Ep. 56 Interviewing James of Plunder World w/ Katilist Jones

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, back for another episode of
the six four to three double Play, and I'm excited
for the episode I've got for y'all. The day we
me and Kyle that is, had on Catalyst Jones from
the White Rabbit podcast to help us conduct this interview
we had with mister James from the plunder World Trading

(00:23):
Cards that this was an amazing interview. If any of
y'all know me, you know I collect sports cards and
I do have a small collection of non sports cards.
And so when Kyle told me that he had mister
James coming on and kind of what his deal was,
I knew that I was going to really enjoy this
conversation and James did not fail to disappoint. We started

(00:47):
off talking about some of the specifics about his game,
where you can find it on his website, his inspiration
kind of even got to some of the nitty gritty
throughout the whole conversation as far as size of the
cards he Unfortunately, with this being an audio only podcast,

(01:09):
this episode might want to leave you wanting a little bit.
And if that's the case, then you'll have to make
sure to catch this on the White Rabbit podcast or
on Sunday Night Secret Society when Kyle drops this, because
they will have the video form and you will be
able to see some of the examples of the cards
and some other visuals that mister James provided droughout this interview.

(01:34):
We spent a good little bit of time at the
first part of the interview talking about the card game,
specifically details about it, inspiration and all that stuff. And
then he was very generous in kind of explaining where
some of the research come from, a lot of his

(01:55):
inspiration for the card art, and he showed us books
that he references, gave us a few titles of books
that I highly encourage y'all write the names of these
books down. He even mentions that there's one free book
that you can get online. I'm gonna be getting that soon.

(02:18):
There's another couple of books that I'm really looking forward
to obtaining, but y'all make sure y'all check those books out.
It was, like I said, this is a really great episode.
I loved it. I can't wait to have them morning
again in the future and maybe talk about some of
the more specific ideas that are shown in his product,

(02:40):
not necessarily about the cards themselves. But the conspiracy behind
the cards. So I will make sure to have a
link for mister james website plunderworld dot com in the
show notes.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I will.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Leave a link for the White Rabbit podcast so that
whenever it drops on his end, y'all will have access
to that, as well as the link for Sunday Night
Secret Society, which, if you're a regular listener to the
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the Sunday Night Secret Society anyways, but it won't hurt
to have that link in the show notes for you anyway.

(03:15):
You know, normally I do these intros for these episodes
with Kyle, but let's be honest, it's one forty in
the afternoon Central time, Kyle's probably not even up yet,
and I've got nothing better to do today. So I
figured i'd go ahead and knock this little intro out
so I can get this episode out. The last thing

(03:35):
I want to bring up before we get into the episode.
I did release an episode last week and I listened
to my friend Kyle. Y'all know, I love Kyle, He's
my brother, love the guy, but he really kind of
screwed the poocha on this one, he convinced me to

(03:56):
switch from Spotify for Podcasters, which which is what I've
used to upload this podcast since its inception, and he
convinced me to switch over to Sprinker and Sprinker it's
really cool.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's more streamlined than Spotify for Podcasters, and it automatically
uploads my podcast to several of the major podcasters out there.
But what it did was it created a separate RSS
feed on Spotify. Instead of uploading I think it would

(04:35):
have been episode fifty five with the I Would Talk guys,
it put it on a separate feed. So if you're
following the six four three already and you look and
you see, well, Hank, I don't see episode fifty five.
The last I see is episode fifty four, which was
our interview with Zachary King. Then what I need you
to do is this is for Spotify specifically. I'm not

(04:59):
sure how this has affected any other podcasters because I
only listen to podcasts through Spotify. So if you listen
on Spotify and you're looking for episode fifty five, what
you've got to do is search my first and last name,
Hank Parish p A r is H and it will
bring up an identical thumbnail and podcast name six four

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It will show Hank and Kyle as the authors. The
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I think I figured it out how to steal you Spreaker,

(05:46):
but upload to my pre existing feed. I hope so,
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to upload to that RSS feed, then I'm going back
to Spotify for podcasts. The other major change with me
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(06:08):
my episodes. Y'all know that since my beginning, I haven't
had any ads in my episodes except for my pure
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But I always do that either beforehand or afterhand. Never
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(09:42):
Rabbit Podcasts catalyst Jones as we interview the plunder World
man himself. Y'all enjoy the episode, Stay fly, be kind.
As Kyle would say, I still a pasta, and you
know I love y'all.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
God bless y'all.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I'm gonna catch y'all next time. All right, So it
says we're live, so I guess we're live. So welcome

(10:20):
to another episode of The Sunday Night Secret Society. I
am one of your one of your hosts, Hank, Like always,
I'm joined by my co host, chef Kyle Brother. What
we're doing this evening?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh well, you know, a little bit of struggle, a
little bit of struggle, but we're all right. We made
it happen. We adapted as we normally do. And other
than that, Yeah, it's Friday. I'm excited. I'm stoked. Got
two days off and then, you know, back to the grindstone, yes, sir,
like most of us, you.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Know, yes, sir, Well we should have a good conversation
for everybody tonight. We got our good friend, Catalyst Jones
of the White Rabbits pipe Cast back in the building.
What's going on, bro?

Speaker 4 (11:03):
What is up?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Guys?

Speaker 5 (11:04):
I'm happy to be here, especially when you told me
about your guest. I was like, oh, yes, sign me up.
I'd love to jump on board for this one. So
I think it's gonna be a fun conversation as well.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Absolutely glad to have you here. And that leads us
with our lovely guest of the evening. We've got mister
James of the trading card game plunder World, looking forward
to hearing all about this. I'm in the not necessarily
trading card world, but I collect sports cards, so this
is gonna it scratch an itch for me myself personally.

(11:39):
So I'm really looking forward to hearing what you got
to say. So welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Good sir, Thank you so much for having me. I've
only done like two streams ever, and this is just
so much fun. I gotta tell you, though, it's not
a game. That's one of the reasons why I made this.
It's because I'm so tired of older into all ages,
even adults, spending their money on these games. It's driving

(12:05):
me crazy. I with a child on my own, I
want to make sure he's got hobbies. I want to
make sure he's got interests. And you know, there's just
too much out there for parents to spend their money on,
and they're not getting a dime of my money. All right,
So I was inspired to make this, and I'll show

(12:26):
you all a few things if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Absolutely so are you share away?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So the way this works is, first of all, I
got short legs. I don't know if I can reach
this here. I made a series of trading cards that
basically are like bookmarks because I've read tons of books.
I've listened to tons of interviews ever since I was
a little boy. My parents and my grandparents would talk

(12:55):
about the wildest stuff. And so, you know what it's like,
you highlight something in a book, you you hear something
and you go, oh, oh, I got to remember that,
and you never do. And so I figured, hey, why
not make it like collectible and fun, because honestly, I mean,
you know what it's like with Americans. You know it's
I mean, if you're not paying money for it, you
don't care. That's just where it is. And so I

(13:18):
got a library full of books, and when you highlight some,
you shut them and you never see it again. And
then I guess it wasn't until I was trying to
teach my kiddo some history that I stumbled upon Connor Boyak.
You' all know about the Tuttle Twins. Yeah, okay, excellent
series of books. Okay, I mean they're like Curious George

(13:40):
style books, teaching children simple, simple concepts about how to
be an entrepreneur or how to avoid the Federal Reserve
or how to I mean, they're really deep subjects for kids.
And so I figured there's just not enough of this
kind of material for children or even teenagers, because the

(14:02):
teenage age is where they get you. I'm gonna sum
this up and we'll get right into it. I don't know,
between the ages of sixteen and twenty five, maybe even thirty,
you're transitioning into an adult. The problem is is that
you're stuck in this, you know, mindset where you want
to relate to your friends and your peers, and so
you hold on to things like nostalgia. I mean, we're

(14:24):
all guilty of it. I'm not saying it's a sin,
but how many of us still have old baseball cards?
They're old transformers or old movie posters. You know, we
all do. I mean, there's no harm in it. But
if you're a fifty sixty year old man and you
can't get you can't wait to get the next set
of Pokemon cards, then brother, you need some therapy, all right.

(14:46):
So the other big kick in the pants, I don't know, y'all.
You're familiar with Richard Grove and Grand Theft World, Okay, okay,
he's a He is probably one of the most well
read educators when it comes to this kind of material
on the Internet. He has a library that is just

(15:10):
it fills an entire house and he spends every Sunday
going through the local news and pulling books and showing
you where it's at and showing you what it's all about.
And I really dug Richard Grove and his co host
Tony Meyer and his new host Scott Armstrong with Rebunk News.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Oh I'm friends with Scot Hey.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
All right, Well, he co hosts Grand Theft World. He's
a good dude.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
But the uh, what struck me about Richard Grove is
that he's got a lot of the books that my
dad had and I got to read, like Tragedy and
Hope by Carol Quigley.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Like like this book Dope Ink. All right, if any
of y'all don't like George Soros, then get a copy
of this book. Dope Inc. Has a whole lot of
information about how George Soros profits from the drug trade.
It's it connects a lot of dots. And you can

(16:08):
thank him for passing that California measure all those years ago,
for legalizing marijuana for medical use. That was look, I mean,
well we can get into that later. So anyways, was
that a bad thing? Well we'll get to that, Okay,
it's kind of a you know it, if you connect

(16:29):
the dots, you see that it's not about like giving
people a medicine. What it is is it's a foot
in the door to legalize other things because you know,
George Soros funds the Open Society. Correct, Yeah, and the
Open Society. They what they do is they break down
a nation by softening tradition, and they hate things like nationalism,

(16:55):
and so they appeal to the youth and they create
these docket special interest groups that never existed before. And
so they pass, you know, a local ordinance to say
something as simple as medical marijuana. But then it's hey,
how about a needle exchange program? And then it's aw
about free crack pipes in the mail straight from you know,

