March 1, 2023 • 45 mins
To paraphrase the iconic band that glorified tribute act Greta von Fleet claims they've never listened to, "It's been a long time since we talked 24." Gosh, we missed you.
For our Season 2 renewal, we needed a very special guest for a very special episode. Marisol Nichols exceeded all expectations and talked about how she thought 24 would never cast her, being the most unique Audrey Griswold, how she has moved into producing, and working with everyone from SNL's Chevy Chase and Chris Rock, the narrator of "Go The F To Sleep", Dick Van Dyke and the Molly Ringwald on Riverdale. We also delve into The Marisol Nichols Podcast and how she is using her gifts to help the authorities rescue people from sex trafficking.
You know, typical actor stuff.
Be sure to find Marisol Nichols and her Podcast here.
https://marisolnichols.com
Nadia Yassir Dossier
https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Nadia_Yassir
Riverdale on the CW
https://www.cwtv.com/shows/riverdale
Winter Spring Summer or Fall Movie Announcement
https://deadline.com/2023/02/jenna-ortega-movie-winter-spring-summer-or-fall-adds-marisol-nichols-1235262771
A new season needed a new theme:
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For our Season 2 renewal, we needed a very special guest for a very special episode. Marisol Nichols exceeded all expectations and talked about how she thought 24 would never cast her, being the most unique Audrey Griswold, how she has moved into producing, and working with everyone from SNL's Chevy Chase and Chris Rock, the narrator of "Go The F To Sleep", Dick Van Dyke and the Molly Ringwald on Riverdale. We also delve into The Marisol Nichols Podcast and how she is using her gifts to help the authorities rescue people from sex trafficking.
You know, typical actor stuff.
Be sure to find Marisol Nichols and her Podcast here.
https://marisolnichols.com
Nadia Yassir Dossier
https://24.fandom.com/wiki/Nadia_Yassir
Riverdale on the CW
https://www.cwtv.com/shows/riverdale
Winter Spring Summer or Fall Movie Announcement
https://deadline.com/2023/02/jenna-ortega-movie-winter-spring-summer-or-fall-adds-marisol-nichols-1235262771
A new season needed a new theme:
Download Wrecks - Leaderdogs For The Blind
https://leaderdogsfortheblind.bandcamp.com/track/wrecks
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The following takes place between five pmand six pm Standard Eastern town. Okay,
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we are back. I don't knowif we should still call ourselves twenty
years of twenty four because now we'reon year twenty two arguably, but right,
we'll call ourselves twenty years of twentyfour for now until we come up
with something a little snappier. Myname is Ryan. This is justin.
We are back talking twenty four andI gotta say this season six I believe
is winning on our podcast because Ithink we had the most representative Now that
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you've joined us, Marison Nichols ishere with us, played Nadia Jasah on
twenty four, and I think withyou joining us now, I think you
have taken us over the top.So that season six now has the most
guests from that season. We hadJames Morrison, we had Carlo Roda has
been on. Keifer of course wason. So I was doing the numbers
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today and actually our second guest wasEric belfour. Well I'm sure I was
gonna ask Eric, Yeah, yeah, he was guest number two. So
so yeah, I'm sure we're goingto talk about Eric at some point today.
But yeah, I think I thinkyou have declared season six the winner
of the number. I love that, so congratulations than congratulations. So I
think what we'll do again? AsI mentioned a minute ago, Marison Nichols
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is here with us, joining usto talk about twenty four and some of
the projects he's got on the go, the whole history. I gotta admit
I literally just finished watching the finaleof The Gates about ten minutes ago.
I wanted to watch it again becauseit was such a great ender, like
as there should have been a secondseason. I've been a stand on I
love for sure, but that endingwas really really cool that it left you
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on it. It left you ona great cliffhanger, and it went well.
We were supposed to come back.They should have made a better decision.
They should have made a better decision. So so what we'll do is
we'll start with twenty four and thenwe'll spiral our way through the conversation.
Spiral, spiral. I love that. Thank you, it's good. It
took me a second. Welcome toour podcast. Thank you this evening.
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The first question we always like tostart off with our guests is how'd you
get involved with twenty four? Ihad been doing it was a really nice
time in my career because I've beendoing like back to back series. I
went from like a series called BlindJustice to a series called Injustice to and
twenty four came along and I hadalready auditioned for them three times and they
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never hired me. So I think, after, do you remember what roles
they were that you didn't? Idon't. It's okay because I auditioned a
lot back then. It was likeit was the heyday of Hollywood. There's
tons and tons of auditions, right, But I remember auditions a few times
for you know, for a seriesof regular role and they never hired me.
And so I just remember my managercalled me and was like, hey,
they want you to audition for twentyfour. I'm like, I'm not
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going. They never hired me.I like me over there. He's like,
you're going, Like I don't wantto go, It's like you're going.
So I'm like all right, AndI went and I was the only
person there and I didn't understand why, and I thought like maybe I was
late or something. Anyway, Ifound out later John Cassar told me that
they wanted me anyway, they werejust trying to find a good role.
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Yes, so I was glad thatI went, and then there you go.
And then my goal was just tonot be killed right after I got
there, which was everybody's goal onthat show exactly, not to get that
call exactly. We've heard about theinfamous call, and nobody wanted to get
that call. If you don't wantthat call's what's really interesting too, of
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what you said, and let meknow if this is you've your experience with
auditioning and everything else. My friendof mine is one of the casting directors
for The Boldenful m HM and herI did an interview with her a couple
of years ago. She said,if we keep calling you back, it's
because we're trying to find a fit. Like if we don't want if we
don't want you, we're not gonnaWe're not going to call you back at
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all. Is that that ring true? Totally true, just as the actor
you wasting your time and gets alittle tiring after no, no, no,
no, no, right, yeah, you know what I mean.
But I also know a lot morenow than I did back then. So
now in hindsight, I'm like,well, yeah, of course you go,
But back then I was I didn'tI really didn't know much. How
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long was it before you found outthat John and the team was trying to
find something that would fit you?Oh? Probably when I got on set,
okay, and I and I toldhim the story. I was like,
I wasn't even going to come in, you know that, right?
And he's like, no, wewanted you the whole time. We're just
trying to find a role for it, like you did. Why why don't
they tell the actress? That iswhat I want to know? Just tell
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us, you know, well whathappened. For some reason, there's like
this unspoken rule in Holly where weyou keep stuff from the actor and it's
the weirdest thing ever. It makesno sense, Like, just tell us
it's a game, right, Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. You were
on all of season six twenty fourepisodes in two thousand and seven. What
were your Did you have any favoritemoments or highlights of working on twenty four
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for that season? There were twohighlights kind of almost off screen, if
that helps, if that's okay.But first of all, my first day
was literally they just won the GoldenGlobe, and I think they were all
like, like it was literally thenext day that we started work. I
walk on set and there was theEmmy. It was the Emmy actually,
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and there's the Emmy like and they'reall just like so excited, and I
was like, I can't believe Iget to join this show this season.
So that was that was a reallybig highlight. Number two was going to
the Golden Globes as they as atwenty four cast member. And basically,
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I don't drink it. I didn'tdrink back then. I drink once in
a while right now, it's notthat big of a deal. But I
wasn't really drinking back then. AndKiefer as I'm sure you've heard, really
liked to drink and he can holdit work in the whole and so hanging
out with him the whole night,it was me, him, Sean the
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arm music guy, and John Gasarand then eventually Kim Radio came off over
as well, and just like watchinghim drink all night, hang out at
the time of his life. Weclosed down the Globes, go home,
and he's at work the next dayat seven am with me because I had
to work at seven am, I'mready to go to work and knew all
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his lines and just a total proWow. Yeah, so that one as
well. That reinforces all the storiesthat we heard that you know, like
that when it's time, when it'stime to work, we're going to work.
Absolutely, Yeah, total pro Wasthat your first time at the Golden
Globes? Yeah, it was nice. Cool. I think I'd gone to
like a Golden Globe viewing party,which is like, you know, it's
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it's like the the actors that aren'tinvited the right to be a part of
it. Yeah, so it wasnice to go to the actual I think
I went to the party. Iwent to the party. But yeah,
well you really arrived at the righttime, right, I mean that was
after a few couple of years ofpeople starting to bind watch the show and
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really get into it. By byseason six, people are in it and
people people are you know, likeI have multiple box I mean I bought
multiple box sets back then because Iwas loaning mine out so much. I
was trying to make more fans.That was what I was trying to do.
It's like, I need somebody elseto talk about this show because it's
a total water pooler show. Weneed to have a conversation. But it's
it's the same thing. It's likeby that point people were onto it and
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good time, good timing for you. It's a good thing. They kind
of waited a bit to bring youon when they it was a dream,
perfect timing. Share them with youfor sure. Absolutely. Well to give
it some context too, when youcome in, Jack has been missing.
He was he was abducted, right, and he comes back just super like
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almost res bututant, like he's justgot the full beard and the full the
whole thing, and he isn't talking. And when we meet you on twenty
four, the first I think thefirst interaction was with Chloe, and Chloe
starts by blackmailing you. Well,actually, the first I think the first
interaction was me answering the phone andspeaking Arabic, right, the first line
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that I had in the whole series. And I loved it because it kind
of just it was just like boom, I'm here. It was a great
establishing. But I'll tell you alittle bit of trivia. I was never
supposed to be Arabic ever. Reallythe role was for a white girl,
and I truly and so when Iauditioned for it was just like whatever.
