Ep. 60 The Epoch of Esau w/ Doc Brown

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are alive again.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Up to the six fourty three double play.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm your host Hanyan, joined by my co host Chef Kyle,
and this week we are joined by author of the
epic of the Esau newly released book that you can
find on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
The link will be in the description of the show,
author Doc Brown. Good Sir, how are.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
You, hey, man, I'm doing well. Hey, thank you guys
for having me.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Oh man, it's a it's a pleasure, like we were
saying just shortly, go off the off the stream that.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We've we've been listening to your story.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it's it's said, definitely something that caught me by surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I haven't quite heard the Bigfoot Esau connection quite pitched
the way that you did.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
More or less how Esau Actually, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
The whole Sacred Garments story that you were talking about
was just fascinating because, like I said, growing up, you know,
in the Church of Christ, they don't deal with too
much fun stuff. We should say in the bibble of
you're definitely not gonna get any Church of Christ preachers

(01:49):
to talk about the extra canonical books or Gnostic Gospels,
as it were so anything an Enoch Joshure booked, you
believes you're you're not gonna hear about it, and so
I didn't hear about it.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Growing up, and then when I heard you talk about it,
I was like, man, I've seen that movie that did.
That does make a little bit more sense now that
he's you know, going through the jazzure and he and
I can talking about these things. Okay, So I really
kind of appreciate you just even bringing this to the
forefront because if I know, if I hadn't heard it,
then there's millions of people that's not probably not made

(02:24):
these connections.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So, without further ado just kind of briefly give us
an over an overview of what the Ethic of be
saw in Tribles.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah. Man, it's kind of like you know what you
said there. This is the stuff that's in this book
is it's kind of unsearched territory, you know, I mean,
it is the unknown, and that's something I talk about
in the show. You know, I've kind of coined it
the hero's journey, and it's like you have to go

(02:59):
into the unknown, you have to slay the dragon, rescue
the damsel, hoard up the treasure. But you know, then
when that's done, your journey's not over. Man. You have
to take this prize of great wealth and come back
to humanity and share this this prize of great wealth
with the world, and you start the hero's journey for

(03:19):
someone else. You know, I've heard bits and pieces of
some of these ideas, but it's just always been just
kind of surface level. Nobody that actually took all these
pieces and put them together and just took a super
deep dive. And it's honestly just it's amazing to rediscover

(03:43):
a thought or an idea that these ancient people held.
And as I went through and gathered these pieces, I
started making my own hypothesis and you know, connections on things.
And without fail, almost ninety percent of the time, when

(04:05):
I started looking through some of these ancient writings in
ancient texts, they were saying what I was thinking in
my head. So it was like, you know, Solomon said
it best. You know, nothing new is under the sun.
They will marvel and say they found this new thing,
but no, it is an old thing that was just
lost and now being rediscovered. And the same thing with me.

(04:30):
Even in my church, we kind of talked about some
of these things, but they just really they whitewashed it
and avoided the troublesome spots. And I've heard people, you know,
just kind of postulate just you know, maybe he saw
was a big foot and at the boom that's where

(04:53):
it stops. And I had to trace Smith from God
in a nutshell on the show, and he made the comment,
you know, hey, you're from East Tennessee, that's bigfoot country.
I'll come out and we'll go bigfoot hunting one day
and maybe record it. And just out of nowhere, I mean,
Genesis twenty five twenty five popped into my head. Read

(05:14):
that verse I don't know how many times and never
seen it in this light, and I was like, holy shit.
I mean, if we took the description of the birth
of Esau and seeing someone out in the woods or
even on the street or whatever, today, in our modern context,
without hesitation, we would say I seen a sasquatch. I

(05:37):
seen a bigfoot. So you know, it's for those that's
not familiar, you know. Genesis twenty five twenty five is
the birth of a set of twins. One of them
was a regular guy just like us, and the other one.
It says he came out red, covered in hair from
head to toe like a hairy cloak. So I was like, hey, man,

(05:59):
you think was the first bigfoot or at least first
like documented one. And he was like, hey, you know,
never thought of it like that, but you might be
onto something. He was a harry dude, And in church,
I was just taught that this was just a guy
with a good thick beard. He's just a harry dude.

(06:19):
And the Nephelum giants, like we were talking pre roll
uh yeah, they mentioned to wear giants and that there
was giants, but they just really downplayed it. Basically. They
were just like Shaquille O'Neill, man, Hey, he's a giant.
So that's kind of like what Glight was Glyath was.
He's just a tall dude.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, but they failed to mention that Goliath would have
been like twice as tall, almost two and a half
times as tall as Shack. And yeah, he wasn't playing basketball.
He was dominating the worlds of men. M Yeah, wasn't
It wasn't Goliath like one of the smaller of the brothers.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing is, just like you know,
the theory of entropy, nothing gets better. Over time, it
gets worse. So after the flood, you know, it's just
the inner breeding and marrying with these other you know,
regular people, that DNA strand got weaker and weaker, and
so the giants got smaller and smaller. And like with Esau,

(07:23):
I was just taught that, yeah, this this guy with
a really good beard, uh was a carnal man. And
he was a real good hunter. And he was a
carnal man. He was ruled by the desires of the
flesh and his gut. You know, he didn't think of
the future. It was just if he was hungry, he
would give you the shirt off of his back and

(07:45):
you know, just just to get what he wanted. Now,
so they kind of painted him just like this knuckle
dragging caveman with no intelligence, and that's not the case
at all. And but the oh, I'm sorry to go ahead.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
No, you're good, you're good. I'm sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 9 (08:04):
I just kind of going back and talking about, you know,
like the church. I know both you and Hank both
grew up in the church and and they don't get
into all of this. And my question, I guess to
both of you guys. First, first, for you, Doc but
what why do you think that is? Do you think

(08:26):
that the that the people preaching the Word don't fully
understand it or do it? Or do you think that
they do know that there is some like kind of
weird things going on with the Bible.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
They just don't want to speak about it.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I think it's fifty fifty, but mac actually, let me
rephrase that, it's probably, you know, eighty twenty. I'd say
eighty percent of them are ignorant of their own books
that they're that they're teaching about. Uh, they're just you know,
especially in the South, a large majority of the preachers
don't go to seminary, you know. I mean they're good

(09:07):
old boys. They grew up in the church and set
under a pastor for twenty thirty years, and they only
got one perspective on the Bible their entire life. And
when that pastor retired, they stepped into their spot and
they're just repeating the same teachings and ideas that that
pastor had, So they're ignorant to a lot of these

(09:29):
different thought processes and theologies. And then the other twenty
percent that actually went to seminary and kind of got
exposed to some of this stuff. They think that the
people in the church are too ignorant for this type
of information, they ain't ready for it. So it's like
they protect them from the weird stuff of the Bible.

(09:53):
I mean, that's my opinion.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, KYLEI you've heard me talk about it for
but especially down here in the South, a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Of people that.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Go to church only go to the church that they
go to because that's what their parents did. And the
only reason that their parents went to that church is
because that's where their.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
Parents went to church.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
And so you end up with generations within the same
family never faltering between what they believe. It's like Doc said,
you get one man that preaches out of a full
pit for forty fifty years, and then somebody that he's

(10:42):
preached to for forty fifty years takes his place and
preaches the same thing until he's replaced by somebody that
will preach the same thing. If I were to try
to have this conversation with anybody that I grew up
going to church with, this would happened, like they wouldn't
be able to conceptually acknowledge that this is a reality

(11:08):
to them. Genesis six holds no significance no more significance
than any other verse in about them. To them, Esau
was just some dude with an unruly beard. He probably
wore his hair a little too long. He probably has
some thick old Jason Kelsey eyebrows. You know, probably looked
a little teen wolfish. But no, he wasn't some He

(11:32):
wasn't some dude that literally to see, his father felt
his brother wearing the sheet or the fur of a goat,
and his dad thought it was Esau, Like, this is
how harry this dude was. Was like his dad put
hands on him. It was goat's fur, and he's like, okay,

(11:53):
you're Esauce. That's not just an unruly beard and bushy eye.
You know what I'm saying. This is something entirely different.
And before you ever knew about Esau being born read
which I'm assuming was tonight, right, Kyle, Yes, what did

(12:14):
you know about people with red hair? What's the running
joke with redheaded people?

