BONUS: Bewitched, BeMagical and BePregnant | A Crossover with Breaking Mayberry - 80s TV Ladies

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eighties d Day hand So Pretty Eighties into the City,
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to this bonus episode.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Of eighties TV Ladies. I'm Susan Lambert Adam.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
And I'm Sharon Johnson. Welcome to the second of our
two part fun crossover episodes with the Breaking Maybury Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now Breaking Maybury Podcast calls themselves too idiots and they're
much more intelligent. Guests take on classic TV, mostly the
Andy Griffith Show to see the weird messages they broadcast
into American homes and assess what holds up and what
caused permanent damage to the psyche of an entire generation.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's a very funny podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I will say it is a very explicit podcast, so
be warned if you go listen, but also it is
very fun. They cover everything from The Andy Griffith Show
to I think they're currently doing Glee. So it's Marty
Schneider and Dan Ludwig and we are very excited to
do this crossover episode. You can go listen to the
first part on their podcast, Breaking Mayberry and then come

(01:17):
listen to the second part on ours.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
The episodes that we cover.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Are season two, Episode one and Season two episode two.
So though they are somewhat related, you don't have to
know one to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
To the other. So I think they are not idiots
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
They're actually quite hilarious and really fun and we've had
a great time doing this, So please welcome Marty Schneider
and Dan Ludwig.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Hi everyone, I'm Marty Schneider with my colleague Dan Ludwig.
We are the hosts of a podcast called Breaking Mayberry,
which you can get wherever you get your pods. Breaking
Mayberry is a show about nostalgia and television, exploring kind
of the impact that TV has on generations. It started
as a show specifically about the Andy Griffith Show, but

(02:05):
since then we've branched out and expanded to more of
a variety show model to do whatever comes to our
minds or whatever's requested of us, but really exploring big
trends and shows that made impacts on generations. And I
don't know the timing of our release schedule on this,
but I believe that when this comes out, we'll be
in the middle of a chock block of Glee. We're

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gonna go from the sixties all the way up to
the Obama years, just really fast. It's gonna get whiplash
on it, tonal whiplash, if you will. So that's what
we're working on.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Now, is is there a lot of comparisons between the
sixties and the nineties, like just generationally.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
So we just so from doing Glee, I think we
were the thing.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
That which is not the nineties. Got to clear that up.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
But like the do you mean like the nineties, but
the generation of night babies kind yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the people born in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, at least
like when Glee came out. The thing we kind of
noticed was like this just sort of unrelenting like sort
of optimism to it, just like things are automatically going
to get better, so we don't have to try that hard.
The future is guaranteed. We're like, oh, you kids, don't

(03:20):
know what you're in for.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Oh your summer children.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
I think it also does relate a lot to really
more of the fifties than the sixties, but that like
post war, like we're doing better than ever. America is
doing just fine and doesn't have anything to deal with
right now.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
This line is going up and I'm assuming it's going
to continue that way indefinitely.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
So We're going back to a little television show called Bewitched,
which was a what I would like to call a witchcom,
a witch led sitcom that aired eight seasons on ABC
from nineteen sixty four to eineighteen seventy two about a
witch who marries an ordinary man, Darren Stevens, and decides

(04:07):
she's going to live as a typical suburban housewife and
tamp down her special skills, except, of course, she uses
them every episode.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Bewitch starred Elizabeth Montgomery is Samantha Stevens, the witch as
referenced in our title, and her husband, Darren Stevens, was
initially played by Dick York and after several seasons was
replaced by Dick Sargent. Also, Agnes Moore had played her
mother and Dora, and there were several other actors who

(04:39):
had recurring roles as other members of her family. So
it was part of a time when there were there
seemed to be a number of TV shows that had
kind of a magical component. My mother to car, I
dream of Genie, et cetera. But in a lot of ways,
I think this one was probably at the time, if

(05:00):
not close to it.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I remember it being really sweet and lovely. And
you can hear us talk about some of that on
on Breaking Mayberry in part one, where we talk about
some of the other sort of magical Would you call
them magical them?

Speaker 5 (05:18):
I call them secret sexy ladies, secret sexy magic ladies. Yeah, yeah,
this is a whole.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
My wife is magic and nobody can find out.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yeah, that was a whole subgenre. You named three of them.
The fourth one, I think is My Living Doll, which
is about Julie Numar playing a sexy robot. Why is
the robot a sexy woman? Don't ask?

Speaker 6 (05:45):
And then guys come up and they want to kiss
the hot robot but they can't because they'll get electrocuted
to death. So it's mostly just a guy trying to
stop that from happening.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Wow, that one's pretty dangerous.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Yeah, somehow they got multiple seasons out of that premise.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Not the best of that genre, but I'll say my
personal favorite of that genre.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Marty has also watched all of My Mother the Car
inexplicably against everybody's advice.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
And you guys are impressive.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Have you talked about My Mother the Car?

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yes, yes, I think that was a Patreon episode for us.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yea, all right, all right, well, I'm excited to hear
about that, but I'm fascinated by I was always fascinated
by we Witched.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I liked it. I watched it.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I didn't have a huge memory of it because I
was probably pretty young. But certainly you can sort of
take some lines too Charmed, to Witches of East End,
to Sabrina the teenage witch, you know, in sort of
these uh wacky witituation comedies that happen there.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
It was the wituation comedy is good. I like that
a lot.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
One landed.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, thanks, I'm just gonna I keep throwing them against
the wall, sa with sticks.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
I'm gonna give you this feedback. Keep going, don't slow down.
It's working. Keep keep doing them.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
All right.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
But so we were looking we we how did we
land on Bewitch?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was excited about it because female driven and we
wanted but we wanted to cover something in the sixties.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
So it's a little bit in your territory. Do you guys,
what what was.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Your knowledge of Bewitched before it came up on our
radar when we were what are we going to talk about?

