80s Fashion with Costume Designer Eilish Zebrasky

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Welcome to the Fabulous Eighties TV Ladiespodcast, where we look at female driven
television shows from the nineteen eighties.So pretty Hello. I'm Sharon Johnson and

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I'm Susan Lambert Hatham. We areso lucky to have the best guests on
our show, Sharon. Our guestshave been fabulous and today is no different.
I want to thank costumer Joyce UnruGoodwin for connecting us with our very
special guest today, costume designer EilishSlabraski. Eilish was Aaron Spelling's head costumer

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for twenty six years. Aaron Spelling, for those who don't know, was
one of television's most successful and prolifictelevision creators. He has two hundred and
eight teen producer and executive producer creditsfrom Love Boat, Art to Heart,
Charlie's Angels, Charmed, Beverly Hills, nine or two, one Oh,
just goes on and on. Fora while, the network ABC was often

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referred to as the Aaron Broadcasting Companybecause of how many huge shows he had
on that network. Welcome, Ilish, We're thrilled to have you with us
today. We're in person. It'salways a special treat. So thank you
for joining us. Oh, you'rewelcome. Thank you for having me.
I am so happy we finally gotto have you on the show and get
to talk about the eighties and costumingand all things Hollywood and fabulousness. So

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tell us about your journey coming toHollywood. Where did you get started?
Okay, I was born in Belfastin Northern Ireland, and when I was
about fourteen, saw a movie ontelevision. Well, I saw a movie
in the theaters. We didn't havethe television when I was fourteen, and
it was pomp Swings Weekend. AfterI saw that movie, I said,

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that's where I want to go.I want to go to Palm Springs,
California. Well, when I waseighteen, I asked my father, no
way, daughter. He said,you're too young. And then when I
became twenty, I still had thisurge to go to America. I'm one
of nine children. My three olderbrothers all went to England, and my

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dad says, well, don't youwant to go to England to be with
your brothers. No, it's America. I have to go to America.
So the day that I was goingto go and book for a holiday camp
in the paper they were wanting tointerview girls to go to America. So
I went to the hotel and Ihad my money for the deposit for my

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vacation. So I went and Imet up with this this it was actually
a German company and they were inbetween Ireland and America. I interviewed with
him and still hadn't told my dad. He had no idea, and he
said that if you want to go, I can get you out of here

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in two weeks for New York.I said, no, has to be
California. Now I didn't know Californiafrom New York. I haven't a clue.
I went home, of course,told Dad and he goes, okay,
Now I know you're okay, andyou still want to go. And
in six weeks I was in America. But now I was sponsored by a

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family. That's what was the terviewfor what was the interview. They were
looking for like governors, you know, governesses and that. So I came
over to this family and they werein to look a lake, not a
bad area, and they were sothey honestly, they couldn't have been nicer.
And they were a Jewish family andI'm you know, Catholic, but

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they were so good to me,and I lived with her after a year,
and I paid her back my feefor the airlines to pay her back.
And then I wanted to go offand get another job, and she
says, great, that's I knewyou weren't going to stay with us forever,
but she said, I'd love youto stay with us. You can

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live. I had my own littlecottage in the back. I had everything,
you know, your my own bedroom, bathroom, closet was incredible,
so I could have my friends overand not be in the main house.
So I had just this great job, and I was across the street almost
from Warner Brothers. Yeah, youwere right in the middle of the students.
I was right there. And thenwhat happened was I started getting I

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went off to do jobs and thatthey didn't work out. I won't even
go into those jobs. Were theyother like nanny governments. They were office
jobs, this and that, andif these if I'd had these jobs,
now I could be a rich lady. I was propositioned by boss twice,
no three times, and I thought, oh god, and I'm only twenty

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I'm only twenty one, so I'mthinking, is this the way it's going
to be if I need a job. So my lady, who I was
living with, she said, elish, my friend is looking for someone to
do baby clothes. Well, Isew, because that's when I worked in
the factory. That's what I did. I made men's jackets and I did

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that for five years, so Ihad good experience in that department. So
I went to work for this ladyand she kept raising my salary every week
because I was fast. Also becausein Ireland we worked on a conveyor belt,
so the more work you did,the more money you made. So
I was always well fast and Imet Tony, my husband. After six

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months, he moved into it wasan apartment. Talked to the lady next
door, who happened to be atWarner brother and he said to her,
do you think you could get mygirlfriend a job at Warner Brothers. She
sews, and she said, letme check into it. Very next I

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got a call from Warner Brothers andthey asked me to start work the next
day. That was on Camelots.Oh my god, movie Camelot and that's
right, and she um. Isaid, wow, they're not even going
to interview me. And she saidto me, uh, do would you

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like to know your salary? Isaid, oh, it doesn't matter,
but it was like four times whatI was making at the little baby shop.
So anyway, I went to workthe next day at Warner Brothers.
Didn't tell the lady who I wasworking for. I just told her a
lie. I said, I hurtmy ankle and I have to take off

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because I wasn't sure if I wasgoing to like Warner Brothers. So I
started in the tailor shop and Iwas working on the clothes for Camelot,
making the peasants close. And thisgentleman who ran the tailorshop. I don't
think he really thought I'm twenty oneyears old. I don't think he really
thought I could do this. Soyou'd hand me a bundle of clothes with

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a sketch and here, and healways had a big cigar hanging out of
his mouth. So I went offand I did it. Come back and
he goes, you finished it already, and I said yeah, So it
had me in another bundle while.By the end of the week, one
of the workers came to me andsaid, you need to slow down.

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You're making us all look bad.Swear to God or you're gonna You're gonna
get us out of work because you'redoing too much. And then the business.
Then when the work was there,you worked, but if it's slowed
down, then they laid you off. And you know, it was that
kind of a job. After sixweeks. Jack Delaney, who was the
head, he used to come downand visit me all the time, didn't

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hurt. He was Irish Jack Delaney. He owned property in the south of
Ireland, so we would chat andthen he asked me, he said,
I'd love to try you in theFinnished end. The finnished end is where
the costumes are and you work actuallyright with the costumes. So he asked
me questions and I suggest to everything, even though I really didn't know.