Speaker 9 (12:21):
Nephim possibly having ties different blood type?

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Very rare?

Speaker 7 (12:30):
Here you go, So so, doc, let me ask you,
because Kyle likes to butter me up to all of
our guests when we have Bible talks, and he likes
to paint me up as some learned man of the scripture.
And while I did grow up in the church, like,
I'm not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination,

(12:51):
I've got a very rudimentary understanding of what I understand.
The more that we've done this podcast, the more reluctant
I've actually got to talk about this stuff, because I've
realized there's a lot that I say I believe, but
I can't explain why I believe it, And so do
I even believe it? You know? So I kind of

(13:12):
just like, maybe I should shut the hell up before
I get somebody else's soul in trouble, and then that's
on my hands too. But anyway, let me ask you
this where who was Esau's father?

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, e Sau's father was Isaac the Promise of Rebecca
and Abraham.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
How do how do you think how do you think
es Sau's DNA ended up like it was for him
to be born redheaded and cloaked in hair. Do you
think there was some tom fully you know, some nephilimic
tomfoolery that was going down, or was there something with

(13:55):
Isaac that allowed him to pass down this too?

Speaker 8 (14:00):
He sawt himself.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, and man, obviously, you know, if we look at
the birth, he was obviously different. And when Rebecca became
pregnant in the story in Genesis, it says that, you know,
she was getting up there in age and hadn't produced
any children, and she was barren, and she was worried.

(14:26):
And in the ancient world, that was the woman's job duty.
Her her worth was wrapped in to producing offspring, and
more specifically a male heir, and so she was worried
that you know, if she couldn't do this, then he
would just toss her to the side and replace her

(14:48):
with a younger woman that could that was fertile. And
so at her birth, this angel of the Lord appears
to her and tells warns her, and he says, you know,
two nations, two peoples are in your womb, and they

(15:09):
struggle together within your womb. And he said, one shall
be stronger than the other. He says, but the younger
shall rule over the older. So if you you know,
to understand anything properly, you have to step into the
mindset of the person of the story. You know, if

(15:31):
we're trying to interpret this, you know, thousands of year
old text with our modern lens in viewpoint, we're gonna
miss the entire point of the story because this is,
you know, an ancient text written by ancient people, two
ancient people. So if an ancient person reading this, it's
going to be a red flag right from the get go.

(15:53):
It's like, whoa, whoa, this guy's harry all over from
had to toe and you said, there's how can there
be two different people groups in this womb and they're
gonna be at enmity with one another, that they're going
to be struggling in the womb. And then you're going
to say that the youngest is supposed to rule over
the oldest. No, that's backward. The oldest gets the birth

(16:16):
right and the youngest serves the older. So immediately all
these red flags are going off to the ancient reader.
And this is not far removed from the event in
the Garden of Eden. And in the Garden of Eden
at the rebellion and the fall, God gives these curses

(16:40):
and prophecies, and they caught the proto Evangelium, you know,
the first good News, you know gospel, and in there
the woman it says that the woman shall have a seed,
and that the serpent shall have a seed, and that
they would be at enmity with one another. And it

(17:04):
says that the woman's seeds head will be bruised by
the serpents, and that the woman's seed will bruise or
the heel. So you have a bruising of a head
and a bruising of a heill and this prophecy. And

(17:26):
so just a few chapters later in this same book,
here's this birth and it says that, you know, one
come out red covered and hair like a Harry Cloak.
But Esau is literally taking his foot and pushing on
Jacob's head to get out of that womb. And it
gives us extra detail for a reason. It says that

(17:48):
Jacob is holding the heel of Esau. So this is
a polaroid of Genesis three fifteen. You know, I think
that that he's always a serpent seed. And when I
say that, man, a lot of Christians and stuff, even

(18:09):
the ones that are you know, more fringy and into
this stuff that we talk about here, kind of recoil
at this notion. But I'm like, that's what the entire
biblical narrative is about. You know. It says the spirit
of God came down and hovered over Mary and impregnated her.

(18:30):
You got the angels coming down in Genesis six, breeding
with the daughters of men, creating these hybrid beings. You
go into the ancient legends and mythosa of the Greeks
and many other cultures, you have, like Hercules. A while
people fail to realize Hercules had a twin. His brother
was completely normal human, but he had a different father.

(18:54):
He had Zeus as his father. So you had a
normal child and a child that was the offspring of
a heavenly being, Perseus. Perseus had a twin and once
again regular human brother. He was of semi divine origin.
So why would this be any different from the rest

(19:16):
of them? So and we can argue back and forth.
You know, was this a physical thing? Did you know
the serpent, the nakash Satan come down and have sex
with Rebecca? Or was this a spiritual thing? Like you know,
he just kind of hovered over her like the spirit

(19:38):
of God did with Mary. I mean, we don't know.
The text just doesn't say, but I postulate, you know,
in the book, and that's when Isaac went to go
get a wife. He goes to the land of Haran.
And when you look at the history of the people
of Haran, they were pagans. They worshiped many gods, and

(19:59):
one of the gods was named sam Quain and you
hear about him and the epica Gilgamesh because this guy
inky Do that's also covered in hare from head to toe.
It is said that he was made in the image
of this god, and he was covered in hare from
head to toe. And you know you have fawness in

(20:20):
the Roman pantheon, Sylvanus pan Uh. All of these, you know,
fertility gods were covered in hair. And they were like
these these wild beastly you know, kind of camera guys.
And the handmaid and also came with Rebecca back with Isaac.

(20:40):
So and when they go to get uh, Yeah, they
talked to their father and it's like Eliasar, the cup
bear of Abraham, was like, I'm here to give a son,
get my uh master's son a wife and uh. He
worships the god of Yahweh, and we're interested in your
daughter there and he says, ah, this Yahweh, we can

(21:04):
speak neither good nor evil of this god. So that
shows you they did even know who he was, because
they worshiped all these other gods. So I oppose the question,
with her being as desperate as she was, you know,
Baron not be able to have a child and fraid
that she was going to be cast out, would it
be out of the question for this woman that came
from a foreign land worshiped these fertility harry gods to

(21:27):
pray and maybe offer sacrifice for her womb to be blessed,
and then the result is Esau, or even unbeknownst to her,
maybe the handmaiden prayed to this fertility god and offered
some sacrifices for her lady. But either way, I mean,
you have this guy that was born looking like these

(21:48):
fertility gods, covered in hair from head to toe, and
the ancient Jewish texts like Lewis Ginsburg. He compiled a
nine book series called Legends of the Jews. In there
they say that Jacob had a guardian angel and it
was Gabriel, and that's uh. Esau had a guardian angel too,

(22:10):
but his guardian angel was Semi l which was the
name of Satan before the fall Yep. And it said
that he was born with a serpent's marking on his body,
basically like a serpent brand. So the people of this time,
whether it's true or not, that's what they believed.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Esau was definitely I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
No, it's great because even though that's not the first
time I heard it, it's still just a smack in
the face every time I hear it, because that's not
what you hear when you go to church. Nobody talks
about this in church, and if you do, I want
to go to your church. But this is I mean,
this is just absolutely and when you lay it out

(23:04):
like you do, because you're going between the Bible and
what would be considered extra canonical books, which as you explained,
because I listened to your your episode that you did,
it was just a couple of episodes. You you were
on a Gentleman's you were with broadcasting Seeds where you

(23:30):
talked about the epic of Esau, and then y'all's conversation.
You talked about how you never thought that you were
let me rephrase this that when you were reading their Genesis,
how Genesis leaves a lot unh unanswered you you were

