Ep. 52 Amen or Amon-Ra w/ You're Missen The Point

• In this episode, Hank, Kyle, and Drew Missen explore the origins of the word "Amen" and the subsequent consiquences of it's alternative meaning.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back for another episode
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my good brother, excellent co host chef Kyle in the house.
What's up, my brother?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, just just sweating, just sweating, just sweating. It's hot.
Mann is.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
At full operating temperature outside.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Dude, it really is.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
It really is, not only outside but in my house.
My real quick, real quick, little fun fact. My grandma.
I was on the phone with her and I was
just I wasn't I was bitching, I guess and just
saying it was so hot. And so she I got
a package in the mail the other day and she
got me and the family.

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on TV.

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Saves thousands on your ace, your electricity bill. And she
then she asks me the next day like, oh, how
did it work? And I didn't have the fucking heart
to tell her that it was the most It was
a waste of forty bucks and.

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It was good if good meant blowing hot air.

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I wish I had two more hands. Oh I could
get that ship both on stamps.

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Seriously, man, it comes with like a little filter you
dip you dip it in the water, you soak it,
you freeze it, and it's kind of maybe like three
or four degrees lower than whatever the temperature of the
hotnesses in the house, but you know, yeah, it's hot, dude.
I'm getting the AC unit next week, so I'm only

(01:57):
going to be bitching for the next couple of days
and then I'll be sitting and.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm going to try to make this house like mister Freezes.
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let's go, let's go. Well, I hope your arrogants fixed soon, man,
because I know we uh we uh both don't get
too much reprieve it work from the heat, and it's
definitely not fun when you're when you're not getting paid
to be high.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So yes, obviously.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Send us to prayers that way for you much. So
I guess we should get into while we're here. We're
gathered this evening for an episode, and we were lucky
to have Drew missing back on with us, our brother
from down Under, the Redheaded Wonder the the I don't know.

(02:54):
I was gonna try to come up with something, but
I couldn't think of anything that riding with Aussie that
was beautiful. Well, we love you Drew and we had
a discussion about the word amen. You know, it's a
highly theorized word that maybe it comes from more of

(03:18):
an Egyptian background, maybe it doesn't. And I think we
had a really amazing conversation a lot of things that
not only you, but I learned from Drew. He'd come
up with some amazing research, like like he always does.
And I know we kind of get off of the

(03:40):
topic of the word amen, but it kind of stays,
you know, all relative to the major conversation at the end.
But I couldn't have been more pleased with how the
episode turned out.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Man, it was.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I left it with a better foundation, at least of
the word amen than when I went into it. Like,
you know, I thought I understood, you know, I thought
I had a grasp on what it meant, where it
come from and stuff. And he he provided some excellent

(04:19):
theories and possible I guess, okay call fact you know,
quote unquote facts, but evidence will say that maybe it
had some very different origins than what the church different
churches like to teach. But it was it was really awesome, man.
What'd you think about it?

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Though?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, I kind of was a little quiet,
and I asked some questions here and there, and that's
because of the lack of Bible knowledge that I have
as I am working on that. But I learned actually
a lot, not only on the origins of Amen, not

(04:59):
only bi but also in the Egyptian context. But yeah,
I didn't know what the tabernacle was, so that was
really cool I learned about that. And then, funny enough,
a couple of days later, I heard another show and
the Tabernacle was brought up, and it was it was
cool for me to be like, I know what that

(05:21):
is because I and I always thought that the Tabernacle
to me kind of sounded it sounded like a what
I had in my head of the tabernacle was like
a stone, like a stone slab that had like scripture
written on it. I don't know why, but that's originally

(05:43):
what I what I thought. And yeah, I was sadly mistaken,
and I learned a lot, and I had an absolute
blast that this is going to be a show I'm
gonna have to go back and re listen to a
few times and take some notes for sure, for me
at least, because again, and I'm biblically illiterate and I'm

(06:05):
working on it, but yeah, it's definitely one of those
things that I'm gonna have to go back and I
think I think the listeners are going to enjoy it.
It's again very informative. Drew Misson always brings the fire
and he definitely came prepared for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, it's definitely one that I'm looking forward to re
listening to. I kind of fell out of the rhythm
of listening back to the episodes that I post, but
this is one just on what Drew had to bring
to the table alone that I feel like I'm definitely
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Hey, here we're going another day in the life baby.

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With the California was next to a water source. I
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ever done against America's with California. We sent a bunch
of our eucalyptus trees over there because they're drought tolerant.
But you neglected to realize that after twenty or thirty years,
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(17:00):
trolley level one thousand.

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I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I did not think that was like Britain's comeback for us,
like giving on the the fuck you over fourth of July,
like back in seventy six. We just said no, we're
not doing this, and then they were like, huh, okay, yeah,
you can have your land, but it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I didn't know that, Drew. You learned something new every day,
and since we're learning something new, I figured we could
uh have a good old discussion, one that's probably had
been had more times than any one of us can count.
We're gonna talk about the word Amen, and I think

(17:53):
by the end of the episode we could hopefully come
somewhere out on the other side of this tunnel with
a little bit, if nothing else, more understanding of the
background of the word, how it came to be, not
really out here trying to change people's minds or anything,
just provide information. But Drew, our wonderful, wonderful man that

(18:16):
is Drew. God, your beard is just so mesmerizing. I
know what I want to say, and then I get
looking at get to looking at your beard, and it
just melts away.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I just I.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Know, right, dude, I wish I had a beard like that.
I'm jealous, But uh, you're gonna be coming at us
with some information regarding the Egyptians that you found, and
you're gonna be prodding that that idea around and and
I'm going to try to come at this from a

(18:47):
quote unquote biblical angle. What do theologians Christian theologians specifically
have to say about this? What are some common definitions
that if you just googled it, you know, stuff like that.
So I don't really know where to start with all this,
other than the word amen is something we've probably all

(19:10):
grew up, you know, I don't if you've grown up
anywhere near the church, you know that's that's a word
you say without second thought at the end of your
prayer or as a exclamation of joy or praise. You know,
you see it in the movies of how people. You know,
you can use amen in a lot of different ways,

(19:31):
but you kind of already you get the general sense
by the time you're grown that the word is something
positive and how could there ever be a negative connotation
to it? And with that being said, that kind of
leads us to drew what you're going to provide us
with tonight.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
So I'm not really either way on this. I went
into it looking at it a historical perspective, trying to
tie it back to biblical theology, and what what I
found in doing this was that when you look at
the importance of Ourmen and Wyat's kind of come out
of the Egyptian dynastic periods and why it's so important,

(20:11):
you ultimately end up nuking one of the most important
stories of the Old Testament in the Torah. It completely
flips the whole idea of what we considered to be
the Old Testament and how we understand it. And it's
kind of got me to a point where I'm thinking
that after Genesis and the Flood, that there's a story

(20:32):
that was deliberately inserted into the Old Testament to kind
of garner some control and power throughout the rest of
the ancient world, and it's kind of become this bigger
than grandiose story. I'm going to have to go back
a little bit in the lead up to what our
Men means in the context of this and how it
applies today. A lot of people don't realize that ancient

(20:55):
Egypt wasn't ruled just by Egyptians. There was a group
called the Hicksi, which were a people from the Levante region,
So they were a Semitic speaking people from the north
northeast of northwest Surry. So they've come from Canaanite. The Canaans.
They came over, they took over northern Egypt and they

(21:16):
ruled northern Egypt for a very long time. They were
ethnically the Levant, the Semitic people. They ruled and coexisted
alongside the Egyptians from the sixteenth to seventeenth dynasties and
were based in an area called Thebes that was their capital.
So they weren't a foreign power that came in and
set up their own shop and brought their own culture

(21:38):
with them. They invaded and deliberately took over everything and
adopted the culture of the Egyptians. They called themselves Pharaohs,
and they chose to choose a deity as their singular
god over all the rest of the Egyptian gods, and
they chose Seth, which is the donkey headed god of
the underworld for the Egyptians. So we've got this people
that arrived, these Canaanites, who didn't bring their own culture.

(22:02):
They completely subverted and took over all the culture of
the land they took over, and that sounds very similar
to some people that we hear about in history quite
a bit. Someth's going to refer to them as Canaan arts,
because that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
They all are.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
The Hisos they ruled from the year from the eighth
from the seventeenth to the sixteenth to seventeenth dynasties, but
eventually the Egyptians pushed back, so warfare between the Hixsos
and the pharries of the late seventeenth dynasty culminated in
the defeat of the Hixos by a pairah called Armos

(22:35):
the First, who founded the eighteenth dynasty, and from then
on the Hiksos will always referred to as a bloodthirsty
foreign rulers. This all occurred three thousand, six hundred and
seventy four years ago, by the way, so we've got
this big expance of time for this story to take
place and then words to change and meaning to evolve

(22:57):
over time. The expulsion of Hisos correlates to another event
that happened two hundred years later, in which a group
of lepers led by a priest called Osarf were expelled
from Egypt and abandoned. They there then allied with the
Hixos to rule over the Egyptians for another thirteen years

(23:19):
before being driven out a second time. This Asparius priest
later changed his name to Moses. So we can see
how this historical precedent of a foreign Semitic people in
Egypt being expelled mirrors in a lot of ways to Exodus.
Whereas the one what we're told and we're here about

(23:42):
is that the Hebrews were the slaves of Egypt, and
they left, and they through the miracles of God, they
were able to stop Pharaoh and they could leave. That's
what we're told. The historical president is the other way around.
These were a foreign occupying force who stole their culture,
stole their identity, and were then forced out by the
native Egyptians. Later on, there's the story of the priest

(24:06):
who lines up with Moses. But more importantly, we don't
see any kind of historical evidence that the Hebrews were
actually slaves in Egypt. We don't have any archaeological evidence
of forty years wandering in the desert with tens of
thousands of people that would leave a pretty big trail mark,
and lots of left behind relics that they'd show camp sites.