And then I got a call fromHoward Gordon asking, Hey, do you
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think that we could change the ethnicityof the character, would like to make
her, you know, of Arabicdescent, and I was like, oh,
like, you know, I don'tspeak Arabic. He's like, yeah,
that's fine, we'll work with it. I was like, Okay,
let's do it. So it wasreally it was it was really cool,
cool change there. But yes,so yeah, Chloe, that was my
first and my first scene was withChloe. That absolutely made CTU more representative,
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you know, yeah, right,yeah, So Chloe blackmails you over
something that she knew it was.I wrote it that was the Jarvis firewall.
I don't even know what that is, but she said, you know,
you've reached the Jervis firewall. AndI didn't tell anybody, so you
didn't get fired, so you kindof owe me. I remember that.
What a great way would he broughtinto the show. Yeah, right,
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as you said, establishing twenty fourwas great establishing. You know, within
the first ten or fifteen minutes,you were all caught up and you knew,
you know, like I said,having you speak Arabic at the beginning,
says volumes without saying anything. Really, it's kind of nice. It
kind of it establishes who you arevery good When you worked on set se
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and six, what was it likeworking with like the crew members and like
Howard Gordon, Joel sur Now anddid you have any fun experiences with any
other any other actors of yours?Well, okay, so the set was
amazing because it was like a welloiled machine. Again, it's season six,
right, So on any drama,it's like the worst schedule in the
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whole world, in all of Hollywood, right, it's like the worst schedule.
And twenty four turned out to bethe best schedule I've ever had in
my life because they were a welloiled machine, right, they really were.
And they would block shoot two episodesat once, so you'd have two
episodes of everything that happened in CTU, So I'd shoot everything in four days,
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and then they'd switch to DC andthen they'd switch to the terrorism,
so I'd be off. So I'dshoot four days, be offered two weeks,
shoot four days, we offered twoweeks. It was phenomenal. And
that was the first time you'd everworked like that. Oh, it's phenomenal,
absolutely wow, first time and lasttime. Right, No one else
has figured it out like that.And I wish they I was they would
and I think I remarked, Iremember remarking to John Kassar going and Howard,
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I'm like, this is an amazing, really amazing crew and amazing people,
right, And he said, hesaid, no, you basically live
on these sets. When you're shooting, especially a drama, you're there minimum
of seventeen hours a day and atleast says the actress through makeup and hair
and all that stuff. So Iwould say a minimum of fourteen hours a
day for everyone else. So youmight as well be around people that you
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like, right, And so hethey just had him and Howard had a
policy and it was like any badeggs, you just got rid of them,
Like you're not part of the team. You got to you gotta go.
It just can't keep the good peoplearound you. And I never forgot
that, Wow, never forgot that. It was it was great. You
come into an established show and youhit the ground running with them. Right
there, they've got in the ammyat this point, the Golden Globes.
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Yeah. By the way, Ihad never watched the show really ever.
Wow, because I was on series. I was on TV shows right,
working constantly, and so I barelyever watched TV and it wasn't that series
before Right Blind Justice and exactly,so I didn't I never so when I
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got I mean I didn't know.So then when I got it, I
was like Jesus, like I betterwatch something. So they sent me a
bunch of stuff to watch so Icould get on the show and stuff like
that. Yeah. Yeah, wetalked about it all the time, Ryan
and I. How it's interesting evenlate twenty years later, twenty two years
later, you know, twenty fouris still popular and it's still growing.
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It's fan based, it's on DisneyPlus really yeah, and it's our group
page has been growing in numbers.So you know, what do you think
twenty four still works these days interms of popularity? And I love that.
I didn't know that it was stillpopular, So I love that.
Be it's it's there's nothing like it. The closest thing I can say to
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it is probably like it destructured thestory like no one else right Handmaid's Tale
does. Right Handmaid's Tale will startthe middle of something, go backwards,
go backwards, go forwards, allover the place. Twenty four was the
first, as far as I remember, the first show to ever do that,
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to destructure something and go, let'sdo it hour by hour by hour,
and that and to capture and beinteresting and interested in something each hour
was phenomenal, right, phenomenal.Gene Yes, Howard Gordon's gone on to
do some insane shows that I've alsowatched every single one because I'm obsessed.
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Such a good writer and creator.But there was something just so unique and
special about twenty four and so relatable. I mean, for Sutherland to play
the he was so smart to playthe anti hero, like you don't play
the hero any like another actor wouldgo in there and play I'm the and
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beat your chest and be the godthe guy. Do you know what I
mean? He didn't do that.He was so smart and he'd played he'd
like like very similar to how HarrisonFord would play action heroes where they just
find themselves in the ocasion, Ohmy god, how do and Bruce Willis
as well, like to find themselvesa Christian Okay, let me figure it
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out. Did that beautifully, thankyou? And and it's that to me
is what you want to watch.You don't want to watch the you know,
the Stephen nothing against steven Sagall,but that would be a very different
show. And so do you knowwhat I mean? So I think you
know. I have got to alsogive so much credit to Kiefer because he
not only carried the show, buthe knew what he was doing very smart
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and was so relatable to the audience, so they could see themselves in him,
right, and therefore they're investing.They're invested. Now makes sense,
I really feel. My theory,thank you. My theory is that that
art, when it's done well,can put you in the situation, can
make you like, can make youfeel it or understand it better than you
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could before. And as you said, you know the stuff that Howard does.
I'm still trying to get Howard todo. Do you remember Awake?
He did a show called Awake.It was great. It was the two
realities where one reality was that thedad survived and one reality was that the
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mom survived. Yes, And I'mtrying to get I'm trying to get him
to do to bring that one back. I was. I brought it up
when we talked to him, butthen accused right now, very hard,
they won't. They won't bring It'svery weird in Hollywood. Just don't bring
things back. Right. Although althoughthen there's all these like reboots of things
that they've brought back exactly exactly,So never mind twenty four there there what
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we talked to Howard Gordon. Italked to Howard Gordon often and he uh
and twenty four they're actually considering unrevivingwith Keiffer again. So that's something else.
That's something that they're I guess talkingabout still and working on and well
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trying to come up with a goodstory idea. So maybe we'll see you
twenty four revivals soon now, Yeah, maybe I get to come back.
It'd be amazing. You survived.That's a good guy. I did as
you said, you wanted to makesure you kept living and you did.
You they're still You're still around,and they're not very many. No,
there isn't. We're in a veryvery selective group for sure. Was there
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a moment that you've had in youracting career where you just kind of said
how did I get here? Likeyou're in a group of people or you're
at a particular place and you justgo, how did I wind up here?
Yeah? Besides twenty four Riverdale wewere in we went to Terrace the
between first season and second season.There was a created like a con literally
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for us called Rivercn and they flewus all out and we got to a
hotel and there were people literally campingintense wow, yeah, trying to get
a glimpse of one of us,to the point where we couldn't actually leave
the hotel without tons of security,and you had to like fight your way
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through people to get to the wherethey're trying to push people all the way
to get to the car, andthen paparazzi chasing us like we're just going
to dinner like the Beatles. Itwas insane. And I would say that
that was one of those like andthey're all speaking French and it's just like,
wait, what that's happening? Wow, Okay, It's one of those
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stories that we all know. Igrew up with Archie comics from the time
I was a kid, right II collected and read Archie comics. I
knew I didn't Hermione wasn't a bigpart of the comics, which is kind
of cool, but that you've gotso much history behind it that when you
when you do it right as Riverdaledid. When when Riverdale came out and
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took a totally different take on it, but yeah, made you feel like,
oh, that's the that's the storyI really want. That's yeah,
it's interesting. It was so itwas also iconic. You've got all the
build up of fans that were youknow, and then their kids and everything
else. And I can't I can'tsay I'm surprised because Riverdale has been such
a phenomenon over the last several years. It's cool to see you a part
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of that, for sure. Andactually, I have another moment I want
to tell you. So you askedlike one of those how did I get
here? So when I first movedfrom Chicago to l A. I auditioned
for the Vacation movies Yes to Play, Yes, And I was like,
I'm never gonna like Audrey Griswold isthe whitest girl in America. Right's ever
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going to happen. She's the allAmerican kid representing all American family. And
so when I got Vegas Vacation andwas playing Audrey Griswold and I got to
Vegas and I We're doing the rudethrough and like, Chevy Chase is my
dad? That was that was becauseI was also brand new to say that
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that was your career I'd been insix I'd been in l A six months.
Amazing, amazing, And you wereinheriting Audrey from three other people,
right, Juliet Lewis Lewis, Yes, exactly, exactly. I was so
hoping you were going to bring upVegas Vacation because I love it. I
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love that whole series. You wereworking with Arth early in your career,
you're working with Chevy Chase, You'reworking with Randy Grailo. Yes, my
goodness, what a what a cast? And yeah, you were Audrey.
There was no like a I justlove the fact that there was no explanation.
It was just like you, you'reAudrey. Yeah. And there's actually
there's a line. I did watchit the other day. There's a line
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that chevy Chase says near the beginningwhere he says, you're growing up so
fast. I hardly recognize you.I recognize you. Yeah, exactly,
beautiful, beautiful. And so thatwas definitely going from a character that people
knew from other movies to going tohermione right that people knew very little about.
What's what was your preference? Imean, like, certainly there's a
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difference in your whole career. Youknow, from the beginning to this point.
But is there a benefit of doingone or the other? I mean,
Hermione, I think while there there'salways a benefit of stepping into the
shoes of something that is so successfulalready, right, you really can't go
wrong. Just don't mess it up. That's it. Just don't like twenty
four, same thing, Just don'tmess it up. It's like it's working.
