Ep. 57 What Is The Treaty Of Tripoli?

• In this episode, Hank and Chef Kyle are joined by longtime friend of the show, Theo, to take a look at the famed Treaty of Tripoli, discussing its forming, the 12 articles contained, and a particular look at Article 11 to determine if any malicious intent was meant by it's wording.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, we are live another episode of the six
four three Double Plate. I'm your host, Hank, got your
co host, Chef Kyle in the building. Happy New Year's Eve, brother.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Happy New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Let's go, yes, sir, and we got our good friend
from the Great North, mister THEO in the house. THEO.
What's going on, man? Not a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Thanks for having me, Thanks for giving me the uh
the fill in on.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
The weather that we're anticipating here in a little bit
a couple Oh yeah, oh yeah. By the end of
the week, it's it's gonna be pretty cold for most
of the Middle to East America. We're about to get
a serious thrust from a polar vortex from up yonder
up in Davy Wavey's land of o Canada. They're about

(01:17):
to send us a package because Trump picked on them
about becoming the fifty first state. So they said, no,
you can have some of this cold air. Yeah, we're
gonna get to deal with that highs of highs of
ten up river here in Iowa. So it'll be fun, huh.
I think the high today was probably mid to upper forties,

(01:39):
and that's the highest high for the rest of the week.
I like this.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I like how you guys put a little positive spin
on it instead of seeing the lows.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You say the high.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You got a high that was like negative one, negative three.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Bro, that's awesome, Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
The lows are straight absolutely depressing. You don't want to
focus on the lows like I'm just because you're over
there in Camy for you. The one thing I can
say is you don't have to worry about this, Kyle, Kyle.
Next Thursday, on the ninth, I'm looking at a high
thirty three and a low of eighteen.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
This upcoming Tuesday, I'm looking at a high thirty and
a low of fifteenth. So yeah, sir, And there's now
a ninety percent chance of winter remix for Sunday with
a low of twenty eight, So it's gonna stick. And
I hope it snows a fucking two feet. I hope
we get a blizzard. If it's gonna be cold, you know,

(02:49):
it might as well do something out there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And plus, like I said, before you hit record, we've
been getting like you. I was telling you because somebody
brought up Texas. You remember all that freezing rain that
just shut them down, Like dude, we've been having that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
For the past week or two. Yes, sir, snow is
better than that. It's better.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
You better to get two feet of snow than a
sheet of ice on everything tears shit up.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, speaking of speaking of the weather, I don't know
if you guys have seen anything about like this mysterious
fog everywhere, Dude, it's been extremely foggy, extremely weird. Like
I'll drive through I was on my way to the
shop the other day and there's a patch of fog.

(03:40):
I go past the patch of fog and it's completely clear.
There's another patch of fog, and so that was bizarre.
And then I was spraying a house and it was
so it was it was foggy, but there was a
little bit of wind and I can see like little droplets,
but it wasn't rain. And I wish because I have

(04:03):
my I had all my my ppe if you will,
on so it'd been hard for me to get to
my phone.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
But I wish I would have recorded.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
It because it's yeah, I'm witnessing it over here in
southern Cotonfornia, and I know it's happening all over the
United States, but really bizarre. Something I haven't seen I've
I've seen the fog, dude.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Exactly, Silent Hill, what a good game. Yeah, it's been
a while.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
By the way, Cole, congratulations on becoming a licensed exterminator.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Oh yeah, I passed my test. Yeah, I passed my test. Man,
thank you, thank you. So low key I've been I've
been waiting on my driver's license to start the whole
process of becoming an applicator, and it's taken a long time.
And after battling with the DMV for three three months,

(05:00):
I finally called him and told them, listen, dude, I'm
about to lose my job if I don't have my
driver's license. So they ended up doing something they never do,
and they overnighted it to me. Long story short, the
whole the whole time I was supposed to be studying,
I may or may not have studied at all. And
the day that I got my driver's license, my boss

(05:22):
is like, boom, I scheduled the test for you in
three days. So I'm like, oh shit. So I pretty
much spent Christmas even Christmas studying. But what I did
was I just went online and I looked up practice
test because rather than reading through this big thick book,
I want to know the questions that they're going to
be asking me. Long story short, I get in there

(05:44):
and the first couple of questions are and I have
these things memorized. I had all the test things memorized.
But long story short, yeah, I did not end up
with a pretty much any questions that I actually we
had on the tests, and luckily, by the grace of God,
I passed with pretty decent colors.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So well done. Yeah, I'm proud of it.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I'm thankful. I think, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Here here, yeah, hell yeah. Later on I'll drink to that.
It's a it's a little early for if I if
I expect to see Midnight, I can't go start and
it's six six thirty, so I can't remember the last
time I made Midnight. Oh man, But I thought the

(06:36):
formalities out of the way. Gentlemen, We're gonna actually, for
once in six four three Sunday Night History have have
a have a topic to talk about. We're actually gonna
do a little mini deep dive into a subject. We're
gonna talk about this here, Treaty of Tripoli, And I'm
looking forward to this one. This is gonna be the

(06:58):
first episode of the year released on the six four
to three double play, something I've been looking forward to doing.
And I found some pretty interesting notes behind the scene
that we're gonna use for the episode. I'm looking forward
to it, and I'm glad y'all are here with me. Glad
to be here.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Thanks, Amen, brother, Amen.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So you know, off the rip just gonna be real.
I don't know much about the Treaty of TRIPLEI other
than it's a treaty that was probably signed in Tripoly
and that's it. The only reason I know anything about
it at all. Other than that is because deal, like
I was telling you before we hit the button, that

(07:43):
Jason and Christopher at Operation Red Pill reference the eleventh
Article of the Treaty of Triple E a lot in
their show, and that eleventh article is the one that
was ratified. When it was ratified in Congress, made it
know that America was not founded or is a Christian nation.