(17:19):
Joe Biden. And what it does is it opens up
a drug industry that's completely legal. But people tend to
forget somebody's got to make those drugs and somebody's got
to transport those drugs. And I don't know about y'all,
but I live in Houston and I don't see any
opium factories around here, So it's I mean, I don't

(17:42):
have I mean, I'm not making a judgment call these
are just the facts, and George Soros is responsible for it.
And I think more people, especially children becoming adults, need
to know that. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay, well
I started doing this by hand. I show you so,

(18:04):
I'm I'm I've taken tons of photos and tons of video.
That's that's kind of what I do for a living.
In fact, tonight I got two clients I got to
go take pictures of their food for and so I
made a template in Photoshop for just four by six photos,
and I make my little card designs and then what

(18:24):
I would do is fold them a little card stock
sandwich and one by one with a whole bunch of
gorilla glue and a whole bunch of heavy books. I
pressed out ninety cards for a prototype set, and it's

(18:46):
I thought ninety cards was great, And so then I thought,
if I actually spent money on something like that, I'd
feel ripped off. I'd want more. Plus I had a
whole bunch of notes for each subject, so many notes
I couldn't fit them all in the back of one card,
and so I made three cards. So the way this
works is that there are two hundred and seventy six cards.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
There's ninety subjects in the series, but they all have
a black, a silver, and a gold border, and there's
different lore on the back of each card, so you
get a more complete story. Okay, So as an example,
I got a subject here about Nelly Rockefeller, one of

(19:33):
the Rockefeller Boys, and he is he's known for helping
to build the World Trade Center, governor New York vice president,
died in the arms of a mistress, if you know
what I mean. And John Loftis wrote a really good
book called The Secret War against the Jews, and in

(19:57):
that book he actually reveals how Nelson Rockefeller was blackmailed
into helping Israel become a state. But on the back
of each card is different lower, different little bit of artwork.
And that's how each subject works. Now, a lot of

(20:18):
these I'm using a combination of stuff here, So a
lot of these I've got public domain images that I
can manipulate and photoshop. Got other cards. Oh, go ahead,
I'm sorry, interrupt me anytime, y'all.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
Please, No, no, no, you're good. You're good.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I would just let you know when you go away
from the mic. Oh so you're good, you're good.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Continue conser, Yeah, yeah, well, and then I've got a
bunch of cards.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I had a question, though, you have the borders you
said are different, So you have the gold, the silver,
and the black. Is that like the level of information
that is, I don't know, conspiracy base that you would
say like a black belt and then silver.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, well sort of. I would say that if there
was any order, the black border is your basic facts
like your birthday, your your career list, and there's there's
definitely some good deep dive information in those black borders.
I wouldn't say that any particular color is you know,

(21:24):
you know, too hotter than the other. Yeah, they all
have an equal amount of hotness, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So it's not like in the in the sports card world,
where you different color borders normally directly translates to it
being numbered like out of ninety nine out of fifty
rare any. Yeah, it's like every like they have sets

(21:50):
of serial numbers. So like I've got a autograph that's
numbered twenty three out of twenty five, right, and it's
a different border than you know, what a rate what
would be considered just a base card. So it kind
of sounds like there's a little correlation there.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
With what you've got going, well, there is there are
some cards that are more rare than others. The printing
company I worked with has the ability to make certain
cards more rare, but I made sure that this first
print run has a generous amount of rare cards because hopefully,
if if this goes on and we're on a series two, three,

(22:29):
and four, then future printings are gonna have less rare cards.
I just feel like anybody interested and is willing to
go full bore on this project deserves to get as
many cards as possible. And I don't know if you
can see it in that shot, but silver has a
little AG symbol next to the number. Gold has an
AG or I'm sorry, au next to it for you

(22:53):
chemistry buffs. So that's the only thing that different differentiates
the numbering system. But there are really neat, reflective, rare,
ultra rare cards and I can show those two you
right now. Let's go.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
This is awesome, man, This is awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And one thing I'm always fascinated by is money. Who
isn't fascinated by money? Crackt it?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So what is nobody?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Right? You got it? So I've got I wanted to
make it to where people that are obsessed can fill
their nine card sheets evenly. That's why there's two hundred
and seventy nine cards. They all fit perfectly. And so
I've got a couple. I've got four cards devoted to

(23:44):
the history of silver. And in the top and the
bottom border, I don't know if you can see that,
it says point nine and it talks about a little
piece of what made silver obsolete in the United States.
That's cool gold. And on the left and the right

(24:06):
we got twenty four K. And that's one of my
favorite cards, where that sob. Roosevelt destroyed gold with this
executive order.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
This is so awesome because it's like, instead of pulling
out your phone when somebody wants to know about a
certain subject matter, you have a way more fun way
to present this information. And I think that what you're
doing here is awesome. I definitely can get on board
with what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Just to google that just the fact that it's a
card instead of your phone, that to me seems like
more of a conversation starter than like me googling something
real quick and telling you what the Internet said. It's like, well,
have you seen this? You know? And then they want
to look into it.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And these are just I mean, look, these are not
meant to be like the final word on anything. I mean,
this is just a primer to get people interested in
reading and going, oh wait, you know, I never knew that.
And every box comes to the checklist, so you know
what you're missing and what you're not. I even got
the rare cards listed on the side, so you know
which ones to look for. And there's a little inspiring

(25:19):
message here so people understand that we're not playing games.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
All right, James, where can people find these?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Uh? Well, this is a plunderworld dot com. And the
the fact what we're gonna do is when we're done
talking today, what we're gonna do. I've got a stack
of packs right here, all right, And so what we're
gonna do is we'll play a little roulette and I

(25:47):
will go through the stack and you tell me to stop,
and then I'm going to open that pack and the
first listener that contacts me in any way they can
find me, and they just mention Kyle Ank. Then I'm
going to mail the contents of that package to them,
all right, for free.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
All right, that's awesome sign.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Let's see here. So you mentioned earlier about like basically
these are pocket memes, okay, so you don't have to
take out your phone, and this is especially important for
people in our kind of interest group. So going back
a couple of years, I think what was making the

(26:37):
rounds was a recording by Richard Nixon talking about Bohemian Grove.
Any if you all recall that, Yes, sure, yeah he
had a few ugly things to say about Bohemian Grove.
But would it surprise you if I said that that
was not true?

Speaker 8 (26:56):
Yes, Okay, I got I got my my son around here,
so I can't quote Richard Nixon verbatim, but I think
Catalyst Jones know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, it has to do with a European cigarette if
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Real quick, but uh, mister James, I think our our
good friend Drew from from Australia has just took you
up on your offer. He's listening and uh in our live.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Chat on wait a.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Minute, he did say after after we're done.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I haven't let the bull out of the box yet. Okay, y'all,
so just back off, all right, and all right, let's
so all right, all right, all right, right, So we
got to make some rules here, Okay. You got to
contact like, you know, find me, find me on like
Instagram or my my email or something. Okay, and it
needs to be in the United States. I mean, dude,
I'm not I'm not shipping these where Kangaroo's.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Fart, you know, due, You're out of luck, bro, Sorry,
but I love you is gonna drop soon and you
crush that.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
So now you know why they hop around so much. Okay,
So what I'm gonna do is I gotta find this
page here. There's a couple of entries in this. I'll
be quick about it. I don't want to bore people
to death, but this is the kind of work you
gotta do. I mean a lot of the creating and
researching is done in the dark. So anyways, Richard Nixon's

(28:29):
autobiography quotes him talking about Bohemian Grove. Okay, and I
can't read it from here, so I'm just gonna hold
it up. I just want you to know that I've highlighted.
I know I know where it's at. In the summer
of nineteen fifty, I saw him, meaning Eisenhower at close

(28:50):
quarters at the Bohemian Grove. Now this is where he
talks about Herbert Hoover. Herbert Herbert Hoover had the biggest
club at Bohemian Grove called the Caveman Group, and everybody
wanted to be a part of it. Eisenhower gave a
huge speech at the Lakeside Amphitheater and that's when Nixon

(29:11):
was introduced to Eisenhower. Now that's nineteen fifty. Richard Nixon
made his famous quote about Bohemian Grove in I think
sixty seven, so he had already been going there for
over fifteen years on the rag. He also met Ronald
Reagan there and he also praised how wonderful a time

(29:33):
he had there with the boys. Now, his big problem
with Bohemian Grove is once the hippie culture infected the
Californians that visited there, they brought a lot of their hedonism,
and that's what Nixon was complaining about, not Bohemian Grove
itself per se. So I hope that clears up at

(29:56):
clears up some details. Yeah, yeah, anyways, I mean I
could stop talking for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
I mean, shoot, you're good, Kyle, Kyle and Hank, didn't
you guys have on the ex Satanic High wizard or
priest that actually was at Bohemian Grove more than once.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, correct, correct, yes, mister Zachary King, And yeah I.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Could he could verify that it was very much like
a European cigarette over there.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh yes it is, Oh yes, big time. Now. I
mean as far as, like you know, rare stuff, I
mean I still collect weird stuff. I mean I came
across this not too long ago. But y'all know who
Dennis Hastard is.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I'm not aware.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Okay, Dennis Hastard Well was a Republican congressman, Speaker of
the House no less. And when was this card printed?
Nineteen eighty nine? So any all familiar with baseball cards
that kind of looks like an old Fleer baseball card. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, it's got that look. But Dennis Hastard

(31:19):
was basically third in line to the president, Okay, and
he got into some hot water, dude. Okay, this guy
was touching kids, all right, and he was paying them off.
And I picked this sucker up on eBay for like
five bucks. I'm like, well, I gotta have Dennis Hastert's
rookie card. I mean that's just too cool. But uh,

(31:43):
little that's pretty cool. I mean, I don't. I guess
I missed the I missed the mid and late and
eighties and nineties when you know this kind of stuff,
When you had it, you felt like trans aggressive. I mean,
you felt like you had something that would get you
thrown into suspension in school if you were caught with it.