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So there's there's obviously something to that. Nowadays, it's a different world
with social media. Now it's wholedifferent kind of pressure. If you're coming
in like, that's a whole differentthing. Now, that wasn't there that
to create a character though from scratchand not know whether it's gonna land right
or you know, we did Justlike anything you do the first season,
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you have no idea how it's gonnago, Like all right, let's see,
there's something insanely like satisfying as anactor to create something from scratch and
then have people embrace it. It'sa bigger win, if that makes sense.
There's like the oh I win becauseI stepped into the boots of someone
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that's already doing so well, likea twenty four or a vacation. That's
a nice win. A get likea get right. Yeah, but to
create something from scratch, out ofthin air and have it really be embraced,
that's a huge that's unbeatable. Didyou have input into those are I
mean, there's so many characters thatyou've done, certainly Audrey and everything the
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gates my goodness. But did youhave input into Nadia and into Hermione?
Not really Nadia, No, Nadia. It was literally like, just don't
mess it up, look at thepage, figure out what you're doing,
figure out who you are, andgo like because again a machine is going
and I'm gonna stay on that machineas long as i can. Oh,
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that's it with Hermione. Yes,in some ways I had yes, because
we're creating her from scratch, andespecially first season was my hands down,
my favorite because I created her andI kind of knew her and understood her,
and she was starting over and therewas so much hope to the character
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and I loved that she hope andpeople believed in her and like rooting for
her. And then when it switchesand now then then I didn't. It
was a lot harder because I'm like, I didn't know what we were doing.
Wait, how she's mean now she'sevil, okay, but she's good.
Okay, but evil? I don'tcan just give me something, guys,
right click, So I'll make someof this stuff that I'm doing makes
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sense because if I don't, ifit doesn't make sense to me, I
don't know how to make it makesense to an audience, right. And
so that part was a bit ofa struggle as it went on, because
I was like, I don't knowhow to justify these moves right at all
as the character at all in someways. So that was a bit of
a struggle. What's it like workingin Hollywood? Is there a difference now
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with like auditions and getting rolled?Oh? Yeah, such a difference.
I mean, to be fair,my career is a lot different than what
it was twenty years ago. SoI don't have to audition as much.
I do get things that are offeredto me, but then again, i'd
still and then there's other things thatI do have to audition for, and
the competition is fiercer, right becausetwenty years ago we didn't have the Internet,
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so we couldn't audition people from youknow, Italy or Europe or the
UK. The pool is so muchbigger than it was twenty years ago,
it was just you're there and that'sit. If you're in Hollywood, you
get to audition. I was luckyenough to come to Hollywood with a job
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that I auditioned for in Chicago,which was ever heard of. But that
was because a scout literally traveled toChicago to meet new actors and stuff.
So that's how I got that andgot to Hollywood. But it was that
never happens. Now, you'd havefor the same role, you'd you'd audition
people in Chicago, in New Yorkand Atlanta, in anywhere and everywhere,
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Vancouver, Toronto, anywhere. Soit's a lot. In some ways,
it's a lot harder. I canalso now because of COVID auditioned on I
mean I have an auditioned in personand I don't know also because I was
on Riverdale. But at least sincetwo thousand and sixteen, Wow, the
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technology has changed things. Yeah,And in some ways I like that I
was just having a conversation with anotheractor. In some ways I like it
because I don't have to just befucking brilliant on my first take. Do
you know what, I can actuallyget a second take, Thank you very
much. And I can send whatI send, just like you would on
a set, right, you getmore than one take, But it's also
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harder because you don't have anything towork off of sometimes and you don't have
that live energy, right that theenergy in the room too, they got
back. There's benefits and drawbacks toboth, I would sounds exactly. Yeah,
So tell me what I thought thiswas cool. You started one of
your first roles with the Chevy Chase, and then you were working with Chris
Rock kind of the kind of theSNL Cream of the Crops. Yeah,
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hey look at that. Yep.Yeah, what was that like going into
a franchise? I like saw thatactually was jas was one Tobin Bell who
was on season two of twenty four, which is very cool. What was
it like going into that? Imean, you facing off, you were
that, you were the captain andyou I remember there's a scene where you
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walk in and you tell all theguys basically shut up and do it truth.
I thought that was I thought itwas a great scene. I loved
it. That's shut it all downand they all did, which I thought
was beautiful. And then you goup against certainly Sam jack Samuel L.
Jackson and Chris Rock. I mean, how was that? I loved that.
First of all, I was alittle like, the soft rands are
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hardcore, like hardcore, yes,yeah there, and probably not as hardcore
as twenty four, but they're vocaland we have Twitter and Instagram now,
so now I get to hear them, do you know what I mean?
Where I didn't before? Right,So that was a little like, Okay,
how's this going to go? Andthen I'm like, this is not
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a comedy. This is a horrorfilm, right and Chris Rock is starring
rock? All right? Okay,okay, so but he was. It
was great. My very first scenethat I shot at all on the film
at all, I think was mescreaming and literally showing him a new asshole
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in that. Yeah, that's thefirst thing. And I was just like,
I think I turned him. Iwas like, I'm sorry, and
then just went and we got alonggreat, and like shooting behind the scenes
was like being at the front rowof a Chris Rock concert. That was
fantastically, right, That was fantastic. It was just jokes left and right
and dah in the middle of exactlyand he's a total pro and he really
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since you know, he's like hewanted to do. He wanted to make
it good. He wanted his heartsin it, like he was producing it,
was putting his name on it,and it was I admired the ship
out of it because he risked somuch. Absolutely absolutely, I think he
done just done Fargo at that pointbecause he was He was brilliant too.
It hadn't aired yet, okay,okay, so not Yeah, so he
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didn't know. He had no feedback, no nothing yet from an audience,
and then came into spiral and I'mstill hoping. It was supposed to be
a three picture deal. So we'resupposed to have two other ones, two
flashback films. I say, youreally wouldn't be in the sequel, but
if you do a prequel, you'regood, and I hope that they do.
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It was really sad that whatever thenew regime was at Lionsgate kind of
released us like good luck, likelike okay, here's covid go release in
theaters. It was like, hey, right, but it's found its base
and I'm and I'm I'm you know, better late than ever. Yeah,
it seems it seems like it's fightingits fans. Yeah, it was rightly,
Yeah, I mean again, justyou. My wife's question was,
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I said, do you have anyquestions? He said, what's it like
working with Molly ringawall, you know, it's really cool working with I do
have to say. As you're talkingabout my career, I'm like, wow,
I've worked with a pretty cool people. That's so cool. But the
one I noticed was Injustice. Ididn't realize it was the King's Oh yeah,
The Good Wife. I love allthe shows that they do. I
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didn't. I didn't even know theyhad a show before before The Good Wife,
I know, and I was like, boy, Maris has worked with
everybody. You are you are Im dB, Yeah, it's been nice.
Nick van Dyke, I worked withDick van Dyke, Wow, amazing.
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But Molly Ring, Oh, Mollywas great. It was I was
such a fan girl when she came. I was like, ah, that's
Molly. Yeah. You know.I always get like that, though I'm
the worst. I got that withlike that with Chris, I got that
with Sam Jackson, I got thatwith Kiefer. I just I'm an actor,
so I don't show it so much, right, but inside I'm oh,
my god, this is so cool. You know that kind of thing.
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I'm still that girl. That's agreat way to be to be a
fan. Absolutely, yeah, completely, oh yeah, absolutely yeah. We
saw we saw Molly but just beforeCOVID she was doing a concert and we
drove up to see it. Shetold me that she sings, and I
never so nice, that's so approachable. Yeah, it was great. She
is very cool, like at theend of the day, a mom and
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a great chick. You know,what would your advice be to, uh,
students in acting schools who want toget into the acting business. Do
you have advice? Uh, somegood career I do. Yeah, Like,
don't don't spend your whole life inclass. Just I have a very
different way of thinking and go outand act. Throw a rock, like
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move to Chicago, move to NewYork, moves to to wherever there's theater,
and throw a rock an audition forplays, and audition for plays,
an audition for place. Because youyou it's like writing. You can't be
a writer without writing. You needto act and you need to act in
front of an audience, and youneed to get that feedback from an audience,
so you learn how to hone yourcraft. Don't pay attention. That's
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why I'm like, look, inschool, it's a grade. It's the
professor who is do you know whatI mean? The audience is your judge.
That's your judge, that's your persongrading you. And there's no better
school of hard knocks than being infront of a live audience and learning,
learning how to do stuff. Andit's just it's a great playground, just
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a playground because at the end ofthe day, people get so serious.
Especially that's what some schools just getvery very serious. There's no creation in
seriousness. There fucking isn't. Sorry, at the end of the day,
acting is playing right. It shouldn'tbe like there's research, but the research
should be fun, right, thecreating a character that should be fun.
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It shouldn't be hard serious work.And when it becomes that, it's no
longer playful, and it's no longerspontaneous, and in my opinion, it's
no longer it's no longer creative.And incredible moments come out of creativity and
just flying by the seat of yourpants and figuring it out and going for
it and it's exhilarating. And somy advice is, don't forget to play,
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don't forget, don't lose that exhilaration. Go out and chase that and
you'll you'll find your way. Wow, it will work out. Your passion
for what you do just comes throughas you talk about it, like it's
just so evident that you enjoy it, that you love it. What's your
favorite thing about playing other people?I think telling stories. I read all
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the time. I read every singlenight. I read every single night on
my on my like literally on myphone, and then I pull up the
Kindle app and then I turn offall the lights and then I read and
dark on the Kiddle app. Ilove stories, love stories, And so
the best part about about creating anew character is being a part of another
story and you and again, youcan't do it without an audience. So
I just go good house. Theaudience going to like this, Who's going
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to see this? It's that it'sa two way thing, do you know
what I mean? It's a dualuniverse. And so I just really get
except I didn't whenever I get achance to play in something like that,
and I know there's going to bean audience there in a big way to
receive it. So you know it'sfun. You've got a new film coming
called Winter spring, summer fall.I want to make sure I get those
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in order. Yep, preparing.Can you tell us a bit about that?