(08:10):
But that's just a small part of the Treaty of Tripoli.
And so, like I said, I found a nice article
that we're going to read through and it's gonna give
us some background, and I think it's got all eleven
article or however many articles it's got them at the bottom.
But yeah, dude, we're not dealing with anything recent. This

(08:32):
is something that's happened back in seventeen ninety six.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, this is going to be interesting because I know
it has a little bit to do with the said
separation between church and state, and so I'm excited to
learn me a little something today.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, it's worth noting that.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Triply is in modern day Libya, soirth west Libya on
the Mediterranean coast. So a lot of the background that
I read regarding this subject prior to coming on sort
of that plays in.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes, sir, yes sir, it does. Shout out troubles Garcia
Paranoid Radio podcast. Faithful supporter of the show. Sorry boys.
The article starts off. It's not often that an obscure
treaty from the late eighteenth century becomes a touch point
in the twenty first century philosophical debate, but such is

(09:33):
the case with the seventeen ninety six treaty between the
United States and Tripoli. At issue is that issue is
not the treaty itself. It exists and is well documented.
What is an issue is Article eleven of that treaty,
which says the United States and TRIPLEI should never enter
into hostilities because of religious differences. It sounds innocent enough,

(09:55):
but the phrasing used and the preamble to the article
has made it traversial, as the government of the United
States of America is not in any sense founded on
the Christian religion the article begins, and so for those
who advocate for the complete separation of church and state,
the article is seen as an early vindication of the position,

(10:19):
especially since the treaty was approved by a Senate that
recently approved the Bill of Rights. Others more keen on
closer ties between the church and state dismissed the line
completely the result of translation error or paraphrasing, or preferred
to see the preamble as a throwaway line meant to

(10:39):
assuage the Day of Tripoli also known as the Day
of Tripoli and the Pasha of Tripoli. So that's just
kind of a brief summary of some of the atmosphere
around what we're talking about. There's already some pretty big

(11:02):
accusations being tossed around, and it seems like already from
the junt we've got two separate major lines of thought
with this Treaty of Tripoli. So the article goes on
which position is correct. As in many things, there are

(11:23):
elements of truth to both sides. The Treaty of Tripoli
is just one of many that made one of many
made with the Barbary States around the turn of the century.
The basic issue was state sponsored piracy. For years, the
Barbary States had supported piracy and American shipping had enjoyed
the protection of the British Navy. After independence, the British

(11:45):
thoughtfully informed the Barbary States that American shipping was no
longer under the British protection, and American shipping came under
attack in seventeen eighty five. In fact, the Day of
Algiers declared war on the United States and several ships.
The Confederation Congress was unable to either raise a navy

(12:05):
nor funds to pay tribute, which would have allowed the
American ship in proceeding shipping to proceed unhindered. Actions like
this took place over the course of fifty years, with
treaties being signed and tributes paid, then tributes went unpaid,
more was declared, and shipping was threatened. One of the
earliest Barbary treaties was between the United States and Morocco

(12:29):
in seventeen eighty six, and one of the latest was
also between the US and Morocco in eighteen thirty six.
In seventeen ninety six, a treaty was negotiated between the
United States and Tripoli by Captain Richard O'Brien. John Barlow
was the US consul general in Algiers, and it is

(12:50):
his translation of the Arabic text that follows. The treaty
was finalized in seventeen ninety seven, and it was signed
by the Americans in Congress on June tenth, seventeen ninety seven.
The text reproduced below is what was signed and was
ratified by the United States. An example of the Arabic text, however,

(13:14):
reveals that article eleven does not exist in the Arabic text,
at least not in the form presented in the English text.
In the arab version, the text between articles ten and
twelve is a letter from the Day of Algiers to
the Pasha of Tripoli. State Department review of the translation

(13:34):
in eighteen hundred called it extremely erroneous. An Italian translation
of the Arabic done at the same time as Italian
was widely used in Tripoli, is much closer to the
original Arabic. The differences in the key provisions of the treaty, however,
are not significant for the Americans. The terms of the

(13:56):
treaty were quickly rendered moot. Citing late payment of tribute.
The Pasha of triple in eighteen oh one declared bor
on the United States, and the US fought back, this
time sent the Navy and the Marines to Tripoli, to
the famed shores of TRIPLEI. That's where we get that
Marine corps him, yes, sir, where the Pasha's forces were defeated.

(14:21):
A new treaty. A new treaty finalized in eighteen oh five,
included a payment of ransom for the US prisoners, but
no further payment of tribute. The Treaty of Peace and
Friendship between the United States of America and the Bay

(14:42):
and subjects of Treaty of Barbary. I do believe that's
the cordial name. And then we've got how many articles
do we have right here? Okay, so there's twelve articles.
So that was a decent little background into how we
got to the point where we needed this Treaty of Tripoli.

(15:07):
Go ahead, yo, uh.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
One thing, just back to the controversy surrounding the subject.
I noticed in my brief research on this.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Before hopping on.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
That people on opposing ends of this really enjoy weaponizing
that Article eleven against each other. Yes, for instance, like
Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. That
was one organization I took note of and whatnot. So
it's really interesting. This is some pretty pretty hot subject.

(15:47):
But the background I knew on this prior prior to
you saying anything to me, Hank, this had been going
on for a while. These pirates just taking ship right.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Off the Barbary coast, the north coast of Africa.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
In fact, I want to say, don't completely quote me
on this. It was either part of the foundation of
it being part of the Constitution or it was used
against Barbary pirates. But that's the provision for letters of
Marxian reprisal. And so what it does is it it
doesn't require an declaration of war, a formal declaration of

(16:26):
war from Congress. It just requires the president to like
basically send the navy and the Marines because they answered
direct directly to him, and to basically get it taken
care of, whatever it is, and then get home and
letters of Marxian reprisal were used by I believe President Jefferson.