(32:06):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah, that's how I felt about garbage pail kids exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, And that's that's kind of the
feeling I want to create. I mean, there was a
series of cards that we found at a bookstore called Coupe
de Tas, and I think you can pick them up online,
but it's a self contained set and it's about the
jfk assassination. And the artwork on these cards is disturbing.

(32:33):
I loved it. I love I love really dark, you
twisted looking Cuthulhu stuff. And it's just that haunting imagery
just blows my mind. I mean, I'm no artist, I'm
no historian, but I mean, you'll ever seen what's that painting?
Saturn devouring his children? Who made that? That's on the

(32:56):
tip of my.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Tongue anyway, Saturn devouring his children? Is it like somebody
like Picasso or Michael.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, it's a it's a famous not no no, no, no,
no no, But I can research that a little later.
Shouldn't bring it up without knowing the artist's name. Good job,
James bob ro Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Devouring and his son is a painting by Francisco Goya.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's it. Yeah, it's It's one of those paintings where
you look at it and it's it's horrifying, but at
the same time it's you're wondering more what's going on
outside the borders of the image. And I love art
like that, where your your mind is creating these worlds
and you're only giving a glimpse. There's a Polish artist

(33:49):
named beck Sinsky and uh he he puts people like
hr Geiger to shame. This guy draws them a haunting
landscapes and he's made He's there in the hundreds and
they look like the cover of Mega Death albums. They're incredible.

(34:11):
You know, in my life, if I could ever make
something like that, I would just be I would be
one satisfied.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Do you do the art on your cards?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I do some well, I mean I do art in
a I guess more of a collage kind of way.
I'm you know, like I said earlier, I'm I'm handy
with photoshop. I'm handy with a camera. I try to
create things in camera when possible. So a lot of
my cards, see him pull up another example here. So

(34:45):
if I just bear with me here, like, uh so,
I'll write the narrative first, and then the narrative is
going to become fodder to create the artwork. And that's
what I want. I need to come up with ideas.

(35:08):
And so if I pull up my yeah, there we go,
that's the wrong one. I'll show that one off a
little later. There we go. Okay, So like this particular image,
these two cards, for example, these are ones I made
in camera with a little bit of photoshop. That's my

(35:28):
hand and then there's my hand on the counter and
I'm drawing a message on the wall. But this is
some of the cards. I'm using a whole bunch of
public domain material, and I've got a couple of resources
for any people out there that are interested, I would highly,

(35:50):
highly highly recommend getting a free account to something like Invato,
Elements or design Cuts. Now there are websites where you
can download all kinds of handy stock, vectors and pngz
you can manipulate on your end, but once a week

(36:12):
they give you a couple of freebies, whether it's a
font or a collection of textures. And if you're slightly
savvy at photoshop, and you know, maybe you're good at illustrator,
or maybe you use free programs like Inkscape, these assets
are invaluable. They're they're wonderful. So I do a lot

(36:33):
of collage work. I had to teach myself illustrator to
get this project off the ground, and that is one
tough sucker to learn. It is it looks like Photoshop,
but it is not like Photoshop.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Okay, no it's not.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
But in once you master it, it becomes just as
fun as Photoshop, and you can create things out of
nothing a lot easier than you can within Photoshop.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
You don't have to have a base at all.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
You can just start and with the vector images is
amazing because you can make something as tiny as a
pin a pin prick and blow it up the size
of a billboard and you're not going to lose any
definition in your in your artwork.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, I've used vectors a lot. When it comes to video,
work and after effects because of that very reason. You know,
you need to grow things and shrink things without epixelating.
And I made every mistake when it came when it
comes to designing artwork for cards. The printer did not
want my photoshop documents. I made them and c M

(37:36):
y K color. I know about print, but they said no, no, no,
no no, we need vector files. And I go, oh, crap,
and I almost gave up the project. I said, well
there too, I'm I guess I'm never going to do this.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
So well, I'm glad that it didn't stop you. Uh
and and nothing is worth doing if it's just simple, right.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
That's right. I mean, I look, I'm a dude. I
know nothing about childbirth, Okay, but I do. I do
believe strongly that the closest I'm going to get is
a form of creation that causes you enough stress that
I mean, you feel you feel like mental anguish because
you want to pull something off and you want to

(38:22):
pour your guts into it, and that that act of
creativity is what I hope, I hope more people can
experience on their end. It's it's just so, it's it's
so wonderful when you when you encounter something like that.
There's a sculptor in uh, Japan, and he makes these

(38:44):
weird looking sculptures that look like trash that you just
glued together, and it looks like garbage until you shine
a light at the right angle and on the wall
is a perfect shadow of like a hot chick riding
a motorcycle. Like, whoa, how did you figure that out?

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I love innovative, creative shit like that. And my mom,
of all people, sent me something that blew me away.
I've never seen anything like it before, and this is
recently and I'm glad it's fresh in my memory, but
what you just said totally reminded me of it. And
this guy he would make these things and it looked
it would look like a hummingbird or a bee or.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Something, and it looks completely real.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
And then when you go to the side at a
different angle, you can see that it was all put
together with just random trash, like old toys and stuff
that he had just come across.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
It was amazing.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
That is so wild.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Catalys I actually I just saw one very recently as well,
and the amount of work I can only imagine. I'm
not an artist, far from it, but I know exactly
what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (39:59):
Once you get a it's just little random pieces of
just random.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Again, as Catalyst said, random stuff, whether that be a toy,
a feather, a piece of metal, just junk.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
But what beautiful, beautiful artwork they're doing with that, just incredible.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
The creativity is I think lacking because we're being slowly
turned into an ant colony that just wants to work
and die and that has to stop, and we all
feel it. And I think when we're exposed to you know,
music or stories or artwork that forces you to consider

(40:38):
what amount of time it took and what intent it took,
it reveals to yourself what you might be capable of. Now,
I call myself a pessimistic optimist in this regard, and
I'll explain that. I think optimistically we're all gifted. We
all have something that is either we're expressing or or

(41:00):
it's lurking inside. The pessimistic side is that we want
it a specific way, we want it to be on
our terms, and we don't realize either the tools, the education,
the random stuff we might have in our garage, or
the friends and family we have access to that can
help us get to that creative endpoint. So what I

(41:25):
mean by that is, right now, everybody listening, everybody watching,
everybody not watching, they've got, you know, enough resources probably
to collect together and start something either really productive or creative,
whether it's a new skill or hobby or trade. I mean,

(41:47):
education is basically free now, but the only thing you
can't change is laziness. Equipment's cheap. And I hope that
makes sense, but I think that is more of a
positive message than a negative one. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
The greatest thing of what you're saying now is we
have all of this at our fingertips to Whereas before,
if you wanted to learn these things, you had to
go in a roundabout way and find a master at
these things to be able to learn from, or you
had to take classes and whatnot. Now I mean, you
could never change a thermostat in your life. Go out
there and get the part and have your phone, watch

(42:27):
YouTube and change the thermostat right there.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
And it's just like that.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
And I was just I had my daughter on recently
and she was talking about how she likes to utilize
it because she likes to master something, and like six
months she masters something and then she moves along she
takes that, she puts it in her tool belt, and
now she's ready to move on and utilize that further
in life and learn something new. And unfortunately, these younger

(42:56):
generations aren't aware of the power of that tool that
we have right here.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
That sounds I agree, it sounds like the apple didn't
fall fall far from the tree. I would say you
did an incredible job there, And because I know you
have mastered, in my my opinion, many things you know,
and I know you put a lot of a lot
of time, blood, sweat and tears into into your craft,

(43:25):
which in my opinion would not only be your show,
but all the the graphic designing that you do, and
I mean just absolutely incredible.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
So yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Awesome, man, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Thank you brother, Yes, sir, So what made you what
made you want to do these cards?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
James?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Like?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Was it? Was it your love of cards?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Is that what made you decide to use this information
into cards?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yourr That's part of it for sure. I mean as
a kid, I spent I spent a fortune of my
parents' money on basketball cards, on baseball cards I always wanted.
In fact, today, if I could afford it, I would
buy one of the uh what's his name? He's it

(44:14):
was a Fleer card and here I go again with
the names. But he's holding a bat and on the
bottom of the bat. Yeah, that's the one. It's a
Barry No Bobby Billy Ripkin. That's the card I always wanted.
And they quickly recalled that card. Yeah, and they put

(44:39):
a black box on the bottom of that bat. And
I've always wanted to have that card. And then I
had a whole bunch of which brand was it that
had the Menindez brothers in the background, the basketball card
flear Okay, Yeah, I had a whole I had a
whole set of those, and it's I mean long gone,

(45:00):
I'm sure, but man, I want.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
To get my hands on. I want my hands on
some of those. That's freaking well.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I was like, you see, always like the cards that
had I was like, always like the cards that had
like strange or funny photographs. Like there's this great Dominique
Wilkins basketball card where he's it's like they got it
right as he's dunking the ball, but right behind him,
I forget who's behind him. It's out of focus. But
the guy who didn't block the shot is standing there

(45:27):
scratching is junk right there on the card, and it's
he's got this look on his face like, yeah, I'm
on the way him score. You know. It's that's the
kind of stuff I look at.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
The only one that I apparently my parents have a
chest full of all a bunch of my childhood stuff
that I haven't seen in years. But one card that
I was able to hold onto throughout the years, and
it's my favorite one is not worth a lot of money.
But do you guys remember the Bo Jackson card where
it's black and white and he's got the baseball bat

(45:57):
and thereads.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It was an S side cover, Yeah, yes, it was.
It was.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
It was a Becket cover too cool.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Oh, that's an iconic card.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
That's like one of the cards that like almost every
card collector that's older than thirty has in their collection.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Yeah, that's why it's not worth a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
My person favorite worthless card is I don't have the original.
I've got a reprint of it, but it's the Nolan
Ryan card where he's in his in a suit with
the football. It's a it's an old stadium Club Card,
I do believe, but it's just an amazing He's just
standing there with the football. I think it's at some