(23:53):
left Genesis with more question started. Yeah, and you possibly
that it's probably because the books of Jash or the
Books of these or at least the stories within them
were at the very least well known oral traditions, to
the point that the author of Genesis didn't find it

(24:15):
prevalent on the issue enough to recount the stories. Yeah,
and so if we didn't even have these extra canonical books,
we'd never have these answers.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, you know, And.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
I think it's a shame that there's so many quote
unquote Christians out there today that as soon as you
bring up Enoch or Jash or Jubileese or any other
of the the other gospels, they just instantly just chastise you,
and and they don't want to hear anything of it
because that's that's blasphemous, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
But if they just take what we talked about, you know,
there's some people that that just want to sit in
the same church and same queue, under the same teacher
for forty years. And it's kind of like, you know,
if you're a sheep out in the pastor you know,
and you're in your little fence and you see that

(25:17):
there's a spot in the fence that's down. Now, you
don't leave the fence. Defence is safe. I got everything
I need here, and that's that's fine. But there's there's
some sheep that's a little more adventurous. We want to
get up and see what's on the other side of
that fence, right. So it's just the difference in people.
And I think God programs us all to be inquisitive,

(25:40):
to ask questions and to seek, you know, not all
of us, but you know, there's some of us like that.
And for I think that's what some of these books
and stories and things are for. It's for people like
us to follow the Hans and Gretel breadcrumbs. And I
can honestly say, looking at it, all this you know,

(26:00):
weird stuff that I was told not to look at,
and that it was of the Davil, you know, and
all this stuff has brought me closer to God than
you know, forty years of setting in the few, listening
to the pastor to give the same cookie cutter message
a year after year. And it doesn't have to be

(26:20):
canonical to be important for historical contexts and cultural context,
historal context. And I even think I said it on
that broadcasting seeds. It's like if somebody wrote the book
of the Histories of America and some kind of great

(26:43):
cataclysm happens wips this out a couple thousand years later,
archaeologists come over here and they start digging and they
find this Histories of America book, and close by they
find a Cosmopolitan magazine, Sports Illustrated magazine. Uh, you know,

(27:03):
something like that. I hope that they don't have the
mindset of some of these Christians and be like, that's
not in the Histories of America. Throw it away, burn it,
it's the devil.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, that might not be the Histories of America, but
you're gonna get a lot of context. You're gonna get
a lot of information of how we lived our lives,
sports were watching, the cultures of the time, our perspective
on just all these different things. And I guarantee you
those magazines are going to fill in a lot of
gaps that that Histories of America didn't give you. So

(27:42):
you know, that's kind of how I see these these
extra biblical books and stuff.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
So you know, like like Troubles from parana Aid radio podcasts,
he says, you know, why would they take out those books?

Speaker 8 (27:55):
And for me that was one of the that was
a that was a big thing for me. All the
extra books, the what do you I think they refer
to them as the Apothecals or what have you, Gospels,
the Gnostic Gospels.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
Okay, it's kind of weird because growing up, for me myself,
at least, going to church was a very painful experience
in the sense that I didn't want to go. The
setting was not right for me to be able to
get in the mindset to hear and receive the message,

(28:34):
if that makes any sense.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
It was almost like a chore. You know.

Speaker 9 (28:40):
I got to run around in my normal clothes all
day every day, but then when it came time to
go to church, I had to get all dressed up.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
I had to wear the shoes that.

Speaker 9 (28:48):
Were you know, I didn't have them broke inks, I
didn't wear them all the time. I had to wear slacks,
I had to tuck in my shirt, all these things
that I did not like. So immediately going in to it,
you know, it wasn't it wasn't pleasant for me. And
not only that, when I went in, I would go
in with my mom and some other family members, and

(29:11):
then I would be escorted to another room where the
kid where all the kids went, and so I just
always it always just left the nasty taste in my mouth.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
And then.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
As I started growing up, I remember digging into, you know,
books in the library that had to do with like UFOs.
So I was like, oh, this is you know, it's
kind of sci fi ish and it was very intriguing
to me. So started kind of looking into that. And
then I was like, well, in the Bible, to my knowledge,
like it doesn't really talk about UFOs, it doesn't talk

(29:47):
about these like extraterrestrial or.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Just cryptids and things like that.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
So I kind of put that whole idea of the
Bible and everything that encompassed that. I put that on
the back burner for a very very very long time.
And it wasn't until twenty nineteen for myself, during the
whole pandemic, long story short, fell into you know, a depression,

(30:15):
had my aunt gave me my first actual Bible. I
did get a Bible when I was you know, when
I went through boot camp. I got a little mini
little Bible with the you know, the camouflage and what
have you. But long story short again, it wasn't until
I started digging into the Lost Books of the Bible,
if you will, and where they're talking about giants and

(30:38):
where they're talking about it's it almost for me, it
went from like the Bible being being.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
Very straightforward, very serious to.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
Me learning about you know, the lost books, the books
that are not involved in the Bible that we see today.
It's almost like I I just read like a JK.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Rowling's book, like now.

Speaker 9 (31:03):
I'm in my Yeah, and it was fun and I'm like,
this is awesome.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
And the Book of Jasher for me.

Speaker 9 (31:11):
Was honestly my my biggest one that I dove into
and I haven't even you know, dove in that deep,
but I felt like it just so happened to be
at the time where I was looking into a drenochrome
and in the Book of Jasher it does speak of

(31:31):
I'm not even gonna get it right, but there is
some blood children, the blood drinking of the blood that
happens within that book.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
And so.

Speaker 9 (31:43):
Yeah, just very interesting to me as to why a
lot of these books are left out. And yeah, I
think what you're doing is awesome and really looking outside
of the line, outside of the box. And I'm excited, man,
I'm excited. I'm getting a little off topic here in

(32:05):
the sense, but I'm excited to check out your book.
To long story short is what I'm stoked about.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
And what's crazy is to the ancient people, you know,
this wasn't outside of the box. This was in the sandbox, Daddy.
We pushed it out. And that's the thing you got
to remember. There was no Bible back in the day.

(32:32):
There was scrolls. You had the scroll of Jashure, the
Scroll of Enoch, the Scroll of Isaiah, and they gathered
them and kept them in the synagogues and would read
from them. And it wasn't until Emperor Constantine that we
got a Bible. And he had conquered over, you know,

(32:56):
ninety percent of the known world of that time, and
he just converted to Christianity and he wanted to unify
his kingdom, you know, into one organized religion. And the
Muslims they had a book, and all these other religions

(33:17):
they had their own books, but Christianity didn't. So he
put together, you know that the Council of Nicia, and
they gathered all these scrolls and all these dielogians, and
uh debated and they decided on to what scrolls were
going to go into this book. And you know, it

(33:39):
could have been nefarious, you know, but I think what
the main point of that whole thing was was to
lay the guidelines of their sandbox. You know, hey, this
is our doctrine, this is what we believe, this is
what we don't believe. And so they compiled these books

(34:01):
just kind of to put everybody under an umbrella and
to have some guidelines. That was basically like an interstate
highway with no lines on it. They were painting the
lines where you could go, where you couldn't go, when
you could pass, you know, and all this stuff. Because
there was such confusion at this time, and you had

(34:23):
the Gnostics going around and these were the wolves in
sheep's clothing that they talk about in scripture, because like
the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and
all these these are Gnostic gospels, and they were floating

(34:44):
around and where there were no lines, people didn't know
what to believe or what the you know, the organized
religion's thoughts were on some of these things. So these
gnostics were writing scrolls and just putting, you know, Peter's
name on it, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of

(35:05):
you know, Thomas. When they you know, I mean, they
were being deceptive. But these people, it ain't like a denomination,
you know, like we have all these different denominations today.
It's the same core belief, it's just maybe a little
different viewpoint, you know. I mean. No, this was the
complete inversion and opposite of what the faith was. These

(35:27):
gnostics say that Christ was not the son of God,
so therefore he didn't die for the salvation of humanity.
And they say that he had a Christ consciousness, and
that Buddha, Mohammed, all these great people of history had

(35:50):
acquired this Christ consciousness, and that we don't need to
pray and seek some kind of outside source to commune
with the Creator because he don't exist. Uh, it's all inside,
you know. You you call to your higher self to
fix you and manifest your your destiny and all this stuff.