(16:47):
That would have been from eighteen hundred to eighteen oh
four or eighteen oh one to eighteen oh four. He
used them against the Barbari virus. So that's what the
Marines went in there. They ended up there was a
naval blockade and uh an overland campaign yep, by the Marines.

(17:14):
It's so interesting. Yeah, but yeah, contentious here on the
religious provision. That's that's really really interesting. I wasn't aware
of that.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, And from what I can tell, like you said,
the the two sides of the argument is either see
see we told you that God has no place in
our government or in our schoolhouses. They knew it even
back then. Or it's like this article was saying, people

(17:47):
dismiss it as translational issues or something like. You know,
it's just they do you know how how Christians love
to just dismiss something because they don't have the answer
for it. You know how that goes. But that's kind
of what gets done with that, with that what this

(18:07):
article refers to the preamble of article eleven, because outside
of that first line of Article eleven, I don't know
if y'all look through the other eleven art you know,
the rest of the twelve articles in this treaty. This
treaty has nothing to do with religion. This treaty. All

(18:28):
this treaty does is establish firm rules for how you
will treat one another's people, vessels, cargo, anything to do
with each other in the event that, like in it covers.
You know, we'll read through some of these because the
breakdowns of these articles aren't very long, but it goes through.

(18:49):
You know, if you come across a shipwreck and it's
one of our guys, you know, you're supposed to take
him in. If our guys are getting chased by some
some other ragamuffins on the high seat, and yes, and
Joey bag of Donuts, you know comment, dear Joey bag
of Donuts needs a needs to place to hold up.

(19:09):
You're to take him in and help defend him to
the best of your abilities. Like that's what's in this treaty.
This isn't like you know, you hear about article eleven
of the Treaty of Tripoli and you're like, oh, the
certainly this is gonna be filled with some juicy stuff.
And then you read it and it's like, what, where's
the where's the I mean, I've read the part where

(19:31):
it said the thing, but like, where's the where's the
rest of it? You know, it's there's nothing else in
this treaty that's particularly interesting there. If it, as a
matter of a fact, gentlemen, if it wasn't, in my opinion,
if it wasn't for the first part of treaty, of
the Article eleven of this treaty, we wouldn't be talking

(19:52):
about this whatsoever, because it would strictly be just another
pact made between the U and whoever they were dealing
with at the time to guarantee safe passage of their ships.
That's all this is. But they just so happened to
include this one phrase, and and a lot of the

(20:15):
argument against it is all, well, it was just to
appease this dude. It was just to make him feel good. Okay, okay,
But why did Senate need Why did the Senate need
to ratify it? If it was just said jovially or
flippantly and just then why was it needed then? Why

(20:38):
did it need to pass through Congress? If the treaty
needed to pass through Congress for it to take effect,
why did that one line have to remain because we
we all know that a bill of any nature never
starts and finishes the same when it comes to passing

(20:59):
through the House, and this in it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
There's always some sort of changes.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, the bill could say water is wet, and by
the time that it gets to the President, it's not
gonna say shit about water being wet at all.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, that's the entire point of a bicameral legislature in
the first places, that sort of uh inherent delay and fighting,
so that sometimes it's difficult to get things done.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, man, Yeah, I just it's interesting how you know,
our government can't agree on anything, but they agreed on
leaving that line in and making sure that was you
know that that was in there that no, we can't
take that part out.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know, how do we know it wasn't just something
marketed towards the West and then they did something completely
different for the the day or whatever his uh his
title was of Morocco or whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Sure, I could completely believe that. But even if that's
the case, why why did they make sure Why did
because the Americans had to sign off on this and
bring this back home like this was nothing of this
was forced on us, like we saw this treaty because
big Daddy governed, Big Daddy Britain went and told the
bullies in the in the playground that they weren't going

(22:22):
to take up for us anymore. And the bullies was
picking on us. And America doesn't like it when you
touch their ships. We know this. America gets in a
real big hissy when you touch their ships.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Hey, but the United States had nothing of the navy,
like we didn't have like a top ten or even
fifteen navy.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
In the world at the time. Probably sure, but in
this so it shipping difficult without the British, I'm sure,
but I just it's it. It's hard for me to
understand how in this shipping agreement that's basically what we've
got terms, terms and agreement so on in the water
that they're gonna use to move ship. Why did this

(23:05):
have to be there? And maybe we can revisit this
at a later time with an even deeper dive if
we can find some that of knowledge as to why
that sect, you know, why that line had even if
it was just for the western eyes to see, if
if truly the the original document with the parties involved

(23:28):
didn't have this in there. Why was it so important
for us to have it? That's that's We're not gonna
get that question answered tonight, unfortunately, but that's something to
you know, we could possibly circle Sacky back to if
we can ever find that answer. But yeah, yep, yep,
she's not She's never gonna live, live, live her name down.

(23:51):
She will always live, all right. So we're gonna go
through these twelve articles and see what they have to say.
And like I said, I know the listeners are hanging
on by the edge of their seats right now because
this is such ripping information. They cannot wait to hear
an eighteenth century treaty with pirates over the goods. But

(24:15):
this is gonna be absolutely riveting information for twelve or
eleven point seventy five percent of these articles, so fair warning,
I'm sorry, all right. So we got article one and
it states and I'm assuming that this is a translation

(24:35):
to what it would say if it was made today
in English and not what it sounded like in eighteenth
century English, because it's not written as such. So I'm
trusting that this article. And we're on US Constitution dot
net people like I'm I'm we're not. We're drinking straight
out the fire hydrant on this one. I'm not using like,

(24:58):
you know, info words or nothing to get this at Wikipedia.
So I'm trying to you know, I think I can
trust it at least for what they want us to know.
This is. This is as good a translation as we're
gonna get. It's Article one. There is a firm and
perpetual peace and friendship between the United States of America
and the Bay and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, made