Yeah, it's It stars Jenna Ortega, who is like the one star
in the world right now. She'sWednesday for everyone who's listening. Yeah,
and it's a really sweet film.It's written by I got into it because
I had a I'm sort of movinginto the producing realm, and so I
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had a television series that I washelping produce that I'm still now taken over
with a friend of mine. Butthe writer director of that film, Tiffany
Paulson, a writer that had writtenthis TV series that I was doing.
So that's how I end up likedoing that role. So as a female
director, is her first time directing, which I love. She's a writer,
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amazing it. She's justled and likedirecting is a whole different thing.
Like that's where you need to beserious, that's where you need to have
to work with your homework and everythingfigured out and you're hard work in But
and she did, and she reallydid, and I really loved that experience.
And then Jenna at the time,you know, Jenna's just was at
the top of her Yes, thetop. But at the end of the
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day, it's a really sweet,romantic comedy. And I got to stretch
my comedic chops as a sort ofoverbearing psychotic mother, which I think is
funny. Is so so I likedoing. It'll be fun, that'll be
fun cool. What made you getinto producing and would you ever direct?
I would direct. I'm a betterproducer. Again. I've never directed,
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but I am kind of a director, which is why I make a good
producer. Again. I love stories. And it's very hard as an actor
because you're at the whim of writersand producers, and lots of producers sometimes
don't know what they're doing, orthey get a taste of something great and
(35:05):
then they change everything right, andyou can't change everything, Like what worked
was what worked, that's what peopleliked. Don't go change again, just
do more of the same. Andas an actor, you're at the mercy
of all of that. And Igot really tired of being at the mercy
of all of that. You know, or the producer in the room that
just got the job, and it'slike going to change things just because you
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know he has to justify his paycheck, or or you know, the person
make their mark exactly. The writeras a vendetta against so and so and
so they put it in the scriptand it has nothing to do with the
story and it ruins everything. LikeI got tired of being effect of that.
So and I love stories, soI'm constantly finding new stories and I'm
like, Ah, this has tobe a show. Oh, this has
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to be a movie. Oh peopleneed to hear about this. And so
that's how I got into developing andproducing his finding stories and buying the rights
to them, and then putting togetherwriters that I've worked with throughout the years
that I admire and love, anddirectors that know how to tell story.
So it's a really fun, funpart of the game. You know,
excellent, excellent, And and you'repodcasting. I always try to do my
(36:15):
research before I'm going to talk toa guest. And I went and I
looked and found your Usually I findinterviews that other people do, but I
didn't realize you had a podcast untila couple of weeks ago. And yes,
I'm telling I started with the CarryCasem discussion that you had. It's
called Marison Nichols Podcast. Everybody needsto find it. Everybody needs to check
it out and share with their friendsand their circle and everything else, because
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I'd listened to that one first andit just broke my heart. And it
just when I was talking about howart can put you in a position where
you understand something better than you didbefore. I've seen film for me,
film have done that, music havedone that where it's like I don't really
understand the situation, but I understandit better, right, or I can
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learn from somebody else's perspective. Canyou tell us about that podcast? So
sort of in my other life herefor the past almost a decade now,
I've been off and on as anundercover informant working with law enforcement both here
in the United States and abroad indifferent countries, and I use my acting
(37:22):
skills to basically take down pedophiles andinfiltrate human trafficking rings and help to get
women and children out. Wow,because I don't. First of all,
I'm an actor, so I canplay different roles and I can play what's
needed. And I have my ownnonprofit for human trafficking. So I'm very,
very very familiar with this world becauseI've been doing it for I mean
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since twenty twelve, since I firststarted hearing about it. And so with
that unique skill set that I'm honoredto have, it allows me to get
into places that you know, otherscan't essentially, and so when I partner
with different organizations or governments or whatever, it's obviously very secretive. I'm obviously
(38:08):
guys, I'm obviously have different Ihave a different voice and different look and
depending on the character that I'm playing, and the podcast is helping me spread
the word about not only ops thatI've done, and we show undercover footage
on there that I've taken literally frommy iPhone, as well as my partner
Tim Ballard and all different ops thathe's done, and then I have different
(38:30):
experts on to mainly educate anyone ineveryone about what this is and why it's
such a freaking big deal, andwhy it's everywhere in America, in every
single city. And it doesn't matterif you're black or white, or rich
or poor, it doesn't matter.It affects everyone. And so my goal
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is to protect, you know,the vulnerable women and children from falling into
the hands of these people. Andso I try to educate them on the
pitfalls and tell them what it's likeand what it's about, and teachers and
everyone, and we've been doing itnow. We just finished our first season
and we're about to start a secondand it's going very well. I'm really
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proud of the work that we're doing. And the Carrie Caseum interview that he's
talking about to the audience is becauseeveryone always asks me, why in the
hell do you do this? Becauseit's really dangerous. I mean, it's
really fucking dangerous. I'm not actuallykidding. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I'm
a room full of cops and that'sreally easy, and all I have to
do is jump on the phone.Well, I mean twenty four was make
believe. This is a make belief. This is the real deal, where
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we really have safe houses and wereally have escape plans, and we really
have burner phones and all of thatreal stuff. And it's very I'm not
going to lie, it's very terrifyingwhen I do it, And so people
always ask, why in the worlddo you do this? How did you
like it? It's I guess incomprehensiblewhy I guess someone would put themselves I
(39:58):
guess in harms if you don't haveto. But to me, I'm like,
that's what cops do every single day. That's what law enforcement day,
right when they're doing these things.So I have a high respect for that.
So the interview with Carrie Case,I was finally like, Okay,
good, I want to tell thestory. I'm gonna explain why and why
I care about this and what happenedto me as a kid and and how
I grew up and here you go. But I wasn't going to do it
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in an interview for a reporter tomake headlines out of it, right.
I didn't want that, So Iwas going to do it on my terms,
you know. So that's that's thesecond episode. The first episode is
me and my partner, Tim Ballard, who really explains like, hey,
no, this is these are thisis what me and Marris all have been
doing. Tim's FORMAC and that's OperationUnderground Railation Underground rail Road. He's former
(40:44):
CIA. Yeah, and he's amazingand he's the one who taught me everything
that I do and he's my partnerwhen I do this. So the first
episode is me and him sort ofspilling the beans on everything that we've done
together to a degree we just didto it. And then the second episode
is the interview on why in theworld do I do this, So yeah,
please tune in just google Marisonical podcast. But if you can, people,
(41:07):
please watch it on YouTube because Ishow all the footage there and it's
it's visual as well as as audio. I found that episode was a good
starter, and then I went backand listened to one of the tim and
then have followed. But it reallyit's it's yeah again. I sometimes I
can listen to about half of itand I have to take a break and
just cry. And just like likeI said, to feel it, I'm
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trying to make you feel it.No, no, no, it's it's
it's again. The passion that youbring to us talking about your acting career
is the same passion that you bringto and so as you talk about it,
we understand, at least I understandlistening to why you do what you
do, Why why somebody would runinto a burning building and good, which
(41:53):
is basically what you're doing. You'rerunning into a burning building. And I
part of my part of my life, I do social media talks to high
schools and to I talk about socialmedia safety and being careful with your information.
And there's times when I go intoa high school when I feel like
there's just a wave where I'm standinglike I'm standing in front of this this
(42:13):
this massive wave, and it's it'sso much, it's overwhelming. But I
have to do it. And sowhen I listen to you, I understand
why you have to do it,because you see the urgency, you see
the need, you see you seeyou see stuff that none of us see.
Right during your during your ops,which we're actually having Instagram on.
(42:36):
We just literally had a big meetingwith Meta, with Instagram and Facebook and
we're getting the person on that putsall the safety protocols in Okay, yes,
on the podcast, because I wantit to be from other people's mouths,
not just mine. I always talkabout it on the podcast, but
it'll be really nice to hear fromMeta directly. But please tell your students
to tune into the podcast because weput everything there specifically for the absolute they
(43:00):
know what. So thank you,thanks very much, Oh thank thanks for
doing it. Thanks for doing it. It's again, as a guy,
we need to somehow be in itwhere we understand or start to we'll never
fully understand, but where we canstart to get a glimpse of oh my
gosh, like this is this isso much it's so prevalent, as you
(43:21):
said, it's it's everywhere. It'sabsolutely everywhere and in fact, and it
affects everybody, whether people want toadmit it or not. Anything else that
we didn't cover that. Yeah,we're gonna, we're gonna, I suggested,
start to open his mouth. Sodid you want to say something justin
Yeah? How it's with with technologychange in these days in an audience is
(43:42):
viewing habits changing from from like twentythirty years ago, with technology changing,
how hard is it to measure thesuccess of a of a movie or TV
show? Or is it easier?Is it harder? Like like, how
do you kind of measure success withthe audience of interesting? Yeah, I
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think honestly because of social media wordof mouth. When something is trending,
you're like, oh, people reallylike it, Like it's literally word of
mouth. It's our new word ofmouth. It's no longer Nielsen boxes or
box box office. Yes, butalso but more word of mouth when you
hear from your friends or you seeit on Twitter, you see it on
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TikTok or Instagram, like oh,so also like oh look at that.
Oh it must be really I thinkI need to check it out. So,
I mean, honestly, through throughtechnology is how it is how and
it's also really nice to get immediatefeedback just personally as an actor, like,
oh my god, I love itwhatever it is. I do read
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those things like we do care.We do read them. I do at
least, And it's really I loveit, do you know what I mean.
