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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Finally the weather hot. We got a heat advisory to
a onesday, had eight air quality alert until Onesay at midnight,
So it's hot ninety seven hot high today, Sunday skies overnight,
muggy in seventy one, partly cloudy tomorrow with a chance
at evening storms ninety six for a high. Another muggy
seventy one overnight, and on Thursday, we're gonna have a
sunny day, slight chance of storms after two pm, going
up to ninety seven, closing out at seventy three. Time
(00:23):
for final traffic Chuck from the UCL Traffic Center R.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
At the UC Gardner Neuroscience Institute, you can access the
leading brain, spine and nerve experts right here in Cincinnati.
Heavy traffic sathbound seventy one from above Fields Urdle Pass.
An accident at Red Bank left shoulder to the lateral.
That's over an extra half hour. Sathbound seventy five break
lights in and out of Lachland northbound seventy five A
(00:47):
had an extra twenty minutes between Turfway and Town northbound
four seventy one backs to Grant inbound seventy four. Getting better,
chuck Ingram, I'm fifty five KRSC the talk station.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
A forty eight fifty on carec DE talk station. In
a very happy Tuesday to you. This is gonna be great, folks.
There's nothing great about osteoarthritis. But I have doctor Matthew
Berkie and he's been on the program before. He's one
of the great doctors at OHC, my cancer doctors. But
we're not talking about cancer today. Doctor Burkey, who's radiation
on collegist, led the initiative for my friends at OHC
(01:21):
to offer this treatment for folks suffering with osteoarthritis. It's
called low dose radiation therapy.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Great to have you in the studio. What a fascinating topic.
I'm sort of glad we're not talking about cancer. Is
enlightening is everything you bring to the studio when we
talk about cancer and your developments and treatment protocols. But
you can deal with people's osteoarthritis with this radiation.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Therapy for sure. Yeah, it's great to be here, Brian,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So the same kind of radiation machines that can deliver
radiation for cancer at much much lower doses, we can
deliver radiation that is actually in time inflammatory and con
treat oste arthritis.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now is this all brand new? I mean, is this
some kind of like, oh my god, we just discovered
this kind of thing, because I'm literally not that I'm
a genius on this kind of stuff, but never heard
of the concept.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I don't blame you. It's something that's not been
very common in the States, but it's not new. It's
something that's been used for decades, more so in Europe,
but in the past five or ten years it's been
gaining a lot more traction to be used in more
places across America, and we're trying to bring it here
to Cincinnati to make sure that people have another option.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, I know you, and I know the folks at OHC,
and you wouldn't be bringing this technique and this methodology
to the practice if it wasn't demonstrably beneficial. There have
been studies on this, I have to imagine for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There have been large studies with thousands of patients looking
at how effective it is and how safe it is. Overall,
it's something that is about seventy percent effective. That means
seven out of ten patients can benefit from it, which
is pretty good. In terms of response rates compared to
things like injections, and it's something that's very safe as well.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So you said injections on immediately thinking of it like a
knee or a hip. My dad had to have both
replaced at one point in his life, but I remember
him going through that injection protocol. Is that the kind
of you know, a treatment you would use on a
knee or a hip or other areas where people might
be struggling with ostriroathritis.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So this low dose radiation that we use can
be used in almost any joint in the body, so hands, knees, hips, shoulders,
even the spine.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now how quick does it take to notice a change
for the better? You say seventy percent effect effective, meaning
on like a spectrum. Are you going to be cured
or is it reduced pain? Or how does that work?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So it's not something that's going to cure you or
it's not going to turn your knees back to twenty
year old knees. So if you've got bone on bone,
it's not going to stop that, but it can reduce
a lot of the inflammation that's being caused by the
breakdown and the joints. So we look at seventy percent effectiveness,
meaning that the pain is going down or you're not
requiring as much pain medication in better quality of life.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Well, getting rid of pain medication is one great benefiting
of itself because we all know what a problem that is. Now,
who's eligible for this? Is it just literally anybody who
has a diagnosis of osteoarthritis.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it's got to be osteoarthritis. So it's not people
with roomors forid arthritis or autoimmune problems that are causing
their arthritis. But the typical wear and tear arthritis that
you think about. And we're typically treating older patients, you know,
around fifty and above currently, but certainly it's something that's
available to a lot of people that suffer from this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Thanks you just threw me into an older people category.