Speaker 6 (07:37):
Part I? So I, uh, I had insomnia as a kid,
so I would stay up and watch a lot of
Nicket Night, and this was sort of like the good
part of the rotation, Like this was the like I
was a lot of the black and white TV was
kind of just white noise to me. But Bewitch would
come and be like, I get this premise. This is working.

(07:58):
The mother in law is very mean and also magic,
this is the good part.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
And also we did a little bit of I Dream
of Jeanie, so we're very sort of we got very
acquainted with the magic wife premise, so this was like,
all right, let's do the good version of that.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Me personally, I knew very little. I knew almost nothing
about be Wished on other side of the general premise.
But when I said that we were going to do that,
my wife got very excited.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
So she knew it.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
She knew it, she knew I think that was also
her nick and night, her and Grandma's show. I think
that was the one that they would like watch and
she enjoyed. So she was very, very excited and gave
me backstory on a lot of these characters, which was
appreciated but not wholly necessary for the two episodes we
were doing.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
And I think we managed to find some pretty great episodes.
So the episode we're talking about today is season two,
episode two to a very Special Delivery. It aired September
twenty third, nineteen sixty five, and it was basically the
beginning of season two is where Samantha basically announces that

(09:13):
she's pregnant. And then in this episode, why don't we
head into it.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Just to check what year did this episode come out?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
It came out nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
That feels like a miracle that they did this premise
in the sixties, especially compared to what we've been watching
the Anti Grippet Show, where notably they had an episode
about how difficult childbirth is that did not have a
single woman in it. So, like I just it was

(09:48):
just mind boggling that they did this premise.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Dare I ask how they they what the story was about?

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Okay if I remember right? If I remember right, Uh,
they are following Andy and Barney are following a farmer
around because this is actually very funny for the sixties.
Barney suspects him of growing marijuana. They never say marijuana,
but the so they're following this farmer who is way

(10:18):
out on the edge of town, and he comes into
town and buys weird supplies like no hoses and blankets.
Are you know boil is like big pots to boil
water or something. I don't. So they follow him and
they find out that the reason why he's been acting
so nervous and edgy is his wife is giving birth
right now. So cut to commercial, like they're like, oh,

(10:41):
we're gonna go help with this delivery. Cut to commercial
and boy, that sure was a great delivery that you
did there, Barney. Yeah, they love to do that. They
love to do that on that show.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
I think monologue from your father about like, man, I'm
so stressed out. This is so difficult for me that
my wife is giving birth. Does anybody want to hear
about how this is impacting my interior life? And they're
like so much, so much. And then they give birth
and they're all just out from be like, how are
you doing father about the whole birth?

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Are you cool?

Speaker 6 (11:13):
You doing good? Be like yeah, I'm holding up. And
then the episode's over and it took us so long
to realize that they had not shown a woman.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Oh god.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah. I also want to say about this particular episode.
So much of this episode is guys making assumptions about
how pregnancy works. And I do appreciate that for this
episode you brought on Dan and I, two childless men,
to also make wild assumptions about the accuracy of this

(11:47):
depiction of pregnancy.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
I mean, we learned a lot when you were on
our show, particularly how tampons used to work back in
the day. So I'm excited for what I'm gonna find out.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Now. You can listen to that one on Breaking Baby.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, so go over to Breaking Mary Berry.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
We talk about Alias Darren Stevens, where Darren gets turned
into a chimp and you know, by accident and and
this time Darren is affected by magic on purpose. So
a little bit about the episode. Darren has learned in
the first episode of season two that Samantha is going

(12:26):
to have a baby and he's going to be a father,
and his first instinct is to kind of wait on
Samantha hand and foot and make sure she's okay, and
then you know, and do everything for her so she
knows she's she doesn't hurt herself. And then Larry Tait,
his boss at work, convinces him that basically women should

(12:48):
never be treated like that, that.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
They love it they love to work really hard during
their pregnancy. It's their favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And it's better for her and the baby, So then.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
You couch it more in terms of that his wife,
when she was pregnant, took advantage of her pregnancy to
get him to or be treated better or whatever waited upon.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
It's gross. Yeah, he says something to the effect of, like,
if you let them, women will make being pregnant an occupation,
a career, a career, which on it on the surface
is gross but also really smacks of like Reagan era
welfare queen kind of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty horrifying, right when
you Dora, her mom shows up, who doesn't like Darren, uh,
basically shows up and finds out that she's going to
be a grandmother. Darren proves himself to be a kind
of a jerk about it, and she basically curses him
to have the symptoms of pregnancy and thus chaos and suits.

(13:56):
So so Darren has to have you know, labor pains
as it were. Yeah, okay, but so let's let's let's
go to the beginning of this episode because I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
One.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
So season one and season.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I was sort of fascinated by, you know, the technology
of television as well. Season one and season two were
both black and white when they originally aired, and I
think why I saw a colorized version was what I
was able to find.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Are there black and white versions of these?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, there's there's a website called Internet Internet Archive.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
The whole the whole series isn't available for free on
Internet Archive.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, and it's it's it's black and white at least
season one, season two. I didn't get any further than that,
but it's absolutely in the original black and white.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
I feel like that I watched I watched the recolored version.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Yeah, I feel like that would be better because I
think I would prefer to not know Andendorra's color scheme.
I disagree, totally disagree. I'm with Martin Hare. I misagree
because I feel like she would have more of an
air of mystery in black and white, not knowing that
she was green and purple.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
I absolutely loved those lex Luthor colors. I love that
they chose to just scream like we are in color. Now,
look how we can do with technic color. Look how
bright this is. And it also helps serve to separate
her from like normal mortal life. That's her whole motivation
is she doesn't want her daughter to tamp herself down.