(46:43):
event or something, but Nolan Ryan's the hosts man.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Like yeah, especially he beat the crap out of Robin Ventura.
That was awesome. I mean he.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Struck out dudes and then was striking out their sons
in the in the league like he pitched through in
four different decades.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
And it was.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
A different game back then because he was pitching so
much more. You know, our buddy Kirby Whenever whenever I
noticed that his team's on, I'll turn on the TV
or I'll flip it on the channel. And I've only
been lucky enough to catch him pitching like twice, you know,
and went back in the day. Whenever I wanted to

(47:27):
see Dennis Eckersley pitch, I knew for a fact I
was going to see him pitch.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Nolan Ryan's arm was so wore out after
like his first two thousand or so strikeouts, that he
went out and struck out another.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Two thousand or so people.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Just you'll never see another. Baseball has gotten so far
away from where it inherently started, as far as you know,
this is a man's game and you go out like
there was a dude back in the day. I just
heard his name yesterday on a pot cast. I'll listened to.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
He had sixty three wins in a season. That's sixty
three wins in a season. You're never a Pitcher's not
going to play in sixty three games in a season.
Not a reliever, not a starter, nobody.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Yeah, do you have any cards in there that are
sports related, because there are quite a few sports related conspiracies,
I'm sure, well not in this series.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
My main goal is to document the people, the events,
and the technology that generally affect the state of the
world today. In the future, I do plan on making
parody cards, mimicking maybe other classic sports cards. You know,
I might mimic famous magazine covers with series two. That's

(48:54):
I'm trying to throw everything against the wall and see
what sticks. I mean, I still got like five hard
vibes full of old photos. I mean this is yeah,
this is actually.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
These well officially for you know, available to the public,
because like, yeah, officially it was older. But you've got
a COVID lockdown in there, so yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Mean, the the these cards were I mean, I I
had completed the ninety subjects in twenty twenty two, and
I had I've never done anything like this before, and
so I tried to do a self you know, a
self promoting gofund me. But I didn't use gofund me
because I think, I think GoFundMe is retarded. Okay, I

(49:43):
think programs like that all they do is it's you
still have to share them link, you still have to
get the word out, you still have to do all
the leg work. So just do it yourself, you know.
And I had people commit and they pre ordered, and
I had a goal. Okay, if I can get this
number of people to commit, then that will pay for

(50:04):
the first printing, and then once I sell out of
the first printing, that will pay for another one and
hopefully finance a second series and and beyond. But that
COVID lockdown card, that's that's artwork I've had for years.
There's a bridge out here in Houston and people like
just putting locks on it. And you go to that

(50:25):
same bridge today and there's a big giant skyrise blocking
the view of downtown. So that shot is not even
available anymore. Wow U.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yeah, there's a there's a poster.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
It's an iconic poster and it and it came out
after nine to eleven and it's a picture of a
little girl and and the towers are there in the
background and it says, I think, it says the world
you grew up in no longer exists, and it and
it's just such a powerful.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Picture that it kind of just shows you.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
And I like how you tied in to these cards
your own you know, I'm sure a lot of your
own photography and and or pictures that you that are
just not really available anymore. Sure you can go you
might be able to find them on the internet, but
things change, the environment changes, and so on and so forth,
and just real quick, man, Like.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
The power of the power of pictures are huge.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
And you know, now we all have you know, we
all have our phones that stores thousands and thousands and
thousands of photos. You got the cloud you can upload
things onto and.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
What have you.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
But there's something to be said about an actual physical photo.
And I really like that how you've incorporated that with
these cards just absolutely incredible, man.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Bro, These are fucking awesome.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
As you're going through these, I'm looking at them with
the biggest grin on my face right now.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Because these are so fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm writing, Yeah, God, have to collect the set. Does
that not look like Bill Belichick right there?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Let me tell you this guy, he probably he's probably
about as mean as Bill Belichick. I'm just showing up
that these are prototypes for series two. So I'm actually,
uh so. The only reason I bring this up is that, like,
I've got a I mean I have I have I
have a huge folder devoted to like easily eight hundred

(52:31):
subjects that are gonna be future cards, and so I
decided that to vide him in a half, I got
I got ones that I needed to deep dive research on,
pull out all the books. And then I've got some
that are almost current events where there's enough in the
news to kind of document enough facts, and those don't

(52:52):
take much time at all. But I'm showing off Saint
John Philby because this subject went off into all different directions,
and I want to say I was. I was cranking
away on these subjects for like three weeks. It's it.

(53:12):
It's basically like I I mean, I mean, I never
knew much about the Middle East growing up. I don't
think any of us really paid attention to any of
that garbage. And so in lieu of everything that's been
going on in the current events of Israel and Iran
and you know what, what in the world, where are
we friends with Saudi Arabia. It's like, okay, where do

(53:34):
I start? And this is when I want to bring
it back to Richard Grove a grand theft world, because
when he shows off a book, it's kind of like
you can trust the source. He has the books. And
that's what I've always wanted, just somebody to show me
which books because there's so many and I don't have
that much time. And so Richard Grove, I don't know

(53:59):
if I have this other book in reach. But he
was talking about the Middle East and he was talking
about Saint John Philby, and so I got a couple
of books about Saint John Philby and this son of
a gun he is the reason why we have a
Saudi Arabia. He helped found the entire nation and he
was a British spy. This guy is he helped get

(54:22):
American all interests into the country. He was best friends
with King Foud, who was the King Sad. He's the
one who founded the Saudi Arabian Kingdom, and his son
is Kim Philby, and I got his prototype here somewhere.

(54:43):
Oh wait, that's on my dad gummit. I'm kinda all
over the place here.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
Sorry, guys are fine, Yeah, yeah, I just hate wasting
all his time.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
The Philby bloodline have any ties in with the parasitic elite.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Oh yes, In fact, that's what I'm trying to pull
up right now. You're gonna love this because this is
why this subject took so dad gum long, because it's
just the ripple effect. It's it's it's it's less like
a pond of water and more like a tsunami. Because
we're still feeling the effects. Okay, I mean.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
They're the.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Level of just unbelievable. I'm stalling here so I can
get this appear. Yeah, it's okay. So anyways, okay, So
Kim Philby, Kim Philby is the son of Saint John Philby,
and he is he was a spy for the Commis

(55:45):
in Russia at the time, and this goes back to
the nineteen forties, and he was an I six agent.
Let me get out of that's gonna get irritating if
I leave it. Going on wow. And he was friends
with Guy Burgess and he was another spy and they

(56:08):
had they had worked together in consort with three other
spies that would steal and send information from the British
and the burgeoning CIA at the time, and they would
send it to Russia. And the interesting thing about these
guys is they all went to the same school in

(56:28):
Cambridge in England. And yeah, imagine that. And they were
members of a secret society there called the Cambridge Apostles. Okay,
Now Kim Philby wasn't a member of the Cambridge Apostles,
but he met Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt and this
guy whose name you should know, Victor Rothschild. Okay, Now,

(56:54):
if I can get that to stick, I maybe I
can pause it somehow.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
While you're doing that, is Victor Rothschild? Like could be wrong?
Is he the one that just died in a house fire?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
No, Hollywood or la because one of the Rothschilds just
passed away, very mister. It was a mysterious fire. There's
not a whole lot of talk about it. And it happened,
I want to say, like the day after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
But you are now that guy was weird he was.
He was rumored to be a recluse. Jacob oh Jacob No,
Jacob was the one of the older patriarchs who died.
This guy was a lesser Wrothschild.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
Did Jacob sounds familiar though.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Jacob did die, but he died like a couple of
months ago. This particular Rothschild he had a a real
estate company. The neighbors said that he some people didn't
even know anybody lived at this house. He was a
recluse and not much is known about the guy. But well,

(58:03):
going back to Victor h. Victor was the third baron
of the Rothschild family. So the first baron being Edmund,
the second baron being Lionel Walter, who is responsible for
the Balfourt Declaration. Anybody who knows that that uh, that
document basically started the trouble we have now in Israel

(58:24):
with Palestine. And the third baron was his nephew, Victor Rothschild,
who was also a Cambridge apostle, and he had a
flat in London that he rented out to Guy Burgess,
Anthony Blunt, Kim Philby, and he was connected to these

(58:47):
communist spies and several books like the one I'm trying
to find here connect Victor Rothschild's just run a bunch
of cards.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Hey, was that fucker's name Day or d just d E. Rothschild?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
That I think it was David. I think his name
is David or something. Yeah, that sounds familiar, okay.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Because I'm looking it up and it's just a capital
D E. Rothschild was not posing And I just kept
reading that and I'm like, wait, is that that is that?

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Actually his fucking name.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Is just d E. That would be kind of weird.
But this book, that this is a monster. This book
will take I don't know if you can see how
thick that sucker is. But I got, I got. This
is the other thing. Just on a side note, there
are more. There are more bookmarks that have slipped through

(59:46):
the pages in there. One thing I discovered is that
number one I did. I did not know how to read, Okay,
And I'm being a little facetious because, like you know,
like I said earlier, you read a book, you highlight
something and then you shut it and you never remember
it again. And that's not how you're supposed to read.

(01:00:07):
You know, what you need to do is you need
to highlight things and you need to add some bookmarks
in there with notes where they connect what other pages,
what other books or sources. So when you pull it
off the shelf, you can go, oh, okay, all right,
well this connects to that book, and that helps you
jump around and find subjects. And something that makes me

(01:00:28):
so angry is when I find a book and the
editor is too dad gum lazy to include an index.
Oh they drives me crazy. Okay, It's like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
I find that it helps me.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
It helps me retain the knowledge when I write in
my books as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, you know. And so this particular book goes I
mean this is a deep dive book. I mean it
goes all over the place talking about the Soviet spy
ring that was infiltrating I six, there's I don't want
to keep boring you all to death of books. I'll
shut up here in a second. I just you know that. See.