I really appreciate that doctor. That was fun.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm right there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow, what is the treatment? Ento? I mean, how many
is this? Like one and done? You gotta do multiple sessions?
And I also want to ask considering this is radiation therapy.
I know some people who've got you know, knees plural
and hips plural and other areas where they have osteothritis
can you treat all those areas and the same visit,
(04:54):
So how's the process?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, good question. So typically this is done over five
to eight treatments, and they're done on days that aren't
back to back, so typically over a two to three
week period. Each treatment's pretty quick, maybe ten or fifteen minutes,
and we typically start seeing response where people are having
reduction in pain maybe halfway through their treatment or toward
the end of their treatment, so it's not an immediate
(05:16):
type response. And to your question about number of joints,
there are many patients where we've treated multiple joints at once,
so you know, both knees or things like that. We
can certainly do that and save time overall.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, So using it's safe to do multiple locations in
the same visit is really kind of what I'm trying
to correct. Yes, I hear radiation, and I think lead
vests and you know, doing all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So yeah, it's a reasonable thing to think about. But
the radiation that we use for arthritis is kind of
fundamentally different than the radiation we use for cancer because
it's orders of magnitude less intense, and it has different properties.
When you're using these very low doses.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
All right, And the number of treatments obviously depends upon
the patient and how they're responding to it. Correct, Okay,
And how what's the length of time in between treatments?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So typically it's maybe two or three treatments per week?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh oh in a week?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Correct, So maybe like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday treatment schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So you could have the whole battery of treatments done
in two weeks. Correct, Just spoil down, correct? All right,
just real quickly, how describe how the radiation works to
control and deal with this off the austereothart is pain?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, it's a great question. So at its heart, it's
anti inflammatory. So at these very low doses per day
the radiation instead of you know, using it high doses
where it is used to destroy cancer cells. When you
turn the dosage way down, you have anti inflammatory effects
on the cells in your body kind of your immune
system that are causing kind of a cycle of irritation,
(06:47):
and it's kind of turning that off at multiple points
in the cycle. So the same idea as medications that
are anti inflammatory, or even joint injections that are like
steroids that are anti inflammatory. It's working on the same
pathway to try to reduce inflammation.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, since this sounds new to me, and I'm sure
a lot of my listeners are going, this sounds what
I want to try. That is it considered standard of
care now, because you said Europe's and doing it for
decades and it's only landing in America now, and you'll
here at OHC.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It is it's not considered experimental. No, it's not experimental.
It's in insurance companies guidelines. It's covered by the insurance companies.
We've not run into any trouble yet. And more importantly,
it's got a lot of solid data behind it with
patients both in America and in Europe that have been
treated and thousands of patients showing effective, safe care.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, I know I have a lot of folks in
my listening audience dealing with aust WHO authority. If you
have filling, your phone's going to be bringing off the
hook today recognizing this dreamdent is out there and available
thanks to you bringing it to OHC and of course
my listeners eight eight eight six eight hundred eight eight
eight six eight hundred, and you want to learn about
it more about OHC and of course, I thankfully turned
(07:56):
to OHC after my cancer diagnosis. Find them online at
oh care dot com where we have all the information.
Doctor Berkie, it has been a real pleasure learning about
this awesome new treatment. I'm glad you're able to bring
it to HC and my listeners.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Thanks for having me. Always good to be here.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It is always a pleasure having you on. You always
give me an uplifting information, especially in a subject matter
that is typically so bleak covered. At eight fifty six
fifty five Cars to det Talk station you may get a
chance to listen. George Runna been talking about the meeting
tomorrow night at the farm with the Congressman Warren Davidson,
and a special podcast at just Producing for Congressman Davidson
involving the audience participation details of fifty five cars dot com,
(08:32):
my conversation with tech editor Colum Medine from Breitbart, and
of course the Daniel Davis Deve Die fifty five kr
sea dot com. Get your iHeart media while you're there.
