were trying to create things and thinkingabout that way back then, like people
do, early Internet users who sawwhat had become of the Internet, and
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we're concerned, right, yes.And I got to work, you know,
really closely with some of those peopleand we so it was super fun
and very experimental, and I rana film team and our focus was really
sort of helping people hear each other. Wow. See in my in my
other life, I was a lawyer, but then I moved into public speaking.
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So I have a company where Iin pre covid, I would travel
to schools and businesses and talk aboutsocial media safety and the idea of being
careful of how you're treating each other, being careful of you know, the
way you're using the Internet. Yeah, and it's extremely fulfilling. I've I've
shifted it in the fall, I'mgoing to go completely online with it.
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But I find I found each eachopportunity to encourage a school full of students
to say be kindat each other.Well like this, you know, don't
don't just qualify yourself from getting ajob because it's something you said when you
were fifteen, and it sounds likeyou enjoyed what you what you've been doing
in the same way that I enjoyedthat as well. Yeah, that's incredible
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work. Because the Internet can beused badly, I mean not just it
is being used bad yeah, yeah, and we're being used badly, yes
and so and so we have tosort of not even self advocate. I
think now there's enough people that feelthat feeling that are like, that's why
the that Netflix movie Social Dilemma wasso everythink like one hundred million people watch
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that movie. That's an insane number. Yes, it was. It was
encouraging that people that many people watchedit. Yeah. I think that just
comes from that feeling is like,yeah, it feels sicky, something feels
sicky. Yeah yeah, yeah.And documentaries don'tusually get that kind of an
audience, not at all. Imean, nothing gets that. It's a
super Bowl, it doesn't get thatkind of exactly. The Oscars didn't even
get that thing. Yeah, No, it's that is fascinating. What a
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cool pivot into something that again you'repassionate about totally. I think I think
the common ground is acting. WhatI loved about acting, being a serious
introvert is was was just listening.Like when it's done it it's best for
me. It's like when you're reallylistening to each other in this sort of
totally alternate reality, like you're reallyhearing each other in your character. And
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so yeah, like active listening hasbecome an obsession, I see. I
mean it creates peace. It's utterlyunbelievable. Just people who could never ever
ever get along if they're able tojust actually actively like you know, they
do a little bit of listening trainingand really and sit down and try to
like apply it. It's crazy.It's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's
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like it changes. It's like literallyif we could my secret private project,
which I'm scared, I don't knowif I can say it that, but
I think I want to. Iwant to create a curriculum where it's like
general curriculum for K three through gradeto eight or so, Wow, the
kids just learned to act actively listen, and it's like as as like taken
for granted, as learning to reador or public speak or anything else that
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we do. There's a lot ofattention on you know, your timing is
is pretty on for that. Mywife is downstairs teaching a class online because
that's where we're at in Ontario andthe need for active listening has probably never
been more necessary than when you're tryingto corral a group of students online and
keep them engaged. Oh yeah,I mean while they're playing video games and
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everything else is you know, everything'sout to Yeah, you know Netflix is
on somewhere and yeah, yeah,act boy. I love that idea.
I would apply that curriculum in myin my teaching, because active listening has
become a lost a lost art.Yeah, if it even ever was,
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you know, really applied to be. I think I think the key thing
is the really young kids, becauseby the time you get them trying to
get into high school and you're likelisten, they're like fuck you, Like
whatever, it has to be inthat subconscious growing that the ABC stage.
Yeah yeah. And then and thenhopefully that will impact the parents as well,
and then world peace guys. Greatexactly. Well, I mean I
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mean I want to see that curriculum. I hope I would encourage you to
do that. Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm in it right now.
That's what. That's what. That'swhere I spend my time when I'm not
with my daughter. So awesome.So in the last eight years and nine
years, have you had people thatwalk up to you and and kind of
hesitantly said are you? Are youtotally well? Actually, there's a funny
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anecdote from school when I went toWhen I went to college, I mean
I was a thirty four year old. I took the SATs with you know,
thousands of with the seventeen thousands ofseventeen year olds in Tribecca, and
it's amazing. I I passed.I studied hard. That did not happen
as a fluke. I studied veryhard, for you, and when I
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actually went to class and so,like, I didn't have any idea.
I was very naive and clueless aboutlike the level of attention that sort of
and study that there was in academia. There was one television and in film.