(36:12):
And then they would go to these churches and sit
in the synagogues and act like they were believers, but
they would be whispering the people beside of them, like, hey,
they're talking about yeah, but they're talking about God. They're
talking about miracles and seeing God and all this stuff,
but we're actually doing it over here. Come over here

(36:34):
to such and such a house after church, and you'd
walk in and they'd be you know, taking modern modern
day LSD. You know, they mix all these kookie on
drinks and spiked wines with all these different drugs and
they would hallucinate. Yeah, they'd see God all right and that.

(36:55):
So all that was going on. So they were like, okay,
we need to get together, put together a book, uh,
and condemned all these Gnostic gospels and let everybody know,
you know, the kind of the guidelines, and we want
to get.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
The time doc.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
At the same time, you have to know that Constantine
wasn't necessarily playing it straight across the board, because that
same song sea that protected us against these Gnostic gospels
were the same ones that told you that Enoch and

(37:33):
Jashuer and Jubilee shouldn't be taken into credibility. But I
think it was for the simple fact that what you
find in Enoch and Jashuer destroys the Roman Catholic Church.
M and I felt like it was wasn't so much

(38:00):
were our benefit that the Council of Nazia happened, as
much as it was for their benefit.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
They gave establishment the whole point.

Speaker 7 (38:10):
Sure, because like like you said, Constantine was a newly
converted Christian, but he only did it to appease the
amount of Christians that he had just come to rule over,
and so he had to come with a way to
appease everybody. And so he took a little Christianity, took
a little Paganism and married it together. Renamed all the

(38:35):
days of the week, you know, changed what day we
worshiped one, decided what books we were going to be
able to call truth and not truth, and boom, Catholicism
has been running it running wild ever since.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Mm hmm. Yeah. They wanted the Torah for the history,
and then you had the New Testament, you know, so
you basically have our creation, our history, our our downfall,
and then you have our our salvation in Christ and

(39:11):
redemption and return to Eden. So yeah, to me, it's
like the Bible that we have today is basically the
twenty minute clip of the two hour football game that
played the night before. You're going to get the overall jest,
but there's some key plays and footage missing from that

(39:32):
highlight reel.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Sure, sure, and uh I just I you know, if
it wasn't for the good the good people in this
world like you that are doing the research, because like
you said on on the podcast, I listened to the
other day. You this isn't something you started during COVID,
Like you've been dedicating years and years of your life

(39:57):
to this and it and it ultimately Cold Nates in
your book, which I'm really looking forward to getting and reading. Oh,
I will be placing in order for that book, so
because I gotta I gotta have. It was like something
that needs to be on my on my on my shelf,
because I mean, like I you know, I called myself

(40:18):
somebody that's growing up in or around the church. And
then you come out with the just the simple story
of the Sacred Garments and how they made their ways
from it from God to Adam and even all the
way down to how Esau got it, and how they
ultimately might have made their way down to Joseph and

(40:43):
the Code of Many Colors.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That was that was a wild journey, yeah Joseph.

Speaker 7 (40:52):
Yeah, but you know, and and and and no, like
nobody's ever connected that how of thought before, and so
when you did it, it was like, man, I feel
so cheated, you know, because I've well, all I hear
from a few of the podcasts that I trust to
listen to when it comes to biblical matters, and they're

(41:15):
quick to remind me not to put God in a box.
And it seems like that's what the Bible does, is
it tries to put God within the context of the
covers of that book. And a lot of today's Christians
preach it as if God, his his power only resides
within the covers of that book. He is only can.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I say all the time, man that the modern Church
and modern Christians. I mean, I love the Bible, but
I don't worship the Bible. I worship you know, God,
the creator of the universe. But nowadays, a lot of
you know, quote unquote Christians, I believe, worship a text.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
Yes, yeah, and wow, that's powerful.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
I don't think that. And I and I'm one of
them because you know, I told you earlier, there's a
lot of things that I don't talk about anymore because
I got to realize and that I can't I can't
show my work as it were, I can't explain to
you why I believe something. Therefore, I don't know if
I ever believe it or is that just what somebody

(42:22):
told me and their argument was good enough for me
to latch onto. And you know, so I think a
lot of the world's live their life, you know, especially
their their relationship with God and stuff. It's been in that.
It's the other this other man, especially some man behind
a pulpit. He says it's so much better than I do.

(42:45):
So I'm just going to take his word on it,
and I'm not going to do any of the work.
I'm not going to fact check the man. He said it.
It's got it sounded good, so it's got to be there. Well,
you know, Samuel L. Jackson, spiel And and pulp fiction
sounds really good to until you find out none of
that was in the Bible, you know, So you gotta

(43:06):
be careful with what you what you hold on to.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
But and and shout out to to Drew Missing he's
carrying on conversation with some of our our our viewers
in the chat. But yeah, it's not just the fact
that books were left out, it's deliberate trans you know,
mistranslations and the hiding of true contexts through mistranslations and

(43:33):
other you know, English is such a dumb language compared
to the the original languages of the Bible that we
really do lose a lot.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah, you need to go back to the.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Translation which is why I was so grateful when you
mentioned the logo software.

Speaker 8 (43:51):
So I was like, oh crap.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
I was completely unaware that this was out there and
make such an amazing tool to have man acted out that,
you know, me and Kyle we're talking about it, and
I was like, dude, this is this is amazing because
now I can now I feel like I might be
actually able to talk about some stuff and if somebody
asked me a question, well now I at least got
a few more bullets in my in my in my

(44:15):
holster than just the one of it's in there.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Trust me.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
That was really cool, man, So you want to go
into these garments? Is that where you want to go?

Speaker 8 (44:28):
That was actually interesting.

Speaker 9 (44:31):
That's really really weird because I've been keeping my mouth
shut here and hearing you talk about the garments.

Speaker 8 (44:38):
I listened to that particular show two times today.

Speaker 9 (44:43):
And maybe it's just because I'm not super familiar with
like the Bible, but like the garments. Let's get into it,
because I am lost in the sauce doc M.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, I mean it is. It's definitely fascinating to us
to read the Bible and think we know the Bible.
So I mean somebody's not real familiar with it. This
is definitely, uh, something that grabs your attention, you know,
especially if you're into, you know, the supernatural stuff, because
this this does it sounds like something out of a
comic book, and it's amazing that it's in this text.

(45:17):
But yeah, when you get into the book of Jashure, uh,
it follows the story of Esau and well, actually let
me backtrack. I'll just go ahead and I'll give you
the the prequel, you know, I mean Lord of the Rings.
We had to watch the Lord of the Rings and
then go back and get a rewind for the Hobbit.

(45:38):
I'll give you the hobbit first. In the garden, right,
you have the fall and uh Ezekiel twenty eight. You know,
it's unanimous all the scholars, you know, it's pretty much unanimous.
I mean, there's exceptions to every rule, but that they
believe that this was addressing Satan and this serpent in

(46:02):
the garden. This word in Hebrew is nakash, and nakash
can mean serpent. But the Hebrew language, you know, it's diverse.
It's a lot like English. You have one word spelled
the exact same, but it has four different meanings, so
the context and how it's used is very important. So

(46:26):
this can mean serpent, but it can also mean one
who practices divination or the shining one. So in the
context of that story, it's like, to me, what makes
more sense, a talking snake deceived Adam and Eve and

(46:47):
they were tricked and tossed out of the garden. Or
was this a shining one, a divine being that was
on God's divine council on holy Mountain, that Adam and
Eve knew saw every day, trusted, deceived them and rebelled
against God. That to me, that makes a lot more sense.