(01:01:08):
So this book is the basic plane vanilla explanation of
what Kim Philby did as a Soviet spy. And it's
not that detailed, but it does connect a lot of
interesting dots to him and his father, Saint John, and
that one's heavily tabbed. Also there's a but if anybody

(01:01:32):
that is confused about how I six operates, everybody thinks
it's James Bond. This book actually has one really good
chapter that just talks about the nuts and bolts of
how m I five is different than I six And
so if I mean, it's kind of boring protocol stuff,
but at least you sound intelligent if somebody brings it up, right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Yeah, yeah, So is there is there really big differences?
I mean yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
So like M I five is more like the Uh
they're there. They're the boring cataloging department. They keep the notes,
they keep the records, they keep the archives. They're the
paperwork team. Okay, now they do some investigative work, but
it's not it's not like the FBI and the c
I A and m I six. They're the ones that

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do all the globe trotting and the you know, personal
investigations and the spy stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
So there Samuel L.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Jackson and the Rock and M five is is uh
the other.

Speaker 10 (01:02:34):
Guys you got it? Gotcha, as simple as that. So
the uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
What's interesting is that when you read about Philby's family,
you get a you get a better understanding of how
the Middle East took shape. It's and this is what
I'm talking about ripples, is that you you dig into
one subject and you see how it just it it
forms so much of the modern world around us. I

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would highly recommend this book. Shoot my stacks getting too high.
This is a great book, and it's all about the Warburgs.
And it's because I've gotta I'm starting to get into
the Warburgs. The Max Warburg is uh. He was a
German banker working for NM Warburg during World War One

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and World War Two. He met with his brother Paul
Warburg during the Treaty of Versailles after World War One
and helped broker the Versailles Agreement, which put Germany into
such a crushing amount of debt. And that's right there
where most people think the conspiracy ends. They're like, WHOA,

(01:03:54):
that's convenient. Two brothers helped broker the deal on opposite
sides of the Atlantic. No, it's deeper than that, y'all.
Max Warburg is you know, he's kind of responsible for
Japanese imperialism that led to the raping of Nan King. Oh,
I mean, it's incredible, he's uh, but I find I

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found this just the other night. This blewed my hair
inside out. I couldn't believe. I mean, stuff like this
excites me. Okay, this is to me, this is as
exciting as getting you know, that baseball card with the
you know, the baseball bat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
So in Japan there's a business structure and it's called
zaibatsu z A I B A T s U. And
it's a Japanese structure for corporations where members of a
family run individual departments. Like you'd say you're selling you know, furniture. Well,

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one family member, the patriarch, he has the storefront. Well,
his nephew runs the shipping, and the you know, the
other nephew does the billing. And so that way, everybody's
focused on one separate part of the business, so they're
never infighting about what direction the company should take. Now, okay,
where Now that concept was invented for the Japanese by

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Max Warburg. Okay, because in nineteen oh six Max Warburg
was friends with Jacob Schiff, uh, the other you know
banker from our greatest allies, you know. So he went
ahead and had a personal ax to grind against Russia,

(01:05:38):
and Jacob shift went in and personally financed the Japanese
Russian War. He gave Japan a gigantic loan, and then
he talked Max Warburg into giving them a loan. And
this loan helped pay for the Japanese military, their navy,
and it gave them a taste of victory. And then

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they decided to go into China and Korea, and so
all the destruction and devastation Japan caused prior to World
War Two you can blame on Max Warburg.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Okay, how funny is it the last name Warburgs is
funding these wars?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Well, you know which, I forget which Warburg One of
them was actually lampooned. Any all familiar with Little Orphan, any.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
With the Tale of It?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know Daddy Warbucks. Yes, yeah,
well Daddy Warbucks is he's a lampoon or a you know,
caricature of one of the Warburgs. I think it's Paul Warburg.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Oh okay, yeah, Daddy Warbucks Warburg. Okay, yeah, I see
the type.

Speaker 10 (01:06:46):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
As funny as my sister wore that VHS out so
much that I ended up recording over it with the
movie rad which is a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Dude that is that is great read.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I storry interrupt, but like, uh, you know, doing doing
research myself and looking into this and that, and you
know all that fun stuff. I have to be honest
with you, I have never once, to my knowledge, have
ever heard of the Warburgs at all. Due so that's
that's interesting knowledge, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
The Warburgs are. They're just as important as the Rockefellers,
the Shifts, the Rothschilds, every every banking dynasty. Let's put
it this way. If you read about a banking family
and they're not referred to by their last name, they're
called the house of then they're important. So there's literally
the House of Warburg. Okay, And I'm trying to do

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some more deeper dives. If any of y'all are familiar
with the background of the Fimar Republic after World War One,
it was a state of absolute poverty and degeneracy in Germany.
This is when you had the first cases of transgenderism
and actual surgeries and procedures. You had actual psychologists and

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doctors advocating it. You had this arts community that most
traditional Germans couldn't stand because they were introducing these strange
behaviors and societal changes and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
James, is this prior to Maoism?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Well, this would probably I would. I would say this
is concurrent because see I haven't done too much of
a deep dive into where Maoism falls into that timeline.
But this is going to be around nineteen thirteen, I mean,

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this is the teens.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
So yeah, so they coincide with each other pretty much,
and that's where Marxism was adopted. Well, yeah, a little
bit later, and then I would say that Marxism adopted
its foundation from both of those institutes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Well, the interesting thing is that Max Warburg helped finance
a lot of these art communities in Weymar, Germany. His
wife was also a big patron. She actually established some
relatives of the Warburg's actually helped smuggle a lot of

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these psychologists and psychiatrists out of Weymar prior to the
rise of the Third Reich.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Holy shit, James, does this have because Hitler had his
ties in with higher bloodlines and he was an art
school an ex art school student. Correct? Is is this
have anything to do with him?

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Well, I mean in a way. I mean, the thing
is is that that there was the document that was
written talking about Hitler's family connection to the Rothschilds was
a fraud, that Chicel Gruber Lady that was invented to

(01:10:13):
demonize him in the party. And this is before the
Reichstag fire where he blamed Communists for burning it down.
It was a smear. It was a smear campaign. But
it's being an art student. Yeah. Absolutely, he was an artist,
but I mean, I don't his he he had an
interest in art, but he he liked things that were pure.

(01:10:37):
He liked things that had like direct meaning you didn't
have to interpret. There wasn't any sort of like, uh
you know, like Pollock style paintings or you know, a
banana tape to a wall, you know, garbage like that.
But the uh if, in fact, it's in Wikipedia. I mean,
if you look up, like you know, Weimar Public, you'll

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find links to the chief doctor who was in charge
of this clinic for surgeries, and then you're going to
find out exactly what kind of books they were burning
around that time.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Yeah, had to do with transgenderism, and that's all the
shit that we want to get out of our schools
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm not making excuses for anything that happened
that long ago. I mean it's horrible, it's tragic. But
the more you read into it, you realize that you
were sold a lot of lies as a kid in
history class. I mean you're presented with this like man
who just decided to turn into you know, you know,
Satan's six thousand overnight and just just kill people because

(01:11:42):
he hated them. Well, no, no, no, no, no, that
there's more to it than that. I mean, if we
want to go by sheer numbers, you know how many
Iraqis died under Bush Junior. You know how many people
died under polepot in Cambodia. I mean, we're if it's
a numbers game, then we're leaving out a lot of people.

(01:12:04):
But the history is so fascinating. You're you're looking at
like going back to art. I was always told that
Hitler wanted music and art that represented the fatherland and
celebrated Germany, and that's why he liked Richard Wagner's music.
You know, I'm sure you've heard Wagner before, But that's

(01:12:28):
not true. That's not true. There was a band, there
was a boycott around the world that was fomented by
the very people that were being persecuted against the changes
that Hitler wanted to implement, and so Italian composers fringe composers,

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they boycotted their work from ever being used in Germany.
So that only leaves the German composers. It's not like
he chose Wagner because of some you know, weird, you know,
we're better than you attitude. It's because that's all he
could get. You watch you watch the film footage of

(01:13:13):
the Olympics. The first Olympics that was held in was
at thirty six thirty no, no, no, that was the
thirty nine I think and look these Jesse Owens does
the race and nobody's yelling and screaming. Everybody's cheering them
on No, nobody's talking about master race this they're celebrating

(01:13:35):
the physical achievement of man and it's on film. I
mean watch them. Nobody's pointing and yelling and throwing trash
at him, calling him epithets, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
That's I think that's a big that's that's something that
at least in this community, you know, not straying too
far away from art, but when it comes to history.
That's like one of the biggest issues that I have
with my daughter going to a public school. My daughter
is homeschooled, and it's one of those things where.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
I don't now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
I went to school, right, and I read these history books,
and you know, I guess I turned out all right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
But why now I'm having to go back and relearn.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
All these things because of what we were told by I
believe that the Rockefeller education system was bullshit.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Yeah, if you look at the back of all the
textbooks that were in school when we were growing up,
our parents were growing up, and our children are growing
up right now, they all say Rockefeller on the back
of it, or Scholastic, which is also another organization that's
just underneath that umbrella. And a lot of the things
that James is talking about right now is documented in

(01:14:57):
the new documentary that Sean Hibbler and Stut Peters just
put out. It's called Occupied. You can go watch it
on free, go watch it on X for free.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
But if you are let's just say that a lot
of people are.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Gonna take this movie as anti semitic if you don't
have the backing going into it knowing what the things
that we know already as to be true. If you
believe the story that you were told about Hitler and
the Holocaust and what we were told growing up in school.
Then this is going to be something that triggers the