(15:35):
She doesn't want her daughter to be a normal, boring mortal.
She says, we're witches, We're big, we're bold, we're magic.
I'm going to stand out as much as possible. So
I absolutely love the most of the time. I as
a purist, I'm kind of against colorizing things that originally
black and white. But if you're gonna do that, I
really liked that they went big with this because it

(15:57):
fits the character.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
See what the color scheme is saying to me is
that she has to go fight Batman right after this episode.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I think she might have. I wouldn't be.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
Crossover, that crossover that would actually be so good and honestly.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Like, let me just control f guess I'm sure Adam
West appeared on here some point, right, it has to
have been a crossover that.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is so funny and listen, and Dora is such a
great character and I love that. I love that this
episode has her in it. And I also love that
it has a little Larry tape because I remember not
liking Larry Tape from childhood, but not quite knowing why,
and after this episode, I know what, but with the

(16:46):
look of this show is so incredible to me, and
now is Mayberry? Has Mayberry didn't ever get colorized?

Speaker 5 (16:53):
No, it certainly did.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Oh yeah, well, a sharp drop off in quality that
is universally loathed by everybody that liked the show because
it also coincided with Don Knott's leaving and just a
huge tonal shift in the show. And you know, the
whole thing is very reliant on this kind of like

(17:17):
Norman Rockwell, is it the Great Depression or is it
the sixties? And that was really reliant on it being
in black and white, and color just shatters that illusion.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah, the show becomes very different after that. The
show becomes a little bit more obsessed with the idea
of television. They leave Mayberry to go to Hollywood for
a few episodes. That becomes very so it's just honestly
a completely different show, which has contributed to why Dan
and I are trying to talk about anything else while

(17:51):
we're doing Glee right now.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, I mean, I'm sure there's some line between Andy
Griffiths show and Glee. Did he appear on Glee?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Rond on Glee?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
No.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
I mean pretty much every person guested on that show
at some point, but probably Ron Howard was a little
too outside for them.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
If I may. Someone asked earlier it did Adam West
appear on Bewitch? Yes? He did?

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Was he was? Season one episode thirteen. He played a
character named Kermit. I don't he's then, just skimming through
the description. Yeah he was not he was not a warlock.
He was a but for those one to look for it,

(18:41):
it's season one, episode thirteen and it is called Love
is Blind.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
Okay, all right, I don't understand how you have Adam
West on your show about which is in warlocks and
he's not magic. But okay, I guess that's why I
don't work until it.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
I took a big swing on that, and I'm so
happy a pay off.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah that was pretty good. That was pretty good. I'm
very impressed by that. Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I just want to talk a little bit about their house,
all right, So we start off we're in the bedroom, right, like, yeah,
we're in the bedroom at one even though we never
see them in bed together. Right.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
As far as I know, I haven't watched the whole episode,
I mean, the whole series but in this episode, I
don't think they're in bed together.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
They are actually at the end, No, a couple a
couple of times he's he's on his side of the bed,
her side of the bed faces or maybe it's another episode,
but anyway, face is the camera. If you face the bed,
he's on the left, she's on the right. He's facing
the other way. She's facing the camera. But they are

(19:47):
on the same bed. It's clearly not double you know,
two twin beds or something.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, I'm thinking of the Dick van Dyke show where
it was so clear they weren't allowed to be in
bed together.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Right, that was still a thing that that which I
take that.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I think this is a your both right situation. I
think that like they're in the bed together. But if
I remember right, just from this episode, she's in the
bed and he's standing next to the bed by her,
bent over serving her something. I don't think there's any
clips of them both laying down in bed together. It's
always one is in the bed and one is next

(20:23):
to the bed, or one is around. So I think
this is a case of you're both right. Of course,
just for the terms of this episode, I should also
be making this up entirely.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
No, no, I think my apologies because this afternoon before this,
I watched both this episode of Very Special Delivery and
I watched an episode from the first season where I
won't get into all the details, and I think that's
where I saw them in bed together. So my apologies.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But this is like sixty four versus like so Dick
Fendyke Show, which I also watch. That's the other sort
of sort of I would say, male female situation comedy
that I absorbed a lot of this time period, and
they were they were in separate twin beds.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
They are currently wearing a Mary Tyler Moore T shirt.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Exactly, but but this one they're clearly they clearly share
a bed, and I'm just like that so feels like,
WHOA something changed?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
We do that they can make a baby.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
So one of the things, so one of my quotes
about the Dick Van Dyke Show I like from Dick
Van Dyke was it was really important for him to
kind of break the mold by having the husband and
wife actually seem like attracted to each other and have
a sense of intimacy, which I guess was like off
the table up until this point. Like the most you

(21:53):
can do is a firm handshake, maybe eye contact once
an episode, otherwise the sensors will get in here. And
this really feels like in that like tradition, Like it
feels like it does I do like that like bed,
whether or not they're in a bed together, it does
feel like these two people are actually like attracted to
each other and they do have like a physical relation.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
And it feels like a marriage. Yes, yeah, that's what
I think we're getting it. These feel like two married people.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, absolutely, And so that that's nice.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And he's being all like, I gotta take care of you,
and he is being a little bit smothering. I will say,
he's like, oh my god, don't move, You're gonna die,
you know. Yeah, But she's like, I've got it, Darren,
I'm fine.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
It was it was frequently. It's freually pointed out, like, Darren,
you will collapse from exhaustion if you continue going at
this rate for the entire pregnancy.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah. At this point, he's known her pregnancy for like
two or three days. They haven't even told her mom yet,
and he's got like eight months to go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
It seems to be an indication though of the general
lack of awareness that men then and probably now to
a large extent, have about what pregnancy is and how
it affects women. Because you know, he's, as we talked
about earlier, Larry's able to convince him to change his
behavior of hovering over her the whole time, and even
during as we talk about the symptoms that he has.

