August 13, 2025 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation
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(00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set the Stun,
where we continue to show our love for everything Star
Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast
which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of
Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise, and so
much more. Plotting the course as always a jocal Trek crew,
(01:00):
I'm David Burns.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whited.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I shall go ahead and give our normal red alert
to our listeners. If you are not caught up with
the series, please go do so, as there are spoilers ahead,
and big spoilers ahead. I might say from this episode, Captain,
We're going to need a bigger landing party. Well, gentlemen,
we are halfway through the season already. With Strange New
(01:25):
World Season three, with episode five, through the Lens of Time,
I got to tell you I had original vibes in
this episode of Star Trek. I really really did throughout
this and I don't know if you guys would agree
with me, but I also had star Tek Stargate vibes
in this episode.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, I did too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know if it was just where they were
shooting or what it was, but I mean, obviously they're
dealing with ancient history and stuff like that, like ancient
aliens and stuff like that. But you know, I just
I had that vibe going on with this.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was kind of picking up a little bit of
a D.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And D vibe. Okay, I could see that ten times. Yeah,
I definitely cold get that. There's a lot of vibe
going on in this episode.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I got an Indiana Jones vibe.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
All right, looks like we were getting all kinds of vibes. Well,
before we move into our different planes of existence, let's
keep our communication lines open and Wayne tell our listeners
what this episode is all about.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The Enterprise is at VDF nine to explore an ancient
site discovered by Corby and Chapel. While exploring the temple,
a glowing orb explodes in the face of medical assistant
Dana Gamble, and he is transported back to the ship
just as the others become trapped within, the away team
discovers that the temple was built as a prison for
extra dimensional parasitic alien beings called the Vesda. Meanwhile, Gamble
(02:45):
appears to be possessed by one of the ancient and
non Kaporia Vesta and takes Ma, Benga, Scottie, and Pelia
hostage while attempting to take over the ship.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
First off, thank you Pelia for deciding to join the
Rule back time. It is about time pleasant to have
her with the crew, getting the humor that we get
from her. She has a few good laughs in this episode,
and it was it was fun to have. But I
gotta tell you, guys, the way this episode opened, I'm like,
(03:16):
oh God, goodbye Nerve Gamble. I just knew it. Yep,
I knew when when they started the way they did.
I'm like, man, we didn't get to know you, buddy,
but it was nice.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, that was pretty obvious when it. I got that
same feeling too, Yeah, I mean I really.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Liked his character. Man, I wanted to get to know
him more. I feel kind of cheated. I mean, there
is something that happens at the end with the screen
behind mem Benga. I don't know if that's related that
we may get something else from I don't know, But
I don't know about you guys, but I feel really
cheated with Gamble.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah I did too. I wish, you know, we'll see
we're five episodes in. I wish we had seen him
in more the episodes. I mean, I liked him. I
remember even when we first saw him a couple episodes ago,
mentioning that that I really liked the interaction. That they
had the idea that they were introducing these secondary kids
cast members, but I had no idea they were introducing
him just to kill him off. And I kind of
(04:15):
wish that they would have developed him a little bit more,
maybe put him in, you know, two or three more episodes.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, it seemed like there could have been more runway
to make more of a connection with him Benga on.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
More of a personal level.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
There was a little bit of a time when I
thought we were going to lose Am Benga as well,
when he says take me, and I'm like, oh God,
please don't another personal Gamble like you know, would love
to see to stay around.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But yeah, it's too soon.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I just I liked his interaction with everybody that he had.
He had this this excitement, this youth that you get
that anybody who's brand new on the job, but you
could really feel the excitement in him when he you know,
he's on the enterprise, which is a t He knew that,
and you know, I think even says that, you know
that he was excited to be able to save the
(05:05):
enterprise that he's working on, and and the relationship that
he had with Membinga, it was almost like a father
and son almost kind of thing. And it was almost
to the point that you know when when he hugged him, remember, uh,
he was almost backed off a little bit because he's like, oh,
I shouldn't do this. You know, you're you're my commander basically,
not in those words, but you know, that's exactly what
(05:26):
it was. And just it was like a little kid
when he realized he was going in the away mission.
And I absolutely loved that. And I'm like, well, you
must have been wearing a red shirt because we all
know where this is going. But it's just and then
when his eyes get taken out, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That was pretty gory.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That was that was pretty gory for Star trek. Yeah,
but it definitely set the right tone for the whole episode.