(47:09):
But in Ezekiel twenty eight, you know, you have this
address to the King of Tire, but then it switches.
It starts talking to this entity, the spirit pulling the
strings of the king, and you tell right away he's
no longer talking to the king.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
It says you were perfect in all your ways. You
were in the garden of God. Every precious stone was
your covering. And it lists these stones, you know, barrel onyx,
topaz jasper onyx. According to what translation you read, the
Masoretic text lists nine stones, but the septuagent list twelve

(47:45):
it says in golden lays were your settings, and they
were perfect, and you were perfect today they were created.
So this is a mirror image of the priestly epod
that the priests will or when they entered the holiest
of holies. And then it goes on to say that
he profaned his sanctuaries. It's painting this nakash in a

(48:11):
priestly role, wearing the priestly e fod and having a sanctuary.
So when you go into the old writings, you know
the legends of the Jews and the ancient thought and
even uh so they make it out basically at this
Filish rebellion, Satan was demoted. His garments and priestly position

(48:36):
was taken from him, and it was bestowed upon Adam
on the mankind, and all the Rabbis trace their first
you know, king and priest of all creation to Adam,
and miss I.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
Don't want to interrupt too much, but I just think
it's important to point out that it's that it's the removal,
it's the taking of these priestly rights from whether you
want to call them, Samuel, Lucifer, whoever you want to
call them, and giving them to man that is what
created this hatred for mankind with this Samil. It's not

(49:17):
the fact that God loved us more than angels and
that they were perfect over us and somehow God just
loved his new little toys. It's because there was literally
a a what we would recognize as a governmental layout
to heaven. There was a chain of command and and

(49:39):
and and Lucifer's position granted him amazing authority and power
and it was stripped from him and he was cast
out because he decided to Oh, it's just that you
never hear that preached. You never hear that it's because

(49:59):
his priestly rights were stripped from him. Literal garments that
were the representation of these rights were taken from him
and given to mankind. You don't hear that.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
No, And like you said, it answers the question and
the motivation why Satan hates you so much. Yeah. Something
that that was his It was his status symbol. It
showed he was the you know, the king, the king
and priest over creation and you know, something he wore
with pride. It was his status symbol. It was like
a king's crown. So something that was his centerpiece, something

(50:37):
that he was so proud to where it was taken
from him and given to a created being that's lower
than him in his eyes.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
That alone, when you read it, hatre Genesis three just
skips right over it. You get one little brief two
sentences about Adam being cloaked as he's getting the boot
out of the garden, and that's all that's mentioned of it.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
And at least in in in what we recognize is
the Bible today. Yeah, if you didn't go back and
read these extra canonical books, you wouldn't have the information
that we just discussed.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, and see, this was the birth right. You keep
hearing about this birth right. That's what it is, because
it all feels back to blood, Yeah, and authority through blood. Yeah.
And so the eldest chosen line got this garment passed

(51:41):
them and this was the symbol of kingship and authority.
It was the signet ring. And it travels down and
it follows it. It goes all the way through Adam
to Saith, to Enoch, to to Matthuselah to Noah, and
the Book of Jasher says that these go garments were
on the boat with Noah coming over the flood and

(52:05):
that in Ham's going out, Ham steals these garments, steals
the birthright, and then gives them the Cush, And it
says that Cush hides them, and then he ends up
having Nimrod. And it uses the same kind of phrases
used when talking about Joseph. You know, if you remember,

(52:28):
it said that Joseph was the child of Israel's old age,
whom he loved exceedingly, and it says it's about Nimrod.
It says Nimrod was the child of Kush's old age
and whom he loved exceedingly, and he gave him the garments.
And it said that at twenty years old, at the

(52:48):
coming of age, that Nimrod put on these garments and
he became a Gibblerim, the same word used to describe
the Nephelum giants in the Hebrew Txts. And this ties
right into Genesis, and a lot of people have theories
on this. They say, oh, Nimrod wasn't born at Gibbleriem.
It says he became a gibble rem. This is how

(53:12):
it was through these supernatural garments from the Garden of God.
And it ties in with Esau so Nimrod. This mighty
gibble rem His claim to fame is that he was
a mighty hunter. This is the same title that Esau had,
so I kind of make the joke. It's kind of
like the Highlander. You know that there can only be

(53:35):
one baby. So he got these two mighty men that
want to show each other who the real mighty man is.
In the book of Jashure words it like he's hunting Esau.
He's hunting this beastly hiiry quote unquote man. And it
says that jealousy and hatred built up in the heart

(53:56):
of Nimrod against Esau all of his days, and Nimrod
and two more of his gibble reem men go into
the wilderness to hunt down and kill Esau. But Esau
is a mighty hunter as well and sees them and
hides hisself, and when they're not, you know, least expecting it,

(54:19):
he jumps out, takes the sword, cuts off Nimrod's head,
and then battles these other two giants and kills all
three of them single handedly in combat. And then it
says he takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments, to
which he was able to rule over all the nations

(54:40):
and then he runs home and hides these garments, it says.
And then here's where it dove tells perfectly with the
Book of Genesis, with the trading of the birds, right,
because in Genesis it just says, it just kind of
fasts forwards to this day, you know, in the future,
and it says Esau come in from the field exhausted
and his brother was making lentinel stew and Esau says,

(55:05):
give me some of that red stew and Jacob says, sure,
but you're gonna trade me the birthright. And He's like, ah,
what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead?
Take it? And I'm like, what that makes absolutely no sense.
But when you tie in this book of Jeshure, it
makes perfect sense. He just killed the king, he's on

(55:26):
the run, he's fearful of his life. He just killed
not one, not two, but three Gibeerim giants, probably sustained
some life threatening injuries and was possibly bleeding out. He
was desperate. That's why he said, what use is a
birth right to me when I'm dead? Take it? No
hide me, sew up my wounds, give me nourishment. I'm

(55:47):
gonna die. And that explains Jacob's urgency. A lot of
people look over that. It ain't just like, oh, you know, hey,
I really like that birth right. Why don't you consider
trading it to me. No, he's like, swear to me
now that you will do this thing. No, swear to
me now. I mean he says it like three times.
There's desperation in his voice because imagine you're sitting in

(56:10):
the kitchen cooking up some stew and all of a sudden,
your brother just bursts in the door, he soaked in blood,
probably holding his guts in, you know what I mean,
and freaking out. I just killed him, Rod, and either're
looking for me, you know, hide me, help me, help me.
He took advantage of the opportunity. He's like, yeah, I
helped you. It's going to cost you.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
And he knew that it wasn't just something as simple
as saying, yes, you can have my birth right, because
it wasn't something that was given to him as simply
as that.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
And the thing is, I think it was a deception too,
because think about it, if you're gonna about to die,
you'll agree to anything. But when you make it, you know,
it's like, oh God, please save me from this car wreck.
I'll stop smoking. I'll never smoke another day in my life. God.
And then you make it through the car wreck and
you're like, oh man, yeah, you know what I'm saying,

(57:08):
because like the blessing of Isaac is kind of like
you go into the lawyer's office and they stamp in
that paper. Now it's official. Because if he meant to
honor his trading, you know, of this birthright to Jacob.
When his father called him into the bedchamber and said, son,
my life's fading. I want to taste your game one
more time. Go go hunt, bring me some tasty meat,

(57:32):
and I will give you your blessing. He's like, all right, Dad,
I'll go do it. He takes off. If he meant
to honor that trading of that birth right, he'd have
been like, Dad, I appreciate it, but I traded my
birthright to Jacob. You know what I'm saying. He had
no intentions of keeping that deal.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
Which is probably why Jacob was so trepidacious to accept
it to begin with. You know, it's probably why he
asked him three different times to you know, Chris, across
your heart, dudes, let me go get this Bible and
let you swear on it real quick, because I need something. Sure,
It's just this is not just something, because I mean,

(58:12):
both parties were aware that they weren't dealing with anything trivial,
and they weren't dealing with anything that could be given
as freely as somebody's word. M I mean you were,
you were, I would I would venture so far as
to say that to it. In order to properly for

(58:35):
Esau to pass that birth right on, there probably would
have had to been something involving blood go down between
them two, whether it been some form of contract or whatever.
You know, but you don't just hand your birth right
off by saying it. You know that, because we're dealing
with people who lived in a world where everything, whether

(58:58):
they thought about it as not, we look back at
it through the lens of pretty much everything it did
was a ritual one thing or another. You know, everything
about their life was intentional, you know, especially with so
I just don't think it was just something like you're saying.