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But I thought, once I getin there, all they have to do
is show me. I don't figureit out. Because he said, have
you ever died leathers? And Isaid, well, I said, I
think I could do that. Iknow about colors. Well, before you
know it, I'm learning and hereI'm dying and mixing dies. And that
was it. And then I workedwith on that movie. It was John

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Trustcott and I met a lot ofpeople on that movie and so when that
movie was over, then you goon this lady would call me a supervisor
and she said, I liked theway you worked on Camelot, and I'd
love you to come and work withme on this. And from there it

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was just up the ladder. Sowhen I went up to the main department,
I met a lot of people,and then I went on to do
I went and worked at Berman's costumeshop for three and a half years.
And where was that Where that wason Highland and so that wasn't with the
studio, that was with it wasn'twith the studio, but it was still

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connected because we were all under aunion. Okay, so if you were
going to go get costumes from Burman's, they kept it all in the union.
But if he wasn't licensed under ourlocal, then we wouldn't be allowed
to go there and rent. SoI worked there, which was great because

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then I was right away in aunion and right away in a retirement plan
twenty one. That was pretty good. What was what was the job?
As I ran the I was inthere and I worked with this one girl,
Sandy, who I met on Camelot, and she brought me over and
after about a year she got veryill. She had to leave, so

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they put me in charge of theirdepartment. So what we would do is
customers would come and say they're doinga big movie. They would come to
Burman's and it was huge. Theyalso had a place in France, and
they had a place in um London, big, big, The biggest one
is London and that's Angels. It'scalled Angels now. But so they would

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come in. Supervisors, the designerswould come in sometimes and I met cecaply
to mills there. So so ifthey're doing a big movie, my job
was to pull racks of clothes,say from the teen hundreds or the nineteen
twenties or whatever. So I wouldset up racks of clothes for them.

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The designer would come through check themout. These are all great, or
I don't need this and that's andso that was my job. Some of
them would come in and fit.We had a couple of fitting rooms.
They would come in and fit atRock. Hudson come in one time for
a fitting. He was he wasdoing some war movie. I can't remember

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all these names, but we andthen we did shows out of there also,
like theater shows. So um whena star like Rock Hudson comes in
and to be fitted. Were youthe one fitting them? Dealing with them?
That was the men's department, Yeah, that was the separate So I
worked there for three and a halfyears on almost four till mister Burman he

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was selling, you know, hewas getting up there, so he did.
He was closing the company. Sowe closed the company and just before
somebody come in, a supervisor,Edna Taylor, and she said, Eilish,
I'd like you because you meet themcoming in, you know, they
come in and went over three years, you get to be friends with them.

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And I had been asked before ifI would come and work for them,
but I liked being where I was, and so I waited till I
could no longer and I had toleave. So she asked me what she
wanted to do. She wanted meto work with her, and my first
real movie on by myself, notdoing the costume. So working on the

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set was Butterflies Are Free and thatwas with Goldie Han and Eddie Albert Junior
and Eileen Heckart. That was thatwas a fun. That was fun.
So that's how that's how you started. That's how I started. And I
worked with the gentleman on the showwith Seth Banks, Seth became like my
brother, protecting me. And thenSeth was very popular in the business.

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So Seth went onto another movie,took me with him, and then took
me with them. And that's howit worked. That's how it worked.
And what was your job on set? When I would take care of all
the lady stars, Like when Idid Goldie, I had to just take
care of Goldie and Eileen heck Gardenand Seth took care of the men.
That was an easy show. Andthen I did another show was Seth Oklahoma

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crewed. That was Faye down Awayand Joge c Scott and I took care
of mainly Faye. Believe me,she was one person one. I had
to take care of Faye, butwe got a loong greade. I got
a long greade with her. Sothen after then I worked on two movies,

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Barbara Streisen movies Funny Girl. Sethalso did that Funny Girl and Funny
Lady. I did both of thoseshows, but mainly on the set I
wasn't doing except one day we hada Bob Mackie was the designer and Iron
Sheriff did the first one she did. The first one was funny girl,

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right, funny lady, Bob didand Ben go what's his name? Ben
Vereen. Ben was doing this danceand we're all sitting there down in the
audience. He's up on stage andhe throws his leg up over the chair
and his pants ripped from seemed tosay, and the director started screaming in

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Halloween. Well, luckily I cansew. So we got Seth Banks,
my friend. I said, Seth, get me. They're white pants.
I said, get me a Tshirt. And I got a T shirt.
Because they had to finish the scene. We were all sitting around and
I put a triangle in Ben's pantsand said Bob Mackey was able to make

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him another pair, but they weren'tstretched. It should have been stretching material.
But you know, we learned aswe go along. Oh my god,
so you fixed Ben Vereen. Funnylady, Funny lady. I'm out.
That's fantastic. Yeah. I getall over the place when I talk.

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After that, I was working.I didn't know the move with Faye
Towering Inferno and so and Paul Newmanran, Paul, I met Paul,
I met taua. Oh, SteveMcQueen, Robert Wag. I mean there
were so many stars on that inthat one, but I was you were

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there out there, but once Fayegot there, I wasn't. She didn't
want me near anybody else. Ihad to be with her. Yeah,
So forgive my naive tape, Butit sounds like what your job was to
make sure that their their costs,to get them in their costume, get
and make sure it's fitted properly andmake sure that and I had to.
You know, you have somebody sofor you because the costumers should I allowed

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to do that and make sure shehad the right earrings on with this outfit.
So when I lined her right fitsup for the day, it was
the outfit, the shoes, thepantyhose, different bras for different outfits,
the jewel And that was my job. But sometimes I was on a show
or I had eight women to takecare of and you did the same thing

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you just the night before. Iused to try and do. And then
you make sure that that in theif it just needs a little spot cleaning,
I would do it rather than sendit out. And that was my
job. And so can you canyou walk us through for because because not
everybody knows the costume credits, right, Can you walk us through costume credits

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in movies and television wardroom supervisor versusassistant costumers. Yes, the top of
the course is the designer, that'sthe designer of the picture. And then
under the designer usually the supervisor.The designer usually doesn't bother with the other
staff, like the male costumer who'son this set, or sometimes we need

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two or three, even her bigpictures, we'll have three, and a
lot of time actors like a malestar with them rather than a woman goes.
You're in there getting them dressed,and then they would have the woman
costumer. But usually it's just onesupervisor under the designer, and that's hard
goes. However, many costumers youneed exactly and then on big days I

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used to hire. Once I gotto Aaron, I would make sure there
was day day workers, like maybeI only need you three days a week,
and I try and give that girlher three days because it makes a
difference with their union. Okay,so that that is helpful. So at
the time you were a costumer doingthe costumer job, yes, on the

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set set or you could say setcostumer, but they usually just say costumers.
Everybody wants their titles changed, right, everybody wants a proper title.
I assume you were enjoying this.Oh, it was the greatest job.
I loved it and my I meanI would get up the crack of dawn