I'm embarrassed to say so. Oneof the classes I was in was
a writing class that was about televisionseriality. And I looked at the class,
you know, I sat down inthe first class, and I look
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at the list of shows that weregoing to study. Twenty four was on
it, and it was like alist of maybe I don't know, ten
to twelve shows, maybe maybe eightto ten shows. And it was like,
holy shit, I've either been onthese shows or like there's one degree
of separation, like the creator onthe last show I worked with created this
show, or you know. AndI was in shock. And the prof
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when I left the classroom, hewas like, you seemed as shocked to
see that list as I was tosee you in this class. And I
was like, yeah, I hadno idea. So that was a really
that was a real week up call. And you know just how much how
you know you can use just oneepisode as an object to really like to
(23:12):
explore the world. Yeah, butI mean you've got the X Files,
You've got there's so many different thingsthat that you've been a part of that
we're probably on that list. That'strue. That's true. And was the
prof thrilled to have you in theclass. He was very supportive. He
had a lot of work to dobecause I was, you know, I'm
coming in old, so he was, you know, I gotta say I
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teach what a lot of courses Iteach now at the college our second careers
and so it's it is. Ido a course called Back to School Strategies
right off the bat, because whenit's been you know, a couple of
years since you've been out of school, it's you know, it's it's getting
back into that mode. But Iwork all year with people who were in
their second careers or third careers,and it's exciting again. I find the
(23:59):
same. That's that's kept me busy. But it certainly is awesome to see
somebody say, you know what,I want to do this now and I
want to become this, and it'sit's the hardest thing to do in so
many ways, but I applaud youfor doing that. Yeah, I think
going back, I mean I'd neverbeen, and to me it was just
a gift. I'm like, waita minute. You get to just you
get to come to a place forall you have to do is learn and
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then and they teach you amazing shitlike yeah, this is heaven on earth,
Like I can't believe. And you'reactually forced to do it, like
you're not. You can't. Ican't pretend like I have to do it.
I was just in Heaven. Imean I cried the first few days
walking onto campus. I was like, there were tears in my eye.
I was like embarrassing, like Ireally would. It was sad. So,
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yeah, I don't be embarrassed.That's awesome. Don't be embarrassed.
That's that's it's it's a big step. It's a big step, but it's
it's I see so many people thatare excited and just just exact what you
describe to be back on campus orto be on campus for the first time
in their lives and be doing somethingthat is different than what they've done for
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the last ten fifteen years. That'sbeautiful. What are you teaching them?
I teach. So I teach alot of people that are moving into the
hospitality industry. So I teach dealingwith difficult people, some customer service,
and a lot of life skills.Cultural awareness is a big one. I
usually start with that one. Yeah, And like I said, back to
school strategies, how to get backinto the mode of school. Wow.
(25:32):
So the listening stuff, really,I mean I can't imagine that, really,
I can't. It's so clear tome. And did you guys see
the the it was on Twitter ScottSeiss, No, I'll send it to
you guys. It's very funny.He's like an employee at Ikia and he's
like talking to hard customers, Okay, and it's pretty funny. I love
that stuff. Yeah, I useit in class all the time. It's
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really good. Cool. Well,we talked about one of the things you
mentioned was that when people come upto you and they were upset with you,
you know, because they thought youwere really Marine Warner in real life.
But is there is there a memorable, like a good fan interaction that
you experienced that stands out. Imean, you did talk about the prof
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a minute ago, which is great. Yeah, for twenty four they were
all I would call them all good, even if they were like unimpressed,
you know. I was like,yes, they don't like me. I
did my job. Yeah. Butthe real standout, I mean, I'm
not to bring in another project,but you mentioned it was Sarah at the
(26:40):
top that I had a standout moment. I was on like a dance club
floor at some like really sweet bands, Like we were just like dancing out,
really having a good time, andthis young girl came up to me.
She was like, oh my god, daisyer Dare. Yeah, Hi,
(27:00):
Hi. She's like, we're bothjust dancing. She's like, I
rode my fasis on you, andI was like, oh my god.
Really yeah, so that was avery how cool as you. Yeah,
I actually I live in Windsor,so I'm right on the border of Detroit.
Oh cool. And I had togo to Detroit to buy the set.
(27:22):
So I own both seasons plus themovie. But I had to buy
them in Detroit because I couldn't findthem in Canada at all at the time.
Yeah, that's so strange, howthere's this cross border. I sometimes
when I like, I can't evenget a book. Yeah, it's such
a weird, such a weird thing. It is very strange. Like I
have a po box in Detroit,but I have been able to access it
for a year. Oh my god. And I get four times the price
(27:45):
on shipping, and that usually discouragesme from ordering whatever I'm going to order.