(59:20):
I very well do believe that Esau was like, you know,
fingers crossed behind the back, like I will say whatever
it takes for you to help me put my guts
back inside of me. Yeah right now, yeah, that checks out, man.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
And with those garments too. I love looking at comparative mythology.
You know, when you look at other cultures and their
legends and their lore, their quote unquote mythology. Uh, when
you see common themes across the board, to me, that
that signals that there's a much more ancient source. It's

(59:55):
a it's a shared story. You know, no matter where
you go, you have stories of giants, no matter where
you go, you have stories of Bigfoot.

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
And well, I think that's for And I heard you
explain this on on the show the other day, and
I kind of have a different take on why there's
so much similarity.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Well, I'm going to the garments. I mean I was.
I was just saying just using these as kind of
like to tee it up. But you have this of
the garments and this. You know, I didn't talk to
broadcasting seeds about this, but you see the echoes of
these garments throughout culture too. A lot of people look
over it. One example that I use is the Golden

(01:00:42):
Fleece from Jason in the Argonauts. If you remember the
story Jason assembles this, you know, a team of ancient heroes.
Hercules was among them, and they go into the Black
Sea the Caucus area to retrieve these supernatural the golden fleece,

(01:01:08):
and this was the status symbol of kingship and authority.
And in the ancient legend it says that there was
a set of twins once again, and there was a
male and a female and one the guy's name was Prixus.
I can't remember the girl's name now, but Zeus wanted

(01:01:29):
them sacrificed, wanted them dead. Athena feel sorry for him,
and she goes down and she provides them a golden
ram that can fly to escape the wrath of Zeus.
And they get on this ram that flies off well.
On the flight, the woman falls just like Eve falls

(01:01:53):
and dies, but the man is alive and the ram
lands in this sacred garden called the Garden of Ares,
and Athena comes down and says, well, the woman's already died,
so we have to offer a sacrifice on your behalf

(01:02:17):
to appease Zeus. So kill the ram and that will
be your substitute and Zeus will be happy. So Prixus
kills the ram and then he removes the rams golden
fleece and he hangs it on a tree in the
midst of the Garden of Ares, and there it is

(01:02:39):
guarded by a great serpent. Tell me, you don't see
the garden of Eden, this tree, the supernatural garments and
the serpent guarding it in this story. And it's the
status symbol, the symbol of kingship and authority. And only
through the supernatural aid of the sorcerer Medea is Jason

(01:03:04):
abel to get these garments. And when you go back
to the Bible, Isaac was the firstborn son. God wanted
him sacrificed. What happens. They go to a high mountain
and right before he stabs his son, the angel the
Lord appears and what does he provide? A ram as

(01:03:27):
a substitute for the sacrifice?

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
He does, don't he.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
That's wild echoes of an ancient source. I'm not saying
the Bible's not true. Don't take what I say in
twist for anybody listening. No, this is the original ancient story.
And you have these fallen angel perversions and retellings of this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
Story highlight that what I've been saying forever.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Maybe yes, of course, no, seriously.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
That's I mean, that's my explanation as to why there's
so many different similar retellings of everything is because I mean,
Kyle knows, like I draw it all back to John
one one in the beginning was the word, and the
word was with God, and the word was God. And
I deduce that while that word is a separate entity,

(01:04:23):
that word is probably the law, the law of reality,
of God's reality in a sense. And so like everything
that we recognize as reality came from that word that
was separate but with and was God. And so that
means that obviously Samuel or Lucifer, whatever he had to

(01:04:43):
come from it. And if he's literally made from the
same essence that is that word, who better than to
twist and pervert what God's word was than somebody that's
made of it. That takes a whole different meaning to
knowing the word inside and out when you're literally made
from it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:02):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
And so to me, that's why there's so many because
what better way to get you to believe a lie
than to give it, you know, give it to you
fed in between some truths.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
And that's like the Mesopotamian texts. You know, a lot
of people will say, oh, they predate the Bible. Therefore
the Bible's bunk, and you know, and all that. And
I'm like, the first of anything is not the best.
Do you think a Ford model T is better than
a modern car we had today? I'm sorry. If you
believe that, you're a fool. And another thing is, if

(01:05:36):
we believe the biblical narrative, what happens these fallen angels rebel,
they're cast out of heaven. Of course you're going to
get their story first. They were here first. Yeah, you're
you know. Yeah, the Mesopotamian stories and legends may pray
predate the Bible. That doesn't make it the truth. And

(01:05:58):
if you believe, if follow the biblical narrative, yeah, they
were here first. They rebelled, they left their first estate
and came down here. Of course you're going to get
their story first.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
That might be That might be very basic for most
people to understand, but for me, that is like mind
blowing something.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
I never connected the dots, he said, well.

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Siloquently than I ever have. That's exactly it, man, Yeah, no,
you yeah, definitely they were. They were definitely here before.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
They think about it like this. When Cain was cast
away after killing Abel, he found people to go to.
But the Bible doesn't tell you that. Genesis doesn't tell
you that. It just tells you that later.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
You know, I think it does. I think it does.
It's just people look over and missing turn. Yeah, when
you read the Creation, it says that, you know, on
day three he made the vegetation. On day six he said,
let us make man in our image. I don't know,
a lot of people think that's the Trinity. I think
that's the divine counsel. That's the us in the hour.

(01:07:12):
Because the Book of Job says, you know, the benehai Elohem,
the sons of God were there and witness creation. Because
he's telling Job, where were you when I hung the stars?
Where were you when I laid its foundations and drew
the plumb line and all this stuff. He said, when
the morning stars the sons of God sang for joy

(01:07:34):
at the sight of creation. That shows you they were
there and saw it. That's to us and our daddy,
that's who he's talking to. He ain't talk to hisself.
And when you go through that, man, it's just wild.
Because you get to day six, you know, let us
make man in our image. Right, And then it says
God rested. Well, then it says that God took a

(01:07:56):
pinch of clay and or the dirt and made ay,
and that he was a lifeless being until he breathed
the breath of life in him. Right. Well, when you
read that account, it says that he done this before
there was any vegetation. Vegetation was on day three. You're

(01:08:18):
getting a hobbit rewind. A lot of people take the viewpoint, Oh,
this is just a more detailed, you know, telling of
the Day six event. No, it says this happened before vegetation,
and vegetation was on day three. So Adam, in my opinion,

(01:08:38):
was quite possibly there with the us in our seeing
the creation. He is a benehai Elohim. He is a
son of God. And then Day six was the creation
of another race. Adam and Eve were something separate, but
they were cast out. And that's why when Cain goes out,

(01:09:02):
he's scared to death. Somebody's gonna kill him. Well, hell,
who's gonna kill him? They're all right there. Who's his
kid's gonna marry and interbreed with? It's those Day six
people that's outside of the garden, that's who. That's my
next book. They go, but neahi Elohim.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
See, because that's something that interest me. And I don't
know where I land on that, because it's hard for
me to take myself out of the box that the
Church of Christ put me in mentally at such a
young age. And no, hey, that they that's that's not
possible there. Of course, there's only one God, and of

(01:09:46):
course the Us was he was talking about the Holy Trinity,
and now was he though? Was he? Though? I don't,
I don't know. See, this is where we we we
find ourselves at the short end of the proverbial stick,

(01:10:06):
because English is such a crude language that we you know,
whether intentionally or unintentionally, we've lost the meaning of what
was in those scrolls.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
You know, we don't when I say God, it's too
I mean to us Christians, it's angelic beings. They are created,
you know, there is one supreme creator, and it's kind
of like the the pantheon of Greek gods. You know,
Zeus sits at the top and then he's got these

(01:10:39):
lower beings underneath him that help him rule like a kingdom,
like a monarch. You know, every kingdom has a king.
Then you have the messenger of the king, you have
the leader of the army, you know, in all these
different roles. And that's kind of how the ancient Israelites
painted the Kingdom of Heaven. Yahweh was the supreme God

(01:11:01):
that said at the head, he was the creator. But
then these other angelic beings were created to help him
rule his kingdom, and a fraction of those rebelled and
they were kicked out of the kingdom and they landed here.
And they were different than us. You know, they've probably

(01:11:22):
glown they had supernatural powers, magic technology, and us as
humans worshiped them as gods. They presented themselves as gods,
you know, but they really wasn't God's They.