(24:30):
Where I'm coming from on this is that we have
a Canaanite tribe who left Canaan, went into Egypt, took over,
were expelled twice. It's almost as if they failed and
then after their failure, were forced to return home. And
when they did return home, their ancestors, their people who

(24:54):
they left behind, had already established a different kingdom to them,
so they couldn't just integrate back in. Being an evil
kind of occupying forces they were. What do they do
as soon as they head back home, they try to
take back over. I think that's what we see in
the Old Testament of Moses re entering Kana. And it's
not so much that the story that we tend to
take on as Christians that Yahweh told Moses to wipe

(25:16):
out these tribes in Kana because they were evil and
they had bloodlines tainted to buy the form and ones.
I think it's more of a tale of warring factions.
Just because they were killing evil people doesn't mean they
weren't of evil people themselves, and that ultimately this story
has been inserted into the Torah, into the Old Testament
to kind of get away with some over the top

(25:38):
kind of shit, and it's a really uncomfortable place to
come to and to start to nitpick and question your
belief about scripture. Am I saying this is one hundred
percent accurate, not by any means. I'm just asking you
to entertain the idea of how we suddenly went from
Genesis the flood, in which God was referred to as
Al and then we get into the Exodus period and

(26:03):
God suddenly goes from a name change to Yahweh. If
you look at the historical context around Yahweh, Yahweh was
a Babylonian god of metal, urging and copper, and we
see that replicated in the Exodus story in which when
he sits on Mount Sinai and the Hebrews Israelites are

(26:23):
making deities and the golden calf and whatnot, he tells
Moses to go down and make his own emblem, his
own totem, which ends up being a copper snake, which
is interesting in the fact that Yahweh is this depicted
in the Torah as being avengeful, warrior, divine being, but

(26:46):
also has dragon like features where smoke pours out from
his nostrils. And fire from his mouth, and he resides
in a tabernacle that's of amazing size, and he's often
given food and sacrifices to sustain him. It almost sounds
like as if the Yahweh, the entity that Moses encountered,

(27:07):
wasn't really God as we think of it, but might
have just been a fallen deity who tried to take
over this tribe of Canaanites and use them as his
own purpose to war against his own fallen brothers and
sisters back in Canaan. I'll stop there, because that's a
lot that I've just thrown at you.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I can.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Only imagine how Carl feels because he does it. And
you know, it's no disrespect to you, my brother, but
you just don't have the scriptural knowledge like you. You
won't raise in the church. I would, at least from
my crazy breaking sect of Christianity. I know what they

(27:49):
teach about the Old Testament, and that is a horrible
bomb that you just on the story of Moses. No like,
because like, there is so much that hinges on the
story of Moses and the Hebrew people, not necessarily Moses specifically,

(28:15):
He's just part of this this story of this chosen
tribe of Hebrews, because if they're.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Well, it gives the idea what it does because that's the.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Foundation, literally the foundation of almost the entire Old Testament.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, in a lot of ways it does this.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Some of the most transformable moments in the Old Testament
happened in that period.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It's a it's a massive story. When people think of
Old Testament, that's the one story they got. Well, sure, yeah,
they glance over Creation, Genesis, Adam and Eve, the flood,
that's kind of all small little stories. But the big,
hard hitting stuff and the story and theology is what
happened to me is Moses, and it's set up the
Chosen People, it sets up the Holy Land. A lot
hinges on it, which tends lends me to think that

(29:06):
maybe that's the inserted story. Because if you take out
that that entire story, does it change Genesis? Does it change,
Adam and Eve? Does it change? But it changes.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It changes a light. It changes a light to the
point where Christianity as we know it folds in on itself.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
It's it makes you ask some very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
A lot of the organized religion can no longer exist
because their doctrine doesn't exist anymore. That's where I kind
of feel thankful to not be tied to one title
of Christianity. I don't even like the word Christian. I'm
not a not a christ Jesus wasn't a Christian. I'm
not a Christian. I'm just a follower of Jesus, the

(29:50):
man who I know his name wasn't Jesus. But hopefully
he knows who I'm talking about, because I mean, I
think I do, but like I don't know if that
made sense, but you know.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I think that he does. So he said it in
his own words. I know your heart, and I know
those who can be safe you come through me, and
He's turned you never knew you.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's just but it's the when you when you take
this story of and I know this is kind of
a I want to say it's a sad tangent, but
you're completely set on the table for the discussion, and
it's beautiful because Jesus said that he came not to
destroy the law, but fulfill it.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
And and we know that he re established what it
was because the Pharisees had added and manipulated so much
of it already.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
We already, we already.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Know the Pharisees had done that, Hank, how do we
not know that some elements of the Old Testament weren't
deliberately inserted or reworded. We know the Hicsos existed, We
know that there were Semitic people in Egypt that weren't slaves,
that were oppressors and invued. If you want to tell
history that you will the victim imply the victim card.

(31:05):
You might get that you with the slaves and you
left and you saved yourself. That sets you up on
a pretty good standing point.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Starkly, sure does, Kyle, What do you think about that?
Just this this far?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean, you know, a lot of a lot of this, yes,
is over my head. I'm just I'm kind of new,
you know me.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Anytime you got any questions, ask them both.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No that that there's still
there's so much information at this point that I don't
even I am My brain can't even.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Fucking make up a question if I wanted to. But
I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the conversation.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
And I've been, like recently, I've been even last night,
I've been trying.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
To pick up the Bible, like more and more and more.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'm a big fan, and I don't want to get
too far off topic, but I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Have you guys, have either of you checked.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Out the Epopium Bible that has the eighty eight books.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's like my go to, that's my go to.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I got, I got a pdf on my phone, and
I really enjoy just when I have like downtime instead
of like doom doom scrowing like I normally do. It's
kind of just flipping around on Instagram for hours after
hours and.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Minutes after minutes whatever. I've been kind of digging looking
further into into the Bible. But anyhow, with that being said,
like I'm very interested in this conversation and I'm curious
to see where this is going.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
To go because I have heard different ideas and thoughts
on the word Amen. Amen, however you would like to
pronounce that? So I'm excited. I'm I'm not going to
be as loud and voisterous as I usually am, as
I'm going to be learning. So but anytime I have

(32:58):
any questions, best believe I'm gonna be I want to
be shotting them out.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Sure, I just didn't want you to go like another
twenty minutes, just not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
No, no, I'm just dude, I'm listening, like I'm taking
all this in, Like that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
And you know, I've heard you know, Hank doing doing
shows with you and when you when you get all
you get.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
All crazy and talking about the Bible.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
And I've heard Drew multiple times on multiple shows going
over this. It's a lot for me to take in
because again, I didn't grow up in the church. I
didn't grow up with any of this stuff, so a
lot of some of this stuff goes over my head. However,
I have been doing Bible studies and so and we're
just going through Genesis right at this point. So this

(33:45):
is all going to be really useful knowledge for me,
and I think it's going to very so understand.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
What we're talking about is very soon like Genesis and
then Exodus is the next book, and what we're talking
a lot about, what we've been talking about is going
to start taking place in Exodus. Okay, Okay, it's like
you're not too far down the road from being.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's beautiful and I and I got my I got
my my my Bible, right here, So if there's any
one of my many Bibles actually, which is kind of funny,
I have like eight or nine Bibles, but I'm like
so clueless on a lot of the things.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
But I have that.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
But you have to as a Christian because there's so
many denominations and so many translational interpretations, so many versions.
Like you said, the Ethiopian Bible includes all the missing
books that mainstam Christian Bibles do not have. So it
gives you extra biblical sources that the church says you
don't look at. And that should be a concern that

(34:40):
there's these older texts that aren't looked or even considered.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And being being that we're going to be getting into
you know, Egypt and and and that. Like one of
my and again I don't want to get too far
off topic, but one of my favorite I'm not my favorite,
but I would say very.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Interesting book is the Book of Jashure.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
For me has just like blown me away looking into that.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And I kind of feel like I'm cheating of it
because like I haven't like opened up the Bible and
started from start to finish.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I kind of bounce around like a madman. They've never
been diagnosed.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
There's this if you're gonna look at Jasha, look at
the original Hebrew accounts for Sodom and Gomora, and then
look at the Christian versions, say how vastly different they are?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
One of the PDFs that I have right now, it
actually breaks down. It has it in Hebrew, and then
it like it has it in it like the English version,
but then it also has it like translated in Hebrew.
It's still English, but it's still more on the Hebrew side.
And then it actually has it brooked in in Hebrew,

(35:55):
which I obviously cannot read. But I've noticed a lot
of the times, like when I do my Bible study,
I'll pull.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Out, you know, my King James, I have what's here?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
This is the I have the amplified Holy Bible, so
it kind of breaks things down a little differently.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
But I'll pull out all three Bibles, and when as
we're glossying over certain things, I'm like, do all three
of these are different? Like the wording, and they're they're
very similar. They are very similar, but there are certain
things where I'm like, this says this, and this kind
of says kind of like it's a big big difference,

(36:32):
big difference.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's not just changing like you know, the adjectives or
or whatever. It's it's a significant difference in how you
read it and how someone that is not very not
very well versed in the Bible, it could make a
big difference on how you interpret that.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Yeah, and if you look at the why that the
names have changed, and you have to remember that even
the Old Testament is a collection of multi different books
that have been correlated together. And this is where I
tend to think that the Book of Exodus was based
on true events, but the event, the details, and the
names of people have been changed, you know that kind

(37:12):
of a modern kind of a like a story about
that you intelliged, like a dramatized verse, thank you, it
was all escaping me, all these biblical names of you.
It's it's a dramatization of event and that has happened,

(37:33):
but a lot of it was changed for purpose. The
name change one is big. A lot of people would
know the word aloheim, and alohem in its baseline translation
means gods or godlike entities. So you apply alohem to
the nepheline all these types of entities that are more
spiritually adept than what humans are. God in the earliest

(37:55):
versions of the Torah and the Old Testament was always
referred to as Al and then later on him because
of Exodus, he started to be called Yahweh. I think
they're different entities because of this, But you look at
the angels that are associated with God, Mike, Kale, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Cephael, Judel, Barachel, Jeremael.