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah,I remember going to a store in
Detroit and by buying both seasons becauseI love that series. Absolutely. It
was nothing like it. There wasnothing like it on TV. It was
unusual. Yeah, it had amoment. How did you how did you
wind up on that one same thing, just auditioning my butt. It was
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just a working actor auditioning my butterawesome persistence. Yeah, yeah, and
luck also, I mean, like, you know a lot of luck.
Well, I want to go backto the one scene which I loved as
well, was when when Bob Warnerand Kate come in to see you in
the cell. Oh what what wasgoing on in your head during that scene?
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If you remember, Oh gosh,you know, that was a very
easy scene I did. I did. All I had to do was just
like sort of hate them and notthat I hated, but no, and
do nothing except look evil, whichof course comes very easily. Yeah,
there wasn't much. I would saythat. The scene that really stood out
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for me was the torture scene withKief, like you know, the it
because we did because it took youknow, obviously we had way more time
with it, and he is justso fun to get that close. We
like to act that closely with,right, right, So yeah, that
was that was a joy. That'slike in my body somewhere as well.
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Yeah. The not many people thathave that confrontation are alive to date.
Do you do you have an ideawhere where Murray is right now? No,
I think she wanted She might beone of the last last men standing
is I think everyone else is deadexcept her. We've thrown out the idea
of doing it. They do ashow called twenty four Loose Ends and have
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have all the loose ends get togetherand you know, stand up to Jack.
That's so funny, or just likemake it a comedy. Yes,
yes, like an eight sitcom roommates. I like that, I do better.
I like that each other. Yeah, we found each other. If
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that sick coup came up, wouldyou would you come out of retirement?
Oh my god, what a dream? I mean, yeah, I am.
I started this year, so Imay committed. Yeah, I mean
we we hear rumblings and like Isaid, there's not many that are still
around in the the twenty four universethat that survived, you know, certainly
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facing Jack Bauer. Oh my god, are you kidding? I would do
I would do anything that. Everyone'ssuch a joy. Yeah, okay it.
Yeah, we're as fans were tryingto push it through a little bit
and get it done. The reasonspart of the reasons we're doing the podcast.
Awesome, Well, Laura, weare so grateful that you took today
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to hang out with us and youshared some really awesome stories in a total
pleasure and where you've gone since then. So yeah, thank you very much,
thank you for thank you for askingme. It was a pleasure.
Thank you. Absolutely, we're talkingto both Warner sisters now. This is
great. Yes, I'm gonna texther right now. Do you think you're
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the good Warner? Maybe the lastquestion? No, I can't lie that
badly. I mean, come on, awesome. Well, thank you very
much, thank you too much.Typical barrister
Okay, today we're back on twentyyears of twenty four with Laura Harris.
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We welcome you to the podcast.Thanks today. You might remember her from
twenty four season two as Marie Warner. He started off as a one and
then she transformed into the bad one. We found out she was working with
Sietta Lee Harris and season two,so she was a great memorable character on
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the show. So let's start offand on how did you get involved with
twenty four and what was your experiencelike playing Marie Warner. Hi, Yeah,
gosh, I do have to reachfar back into the into the other
gives. I think I just auditioned, and if I remember correctly, there
were only like two lines in theaudition, which is sort of a strange
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way to wow to make a mark, you know, But thankfully they those
two lines worked, what they didwhat they needed to do. Yeah,
and then we and you know,of course, I'm sure you guys know
that the actors have no idea,or most of them have no idea what's
going to happen to their characters.So yeah, I just was like,
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oh, it's like a small supportingrole and we'll see what happens. Then
then you know, they watch andlike she try to model what would be
the most sort of fantastic absurd twistsas they go along, and you know,
that was a good choice, Ithink for no one was expecting it.
No, I mean Justin Justin.I'm jealous of Justin because Justin watched
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it years after it started and bingedit and binged a lot of the years,
whereas I was watching in real time, and I remember sitting in front
of the TV and going, whatlike there were at that point there was
one other I guess in twenty fourthere mid maybe one or two other big
twists that you went, oh,didn't see that coming. This was the
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next one. And this was thefirst one of the season for me because
it was like, did not seethat coming from a mile a mile away?
Which is why I love twenty fourtotally. Absolutely. Yeah. I
found I found she was so likebanal and the character was so I don't
know, just just a spoiled,rich girl. And I feel like those
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kinds of girls whish that's how sheappeared to be initially, right, those
kind of girls kind of shut down, you know, it's not very you
don't really want to hang out withthem. Too long on screen. You're
just like, oh, you know, I don't want to be in the
same room as but the So that'sanother I think thing that was surprising about
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it. Yeah, I mean lotslots surprising. There was a private investigator
involved, there's all kinds of stuff. Yeah, and you turn out to
be the one with the with thegolden gun, so to speak. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I mean wetalked to Bob Coppran and he said,
the initial plan for twenty four wasthat it would be a wedding.