(25:21):
by the free consent of both parties, and guaranteed by
the most potent day and regency of Algiers.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, so they're friends, and they've been friends for a
long time, even though the United States hasn't been a
country for more than a decade or so.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and they want to remain perpetual, perpetual friends because
they've been friends for so long. That means technically we
still have a pet that same piece today. One, Yeah,
one could say so. Article two says it. And this
is where I find some of this fatascinating, because this

(26:03):
is the kind of stuff that we as Americans just
check a box to get to the actual app that
we're using. If any goods belonging to any nation with
which either of the parties is at war shall be
loaded on board of vessels belonging to the other party.
They shall pass free, and no attempt shall be made

(26:24):
to take or detain them. Seems pretty straightforward. If if
anybody that's involved in the treaties at war and they're
moving goods through your backyard, let them go. They're good.
It's basically what that says. Article three. If any citizens, subjects,

(26:46):
or effects belonging to either party shall be found on
board a prize vessel taken from an enemy by the
other party, such citizens or subjects shall be set at
liberty and the effects restored to the owners. So that
means that then Barbary pirates just hit up a joey
bag of donuts who just knocked off some American ship

(27:10):
and had some American goods on the you you know,
the ss bag of donuts that he's out there on
the high seas, and the Barbaries get them, you know,
the the Libyans get them. They have to take the
American goods, put them on a separate ship, and send
them back to the Americans. It turns out, or vice versa.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
It turns out that between Turkey and the United States
at the time, the jelly donut trade was very big.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
People want of their jelly donuts from Turkey. There we go,
same joke. Sorry I lost, I didn't understand the reference.
I feel like there's a show that I missed. No,
it's a lame joke.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Never lame, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
We got Art four. Proper passports are to be given
to all vessels of both parties, by which they are
to be known, and, considering the distance between the two countries,
eighteen months from the date of this treaty shall be
allowed for procuring such passports. During this interval, the other
papers belonging to such vessels shall be sufficient for their protection.

(28:23):
So basically, you had to stay strapped up with some
documentation that you were that you're good. You had to
have the Hall Pass, had to have the Hall Pass,
but they made eighteen months to get it.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
So the voucher and the credentials from the States, right, yep.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Get your stamps and shit. Article five. A citizen or
subject of either party having bought a prize vessel condemned
by the other party by any other nation, their certificate
of condemnation and bill of cells shall be sufficient port
for such vessel for one year, this being a reasonable

(29:04):
time for her to procure a proper passport. More just
specifics about what they're doing with each other's stuff and
the time that you got to get right, because apparently
there's a dude out there just selling the high seas
checking papers, kind of like our game wardens today. Hm hm, oh,

(29:30):
I didn't even think about that. Yeah, the angry, the
angry Austrian man that liked to paint. He was all
about some papers. Yep. Yeah, with the little skull and
crossbawns on his hat. Yep. He liked lightning bolts, that guy,
that guy.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Okay, yes, he also liked to eat Sninzela and spotsler.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
They drink a fair bit of peppermint schnapps.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Schnitzel and spats are amazing, by the way.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yes, Schnitzels, what pounded pounded breaded pork and yeah yeah yeah, little.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Little lemon put a little lemon on it and then
spats laws just like a noodle with nutmeg in it
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's really good anyway.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
With nutmeg, Okay, okay, throw a little throw a little
Italian Parsley on there a lot of Garni.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Work really well, butter nutmeg is big and German cooking.
So anyway, but we're talking about the.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Shores of Tripoli, that's right, Hey, hey, we think geography
lessons over here on the six four to three double plays,
all right, Article six. Article six. Vessels of either party
putting into the ports of the other, and having need
of provisions or other supplies, they shall be furnished at
the market price. And if any such vessels shall so

(30:52):
put in form put in from a disaster at sea,
and have occasion to repair, she shall be at liberty
to land and re embark her cargo without paying any duties.
But in no case shall she be compelled to land
her cargo. So it sounds like, you know, if you're

(31:12):
riding along and dip shit hit some choral and funcks
your rudder up and you got to pull in to
you know, get your ship worked on. Then like you
can't price gouge. I'm in for being in Boston and
needing a rudder, you know. And and when Johnny Baga, donnup,
Jon he's in, he's in the marketplaces of Tripoli. You

(31:33):
gotta be fair that's it's a gentleman's agreement, very gentlemanly
with these Muslims. Where did this go? This, this attitude
has not existed for a long time with these fellows
in the Gulf of Aiden. Don't play by the rules
like this.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yes, well, all in all, all in all, I mean,
I don't think that any of the articles that we've
gone over, I mean they're they're kind of fair, like
I don't see anything crazy or nefarious about them.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, it's pretty cut and dry.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's not you know, like I told you you were
going to be disappointed, because this is the terms and
agreements between two nations making sure that they're shipping cargo.
And this is not just from the American perspective, this
is also from the I think I skipped past it earlier,
but it said it tells us which which nations were

(32:33):
involved in this, or it.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Might be at the Morocco Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yep, yes, Algiers correct, I think, uh, but yes it
was it was several of the northern African countries that
are on the coast. But I mean that that that's guys,
that's all this is. It's it's it's protection from everybody
for pretty much any situation. You know that, at least,

(33:03):
that's what this reads to be. And and making sure
that nobody takes advantage of somebody else because they can't.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
It sounds regard kind of also regarding cargo, right, getting cargo,
getting exporting good.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Cargo, cargo of people, people's personal effects of the ship itself,
like making sure everybody gets back to where they were going.
You know, no harm, no foul on everybody's in. You
know what I'm saying, a union, it's like a union agreement. Okay,