(38:17):
They are all of the house Al. They're not like, yes,
they are all Al. So we've gone from this al
top tier god of the Semitic peoples to suddenly having Yahweh,
which we know through Babylonian Sumerian script doctrine, was a
god of metal urgy and was actually quite aggressive and

(38:40):
feuded with his brothers and sisters and they're pantheon. So
this tells me you look at the actions of this
god or entity in Exodus. He's angry, he's jealous, his
people were kicked out of Egypt. He kind of took
them on as his own personal little army, and his
goal was to go back home where these brothers and
sisters had set up shop and he wanted to take over,

(39:01):
and he did it pretty successfully.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
But at the same time, these people he's trying to
lead to do this keep worshiping bail, Yeah, keep getting
pulled to the super start worshiping. It's basically molecer bail worship.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
And he's it's making him angry and angry at each time,
so much so that in Exodus he forces when they
he sends the spies into Canaan. The first time they
come back and they tell them all these things, He's like, Okay,
well you're going in there with an army and you're
killing them all. And a lot of the men are like, oh,
hang on, they're giants in there. We can't possibly fight

(39:35):
those things God. So Hiahwe turns around and goes, fine,
no one gets the Holy Land. You have to go
back into the desert. Your children will have to wander
for forty years. What does that do? That removes an
entire generation worth of knowledge yep, that these people know
what they're going into. He spends forty years molding and

(39:57):
shaping an army of youth to then take them back,
because all the people who were against him have long gone,
they've died.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
And then and then what does that army become capable
of marching around a city and blowing a horn and
then walls fall down. So they were using which it's
been theorized that which what I'm referring to, Kyle is
when they they marched around the city of Jericho for

(40:29):
several days, and they would do almost like this procession.
They would march and play trumpets and shout and do
all this stuff. I think they were banging drums. I
could be mistaken, but like they did it like God
told them, do it like this, and then on the
last day, you're gonna hit this note at this point

(40:52):
in time after you do this march, and you'll be
able to get into the city. And they did it,
and the walls felled out of the whole city because
like back in the day, the cities were walled fortress,
like you know what I'm saying, Like it wasn't oh
you could just ride in like it was walled up.
The walls fell down. So it's been theorized that they

(41:13):
were using frequencies to weaken the wall, and that on
that last day, that final blast was at a certain
frequency that it resonated enough that it just shook the
place apart.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Does this have anything to do with I'm hoping you
guys can feel a thing because I don't know the
exact name for this, but a few years back I
went to visit family up in northern Communefornia and my
aunt had.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Ye it was like a horn, you know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yes, that's still used today in most juda judaistic religions.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Have anything to do with what you were just do.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yeah, So the idea is they took those rams horns
and they would blow them around Jericho, and a lot
of people look at that through a technological lens, thinking
that was maybe some kind of acoustic weaponry that would
vibrate the walls at a frequency to pull it down.
Which you know, a lot of Christians always talk about
the film having this technology that they use to conquer

(42:24):
people and rule their tiny kingdoms. This sounds like fallen
technology to me. True, it could be completely wrong.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
But absolutely it's but it's definitely not that far of
a reach, especially when you just framed it in the
in the way that assuming that this the deity that
told them to go marching hill for forty years, basically
to go kick rocks for forty years to remove the

(42:52):
knowledge of a generation. When you frame it like that.
I mean, if they were dealing with a fallen entity
and not the Creator, well, it leaves.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Him with a loyal army of children's.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Soldiers that knows things that nobody else probably you know,
at least not the ones that are the good people,
Because what have we been told our whole lives is
you know, we're not as as a Christian, you're not
supposed to do that.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
No, that's a no, no.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
You're not supposed to do esoteric.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I'm going to read just a few bits of scripture
from Samuel twenty two and Exodus, and let's see if
this lines up with what you would assume an omnipotent,
omnipresent God would be, or whether it's a tangible creature
of some description somewhat metaphysical.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Where are you are you?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
In first to Samuel twenty two, so seven through to sixteen.
In my distress, I called upon the Lord and cried
out to my God. He heard my voice from his temple,
and my cry entered his ears. Then the earth shook
and trembled, The foundations of heaven quakened and were shaken.

(44:11):
Because he was angry. Smoke went up from his nostrils
and devouring fire from his mouth, the foundations of the
world were uncovered, and it blasts from his breath and
his nostrils. So this could be God, because it could
be God coming down with his glory. But we know
that there's creatures in mythology that breathed smoke and fire

(44:32):
and are quite large, quite physical, that would shake the
earth if they landed on something. Exodus nineteen and eighteen
and Mount Sino was altogether on a smoke because the
Lord descended upon it in fire, and the smoke thereof
ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole
mountain waked greatly. So it can go one of two ways.

(44:56):
This could just be the glory of God. We don't
know what a god like entity would look like when
presented to humanity, but if you put it in the
context of this as a physical, vib breathing type of creature,
could be construed as a as a dragon. And it's
quite concerning because in Revelation the dragon is depicted as
being Satan or the deceiver, and we're seeing a reptilian

(45:19):
figure leading a people out of Egypt, the Hixous people,
to then go and wage war against their own kind
back home. The last bit, Ah, here's a great exodus
twenty thirty three and twenty And he said, thou can't
not see my face, for there shown no men can

(45:42):
see me and live. And the Lord said, behold, there
is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon
the rock an entity so amazing, so powerful that if
you look upon him you will die. This could just
be the glory of God, or could it be something
that's so horrifying it would and still be in the
hearts of man.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, because I've always been taught that it's simply because
his presence is just like I've always imagined. It was
more of a dealing with a level of raw energy,
which very well could be absolutely not like in some

(46:25):
kind of maleficent kind of way, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
that's probably not the best word right there. I'm now
I'm picturing in picturing that woman from Disney h tomb writer.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
What's her name, Lorier Croft, No, the actress Angeliae and
Julie that's the one.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
But like it's been, it's just like, I'm sorry, his
presence is so powerful that it would literally disintegrate, you know,
what I'm saying, like, we physically can't withstand being in
a physical body in his presence because it'd be like

(47:10):
trying to stand inside of the blasted Nagasaki or something.
You know, it's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
But this is where my common sense kind of question
would be, if you're the the omnipresent, omnipotent god that
created the universe everything mankind, would you not have the
ability to make sure you don't disintegrate one of your
greatest creations.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, I think when it's at a point where because humanity,
I think has always prodded him to truly show himself
not you know, because he's always you know, through the
scripture shows him using and an abundance of whatever is
as a medium. But we've always just been like, nah, dude,

(47:52):
just like come chill for a second. I take a
load off.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
And he's just like, all right, dude, I'm gonna tell
you it's not gonna be good if I come down there.
My come in the same breath that like every time
an angel shows up in the bubble, is I hate
to chill here to help.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Don't be afraid.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Don't be afraid, My man well this.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
And this is where this is where you get a
lot of the ancient alien people trying to get into this,
the Aloheim worship cult, where they think that the angels
of the past and the gods were aliens, and that
Moses when he came down from out Sino when he
was white and he was essentially it describes radiation poisoning.
So there was some kind of an energy that was

(48:35):
given off by the interaction with Yahweh that did that.
So was this some kind of technological thing, is a
spiritual thing? Who knows? But the point I'm trying to
get across is that there's something physical happening. It's not
entirely a spiritual idea. And the last little part I
wanted to get to is the tabernacle. And a lot
of people would know the tabernacle is the large tents

(48:57):
in which God would dwell in when with his reel
lites after Exodus, and they would give offerings to the tabernacle.
They will put food, they will put fat down, they
would give offerings to it, and they would disappear.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
So real quick.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
So the tabernacle you're seeing was like a like a tent,
like a like a structure.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Like a large structured tent.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So he okay.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
So Yahweh instructed Moses and the Israelites to build a
tabernacle within their tent city, and each night he would
dwell in it, and the Israelites know he would be
there by the smoke that was billowing out of it.
And no one was allowed to go in. No one
was allowed to go because, like Hanket said, no one
can look upon the glory of God without dying.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Now they could go in the Holy of Holies.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Yeah, the Holy holies. The interesting thing is all the sacrifices,
the office, the offers they would give him would disappear,
so either someone was taking them or Yahweh himself was taking.
The interesting part is when they went into Canaan and
they started to sack and destroy a lot of these
cities and towns, not all the time where they completely

(50:00):
wiped out a lot of Christians go with the perspective
of God went in. Hammer and Tong wanted everyone white
from existence because they were fallen. They had to be destroyed.
That only cappened on a few occasions. The rest of
the time they took things. They took cattle, sheep, bison, donkeys, virgins, gold, silver,
and they were expected to share that plunder with yahweh.