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four thirty every morning. Sometimes Ihad to be on the set at five
thirty. I mean that part wasthe hardest part. But when I was
young, so it didn't matter.Sometimes I'd get up at three thirty because
I had to be at MGM atfive to set up the costumes. You
know, when I was doing BarberStreisen's movies, loads of dancers, so

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I would have to get all thosedancers all set up. That's amazing.
That's amazing. And so when youwere so and you were in the Iazza
Union is the yes, okay?And so when you were doing these shows,
like are you sent from show toshow or is it just you were
following the designer? You would Iwould have to be say I was hired,

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say to do a funny girl.So I'm hired from in the beginning
of this show, and I workedthrough the end of that show. Okay.
So because you get familiar with everyone, they get familiar with you,
and I'm familiar with the constume.So no, you're on there. So
you're hired for the four months.And it's such a personal thing, someone

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helping you get dressed. I meanyou're in there with them and you're doing
bras or you're fixed. I mean, it is, it is, and
some of them, most of themare not me. We're all women,
you know. I mean, I'veeven when I started organ for Aaron.
By then I was a designer andI had to start pulling the kids.
The younger kids would come in andI'm in the room and the boy would

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say, eilish and I have nounderwear on. I'm okay with that if
you are. I said, no, I'm not okay with it, because
number one, these are all newclothes from wherever, Niman, Marcus or
Sacks. You cannot try pants onwith no wonder where. I said,
that's I can't do that. SoI said, don't you move till I

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get you underwear. So I wouldhave to go out and bring him back
up. He goes and he wasthereafter though. He always came with underwear.
I listen to teach you, whenup show up an underwear, better
have underwear because I wouldn't let themtry to close on, you know,
just for sanitary reasons. So yeah, that was funny. Oh my gosh.

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All right, so you're you're workingmovies. What was what was the
most exciting I mean movie or startto work with or you know what?
What was my I loved it whenyou know, I was working at Columbia
and I was working with Grady Huntat the time. I was his assistant.
But and I just we'd had ourson. Our son was about six

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months old, and Grady called meand he goes, eilish, I would
love because I worked with Grady beforedoing movies the weeks and what have you,
And he said, I'd love youif you would work with me as
my assistant and oversee all the shows. That was my dream and that was
and and he what shows was wereyou doing? Then? We were doing
a police Story, Police Woman,Fantasy Island. What other shows are we

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do? And then I can't doThose are the ones that I remember.
But I would oversee all those showsand make sure, like I would still
do Police Story, buy the clothesfor that Fantasy Island that one I did.
I would shop all the clothes.Did you come up with the suits.
Yes, oh the white suits.Sits no, that because they'd already

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done a Fantasy Island years before,and and that's and that was Aaron's show,
right, So here I am andI working out Colombia. But Fantasy
Island was Aaron Spelling show. That'show I got connected to Aaron Spelling Fantasy.
There was another dear dear friend ofmine, Nola Miller. I met
him one time on Anessey Island.It was November freezing, called Ava go

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Boar early in the morning. Iget a phone call. Because I always
made sure I got to the studioearly. I said I could never be
home and get a call that theactress is unhappy. So I get a
call and my set girl said,Eilish misska bars i'd fit, isn't work
in it doesn't fit her. AndI get in my cart and get down

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to the set. It was overcast, it was a horrible day. And
at six third in the morning,and here's this gorgeous sixty four sixty five
man, Nolan Miller, and hesaid, I am so so and he
had this navy trench coat on.He said, I'm so sorry. I'm
so sorry. I said don't worry, mister Miller. And the reason Nolan

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was doing her clothes is because Nolanwas in her contract. So whatever Ava
did, Nolan had to do herclothes. Like when she did what was
one she did about the phone,armors and greens. Nolan did all her
clothes. Wow, that was thatwas her deal. So I said it
and he was so he said,I'm so embarrassed that Aaron asked me to

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do her clothes when you're capable ofI said no, honestly, thank God,
I don't have an ego. Ijust want to work and everybody get
along. So I took I wentin there and she was and then she
was sick. She was coughing,she had a cold. So I did
I fit her because my fitter wasn'tin yet. So I put some pins

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because I could sell. It wasa cowgirl outfit, a little short minis
skirt and a whole bit. SoI took it up to the shop.
The girl was there by then gotto fix him back, put it on
her. End of story. Thatwas it. There was no problem.
Cameras weren't held up. So misterMiller caught me that day and he goes,
God, he said that was I'mso impressed the way you handle that.

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He said, because people would scream. The other people would have yelled
at me, and I didn't getit. So he did say to me
then he said, if you everwant to come and work for Aaron Spelling,
because Nolan was already friends with AaronSpelling doing Aaron's shows. So I
said, now I'm good where Iam. Then we did another big costume

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show. I mean, we hadhundreds of Fantasy Island dress up costumes.
So I went to three different placesand got pulled all the costumes out,
and Nolan goes, I don't evenknow why I'm checking these, but Aaron
asked me to come and look atthem. I said, fine, don't
worry about it. But he wasembarrassed because you were sort of that was

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your job, but he had toAaron had wanted him to come lookcause Aaron
doesn't know me, right, Sobut I told Nolan, I said,
Nolan, it's okay, mister Miller. I called him. Then later on
he called me and he said,I really really would love you to come
and work for Aaron Spelling. Hesaid, you know we could use you

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over there. I said, no, I'm not really interested. What happened
was there was a movie of theweek and we had women producers, three
women, and they all had theirown idea how the four ladies should be
dressed. And it's a secretary.I can't even remember the name of it.
And I said show TV. SoI said show No, wasn't that

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one, okay, But it wasabout the office. And they were telling
me I dressed this actress this way, and I'd love this look for her.
And I said, okay, butyou know these certain looks aren't going
to look good on her body.You dress a body, you don't you
know the character, Yes, butyou still got to work out the body.