I mean it was more horror than I think I
was expecting. Definitely a lot of adventure in it, but
a very interesting, you know, psychologically kind of scary bend
(06:07):
that they took with this. I found myself wondering if
there was any gamble left or if it was really
just I think it was just the the Vesda. Yeah,
I think basically, I think it was just kind of
laying in weight and using his memories, using his personality
(06:30):
as kind of like a suit that it was wearing
around to be able to get back on board. But
clearly it used it to great effect to mess with
a manga because it was getting into his head, getting
into his daughter, which is obviously kind of a big
parallel they drew with this to kind of tap into
his feelings as a father.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah. I had that same feeling too. I wasn't sure
if there was anything of gamble left that I felt.
It was the the Vespit like playing with him, you know,
trying to trick him. That's that's exactly the vibe, the
feeling I got, I.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Know, when he was when he was running the test,
when he first got him in the medical bay and
put that thing on his eyes to try to you know,
get his eyes to come back. And then when he
tried to do the reading and nothing was reading, and
then he goes and says the let me do that again. Basically,
you know, he he was dead. You know, that's that's
the creature that's taken over his body. But you know,
(07:27):
I remember when I first saw the episode about the
Boorg when back in the Next Generation, and you got
that that feeling, that imposing doom that you had through
the whole episode. I had that in this episode, did
you guys?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, I felt that too. Week. Well, first of all,
we've got a what could possibly be an all new
villain for Star Trek, and I'm really glad that they've
done this, you know, rather than just you know, bring
back the more familiar ones, we got something new that
can that feels like it can be really explored and
really established. There could be something big here coming up.
(08:06):
I mean, we may be seen the beginning of the
storyline for the rest of the series. Who knows. But yeah,
I'm extra excited the fact that they did this. But
it did feel that way. It felt like something big
is coming from this, and I have my it's more
than a theory. I'm I get something later. I want
to ask you guys to see if you guys caught Okay, well.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I mean even Pellia you know when she gives that
little speech there at the end, like you know this
is like pure evil.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know, didn't that remind you of Gynan when she
gave the card the warning about the board, Yap.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's exactly what it was. And I had that feeling
all over again, and it was just it. I got
chilled when when she gave that, of course she wanted
to repeat you need to repeat it again for the camera.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, and that's one of the things, like such a
thing into like either she had like a twinge of
seriousness to that or that she was trying to be
like hype were dramatic and then do you want me
to do one for the camera?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, that was that was Carol Kane Gold.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah absolutely, Speaking of that, Wayne, I want to go
back to something you had said a few episodes ago.
I think you're right we're going to get a documentary
episode because I think this was the setup for that.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's I'm I think I read somewhere it has been
confirmed that that episode that we thought was a documentary
is a documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It is that good deal. I'm looking forward to that
one because I like what they did in this episode
with with Helm, you know, I thought that was unique
and something start Tuk really hasn't done, to be honest
with you, So it's been kind of interesting to see
that angle. But anyway, you know, back to this episode,
there was there was some humor in this not a lot,
(09:46):
but I think they really couldn't do that because what
did the subject they were dealing with here, and obviously
pressed for time obviously, you know, you have only so much,
so many minutes to tell a story, but you know,
what's going on in the what's going on in the temple,
all that kind of thing. I thought it was very
well balanced.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, they did a great job of managing time
between the two and just enough intrigue. Like it's really
kind of a trippy concept, that quantum instability and being
in the same place but on different planes of existence
at the same time. I wasn't quite sure the explanation
(10:25):
for how the camera could see all three phases at once,
but then I put the nifty three k switch on
way and then just said just relaxed, enjoy the episode.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I thought that was rather odd too, and they didn't
explain anything about it. I'm wondering if they do that
on purpose or not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I don't know. And then let's talk about Patel,
the gorny inside of her, recognizing this creature that was
in Gamble, and then you get this incredible fight. I'm
going to go ahead eight. I don't know if they
did it on purpose, but did you notice when Batell
(11:03):
was swinging, there's almost like Gorn from the original Star
Trek how he how she? I thought that, Yes, it
looked like that. I don't know if I think that was,
but I think it was. I think it was intended
because it was I I noticed the same thing. Yeah,
that was so cool. I'm like, holy crap, are they
doing this? And but no, the whole sequence man, where
(11:25):
I mean, she just goes crazy. Obviously, the Gorn takes
takes her over, and they obviously have to calm her down.