(23:22):
It's all very very much from a male perspective about
what pregnancy is. And I say this as someone who
has not been pregnant, however, I feel like I know
a little bit more about what it would be than
certainly those two men did back in nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Especially and up to and including the man who wrote
this episode. Right to remember that this episode is written
by a man who I think was like I heard
they like pickles, Yeah, they want pickles.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, and very broad strokes. When we get to the
symptoms of pregnancy, right.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
There is an early joke about the symptoms of pregnancy
I want to reference. I want to make sure we
talk about, and that is in this scene in the front.
In the first scene, Samantha says, listen, I'm feeling really good.
I'm actually I don't have morning sickness. I don't. I'm
not hurting. I feel Also, she's only been pregnant, she's
like maybe six weeks pregnant, very beginning, very early. But

(24:29):
she says, I feel good. I'm not having any symptoms.
And then she looks down at her body and says, well,
maybe one symptom, and she pats her belly to indicate
that's the symptom. That it's the belly. But I'll just
straight up say it since she's wearing a very baggy
maternity thing, I swear. Until she patted her belly to

(24:50):
indicate it, I thought that was a joke about her boobs.
I thought she was like, oh, I thought she was saying, well, okay,
I've got one symptom. My boobs are huge now because
because you can't see the baby bump because.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's very flowy. Her outfit is all flowy.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
So she has to pat her stomach to make sure
you understand that's what the joke is. I'd like to
think that maybe the joke was originally about about her breasts,
and then Elizabeth Montgomery, yeah, you would like I would
like to think that, sir. But then maybe Elizabeth Montgomery
or somebody on set was like this is about the belly, right, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Will say she was pregnant in real when they first
started shooting this season, and when I watched the previous episode,
I actually thought she looked like she had a little
bit of a baby bump there. There were a couple
of places where I'm like, she pregnant?

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
What's going on? And you know, knowing and did they
write that in in the next episode? They did, Yeah,
they did.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
Indeed, the impression I was under was that you couldn't
show a being pregnant on TV, like it was a
censorship thing because they were like, if you show that
a woman has been pregnant, then you show that she
has had sex and that is profane. So I was like,
maybe that's why the robe had to be so flowy,

(26:14):
But for my understanding of censorship at the time, they
wouldn't even let this on camera.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
So I think in this case it wasn't that so
much as she was much further along in her personal
pregnancy then she would have been in the show, so
they were trying to hide that she was. This is
my impression that she was actually pregnant, yeah, as opposed
to the other because remember Lucy had Little Ricky back

(26:40):
on the I Love Lucy's show back in the mid fifties,
so they had kind of already broken that glass ceiling
or pregnancy ceiling, whatever you want to call it, back then.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Broken that water.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
There you go, see Susan.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Not a hot streak.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
So I think we observed before it was still in
the same and the credits it says something like Miss
Montgomery's wardrobe is provided by Tyler Maternity's or something like this.
So this entire episode, both these episodes are a great
ad for that maternity clothing episode or brand, because she
looks great, like it's a lovely nightgown.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
She looks gorgeous. She looks so beautiful in this show,
like I'd forgotten sort of how beautiful she is and
how sort of sparkly and very young Mary Tyler Moore.
There's elements of that and just sort of her sort
of joyousness. I mean, they're both actually quite adorable, I
think in this episode. But she looked great and her

(27:42):
outfit looks great. But I will say that the little
tiny apron that she was given for an anniversary gift
does not make an appearance when she's in the kitchen.
I was really hoping that Darren would put.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
It on show follow up, follow up.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I'd like to think that one of the writers may
have suggested it, but somewhere as somebody went, no, we're not.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's so much.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
I do like that Darren is sort of is on
the submissive side, Like he's not like a like a
very like it's my way or the highway. He's very
like doting and like a little like he's he's you know,
he's kind of like beta in a way that I
wouldn't expect to see on TV at this time period,

(28:38):
Like you just assumed that I'll, like, the husband is
always going to be like, let me tell you what's
going on. I'm in charge of his household. Instead he's like.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
It's it's you know. The obvious comparison we're all we're
gonna make constantly is to Idreamgenie and Idagenie is about
always about Tony trying to assert himself, trying to start
his dominance in a relationship where he is not the
dominant one at all, and Jeanie kind of lets him
think that and then you know, every episode proves him wrong. Darren,

(29:12):
Darren is super comfortable in himself dren Is. Darren knows
he's not the powerful one because he's like, I'm married
a witch until until an older man, an older, more
successful man, comes into the picture and tells him how
he should behave because it's kind of like his Larry
Tate is, for lack of a better term, his his

(29:34):
father figure in this, you know. So it's kind of
like his dad comes in and says, don't let your
woman treat you like that, son, and then it causes
a little behavioral shift for him that is out of character,
and then he gets his his comuppance, you know. So
it's nice to see a dude that loves his wife.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
But it is so much I will I want to
point out that at this point she was married to
her third husband, William Asher.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Who was the producer director.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
On Bewitched, and so so he's I don't know, I
didn't look to see if he directed this actual episode,
but he's overseeing the show at this point, and so
it's it's very interesting that, I mean, she's pregnant with
his child right like at this point. So it's it's
an interesting sort of when you think about that.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
What you know, so you got just off stage, you know,
just offset going be nice to her.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
As it happens.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
He did direct this episode, so anyway, I think it's
so I think it's so charming. Darren is very charming
in this episode, and he's and he's trying really hard,
too hard. But then Larry Tate, Oh my god, can
we talk now? We can really get into the Larry
Tate at all.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
I want to say that monologue has a lot to unpack.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
I do want to say one thing about Asher before
we go on, since Susan brought that up. That is
very interesting to me that this is an episode about
a man over protecting his pregnant husband, and behind the scenes, Uh,
you have a man who is watching over the work
of his pregnant wife. I think I said pregnant husband earlier.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
You did you did dead.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I was trying to mistake in this context because of
what the episode is about. It's about a man protecting
his pregnant wife. And in the background there is a
man actually protecting his pregnant wife. Because Elizabeth Montgomery is
not the driving force in this episode. She doesn't do
a ton in this episode. She was probably not working

(31:47):
a lot that week because her director husband didn't want
her to work. That hard interesting.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
That that is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Now I feel like I want to watch the next
few episodes and see if continues for a while, if
they're like, Okay, we got to give her some time
and she's like or.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
If the next director comes in he's like, let's get
this woman to work.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
We're paying her.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Get her on.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
The next episode is directed by Larry Tait.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
What so the Larry Tait scene. Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So Larry Tait is.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Such an app and I've said that I shouldn't say that,
but he really is. I was surprised at how forceful
that the You're gonna make a career.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Out of it.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
So this is this is Darren's boss is Darren's boss.
Darren goes to work and he talks to his boss,
and his boss basically says, what are you doing Karen?
For a woman?