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So I went ahead. I shoppedfor days and fit them and did
the whole work. Well. Whenthe three producers saw it, they go,
eilish, we don't like these atall. I said, really,
I said, neither, or dohigh, But this is what you wanted.
Grady Hunt was not in the picture. Although Grady always got the credit,

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I was never on the credit.It was always Grady. That's the
way the business ran in those days. So then I went out and so
they said, okay, you dressedthe girls. Whatever you think. I
said, they're secretaries. It's notlike they're big important, you know.
So I went out, got theladies all dressed. They had like five
changes. Each show went great,it was happy. Then they were doing

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the premiere off it at a theater, so I went there and I was
so excited because I really thought,I'm getting credit on this one. After
all my work, no credit none. I was so upset. Remember,
I went to home and I wasOh, I was fuming online. I
couldn't sleep, so and end thework next morning, and I Grady because

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we always got there at six orsix thirty. I said, Grady,
I have to let you know I'mvery angry today. And it's I said,
I didn't even get credit on that, and you know her hard I
worked. So I was furious.So he said, Alish, I'm sorry,
and he couldn't and I was on. I wasn't a salary. I

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the hours that I worked you gotpaid for. And Grady would say to
me, we'll just add more hours. I said, I've already got twenty
four hours on a day's slip.I can't add anymore. So because he
was afraid, unfortunately ask for raise, So I called mister Miller, that
day and I said, Nolan,is that offer still open? And he

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said yes, are you serious?And I went for an interview and that
was it. And when we wereat the rap party for Fantasy Island,
Aaron Spelling made a comment on thisstage. He said, I know I'm
taking away one of your people,but she's coming to work over at my

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studio. Now that was me.So I met him. His secretary come
over and she said, mister Spellingwould like to meet you. So I
went out to the lobby and therewas Aaron, oh so sweet, put
his arms around me, and Iwent to work for Aaron Spelling. I
went for an interview and they askedme, of course my salary, and

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I give him a figure which Ishould have tripled. I was gonna say,
so did you did you bump itup at least a little bit from
where you dumped it up doubled,but they didn't. They said, okay,
we can. That's that's wow,And that's when you know, like
I knew, right, I said, darn it, but I'm not a
greedy person, so I didn't wantto sound ridiculous. But then shortly after

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that they did give me another threefour hundred dollars a week more. Once
I started running the department, settingit up, and I was gonna say,
so, when did you end upheadcast? As soon as I went
over there, that way the job. I was going to be the head
of Aaron Spelling's wardrobe. Now thehead of the wardrobe. They still had
a gentleman there who was running it. But you know, he was an

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older gentleman. And the unit managerwho interviewed me he had he did call
me and he said, Eilish,I have a difficult time firing this person.
I said, I'm happy with that. Led him, I don't want
hibody to lose their job. Isaid, I'm happy with that. But
he did say, but you haveto make all the rules, because Aaron

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didn't want this gentleman making any morerules. But Aaron didn't know that this
guy was still working. So afterthey found out, like a couple of
months later, he got fired.And that's when I got my four hundred
more a week. But I feltbad losing his job. But I went
in and they built a whole newdepartment. I told him what I needed

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and the colors, and they leftme go shopping for furniture and the first
one to comment was on Charlie's angeland where where was it? Where was
this Fox studio? At Fox Studios? Okay? And I remember Jacqueline Smith
come in for her first fitting forCharlie for Charlie's Angels, and Aaron come

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over, of course to see her. And she said to Aaron, wow,
look at her. Fancy. Thisis because before what the girls would
fit in that? It was reallypretty tacky. It was like our closet.
And I said, oh god,this, I said, you fit
actresses in this? It was horrible. So they give me stretches of ground
to work with and I built thewardrobe department. Sounds like quite a dream

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job. It was, oh mygoodness, honestly, like on Sundays,
I couldn't wait for Monday. Honestly, I loved it on Sundays, I
couldn't wait for Mondays. And weshould all have that dream job on Sundays.
So Melissa had a question about whatyour local your union local number is?
Do you don't know? Oh god, I madden, I'm still it

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was seven oh five. That wasthe customer. And then the designers get
a little good it's a different one. Okay, what's that usual for a
producer like Aaron Spelling to have hisown wardrobe department. Have somebody like you
that that handled wardrobe or was thatsort of outside of It was kind of
outside because if you because Fox Studiohad their own wardrobe department, but Aaron

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Spelling was in Fox, but hekept it separate and Warner Brothers. No
matter what movie comes in, you'llyou all have to work out of Warner
Brothers. Or if you look atMGM, So Aaron was totally separate.
He had it was his company.Oh, it's fantastic. It was his
company. And he was like itwas he already the king? Or was

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he ascending? He was? Hewas there. I mean at this point
now when I worked and I wentto work for him, he was doing
um, Charlie's Angels Love Boaties.He was doing that. Yes, he
was doing the one with the HeatherLocklear was at the rook. He was
doing that. I'm glad you girlsremember, but that one was already Farm

(32:20):
died also, it was they weredoing that somewhere else. We were also
doing um, oh the Three Guys, Terrible the guys and then they had
the blonde girl lipped in. Yes, that one. What was that show,
was it the Mod Squad? ModSquad? Okay, so Karen had

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going and then when I started andthen we were doing he just started Vegas,
so that was brand new for me. Oh so the TV show,
yes, yes, so And whenI went for this interview, I did
tell Norm Henry, who was kindof my boss, I said, I'm

(33:06):
not going to come over to Aaron'sbelling and run a department unless I get
to do some shows, because that'swhat I wanted. He says, well,
how are you going to run adepartment and work on shows? I
said, I'll do it, andif I can't, then so I did
it. And what I did wasI hired people that I knew their work,

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and I put them on shows andthey were the supervisors, but I
would over see them. I didall their budgets for much money they were
allowed. I would have to go. If we had five, six,
seven shows, I had to goto every single meeting. And Aaron had
a great thing. He went Hedid a concept show where all the department

(33:49):
heads would get together, so allyour ideas were together. Set director,
the designer of the wardrobe, thedesigner of the sets, and then there
was never any like he's going topaint the walls yellow. Say, well,
I better make sure I don't haveanybody in yellow, otherwise they're going
to fade into So those were allthe things that I I learned so much

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when I went to spelling. Ireally did, because he had an incredible
mind. I remember one time wesat through three meetings together. Everybody even
died, but Aaron and I stayedthere because we were He never opened a
book, and we would go fromthis show, Did that show? Did

(34:35):
that show? And the guy thatsomebody would say, oh, well,
that's when they get up and they'regoing to jump out the window. Aaron
goes, no, they don't jumpat the window, and he would sit
in a nice manner, and theguy goes and he's the writer, and
Aaron would go, he doesn't jumpout the window. And he never He
hasn't opened that book. An incrediblememory. He could keep it on all

(34:59):
the show, and he always thoughtabout it's all about the look. And
also he always thought about the peoplein the Midwest. And here he goes,
well, no, we can't dothat, guys, because what are
the people in the Midwest know aboutblah blah blah whatever. The situation.
So we always did shows that everyonecould relate to. And that was one

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thing I did notice about our shows. That's amazing. And so of those
shows, what would make you picka show that you wanted. I really
loved doing Hotel. I did thatfor five years, and of course Connie
and I, Connie Salek and I, you know, became good friends that
I spent so much time with her. I was even at her wedding.