I'm like, oh, good,yeah, people like it, Like
that's what I care about. LikeI said, it's a too, it's
a two. It's a dual universethere, you know. Yeah, so
I like it. I just heardthe interview Steven Spielberg when he was saying
how encouraged he is by streaming.He said, because there's shows that you
(45:05):
would never see ever again, butthey're gonna be on Disney. Plus they're
going to be part of the catalogsomewhere you can find most shows you can
find somewhere streaming somewhere out there.I know. That's why I was surprised
as you watched The Gates. Iwas like, how did you watch The
Gates? I don't even know.Oh I had I think I had the
digital recordings from years ago. WhyI yeah, Oh I love that show.
(45:27):
I'd love to I'd love to seethat that story told after it was
fun really where it was left.Yeah, absolutely well, thank you very
much, thank you so much forYeah, everyone stopped doing such a good
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job. It's just it's too much
The following takes place between five pmand six pm Standard Eastern town. Okay,
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we are back. I don't knowif we should still call ourselves twenty
years of twenty four because now we'reon year twenty two arguably, but right,
we'll call ourselves twenty years of twentyfour for now until we come up
with something a little snappier. Myname is Ryan. This is justin.
We are back talking twenty four andI gotta say this season six I believe
is winning on our podcast because Ithink we had the most representative Now that
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you've joined us, Marison Nichols ishere with us, played Nadia Jasah on
twenty four, and I think withyou joining us now, I think you
have taken us over the top.So that season six now has the most
guests from that season. We hadJames Morrison, we had Carlo Roda has
been on. Keifer of course wason. So I was doing the numbers
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today and actually our second guest wasEric belfour. Well I'm sure I was
gonna ask Eric, Yeah, yeah, he was guest number two. So
so yeah, I'm sure we're goingto talk about Eric at some point today.
But yeah, I think I thinkyou have declared season six the winner
of the number. I love that, so congratulations than congratulations. So I
think what we'll do again? AsI mentioned a minute ago, Marison Nichols
(01:38):
is here with us, joining usto talk about twenty four and some of
the projects he's got on the go, the whole history. I gotta admit
I literally just finished watching the finaleof The Gates about ten minutes ago.
I wanted to watch it again becauseit was such a great ender, like
as there should have been a secondseason. I've been a stand on I
love for sure, but that endingwas really really cool that it left you
(02:01):
on it. It left you ona great cliffhanger, and it went well.
We were supposed to come back.They should have made a better decision.
They should have made a better decision. So so what we'll do is
we'll start with twenty four and thenwe'll spiral our way through the conversation.
Spiral, spiral. I love that. Thank you, it's good. It
took me a second. Welcome toour podcast. Thank you this evening.
(02:23):
The first question we always like tostart off with our guests is how'd you
get involved with twenty four? Ihad been doing it was a really nice
time in my career because I've beendoing like back to back series. I
went from like a series called BlindJustice to a series called Injustice to and
twenty four came along and I hadalready auditioned for them three times and they
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never hired me. So I think, after, do you remember what roles
they were that you didn't? Idon't. It's okay because I auditioned a
lot back then. It was likeit was the heyday of Hollywood. There's
tons and tons of auditions, right, But I remember auditions a few times
for you know, for a seriesof regular role and they never hired me.
And so I just remember my managercalled me and was like, hey,
they want you to audition for twentyfour. I'm like, I'm not
(03:09):
going. They never hired me.I like me over there. He's like,
you're going, Like I don't wantto go, It's like you're going.
So I'm like all right, AndI went and I was the only
person there and I didn't understand why, and I thought like maybe I was
late or something. Anyway, Ifound out later John Cassar told me that
they wanted me anyway, they werejust trying to find a good role.
(03:30):
Yes, so I was glad thatI went, and then there you go.
And then my goal was just tonot be killed right after I got
there, which was everybody's goal onthat show exactly, not to get that
call exactly. We've heard about theinfamous call, and nobody wanted to get
that call. If you don't wantthat call's what's really interesting too, of
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what you said, and let meknow if this is you've your experience with
auditioning and everything else. My friendof mine is one of the casting directors
for The Boldenful m HM and herI did an interview with her a couple
of years ago. She said,if we keep calling you back, it's
because we're trying to find a fit. Like if we don't want if we
don't want you, we're not gonnaWe're not going to call you back at
(04:12):
all. Is that that ring true? Totally true, just as the actor
you wasting your time and gets alittle tiring after no, no, no,
no, no, right, yeah, you know what I mean.
But I also know a lot morenow than I did back then. So
now in hindsight, I'm like,well, yeah, of course you go,
But back then I was I didn'tI really didn't know much. How
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long was it before you found outthat John and the team was trying to
find something that would fit you?Oh? Probably when I got on set,
okay, and I and I toldhim the story. I was like,
I wasn't even going to come in, you know that, right?
And he's like, no, wewanted you the whole time. We're just
trying to find a role for it, like you did. Why why don't
they tell the actress? That iswhat I want to know? Just tell
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us, you know, well whathappened. For some reason, there's like
this unspoken rule in Holly where weyou keep stuff from the actor and it's
the weirdest thing ever. It makesno sense, Like, just tell us
it's a game, right, Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. You were
on all of season six twenty fourepisodes in two thousand and seven. What
were your Did you have any favoritemoments or highlights of working on twenty four
(05:19):
for that season? There were twohighlights kind of almost off screen, if
that helps, if that's okay.But first of all, my first day
was literally they just won the GoldenGlobe, and I think they were all
like, like it was literally thenext day that we started work. I
walk on set and there was theEmmy. It was the Emmy actually,
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and there's the Emmy like and they'reall just like so excited, and I
was like, I can't believe Iget to join this show this season.
So that was that was a reallybig highlight. Number two was going to
the Golden Globes as they as atwenty four cast member. And basically,
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I don't drink it. I didn'tdrink back then. I drink once in
a while right now, it's notthat big of a deal. But I
wasn't really drinking back then. AndKiefer as I'm sure you've heard, really
liked to drink and he can holdit work in the whole and so hanging
out with him the whole night,it was me, him, Sean the
(06:23):
arm music guy, and John Gasarand then eventually Kim Radio came off over
as well, and just like watchinghim drink all night, hang out at
the time of his life. Weclosed down the Globes, go home,
and he's at work the next dayat seven am with me because I had
to work at seven am, I'mready to go to work and knew all
(06:44):
his lines and just a total proWow. Yeah, so that one as
well. That reinforces all the storiesthat we heard that you know, like
that when it's time, when it'stime to work, we're going to work.
Absolutely, Yeah, total pro Wasthat your first time at the Golden
Globes? Yeah, it was nice. Cool. I think I'd gone to
like a Golden Globe viewing party,which is like, you know, it's
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it's like the the actors that aren'tinvited the right to be a part of
it. Yeah, so it wasnice to go to the actual I think
I went to the party. Iwent to the party. But yeah,
well you really arrived at the righttime, right, I mean that was
after a few couple of years ofpeople starting to bind watch the show and
(07:27):
really get into it. By byseason six, people are in it and
people people are you know, likeI have multiple box I mean I bought
multiple box sets back then because Iwas loaning mine out so much. I
was trying to make more fans.That was what I was trying to do.
It's like, I need somebody elseto talk about this show because it's
a total water pooler show. Weneed to have a conversation. But it's
it's the same thing. It's likeby that point people were onto it and
(07:51):
good time, good timing for you. It's a good thing. They kind
of waited a bit to bring youon when they it was a dream,
perfect timing. Share them with youfor sure. Absolutely. Well to give
it some context too, when youcome in, Jack has been missing.
He was he was abducted, right, and he comes back just super like
(08:11):
almost res bututant, like he's justgot the full beard and the full the
whole thing, and he isn't talking. And when we meet you on twenty
four, the first I think thefirst interaction was with Chloe, and Chloe
starts by blackmailing you. Well,actually, the first I think the first
interaction was me answering the phone andspeaking Arabic, right, the first line
(08:33):
that I had in the whole series. And I loved it because it kind
of just it was just like boom, I'm here. It was a great
establishing. But I'll tell you alittle bit of trivia. I was never
supposed to be Arabic ever. Reallythe role was for a white girl,
and I truly and so when Iauditioned for it was just like whatever.
And then I got a call fromHoward Gordon asking, Hey, do you
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think that we could change the ethnicityof the character, would like to make
her, you know, of Arabicdescent, and I was like, oh,
like, you know, I don'tspeak Arabic. He's like, yeah,
that's fine, we'll work with it. I was like, Okay,
let's do it. So it wasreally it was it was really cool,
cool change there. But yes,so yeah, Chloe, that was my
first and my first scene was withChloe. That absolutely made CTU more representative,
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you know, yeah, right,yeah, So Chloe blackmails you over
something that she knew it was.I wrote it that was the Jarvis firewall.
I don't even know what that is, but she said, you know,
you've reached the Jervis firewall. AndI didn't tell anybody, so you
didn't get fired, so you kindof owe me. I remember that.
What a great way would he broughtinto the show. Yeah, right,
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as you said, establishing twenty fourwas great establishing. You know, within
the first ten or fifteen minutes,you were all caught up and you knew,
you know, like I said,having you speak Arabic at the beginning,
says volumes without saying anything. Really, it's kind of nice. It
kind of it establishes who you arevery good When you worked on set se
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and six, what was it likeworking with like the crew members and like
Howard Gordon, Joel sur Now anddid you have any fun experiences with any
other any other actors of yours?Well, okay, so the set was
amazing because it was like a welloiled machine. Again, it's season six,
right, So on any drama,it's like the worst schedule in the
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whole world, in all of Hollywood, right, it's like the worst schedule.