But kind of the insidance that we had when Spock
was mind melding with her and he kind of got
that too. But I thought that was a really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Scene and obviously obviously these Vasda are mortal enemies of
the Gorn. Yeah, you know, it's a nice little establishment
about you know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely Q guy vibes in that, like
this deep seated hate for each other. I think it's
beautiful how they're creating language in this episode for that
fight scene, but also the character of Angel, and I
(12:15):
think Ish Morris did a fantastic job with that character,
even though it was a minor character, kind of slipping
in and out of language that's familiar. So it's interesting
to see, Like I'm watching it with subtitles on, and
I can see kind of the language they're using. I
wasn't able to dissect it too much, but it seems
(12:37):
like there's some interesting specific use of language that they
have there between the two. It also kind of made
me think of when Spock looks at one of the
orbs and sees kind of that that same Gorn head
kind of pop out of them or pop out at him.
(12:57):
What I found interesting though, was that it seemed like
it was more of a memory than something new. Yes,
so I wonder if that orb was kind of like
we saw with Gamble, it's kind of tapping into something
inside of him or kind of hitchhiking in his memories
more than showing him something new.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, let me throw this at you guys, because I'm
not sure if you noticed this or not. And this
may put a complete different perspective of everything here too.
Remember a few episodes back, on the episode of Wedding
Bell Blues with Churlaine Charlaine. Now, keep in mind the
planet that they're on right now, it was Vaddy and nine.
(13:38):
Charlaine mentioned and nine as their whole old home world.
And if Trelaine is part of the que continuum and
this is their old home world, we you know, these
could be evil Q. This are what they used to be.
This we could be getting an origin story for.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The que oh my.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But they did that on I mean, it's definitely on
purpose that that those planets were mentioned that would be
deep So, I mean, that's that's a good question. Are
the are the Vasda the original versions of the Q
You know it opens so much like I said, this
story this could be the beginning of the storyline that's
going to be for the rest of the second half
of the series.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I think I think what we saw in this
episode is going to be our cliffhanger for this year,
because we know it's not gonna be the Gorn again.
I think this alien is going to be the rest
of the season or at least pop in here and
there until the finale, and the finale will be this
That's my guess.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So two things to build on that. Number One, Wayne
loved that idea. I totally got some of those like
evil Q vibes when Pelia was talking about it. It
could be interesting that these versions of Q can be
imprisoned or that they have to hitchhike in some way
that they have to kind of you know, possess someone
(15:01):
else to get anywhere. But also kind of interesting to
think about if this is the villain that's going to
cause the cliffhanger for this season. It feels like there
might be a possibility that they have to wake up
the Gordon that they just put to sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Oh oh man, oh that would be That would be
a good guess, an interesting twist to the story.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, because of the only one that knows any kind
of like actual connection or history to them is you know,
whatever's happening with Pattel.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And along with that, Speaking of Patel, Pike may have
to let her go. He may have to allow her
to become whatever she's becoming in order to fight this
creature to save the Federation.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, I have a feeling is a big heartbreak coming
for him.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, that's my theory too, that she's not going to
make it to the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
No.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Man, that's gonna be some heavy stuff that we're going
to deal with this season.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Which is a shame because she's an amazing character.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes, absolutely. Speaking of amazing, how about Chris Myer's performance
as Gamble, and not just as Gamble but as the
creature too. The way he was able to turn it
off and on off and on off and on like
a switch. I thought his performance in this was phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
It definitely deserves recognition because I mean, I don't know
whether it's CG or how they kind.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Of apply the.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Whatever was happening with his eyes to show them like gone.