(50:24):
What does a god need with gold and sacrificial virgins?
What does that line up with mythological stories of dragons
in the Western cultures? Of dragons eating virgin maidens and
princesses coveting gold, residing in.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Mountains reminds me of like crampis we did. I mean,
we did a show over here and when we were
talking about crampers and the tree and then gold and silver. Okay,
I see where you're coming from.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Interesting, I am getting to the RMN part. It's a
long road, but I'm getting there.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
You've got to set this foundation new, I've got to
set the tone up.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
So we've got this entity, for whatever reason, has taken
control of these people, using them as his own personal army.
He cots, covets gold, maidens, sacrifices, is extremely jealous of
the people when they start worshiping other deities. He seems
to make decisions that are a complete stark contrast to

(51:30):
the word of Jesus later on the New Testament. But
what we're getting to is it's a point of an
entity that is very egocentric, whereas what we find as
Christians for the New Testament is that we will preach

(51:52):
the word of God, but we don't lead people into
our house. We have to has to be opened to them.
People have to find their own way, and we offer
them the old branch. They come to us, then we
can offer our thoughts and our beliefs. This is complete
contrast to what that is. Here's the interesting part with Amen.

(52:12):
After the Hixsos expelled were expelled by the Egyptians, we
saw a big change in the belief systems of the
Egyptian gods. So this is how Amen ties back into it.
After the rebellion of Thebes against the Hixos with the
rule of Armas, the first Armun acquired national importance, expressed

(52:33):
in the fusion of the Sun god ra as in
Armor Rah on his own, and he was also thought
to be the king of the gods. So we've got
Amen that we say at the end of every prayer.
We've got the exodus or the expulsion of these people
who tried to take over. And not only is this

(52:53):
word Armun very similar to Amen, it's of the Sun god,
and Rah was a son of one of the king god,
the king, deity, god of the Egyptian pantheon, Rah was
his son. He's literally the son God. Is this some
kind of esoteric coding in that story that we use
our men today to show that maybe God helped the

(53:17):
expulsion of the Hixos and the story that we're told
kind of flips it on its head. You know, history
is written by the victors. Well, in this case, maybe
history was written by the losers and they just wrote
it in such a way that they have a great
publicist and that kind of turned the whole story on
its head.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Wow, it's a.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's really, in a way, not a fun good exercise,
because it would not be a surprise, especially in Western
cultures today, to find out that yet another thing we
do that we think is completely sanitary safe is the

(54:09):
exact opposite. And it's it's weird because when you look
anywhere online about the word, unless you're specifically looking for
the esoteric ties, you know, if you're just looking strictly
as a as a Christian as it were, you're going

(54:33):
to find the same answer. You're going to find the
same story told a thirty different Like, dude, don't steal
my homework. You know you can copy my homework, but
you got to change the answer, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Like, But the question is, do we have to think
even if Men is sourced from the Egyptian pantheon and
is a reflection of that, can we can we go
down the thought train that it's not a negative thing,
And what if there was pre emptying of Armen and

(55:07):
armun as being a precursor to Christ, not actually Christ existing,
but the idea of Christ. Because if you've got the
bad guys kicked out of a nation that were being
ruled over and occupied by a force that was led
by fallen ones and they were kicked out, what if

(55:27):
our Men actually does have significance for Christians is not
necessarily a bad thing. I think we tie ourselves down
to it's a pagan culture, so all of it's bad,
which in a lot of the times, Yes, a lot
of the deities do line up with other supposed Nephelene
types of gods that we come to associate with Christianity.
But our Men in this context of it's the sun god,

(55:49):
it's the god of a son of the king of
the pantheon, it sounds a lot like Jesus not saying
it was Jesus, but as following the same parent else,
it's a positive thing that came out of Egypt after
they kicked out the oppresses.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I agree. I agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
And because I have heard that like the more like
the negative connotation of saying like amen, amen. But as
you said, as we were talking earlier, and Hank had
mentioned something about Yashia and ask like, I hope that

(56:29):
he understands like that, I'm whatever name I'm using, I'm
talking about him, right, And then Drew you had made
a comment after that, and you said, like you it
was something based off of scripture that like he knows
your heart.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
So I think that whether you're saying.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
When you say amen and you're ending a prayer, even
know there could be like again like an esoteric like
negative tie to that. I think that he knows that
you mean. Well, that makes sense well.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
And energy where intention goes, energy flows right if you've
got good intentions about it. And a lot of Christians
will say that's not good enough, because if you're channeling
into something that's nefariously dark, it kind of throws the
whole baby out of the bath water. It becomes a
useless prayer. But if we're going down that type of
level of splitting hairs, we need to look at the
actual name of Christ in the Bible. His name wasn't

(57:33):
Jesus Christ, that's all we know him as well. It
was a Manuel, There's Jeshua, Yeshua. There's five different possible
names you could have gone by, and we don't really
know because we weren't there. So we have a level
of trust not only within the Bible, but with the
historians and the theologians that they have done their due diligence.

(57:54):
That's where I think, really it does come down to
where your intention goes, energy flows, and if you have
good intensions, like you just said, he knows your heart.
He might have sitting up there. He's got my name
wrong for the fiftieth times this week. But yeah, he's
a good guy. He's fine.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I got you. I want to I want to circle
back to what you were.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Saying earlier that.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
The the armun Rah character that we know came about
after the the quote unquote Canaanites the Hicks as after
they were dispelled the second time.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yes, so he was he was already a prominent god
in the pantheon, but he was elevated after they were
they were kicked down the second time.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
So Ra was always there, or so Ram was always there.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
So Munra was like that maalgamation of two two potential gods,
or a god that was kind of elevated.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
And you said that these Hicksos people stole the culture
of the Egyptians, right, they did. So this this group
of Hiksos that we could we could can we safely
say that they would translate into the biblical group of

(59:24):
Hebrews that were following through Exodus and the Old Testament.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
There's some theological arguments about whether they are the same group,
but if there is a very clear identification that they
are of the Levante region, so they are Semitic peoples. Okay,
some people would say that these were an Arab tribe.
A lot of other people say that these were Canaanite tribes.
And we know the Canaanites are still Hebrews. Just the
deviation between the two blood lines.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Well, I hate to break it to the people that
want to argue that there were Arabic tribes because Jews
aren't white.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Well, if you look at the pictures of these Hiksos,
they do not look like the Egyptians. The Egyptians had
in the of hieroglyphs have the very very dark olive
skin like the ocre that's mixed onto them. You look
at the hiksos and images, they look very almost European.
And I'll find a picture and I'll send it in
the chat here. Well, you would just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Think that somebody had growing up in the because I mean,
for all intents and purposes, Israel's in the Middle East. Yes,
it is that I don't see white people being natural
to that region, which is an interesting because.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
The Egyptians themselves were more Caucasian than anything else. That
skin colors that we see depicted are more from the
ochre skin covering that they.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
If they weren't, then how did then how did uh
uh Cleopatra ever pass? Because she was a Greek, a
redheaded Greek princess.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Yes she was a Macedonian.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, yeah, the great condition quick side tangent. But all right,
so let's let's just quickly go go on a idly
enough unintended a leap of faith here. And let's say
that the hick Sauce are the indeed the tribe of Jews,

(01:01:19):
but they are Hebrew Jews that we're reading about in
the Old Testament. The theological definition of amen is that
it was, at least by the Hebrews of the time,

(01:01:42):
was used as an exclamatory or an exclamation more than
it was just every day, you know what I'm saying,
a casual word you used in conversation. It was specifically
reserved for their prayers. And that's a word of reverence

(01:02:03):
that they used. And most of the definitions that you
will find for it will mean like truly verily. But
I was always taught in in the Church of Christ

(01:02:27):
that it meant so be it or something of that nature.
So maybe that's of the same ilk and I'm just
splitting hairs on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
It would it would kind of tie what I'm trying
to get at is it would tie into that notion
that you had that maybe maybe this group did steal
it from the Egyptians, this concept of amen, and then
through the generations of this Hebrews into the Jews that

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we read about in the Bible, they they melded it
into something positive that was able to be used in
reverence of the Creator instead of something that was being
used to exonerate one or two different deities it because,

(01:03:27):
like you say, intent is everything. And if it only
took one generation for the god, the God of the
Old Testament to remove us enough knowledge from this same
group of people to where they were all gung ho
about going into an impossible war, then it's not a

(01:03:51):
stretch that through the same amount of time that you
know that the same could have happened in the opposite direction,
you know, I mean, look at look at what the
Nazis did with the swatsticka overnight. Basically they took a
whole culture. The whole cultures exist. It's worth of you know, Tom,

(01:04:18):
using what we now know is the swats sticker and
flipped it on its head. And that's what it's forever
known now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Hundreds of thousands of years. And that's a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Was a universal good sign is now forever going to
be associated with the not just bad but the worst
of evils.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, yeah, you're not going to get no good looks man.
You're walking down the street with any type of swastika apparel.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Indian, oh Asian. That's the only way you'll get away
with it. I don't know, White fellas can't get away
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean depending on where you are, because
down here in the town that I grew up in,
you Kaypa, California, which big country from whiskey beery conspiracies
can attest to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yeah, at one point, I don't go there very often,
but it's like it was a thing. But that that's
that's the culture that was in this town. It was
all you know, Doc Martin's with your red laces and anyhow. Yeah,
I don't I don't subscribe to any of that ship myself,
but I knew a lot of people and it was

(01:05:30):
kind of a let's just say this, when Antifa rolled
through the town, they didn't stay very long. Yeah, they
got ran off fairly quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
But anyhow, if we're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
To again go out on a leap of faith and
assume what you've postualized about there being an inserted fallacy,
a fallical story into maybe fallical is not the right
word there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
I'd call it an inversion of the story. Something legitimately
happened was an invert where I think that's part of
the deception.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
If you even had an answer for this, because I
don't know if you've looked into it that deeply, But
where do you feel comfortable drawing lines on where that
story can start, like where do we where can we
feel safe saying, Okay, this is the beginning and the
end of this false story, but the rest of this because,
like you say, if we're throwing the baby out with
the bathwater and then then the whole Bible cover to covers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Bad I tend to don't. I don't think the whole
Bible can be thrown out or the tour of the
Old Testament.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Genesis is something there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Genesis, this is pretty reliable. The floods, I think is
spot on because we've seen historical accounts of a global
flood that's happened in the world. I'm a very strange
Christian where I use science as a method to prove
God's creation. So we had the end of the Younger
Dryce period in which the ice caps in northern Hemisphere
and melt and flooded all the coastal regions of the world.