Speaker 7 (32:42):
You know?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
There's like this weird peppering of bragging in it too,
because it's like, once I stopped doting on her, she
became powerful. She was gulfing when she gave birth. The
only problem was that it threw off her swing. So
it is like there's like it's like, don't doubt a
donte on her because she'll become weak. But if you don't,
my god, you'll have the most powerful wife in the world.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
And it's he's read a book.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
The book. The book title he says is Labor for
Labor's Sake, which I think we can we can google that.
That sounds made up. It also sounds like a like
a like a working class like socialist text to me.
But he says that he's read a book and his uh,

(33:30):
his own wife just had a baby, which I find interesting.
I don't know if we ever see Larry Tate's wife
on this show, but I would be willing to bet
that she is much younger than him, because this man
is probably fifty five sixty years old, right.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, after to admit, I kind of bumped on that
when he said his wife just had a baby, and
I was like, I would have I would have expect
him to say granddaughter as opposed to wife. That so, yeah,
was she wife number three or four?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah? Maybe, although it's so hard because as people in
the sixties, actors in the sixties often looked way older
than they actually were.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Cigarettes everywhere. Yeah, Yeah, you know what's cool. We haven't
said the plot of the episode.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
We did but we haven't gotten to the good part
of the episode.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
We haven't got into the first we haven't got past
the first Well, we're in the second scene, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And on that note, let's take a break.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Welcome back, Let's continue with our conversation.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Go quick and doras. Here she's in the kitchen and
she is lecturing, uh uh. She is lecturing Samantha Yeah,
about how she has royally screwed up by having a kid.
She she describes finding out that her daughters having a

(34:59):
child that's an ugly rumor, and says basically like, if
you have a kid with him, you're going to be
locked into a monogamous relationship for this man's whole life, which,
based off of their immortal lifespan, shouldn't really be that
big of a deal, like whatever seventy years tops. Yeah,
like it's fine, but it is. She like she's very

(35:27):
like counter cultural in her critique of this. She'd be like,
you're you're stuck in this like straight laced monogamous, Like
there's sort of like almost like hippie vibes from the
way that she's criticizing this.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Yeah, that interesting and endures the hippie on this.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
We talked like a lot of in the other episode
about like what the witches are like a metaphor for
And I think there is kind of like a counter
cultural element to them because I did some digging and
Samantha's father is not in a like a relationship with
and Dora. They are like basically a casual hookup. So

(36:07):
like witches are non monogamous. Uh, They're in kind of
this like loose society. So it is weird that there's
also that angle on the criticism of.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Well and there's that idea that that some people read
it a little bit coded gay.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
They all like they live on the fringe of society.
They have a big secret they keep from everybody else.
I can see that. Yeah, that makes it makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
All Right, She's very not thrilled, and she's also like,
he's gonna be awful to you.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Harsh What harsh things do you hear from your mother?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, she's really a witch when you think about it.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
She eventually chills out when she's told she can play
with the baby whenever she wants, will have no responsibilities whatsoever,
and will not be called grandma. Like. She does chill
out eventually, Yes, but she is still like talking smack
on Darren, and Samantha.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Is like, no, he's been you. We'll see it, mom.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
He is totally supporting me and totally behind me, and
he's gonna not let me lift a finger. And then
of course he shows up and is a jerk because
Larry Tate told him to be and the book told
him to be.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
One last thing about Larry Tate's monologue, by the way,
he makes a pretty good case. That pretty good case.
He makes a terrible case women used to work in
the field, have babies and then go back to work
in the field again, which is an awful case to make,
and also points out that and also neglects to observe

(37:46):
that lots of babies died. Yes, yeah, lots of women
died having babies.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Kind of, Larry, Yeah, Larry does not come off great
in this episode. He's really no, he's really kind of
He's the villain in this episode for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Really hearkening back like describing a nightmare of a scenario,
like remember when you had to do labor immediately before
and after giving birth? Doesn't that sound great and like
something you want to emulate?

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So yeah, So Darren walks in he's overcompensating in the
other direction right in front of Endora, and that does
not go overwell, and so she curses him basically, yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
To have the symptoms of pregnancy, not going all the
way out to give him like the big Arnold Schwarzenegger
junior bump and everything. But he does have like morning
sickness and with a backache. He walks a little funny,
and it's mostly just hormonal.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, and what's funny is it is sort of the
male version of what we think pregnancy symptoms are in
that they come on instantly.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
This is a very good episode of Bewitched, in my opinion.
I haven't watched all of them, but I watched a
few sort of leading up to this as we were
sort of looking for it. I think this has got
some really great writing. You know, Darren says, I'm doing
this for Sam's good. Believe me, I know every ache
and pain that she has and it hurts me more
than her, and and Dora says it doesn't yet, but

(39:29):
it will. And that's when we know that she has
cursed him, and it's so lovely. And so then he
wakes up in the morning and he's got a back ache,
and he's walking like a waddling you know penguin, which
again really only comes in like the eighth or ninth month, So.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
You will get all of the symptoms of pregnancy, all
of them at once. You are going to feel nine
months of pregnancy in twenty four hours.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Well, it is a curse. It is, it is which prepped.
So how how do we feel about the Darren's pregnancy symptoms?
Like overall? Like do we feel like they? Like?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Again, as someone who's never been pregnant, I did find
that the symptoms that he exhibited felt a little cliched,
the emotional reactions to things, the pickles, that kind of stuff. Nevertheless,
I did I think I appreciated more the physical pains

(40:37):
and aches and such that and Dora put him through
more than those other things, which I felt, you know,
Hussibly would have written a little bit differently if a
woman had written it, perhaps Susan, what about you, You're
the only one on this thing that's ever had a baby?
So true.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
And so so they go into a meeting the next day,
and Darren's in the meeting with client and is overly
emotional with Larry, and but also it's a very here's
here's the thing. It is to cliche, it is too broad.
It is not true that that particular thing happens for

(41:19):
every woman, but they decide that to lean into the
every woman you know wants to eat odd things, especially pickles,
because they're having lunch at this meeting, and Darren gets
obsessed with everyone's pickle because he's eaten his and is out,
so he's extra hungry and all he wants is a pickle.
And they have this great scene and it's actually very funny.