And twenty four turned out to bethe best schedule I've ever had in
my life because they were a welloiled machine, right, they really were.
And they would block shoot two episodesat once, so you'd have two
episodes of everything that happened in CTU, So I'd shoot everything in four days,
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and then they'd switch to DC andthen they'd switch to the terrorism,
so I'd be off. So I'dshoot four days, be offered two weeks,
shoot four days, we offered twoweeks. It was phenomenal. And
that was the first time you'd everworked like that. Oh, it's phenomenal,
absolutely wow, first time and lasttime. Right, No one else
has figured it out like that.And I wish they I was they would
and I think I remarked, Iremember remarking to John Kassar going and Howard,
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I'm like, this is an amazing, really amazing crew and amazing people,
right, And he said, hesaid, no, you basically live
on these sets. When you're shooting, especially a drama, you're there minimum
of seventeen hours a day and atleast says the actress through makeup and hair
and all that stuff. So Iwould say a minimum of fourteen hours a
day for everyone else. So youmight as well be around people that you
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like, right, And so hethey just had him and Howard had a
policy and it was like any badeggs, you just got rid of them,
Like you're not part of the team. You got to you gotta go.
It just can't keep the good peoplearound you. And I never forgot
that, Wow, never forgot that. It was it was great. You
come into an established show and youhit the ground running with them. Right
there, they've got in the ammyat this point, the Golden Globes.
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Yeah. By the way, Ihad never watched the show really ever.
Wow, because I was on series. I was on TV shows right,
working constantly, and so I barelyever watched TV and it wasn't that series
before Right Blind Justice and exactly,so I didn't I never so when I
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got I mean I didn't know.So then when I got it, I
was like Jesus, like I betterwatch something. So they sent me a
bunch of stuff to watch so Icould get on the show and stuff like
that. Yeah. Yeah, wetalked about it all the time, Ryan
and I. How it's interesting evenlate twenty years later, twenty two years
later, you know, twenty fouris still popular and it's still growing.
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It's fan based, it's on DisneyPlus really yeah, and it's our group
page has been growing in numbers.So you know, what do you think
twenty four still works these days interms of popularity? And I love that.
I didn't know that it was stillpopular, So I love that.
Be it's it's there's nothing like it. The closest thing I can say to
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it is probably like it destructured thestory like no one else right Handmaid's Tale
does. Right Handmaid's Tale will startthe middle of something, go backwards,
go backwards, go forwards, allover the place. Twenty four was the
first, as far as I remember, the first show to ever do that,
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to destructure something and go, let'sdo it hour by hour by hour,
and that and to capture and beinteresting and interested in something each hour
was phenomenal, right, phenomenal.Gene Yes, Howard Gordon's gone on to
do some insane shows that I've alsowatched every single one because I'm obsessed.
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Such a good writer and creator.But there was something just so unique and
special about twenty four and so relatable. I mean, for Sutherland to play
the he was so smart to playthe anti hero, like you don't play
the hero any like another actor wouldgo in there and play I'm the and
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beat your chest and be the godthe guy. Do you know what I
mean? He didn't do that.He was so smart and he'd played he'd
like like very similar to how HarrisonFord would play action heroes where they just
find themselves in the ocasion, Ohmy god, how do and Bruce Willis
as well, like to find themselvesa Christian Okay, let me figure it
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out. Did that beautifully, thankyou? And and it's that to me
is what you want to watch.You don't want to watch the you know,
the Stephen nothing against steven Sagall,but that would be a very different
show. And so do you knowwhat I mean? So I think you
know. I have got to alsogive so much credit to Kiefer because he
not only carried the show, buthe knew what he was doing very smart
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and was so relatable to the audience, so they could see themselves in him,
right, and therefore they're investing.They're invested. Now makes sense,
I really feel. My theory,thank you. My theory is that that
art, when it's done well,can put you in the situation, can
make you like, can make youfeel it or understand it better than you
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could before. And as you said, you know the stuff that Howard does.
I'm still trying to get Howard todo. Do you remember Awake?
He did a show called Awake.It was great. It was the two
realities where one reality was that thedad survived and one reality was that the
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mom survived. Yes, And I'mtrying to get I'm trying to get him
to do to bring that one back. I was. I brought it up
when we talked to him, butthen accused right now, very hard,
they won't. They won't bring It'svery weird in Hollywood. Just don't bring
things back. Right. Although althoughthen there's all these like reboots of things
that they've brought back exactly exactly,So never mind twenty four there there what
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we talked to Howard Gordon. Italked to Howard Gordon often and he uh
and twenty four they're actually considering unrevivingwith Keiffer again. So that's something else.
That's something that they're I guess talkingabout still and working on and well
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trying to come up with a goodstory idea. So maybe we'll see you
twenty four revivals soon now, Yeah, maybe I get to come back.
It'd be amazing. You survived.That's a good guy. I did as
you said, you wanted to makesure you kept living and you did.
You they're still You're still around,and they're not very many. No,
there isn't. We're in a veryvery selective group for sure. Was there
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a moment that you've had in youracting career where you just kind of said
how did I get here? Likeyou're in a group of people or you're
at a particular place and you justgo, how did I wind up here?
Yeah? Besides twenty four Riverdale wewere in we went to Terrace the
between first season and second season.There was a created like a con literally
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for us called Rivercn and they flewus all out and we got to a
hotel and there were people literally campingintense wow, yeah, trying to get
a glimpse of one of us,to the point where we couldn't actually leave
the hotel without tons of security,and you had to like fight your way
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through people to get to the wherethey're trying to push people all the way
to get to the car, andthen paparazzi chasing us like we're just going
to dinner like the Beatles. Itwas insane. And I would say that
that was one of those like andthey're all speaking French and it's just like,
wait, what that's happening? Wow, Okay, It's one of those
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stories that we all know. Igrew up with Archie comics from the time
I was a kid, right II collected and read Archie comics. I
knew I didn't Hermione wasn't a bigpart of the comics, which is kind
of cool, but that you've gotso much history behind it that when you
when you do it right as Riverdaledid. When when Riverdale came out and
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took a totally different take on it, but yeah, made you feel like,
oh, that's the that's the storyI really want. That's yeah,
it's interesting. It was so itwas also iconic. You've got all the
build up of fans that were youknow, and then their kids and everything
else. And I can't I can'tsay I'm surprised because Riverdale has been such
a phenomenon over the last several years. It's cool to see you a part
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of that, for sure. Andactually, I have another moment I want
to tell you. So you askedlike one of those how did I get
here? So when I first movedfrom Chicago to l A. I auditioned
for the Vacation movies Yes to Play, Yes, And I was like,
I'm never gonna like Audrey Griswold isthe whitest girl in America. Right's ever
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going to happen. She's the allAmerican kid representing all American family. And
so when I got Vegas Vacation andwas playing Audrey Griswold and I got to
Vegas and I We're doing the rudethrough and like, Chevy Chase is my
dad? That was that was becauseI was also brand new to say that
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that was your career I'd been insix I'd been in l A six months.
Amazing, amazing, And you wereinheriting Audrey from three other people,
right, Juliet Lewis Lewis, Yes, exactly, exactly. I was so
hoping you were going to bring upVegas Vacation because I love it. I
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love that whole series. You wereworking with Arth early in your career,
you're working with Chevy Chase, You'reworking with Randy Grailo. Yes, my
goodness, what a what a cast? And yeah, you were Audrey.
There was no like a I justlove the fact that there was no explanation.
It was just like you, you'reAudrey. Yeah. And there's actually
there's a line. I did watchit the other day. There's a line
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that chevy Chase says near the beginningwhere he says, you're growing up so
fast. I hardly recognize you.I recognize you. Yeah, exactly,
beautiful, beautiful. And so thatwas definitely going from a character that people
knew from other movies to going tohermione right that people knew very little about.
What's what was your preference? Imean, like, certainly there's a
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difference in your whole career. Youknow, from the beginning to this point.
But is there a benefit of doingone or the other? I mean,
Hermione, I think while there there'salways a benefit of stepping into the
shoes of something that is so successfulalready, right, you really can't go
wrong. Just don't mess it up. That's it. Just don't like twenty
four, same thing, Just don'tmess it up. It's like it's working.
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So there's there's obviously something to that. Nowadays, it's a different world
with social media. Now it's wholedifferent kind of pressure. If you're coming
in like, that's a whole differentthing. Now, that wasn't there that
to create a character though from scratchand not know whether it's gonna land right
or you know, we did Justlike anything you do the first season,
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you have no idea how it's gonnago, Like all right, let's see,
there's something insanely like satisfying as anactor to create something from scratch and
then have people embrace it. It'sa bigger win, if that makes sense.
There's like the oh I win becauseI stepped into the boots of someone
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that's already doing so well, likea twenty four or a vacation. That's
a nice win. A get likea get right. Yeah, but to
create something from scratch, out ofthin air and have it really be embraced,
that's a huge that's unbeatable. Didyou have input into those are I
mean, there's so many characters thatyou've done, certainly Audrey and everything the
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gates my goodness. But did youhave input into Nadia and into Hermione?
Not really Nadia, No, Nadia. It was literally like, just don't
mess it up, look at thepage, figure out what you're doing,
figure out who you are, andgo like because again a machine is going
and I'm gonna stay on that machineas long as i can. Oh,
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that's it with Hermione. Yes,in some ways I had yes, because
we're creating her from scratch, andespecially first season was my hands down,
my favorite because I created her andI kind of knew her and understood her,
and she was starting over and therewas so much hope to the character
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and I loved that she hope andpeople believed in her and like rooting for
her. And then when it switchesand now then then I didn't. It
was a lot harder because I'm like, I didn't know what we were doing.