(01:07:02):
That sounds like a global flood to me. So that
lines up what we see with Exodus. Has historical accounts
that counter the actual story that's told. I don't think
it dismisses anything of it. If we look at the
New Testament, when Jesus confronts the Pharisees and he says

(01:07:22):
that their father is the Father of lies. He accuses
them of worshiping the devil, and the Pharisees, as we know,
historically added extra laws to the Mosaic teachings, and God,
in multiple accounts said would say to people when he's preaching,
Moses said this, but I say this. Moses said that,

(01:07:43):
but this is what I say. He had to reinterpret
the teachings of Moses because clearly the story of Moses
and Exodus was an issue within the scriptures. He didn't
talk about the garden creation. He didn't have to nitpick Noah.
He had to nitpick the story of Moses and the

(01:08:03):
Mosaic teachings. Oh, Esis, we've got there's a good chunk
in the middle around Exodus, which makes up a huge
part of the Old Testament, the story everyone knows of
the Prince of Egypt, all this wonderful stuff that's put
out into mainstream media. That's the contentious story. The contentious issue.

(01:08:25):
Elements elements over there accurate. I think the intention is wrong.
Then we've got New Testament Genesis on either side. I
think we've got some really good buns on this hamburger,
but the patty on the inside might be a bit rotten.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Well, I'm asking because there's a lot more after Exodus
that is in the same Yeah, vain, like the entire
song of Solomon, like the entire story of Solomon as
wilds and dude was straight.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Straight of sorcerer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
He was a source of bup.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
And this is what I mean, Hank, You've got when
when the Canaanites returned home and they conquered their old lands,
the kings of Judea. You look at what they did.
It was pretty horrific. And some of the things that
they communed with, we would say today are demonic entities.
He bound gin. Gin are an entity, according to Islamic scriptures,

(01:09:29):
far older than angels, far dark, and far evil than
anything else. Yet he bound these entities with the magic
ring and had him build a temple for him. Now,
if you were to go into your your Sunday church
and walk in and the priest says, oh, come sit
down the pews a demon built that, would you feel
comfortable sitting in a building or a dwelling built by

(01:09:49):
evil entities? No? Pass This is dumbing that no one
seems to really question much when it comes to Solomon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
And and it kind of I mean, I understand a
Christian response to this would be, well, well, hen gets
in there because it's a warning? Was it in there
because it was a freaking like almost a user?

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
God? On?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Hey, you could do this too, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
You know what I like in this too? The Old
Testament and New Testament and the stories the books that
are within it. You know how you watch a series
of movies and you start off with the original actor
that they may he plays iron Man. It's Robert Downey Jr.
He's iron Man for a couple of movies. Then they
replacing him halfway through, and then he comes kick for
the Lady Ones. Yeah, if they're replacing the God in

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certain stories with someone else who isn't God, And that's
where you can see the differentiation and the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Do you think that the authors of the Old Testament
at the time genuinely didn't know that they were being duped?

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Possibly not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
But if that was the case, how was it passed
all this time and he ever caught it? You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
And that's kind of a bit and it's a if
you look at the role of the Pharisees themselves. They
deliberately changed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
The word because because Jesus despised the Pharisees, and we
know that through the New Testament, so he ever came
close to hating anybody, it was the Pharisees he got.
He actually lashed out. And I'm sorry to keep interrupting,
but like it is his his outward just loathming of
these Pharisees. Was Jesus lost his ship on these men

(01:11:32):
came in and started flipping tables and said, get the
fuck out of my temple. Like Stone Cold's music dropped.
He was whooping ass dude, like Jesus showed out in
front of the Pharisees like that was like those people
really were pissing him off because they had the majority
of this of the populace believing what they said. But

(01:11:54):
they had done gotten too comfortable in their position and
they started thinking them so bills almost like the Savior
hadn't come yet, so they are the Savior. And to
you know, pretty much they got comfortable with thinking that
they were implored it basically, and started taking scripture into

(01:12:15):
their own hands. And yeah, when Jesus came around, he
was mad, he did not like it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
But yeah, we know that historically and theologically, you've got
the precedence of the Pharisees changing the word and manipulating
it so it suits their own purposes. We saw that
the time when they were being held in Babylon, Talmudic
practices made their way into their faith. So if we
can agree as Christians in a lot of aspects that

(01:12:43):
the word was changed by the Pharisees, there was Talmudic
judaism and Babylonian black magic that was inserted to it.
What's to stop a little bit earlier on the same
thing happening and at being inserted into their oldest books, Because,
like you said, we've pointed out an example, it only
takes one generation to rem knowledge. If you're at the
power hierarchy, the structure of these synagogues or these groups

(01:13:05):
these temples, and you're the holy men, and you want
to set a new narrative, you just insert it in
the book and then you teach everyone from there on out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
It kind of explains the seemingly uns illogical rhythm of
Genesis itself, because you read the first three or four
chapters of Genesis and you got this nice, pretty picture

(01:13:34):
and I'm so grand and then chapter six rolls around
and it's like your balls deep in demons and shit,
and how did that happen?

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
And it would explain a lot like why you really
have to if we're to believe these extra biblical scriptures
that I think really most of them probably probably do
have a lot of credit. It's just that the Roman
Catholics decided that they weren't for us. I think that

(01:14:07):
they add a lot of Greek context to what possibly
I believe was taking out of Genesis, which very well
could have been done by the Pharisees.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Well, they they were already inside the Roman Empire for
quite years, so what interests they have in Rome? Behind
the reformation of the Church. I think what we do
is Christians, we take the Bible as gospel. It's a word.
It's what we've found find our religion. That's our basis,
that's our rock. We'll take things literally as it is

(01:14:40):
written in the Word with there's faigen angels, there's giants
upon the earth. We take this at face value, we
believe that, but when we look at aspects of it,
say describing Yahweh as a literal dragon, smoke fire, having wings,
residing the tabernacle, all these things that lend you to
believe it's not the same entity. That's when Christians will go, oh,

(01:15:01):
that part's just metaphor. Well, we can't pick and choose
these things. We can't take what we like and say
it's one hundred percent true. Then the things that challenge us,
we can't say that's a metaphor, that's just a saying.
That's a way of understanding things. Either we take it
all as it is written, and we have to be
we have to look at our holiest books with a microscope.

(01:15:23):
We have to pull it about, we have to question,
We have to wrestle with God to understand God, because
we're in the humans. And this is a word that
was a oral language story for tens of thousands of
years before it was ever first written down. So we've
got this whole space of time in which words have changed,
definitions have changed, translations have changed, that things could deliberately

(01:15:47):
have been added in for nefarious purposes. And I think
if we think that the Bible is completely void of
human interaction, human corruption, we're a little bit naive. You're
muted there, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I think that's kind of a big thing because, like I,
as I stated earlier, I just picked up the Bible,
I don't know about five years ago, and I haven't
gone like super I'm working on it right. But one
of the biggest things for me growing up that turned

(01:16:26):
me off from the Bible was exactly what you just
said to is that, like I always took it in
the sense that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Like, who wrote it? How many hands did this have
to pass through to get approvals? Word changes, definition changes?
And it led me to believe for a long time
like it's bullshit. And it wasn't until I was in

(01:16:56):
like a really deep depression.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
That I was recommended the Bible. And at first I'm
this like, like that's what I need. You're telling them
that's what I need. That's gonna and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
And you know what, it really did help. It really
did help. And and now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I god, I don't I don't know, I don't even
know the right the words to say what I how
I'm feeling right now. But now I'm a lot more
open minded into it. And I think it helps for
me at least because I do like digging into.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Conspiracy. I like, oh, I like just to question things, man.
And and it's really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
If it wasn't for like the Book of Enoch, I
probably wouldn't have gone gotten like been been super motivated
to get into the Bible because once I started hearing
about like giants and dephlum and that's like, like what
giants in the NETFLI like, that's crazy, crazy, like and

(01:18:03):
they're talking about this in this book that has been removed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
From from most Bibles.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
In so I do think that there is a lot
of truth in the Bible, and I do think that
there's a lot that you can gain, but I do
think you have to, you know, pick the pepper out
of the salt every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
And yeah, I don't know. Good. I like the way.
I like the way that you just said that, And
I don't know exactly where I am going with this,
but that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
You mentioned the Book of Anoch, And the Book of
Anox's a great example. You look at there's two bloodlines.
There's the blood line of Adam and there's a blood
line of the serpent seed from the garden. That's how
it went deviated into two paths. Good guys, bad guys. Essentially,
what you see in the Serpent Seed. Is they replicate
and copy the names of the names in Adam's bloodline