Yeah, because the urgency of awedding and the kind of the the retless
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nature of it. And but thatjust didn't work for the first season.
But I said, man, thatyou guys worked it into the beginning of
the second season. That's right,because it's all about the wedding. And
again, your Marie was all about, as you said, that character about
this is all about me, thisis the planning, this is yeah,
you know you're going to ruin mywedding. Don't ruin my wedding and you
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and again it's that had us goingthat, man, this is she is
so concerned about anybody messing up thiswedding, and it's this is her day.
I love your generous take on it. I prefer that I'm gonna I'm
going to say that from that one, I was watching it in real time.
Man, That's that's where I was. Hey for years of DJ weddings.
I used to DJ weddings, andmy rule was, as long as
the bride is happy, nothing elsematters, Nothing else matters. It worked,
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It works in real life, I'msure. Yeah. The amount of
energy they must generate that just sortof spills over everything else. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly. Butyou again, you were the bride who
was trying to, you know,run and chaotically plan this wedding, and
so you had us thrown them.This was what it was all about.
Little did we know? At whatpoint did you find out what the real
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story was? When I read thescripts. When the script came in,
I think I was in my trailerand they sort of deliver, you know,
not back, here's your new scripts? What what? What? What?
Yeah? It was so cool andyeah it was a blast. I
mean you but a gift to beable to just sort of have that much
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fun and get tortured and learn afew words of Arabic and wear wigs,
you know, where wigs, thewhole deal. Yeah, they give me
a wigs so nice it did youwanted to get out of there? I
mean you, Marie wanted to getas far away from there as possible.
That was the twist of the season. And and if I remember correctly,
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I think there was like a sixweek break at that point, because that
was in the early seasons. Theywould take like five or six weeks off,
and so you're you're sitting in frontof the TV and you're going,
I gotta wait a month to findout what you served that to be cold,
and then boom, she was soyeah. I know we can never
go back, but I love that. I love having to wait. It's
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such a yes, it feels soquaint now, but I love having I
agree. I agree the anticipation andyou know everything about it, justin justin.
Do you remember the moment of thereveal though I do. Yes,
I was shot, the agent getsshot. They're sitting there and they're saying,
I think you might know who knowsand he's down, and I know
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we said we wouldn't get specific,but I would like to talk about the
tear. There was. There wasa tear in your eye because Rays is
standing there and he's going, whatwhat are you doing? What's going on?
And there was there was enough ofa tear to say there's still there's
still a human in there. Well, I think I loved him. I
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think I loved him. Yeah,that tear was true love. That was
true love with the true love witha bullet. It was just inconvenient timing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah this couldhave we could have worked this out
in another circule stances. But yeah, I do remember Rodney the DP.
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He he gave me a great becausethere was sort of that there was a
great shot because it went like fromthe face like a zoom shot to like
you know the gun firing rate themiddle of his forehead right and that you
know, it took a bit ofIt was a great idea, but it
certainly had to be done properly.In the and Riding gave me a great
tip which was which is totally criticaland I would pass it on to anyone
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else coming to do that shot,which is that like I was blinking too
much and to keep your eyes basically, like if you're ever in a in
one of those moments where it's likea stand off and you're having to do
an intense scene with like timing andI'll just stare, never close your eyes,
your eyes open, and so frankly, you know, he's probably the
reason why that tear fell, becauseif you keep your eyes open that long,
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you're gonna get a couple of juicytears going on just just at the
right time too. Yeah, sothat was It's heartbreaking and extremely effective.
Yeah, exactly, I'm sorry itwasn't masterful acting. It was Rodney's great
tip. You don't have to tellus otherwise we'll remain ignorant on that for
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sure. Oh that was good.What was what was the thrill of becoming
that character? Well, the topicwas very just in the news and very
much on everyone's minds and hearts inthat time. So it was really interesting
doing a show that was like soyou know, I would go to the
grocery store and stuff and people wouldlike call me evil or like, you
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know, there was just like alot of interaction around like the political heightened
topic that was really you Yeah,and of course they do that with any
character. It doesn't have to beabout a political topic. But I kind
of I was feeling and thinking aboutit more because of that. I think
so that made it really interesting andkind of fragile or you know, like
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the topical nature of it, andthen and being able to of immerse in
that was interesting at the time whenit was so when everything was so fraught
around all the racism happening and justreally intense scene. So that's a rare
that's a rare thing, I think, to be involved in something that's so
topical and then also so fast.You know, like it's not like one
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movie that's sort of involved in it. It's like a it's like as it
Happens television, which is really reflectingwhat was really happening in the world.