Wait, how she's mean now she'sevil, okay, but she's good.
Okay, but evil? I don'tcan just give me something, guys,
right click, So I'll make someof this stuff that I'm doing makes
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sense because if I don't, ifit doesn't make sense to me, I
don't know how to make it makesense to an audience, right. And
so that part was a bit ofa struggle as it went on, because
I was like, I don't knowhow to justify these moves right at all
as the character at all in someways. So that was a bit of
a struggle. What's it like workingin Hollywood? Is there a difference now
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with like auditions and getting rolled?Oh? Yeah, such a difference.
I mean, to be fair,my career is a lot different than what
it was twenty years ago. SoI don't have to audition as much.
I do get things that are offeredto me, but then again, i'd
still and then there's other things thatI do have to audition for, and
the competition is fiercer, right becausetwenty years ago we didn't have the Internet,
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so we couldn't audition people from youknow, Italy or Europe or the
UK. The pool is so muchbigger than it was twenty years ago,
it was just you're there and that'sit. If you're in Hollywood, you
get to audition. I was luckyenough to come to Hollywood with a job
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that I auditioned for in Chicago,which was ever heard of. But that
was because a scout literally traveled toChicago to meet new actors and stuff.
So that's how I got that andgot to Hollywood. But it was that
never happens. Now, you'd havefor the same role, you'd you'd audition
people in Chicago, in New Yorkand Atlanta, in anywhere and everywhere,
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Vancouver, Toronto, anywhere. Soit's a lot. In some ways,
it's a lot harder. I canalso now because of COVID auditioned on I
mean I have an auditioned in personand I don't know also because I was
on Riverdale. But at least sincetwo thousand and sixteen, Wow, the
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technology has changed things. Yeah,And in some ways I like that I
was just having a conversation with anotheractor. In some ways I like it
because I don't have to just befucking brilliant on my first take. Do
you know what, I can actuallyget a second take, Thank you very
much. And I can send whatI send, just like you would on
a set, right, you getmore than one take, But it's also
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harder because you don't have anything towork off of sometimes and you don't have
that live energy, right that theenergy in the room too, they got
back. There's benefits and drawbacks toboth, I would sounds exactly. Yeah,
So tell me what I thought thiswas cool. You started one of
your first roles with the Chevy Chase, and then you were working with Chris
Rock kind of the kind of theSNL Cream of the Crops. Yeah,
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hey look at that. Yep.Yeah, what was that like going into
a franchise? I like saw thatactually was jas was one Tobin Bell who
was on season two of twenty four, which is very cool. What was
it like going into that? Imean, you facing off, you were
that, you were the captain andyou I remember there's a scene where you
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walk in and you tell all theguys basically shut up and do it truth.
I thought that was I thought itwas a great scene. I loved
it. That's shut it all downand they all did, which I thought
was beautiful. And then you goup against certainly Sam jack Samuel L.
Jackson and Chris Rock. I mean, how was that? I loved that.
First of all, I was alittle like, the soft rands are
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hardcore, like hardcore, yes,yeah there, and probably not as hardcore
as twenty four, but they're vocaland we have Twitter and Instagram now,
so now I get to hear them, do you know what I mean?
Where I didn't before? Right,So that was a little like, Okay,
how's this going to go? Andthen I'm like, this is not
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a comedy. This is a horrorfilm, right and Chris Rock is starring
rock? All right? Okay,okay, so but he was. It
was great. My very first scenethat I shot at all on the film
at all, I think was mescreaming and literally showing him a new asshole
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in that. Yeah, that's thefirst thing. And I was just like,
I think I turned him. Iwas like, I'm sorry, and
then just went and we got alonggreat, and like shooting behind the scenes
was like being at the front rowof a Chris Rock concert. That was
fantastically, right, That was fantastic. It was just jokes left and right
and dah in the middle of exactlyand he's a total pro and he really
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since you know, he's like hewanted to do. He wanted to make
it good. He wanted his heartsin it, like he was producing it,
was putting his name on it,and it was I admired the ship
out of it because he risked somuch. Absolutely absolutely, I think he
done just done Fargo at that pointbecause he was He was brilliant too.
It hadn't aired yet, okay,okay, so not Yeah, so he
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didn't know. He had no feedback, no nothing yet from an audience,
and then came into spiral and I'mstill hoping. It was supposed to be
a three picture deal. So we'resupposed to have two other ones, two
flashback films. I say, youreally wouldn't be in the sequel, but
if you do a prequel, you'regood, and I hope that they do.
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It was really sad that whatever thenew regime was at Lionsgate kind of
released us like good luck, likelike okay, here's covid go release in
theaters. It was like, hey, right, but it's found its base
and I'm and I'm I'm you know, better late than ever. Yeah,
it seems it seems like it's fightingits fans. Yeah, it was rightly,
Yeah, I mean again, justyou. My wife's question was,
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I said, do you have anyquestions? He said, what's it like
working with Molly ringawall, you know, it's really cool working with I do
have to say. As you're talkingabout my career, I'm like, wow,
I've worked with a pretty cool people. That's so cool. But the
one I noticed was Injustice. Ididn't realize it was the King's Oh yeah,
The Good Wife. I love allthe shows that they do. I
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didn't. I didn't even know theyhad a show before before The Good Wife,
I know, and I was like, boy, Maris has worked with
everybody. You are you are Im dB, Yeah, it's been nice.
Nick van Dyke, I worked withDick van Dyke, Wow, amazing.
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But Molly Ring, Oh, Mollywas great. It was I was
such a fan girl when she came. I was like, ah, that's
Molly. Yeah. You know.I always get like that, though I'm
the worst. I got that withlike that with Chris, I got that
with Sam Jackson, I got thatwith Kiefer. I just I'm an actor,
so I don't show it so much, right, but inside I'm oh,
my god, this is so cool. You know that kind of thing.
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I'm still that girl. That's agreat way to be to be a
fan. Absolutely, yeah, completely, oh yeah, absolutely yeah. We
saw we saw Molly but just beforeCOVID she was doing a concert and we
drove up to see it. Shetold me that she sings, and I
never so nice, that's so approachable. Yeah, it was great. She
is very cool, like at theend of the day, a mom and
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a great chick. You know,what would your advice be to, uh,
students in acting schools who want toget into the acting business. Do
you have advice? Uh, somegood career I do. Yeah, Like,
don't don't spend your whole life inclass. Just I have a very
different way of thinking and go outand act. Throw a rock, like
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move to Chicago, move to NewYork, moves to to wherever there's theater,
and throw a rock an audition forplays, and audition for plays,
an audition for place. Because youyou it's like writing. You can't be
a writer without writing. You needto act and you need to act in
front of an audience, and youneed to get that feedback from an audience,
so you learn how to hone yourcraft. Don't pay attention. That's
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why I'm like, look, inschool, it's a grade. It's the
professor who is do you know whatI mean? The audience is your judge.
That's your judge, that's your persongrading you. And there's no better
school of hard knocks than being infront of a live audience and learning,
learning how to do stuff. Andit's just it's a great playground, just
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a playground because at the end ofthe day, people get so serious.
Especially that's what some schools just getvery very serious. There's no creation in
seriousness. There fucking isn't. Sorry, at the end of the day,
acting is playing right. It shouldn'tbe like there's research, but the research
should be fun, right, thecreating a character that should be fun.
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It shouldn't be hard serious work.And when it becomes that, it's no
longer playful, and it's no longerspontaneous, and in my opinion, it's
no longer it's no longer creative.And incredible moments come out of creativity and
just flying by the seat of yourpants and figuring it out and going for
it and it's exhilarating. And somy advice is, don't forget to play,
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don't forget, don't lose that exhilaration. Go out and chase that and
you'll you'll find your way. Wow, it will work out. Your passion
for what you do just comes throughas you talk about it, like it's
just so evident that you enjoy it, that you love it. What's your
favorite thing about playing other people?I think telling stories. I read all
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the time. I read every singlenight. I read every single night on
my on my like literally on myphone, and then I pull up the
Kindle app and then I turn offall the lights and then I read and
dark on the Kiddle app. Ilove stories, love stories, And so
the best part about about creating anew character is being a part of another
story and you and again, youcan't do it without an audience. So
I just go good house. Theaudience going to like this, Who's going
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to see this? It's that it'sa two way thing, do you know
what I mean? It's a dualuniverse. And so I just really get
except I didn't whenever I get achance to play in something like that,
and I know there's going to bean audience there in a big way to
receive it. So you know it'sfun. You've got a new film coming
called Winter spring, summer fall.I want to make sure I get those
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in order. Yep, preparing.Can you tell us a bit about that?
Yeah, it's It stars Jenna Ortega, who is like the one star
in the world right now. She'sWednesday for everyone who's listening. Yeah,
and it's a really sweet film.It's written by I got into it because
I had a I'm sort of movinginto the producing realm, and so I
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had a television series that I washelping produce that I'm still now taken over
with a friend of mine. Butthe writer director of that film, Tiffany
Paulson, a writer that had writtenthis TV series that I was doing.
So that's how I end up likedoing that role. So as a female
director, is her first time directing, which I love. She's a writer,
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amazing it. She's justled and likedirecting is a whole different thing.
Like that's where you need to beserious, that's where you need to have
to work with your homework and everythingfigured out and you're hard work in But
and she did, and she reallydid, and I really loved that experience.