(41:41):
So I'm willing to forgive it because he's all. Dick
York is so good at it too.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
He's really lovely and you have to write what Dick
York can play too? Right?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, yeah, I will give them credit for that. They do.
He I mean, he's always been my favorite.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Darren.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
The Dick's Sergeant was fine, but I really did prefer
Dick York's Darren over the other Darren who is.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
I think I think the key is that your I'm
gonna keep going inn. I think the key is that
York is. He's handsome, but he is funny looking. He's
got comedian face and he makes funny faces. He's got A.
He's kind of a naturally funny looking guy, and he
makes it funny to watch him his eyes bug out

(42:29):
and watch him make different reactions, like I think that's key.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
He's a sort of a kinder nicer when it gets angry,
it's not as angry for.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Me, Sergeant A. Sergeant Yeah, yeah, last episode of the
one that we covered on our show, he did a
pretty good job of playing the angriest the man could
ever possibly be.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Ever well he was he had been turned into a chimp, right, yeah,
I mean I would think that would rarely bring out
the beast in you as it were, So I'm ask you.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Did you come up with that joke after we recorded ours?
And you were like, oh, I got to get that
joke in when we do the second part.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
That one literally just came out because I was like,
I'm not sure I'm going to get another.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Pun in, so I have to be looking for it.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But the pickle scene was because I watched this episode
twice and it's very funny where he's asking everybody if
they can if he can have their pickle, and nobody
wants to give him their pickle, and he's like, but
you're not eating it. Let me have the pickle and
then he gets over emotional, so Larry takes him out

(43:42):
and then he's like, why are you being so emotional?
He's like, I don't know, I just feel and he's clearly,
you know, overly emotional. So Larry says, you got to
go to the doctor. So he goes to the doctor.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
That scene between between Larry and Darren, that was one
of the highlight lights for me because Larry was so perplexed,
it's no idea what's happening? Of course, really no nord
is Darren and I thought they were both just terrific
in that scene.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
Yeah, Dick Yorke's delivery of like being asked if he's
crying and going.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Like what if I am?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
He's so good, I know, I mean cliches definitely let
you play with humor a lot. I think for the
time I'm going to give them a little pass on
some of this because again, what they're talking about, the
meta of it all is that a man has to
go through pregnancy symptoms.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
That's that's what the audience is enjoying.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And I you know, given you know, just a few
years earlier, Dick van Dyke and his wife could could
be loving towards each other, but they couldn't share a bed,
and we were not that far from when you couldn't
you know, have a woman pregnant on on television, And
now we've made a man have pregnancy symptoms. Now we're

(45:04):
going for cliche jokes, but they're being performed very well,
and I'm willing to give it a lot.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
And they're also the funniest of the pregnancy symptoms. Other
pregnancy symptoms you could have given Darren are like swollen
feet and hemorrhoids, and so those aren't you know, necessarily
as good to do.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
No, I mean, imagine Dick York saying I have swollen
feet and hemorrhis imagine his delivery of that. It would
have been off the chain.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
But at least my periods have stopped. He did not
have to use anything.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
He would have crossed that line.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
So here, so I'm gonna finally answer the question of like,
what what of these symptoms makes sense? Those symptoms exist,
but they most of those symptoms do not come until
much later in the pregnancy, I will say. So the uncomfortableness,
really is it for me? Was in the very last
part of the like last month of the pregnancy. I

(46:07):
happened to feel great during my pregnancy. Not everybody feels
that way. I had like one moment of feeling sick.
They didn't really do the I'm the morning sickness.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Yeah, I don't think you could have.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Like, that's not fun.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
It's not fun. And also this one, I do know.
We don't have a toilet flush on TV until the
Brady Bunch, So.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Yeah, whoa, I thought it was all in the family.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Maybe it is all in the family, it pointed it's
not until the seventies. Yeah, yeah, we don't have a
toilet flush, so you really can't like have Darren puke
in his guts out, which also again not fun.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah. So that's probably the most like early trimester sort
of pregnancy symptom that some women have, not every woman, but.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
That is like the one they don't do.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, he just says he has an upset stomach. Yeah,
which gives the point across. It's not a joke, but
it gets it gets you to where you need to be.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, since it's all very funny, I was very much like,
it doesn't matter. She's a witch.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
He's been cursed with these, so they can be whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And Dora wants them to be right.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
I'll give them this. A man in the sixties paid
attention to things that happened to his wife while pregnant
and then thought, what if that happened to me? Which
feels crazy, That feels like something they would not be
capable of.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Sympathy pains are a real thing. Like, there are reports
of men having quote unquote sympathetic pregnancies, you know, feeling
cramps and things that their wives are But it's not funny, all.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Right, but here's here's one of my favorites. So, so
Darren goes to the doctor. The doctor says, well, everything
here describe it sounds like you might be pregnant.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
But that's ridiculous. And that's when Darren is like, oh no, yeah,
it gets yeah, yeah, I've been magiced. Uh and yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
So the first thing he does once he knows that
he's been cursed with pregnancy.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
He goes to the bar.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
He goes to a bar to have a lot of drinks.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
I think, and to keep in mind, at this point,
he does not think that he is like has the
symptoms of pregnancy. My man thinks he is pregnant, Like
he thinks that there is a fetus in him.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yes, and here's where we get like a very extended scene.
And now that you're saying it, Martin, I'm like, this
is so because this is so much time without the
two of them.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
You do not see Elizabeth Montgomery four a good two
thirds of this episode.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, it's pretty great now that I didn't even know.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's It's so he's at the bar and
he's basically visited by three dudes, my three spirits.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Three ghosts.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he does see the future. He
does look into the future.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
The first one is a jerk about it, the second
one is like, man, this is awesome. You're gonna be
so famous. And then the third one hits on his
mother in law.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
All right, all right, so the the but the dialogue again,
I'm just gonna call this guy.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Okay, Bartender, you're all right, mister Stevens. All right, Joe,
I'm gonna have a baby.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Oh yeah, congratulations to the wife, not my wife me
you Yes, I'm gonna be a mother. Well that's great,
you know, the first man in the world to pull
it off. You'll be famous.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
That Bartender is super chill about this. I feel like
bartender should have also been like, eh, you're cut off. Yeah,
no more drinks, no more for you. You're pregnant, you
know you can't be drinking. But my favorite line of
this is the dream sequence, where.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
After the bartender says that Darren envisions himself having a baby,
being interviewed by people who are amazed at this man
who just had a child, and he says something to
the effect of it's causing a lot of problems. See
as the boy's father, I want him to go into politics,