Yeah. Yeah, I think sometimesI may be wrong, like these are
the kind of thing I'm not greatremembering, but like they had to sort
of alter the script so that itwasn't as accurate as like what was going
on in real life. It wasso it was so tense and tender,
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so that was interesting. And thenof course, you know, Keefer is
like just an epic human being andhe's he's such a beautiful person to learn
from just in terms of acting andproducing and being a being an on set
leader. And I'd never worked withanyone who worked that hard that many hours,
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so like just like a robot,but then just this gift of emotion
and you know, like that combinationis is just I don't he really blew
my mind? So you say youdon't. You don't meet many people like
that in the business. Yeah.No, they can sustain that kind of
output and keep it that excellent.I mean, that's just remarkable. Yeah,
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and he really did. So thatwas another standout sort of like takeaway.
You know, it's something I keepin my heart about that experience.
And then the other thing I wouldsay is Sarah. She was you know,
I was never really a girly girl, and I was quite young when
I did that project, and Idon't think I'd ever had like a facial
or a manicure or a pedicure.She was like, you know, she
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found this out. She was likea she just like took me in hand
older sistered me like I had.I had a facial for the first time
of my life with you, Sothat was all completely new. You know.
I didn't really think about beauty inthat way. And she was like,
on girl, no, no,no, no, let's just let's
just handle this problem. I'm gonnabe I'm going to be your big sister.
It was beautiful. She was reallylovely too. That's wow, amazing,
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amazing. I mean, Justin andI are both Canadian and take we
take special pride with thinke special pridewhen you know Keifer is and when we
hear these things about Keifer being,you know, being the type of person
that he is. And uh,and to have you know, more Canadians
on the show is certainly extremely importantto us. That's true. And I
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also have to give a shout outto John Kassar. He's extraordinary. What
a gift of a human being.I remember him very fondly as well.
To find Canadian, Yeah, Iknow, that's any think of it,
that's a maybe think of it.What was your experience like working with you
know, the writers like Joel andBob and and Howard. How how was
your how'd you like that part oftwenty four? Yeah? I mean they
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were They work so hard. Imean they're working round the clock to keep
it like fresh and happening and allthat stuff. So I didn't really have
that much interaction with them, Idon't think. And when we when we
did see each other, it wasalways lovely and it was you could just
tell they were like writing as theywalked down the hallway. Yes, you
know, they were like writing intheir brains, and you were you didn't
want to disturb them, so yeah, but they were lovely. That's that's
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what we keep hearing. The writingwas happening, you know, up to
the day of up up until themoment of totally how you're going to do
it? For sure? Absolutely,this is also wasn't the first time you've
been involved in a big plot twistthat surprised an audience. I remember seeing
the faculty in the theater. Thatwas a nice twist. I think there's
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something about you know, like theblonde, blue eyed sort of no one,
you know, just like generic nobodysuspects you. Yeah, yeah,
And there's all these ideas that wehave about what that means. And then
and then they just saw maybe aglimpse of intelligence in me that was enough
that you would believe that it wouldbecome the truly evil person. I always
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think there must be something, youknow, because I get I think I
got cast for that a lot likeappearing right, becoming you could do no
wrong kind of thing. Yeah,I mean, this is how naive I
was. I had seen the faculty. I knew how that ended, and
I was still surprised when Marie,there's no excuse for me, my goodness,
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Yes, but no, that wasthat was another great reveal. That's
one of those that's certainly one ofthose films that people that are in the
know will talk about. And andthat twist at the end was so cool.
It was just you know, Iremember again, I love the thrill
of not knowing what's happening next.And yeah, you were a part of
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that and other projects for me aswell. So thank you very much for
that, and thanks for being Canadian. Oh, I thank you guys for
being Canadian. You know, wedon't hear that very often, but you
know, it's nice to be Wehear sorry a lot, we hear sorry,
but we don't hear thigs. I'mso relieved. I recently moved back
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to Canada, and I'm so relievedto just be able to say sorry as
much as I want with no apologyand not having so that it doesn't mean
anything than what it means. Youknow, like you can't you have to
sort of like wean that out ofyour language. When you're in the States,
people really do take it as extremelypassive as opposed to sort of polite
the right, and that can beproblematic. It's appreciate, It's appreciated here.