And then Jenna at the time,you know, Jenna's just was at
the top of her Yes, thetop. But at the end of the
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day, it's a really sweet,romantic comedy. And I got to stretch
my comedic chops as a sort ofoverbearing psychotic mother, which I think is
funny. Is so so I likedoing. It'll be fun, that'll be
fun cool. What made you getinto producing and would you ever direct?
I would direct. I'm a betterproducer. Again. I've never directed,
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but I am kind of a director, which is why I make a good
producer. Again. I love stories. And it's very hard as an actor
because you're at the whim of writersand producers, and lots of producers sometimes
don't know what they're doing, orthey get a taste of something great and
(35:05):
then they change everything right, andyou can't change everything, Like what worked
was what worked, that's what peopleliked. Don't go change again, just
do more of the same. Andas an actor, you're at the mercy
of all of that. And Igot really tired of being at the mercy
of all of that. You know, or the producer in the room that
just got the job, and it'slike going to change things just because you
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know he has to justify his paycheck, or or you know, the person
make their mark exactly. The writeras a vendetta against so and so and
so they put it in the scriptand it has nothing to do with the
story and it ruins everything. LikeI got tired of being effect of that.
So and I love stories, soI'm constantly finding new stories and I'm
like, Ah, this has tobe a show. Oh, this has
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to be a movie. Oh peopleneed to hear about this. And so
that's how I got into developing andproducing his finding stories and buying the rights
to them, and then putting togetherwriters that I've worked with throughout the years
that I admire and love, anddirectors that know how to tell story.
So it's a really fun, funpart of the game. You know,
excellent, excellent, And and you'repodcasting. I always try to do my
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research before I'm going to talk toa guest. And I went and I
looked and found your Usually I findinterviews that other people do, but I
didn't realize you had a podcast untila couple of weeks ago. And yes,
I'm telling I started with the CarryCasem discussion that you had. It's
called Marison Nichols Podcast. Everybody needsto find it. Everybody needs to check
it out and share with their friendsand their circle and everything else, because
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I'd listened to that one first andit just broke my heart. And it
just when I was talking about howart can put you in a position where
you understand something better than you didbefore. I've seen film for me,
film have done that, music havedone that where it's like I don't really
understand the situation, but I understandit better, right, or I can
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learn from somebody else's perspective. Canyou tell us about that podcast? So
sort of in my other life herefor the past almost a decade now,
I've been off and on as anundercover informant working with law enforcement both here
in the United States and abroad indifferent countries, and I use my acting
(37:22):
skills to basically take down pedophiles andinfiltrate human trafficking rings and help to get
women and children out. Wow,because I don't. First of all,
I'm an actor, so I canplay different roles and I can play what's
needed. And I have my ownnonprofit for human trafficking. So I'm very,
very very familiar with this world becauseI've been doing it for I mean
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since twenty twelve, since I firststarted hearing about it. And so with
that unique skill set that I'm honoredto have, it allows me to get
into places that you know, otherscan't essentially, and so when I partner
with different organizations or governments or whatever, it's obviously very secretive. I'm obviously
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guys, I'm obviously have different Ihave a different voice and different look and
depending on the character that I'm playing, and the podcast is helping me spread
the word about not only ops thatI've done, and we show undercover footage
on there that I've taken literally frommy iPhone, as well as my partner
Tim Ballard and all different ops thathe's done, and then I have different
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experts on to mainly educate anyone ineveryone about what this is and why it's
such a freaking big deal, andwhy it's everywhere in America, in every
single city. And it doesn't matterif you're black or white, or rich
or poor, it doesn't matter.It affects everyone. And so my goal
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is to protect, you know,the vulnerable women and children from falling into
the hands of these people. Andso I try to educate them on the
pitfalls and tell them what it's likeand what it's about, and teachers and
everyone, and we've been doing itnow. We just finished our first season
and we're about to start a secondand it's going very well. I'm really
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proud of the work that we're doing. And the Carrie Caseum interview that he's
talking about to the audience is becauseeveryone always asks me, why in the
hell do you do this? Becauseit's really dangerous. I mean, it's
really fucking dangerous. I'm not actuallykidding. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I'm
a room full of cops and that'sreally easy, and all I have to
do is jump on the phone.Well, I mean twenty four was make
believe. This is a make belief. This is the real deal, where
(39:35):
we really have safe houses and wereally have escape plans, and we really
have burner phones and all of thatreal stuff. And it's very I'm not
going to lie, it's very terrifyingwhen I do it, And so people
always ask, why in the worlddo you do this? How did you
like it? It's I guess incomprehensiblewhy I guess someone would put themselves I
(39:58):
guess in harms if you don't haveto. But to me, I'm like,
that's what cops do every single day. That's what law enforcement day,
right when they're doing these things.So I have a high respect for that.
So the interview with Carrie Case,I was finally like, Okay,
good, I want to tell thestory. I'm gonna explain why and why
I care about this and what happenedto me as a kid and and how
I grew up and here you go. But I wasn't going to do it
(40:21):
in an interview for a reporter tomake headlines out of it, right.
I didn't want that, So Iwas going to do it on my terms,
you know. So that's that's thesecond episode. The first episode is
me and my partner, Tim Ballard, who really explains like, hey,
no, this is these are thisis what me and Marris all have been
doing. Tim's FORMAC and that's OperationUnderground Railation Underground rail Road. He's former
(40:44):
CIA. Yeah, and he's amazingand he's the one who taught me everything
that I do and he's my partnerwhen I do this. So the first
episode is me and him sort ofspilling the beans on everything that we've done
together to a degree we just didto it. And then the second episode
is the interview on why in theworld do I do this, So yeah,
please tune in just google Marisonical podcast. But if you can, people,
(41:07):
please watch it on YouTube because Ishow all the footage there and it's
it's visual as well as as audio. I found that episode was a good
starter, and then I went backand listened to one of the tim and
then have followed. But it reallyit's it's yeah again. I sometimes I
can listen to about half of itand I have to take a break and
just cry. And just like likeI said, to feel it, I'm
(41:31):
trying to make you feel it.No, no, no, it's it's
it's again. The passion that youbring to us talking about your acting career
is the same passion that you bringto and so as you talk about it,
we understand, at least I understandlistening to why you do what you
do, Why why somebody would runinto a burning building and good, which
(41:53):
is basically what you're doing. You'rerunning into a burning building. And I
part of my part of my life, I do social media talks to high
schools and to I talk about socialmedia safety and being careful with your information.
And there's times when I go intoa high school when I feel like
there's just a wave where I'm standinglike I'm standing in front of this this
(42:13):
this massive wave, and it's it'sso much, it's overwhelming. But I
have to do it. And sowhen I listen to you, I understand
why you have to do it,because you see the urgency, you see
the need, you see you seeyou see stuff that none of us see.
Right during your during your ops,which we're actually having Instagram on.
(42:36):
We just literally had a big meetingwith Meta, with Instagram and Facebook and
we're getting the person on that putsall the safety protocols in Okay, yes,
on the podcast, because I wantit to be from other people's mouths,
not just mine. I always talkabout it on the podcast, but
it'll be really nice to hear fromMeta directly. But please tell your students
to tune into the podcast because weput everything there specifically for the absolute they
(43:00):
know what. So thank you,thanks very much, Oh thank thanks for
doing it. Thanks for doing it. It's again, as a guy,
we need to somehow be in itwhere we understand or start to we'll never
fully understand, but where we canstart to get a glimpse of oh my
gosh, like this is this isso much it's so prevalent, as you
(43:21):
said, it's it's everywhere. It'sabsolutely everywhere and in fact, and it
affects everybody, whether people want toadmit it or not. Anything else that
we didn't cover that. Yeah,we're gonna, we're gonna, I suggested,
start to open his mouth. Sodid you want to say something justin
Yeah? How it's with with technologychange in these days in an audience is
(43:42):
viewing habits changing from from like twentythirty years ago, with technology changing,
how hard is it to measure thesuccess of a of a movie or TV
show? Or is it easier?Is it harder? Like like, how
do you kind of measure success withthe audience of interesting? Yeah, I
(44:04):
think honestly because of social media wordof mouth. When something is trending,
you're like, oh, people reallylike it, Like it's literally word of
mouth. It's our new word ofmouth. It's no longer Nielsen boxes or
box box office. Yes, butalso but more word of mouth when you
hear from your friends or you seeit on Twitter, you see it on
(44:25):
TikTok or Instagram, like oh,so also like oh look at that.
Oh it must be really I thinkI need to check it out. So,
I mean, honestly, through throughtechnology is how it is how and
it's also really nice to get immediatefeedback just personally as an actor, like,
oh my god, I love itwhatever it is. I do read
(44:45):
those things like we do care.We do read them. I do at
least, And it's really I loveit, do you know what I mean.
I'm like, oh, good,yeah, people like it, Like
that's what I care about. LikeI said, it's a too, it's
a two. It's a dual universethere, you know. Yeah, so
I like it. I just heardthe interview Steven Spielberg when he was saying
how encouraged he is by streaming.He said, because there's shows that you
(45:05):
would never see ever again, butthey're gonna be on Disney. Plus they're
going to be part of the catalogsomewhere you can find most shows you can
find somewhere streaming somewhere out there.I know. That's why I was surprised
as you watched The Gates. Iwas like, how did you watch The
Gates? I don't even know.Oh I had I think I had the
digital recordings from years ago. WhyI yeah, Oh I love that show.
(45:27):
I'd love to I'd love to seethat that story told after it was
fun really where it was left.Yeah, absolutely well, thank you very
much, thank you so much forYeah, everyone stopped doing such a good
(45:53):
job. It's just it's too much
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