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But that was a good show.And what I loved about it we had
guest stars every week like love Boat, and that's a fun so you're not
stuck with the same ten people.You've got your principles and then you had
like six guest stars every show.You have special guests around was that was
my favorite. That's where you know, we had Elizabeth Taylor, we had

(36:05):
um Lana Turner. Those were thegreat, the great times because and then
Love Boat. Everybody wanted to doLove Boat, so you know, especially
the ones that went to Europe,so they were they actually, oh yes,
if they were going to like theywent to Egypt, they went on

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a boat on the ship and goodover the Oh yeah, they were real
and I remember getting it was sofunny one show Linda Evans was doing,
and who's the other one that wasmarried to John Derek not not Bow the
first one, thank you. Idon't know why Ursula. And she was

(36:53):
so funny because before our fitting,she went shopping in Beverly Hills because she
didn't didn't of here, and she'dsee some things and she'd go, oh,
could you leave these for Eilish.Well in the Beverly Hills, I
shopped it every store you could thinkof. So she said, Eileish,
You're a good name to know.I just said, oh, just let

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leave it for Ilish And they werelike, yes, so they but so
that would They were going to China, so the rules and regulations no red,
they couldn't have any genes or Imean, they were so strict and
God forbid because of the rules instrict in China. Yes, they had

(37:36):
to. It was such a Imean I had lists and lists of things
that you cannot do. Wow.Yeah, So that was interested. So
you learn a lot. I amstill wrapping my head around the fact that
it just never occurred to me thatfor the Love Boat they actually shot those
on active cruises going places and comingback from Now a lot of it.

(37:59):
Of course sol on stage. Imean you go on stage and there's the
pool and there's the rest. Okay, But I'm talking about the big shows
like China. They went to umJapan, they went to um Alaska.
As a matter of fact, onthat Alaskan show, I you know,
we got to make sure there andwe had to box it up and keep

(38:21):
track of everything, and we sentit off and then I get a phone
called Eilish. It's freezing. Wedon't have enough warm clothes. We've got
to get some fur coats. Somy friend and I went downtown and I
bought about twenty fake for coats.They were like fifty dollars each, but
they used them on the show.Oh my god. I now I wanted

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to track down the Alaska. Yeah, the Alaskan, but any of those
that went into certain countries, theywere real. That's why people like Linda
Evans would do those shows. Whowas the other one, Shelley Winter.
They wouldn't do just a regular lightboat but if they were going into another

(39:04):
country, because you know that's expensive. I did the Valentine show, but
that just went to where they allgo, oh the port. Yes,
they went to those plays. Butthe ones to Europe. I never I
always would send, you know,people who I really felt could handle it
and do it. And because I'mnot there, yeah, you have to

(39:28):
make sure it's gonna work. Yeah, those would have to be I would
imagine those could be tough because,as evidenced by the lack of coats,
you may forget there, don't havesomething. It turns out you absolutely need,
you need it. We thought wewere covered, but they said,
no, get us some of thosefake. The producer goal and said,
just get us some fake fur coats. So that's what I did, and
yes they used them. But onthe shows we went over lists and lists.

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You know, we really were andthank god, we were pretty pretty
fortunate. We never really nothing evergot lost or stolen, and that was
That's always the case. When Iwas doing Butterflies Are Free, I went
that morning because it went on forfour months and Goldie only had one oefit

(40:14):
basically bras and panties, and Iwent to the line seven o'clock on the
morning to pick it up. Wellthat wasn't there, so her blouse was
missing and her underwear was missing.Oh and this was a big feature film
then it was two and a halfmillion, which was a lot of money
back in the sixties. And butwhat it was somebody I know that somebody

(40:38):
else was doing a commercial and theirwardrobe got stolen. But what so do
you think people took Goldie Hans underwearbecause it was Goldie Hans underwear or they
just wanted them. They just tookit. I have no idea. They
just took it. And it wasthis lady that we had in the evening.
She would come in late, likesix o'clock and she would do hand

(41:00):
washing, like if somebody had aspecial bra which we didn't send to the
cleaners. Are their pantyhos nylons?That was all hand washed every single night.
Wow. So Goldie's blouse and herunderwear was missing. So I sat

(41:21):
among with the ladies in the workroom, but I had to be on the
set and we crossed stitched. Ifyou ever see the show, the blouse
is a red like a Mexican blouse, and so I sat and cross stitched
those flowers. Oh my goodness,because you had to replace it. I
had to replace it. But theworkroom they were doing their part also.

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I was just helping because we onlyhad a week to do it. Oh
my gosh. Before we went toSan Francisco. But oh, I remember,
I was never so upset in mylife. I said, that's it.
I'm walking out that door. Iwas so scared, but you know,
there's not an The director came tome and he goes eyelish, what
the effie is supposed to do?Bring her clothes home and sleep with them?

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That's pretty sad. But I justwas. It's the first time I've
ever experienced anything, and it scaredme. Scared me because then you start
doubting yourself. God did I youknow? So I know Barbara Eden was
done a commercial and they stole herwestern shirt. That was another thing that

(42:28):
was missing that same morning. Sothen I felt better when somebody sure,
it's not just me, It wasn'tme. And on that note, let's
take a break and we're back.Oh my gosh. So you stayed with
Aaron Spelling for twenty six years.Twenty six years unheard of. Nobody has

(42:54):
a job at his studio for thatlong. But I loved it before.
And then what happened was over theyears he went public and then of course
everybody comes in, it gets opinions, and so it did change and then
I did it was still spelling,but not big like it was. I

(43:15):
did the second Love Boat with RobertJurich, and I wasn't really a department
head anymore, but I was stilldoing Aaron shows because there was no department
anymore. And then after that Idid It was a movie, and it
was a remake of a movie,and Kate Jackson was in it. Kate

(43:37):
Jackson was I know what it is? It was the like the Girls' School.
Yes, yes, I know.Oh man, okay, I'm gonna
you know what it is I do. But the funny thing was I got
to dress Kate Jackson because when Iwent on charm or when I went Charlie's
Angels, they had fired Kate Jackson, and I thought, because oh the

(44:01):
stories that I heard about Kate Jackson. But I got to meet her on
that other show, and she wasso sweet. She goes, oh,
I wish you'd had done Charlie's Angelsin the beginning. And also I got
to meet Farah Fawcett, who alsodidn't want to do anymore. And Farah
I also had worked with Farah azillion years ago on Harry Oh, oh

(44:25):
my goodness, yeah, yeah,so it was really kind of that was
called Harry. Oh, but Iloved Farah. But she was a girl.
You could put anything on her andit looked good. It was great.
Satan's Schools for Girls. Yes,that's it. That's for Kate Jackson.
So I did. Yeah, andwho else was in a door s?