(33:46):
this is a gentleman This is basically one big gentleman's agreement,
like in the form of a right.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Okay, So I'm I might be I might be speaking
out of hand here.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
History is not my go to add all, never have
has been something I've been getting into more and more lately.
But it would this would it be fair to say
that there are this is almost like a baby like
NATO agreements from different No, in the sense.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
That it's America working with several different countries. Yes, in
the CITs that anything beyond.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Shipping turns that's all this, Okay, it's shipping so much
military and no, and making military's uniform i e.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
The five point five to six NATO round that they all.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Use, h F sixteens, F eighteen's most F sixteens.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Going all over the place, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
This is just more of like hey, you know, like
like Kyle or uh, like Hank said earlier, when you're
when your rudders broke, if you're.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
In Boston or or Charleston, Uh, you.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Know, we're we're going to do our best to get
you back on the.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Sea where you need to go safely and affordably fair price.
You know who knows, or if you're in Tripoli or
Algiers or Morocco geers.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, okay, it's the same regard that, or regarding the
Barbary States, price gauging on goods or or not holding
people hostage and ship for ransom.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
So basically so.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
So something that I heard or read, uh when when
I was brushing up on letters of Marksman reprizal a
little bit is that a lot of the incentive and
remember they were dealing with pirates at this time.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
It was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
There was a lot of money getting lost, there was
a lot of trade being disrupted. People were afraid and shit,
Like I'm sure that it cost a premium to take
goods by the coast of North Africa, so letters of
marks of reprisal could be issued, which they were, and
that would and since there were these trade agreements, that

(36:21):
would probably scare native populations and to doing most of
the dirty work themselves, you know what I mean, Hey,
we know who these pirates are winning to get these guys.
It's kind of like the story of Moses. I don't
know if I don't know if it's Jewish oral tradition
that teaches us this way or.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
If it's in the Bible, but.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Moses killed the Egyptian that was whipping the Hebrew, right,
and then the Hebrew ratted him out, ratted.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Moses out, and Moses became a fugitive and went on
the run. Right.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
So it's kind of like, hey, whip these people into
submission enough, get all the information from them, and they'll
do all the dirty work and root all these guys
out and find them before you.

Speaker 8 (37:13):
So militarily not so actually circumventing a military action, yeah,
beyond anything beyond like a Namel blockade.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like literally all this is is keeping the two countries
from partaking in any action that either one could be
used to declare war on each other.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
For four modern day countries, and I would imagine it
was probably some sort of like loosely confederated shakes or
emams or something.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Right, So and so far, what we've seen is these
first six articles are I'm not gonna mess with you,
You're not gonna mess with me. If I come to
your port for travel, I'm not to be disturbed. I'm

(38:07):
to be accepted. I'm not to be price gouged if
I come into port because I'm I need repairs. Then
you know that level of gentlemanship should be speciprocated and
all's to be good. Starting with articles seven we start
to shift into some more dire situations about you know

(38:27):
that these articles are presented. So with Article seven we
have should a vessel of either party be cast on
the shore of the other, all proper assistants shall be
given to her and her people. No pillage shall be allowed.
The property shall remain at the disposition of the owners
and the crew protected. And oh wow, that's a word

(38:52):
I'm not used to saying. Sure, it's either coward or
sir sourd. Basically protect article the one I'm sorry. I
wasn't article Article seven, and that's not often I see
a word that that stumps me. I don't know why

(39:14):
they secured is it's probably secured. Probably just an eighteenth
century spelling of secured. Oh wow, that is I feel
so stupid. You're right. No, no, no, no, no, don't
But why why would they do that? If everything else
is written in modern English in the.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
British Commonwealth, they probably still spell it this way.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
They probably fucking do them weirdo. Okay, all right, So
the crew protected and secured where they can be sent
to their country. So this is a little less sunny
day protection for either country. This is a little less Hey,
we just we just fucking shipwrecked and we're now washed

(40:00):
up on your shores. You can't just come all Game
of Throne style slash our throats and take our treasure
like You've got to actually help us and protect us.
And then refer to Article six, where you are now
need of provision, supplies and prepairs. So love Article eight.

(40:25):
If a vessel of either party should be attacked by
an enemy within gunshot of the fort of the other,
she referencing the vessel shall be defended as much as possible.
If she be in port, she shall not be seized
or attacked when it is in the power of the
other party to protect her. And when she proceeds to

(40:47):
see no enemy shall be allowed to pursue her from
the same port within twenty four hours after her departure,
so that actual defense. Yes, Yeah, Like like I was saying,
if you know, Joey Bag of Donuts is running me
down on a scooner and and I'm yelling my best

(41:09):
hoe and I'm you know, drinking my bottle of rum,
getting on down and I roll up on chef calls
for it. Not only do you have to let me in,
but you have to start blasting, Like you've got to
show up strapped and let the lid fly. You got
to start sending cannonballs. And and then whenever the threat

(41:31):
is passed and I leave, nobody from with it. This
is what I I'm assuming that if an enemy is
also at the same Like, it's weird, Like if they
have an enemy in the dock, they can't let the
enemy leave for twenty four hours after you do. Kind
of like you get a twenty four hour head start

(41:52):
before they let the bad guy go. Kind of thing.
But you know, like I was saying the earlier, we're
kind of, you know, you waving at your neighbor type
of situations, and these are like some old shit, you're
grabbing the old shit handle in the in the front
seat type of situations. And then Article nine kind of

(42:13):
breaks down more of who falls under this. It's the
commerce between the United States and Tripoli, the protection to
be given to merchants, masters of vessels, and seamen, the
reciprocal right of establishing consuls in each country, and the privileges, immunities,
and jurisdictions to be enjoyed by such consuls are declared

(42:37):
to be on the same footing with those of the
most favorite favored nations respectively. So basically that kind of
if I'm mistaken, that sets up what we now would
today would be an embassy console being anson win. Yeah,
foreign land. So like Americans probably have had a little

(43:00):
place where they could find respite with other Americans instead
of just being in the middle of Pirateville, you know.
And I'm sure there was a barbary consulate somewhere in
a probably not Byston, probably not. But yeah, the protection

(43:23):
is to be given to the merchants, masters of vessels
and seamen. Article ten. The money and presence demanded by
the Bay of Tripoli as a full and satisfactory consideration
on his part and on the part of his subjects,
for this treaty of perpetual peace of friendship, are acknowledged
to have been received by him previous to his signing

(43:46):
at the time, according to a receipt which is here
too annexed, except such part as promised on the part
of the United States, to be delivered and paid by
them on arrival of their consul in Tripoli, of which
part a note is likewise here to NX, and no
presence of any periodical tribute of or further payment is
ever to be made by either party. So basically this says,

(44:09):
we paid you your money, You're not getting no more money.
We signed.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Right about a being about a boom eh.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Which leads us to the infamous Article eleven. Article of
eleven reads as such as the government of the United
States of America is not in any sense founded on
the Christian religion, as it has in itself no character
of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of musclemen.