(01:18:55):
as well. So it can be very confusing to figure
out who's actually talking about. Is talking about Moses a
person who liberated his people from Egypt? Or is it
talking about Moses a Hicsos who reinvaded Egypt with an
army and was then driven out again? We don't know,
because we weren't there. Do I suggest it it's one

(01:19:16):
way or the other, not necessarily, but we have to
ask ourselves a question, where does logic, faith and reason
fall into this. Where does the history and the science
tell us? What does the biblical theology tell us? What
does our faith and our discernments say on this? When
you pray on it, does it guide you to a
certain path? These are things that we have to really

(01:19:38):
look at through a microcosm that if we have this Bible,
it's up to us to interpret. It's not for us
to just go sit on a pew on a Sunday
and have someone tell us what to think. We have
to think for ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
It's almost it's like I have the beholder in a sense,
and I don't know if that has some crazy like
what that statement I either beholder, I don't know if
that is like some crazy as a dire demonic fucking means.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
The eye of the bay hull.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what that's kind of what I'm that,
that's what I was getting. That's yeah, but that's not
what I what I mean by except for you to interpret. Yeah,
And I think that and one of the biggest things
that that I've always thought. And again this is before
I looked in the Bible. In my head, I'm just like, listen,
it's really simple. I feel like I can explain the

(01:20:27):
Bible like all the importance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
This is before.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Years ago that I I can break down the Bible
real quick for you, right, be a good person, do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Unto others that would like done to yourself. Don't be
a fucking asshole, and realize and understand that you are
a bitty and somebody else whomever that is, and God's
good light, great light, sacrifice everything so that you can

(01:21:02):
be here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
And now I still find that true in a sense,
but I also think there's more to it now that
I'm a little bit older and I'm not a degenerate,
fucking sixteen year old drug addict.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Now, well, I think that the beauty of it all
is that we were never told in scripture to read scripture.
We were never instructed one time to read the scripture.
We were told to study to know the scripture because

(01:21:44):
and I don't know if you've ever studied for a test,
but there's a lot that when you truly want to
study something, you're using every resource available to gather as
much information possible on the subject. And it just so happens,
Fellows that in the year twenty twenty four, information has
never been more abundant when it pertains to the scripture.

(01:22:08):
And so we are supposed to question, quite literally shout
out bo diggles, question everything, like don't take anything for granted,
because just like you said, Kyle, And at the end
of the day, this has passed through countless hands, This

(01:22:29):
has passed through countless people's approval or whatever. But that's
where that extra information that we have available becomes so critical,
because we can cross reference scripture with quote unquote extra
biblical scripture. We can literally get dictionaries in Greek and

(01:22:53):
Latin and Hebrew and Arabic. You can literally know at
least to the most the best that you can, you know,
tell what was really being said. And so I think
that's the level of devotion that it takes. It's not

(01:23:14):
simply good enough to even just read it a few
times a week get on a podcast to talk about it.
Like as much as I wish that was enough, because
that's even you know, I'm sad to say that's more
than I do. Like I watched a video earlier this
preacher who snapped in church. He had apparently had passed

(01:23:35):
out a track the week before, like a little pamphlet,
and apparently there was something that this congregation was either
supposed to know or do, and nobody knew or did it,
and the preacher lost his mind. I'll try to find
it again and send it to y'all. But it was
great though, because he was right. He was like the

(01:23:57):
same people that are too lazy to bust open this
track and figure out what it is you're supposed to do,
we're too lazy to get inside the scripture and know
what it really says. Y'all are the kind of people
that want to let somebody else tell you what it says.
You were believing what you're told instead of what you've read,
what you've studied on your own, like, and it's literally

(01:24:21):
a life time endeavor that you'll never accomplish because me
and you and all three of us could sit here
and dissect one chapter of the Bible our entire life
and come up with completely different meanings. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
So at the end and how your experience have played.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Out, and so to kind of tie this back to
how we were talking about how Amen might have been
taken from a negative place and through intention, morphed into
something light, I think as long as you're doing the work,
because scripture does say faith without work is dead. And
I don't know if you've ever drew. I know you

(01:25:04):
have because you're a very well put together man on
your show. Research is heavy sometimes, like research can take
just as much as any other endeavor you want to
in life. And I think that's the level of dedication
it takes on a consistent and I'm not saying every
day you've got to take four hours to dive to

(01:25:26):
the deepest, darkest parts of the Bible, but you need
to be into these in literally in the scripture, like,
not just on a surface level. You need to be
looking underneath the surface and finding out the roots of
these words so that you can gain true meaning and

(01:25:47):
don't just listen to what other people say, because if
you're were not doing it yourself, your belief in some
other man's words will not get you into Heaven, if God,
if you stand before God, when it's when we're at
judgment day and you stand before God and all you
have to offer some other man's words, it's a sad,
sad day. To Rexy, it's a sad, sad day.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Well that's kind of you, ryle you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
No, no, no, I was just going to touch base on
on what Hank was saying and like looking into scripture,
and then I was gonna go back and like what
you said, like you like to take a I mean,
you look into you look into.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
What you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
You do the research, but there's also a scientific aspect
to it, right, and we have like the Great flood,
we have the shout of torn all of these things
can actually be proven.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
And that yeah, that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Yeah, And yeah, thank brought up a really important aspect
of not putting all your faith air quotes in someone
else's research. There's a lot and I mean a goddamn
lot of of ex preachers, ex bishops, people that are
coming out who are leaving institutionalized churches because they've spent

(01:27:08):
their entire life preaching and teaching others, but they've had
the shackles on them, not being able to talk about
certain topics. When the youth come up and ask them
questions about the nepheline, about the fallen ones, about translational errors,
they keep being told by the institution horrible stories. You're mistaken,
you don't understand what you're reading. But they in themselves

(01:27:31):
know that that's not true. So you've got a lot
of ex preachers coming out who are creating a lot
of content in the moment. Those are great places to
get started, but by no means should you take them
on face value, because all you're doing is substituting a
man sitting down a pew listening to a man to
sitting on a chair listening to a man on your computer.

(01:27:51):
Whatever research, whatever you get, you have to verify yourself
as best as you can.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Absolutely. Oh ah, Like I said, I've grown Literally the
day I was born. I've been taking to church up
until I was seventeen or so. I went to church
ever twice on Sunday the morning and the evening service,
and we went on every Wednesday evening like we was
in church. And I remember being young, look way too

(01:28:19):
young to understand anything the preacher was talking about on
any kind of deep level. But I could pay attention,
like my Grandmam and my mom and my aunt, like
they all like at a switch is linked, pay attention
to that preacher. I had a pad and I had
a pen or a pencil, and I was every time
he called out a verse, I was to write it down.

(01:28:42):
And like you know, while you were younger, man, this
sucks stupid, Like I'm just writing this down. I don't
know what it means. It doesn't mean anything to me.
Then I got to realizing as I started getting older,
I started paying more attention to my grandmom and man,
she would fill up bonder notebooks at a time of notes.

(01:29:05):
She would go through every time, like from the time
that preacher man started talking to the time he stopped talking,
she was pretty much taken down as fast as she could,
almost word for word what he was saying, all that stuff.
And it came clear to me at a certain time
whenever it was that that was for a reason. That

(01:29:26):
way you could go home, and while the sermon was
still fresh on your mind, you could sit down with
the notes that you had taken from the preacher man
and go to the scripture and verify them, because you
cannot take another man's opinion as gospel. You have to
verify because, just like we just admitted, if we read

(01:29:50):
the same we read the same piece of scripture, but
we all come away with different ideas, and which of
us is right and which of us is wrong? Who's
to say who's right and who's wrong? Because I choose
to believe that in that situation, that's God allowing us
to believe three different things because maybe we're neither right

(01:30:11):
nor wrong, because maybe we're all just a little bit right.
Maybe we're all just a little bit wrong. And so
in that same breath, you can't go to church and
listen to what some other man has to say and
think that's going to get you in there. You have
to hear what, listen to what he says. I'm not saying.
Don't go listen to some preacher man if that's what
you want to do, like, there's no harm in that.