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Jannon played Kate's part. So that'swhen I met Shannon. And then
when Charm came around, there wassomebody on it for I think this one
particular designer did it for two yearsand then wanted to switch designers. And
that's when I got the job.And I did it for seven years.
Wow, oh my goodness. Yeah, seven years. So you don't get

(45:12):
bored. You stay it to day. I remember, I get bored,
and I you know, I'm alwaysI've always been that person. I love
going to that job every day thesame because our business, you know,
you could be working on this threemonths and then you're off to Europe on
the next moving you're off here.And I like stability. I'm a very

(45:35):
I really love stability. All right, can you tell us a little bit
Because you're working for Aaron Spelling,but somehow you end up being a customer
for Angela Lansbury and that's not aspelling show. No, Angela was not
a spelling show. Someone. Angelawould change designers pretty much every and her
show went for what eleven years?She wrote, yes, so she would

(45:58):
change, change, change, AndI guess this one unit manager who used
to work for Aaron mentioned Angela,why you should try this girl Eilish and
didn't hurt. Angela's mom was bornin Belfast, and I'm in Belfast,
so a little Irish mafia girl thereis something going on. All you have
to do is say you're Irish,and so I apparently I couldn't do that

(46:22):
because you know, so I apparentlyAngela called Aaron Spelling and she said,
I know it's not her, werun things, but you know, I'd
really love to meet this girl Eilish. And if she could do just my
clothes. I don't want her todo the whole show because that would take
too much time away because I alreadyhad my own shows with spelling, but

(46:44):
if she could just do my clothes. So I went one lunchtime and met
Angela Lansberry. Gotcha was so lovelyand we just clicked and hit it and
that was it, and I workedwith. I did the last four seasons,
and then I did a couple ofher specials that she had. You

(47:05):
know, should do those. ButAngela was She had a beautiful setup,
you know, our own fitting roomwith the kitchen, and it was all
just for Angela. And I wouldgo in there. She'd just stay and
have lunch, you know, andI would sit there and do my work
sometimes, you know, paperwork.But I started bringing her things in and

(47:28):
she so funny. She'd look atthe tag eilish this jackets eight hundred dollars.
I said, I know, Isaid, but look at it.
She was shocked because I said,okay, so the jackets eight hundred,
so we're going to use slacks withit that you already have in your closet.
We already have the blouse, sowe're only spending eight hundred dollars.

(47:49):
So I had to talk Angela into allowing me to bring her in more
expensive clothes. And was that forher, Angela or was that for the
character char the character would not thecharacter. Yeah, but Angela just didn't
want to spend that kind of money. She was so funny. I just
wanted to, you know, I'mstill within my budget because they allowed me

(48:09):
so much money for clothes, SoAngela didn't want to spend that kind of
money for the show. Or Angeladidn't want to spend that kind of money
because she's like, my character wouldnever wear an eight hundred dollars jacket.
Well, probably not, but youknow, some of those eight hundred dollars
jackets look like you could still buyit at Target. Right if you press
it and put the proper buttons on, you still got an eight hundred dollars

(48:30):
looking jacket. But Angela just wasvery she didn't want to spend a lot
of money. But what I lovedabout Angela I should come on the set
in the morning because I was alwaysthere so early. She'd walk through,
Hi, John, how's the kids? Hi Paul. She knew everybody on
that show was amazing. She didlovely Christmas parties for everybody and gifts and

(48:55):
they were so lovely to work with. That is amazing, super door Like
I would go over in the afternoon, She's come over and the after like
a round four o'clock and I said, okay, and I'd get my job
done with spelling. So it wasluckily she was at Universal, which was
close to my house. So itwas all worked out well. And I'd
stop in and she had a breakand she'd say to me, would you

(49:17):
like a cuppa? I said,oh, I'd love a couple. I
said, I'll make it. She'sno, you sit, I'll make it.
She couldn't make the tea. AngelaLandsburg would make you a cuppa cuppa
she was, and then she shouldbring up she's hard about it, Dickie.
Dickie was a biscuit. Oh yeah, she was realized she was so

(49:39):
sweet. That she was so sweetbecause she said, you work so hard
and you're running back and forth.So I appreciate it that she appreciated that
is amazing and that Aaron Spelling eventhough Murder she wrote was not an Aaron
Spelling show, it had nothing todo with him, nothing, but he
allowed me because of Angela. WhenAngela, if you want to get away

(50:01):
with something, get away with murder. If you want to get away with
murder, you get Angela land tocall a Baron Spelling. Yeah, and
it never we never crossed over,never interfered. It just was so easy.
And like when I'd leave my housein the morning, I'd stop if
Angela had an early call, universalwas on my way, and then I'd

(50:22):
go over wherever we were at thetime. We were all over the place.
All right, so'd your husband Tony'sin the room. Time was she
ever home during this time? It'sfirst I've ever seen it. Yeah,
I worked hours, what the cooking, and it was fabulous. So your

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husband managed the household to take careof our sons, ball games, everything
he had to go to. Evensometimes I'd try and make the ball games
and I'd have on my high heelsand a little skirt and I yanked that
skirt up and climb into the breechesso I could win eve down to my
son because he thought, oh,there's my mom. She made it.

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I tried so hard, but itwas but Tony took care of everything.
I wish it was going to bean interviewed and they asked, what type
of job is your husband have?And she said, oh, he just
has an average job. And sowhen I got back to work, the
people would say, oh, thereit comes Joe average, Joe average.

(51:24):
For the rest of the time thatI worked there, that okay, thank
you for sharing that, And itwas like, oh, I didn't mean
it that way, but you knowhow they are these writers. That was
People magazine when I did that one, because I admit another thing got me
in trouble. I'd made a comment. This is when Aaron went public.