Ten and tomorrow if a judge, Ennitor Politano and I
have a wonderful day, folks. Clenpex coming right up. The
twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Vice President Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm clapping. You don't have to. I'm fifty five KRZ
Finally the weather hot. We got a heat advisory to
a onesday, had eight air quality alert until Onesay at midnight,
So it's hot ninety seven hot high today, Sunday skies overnight,
muggy in seventy one, partly cloudy tomorrow with a chance
at evening storms ninety six for a high. Another muggy
seventy one overnight, and on Thursday, we're gonna have a
sunny day, slight chance of storms after two pm, going
up to ninety seven, closing out at seventy three. Time
(00:23):
for final traffic Chuck from the UCL Traffic Center R.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
At the UC Gardner Neuroscience Institute, you can access the
leading brain, spine and nerve experts right here in Cincinnati.
Heavy traffic sathbound seventy one from above Fields Urdle Pass.
An accident at Red Bank left shoulder to the lateral.
That's over an extra half hour. Sathbound seventy five break
lights in and out of Lachland northbound seventy five A
(00:47):
had an extra twenty minutes between Turfway and Town northbound
four seventy one backs to Grant inbound seventy four. Getting better,
chuck Ingram, I'm fifty five KRSC the talk station.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
A forty eight fifty on carec DE talk station. In
a very happy Tuesday to you. This is gonna be great, folks.
There's nothing great about osteoarthritis. But I have doctor Matthew
Berkie and he's been on the program before. He's one
of the great doctors at OHC, my cancer doctors. But
we're not talking about cancer today. Doctor Burkey, who's radiation
on collegist, led the initiative for my friends at OHC
(01:21):
to offer this treatment for folks suffering with osteoarthritis. It's
called low dose radiation therapy.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Great to have you in the studio. What a fascinating topic.
I'm sort of glad we're not talking about cancer. Is
enlightening is everything you bring to the studio when we
talk about cancer and your developments and treatment protocols. But
you can deal with people's osteoarthritis with this radiation.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Therapy for sure. Yeah, it's great to be here, Brian,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So the same kind of radiation machines that can deliver
radiation for cancer at much much lower doses, we can
deliver radiation that is actually in time inflammatory and con
treat oste arthritis.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now is this all brand new? I mean, is this
some kind of like, oh my god, we just discovered
this kind of thing, because I'm literally not that I'm
a genius on this kind of stuff, but never heard
of the concept.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I don't blame you. It's something that's not been
very common in the States, but it's not new. It's
something that's been used for decades, more so in Europe,
but in the past five or ten years it's been
gaining a lot more traction to be used in more
places across America, and we're trying to bring it here
to Cincinnati to make sure that people have another option.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, I know you, and I know the folks at OHC,
and you wouldn't be bringing this technique and this methodology
to the practice if it wasn't demonstrably beneficial. There have
been studies on this, I have to imagine for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There have been large studies with thousands of patients looking
at how effective it is and how safe it is. Overall,
it's something that is about seventy percent effective. That means
seven out of ten patients can benefit from it, which
is pretty good. In terms of response rates compared to
things like injections, and it's something that's very safe as well.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So you said injections on immediately thinking of it like a
knee or a hip. My dad had to have both
replaced at one point in his life, but I remember
him going through that injection protocol. Is that the kind
of you know, a treatment you would use on a
knee or a hip or other areas where people might
be struggling with ostriroathritis.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, So this low dose radiation that we use can
be used in almost any joint in the body, so hands, knees, hips, shoulders,
even the spine.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now how quick does it take to notice a change
for the better? You say seventy percent effect effective, meaning
on like a spectrum. Are you going to be cured
or is it reduced pain? Or how does that work?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So it's not something that's going to cure you or
it's not going to turn your knees back to twenty
year old knees. So if you've got bone on bone,
it's not going to stop that, but it can reduce
a lot of the inflammation that's being caused by the
breakdown and the joints. So we look at seventy percent effectiveness,
meaning that the pain is going down or you're not
requiring as much pain medication in better quality of life.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Well, getting rid of pain medication is one great benefiting
of itself because we all know what a problem that is. Now,
who's eligible for this? Is it just literally anybody who
has a diagnosis of osteoarthritis.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it's got to be osteoarthritis. So it's not people
with roomors forid arthritis or autoimmune problems that are causing
their arthritis. But the typical wear and tear arthritis that
you think about. And we're typically treating older patients, you know,
around fifty and above currently, but certainly it's something that's
available to a lot of people that suffer from this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Thanks you just threw me into an older people category.