(44:46):
And as said states never have entered into any war
or act of hostility against any Mihomian nation. It is
declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious
opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing
between the two countries. At the very fucking bottom, almost

(45:10):
to where these motherfuckers signed their name, they just slipped
this in. Hey, we ain't got no beef with you
because you like Muslims stuff. You don't like bacon. We
like bacon. That's but it's it's it could be read
innocently enough as just we ain't Christian right now, you

(45:32):
know what I'm saying. If that's what we need to
do to sign this paper, sure we're not Christian, you know,
finger behind my back. But as we read at the
at the beginning of this article, article eleven doesn't exist
in the Arabic version of this treaty. This only exists
for the West.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
So one of the things earlier that that troubles had
conn mented. He says, Oh yeah, this is powerful. It's
also like they used firm rules based on maritime law,
using and this is the key word English law terminology.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
So they they were definitely leaning on maritime law. But
I don't know. I didn't look into the how this
article's wording came to be, if that makes sense, Like,
I didn't dig to see if this was a direct
translation word, you know, word for word, or if this

(46:38):
is just basically a summary of what it says. But
this is what US Constitution dot net has to say
about it. So I'm not I'm not going to stand
here and say this is a word for word translation.
But it could be.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Okay, but it could.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
So we're all the way at the bottom Article twelve.
In any case, or in case of any dispute arising
from a notation of any of the articles of this Treaty,
no appeal shall be made to arms, nor shall war
be declared on any pretext whatever. But if the Consul

(47:23):
residing at the place where the dispute shall happen, shall
not be able to settle the same, an amical reference
shall be made to the mutual friend of the parties
the day of ourgiears. The parties hereby engaging to abide
by his decision, and he, by virtue of his signature
to this treaty, engages for himself and successors to declare

(47:46):
the justice of the case according to the true interpretation
of the treaty and to use all the means in
his power to enforce the observance of the Saint. So
I don't see anything crazy in there. These motherfuckers even
went and got themselves a referee and for this dude

(48:11):
to be fair. And that's how the treaty signed. It's
signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the third day
of your mod in the year of twelve eleven, that
h word corresponding with the fourth day of November nineteen
seventy six. We get with the real world people, yamdhig era,

(48:34):
it's January, dude, November. Use your words, but uh and
enlist the people that are that are there a whole
bunch of people from the Barbary representatives and signed by

(48:57):
US State Representative Joel Barlow ratified, yep, ratified through Congress.
That's that's there's your infamous Treaty of Tripoli. Like I said,

(49:17):
I know, it's everybody talks about it like it's this big,
bad bogie man, and it's not except for two sentences
and the whole thing. You take them two sentences out
and it's the most boring subject you could probably come
across because it's the same as I mean, the article

(49:38):
set itself that for you know, this was in the
midst of a flow of treaties being signed all up
and down this place, because everybody was trying to get
their goods through everybody else's backyard, and America just mocc spaces,
that's right, and America had just become I'm a player

(50:01):
on the table, and Brenton went around and told everybody
I ain't worried about it. I ain't see shit, Nancy shit.
And so now everybody's coming over here and wanting to
check our pockets, to run our pockets for lunch money. So,

(50:22):
like I said, I'm hoping I can run across some
information in the near future that explains why that line
had to be in there, and any further significance to
it than that. But as of right now, that's coming
away from this whole thing. I definitely feel like I

(50:45):
could safely pass a trip a test on the trip,
like if I had to take a multi twist test
back in seventeen ninety six to get into the Barbary
Pirates little click you know about the treaty, I could
pass a test, but I could tell you anything about
why they felt the need to say that the United

(51:06):
States wasn't a Christian nation.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, that's all wild. I mean, that's a lot to process,
definitely a lot to process. And I'm wondering if there's
any other historical events maybe prior to that, that have
anything to do with Article eleven, if there's something that
we're missing.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
But at the end of the day, it has to
be right.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, yeah, at the.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
End of the day, it's still I mean, nonetheless, it's
very odd. There's nothing, no, nothing to do with religion
whatsoever in any of this articles one through ten and
then twelve, and then you have the article eleven that
just has to mention that, yeah, that we are not

(51:56):
a Christian nation, if you will, very weird.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
And that's literally the only unless, I'm gonna say, i mean,
we just read through it. That's the only place in
the whole treaty except for like the very first opening
line that even mentions religion. Like, the whole thing is
not about religion. It's not about politics, at least on
the surface. You know, it's not about anything other than

(52:22):
the safe passage and proper treatment of goods and peoples
by all parties involved.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
So well, was that was Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Absolutely, this is definitely informative, at least coming from my perspective,
because I've never history was my least favorite subject in school,
and it wasn't until recent or I'm interested in more
things regarding.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
It's definitely making it much more.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
You'd be there.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, my internet keeps cutting in and out. I'm gonna
handle that.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's all good. You said, it's making it much more.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
It's making it Yeah, exactly, it's more digestible, right, because
it's easy with it's it's I find it easier when
you're looking at or looking into a subject that you're
interested in.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Sure, and.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Our religious and then Christianity goes that's that's kind of
where am I still cutting out Hank just just a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But it's okay, Kyle, It's okay. Like I said, I
was disappointed when I finally sat down and did the
research to look into it. I know I didn't do
a lot, but you would think if there was some
kind of white whale to go find that it wouldn't
somebody would have found it long before my my myself,
and it wouldn't be that hard to find. Maybe I