Speaker 10 (01:11:35):
Were just you know, falling outcasts. Yeah, of going against
the created order, that's.

Speaker 8 (01:11:47):
Wild to me.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
Like thinking about the way that you just described it, Doc,
is that you know you have God and then you
have all of his his people below him that are
helped running the show. Like why would you if it's
so amazing, Like, why would you go against the word

(01:12:11):
and why would you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:12:13):
Why why.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
Is it because you're searching for.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
If you had your if you literally had your position
and authority stripped from you and given to what you
perceived to be a lesser being. You know, of course
you're going to resent that that person that received your blessing.
That's it. You're not just barthright. You were created into

(01:12:40):
this position, you know, like the archangels were were you
know if if in this heavenly hierarchical system. Yeah, they're
they're they're above the run of the male angels. They're
not just punching the clock. They're your supervisors and your foremance.
They're the generals of the armies. They're the ones, you know,

(01:13:02):
hands on they get to go sit with God and
get the directions and then that you don't need to
go to God, you come to me. I'm I'll take
care of it, you know, change right, And so so
when God was like, you know what, you don't deserve
this anymore, I'm gonna give it to this dude, and
you're like, the the dude that like the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
New guy poops just started, the new guy.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
That has to breathe, you mean that thing, that's what
you're gonna give this too. I'm gonna destroy him and
all of his for the rest of eternity.

Speaker 8 (01:13:42):
That makes a little bit more sense. I get that.
I get that, Okay, Okay, wow, wow.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
His head watch missage in his face.

Speaker 9 (01:13:55):
Dude, it really doesn't And Doc, I do this from
time to time. I look at myself as a as
a sponge, if you will, And not all the time,
but sometimes when information is broadcasted to me in such
a way, I'm just like, I feel like a lot

(01:14:17):
of this was right in front of my face, under
my nose, and I never seen it, never smelt it.
And it's yeah, it's it's times like these that and
I think that's important for a lot of people, Like
it's okay to break free from your from the walls

(01:14:39):
that are blocking your vision, Like it's okay to look
outside of the box.

Speaker 8 (01:14:45):
It's okay.

Speaker 9 (01:14:47):
And for a lot of people that focus on like
mainstream religion, mainstream media, they get so caught up in
the in the circus where it's a day to day
routine where you know, anything, yeah, anything outside of this
box and is just forbidden and you know, going back,

(01:15:14):
which is kind of how I got started in this whole.

Speaker 8 (01:15:17):
I'm money. I don't want to call it a movement, but.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
I guess looking outside the box again is absolutely is
an awakening but twenty nineteen was such a blessing. I
think on so many people, and you know, I know
there's a lot of a lot of other folks, maybe
such as yourselves, that are yourself that has kind of

(01:15:44):
noticed that something's just not right. Maybe fifteen twenty years
ago for me, that wasn't the case.

Speaker 8 (01:15:51):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
I dug into the uh, the whole nine to eleven stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Loose change, loose change, one in two.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
I dug into when I was in my teens, early teens,
But it wasn't until twenty nineteen where things really started
to where I was actually I feel like I was
just challenged, like something doesn't seem right, and I implore,
I implore everybody just to get outside.

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
The norm every once in a while, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
Dig a little deeper, and I feel like it'll blow
your mind. You know, there's a lot of people in
my family who I have broughten forth information to not necessarily.

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
Biblical, but just political and just things going on in
the world.

Speaker 9 (01:16:48):
And you bring these ideas forth, and it's very hard
for a lot of people to actually accept these things
because they have been you know, trained in brainwashed to
think this way, and a lot of folks. That's really
hard when you're told your entire life this is what

(01:17:11):
you should think, and you actually believe that, and you
put your all your energy into that, and then you
have somebody else telling you like, no, like everything that
you've been told was a lie essentially, whether that be
you know, there's obviously a many, many, many, a plethora

(01:17:31):
of topics that that I can apply that to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Paradigm busters. Man, it triggers most of the time flat
or fight reflex. But very few people can sit and
hear out a matter that's totally outside of their paradigm
or perspective and entertain it and possibly change their mind.
There are very few far in between.

Speaker 8 (01:17:55):
The ones that you're une.

Speaker 9 (01:17:57):
I don't know about you, Doc, but like I'm gonna
I'll ask you, do you have any Because we've just
kind of been focusing on this one topic, I would
presume that there are other things that have happened historically
that you may or may not have challenged the narrative
that you've been told. Is there any family man, Like,

(01:18:21):
how does that work with your family?

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Is?

Speaker 8 (01:18:26):
Does is everyone kind of on board with your thoughts
on things? Do you share this with certain family members
and friends.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Yeah. Honestly, I'd say some of the people that maybe
just catch little clips, you know, like my family or
something or friends about some of the stuff I talk about,
they might think, you know, I'm crazy, or maybe I'm
just making up stuff for attangent or clicks on YouTube.
But the ones that actually that I get to talk

(01:18:55):
with and you know, reason with them like I am
with you, you know here today and show Bible verses
and historical references and stuff like that, they're open to it.
And I have, you know, changed some minds on some people.
And like my mother for instance, you know, she grew
up in church her whole life and she was one

(01:19:17):
of those under the same teacher for years and years,
and like, my book just totally blew her mind. And
she's like, no, I believe it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
She said, you laid it out good. She said, you
had all the Bible verses there side by side. It
wouldn't for left up to me to look it up. No,
you put the receipts right there. You said, here's the verse, boom,
copy pasted it, and now that you've read it, here's
what I think about it. And here's four more other
verses that put a pretty red ribbon on it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
So she said no, she said, it's just crazy. The
stuff that's like you said earlier, it's right under your
nose and you just look over it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
I love the way that you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
Kind of broke that. It broke your book down. Now
I have not I don't have your book in front
of me.

Speaker 8 (01:20:08):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:20:08):
I don't own it yet, and I will be owning
and I can guarantee you both, Hank and I will
be purchasing a copy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
But when you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:15):
Explained how the book was laid out, I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
I love it. I love it. I love it. And
for somebody like me, the way that you're describing.

Speaker 9 (01:20:28):
It is perfect. It's like boom boom boom. And you
have receipts for everything that It's huge, dude, that is
so huge. And the amount of time that you spent on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
This, yeah, it took me two years, man, well two
years of your obsession, a building obsession of making the
book right.

Speaker 9 (01:20:52):
But but how long have you been researching this particular topic.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Oh yeah, I mean I've been deep diving this this
weird stuff since twenty twelve.

Speaker 9 (01:21:04):
That's huge, man, that's huge, And dude, don't ask me
how I have a fly somehow it's cold as ship here,
I have a.

Speaker 8 (01:21:12):
Fly that's flying around and landing on my camera.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Not to ask you if you had a spirit going
back and forth or maybe like a cat's tail that
was just out of reach now right there at the age.

Speaker 9 (01:21:23):
No, and don't don't let my degenerate tattoo here. I
always get a little freaked out because I feel like
some people might see it as like some red like
upside down.