But yeah, the way that he uses like subtle tilts
in his head kind of Michael Myers kind of thing. Yep,
it was really really well done. It kind of straddled
the line between ultra creepy and pity, like you're feeling
sorry for Gamble at the same time that you were,
you know, wanting to get the heck away from whatever
(16:50):
that is the thing was.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But she didn't know what was going on yet. In
my opinion, I really didn't know, like I said before,
whether they were just playing tricks or if it really
was gamble there, which if it was Gamble, that's even
more tragic than what it would be without. I mean,
you know that uh, Pellia shot him and and you know,
killed him. I could understand her shooting if if if
(17:13):
it really wasn't him, but if he was still in there.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh and you know, speaking of that scene, that right
there proved Mimbinga is not the monster that he thinks
he is because he did not pull the trigger. He
held off because he thought that was gamble and he
was not sure what is going on. And obviously Pellia
had to step in and shoot from behind. But that
(17:39):
just proved right there, from Mimbanga saying that he's a monster,
he can he's not.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
He's not, no, yeah for sure, yeah, yeah, And I
mean I feel so bad for him because it's a
it's a the way that it ended as kind of
a horrible perversion of what was happening with his with Rookia,
with his daughter, that now there's something being kept in
the transport buffer that is inherently evil that they want
to get rid of, versus something that's you know, the
(18:06):
kind of a paragon of love, like, you know, something
precious you'd want to keep.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So do you think when first off, Portman being has
to call the parents of Gamble at the end of
this episode to let him know that he's gone, But
the monitor behind him when it starts flickering and stuff
like that, So do you think it's the creature or
do you think it's Gamble? Or I think it's the
(18:34):
creature too. It's it's like infesting the ship.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
But that's that's an interesting point, I mean, interesting thing
you brought up there. I mean, it could. I mean,
we may not have seen the end of Gamble, I know,
you know, really we really don't know. I mean, you know,
was he there, is he still part of the consciousness
or or what was he? Did he die with his body?
Who knows? But we definitely have not seen the end
(18:58):
of these aliens.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So something that just came to mind, there's almost kind
of like a Cybock element to these things, is there not,
in the sense that he has that kind of empathic
ability to tap into somebody's deepest pain, like taps into
a mango with Rakia, taps into Rex's mother. I think
(19:32):
it is, But it all it seems to be this
kind of reading ability that somebody uses as almost a
gateway to get inside.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Did you literally get to bring fun in the Frontier into.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This I did?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Wasn't there kind of a didn't somebody like dangle a
Karen of Yes? Never actually materialized?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, they're still talking about it, just hasn't happened yet. Yeah, Okay,
I hope they do. Come on, give some, give some
our trak five.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Love years Sybock love a phrase you never thought you'd hear.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, not at all. I feel dirty even thinking about
hearing it. But no, I mean these are all good questions, man.
I mean, this episode really makes you think that they
did a fantastic job with forcing you to use your
imagination in this.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well, let me just want to come back. I mean,
I want to see what's happening next.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, what if what if Sybok was a Vezda all along? Oh,
come on now, possibility like his brother never had those
powers but then shows up with his ability to read
people and take them to the ends of the earth
to unimprison God from some kind of God planet.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Maybe a stretch.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I don't know. That's a q always thought he was God.
And if the vesda's already early cues, they may have
been looking for God.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
There might be something to that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
My brain hurts even thinking about that.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Too much for one day. All right, let's get back
on the high.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Good creep. I never thought of you talking about talking
about Star Trek five tonight in this episode. But here
we are.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Here, we are.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Scott, quit it. No, it's it's good. It's good, good talk,
good discussions. I like I like that anything else in
this episode, you guys. First off, I want to say,
and I hope our producers listening to this again, I
want these jackets. I love that Away Mission jacket. Those
were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
They are they are cool. I love those two very
cool look for them.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I was like, man, they look awesome in those I
would wonder them in that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I mean, I know it's pretty early, but I mean
they make reproductions of everything else. So I could see
some one of the companies making this, and I could
also see them taking some of my money to get one.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I will be buying that jacket if they do make it,
so paramount. If you're listening, put that on your store
because I want it. Yeah, with the star Trek logo
on it coming, I mean that with the not to Strugloge,
but the emblem of Starfleet. That's what I want on
there too. So yeah, absolutely it must have been cold
or something, because I mean where they were filming, obviously
(22:04):
they were on location that was not a set, so
which I like that too it because it feels so real,
so tangible that they're actually using a location somewhere. I
really wish they would do more of that instead of
all the CGI stuff that we get.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think that's where the Stargate fives came from because
in every episode that they always looked like when they
were filming in Canada, it was always looked like it
was freaking cold, so.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Here we go, and it probably was that it was,
you know, because that's why they were in the jackets.