(54:17):
need to dig a little further and see if I
can't find anything, I think I'm gonna do that anyway,
because there's just there's got I've got to find out
why that line is in there. Man, I've got to
figure it out. But there has to be a reason why.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
And uh, you know, it's interesting that Chef Kyle said
earlier that you know, uh, history was a weak spot
or something like that, you know, and you didn't find
it that interesting, Kyle, right, something to paraphrase inaccurately, I'm sure,
but but uh, what makes history interesting to me is
that oftentimes it's more it's far more bizarre and uh

(54:55):
and and oftentimes underbellied than the polished version that we
were taught. So uh, there's a reason that one version
made it to wash back to Washington and then one
stayed there.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
And it makes makes you wonder, like, of all the
treaties that have been signed, especially going back to like
when it was literally just like a fricking quill and
some paper, what what could have all went wrong? You
know when left to translation? And was that a tactic

(55:31):
used by people to sort of usurp.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Power, Like oh, well, you know they got this version
via the translation, and we got ours.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
So everybody's satisfied exactly exactly. It's it's almost never as
easy as it is what it is. There's all, especially
when we're dealing with any level of government, it's always
obtus scation at work. There's always some bullshittery and tom

(56:07):
foolery afoot. You know, it's never it's never cut and dry.
So I think we've got a couple of good questions
left on the table that we can find some information
about this. I definitely love to catch back up on
a part two on this because I feel I feel

(56:29):
there's there's deeper layers to this. Lasagna has Garfield.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yes, yeah, that was cool, man, That was that. That
was a good topic. That was a good topic. And
I again, yeah, let's let's let's let's look into a
part two and uh, you know, peel back the layers,
as they say, for.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Sure, for sure, Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to hanging
out with with the wife and the rest of the night.
We're gonna we're gonna have fun. I'm ever gonna see
how close to twelve we can make it. Got a
ways to go, buddy, just a little bit. It's just

(57:16):
a little bit. Y's got more hours than we have.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely a little bit longer over on
my end. I got I got some stuff to do.
I got, you know, a little bit of that farm
work here coming up. But just just throwing this out there,
kind of random. I don't know if you guys have
Did you guys ever catch the movie Red One?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
No, I have a new movie to watch it, but
I haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, so it's a it's a Christmas style movie. I
highly recommend it. Highly recommend it.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
It was badass, and it kind of involves a lot
of different cultural things regarding Christmas and Crampus and so
if you're into any of that, I know, you know,
we're a couple of days past Christmas.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
But yeah, I watched it. I gotta watch it again.
It was a badass movie.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
So I said, I'm not sure what y'all are doomed not,
but if you're able to catch it, dude, I'm pretty sure.
I think it's on Netflix for free in the sense
that well, not really for freaks you're pain But anyhow,
I highly recommend to check that out.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
There is a couple couple f bombs, if I remember correctly,
just a few. It's not terribly bad. There's no like nudity.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
So if you do have kids, like as long as
you don't mind a little profanity here and there, it's
really not that bad. But it's a badass, badass movie.
So anyhow, those are my final thoughts that have nothing
to do with the Treaty of Ripley. It just felt
like I had to drop it. When I see a
good film, good good movie, something I enjoy, where I'm

(58:57):
able to separate the artist from the art, I'm going
to share it with the boys.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's right, that's right, And I think it's important to
say that anybody you know, but tonight be in New
Year's Eve, if anybody is out there drinking, please don't drive.
Please do everybody a favor. There's probably some kids that
want to see you in the morning, family members that
want to see you in the morning. Some animals that

(59:24):
want to see you in the morning. Hell if nobody
I want to see you in the morning. Don't go
do anything stupid. Don't be an idiot, fucking call. In
the world we live in today, there's literally no excuse
for driving home drunk.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
So I know there's a You could also look look
in your local area.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I do know.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Up in northern Commifornia where i'm or where I used
to reside, there was actually free services to get you
see flee home. So I don't know if that's you know,
I don't know if if all the people listening, I'm
not sure if that's an option, but it's definitely worth
an option.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And yeah, I agree, I agree one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Man, the way, the way you got to look at it, Uh,
when I guess when you're sober, is that you know
your family is out on the road. So you wouldn't
want to send a drunk driver, you know, out on
the same road that's traveling on the road that your
family's you know, traveling on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So yeah, be smart, be smart. And that's the beauty
about having kids.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
I'm not saying people that have kids don't go out
and party, but like, I'm a homebody, so I know
I'm going to be sitting on my couch in the
same spot I sit every single night. I'm going to
be drinking my keystone or my rolling rock, and I'm
not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
That's it. That's it. Got some some Iowa well water
right here there we go. I need to send some
of that down here. Hey, before we sign off, here, chef,
let's stay in touch.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I don't know what kind of farming you're doing, but
we should talk some hydroponics and stuff, man, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Let me exchange some ideas and so you you have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
What's cool is man, I'll tell you what interests me
about where you're at is is the amount of time
that you have using hydroponics.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Outside to grow stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
So so, yeah, you know what, sometime I would be absolutely,
I would love to I would love to do that.
I so, and I think I've said this before, but
the farm. So I live right next door to my mom.
I'm literally we're literally neighbors, so she's got the farm.
I do a lot of the work. Yeah, I do
a lot of the work over there. But you know,

(01:01:53):
as there, they've only been there for I think two
years now, so we're always trying to muster up new ideas.
Put a greenhouse up a couple of years ago, got
plenty of like trees. Yeah, the greenhouses are awesome. Yeah,
I would probably recommend building one back. So back in
the back in the day, I don't know, about ten