(01:30:32):
The harm is when you start believing that everything he
says is one hundred percent factual. When you stop trying
to verify what somebody is telling you, that's when you
drop the ball. And I think that that's something that
not many people want to talk about because I don't
even man, dude, unless I'm doing a podcast, I barely

(01:30:53):
touch about and I'm ashamed to say it because I
know that's nowhere near good enough. My thirteen year old
daughter has been going to church with her grandma for
the past month and a half or so when she
wants to get baptized. Well, the church they've been going
to is a Southern Baptist church, and I don't really
care because I can't. I could, but I've just been

(01:31:14):
too lazy to teach my kids about I've decided I
was gonna let some other man teach my kids about
Jesus and all that. And guess what happened, y'all. I
don't like what the hell they're being taught because I
do not agree with the Baptist way of thinking. I
just don't. A lot of their stuff is cool, but
it's the picky. When my daughter's been to church five

(01:31:38):
times and she comes back, she's hit me with I
got saved today. You did what you mean you signed
a piece of paper saying you accepted Jesus in your
heart and now you're safe because I asked her at
two thirty eight, says repent and be baptized for the
remission of sins. So to kind of that, you got

(01:32:00):
to be baptized before you can be saved, right, I'd
say that's just the Southern Baptist to have this thing
where you can it's like you're getting the beta trial
of salvation.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Look at the Catholics. Up until twenty years ago, you
could pay for your sins to be absolved.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
And so now, like I've been putting this off for
a couple of weeks because like it's a really tough
talk that I'm gonna have to have because I'm not
sure I can break down what I know to a
thirteen year old's level enough to suffice her. Because like,
if she's if it was up to her tomorrow morning,
she'd be going with her grandma and getting baptized like
in the morning. Like, and I'm just not cool with

(01:32:42):
that because I was raised in the church, and at
twelve years old, I made the conscious decision to get baptized,
and I regret it not getting baptized. I regret getting
baptized at twelve because even though I'd spent my whole, literal,
whole life at that point up and in the scripture
and all that I studied, my Bible and stuff, I

(01:33:02):
still didn't know what I was doing. Still got baptized
for the wrong reason. I got baptized because I was
scared that if I went to sleep and died, I
was gonna go to Hell. Because I knew right from wrong.
I reached the age of accountability, right, drew that lovely phrase,
and they let me get baptized with no second question.

(01:33:26):
I don't think the church should have done that. I
think they should have stopped me until I had a
better reason than being scared to go to sleep to
get baptized. Literally ran to my mom in tears because
I was scared to go to sleep at twelve years old,
because I didn't want to die in my sleep and
go to Hell. Like that's not okay. I don't and

(01:33:46):
I don't think it's okay for me to let my
daughter do something being ill informed, and like I've I've
got to sit down and note up and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I know it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
I'm just man, This is a wild This is actually
a wild con except that the idea of being saved
purely just through baptism. People forget that in scripture, when
Christ returns, he not only judges the living, he judges
the dead. So what's to say He's not going to
look at the dead and go I can see Jimmy,

(01:34:16):
Sam Louisa. They didn't get baptized, but they weren't bad people.
There were Christians from a denomination that doesn't actually have
a baptismal. Maybe they're saved. We don't know what Christ
is going to when he judges those who were dead,
because there's still the possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
There right a lot of gray issue when it comes
to the topic of baptisms, because I think there are
a lot of categories of people that get the whole pass. Obviously,
anybody with any kind of mental condition that can't understand

(01:34:53):
you're good. I don't care if you fling shit on
your mom every day of the week, like you're good.
Of children.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Get a pass.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
They like even I think even I, at that age
of twelve, thinking I knew, I think I still was
covered because I really was still wrong. You know, I
was starting to get a grasp of what was going on,
but like it was just the fear of like, oh shit,
now my soul's on the line.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Well maybe, really, baptism only really applies to people who
do know the word and the intention of because I
actually spent many years of your life fundamentally trying to
understand it and then you choose not to. Maybe then
that's completely different because someone who's completely ignorant, that's no
fault on your own like that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
All the you know, the tribes of people that have
never been reached by a single person, let alone anybody
spreading the message of Jesus Christ, and if they did,
those spreaders of the message probably got eight Let's just
be real, But are they going to hell? Probably not.

(01:36:04):
Man the thief on the cross wasn't baptized, but Jesus
looked at him and was like, you dude, coming home
with me?

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
And he did.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
I think that there's I like to believe in God's grace.
Like that's a common phrase that gets thrown around, And
one thing I believe is you cannot interpret God's grace.
You cannot say what God will or won't do. The
best we can do is once again, know that Scripture

(01:36:39):
and know the examples that we have from that scripture
and just hope, like hell that what we do on
this earth is good enough to experience some of that grace,
because once again in scripture it says love covers a
multitude of sin. And I feel like I feel like,
for the most part, I'm almost called up with my childhood.

(01:37:01):
Like up until WHICHILD was considered myself a child until
I was twenty seven, twenty eight years old.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Let's be real.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Oh, I'm only thirty three, so we're not that far
down the throw.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
But I'm pushing thirty six and I still feel like
a teenager out side.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Oh no, but well, my my spirit, yes, but my
actions know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I'm a real fucking man. I don't know about you guys,
but Ashley would Ashley would say otherwise, she would say, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I actively try to
live a good life. I do not go out of
my way, well any Kyle. Oddly enough, ever since we
had that conversation with Electro, Nick and Sean, yeah, I don't.
I don't get mad at road rage anymore. So, Like
I'm actively trying to not go out of my way

(01:37:51):
to cause anybody harm or throw any negative energy out there,
And wouldn't you know what, Kyle, Traffic really hasn't been
that bad since I stopped getting mad at it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
It's crazy, But.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Like I feel like I've been trying to live by
this motto for a while now that just got to
do better today than I did today, or do better
tomorrow than I did today. If I can live better
life tomorrow than I live today, hopefully before too long,
I'm living a pretty good life, and I feel like

(01:38:25):
I've come a long way from.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Who I am.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
I know I still got miles to go, but it's
talks like these and discussions like these that really do help.
Like I know, at the end of the day, I've
sat here for the last thirty minutes to say, don't
trust anything anybody says. But that's not necessarily the case, man,
Like there's people out here that are wanting to have

(01:38:48):
these discussions, and it's sincerely from a place of love,
simply for wanting to have the discussion in hopes that
some clarity can be found. And I actually think we
found some clarity on the at least, if nothing else,
on the topic of amen tonight. I think you kind
of might whether whether the story was inverted or not

(01:39:12):
that you know, we can we can, you know, toss
that around in the air still. But as far as
amen coming, I'm almost willing to see that it originated
out of the Egyptian pantheon. But then I would counter

(01:39:33):
that with that we did transform it. You know, I
think that's a that's a that's a hell of a
point to be made. You know, in the grand scheme
of things, is something as small as that word like
that that has weight because of the conversation you can
have around it. But I think that they're you know,
like I was saying, there's people that genuinely mean good
by these conversations. It's just not good enough to listen

(01:39:57):
to that conversation and and then check out, like go
reaffirm whoever it is. It ain't gotta be just me.
I mean, there's because there's people that I look to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
I listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Your good friends Drew, Jason, and Christopher. I listened to them,
oddly enough, religiously. I love listening to Operation red Pill.
I shout them out almost every episode. Kyl can vouch
for me on that, and even them, I'm like, man,
but at the end of the day, I've still got

(01:40:33):
to go back behind them to see if what they
said is true. And it's not a disrespect thing. It's
literally following through commandment from Scripture to know what the
Scripture says. And it's all, you know, it's just all.
It can become too much. But when you start breaking

(01:40:55):
down the idea of whatever you want to lay the
religion that we're so choosing to be involved with is
whether you want to call it Christianity or anything else,
you can break it down into very digestible pieces and
get meaningful information from it. Nobody expects you, not even

(01:41:19):
God himself expects you to understand everything cover to cover.
This isn't a Harry Potter book, you know what I'm saying.
This isn't This isn't Moby Dick. This isn't going to
be taught every year in high school like this is
something so complex that no one man can understand the
whole thing. And if he thinks he does, by the

(01:41:39):
Scripture's definition, he is a fool. Because if nothing else,
Scripture has never failed to provide us with a new angle.
Because here we are in the year twenty twenty four,
debating things that. I guarantee you have been debated for centuries.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
The difference is we want to be a light for
being a witch or a heretic for questioning it is
that is the manifest. The ultimate takeaway from all this,
I think, is that we're not infallible as humans. We
make mistakes, we aren't perfect. God knows that. God knows
us better than we know ourselves, and we will never

(01:42:19):
know God like he knows us. He loves all of us,
and I think he keeps that in mind. We may
straight down the wrong path, research the wrong thing, be misinformed,
look to people who we think have got the answers,
and we may be wrong. I think he takes all
that stuff into account because we are not infallible. We
are not perfect beings. We are man after all. We

(01:42:40):
are flawed, and He knows that. So don't be afraid
to question things. Don't be afraid to double check the
research of people you hold high esteem. It's not a
slight at them. It's not to disprove them or say
that they're wrong. It's just to check with the receipts
for yourself, because it's something you truly believe and you
want to be sure it's up to you to make

(01:43:01):
sure don't be lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
And see in the pew, because even in something simple
as fact quote unquote fact checking the research in modern terms.
You know, you listen to this podcasting, you hear what
we say, You hear the scriptures that have been tossed around,
and you go and you read them, and you find
out something what we've read. It doesn't come to you

(01:43:26):
like that. It comes to you as something different. Bounce
it off of us because it might be a different
line of thinking than we've been thinking. And then it
might jar something you know, loose and we It doesn't
have to be like you were saying, drew an act
of disrespect. If anything, it should be done out of love.