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Oh, it's just like a warmbath. I'm so happy. What's
on your plate these days? Wellbesides just like COVID being you know,
a nightmare mastermind of all the thingsthat it is. The Yeah, a
while back, I I left actingto go to college. I got a
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scholarship to to Berkeley and I tookI completely pivoted and took socially college amazing
systems design. Thank you. Yeah, I think I think I was about
thirty four, and I started workingon humane farms and doing so, doing
a bunch of social ecology work andfood justice work. And then I got
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I got tapped out of there beforeI finished the degree to go work in
tech. So I started. Iworked in tech for like eight years until
I moved back to Canada last year. Wow. Yeah, the pivot,
that's great. It really was surprising. Yeah, so, and it was
like the most incredible experience. Itwas just out of nowhere to be able
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to do that. And of courseI had my daughter in that time,
and that was that was a realgift. But at the time, we
didn't have the phrase for it.But now there's this phrase going around called
humane tech. Yes. Yes,and we were definitely in that world and
the forefront of that. Yeah.And you know, trying to create something
that actually helps us instead of hurtsus and helped people connect instead of you
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know, sort of become a zombieto the algorithms. Yeah. What what
field that changed for you? Well, it's just I didn't I didn't take
lightly that someone would give me ajob offer it like in admitt like in
my thirties for totally and I'd workfor thirty years as an actor and I
was just so it's when that jobcame it felt like a miracle. I
think I might have gone into likesystems design or something else, but the
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job offer just made me pivot.And then the place I was so lucky
to be sort of it was justa beautiful uh like the place that and
the topic I was very interested in. I've always been a little bit like
when I when I use these software, is I feel used? Like I
don't think I think I'm too gulibleof human being to use these effectively.
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Some everyone else must be using themin these great productive wrays that I don't
understand. But it turns out,you know, there's no neutrality there.
They appear in neutral, but they'renot so so that feeling. You know,
other people like the engineers I wasworking with completely you know, they
were trying to create things and thinkingabout that way back then, like people
do, early Internet users who sawwhat had become of the Internet, and
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we're concerned, right, yes.And I got to work, you know,
really closely with some of those peopleand we so it was super fun
and very experimental, and I rana film team and our focus was really
sort of helping people hear each other. Wow. See in my in my
other life, I was a lawyer, but then I moved into public speaking.
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So I have a company where Iin pre covid, I would travel
to schools and businesses and talk aboutsocial media safety and the idea of being
careful of how you're treating each other, being careful of you know, the
way you're using the Internet. Yeah, and it's extremely fulfilling. I've I've
shifted it in the fall, I'mgoing to go completely online with it.
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But I find I found each eachopportunity to encourage a school full of students
to say be kindat each other.Well like this, you know, don't
don't just qualify yourself from getting ajob because it's something you said when you
were fifteen, and it sounds likeyou enjoyed what you what you've been doing
in the same way that I enjoyedthat as well. Yeah, that's incredible
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work. Because the Internet can beused badly, I mean not just it
is being used bad yeah, yeah, and we're being used badly, yes
and so and so we have tosort of not even self advocate. I
think now there's enough people that feelthat feeling that are like, that's why
the that Netflix movie Social Dilemma wasso everythink like one hundred million people watch
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that movie. That's an insane number. Yes, it was. It was
encouraging that people that many people watchedit. Yeah. I think that just
comes from that feeling is like,yeah, it feels sicky, something feels
sicky. Yeah yeah, yeah.And documentaries don'tusually get that kind of an
audience, not at all. Imean, nothing gets that. It's a
super Bowl, it doesn't get thatkind of exactly. The Oscars didn't even
get that thing. Yeah, No, it's that is fascinating. What a
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cool pivot into something that again you'repassionate about totally. I think I think
the common ground is acting. WhatI loved about acting, being a serious
introvert is was was just listening.Like when it's done it it's best for
me. It's like when you're reallylistening to each other in this sort of
totally alternate reality, like you're reallyhearing each other in your character. And
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so yeah, like active listening hasbecome an obsession, I see. I
mean it creates peace. It's utterlyunbelievable. Just people who could never ever
ever get along if they're able tojust actually actively like you know, they
do a little bit of listening trainingand really and sit down and try to
like apply it. It's crazy.It's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's
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like it changes. It's like literallyif we could my secret private project,
which I'm scared, I don't knowif I can say it that, but
I think I want to. Iwant to create a curriculum where it's like
general curriculum for K three through gradeto eight or so, Wow, the
kids just learned to act actively listen, and it's like as as like taken
for granted, as learning to reador or public speak or anything else that
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we do. There's a lot ofattention on you know, your timing is
is pretty on for that. Mywife is downstairs teaching a class online because
that's where we're at in Ontario andthe need for active listening has probably never
been more necessary than when you're tryingto corral a group of students online and
keep them engaged. Oh yeah,I mean while they're playing video games and
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everything else is you know, everything'sout to Yeah, you know Netflix is
on somewhere and yeah, yeah,act boy. I love that idea.