(50:35):
but as his mother, I'm against it. It's hilarious, it's
so funny.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
It's such a.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
That is also my favorite line of the episode. It's
so good.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It's I mean, and this whole little bit, this whole
fantasy bit where he imagines that he will have to
go to the hospital and give birth to a baby.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
And by the way, they show.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Him holding a stuffed animal, not a baby, but he's
like cradling a stuffed animal like a.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Baby, and he's clearly just had the baby.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
But more importantly than they also get Elizabeth Montgomery basically
pacing the waiting room with all the other guys in
her overcoat so she we can hide her her actual
real pregnancy, and then when they tell her it's it's
a boy that she hands out cigars. It's such a

(51:25):
gender bending episode that I absolutely love that crap.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Yeah, I don't think they missed anything. I think they
I think they they they covered it all in terms
of some of the pregnancy tropes.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
It was really so well done, so well done. But
you know who I really in this episode. I really
liked and Dora because a lot of times, to me,
she was mean to Darren and I wasn't always there
for that. But in this episode, she sees the he's

(52:00):
treating her pregnant daughter and he's like She's like, I'm
not having it. You think this is such a walk
in the park. Let me show you exactly what it
is that she's gonna be dealing with. And I think,
and again I haven't seen it too many episodes at
this point, but I think in terms of and Dora,
I think this was one of the best for her

(52:21):
character because she was really really standing up for her
daughter in this one.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, there's a reason for her to do something to Darren.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Yeah, I mean, she likes messing with Darren, but in
this case, there is like a distinctly she gets to
be in the right for it.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Yeah, things are better because she did this, Darren. It
goes back to being a better husband as a result
of what she did. Could somebody have just yelled him yes,
but it wouldn't have been as funny.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
This was much more fun this way.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yeah, And in fact, yeah, right, their marriage is better
because of it, and like he is now better equipped
to take care of his wife for the next eight months.
And that's the conclusion, is him saying, no, honey, I
know what you're going through. I know exactly what you're
going through, like through gritted teeth, And she's like, I

(53:17):
guess you do, all right? Well, and then she's like,
how lucky am I? I'm like the only woman ever
to like have a husband who knows exactly what this is,
you know.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
So he and he's real proud of himself. Always a man.
I'm a man and a million Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I did so good being pregnant for like twelve hours.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Who's the who's the the like the figure from Greek
myth the Oracle that was like both a man and
a woman, which made him like incredibly wise. I Yeah,
I feel like Darren By season six is owing to
be the ultimate version of that because he has been
a man, a woman, a monkey, a dinosaur, probably a

(54:06):
race car driver. He has been every form of human existence,
and he is like the ultimate perspective.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I think that's really great, except for the fact, and
I will say this was very disturbing at the end
of this episode, right before they sort of, you know,
wrap it up and reset to we're a happy to
best a couple and everything's gonna be fine. There's that
little like thread of domestic violence. But if that mother
of yours ever pulls a stunt like that again, I'm

(54:35):
gonna use a little magic of my own, make a
few teeth that disappear.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
And Samantha says, and no jury will convict you for
punching my mother in the face.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
What is happening In that line, her response should have been,
she could he everything, She's everywhere. Don't talk like that.
She will disappear you. She will turn you into a cloud.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
She will take your teeth out of your mouth and
put them in your brain. Because she can do that.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
She will turn you into teeth. That will be the
next episode.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
My husband the jaw, like, oh my god, yeah, it's
it's pretty uh, it's pretty indefensible, but I'm gonna try anyway, where.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Marty do it.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
No, Marty, we're not on our own podcast. We can't
edit out whatever the hell you're.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
About to say.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
No, No, it's the man has had a very strange week.
He has been he has been a chimp and pregnant
like in the past forty eight hours. I would probably
also have some misplaced anger to go somewhere. I would
also probably say something I don't mean, you know. The

(56:04):
serious mode here is like the show's entire jokes are
about the conflict between your in laws and your chosen partner,
having your or having your parents not approve of the
person you want to be with and having them not
like your family either. So no, don't, don't threaten to

(56:26):
punch your mother in law so hard she loses teeth.
But it is an exaggeration of just like lots of
people are angry at their in laws for various reasons.
This is the amount. This is the biggest exaggeration of this. Okay,
I think I got through that. Okay, I think I
got through that.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
That was pretty well done.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
That was well done, And Okay, this was the time
of To the Moon Alice, there was a lot of
threats and domestic violence on television. But I was surprised
after such a a woke episode if you were that
that it, that it ended with such a vitriol from Darren,