(01:02:13):
twelve years ago, I was we did do some hydroponic
work regarding uh uh mariganja if you will, and that's yeah,
yeah legal, yeah right, like I like, I gotta hide it. Yeah,
legal stuff in California.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
But what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Another thing that I've been kind of wanting to get into,
and I don't know the benefits as far as like
hydroponics go. Is aquaponics, so having some sort of fish
and an aquarium or a pond and then use Yeah,
I can only because you gotta keep the fish alive.
You gotta feed the fish. So whatever crop it is
that you are watering, was said, aquaponics better be paying off.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
But I would be.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I'm always interested in that. Gardening is a passion
of mine. It's where I if I don't do it
as much as I used to, but there was nothing
like coming home from work. I would go change real quick,
and I would go outside and I'd have my water
hose and I'd be at the time smoking, smoking stoves
and and yeah, just chatting with the neighbors and water

(01:03:22):
in the garden. So it's something I'm going to get
back into once we get over this this winter. I
was going to say this winter blast, Well, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Tell you what the hydroponics, what's really cool, and especially
that applies being down in southern California and a lot
of the times people like where I'm from or where
Hanks from, don't think about this because we're right next
to the largest, one of the largest fresh water sources
in the world right a bit different places.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I'm up river from him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
But but uh so hydraponics only uses like ten percent
of the water that traditional gardening does. So that that's
uh that help out in southern California too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Oh oh, absolutely absolutely we have. I mean, obviously we've
had our water issues here. God, I forgot what Newsom did.
What Newsom did a couple of years back, but he
grew some Newsom Yeah, grewsome new scum. New scum. God,
that guy's a fucking shit bag. But he uh God,

(01:04:27):
he did something with like a bunch of water that
we had and we were already struggling, and he went
and put it towards like a salmon farm or something,
which I'm all about them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I think he just released it. I think he just
dumped it into the Pacific or something like that. Yeah,
this fresh water and reservoirs and he just blew it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
So especially you know when you're saying, you know hydroponics
and the usage, you know ten percent, that's huge. One
thing before we go, while we're on this topic, I
do I implore everybody to go visit the website EWG
dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
And once you're on that website, what I would do is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
I would say I I'm a little special. It took
me a while. It took me a few minutes, a
few minutes longer than I wanted to. Once I was
on the website to get to the portion where you
type in your zip code and then you choose your
water source, what municipality you're getting your water from. But
it is very scary. I was just talking to my

(01:05:32):
dad the other day and he was unaware of that.
And he does all the board meetings and whatnot. He's
and then in the town that he lives in, most
of the city, I guess city, most of the city
is on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
City water and there's about one hundred people that are
on well water. And in my opinion, like I was
always like, well watered, that's the way to go. Dude,
you got wellwater man, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
And his well watered right now is completely arrable and
they've been on like a boil notice for the last
like six months. So anyhow, anyone listening, go to EWG
dot org. Go on there, type in your zip code
and see what kind of water you're working with. Because
if that don't piss you off, I don't know what will.

(01:06:17):
It's pretty bad. I guarantee you. Actually, I don't know
exactly obviously your water situation and you say you're on
on wealthy, Oh, but it's worth a look because it
may just surprise you with the amount of carcinogens and
the leak the legal listen, yeah, all that it's bad.
It's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad bad bad. So yeah,

(01:06:40):
that that's always something fun for for people too. If
if you want to question where your tax dollars are going,
that would be a good thing to bring up at
these these county meetings, city meetings, whatever, because fuck the
least if they if they're not fixing the potholes in
the road, right, the least they can do is at
least provide us with clean water, being that we're paying

(01:07:03):
these taxes. So that that's one of the most infuriating
things to me living here in California is like, dude,
come on and I'm telling you the water is bad.
I'll have to send you a I'll send you a
snapshot when we're done here of what my water looks
like and why we only drink bottled water. I have
a filter on my shower head and I don't even

(01:07:25):
give I I try not to, but I don't have
a lot of money, so I can't get my dog's
boiled water bottled water all the time. But I try
not to even give them water out of the out
of the faucet. So yeah, go check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
But you know, hey, you craint, so yes, yes, oh man,
Just remember people that, like the Treaty Tripley says America
is not a Christian nature. So when all these politicians
get in your face and talk about their they thank
God for doing and all this, and they're doing this

(01:08:01):
in God's name, just ask yourself one fundamental question, what
God are they talking about? Because they've already told us
it ain't It ain't the Creator. And man, you let
that go for too long, you end up with places
that don't even have good drinking water more two point zero,
Like we live in Ukraine. You know what do what Ukraine?

(01:08:25):
So uh? To the people following along to this, this
live stream currently thank you. Y'all are awesome. We can't
thank y'alla much enough for coming and supporting us each
week we do this. This is This isn't the Sunday
night episode for this week. This is gonna be for
the six four three double play, so you'll still expect

(01:08:48):
a live stream out of calling myself Friday night like always.
But I wanted to get on here this evening while
we had some free time. Knocked this out so I
can have an episode for the beginning of the year.
It's gonna be more adamant of out recording episodes and
getting them out on my end over this next year.
But y'all are amazing for tuning in to us and

(01:09:08):
for all of our listeners. We can't thank y'all enough
for all the love and support you've given us this year.
I wish y'all the happiest of New Years, and may
your tax returns be ever grateful. Gentlemen, gentlemen, I wish
you a good evening. I'm about to go drink and

(01:09:29):
drink with my wife. See what we can't get into
m likewise likewise, Yeah, but all right, y'all, thanks for
having me. Mand know, it's been awesome. Dude, you know
we love you likewise, all right, y'all. We love y'all,
God bless y'all and us always. He's got to catch

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y'all next time, Lapasta