(01:15:35):
fuck out of you and you're not ready for it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Look, blow my mind. I don't care. I want to
know the truth. I want to know. I'm a reasonable guy.
I'm not offended easily. I self depreciate myself more than
anybody can insult me. I don't care. And I think
if we had more of an attitude like that, especially
as a nation, then it's you know, we can get
past all this garbage that interviews with conversations. You, Kyle,

(01:16:02):
you brought up education and that's one of my favorite subjects.
God bless you from homeschooling. I do the same thing
with my son. It is uh is wonderful to hear
other people doing it. This this particular book was given
him my grandfather, and it's this I've talked about this
in other streams, but if you're familiar with the John
Burt Society, this pretty much marked their entrance onto the

(01:16:27):
national stage. But John Stormer has a section in here
where he talks about nonprofit organizations creating the National Education Association,
and this ties into UNESCO. This ties into the Huxleys,
you know, like Aldest Huxley. Yeah, brave New World stuff

(01:16:50):
like that, and so the so we're told that John
Dewey created the modern education system. And John Dewey, he's uh,
his theory was is that he wanted a child focused education.
Now that sounds pretty vague, but it's more sensory than
you think. Now, this is basically influenced by communism because

(01:17:12):
all of these people involved in developing education were Fabian
socialists or an American counterpart. That's a cute doggie by
the way. So yes, So anyways, he names names in
this book, and two of them are very important. One
is named Harold Rugg and the other one is this
dude named George Counts. And I had to make a

(01:17:34):
card out of this guy. Now, George Counts, he is
responsible for creating the subject we all hated in high school.
Can you name what is the least favorite subject in
high school? And I'll bet you are correct. Social studies
nailed it, nailed it ding social studies. Well, social studies.

(01:18:00):
George Counts combined geography, economics, sociology into one subject called
social studies. And his reason is is that at the
time you got to realize this is like in the
mid nineteen I want to say, late nineteen twenties, but
he wrote a whole bunch of articles beforehand. You could
find them all on the internet, and they're explosive because

(01:18:22):
he complains about the education of children in the Midwest
growing up in rural communities, because all they know is
their farm life, their church, their community, and they don't
know anything about the great outside world. And so we
need to change that, and so we need to develop
an education system where these children are exposed to what
people are doing in Nairobi or what they're doing in Malaysia,

(01:18:45):
and it politicizes children. That's the key. It gets children
focused on outside problems around the world, and it gets
them to want to take political action. And so this
was in investigated by the Rece Committee in the thirties
and they came to the realization that these nonprofit organizations

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were severely impacting education and it gets worse. So to
spread the idea of social studies, there was a man
by the name of Paul Hannah, and you could find
some of these magazines that he made for high schools
online and it's called UH. I think it's called Understanding America.

(01:19:29):
I think that's what they're called. But basically, there were
these little magazines sent out to high schools about subjects
around the world, getting children in high school politicized to
care about other things besides their immediate community, their immediate family,
their immediate church. So I was at a bookstore. There's
like five really awesome bookstores in Houston, and I was

(01:19:51):
walking by the old textbook section and I saw on
the spine social Studies, and I said, wait a minute,
that's not supposed to be there. Okay, this is after
I knew about George Counts, And what this is is
this is a grade school book kind of like you know,
ce Spot Run and it's all about communism. No way, dude, dude,

(01:20:15):
some I gotta see if I can find some of
these examples.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Oh and look at that. There's a little checkout mark on.
So this was in a school library at one point.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Huh Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Says nineteen forty eight. Oh wow, what a fine man, dude.
You know I saw this score. How much was this sucker?
I spent like twenty twenty three bucks, dude, that was
totally worth it. Sure, but it go. You know, this kid,
he's on a farm and he's lonely. Schools about to start,
and his friend is visiting from the city and talks

(01:20:45):
about how awesome the city is. Oh, you got to
go to the city. Well, why do I need to
go to the city. Well, because they have a big
fire department. And the reason is is that you see,
if you're in the country and let's see, I gotta
find the page, dude. It's it's just this is hard
to do one handed. But if you're in this, if
you're in the country and your barn catches on fire,

(01:21:06):
well tough, look, dude, it's gonna burn down because there's
no fire department nearby in the country, you got to
go to the city. And so it's all this child psychology.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Man, all this propaganda push even to get people into
cities away from their family values.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Always gets worse. Okay, I don't know if you can
see this. But then they they go to a bakery
and they show you how they make bread and there's
no brand on the bread. Okay, this is like generic,
you know, this is like Stalin brand bread. Okay, And
so they they talk about how everybody goes to a
factory and this is how we make the bread. And

(01:21:46):
and there are workers. They keep using that word worker.
That's a popular Communist word. By the way, communism was
basically kind of evolved and dead. This is we're using
old terms. By the way, cherries. The one one to
find was is they literally have like people standing in
line to buy bread. Okay, So the only thing I

(01:22:06):
want to show you, sorry, I gotta find this. There's
one thing here that I found very very very chilling.
I'm just gonna hold it and find it because it's
worth actually quoting. I'm so close. You got I got it,
I got it, I got it. Okay, here we go.
So they're talking about so these kids go tour this

(01:22:28):
bread factory. Okay, oh yeah, look at the bread. Yeah,
I know, I know, I love the color red. Look
at my shirt. Yeah. So we go down to here
and they're talking to this worker or Tom is the
kid they're going at the very bottom of page sixty seven,
if machines could think, he said, I guess they would
make men who could work for them. Notice that, ain't

(01:22:50):
that something? Wow? Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
And this book is from when.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Oh gosh, I'll show you in a second. Here, hold on,
I gotta flip because every every textbook has to have
a teacher's guide. And in the back of this book,
we have a teacher's guide. Let me just flicked to
this so here. I mean, it's a big book for kids.
It's two hundred and forty five pages long. But in

(01:23:17):
the back we've got words. And then at the very time,
what does it say? An interpretive outline of someday soon
a study of a community and it's workers. And it
goes through here, page by page telling children are telling
teachers what to emphasize, you know, what, what orders to follow,
you know, how police protect us. There's a chapter on

(01:23:39):
here about taxation. I mean, it's it's unbelievable, man. And
this is just I mean, I just found this, you know,
it's just like, hey, hey, I know you're indersted in this.
Buy me, buy me, And I mean for crying out
loud the inks in red.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
I mean, in doctor Nation at its finest, that is amazing, man.
I love you pointed out that it's a predictive programming
towards AI as well, and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
I saw you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Guys were blown away by the date of this book
and the fact that it predicted AI. But and this
has been debunked, however, this guy did have an animatronic thing.
Napoleon was the very first person to play against an
AI chess opponent.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Yes, but it's been debunked that it was actually just
some guy in a suit or some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
But there is a there is an actual animatronic signature
machine that was made in like the seventeen hundreds. It's
still on display in England. Yes, yeah, I forget what
I forget what it's called.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
And actually this guy did have a working machine. However,
it wasn't ready by the time Napoleon was ready to
play chess against him, so he faked it that wild.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah, I did not know that French way.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
Yes, sir James. I. So I do have a question
for you. Believe that or not. I got a question
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
So and then we'll we'll oh wow, and then we'll
hit we'll hit Wall Street here. So we were talking
about education, We're talking about books, and my question is
have you come across any books because from what I have,
what I have gathered is that at one point in time,

(01:25:30):
in books that were handed out in school and whatnot,
they were teaching more of a flat earth model.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah, I haven't come across that. I mean I. I mean,
that's not really my area of that's not in I mean,
I'm not the right guy to ask about that. I
mean I've heard, uh, you know, I can't even think
of the word. I've heard examples of that people have interviewed,

(01:26:06):
like dementia ridden people that claim that they were taught
that in school. But these people, they don't know the
difference between Sherman and sandpaper, you know. So I don't
know how much you'll trust that. Well, I do.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
I will tell you this. I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
I recommend you looking into that. And I know it
sounds like a crazy thing, and I don't want to
turn this into a whole a whole flatter debate or
or what have you. But what I will tell you
is there's a very compelling evidence that would suggest that
what we are told as far as the heliocentric model, uh,

(01:26:47):
it does not add up whatsoever. And uh, again, I
don't want to get too far into that. I want
to I want to let you continue, but you have
resources around you and catalyst. This is uh good buddies
with a gentleman who did has done multiple documentaries on

(01:27:08):
multiple matters, but but one of them is whether you
want to call it flat Earth or like anti heliocentric
model or you know what you've been taught in school
is false.

Speaker 7 (01:27:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
But yeah, anyhow, anyhow, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll put that off.
We'll put that off to the side for right now.
But what do you what do you got here for
us Wall Street?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Well, briefly, look, I'm aware of a lot of the arguments,
and they're compelling. I think they raised some interesting questions.
It's just like the problem is there's already enough that
we know is hinky, Like where did all the telemetry
data go for the moon landing. As a photographer, I
can look at all those photos and I can see

(01:27:57):
extra shadows from different sources of light. That amazing shot
of the lunar lander taking off and then the camera
tilting up to follow it. I mean, dude, I read
an article from NASA where they interviewed the man who
supposedly remote controlled that camera, and I know that's crap

(01:28:18):
because the transmission it took for the communication was like
thirteen minutes, no, no, no, I'm sorry, thirteen seconds. So
you had to anticipate the lunar taking off on controlling
that camera thirteen seconds ahead of time. Sorry, I don't
believe that. I don't believe that. I don't. Yeah, I mean, look,

(01:28:40):
I'm I'm aware of that. I just I just don't
know what to do with it. You know, it's it's interesting,
and it doesn't you know, it's not like it's off limits.
It's just I can't I can't find any conclusive source
at this point. All I wanted to get into briefly
is this guy, Anthony Sutton. If you don't know where

(01:29:01):
to start, just get every single book this guy wrote. Okay,
they are fantastic, and it's large print, and it gets
down to brass tacks. It shows you exactly how Wall
Street and all the classic names helped fund the rise
of the Third Reich, the Bolshevik Revolution, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

(01:29:22):
He's also got a great book you can get online
for free about Skull and Bones. If you're familiar with
that secret society. It's If you don't know where to start,
then just start with Anthony Sutton. It's great and it's
it's just it's meat and potatoes all the way through.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
James, I would love to link you up with my friend,
the Paranoid American. He has a comic book publishing company
and he just he just put out a comic. It's
a great comic. It just came out two days ago
and it's him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
And another guy. It's forty years where of research.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Into one comic and it's just about the the Bavarian
Illuminati and it's history and timeline and it's just amazing.
And with what you're doing, it's very It would go
hand in hand with a lot of the projects that
he does. And I think that you would love a
lot of his projects. And I think that you should

(01:30:23):
go on his show. You guys would definitely have fun
talking to each other because you guys are both just history.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Knowledgeable, amazing. It's just a fucking amazing. I would love
to hear both of you guys talk to each other.