(01:43:49):
Because if somebody is preaching something false, you owe it
to them to tell them. Because Kyle, you've heard me
say this. At the end of the day, anybody choosing
to spread the message of Jesus Christ's taking upon the
weight of the souls of the people that receive that information.
And if you knowingly or not spread false information, their

(01:44:14):
soul is on your hands. Because they believe this is
once again hate speaking. I believe they will get the
benefit of God's grace because they were dooped.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
That's even though they're I kind of kind.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Of can't even think like that now because they should
have done their own research.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Well, that's anyone who's Anyone who says they know souls
are literally on the line here. Anyone who says they
know completely one they are certain of it. There's no
irrefutable things that they could be shown. If they think
they know for sure, that's something you should probably just

(01:44:57):
question and take with a grain of soul, because no
one knows for certain. We weren't there, we didn't live
the experiences. We weren't there at Exodus. Do I know
that the Hixos is the story? No, it's just a
perspective they've come across that gives a different narrative to it.
To question, do we know that that Christ actually performed
the miracles? Did? We don't know that. We have a

(01:45:19):
belief in it, and to be fixated on any one
thing of knowing that's dangerous. We can take a belief,
we can use the evidence it's before us to help
form our beliefs, but we don't know for sure, and
that's a humbling place to be at. Anyone that says
they know for sure. Yep, that's a bit of satan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
That's a big that's a big red flag right there. Yeah.
Stay away from Kenneth Copeland and all those other sick,
fucking weird people just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
You can't buy salvation. It's no preacher man on no
TV or elsewhere can solicit money for divine favors, I
promise you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
But what if they send you a key chain that
says you're saved.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Oh, then you're good to go. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
That piece of they get that piece of paper and
they put it in a frame that you signed saying
that you accepted Jesus in your heart. That's a tough
one because it says it. You know, it says it well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
But if it says it, then like like obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
But you know, just to put a final note on
my on my daughter's story because she's gonna love that.
I've told the world that she her business. But I
looked at her the other day and I was like,
you know, Bella, after we have our talk and you
still want to get baptized, I can baptize you in

(01:46:43):
the baptub. She was like, huh, Nowhere in scripture does
it say that a preacher man has to put you
in a church building and baptize you. My mama was
baptized in a ditch, hadn't swear to God. Like back
in the day, the streets weren't a thing. You went
to a to a ditch that was at least ways deeper.

(01:47:05):
You went to a creek or a river. You went
somewhere to the to natural water, and that's where you
got baptized. Stinking water and all. But like we are,
we are duty bound by Christ and God Almighty to
spread the message of salvation to every corner of the world.

(01:47:28):
And part of that salvation, show my Church of Christ
colors real quick. There's the plan of salvation. You've got
to hear the word. That's the first step to ever
become be obtaining salvation is you have to hear the
word of God. And then once you hear the word,
you've got to believe that what you heard is true.

(01:47:51):
Then once you believe it, you must then repent. You've
got to you've got to literally make a one and
eighty degree change in your life. The things that you
know are wrong, don't do them anymore. And it sucks
because you've built, you spent a lifetime of doing bad things.
And but now that you you know, now you've got
to start that daily battle of doing better to to

(01:48:14):
you know, tomorrow than you did today. And and so
once you repent, now you've got to Now you've got
to confess. And it ain't got to be in front
of a church, because that's not what scripture says. It
says you just you have to make an oral confession
that you believe that Jesus Christ is the one and
true son of the only God.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Period.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Once you make that confession, you can become baptized. You
can get baptized, and then once you were baptized. A
lot of Christians won't tell you this in Sunday School,
is there's a final step, and that's you have to
live every day of your life like you're still trying
to obtain salvation. Because even though you might have been

(01:48:59):
baptized and obtain salvation, you can fall from grace. You
can even though you might be driving down the right highway,
you can turn off of it just as easily as
you got into it. So it's not over once you're baptized.
Like this once saved, always safe thing is bogus. This
is a no it's really not. You are when you

(01:49:22):
are baptized, you are signing a lifetime spiritual contractual agreement
with God saying that you, from that moment forward are
going to live your life in a way that will
glorify Him. Whatever that means. However, you can find it
in yourself to do that through scripture and stuff. Everybody

(01:49:46):
does it a little differently, but as you'll get there,
because if you're if you're already at that point, you're
in the scripture, you're you're not too far from your answers.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
It's literally it. There's no catechisms you've got to read,
there's no ceremonial rites other than getting baptized. And then
the kind of I still kind of taking the Lord's
suffer still a weird one for me. For so many years,

(01:50:18):
I never gave it a second thought. But then once
somebody asked me, but isn't that just like proxy cannibalism,
I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Oh, that one's a tough one.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
This could be a whole other episode, the whole oh
I know, I know, like the Catholic schism and everything
associated with the founding of the church, which wasn't really
the church. It was the people, but that's a whole
different rabbit hole. Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Well, Drew, I can't thank you enough for once again
coming with your your arsenal of information. You did not disappoint.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Kyle.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
I hope you, I hope you got a lot to
think about this. This should be one you're probably gonna
have to listen to three or four times for you
to catch everything. But when you when those white bulbs
go off for you, man, I'm gonna be proud of you, man,
because it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Right here, I'm gonna I'm gonna be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
I definitely have a lot to think about, no doubt,
as I've only gone into i think chapter three or
four of Genesis, told you were mentioning, Yeah, so I'm
excited for that. And then you guys also mentioned Samuel.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
I believe right, keep keep eating Solomon Solomon. Okay, okay,
the songs of Solomon. But when you get around the
fifth or sixth chapter of Genesis, that's when you'll want
to keep eating candy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
I'm gonna have all my books laid out. I'm excited, man,
I'm excited. And and again this is one of like
I was telling how I love.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Talking conspiracies and like weird wild shit. I love it.
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
But to be honest, although I was a little bit
on the quieter side the night, when it comes to
talking about different vie little events in the Bible, it
is my my new fate, Like literally, my new favorite
thing is to talk about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
And again I didn't do much talking today.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Learning And I.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Appreciate you better than being the jimo run in his mouth,
I promise you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:52:30):
Man, you guys both obviously were great, man, because all
this is doing is just like stabbing me in my heart,
and like, man, I've really really got to start diving
into my scripture because if I'm going to say these
words and put them out there like I have any
kind of authority, that I probably should do it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Well. You said Drew didn't disappoint, which he did not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
You also didn't disappoint, not that I was expecting any disappointment,
because you guys are both very knowledgeable when it comes
to this particular subject.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
But yeah, with that being said, man, thank you. I
appreciate it. I had a blast, and I'm looking forward
to what I will what I last thing I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Say is I would love you much, damn it. What
I would what I would like to propose is possibly Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
You mentioned this very I mean it was just a
brief mention, but I would like to get into the
talmood and look into that because I recently just came
across it and the extreme oath of Jesuit induction.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
I think it is fuck wild wild and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
I've been posting it like crazy, trying to get banned
off of Instagram. I haven't been banned yet, but I'm
already posted all the night just for chits and giggles.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
But anyhow, wild, thank you both. I appreciate it. Man,
I got a lot again. I have a lot to
ste on tonight and yeah, Steve Lamb came, Man, all.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Right, thanks for guys. Yeah, it's it's great that we
can have these conversations as just a conversation. Far too
often people go into these types of things, questioning where
our men comes from or any kind of theology, and
it instantly becomes a debate and people get real fired
up and angry about it. And I understand because it's
faith and it's what people are invested in spiritually. But

(01:54:35):
this is what it's all about. It's about having conversations
offering different perspectives, not being bound or tied to any
set way of thinking. And it's just challenging your own
beliefs at times because you know that can reinforce where
you're coming from. And it's not a bad thing to
go into a conversation not being sure that's right. And

(01:54:56):
this is what I like about this. Like I've said
multiple times, I'm still very new Christian and these are
the types of conversations that I love having because it
opens my eyes to new things, the things I wasn't
aware of or didn't perceive a certain way. Sure, So
thanks for allowing me on here today. Oh no, man, Drew,
you know you're always welcome one here. I love having
you one because you were just It doesn't matter what

(01:55:18):
we've been talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Man, you come with information and the way you're able
to just have the conversation is second to none. And
like our friend John the Fed always says, never believe
in anything so hard that when you find out it's false,
it breaks your identity.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
On the dude, where's that guy Ben Dude down.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
There wrangling tumbleweed in Texas?

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
I guess he's back at Quantico getting these updates from.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
But no, man, like you know, it's it's beautiful to
have beliefs, and it's very important to have beliefs. But
I think if you're if you're constantly doing if you're
constantly studying the scripture, I don't think you're I don't
think you should really want to put down concrete pillars
that can never be moved, because, like you said, Jared,

(01:56:16):
we're all human, baby, and I'm not willing to die
believing that anything I believe is one right because oh
if that's if, that's, if it's wrong, I don't want
to have to wake up on the other side and
being like, oh, man, I probably should have saw this coming,
because it's probably a good chance that when I check

(01:56:36):
out that I'm gonna find out that I was probably wrong.
Because that's just my luck. Man. I if my gut
tells me to go with C and and and and
I go with see the quick the answer was a
all along.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
So yeah, So basically, structure is faking gay and just
hop on a raft and just float through the ocean
and just see words.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
Analogy houseparts bitches, It's it's a pontoon.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Let's go It's good to draw lines in the sand
of where you where you stand, but let it be
just that aligned in the sand that can be washed
away and redrawn in the in the wake of new information.
Don't be offended when somebody else's point of view differs
from years because that's what you were told in a
in a in a wooden brick building for thirty years.

(01:57:25):
Because you listen to what some other man told you,
some other man told you that what you believe is wrong,
don't look at check it out for yourself, and know
that you can say amen. Because Drew missing, Chef, Kyle
and Hank, we've we've done the research, we've provided the theories,
and we've come to the conclusion that one hundred percent

(01:57:47):
true Amen is Amen is probably safe. As long as
your heart's in the right place, you're probably okay.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
So with and then probably a couple of times that
really saved yourself there had to had to.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Well, gentlemen, this has been an amazing conversation. Thank you
for your time. I love both of you. Hope y'all
are doing well in life, and sure it won't be
too longful.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
We'll be catching up again.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Desert.

Speaker 4 (01:58:19):
Absolutely catch this guys, next time.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
All right, later, gentlemen,