(51:45):
I said, oh, I lovemy job because you go out and you
shop and it doesn't cost me anymoney. I just made a fun statement.
Well, Nolan Miller said, Ilish, Aaron is so mad at you
because you made that statement. Butit was a cute statement. I just
said, you know, I mightspending money, but it doesn't come out

(52:05):
of my pocket. So I satdown and I wrote Aaron Spelling a letter
and I said, Aaron, youof all people, know how things are
taken out of context. So hewas happy. He called and said he
was fine with it. But it'sjust how it's written, you know,
when people put things that you haveto be. So when I was doing

(52:28):
Angels, I would get a calland that I'd be on the phone with
an interview of for about fifteen minutes. Then right away it was okay,
Now, Eilish tell us the realgossip, what happens with the girls?
Well, nothing happened, and evenif it did, I'm going to tell
them and get fired. No,you don't. Yeah, I'm not into

(52:50):
that. But the girls they allgot along. Grade we know. We
talk a lot about how sometimes womenget a reputation that that maybe they don't
deserve because they're held to a differentstandard than men are. There's nobody ever
going, hey, those two guysare in a show together. They must
I bet they don't get along likethey're not. You're not looking for trouble

(53:12):
when it's two guys on a showtogether, you know. But they love
to do the gossip and that onthose ladies, I think. But I
didn't see that. I mean theangels they all got seemed to get along.
Actually I saw Kate Jackson, notKate Jackson. Jacqueline, Jacqueline a
wild back, still looks so gorgeous, looks amazing. She looks better than

(53:35):
she did. She still has hercostumes, her fashion does. She does
the fashion line and she also doesthe Calical Corners, the fabrics. Oh
the fact, if you go toCalical Corner, I said, there's uh
Jacqueline doing. Yeah, exquisite tasteshe really has. But she and sure
a lad are still best friends.Yeah, so yeah, I think I

(53:58):
think again, people like to stirthat trouble, particularly when it comes to
women when they're writing and trying tosell magazines. That's what sells. Yeah,
it's the right. Yeah, butespecially in shows where the characters have
a certain relationship for some reason,they try to put that on women actors
that they're supposed to be like theircharacters, where it's a job. They

(54:21):
come in, they play a part, they go home, you know,
like if there they've got a familyto go home too, and it's a
job. Yeah, that's nothing wrongwith that. No. I remember one
time I had said to Angela.So, I said, so, Angela,
when you and Peter go home,because her husband was the executive producer
and he was there with her.Oh, so devoted to each other.

(54:42):
So I said, when you gohome, you have someone and your meals
already for you. She does no, she said, Peter and I go
home. I mean, she's Angelalands Verry. She's no. She said,
I'll make the salad and Peter willeither grill a piece of chicken her
fish. She said no. Shesaid, do you have your meals cooked
for you? I said, yeah, I have my husband. He has

(55:04):
my dinner and my glass of winealready for me. Oh my gosh,
that is amazing. Now we're gonnajump ahead a little bit. We're gonna
jump into the Marvel universe because youyou're credited on that. I've no idea,
I swear to god, I don'tknow where that came from. That
worked on But it's another Ilish.There's another Ilish. Yeah, but not

(55:28):
another Ilish Nebraska. No, butI tried, said, Tony, you
just showed that to me love yesterday. No, that's not me, that's
not you. Worked on Spider ManAvengers. My son would be over the
moon if I did. But no, mom, those are all big features.
No, I don't know. Butit said she was an assistant costumer.

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Okay, so I don't know whythey and her name was Ilish and
its spelled the same way as mine. All right, well, we're gonna
have to I don't We're gonna haveto go here. We're gonna have to
be I remember when I got toget Angela Lansbury on it. She'll figure
it out. I do want totalk about some of the favorite actresses or
moments that you've had with some ofyour favorite actresses, and I know one

(56:14):
of them, as with Elizabeth Taylor. Elizabeth was she did one of our
hotels and Nolan, of course,Nolan Miller did her clothes and they were
really close, close friends. Andafter this was after I met her on
a hotel. But then years laterit was her seventy fifth birthday party.

(56:37):
So Nolan made her two gowns forher to choose. And then she had
gotten you know, she was havingproblems with her back, and so Nolan
wanted me to come with them tohelp get her dressed, you know,
and they're certain brawl and everything.And while we were there, she has
amazing setup. She had this fabulousbig room. It's like a dressing room,
but there was a sync there forlike a type sink to have her

(57:00):
hair done. And she had thiscloset and she said to her assistant,
I think his name is Tim.Tim, take Eilish in and show her
my jewelry. She was like alittle girl with her jewelry and she was
playing with these ear rings. Theyhad to be about three inches. There

(57:21):
was one hundred and forty diamonds ineach earring and she called it the waterfall.
Okay, yes, she goes here, try them on. But anyway,
I went into this closet. Heopens it up and it was probably
longer than this area, and itwas drawer after drawer and I opened up

(57:43):
the drawer and it was just soliddiamonds. And I said to him,
these all real, every single piece. She said, Lize does not have
any fake jewelry. But it waslike there must have been forty drawers and
four left was down. Wow.And he said, this isn't the big

(58:04):
stuff that's locked in a vault somewhere. But I mean I took out He
says, touch, sh do whateveryou want. Try it on. I
took out a crucifix and it wasdiamonds, and then in the center,
about the size of my little finger, it was an emerald. I said,

(58:25):
this is real. I mean you'retalking millions, but it was laying
in a drawer. Wow. Itsounds like the most incredible jewelry shop that
one could ever walk into. Itwas unbelievable. And she was so sweet,
so sweet, and in her dressingair was so cute. There was

(58:45):
a picture of her Elizabeth giving RichardBurton. She was cutting his hair in
this photograph. I said, Isaid, oh, miss Taylor, you
cut hair. She goes, oh, yeah, I used to cut.
That was so cute. Because becauseI cut Tonies hair, so I was
fascinated when I saw her cutting hair. But what is it about eighties fashion?