I really appreciate that doctor. That was fun.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm right there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow, what is the treatment? Ento? I mean, how many
is this? Like one and done? You gotta do multiple sessions?
And I also want to ask considering this is radiation therapy.
I know some people who've got you know, knees plural
and hips plural and other areas where they have osteothritis
can you treat all those areas and the same visit,
(04:54):
So how's the process?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, good question. So typically this is done over five
to eight treatments, and they're done on days that aren't
back to back, so typically over a two to three
week period. Each treatment's pretty quick, maybe ten or fifteen minutes,
and we typically start seeing response where people are having
reduction in pain maybe halfway through their treatment or toward
the end of their treatment, so it's not an immediate
(05:16):
type response. And to your question about number of joints,
there are many patients where we've treated multiple joints at once,
so you know, both knees or things like that. We
can certainly do that and save time overall.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, So using it's safe to do multiple locations in
the same visit is really kind of what I'm trying
to correct. Yes, I hear radiation, and I think lead
vests and you know, doing all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So yeah, it's a reasonable thing to think about. But
the radiation that we use for arthritis is kind of
fundamentally different than the radiation we use for cancer because
it's orders of magnitude less intense, and it has different properties.
When you're using these very low doses.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
All right, And the number of treatments obviously depends upon
the patient and how they're responding to it. Correct, Okay,
And how what's the length of time in between treatments?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So typically it's maybe two or three treatments per week?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh oh in a week?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Correct, So maybe like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday treatment schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So you could have the whole battery of treatments done
in two weeks. Correct, Just spoil down, correct? All right,
just real quickly, how describe how the radiation works to
control and deal with this off the austereothart is pain?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, it's a great question. So at its heart, it's
anti inflammatory. So at these very low doses per day
the radiation instead of you know, using it high doses
where it is used to destroy cancer cells. When you
turn the dosage way down, you have anti inflammatory effects
on the cells in your body kind of your immune
system that are causing kind of a cycle of irritation,
(06:47):
and it's kind of turning that off at multiple points
in the cycle. So the same idea as medications that
are anti inflammatory, or even joint injections that are like
steroids that are anti inflammatory. It's working on the same
pathway to try to reduce inflammation.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, since this sounds new to me, and I'm sure
a lot of my listeners are going, this sounds what
I want to try. That is it considered standard of
care now, because you said Europe's and doing it for
decades and it's only landing in America now, and you'll
here at OHC.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It is it's not considered experimental. No, it's not experimental.
It's in insurance companies guidelines. It's covered by the insurance companies.
We've not run into any trouble yet. And more importantly,
it's got a lot of solid data behind it with
patients both in America and in Europe that have been
treated and thousands of patients showing effective, safe care.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, I know I have a lot of folks in
my listening audience dealing with aust WHO authority. If you
have filling, your phone's going to be bringing off the
hook today recognizing this dreamdent is out there and available
thanks to you bringing it to OHC and of course
my listeners eight eight eight six eight hundred eight eight
eight six eight hundred, and you want to learn about
it more about OHC and of course, I thankfully turned
(07:56):
to OHC after my cancer diagnosis. Find them online at
oh care dot com where we have all the information.
Doctor Berkie, it has been a real pleasure learning about
this awesome new treatment. I'm glad you're able to bring
it to HC and my listeners.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Thanks for having me. Always good to be here.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It is always a pleasure having you on. You always
give me an uplifting information, especially in a subject matter
that is typically so bleak covered. At eight fifty six
fifty five Cars to det Talk station you may get a
chance to listen. George Runna been talking about the meeting
tomorrow night at the farm with the Congressman Warren Davidson,
and a special podcast at just Producing for Congressman Davidson
involving the audience participation details of fifty five cars dot com,
(08:32):
my conversation with tech editor Colum Medine from Breitbart, and
of course the Daniel Davis Deve Die fifty five kr
sea dot com. Get your iHeart media while you're there.
Ten and tomorrow if a judge, Ennitor Politano and I
have a wonderful day, folks. Clenpex coming right up. The
twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Vice President Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm clapping. You don't have to. I'm fifty five KRZ
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