(57:10):
even though again he has very good Indoor is awful to.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Him throughout this and this show.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
And yes, but yeah, oh well you can't tell me
that Samantha hasn't also thought about punching her own mother.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
Like.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Well again, clearly Samantha is like, oh yeah, no, she's
sowvel and no jury will convict you.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Like I do.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I beg to differ.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Actually, the.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Should convict you also also try that defense.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Go for it.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
She turned me into a monkey, go on metaphorically.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
No, no, literally, they might incarcerate him in a mental word.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Yeah, she made me feel pregnant.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I thought I was going to be a mother.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Yeah, go for it. Try the lady, the gentleman of
the jury.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
I choose to represent myself in this child.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Oh my god? That all right?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Anyway, well this was so fun and any last thoughts.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I do want to circle back to one thing at
the bar because the closing of that Darren is left
to go get unpregnanted. And she is hanging out at
the bar with a guy that is basically hitting on her,
and he is giving like a speech about like, well,
you know, my wife is pregnant right now, and she's fine,

(58:49):
it's not that hard. I'm here drinking also hitting on you.
And she turns that dude. She gives the pregnant treatment
to that guy and definitely doesn't turn that one back.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
He's just like that now. I do I do want
to clarify something, damn, because when you said it, I
was like, oh, let's let's make that point. He just
naturally is gonna get over the symptoms. It's just like
a temporary spell. When you say that he's gonna go
get unpregnated. There is not a magical abortion happening off screen.
I just I just want to clarify that for everybody.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Yeah, And that is the way I say that.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
No, No, they want to clarify that we're not going,
you know, fetus disappear them and and taking care of
it that way. No, it's just it's just one of
those natural twenty four hour pregnancies that you go through.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
I thought I thought in Dora cut him some slack.
I thought she was like, all right, you've learned your
less No.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
No, I watched it twice. This was because no real
resolution to it other than Samantha saying, don't worry, honey,
it's just symptoms. They'll go away. It's gonna go away.
That's pretty much how they wrap it up and then
go away. I will say again, we talked about Darren
patting himself on the back. There is a chance it
just could have backfired. This is my final thought. The

(01:00:09):
ultimate resolution is I have felt your pains and now
I am more sympathetic to you the possible backfire. The
Larry Tait version of this story is, well, I was
pregnant for twelve hours and it wasn't that big a deal.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
So what I think and Dora would have had something
to say and or do about it if that had
been the case. So fortunately Darren is not Larry Tait,
so I think, but I think you're right, but I
think she would have come back and given him some more.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
The least charitable version I can do of what he
says at the end is like, hey, I've been there,
I've experienced what you're going through, so shut up and
listen to me, shut up and do what I say.
I have empathized with you, so now it's I Now
it's time to do exactly what I say all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Oh my god, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I do want to also point out the other guy
at the bar is Gene Blakely and uh and he
ends up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He's in eight episodes of Bewitched.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
As different characters or is it just like this one guy.
There's just like this one guy in the background every
couple of episodes, going oh man, my nipples are really sore.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
No, he's in. He's in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
He's in like four in season one, three in season two,
and like one in season four, and I just like
and he's like just the guy listening to Darren like
in some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I don't know. I don't know all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Oh, we're talking about the first guy, not the guy who.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Becomes pregnant, all right, I don't know which one he
won there is?

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
Oh no, no, yeah, I was looking at this because
he's like listed as a series regular and his just
title is the drunk He's the guy he's drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
He's the guy he's drinking with.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Yeah, and and his thing is he sees something from
the show and then he like looks at his bottle
of liquor and stops drinking it, like he but he
just does that bit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Anyway, I just thought that was, like, he's he's a recurring.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Recurring characters of just a guy that drinks with tarin.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yeah, just isn't just asn't aside because I was looking
for him, and I came across an actor named Dick Wilson,
whose character played several characters, one of which was called Drunk.
Dick Wilson was, for those of us who remember back
in the day, the actor on the commercial for Sharman,

(01:02:38):
he's the don't squeeze the Sharman guy.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
Oh no, not the bear.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Not the bear.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
But that's one of the things I love about looking
back over these over these older shows and looking at
at some of the credits and and actors that character,
actors like like Dick Wilson who did other things and
other where the other shows or commercials or other things
that you know of. But you're like, oh, I didn't
know that guy was in that show, you know, Like

(01:03:08):
we didn't know Adam West had a.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Role and Bewitched at some point, so happy I knocked
that one out.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Of the guest and his name is Kermit in it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
I'll say this, I'll say this. I think it's interesting
that Dick Wilson is just like a background bit part
in there, because clearly, by the fact that his name
is Dick, he's qualified to play the lead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
He I mean, then maybe they considered him and then
said no, but we'll give you the background.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Yeah, we were looking at him. He needed another Dick.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
Later in the show, he's like doing some some sabotage stuff,
like he's trying to, like injure Dick's sergeant be like,
I'm the next Dick in line.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I'm gonna take this one.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Some sandbags are falling from the rafters and barely missing
Dick Sergeant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Well, guys, this is fantastic. I was trying to figure
out what we would call it, and I think it
might be Bewitched, be Mayberry, and be Pregnant. So if
you enjoyed this episode, go check out us on Breaking
Mayberry in the where we look at Darren alias Darren Stevens.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
The episode they came right before this episode. Yeah logical
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Season one episode Season two, episode one and season two
episode two were the ones we decided to do because
it kind of fit and kind of neat to look
at a woman a female driven television show from the
nineteen sixties.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Yeah, thank you guys so much. It's it's you've been
really been a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Thank you for having us on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
Yea, this was so much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
We loved it. Thank you for having us on. We've
come back again anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
In today's audiography, check out the Breaking Mayberry podcast on Apple, Spreak, Spotify,
or wherever you find your favorite podcasts, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
You can watch Bewitched for free at Internet archive dot org.
The link will be in our description. Season five through eight,
I think are available for free on Roku.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
As always, we hope ADSTV Ladies brings you joy and
laughter and lots of fabulous new and old shows to watch,
all of which will bring us closer to being amazing
ladies of the twenty first century.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Have a great summer, Babies, sand so pretty into the city.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
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