Speaker 7 (01:30:34):
Can you imagine that? Could you imagine that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Catalyst?

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
I don't have to, it's gonna happen, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
Catalysts will get you set up, man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Yeah, it's and that's what's beautiful, and analogy continue.

Speaker 7 (01:30:46):
But that's what's so beautiful about this community.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Like, honestly, there'll be people that like, like right now,
right we're all all all four of us are having
this amazing conversation. But in my head and I think
catalysts and possibly Hank also, I've been doing this. We're like,
if we can link up James with so and so

(01:31:10):
or so and so, they would just have a a
day just collabing together, whether it be on a project,
whether it be knowledge, whether it be a debate.

Speaker 7 (01:31:21):
It's just such a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
And yeah, a.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Beautiful thing about the Internet.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
And I think that that is what got away from
them is they didn't expect us to use their weapon
against them, and we're using it to spread knowledge faster
than they can propagate it. And we're we're and we're
debunking their propaganda as fast as they're putting it out too,
because we have so many resources and people like us

(01:31:47):
are talking to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Well, this right now, Yeah, this is I agree with
you more about what we're doing right now than the
resources you can find online. This right here is the
biggest thing that anybody with a little bit of power
is afraid of. That whether it's the news media, whether
it's your mayor you know, whether it's you know what
I mean, This is what they say they're afraid of

(01:32:11):
the most not people researching on their own looking up stuff,
that's fine, but when you're disseminating it, when you have
some knowledge, when you share it. So if you if
you have something or you know something, and you hold
on to it, then you're really doing more harm than good.
All you're doing is like, oh, well look how much
I know and I'm just super smart and I can
just you know, talk about anything and be mister impressive. Well,

(01:32:33):
if you're not sharing it, or you're not exposing people
to it, then.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
You're a third right, yes, or if you hide it
behind a paywall, which I freacking hate. It's like everybody
needs to know this information click here at nineteen ninety nine, Like,
go fuck yourself. If it's that important, you should tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yepate gatekeeping right gatekeeping.

Speaker 7 (01:32:55):
It's one of those things where.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
It's like it is, It's like I am, I came
acro this document and I'm not gonna share it with nobody,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna do my research and I'm
gonna have it on my show, and my.

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
Show is the coolest show, and this is gonna be the.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I'm gonna be the one that that came out with this, dude,
not even maybe like there's a lot of information that
I'm that I'm not I'm not sitting on, but a
lot of things that I have come across that I
have like saved in bookmarks that I'm trying to find
the right people to pass it on to not And
I'm not saying that like I'm I'm I'm just holding it,

(01:33:32):
but I know that there are there are some people
that are gonna be able to really relay this information
out as well as possible so that it gets to
the masses. Because if if you want to be you
know this quote unquote conspiracy theorist and kind of sit
back and.

Speaker 7 (01:33:53):
Essentially what I'm getting at is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Is the more people the marriers spread this because the
sooner that all of us can gather and kind of
come together and accept, you know, the terms of the facts,
you know, we're it's gonna make this world a better place.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
In my opinion, you just touched on something that's amazing,
this wanting to own a little piece of information. I
don't know how long y'all have been into this, but
I've since I was little. I I anyways, years ago,
there was a show run. I think it was called
The Power Hour, hosted by Dave von Kleist and his wife,

(01:34:34):
and they would come on the air after Alex Jones
because in Austin it came over the air for free.
It didn't have to go on the Internet or anything
like that. But they they dug deep into this weird
photographic anomaly below one of the planes that hit the towers,
and they honed in on this weird looking pod that

(01:34:55):
was underneath the plane, and they were speculating about what
it could be. Was there something in it? And they
made documentaries about it, and they brought up that same
point you mentioned, Kyle, and that is is that they
wanted to own it. They wanted they wanted, you know,
people to come to them just for the attention or
the notoriety. And that's the kind of thing that I

(01:35:18):
think you and I both kind of think is a
shame in communities like this, because it's crap.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
It is a shame.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
And I actually just maybe six I don't know, a
little while back ago, I stopped putting content on my
Patreon only because I don't think it's fair. I don't
and everybody should get everything for free. So even on
my rock find channel. Most most people have their stuff

(01:35:47):
set to premium so that you have to subscribe to
rockfin in order to watch your shit.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Fuck that. I put my ship all for free.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Even with one of my sponsors, they were like, oh, yeah,
we give a twenty five percent, so you choose what
you want your listeners to get and then you keep
the rest. And I was like, awesome, give my listeners
twenty five percent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I mean, I love the value for value model, but
I don't know how that applies to you know, goods
you make. I understand the concept of a service or
a stream or even artwork in some cases, but when
it comes to like if you're I mean, I don't
know how the value for value model works when it
comes to fixing your car or getting groceries. You know

(01:36:29):
what I mean? Right? Yeah? I mean some things have
a cost. Some things have you know, labor attached to it,
you know. Briefly, I gotta wind this down at some point, because,
believe it or not, I still have work, I have
I have clients I have to go see tonight. But
I want to leave you with a couple of things
and then we're gonna have some fun and open up
a pack, all right, oh head, yeah, yeah. So earlier

(01:36:53):
I brought up Victor Rothschild, and earlier I showed you
some books by Anthony Sutton. Now Anthony Sutton talk about
how the Bolshevik Revolution was financed by a mission by
the Red Cross. And there's also a gentleman that's brought
up by the name of Robert Bruce Lockhart, and he's

(01:37:14):
connected to the Milner Kindergarten. Sorry if I'm going fast,
but some of these concepts are like twelve books huge.
I'm just kind of jumping around. Bruce Lockhart wrote a
whole bunch of diary entries, and this particular book collects
them from nineteen fifteen to nineteen thirty eight, in which

(01:37:35):
he talks about his involvement in financing the Bolshevik Revolution.
But there's another tidbit, a little bit of tidd that
I found really neat. He met Victor Rothschild. He met
him in April of nineteen thirty two, and this connects

(01:37:55):
back to his Cambridge days. Remember I mentioned that Victor
Rothschild was connected with the Cambridge Apostles and they were
known as a really weird, rowdy bunch. They're into some
let's just say, I gotta be careful here. You know,
the group they were involved with really liked musicals, if
that makes sense. Yeah, and so just he meets Victor

(01:38:19):
Rothschild on this train platform and just I'm skipping to
the end of the paragraph. He talks about how he
and his friends would dope the cocktails of young girls
from London to make them pass out at parties. This
is the Rothschild talking about this while he was at Cambridge.
Now that's important because Victor would deny all these activities

(01:38:43):
and how rowdy the Cambridge apostles were. But here we
have an eyewitness form of testimony from Lockhart basically corroborating
some of the debauchery going on at Cambridge. That's wild, mean.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
And it's one of those tactics that has been used
for so long, and it's not surprising that we're seeing
it there too, you know, from Diddy to Bill Cosby
if that's even true to way back when, I mean,
manipulation and drugs and stuff like that has always been

(01:39:22):
one of their tactics.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Completely, believe me, that's going to be some amazing, amazing
cards in the future. So what we're going to do
is I want to let everybody know that I don't
just send out boxes of cards. I send out promo cards.
I send out prototype cards. If you buy anything from me,
then you can expect freebie's in the mail from time
to time. Okay, I always. I've got a survey out there.

(01:39:47):
I mean, if you get something from me, then please
give me feedback. I want to make sure that I'm
making the best kind of stuff I can make. So
when people order a box of cards, they're going to
get a free prototype card for series two. Okay, it's
and I make prototype cards because I want to see
how the print looks. You know, sometimes there might be

(01:40:10):
some minor typos, or later I might change the design
a little bit. But it's a way to kind of
go ahead and just see how the cards are looking
before I commit to a real print. But everybody's going
to get a free prototype card. This one's about generally
recognized as safe food ingredients. If you know anything about that,
then you know it's serious business.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Wow, what we're gonna do for Maha.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
So I'm going to I'm going to stand over here
and I'm going to move a pack at a time,
and somebody I don't know tell me when to stop.
Is that okay? Or do you want different rules? Okay,
so just tell me when to stop. Stop this one.

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
Yep, we'll go with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Okay, when we move these others out of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
And while you're while you're doing this, I got a
couple of questions before you have to get out of here.
Are these are these cards relatively the same size as
common sports and trading cards?

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Oh? Yes, they'll fit in your pages. They'll, yeah, they'll
they're there. I tried to make them as as close
to the old hobby as possible. That's the point. So
let's rip this bugger open and there might even be
an ultra rare card. And remember, got to be in
the United States, Okay, I mean it's I mean, I
just I mean, let's let's let's sorry, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
And so when you when you do you do you
offer like to sell single packs? Or do you sell
just the one like a big box?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
At this point, right now, I'm only selling boxes and
prototype cards. I am trying to connect with some local
sports cards shows here in Houston so I can get
a table. But for some reason, people seem to be
turning me down. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
So when you buy one of your boxes, is it
a complete set box or is it just random?