I would apply that curriculum in myin my teaching, because active listening has
become a lost a lost art.Yeah, if it even ever was,
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you know, really applied to be. I think I think the key thing
is the really young kids, becauseby the time you get them trying to
get into high school and you're likelisten, they're like fuck you, Like
whatever, it has to be inthat subconscious growing that the ABC stage.
Yeah yeah. And then and thenhopefully that will impact the parents as well,
and then world peace guys. Greatexactly. Well, I mean I
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mean I want to see that curriculum. I hope I would encourage you to
do that. Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm in it right now.
That's what. That's what. That'swhere I spend my time when I'm not
with my daughter. So awesome.So in the last eight years and nine
years, have you had people thatwalk up to you and and kind of
hesitantly said are you? Are youtotally well? Actually, there's a funny
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anecdote from school when I went toWhen I went to college, I mean
I was a thirty four year old. I took the SATs with you know,
thousands of with the seventeen thousands ofseventeen year olds in Tribecca, and
it's amazing. I I passed.I studied hard. That did not happen
as a fluke. I studied veryhard, for you, and when I
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actually went to class and so,like, I didn't have any idea.
I was very naive and clueless aboutlike the level of attention that sort of
and study that there was in academia. There was one television and in film.
I'm embarrassed to say so. Oneof the classes I was in was
a writing class that was about televisionseriality. And I looked at the class,
you know, I sat down inthe first class, and I look
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at the list of shows that weregoing to study. Twenty four was on
it, and it was like alist of maybe I don't know, ten
to twelve shows, maybe maybe eightto ten shows. And it was like,
holy shit, I've either been onthese shows or like there's one degree
of separation, like the creator onthe last show I worked with created this
show, or you know. AndI was in shock. And the prof
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when I left the classroom, hewas like, you seemed as shocked to
see that list as I was tosee you in this class. And I
was like, yeah, I hadno idea. So that was a really
that was a real week up call. And you know just how much how
you know you can use just oneepisode as an object to really like to
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explore the world. Yeah, butI mean you've got the X Files,
You've got there's so many different thingsthat that you've been a part of that
we're probably on that list. That'strue. That's true. And was the
prof thrilled to have you in theclass. He was very supportive. He
had a lot of work to dobecause I was, you know, I'm
coming in old, so he was, you know, I gotta say I
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teach what a lot of courses Iteach now at the college our second careers
and so it's it is. Ido a course called Back to School Strategies
right off the bat, because whenit's been you know, a couple of
years since you've been out of school, it's you know, it's it's getting
back into that mode. But Iwork all year with people who were in
their second careers or third careers,and it's exciting again. I find the
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same. That's that's kept me busy. But it certainly is awesome to see
somebody say, you know what,I want to do this now and I
want to become this, and it'sit's the hardest thing to do in so
many ways, but I applaud youfor doing that. Yeah, I think
going back, I mean I'd neverbeen, and to me it was just
a gift. I'm like, waita minute. You get to just you
get to come to a place forall you have to do is learn and
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then and they teach you amazing shitlike yeah, this is heaven on earth,
Like I can't believe. And you'reactually forced to do it, like
you're not. You can't. Ican't pretend like I have to do it.
I was just in Heaven. Imean I cried the first few days
walking onto campus. I was like, there were tears in my eye.
I was like embarrassing, like Ireally would. It was sad. So,
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yeah, I don't be embarrassed.That's awesome. Don't be embarrassed.
That's that's it's it's a big step. It's a big step, but it's
it's I see so many people thatare excited and just just exact what you
describe to be back on campus orto be on campus for the first time
in their lives and be doing somethingthat is different than what they've done for
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the last ten fifteen years. That'sbeautiful. What are you teaching them?
I teach. So I teach alot of people that are moving into the
hospitality industry. So I teach dealingwith difficult people, some customer service,
and a lot of life skills.Cultural awareness is a big one. I
usually start with that one. Yeah, And like I said, back to
school strategies, how to get backinto the mode of school. Wow.