Speaker 8 (01:21:33):
It was just the market based hand.

Speaker 11 (01:21:36):
Yeah, I can assure you. I can assure you, sir,
that that is not that is not the case. Yeah,
made some mistakes a little back when, but we all man,
yeah you're telling me.

Speaker 9 (01:21:54):
But yeah, So as we wrap this up, man, I
know it's getting late on your end and we've kind
of already.

Speaker 8 (01:22:00):
Is there anything else you want.

Speaker 9 (01:22:02):
To plug as far as your book goes, and not
only your book, but I want to get into I
know you have you have Prometheus lens. You have a
I forgot the name of it. It's not Patreon, which
I find super awesome and interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:22:17):
But you have another.

Speaker 9 (01:22:20):
Link or subscription to where you don't have to listen
to any of the ads. And you get a little
extra content. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Yeah, so, yeah you can. You know a lot of
people go to Apple and Spotify to consume their audio content,
you know, on YouTube, and I discovered this thing called
super Cast, and so it's it's frustrating when you find
a podcast that you enjoy and you want to get
the bonus episodes and the extra content and the ad

(01:22:52):
free content, and you have to get off of your
app that you use to consume all your content and
log into this third party site, you know, like Patreon
and click all these different links and watch them, you know,
to the side, and can't turn it off and put
it in your pocket because it kills It turns off
the audio and all that frustrating stuff. But super Cast

(01:23:16):
is like Patreon, but when you sign up for it,
it links to your favorite player. So once you sign up,
you just you know, click, you know, your Spotify, your
Apple or Podbean, whatever you listen to to consume content,
and it links it to your account. So if you

(01:23:36):
sign up for my supercast and you love listening to
your content on Spotify, you pull up your Spotify app
and boom, you have a new feed of the Prometheus
lens that has like a little lock icon next to it.
That's the private feed, and everything that I upload to
Spotify goes on there too, and it's ad free, and

(01:23:58):
then all my bonus content that is behind the paywall
is also in that feed. But at the same time,
it does operate like Patreon. You can log in to
super cast and there's video content on there like YouTube.
There's messaging boards, there's ask Me anythings, links to Facebook groups,

(01:24:20):
you know, and all these other things. So you can
use that, you know, just as you use Patreon, but
it sinks to your favorite players. So I think that's
an amazing feature.

Speaker 8 (01:24:32):
When you when you mentioned that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:34):
To be quite honest with you, I had never heard
of super cast before, and I love the idea because
I've done I've gone the Patreon route, I've gone the
rock Finn route, and those all work, and that's cool
and dandy, but it's an extra. I like listening to
my stuff personally on Apple's that's just my go to

(01:24:59):
and occasional only. I have some some buddies and and
fellow podcasters that only do their stuff on Spotify, but
what better way. That's genius. So yeah, I love it man.
I love it, Hank. I don't know if you got

(01:25:20):
any partying words before we let mister mister doc go.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
I've got your book in my cart I'll be nice.
I'm really looking forward to getting that in and reading it.
And hopefully when we do get it in and we
get it read, we can have you back on and
uh try to hit some of hit some highlights throughout
the book or something, or have a completely different discussion

(01:25:47):
or whatever. But this we did. I know, we didn't
touch it all the night.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
I don't think there's any way within an hour and
a half you can cover everything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
This book's two and seventy pages. You know that, even
when you go into the genealogies, that's a fascinating discussion.
He marries into Nephilom giant clans, bursts the Amalekite race,
whose name means the blood liquors. And according to the
rabbinic traditions of Rashi, they were shape shifters and sorcerers.

(01:26:17):
And that's why God said kill every man, woman, child,
and animal, because they were known to shape shift into
animals to avoid capture.

Speaker 7 (01:26:27):
I love it, I love it well.

Speaker 8 (01:26:29):
Part two.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
Let's go, Yeah, real quick lug your plug anything you
want to plug before we get out of here, and
we will make sure that we have all these links
in the show notes for anybody that wants them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Well, thank you man. I appreciate you guys having me
and give me a your platform to talk about some
of these topics and I just really enjoy these discussions.
But yeah, man, the podcast is Prometheus Lyn's podcast website.
I have a website, but I'll be upfront with you.
I don't update thing like I ort to, but it's there.
Prometheus lynnspodcast dot com. Have a store on there with

(01:27:07):
some merch and shirts and coffee mugs, different things like that.
You can sign up for the Supercast behind the paywhile
membership For that, I have two tiers. I have a
four dollars a month tier that gets you all of
the content AD free and forty eight hour early access

(01:27:28):
to all episodes did I have a ten dollar tier
that gets you that, but it also gets you the
members only episodes. And then once a month I do
a member's Q and A, so just like we're doing
right now, every single month, I have an author, a
researcher or a speaker, and all our members come in
and do we have this huge video chat with these

(01:27:51):
authors and researches and you get to hang out, ask
your questions and pick their brains. You know, I've had
La Marzouli, I've had Derek Gilbert, Gary Wayne, just to
name a few. So these really highly respected guys, you
can come and rub elbows with them and ask him
your questions. Man, I don't know of any other show

(01:28:11):
that offers this kind of access to these people. And
it's fun. But yeah, and then far as the content,
anywhere you consume content, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, social media, So
I'm on Facebook, Instagram, X, all those fine establishments. Just
search up Prometheus Lynn's podcast and you will find me there.

(01:28:32):
And the book is on Amazon. It's available in ebook
for ten bucks or the paperback for twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:28:40):
That's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
Well, Doc, we can't thank you enough for taking time
out of your day to come talk to us and
educate us a little bit. Like I said, I was
listening to you the other day, and half the questions
that I asked you were I was literally asking you
while I was listening to the show, except you're actually
able to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Them this time.

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
That's usually how I listen to podcasts. I try to
conversate with y'all, but y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Don't hear me.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
But so it's really cool when I can get y'all
on the show and get some of them questions out
instead of just out of my head. But no, man,
it's this has been amazing. Like I said, I can't
wait to get your book in and get it read
because I I've gotta I've gotta know, man, I gotta
know what you got in between them covers. Yeah, man,
this was something that I've never heard before and makes

(01:29:30):
more sense than I care for it to minigate Admittford
that it makes because it, like Kyle was saying, it's
like some of this stuff, once it hits you, you're
just almost ashamed of how you didn't see it before.
You know, it takes a filler such as yourself to
point these things out. And hey, man, well if we
can help spread the word that you're out here with

(01:29:51):
some truth, and that's we'll do what.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
We can, you know. Yeah, And I'm a good old
boy man, So I take a lot of these complex
issues and you know, scholarly issue use and filter it
through this Southern twang and some good old boy language
that you can understand. So you know, if you enjoy
you know how I talk and present things, that the
book is just like that. The book is true to
my voice. Uh, there's all the Southern misspellings. You'll probably

(01:30:17):
find some typos in there. It's my first book, you
know what I'm saying. Uh, and your humor in there, Yeah,
to cover everything, and I throw in a lot of jokes.
I think even at one point, I'm talking about creation
and I said, you know, on the seventh day God
rested it. Ain't that he put it. He got in
his recliner and put his feet up and turned on
the TV to watch the Tennessee by always lose again.

(01:30:42):
So you know, it's heavy topics and and dark topics
at times, but I insert a lot of just good
old boy humor and try to keep it true to
my voice.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
Sure, I can't wait to get it in. I can't
wait to read it. And I once again just thank
you so much for coming on and I appreciate it
to us about this. So everybody, y'all go get this
man's book, download it by, get it and get it
in your hands, get it in your libraries, Go follow him.
On all your on your po uh podcast catchers and

(01:31:15):
all this stuff. Go check him on social media's dot
Brown that epic of the saw. Get it in your brain.
Let's go, let's go. Well, fellas, we appreciate y'all. We
you know, listeners, We love y'all. God bless y'all. We're
gonna catch y'all next time. Boston H.