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
It's random, you're not gonna get a complete set. See.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
I kind of like that as a as somebody that
really loves to I'm big into baseball cards more than
anything else. So I love buying boxes of baseball cards
and me and my wife will sit there and rip
them open. It's fun. So I like having to chase
something to complete the set. This is gonna be fun, man.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
I haven't done this and so long.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
This is awesome. So we're gonna get the black border
East India Company. We got a black border Porter Goss,
you got a gold border weather modification.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Have a silver border. Martine Rothblatt a silver border income tax.
That's one of my favorite photos I took. That's not
a real photo I took of a I was using
macro photography to get a WASP. That's awesome. Yuh. We
got a goal border of the mate wand conflict, which

(01:43:33):
is where we get the term redneck from. Huh, and
then I wish you had oh man. I actually Ryan
Dawson is the expert on that. But then we have
the goal border of Operation Mockingbird. That's so cool. There
you go, folks, how many cards? There are seven cards

(01:43:56):
in a pack? There are thirty six packs per box
under this modern garbage where you get a box and
there's like four packs and four cards each. That's crap.
I hate that, man. I mean, as I see that
and I go, man, it feels like a rip off.
And it's thirty bucks. I mean, come on, you know.

(01:44:18):
But if you want to know about the history of
Maite one, then I would recommend a book called Thunder
on the Mountain by Lawns. Savage that details everything. That's
the first time the United States Air Force was deployed
against the United States citizens. Oh huh, dude, It's it's
a crazy it's a crazy story. It's also the Ted Hatfield.

(01:44:40):
You know him from the Hatfield McCoy's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was the sheriff of Mingo County and that's where
he ended up getting murdered. He got murdered by mining
company employees because he supported these miners who were on strike.
And it's the it was the last stand of Sid Hatfield.

(01:45:03):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Would you say the name of that book was Thunder?

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
What Thunder on.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
The Mountain, And do you cite your resources on any
of these cards?

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
On my website. I've got a reading list that I
used to compile most of the information. It's difficult for
me to Some of the cards that I feel are
important enough do reference specific authors. Some of them don't.
My feeling is that if this captures anybody's imagination, then

(01:45:37):
I know what they're going to do. It's like, oh, well,
I'm going to fact check this clown. Okay, Okay, go ahead,
do it. Do it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:45):
That's exactly why I was asking. Christmas is coming and
a lot of conspiracies listen to this show, and maybe
you guys want to red pill your family members.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
What a perfect gift, right you go?

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Shoot, I'll do you want even better? Any buddy that
gets their order in by Monday, I'll make sure. I'll
make sure you can get it by Thursday or Friday. Okay,
I'll get that. Expatted shipping is just for some reason,
for some reason, Oregon, it takes a long time. I
don't know why. It's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Well, everybody listening, like, I don't hope that you guys
are as intrigued as I am, because this plunder world
whole series is got me super super intrigued, and I
can't wait to rip open my first back.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Absolutely, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
I do have to give a shout out. There's a
kind gentleman who ordered six boxes and he went on
YouTube and he made a video to videos actually, and
this is what just I mean, I was touched. I
mean it almost made me cry. He did exactly what
I wanted people to do. He sat down with his

(01:46:55):
son and he opened these packs of cards and his
son was into it, and he's using all this lingo
that I've never heard before. Okay, he's like, yo, there's
law on these John's. I have no idea what that means,
but it sounds cool. Yeah, that's it. So he's like,
so they're ripping them open, and he's talking about him
and he gave a really really really honest review on

(01:47:19):
his channel and I think it's called Wake the Truth
and he's on YouTube. But if you want to if
you want to see somebody who is like really into
collecting cards and really really really liked plunder World, then
check out his video. It's it was I mean, I

(01:47:39):
was holding my breath the entire time. I was touched.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
I like the name too, Wake the Truth, So I'm
just certainly going to check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Absolutely well, mister Jason, we know you got other appointments
to save Kate. I can't I can't thank you enough
for taking some time out of your day to come
on with us and introduce us to to your plunder world,
because I'm absolutely balled in, Like I can't wait to
go check out the website as soon as we get done,

(01:48:09):
and and uh definitely see me chasing this complete set.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Thank you. I mean, it's it's a one man band.
I mean, I'm I'm I just uh, I'm maybe a
third of the way through series two. I am working
my buns off, you know, between you know, everything else
going on. But it's like you, as soon as I
get home, you know, there's a there's a you know,
one more subject I gotta get into and write up
a narrative. You know, it's it's NonStop. I'm kind of

(01:48:38):
a night out anyway, So this is great, And you know,
I don't know what to say other than look, I
I know, I know that I care about things that
give me a uh, you know, a little buzz, a
little excitement. You know that they give me that that's

(01:49:00):
sense of uh, what's the word transgressive? Like Ooh, I
got something weird. You know, It's like reading your first
Chuck Pollinic novel, You're like, oh, this is really weird.
This is gross. I don't know about this. That's that.
That's what I'm trying to do. That the the art's
gonna get better. The I mean, I'm I'm learning so

(01:49:20):
many extra things doing this, and in the future, I'm
hoping to incorporate other artists. I want. I want to
contract with other artists to design a card. I'll send
a subject with my uh my uh lore on the back,
and there's gonna be some you know, format specific things.
But I don't care. If your medium is painting, I
don't care. If it's in collages, I don't care. You know,

(01:49:43):
whatever it is, we'll figure out a way to not
only get your art on a card, give you credit
and get you paid, you know, whether it's for sale
or you know, you know, flat rate, that your name
will be on the box too. You know that I
want you. I want this to grow, and I think

(01:50:03):
it's an opportunity for you know, other ways to innovate.
I'm taking all kinds of feedback look, I love ideas.
You know, if you go stir crazy when you're talking
to yourself in the mirror all the time. Okay, I
hope that makes sense. But there are things, there are
things that I want to do to make this even better.

(01:50:24):
Even better, dude, I'm telling you in fifteen years, In
fifteen years, there's gonna be a plunder World theme park. Okay,
forget this, We're going to plunder World. It's gonna be
divided up into like six awesome lands. There's gonna be
like you know, We're gonna have these awesome rides at
this roller coaster called like as Above so Below, and
it turns you upside down and tells you the truth.

(01:50:44):
It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Okay, just no rattlesnake petting zoo hopefully.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
I am real quick going to jump in and I'm
gonna say, and I'm speaking listen, I'm looking forward to
what you have up and coming. But I'm also really
looking forward. I'm going to throw you and throw you
under the bus here. But Catalyst Jones, if there's anybody

(01:51:16):
that I could think that would be an amazing just
my opinion, but I think you and Catalyst to need
to definitely touch base because he's an amazing graphic artist,
amazing and I can't wait to see what pops up.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Yeah, brother, I'd love to talk to you behind the scenes.
Like you said, I had probably twenty three years now
under my belt, so I've taught people a thing or two.
I can give you some pointers whenever you hit a
brick wall, and maybe every once in a while if
you're like, hey, you want to design something, throw it

(01:51:53):
my way. I'd be happy to help because I love
the passion and what you're doing, and I think it's
really important for somebody to have something that's tangible that
they can hold onto because as much work as we're
putting into these podcasts and things that we do, all
it takes is a flip of a switch and it's
gone and people won't be able to have that anymore.
So it's very important that we get our hands on

(01:52:15):
things that we can actually put into our hands and
pass down and share this with people. So what you're
doing is fucking fantastic, brother, and all hands to you.
I know it's tiresome, but hopefully you're getting some gratification
from it, And as an artist myself, I know what
it's like doing something and then not hearing anything about
it with no feedback whatsoever. I mean, bad feedback is

(01:52:37):
sometimes better than nothing at all, and constructive criticism is welcomed.
And you heard him say it, So tell them what
you think when you guys get these yep, that's look.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
I could talk for hours about this. Look. I thank
you so much for letting me, you know, rant and
go off on some of these subjects, because my wife
and son get tired of hearing me talk. So well.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Look, man, anytime you got some free time on your
hand and you want to come deep dive into any
one of the vast pits of knowledge you have, and I, dude,
I'm always down to listen. Look man, like I'm about
to go finis in Winston Churchill documentary when we get done,
like I love and I understand that anything you find
on Netflix isn't really gonna be that true. I get that,

(01:53:20):
but it's the best I got. But I could listen
to you tell stories about the behind the scenes of
World Wars all day long.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
That really scratches an itch for me. So this is
this is right up my wheel house. So you're more
than an open invitation is on the table for you
whenever you want to take.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Us up on it. Thank you, You're more than welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
So listeners, y'all go make sure to go to plunderworld
dot com go check out James's product, the plunder World
Trading Cards. I'm about to grab my grab myself some
for sure. Like you said, get it in by what
what'd you say by Monday?

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Yeah, if you can get if you can make that
order by Monday, I'll have it. I'll have it there
before Christmas. And if first one that can reach me
through like email or Instagram or Twitter and Kylin Hank
and you got a United States address, you're going to
get that pack.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
I don't know what what Catalyst has in mind, if
if he's gonna end up putting this on his end,
but I would definitely include Catalysts into that because he's
got he's got a really big reach, a big reach,
and I think with the three of us we're going
to be able to spread the plunder World idea.

Speaker 7 (01:54:35):
And man, thank you so much, I'm blown away.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
Yeah, I speaking, I had fun. Thank you guys for
inviting me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Oh you're more than welcome, Catalyst. This was this is
a great conversation. Well, mister Jads, will let you get
to the rest of your evening. Sir uh we, we
thank you again for coming on to spend the time
with us and we hope to be in touch with you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
So sounds like a winner. Y'all have a good nun right,
good night.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Get sorry.

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