(25:32):
So the listening stuff, really,I mean I can't imagine that, really,
I can't. It's so clear tome. And did you guys see
the the it was on Twitter ScottSeiss, No, I'll send it to
you guys. It's very funny.He's like an employee at Ikia and he's
like talking to hard customers, Okay, and it's pretty funny. I love
that stuff. Yeah, I useit in class all the time. It's
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really good. Cool. Well,we talked about one of the things you
mentioned was that when people come upto you and they were upset with you,
you know, because they thought youwere really Marine Warner in real life.
But is there is there a memorable, like a good fan interaction that
you experienced that stands out. Imean, you did talk about the prof
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a minute ago, which is great. Yeah, for twenty four they were
all I would call them all good, even if they were like unimpressed,
you know. I was like,yes, they don't like me. I
did my job. Yeah. Butthe real standout, I mean, I'm
not to bring in another project,but you mentioned it was Sarah at the
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top that I had a standout moment. I was on like a dance club
floor at some like really sweet bands, Like we were just like dancing out,
really having a good time, andthis young girl came up to me.
She was like, oh my god, daisyer Dare. Yeah, Hi,
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Hi. She's like, we're bothjust dancing. She's like, I
rode my fasis on you, andI was like, oh my god.
Really yeah, so that was avery how cool as you. Yeah,
I actually I live in Windsor,so I'm right on the border of Detroit.
Oh cool. And I had togo to Detroit to buy the set.
(27:22):
So I own both seasons plus themovie. But I had to buy
them in Detroit because I couldn't findthem in Canada at all at the time.
Yeah, that's so strange, howthere's this cross border. I sometimes
when I like, I can't evenget a book. Yeah, it's such
a weird, such a weird thing. It is very strange. Like I
have a po box in Detroit,but I have been able to access it
for a year. Oh my god. And I get four times the price
(27:45):
on shipping, and that usually discouragesme from ordering whatever I'm going to order.
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah,I remember going to a store in
Detroit and by buying both seasons becauseI love that series. Absolutely. It
was nothing like it. There wasnothing like it on TV. It was
unusual. Yeah, it had amoment. How did you how did you
wind up on that one same thing, just auditioning my butt. It was
(28:08):
just a working actor auditioning my butterawesome persistence. Yeah, yeah, and
luck also, I mean, like, you know a lot of luck.
Well, I want to go backto the one scene which I loved as
well, was when when Bob Warnerand Kate come in to see you in
the cell. Oh what what wasgoing on in your head during that scene?
(28:33):
If you remember, Oh gosh,you know, that was a very
easy scene I did. I did. All I had to do was just
like sort of hate them and notthat I hated, but no, and
do nothing except look evil, whichof course comes very easily. Yeah,
there wasn't much. I would saythat. The scene that really stood out
(28:56):
for me was the torture scene withKief, like you know, the it
because we did because it took youknow, obviously we had way more time
with it, and he is justso fun to get that close. We
like to act that closely with,right, right, So yeah, that
was that was a joy. That'slike in my body somewhere as well.
(29:18):
Yeah. The not many people thathave that confrontation are alive to date.
Do you do you have an ideawhere where Murray is right now? No,
I think she wanted She might beone of the last last men standing
is I think everyone else is deadexcept her. We've thrown out the idea
of doing it. They do ashow called twenty four Loose Ends and have
(29:42):
have all the loose ends get togetherand you know, stand up to Jack.
That's so funny, or just likemake it a comedy. Yes,
yes, like an eight sitcom roommates. I like that, I do better.
I like that each other. Yeah, we found each other. If
(30:03):
that sick coup came up, wouldyou would you come out of retirement?
Oh my god, what a dream? I mean, yeah, I am.
I started this year, so Imay committed. Yeah, I mean
we we hear rumblings and like Isaid, there's not many that are still
around in the the twenty four universethat that survived, you know, certainly
(30:26):
facing Jack Bauer. Oh my god, are you kidding? I would do
I would do anything that. Everyone'ssuch a joy. Yeah, okay it.
Yeah, we're as fans were tryingto push it through a little bit
and get it done. The reasonspart of the reasons we're doing the podcast.
Awesome, Well, Laura, weare so grateful that you took today
(30:48):
to hang out with us and youshared some really awesome stories in a total
pleasure and where you've gone since then. So yeah, thank you very much,
thank you for thank you for askingme. It was a pleasure.
Thank you. Absolutely, we're talkingto both Warner sisters now. This is
great. Yes, I'm gonna texther right now. Do you think you're
(31:10):
the good Warner? Maybe the lastquestion? No, I can't lie that
badly. I mean, come on, awesome. Well, thank you very
much, thank you too much.Typical barrister
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