(59:07):
Do you think that is so resonant? Like I think it's still fascinating
to people. The eighties fashion,Well, you know, if you think
about it, the for the thirtiesand forties, they were still fashionable,
and then the forties might have changeda bit, and that maybe had to
do because of the war and everythingfifties was not. I don't think that
a lot cool sixties was a mixtureof what in the seventies. We kind

(59:31):
of lost those and it was thehippies, and then come the eighties,
and I think the eighties turned everythingaround and we got all more glamorous,
whereas we didn't have that glamor inthe seventies. Yes, some people did,
but I think the eighties became bigger. And then there are other shows

(59:52):
besides. I think Dynasty was probablythe most glamorous of all shows. But
we also spent a four I meanforty thousand an episode on Close Wow in
the eighties. In the eighties,that's a big but that was on heard
of. But Aaron was whatever theyneed for the his thing was the image

(01:00:15):
on that screen, and if theycomplained about Aaron would say, well,
maybe don't do a dinner scene soyou'll save on that. It has to
go into the costumes. He wasso big on that and in our show.
And then I think what I mean, people used to get together,
if you remember, they'd get togetheror on whatever night Dynasty was on and

(01:00:37):
then dress up hats on. Ladiesdid that to the show together? Watching
parties in the eighties for Dynasty.Yes, I did try to watch the
new one and I thought, oh, there's now Jane Callings. There's only
one. There's only one Joane,I mean realized And was it fun to

(01:01:00):
work with those ladies? Yeah?She was great. She was another great
friend of Nolan Miller's. Joan wasjust that was her and she was so
glamorous when she A friend of minespent some time with her in Europe and
sent me pictures and even just sittingaround lounging, Joan look gorgeous, makeup

(01:01:22):
beautiful. So did they get tokeep the clothes that they wore in the
show? No, what happened?It was a good question when I went
over there, what Aaron Spelling wasdoing at the end of the season,
the three Charlie's Angels or what othershow they had come up with a big
truck or a van and clean everythingout. They took everything. So I

(01:01:46):
had a meeting with Norman Henry becauseI had no clothes left, like for
extras, throw a little T shirton an extra so you don't have to
go buy clothes for extras. Ineeded the extra stock, nothing that would
be recognizable. And so I wentto Norm and I said, Norm,
I said, you know, wouldyou do you think Aaron would go for

(01:02:07):
if the actors wanted their clothes,they should pay for them. And he
goes, oh, Aaron would nevergo for that. I said, why
not? Like what a guest comeson love Boat. They have five outfits,
gorgeous, they're fitted to your body, to a t I would pay
half price. I said, justgive it to them for half price.

(01:02:29):
So if that outfit is four hundreddollars, they'll get it for two hundred.
Do you know that never had aqualm? And they did. They
bought their clothes. So he didallow it. He did allow it.
He did allow it, and itworked and they and even at the end
of Charlie's Angels, each season.The girls would come up and go through

(01:02:50):
their racks and put a rack andI would go through it or have one
of the assistants do it. Getit all priced together. Sometimes it was
seven thousand and twenty thousand, butthey paid for it. That's the interesting
What was he doing? They weren'tjust like dumping those clothes. They were
no, no, what we todo? For a period of time,
I also started a rental I suggested, you know, let's do rental because

(01:03:13):
all my friends who work out inthe business, they go got erelish.
I wish we could rent clothes fromyou. Because Aaron Spelling had a great
ward or department all our shows,if you think about it, they were
more glamorous. We didn't have anyin the dirt shows, so the clothes
were all They were all gorgeous clothes. So I started a rental department and

(01:03:37):
in the first year we made overhalf a million dollars and that's used close.
So they were very excited. Theywere very excited. And then what
would happen? Also when we gotoverloaded, I would give the clothes to
it's a wrap, it's in Burbank, yes, yes, so whatever I
didn't want to keep you know,the overflow. I would give it to

(01:03:59):
it's a wrap, and then theywould give us so much money and then
I would put that back into nextyear's by Jit. I didn't know that
it's a rap had been around sinceit's well, you know, her mother,
Tierra's mother ran at first, andit started with furniture. She worked
in an office at Universal and afterthe shows they wanted to get rid of

(01:04:19):
furniture and she started doing consignment andthen it moved into wardrobe. But yeah,
if you go in there, there'sup above the door, there's an
outfit I did for Elissa, herleather outfit. It's her power woman outfit
and they have Elissa Milano from Charmedfrom Charmed and they have it hanging up

(01:04:41):
on their wall at it's so ralf. I bought there's my costume up there.
So that was cute. That's sofun. Oh okay, all right,
I think we actually have to wrapup. Yeah, before we all
melt before we all melted hot inhere. But you can call me back
anytime. That's one one more thingI want to say. It's really clear
as you're talking about your career andthe work that you've done and the people

(01:05:06):
you've worked with that by example,you've shown how important it is in life
in general to just be kind,to be professional, to just do the
work, and you know good thingswill happen. That is it's so amazing
you said that because my last interviewwas I was honored at the Designers Guild.

(01:05:29):
Four of us were honored, threeof us, and at the end
of my speech, I said,you know, we're all are doing the
same thing, working and you workto get a job done. And I
did say that. I said,all we should do is just be kind
to each other. That's exactly whatI said. It's a funny. I
always try to keep a lovely workatmosphere. Yeah, that's amazing. What

(01:05:55):
an amazing career for a little girls. Yes, yes, but it was.
I was very lucky, very veryblessed. I always say I've been
blessed more than anything. That's amazing, and with just such joy. There's
such joy coming from you. Iwish everybody could be in the manifest for

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all right, thank you for today'saudiography. You can find the It's a
Rap resale boutique at It's a RapPollywood dot com, or on Facebook and
Instagram at it's a wrap links inthe description. Also, I recommend an

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interview with Elish Nebraski by the CostumeDesigners Guild, and link for that will
be on the website. It's onYouTube. The book I'm going to shout
out today is fifty Fashion Looks ThatChange the nineteen Eighties by Paula Reid,
and shout out to SAG after forwalking out and standing strong for actors in
the future of entertainment as we knowit. If you want to hear what

(01:06:59):
a fiery speech sounds like, clickthe link in our description to hear SAG
President fran Drescher's strike announcement speech that'llknock your socks off. Oh my gosh,
Sharon, guess what we are doingnext episode. We are doing It's
a Living, the ABC and syndicatedsitcom about waitresses working at the restaurant at
the top of the Bonaventure Hotel andbeautiful downtown Los Angeles. I can't wait

(01:07:25):
because we are going to have JaneEspenson and Drew Greenberg, two amazing modern
writer and producers, come on andtalk with us about their thoughts about It's
a Living. And I can't wait. It's going to make so much crazy
sense. Can't wait for the listenersto hear why they pick this show.
Out of all the eighties shows thatthey could have picked, this is the

(01:07:45):
one that they chose. So getready, tune in and pack up your
waitress aprons. Please join us.Who are your favorite Eighties TV ladies?
You can contact us through the websiteand tell us what shows and eighties we
should be covering. Our website isEighties tv Ladies dot com. That's eight
zero NSTV, M, A,d I E s dot com and we

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are on Instagram, Twitter, andall the social channels at Eighties tv Ladies.
If you're liking this podcast, pleasemake sure to rate and review.
It helps it a lot. Ihope Eighties tv Ladies brings you joy and
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will lead us forward toward being amazingladies of the twenty first century. Let's

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go, babies, So Pretty City.

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