But yeah, they looked fantastic. They really did. They did
what else you guys got for this episode, anything that
really stuck out to you that you loved. We talked
about a lot of stuff here, so.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Well, one thing I want to ask, so, speaking of
the cave prism, since we're there, did they technically leave
it unlocked?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
No? It shut? Yeah, it did show okay, because Chapel
did the blood things, so someone else would have to
do that again to open it. From what I would understand.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, because the signet ring went way out to Polaris
nine or whatever. H the tablet had been disconnected, so
theoretically all those VESDA were imprisoned. And I just kept
thinking about when Krby looks back at that, you know,
like you said, the Indiana Jones vibe like leave it,
leave it alone, Indiana, let it go, but almost like
(23:15):
shouldn't we shut this off?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I guess it's fine, but.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It clothes, We're good, it's locked, all right, let it go,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
The only thing I want to add is, you know,
even though I was really sad to see Gamble die,
I think, but I really like the idea of them
exploring the death of a secondary character and the implications
the you know, the emotions from it. We don't see
that very much on Star Trek. You know, usually you know,
you follow the main cast and you know they're not
(23:47):
going to die, and most of the time stuff for Jetzia.
But you know, seeing that, you know, I think they
did that in the next Generation one lower decks. They
did it on lower decks. Yeah, yeah, And I like
that because unfortunately death follows the Enterprise a lot, and
many times we don't see the the the consequences of it.
(24:09):
It's nice that they explore that, although it's sad that
it was that character.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was rough to to lose him like that,
because I mean he was an innocent he really was. Yeah,
he was green, he was a rookie, and you know,
obviously he should have touched what he touched.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And his first way mission to port.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, that makes it even rougher, man, it really does.
And you know, and men being is gonna beat himself
up for this, just something else the poor guy needs
on his conscience, right, but well, it is what it is. Unfortunately, right,
we don't know. We haven't seen the next five episodes.
We could see something weird happening coming up, we don't know.
All right, Well, let's talk about which characters shine the most.
(24:50):
I'll let Scott go first.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Uh, there were so many of them in this one.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I I'm going to give it to ends in Gamble.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who good joy.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, Like, I'm looking at the roster and I'm like, well,
Chapel had great moments, but her had some great moments,
and Benga had some great moments that Heel had some
great moments, Pelly had some great moments. But you know,
give it to the one that we're probably not going
to see again.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yep, Wayne, what about you?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, You're You're absolutely right. I mean, there are so
many of them had great moments, and I want to
choose Pellia or your Her, but I'm going to say
Gamble to our specifically the actor that played Gamble. He
shined because his performance was really phenomenal. I mean, you know,
we what two appearances and we really like him and
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we were sad that he's gone. That's pretty impressive, and
you know those scenes with him switching back and forth,
which is incredibly acted. So I'm I'm going to give
it to the actor that played Gamble.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm gonna agree with both of you. It is definitely
antot Gamble. By the time I got to this episode.
I knew right away that was my answer to this question.
But one of the things I really want to point
out about him is the joy that he has in him.
And it kind of touched base on that earlier. But
he is the epitome of the nurse that you would
want if you were in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Correct, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because sure he loves his job. He loves what
he does, and he loves where he's at. So and
he just it bubbles out of him. He can't help
it because that's who he is. And I love that
very much. Like as soon as it opened up on him,
I knew where it was going, but it just made
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you feel good. He really did. He was warm, inviting,
and I don't care who you are, if you're in
a bad mood, you're going to mean a great mood
when you're around him all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
So I think we get kind of a one two
punch there for Gamble on his own. Absolutely, when you're
giving those descriptions, it feels like a proto Chapel.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, because when we.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Were first introduced to her, same kind of things, like
the way that she's talking about like I'm just gonna
mess around with your DNA a little bit and she
winks like then you knew what kind of character she
was going to be. And I think for a Benga
seeing you know, the successor to Chapel or kind of
the replacement for Chapel, being a similar kind of person,
but distinctly his own character.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Had to feel good.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, that's kind of guy that a Benga would
trust in his in his sick bay.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So yeah, good point, good point. So if you be
any character in this episode, who would it be? And why?
Wayne you go?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
First?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Well, there's a lot of trauma going on in this episode,
so I'm gonna definitely want to be Gamble. I'm gonna
say Scottie because he seemed to come out of it
the best, I guess, the at least, you know, he
didn't have to go through all the emotional terminal and
then he gets got to capture the alien at the
end and come up with a solution of trapping him.
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But I'm way to get adding quotes because I don't
think he did the job completely.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Nope, he didn't, scott What about you?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
For me, it would have been hur uh.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Because she had to be like a kid in a
candy store, seeing all different kinds of languages to have
to translate, and you know, things like that. I used
to love Lee did a Superheroes trying to translate interlack,
you know, as you were kind of going, so I
can I can empathize with that kind of situation, Say
what about you?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
For me, I'm saying far away from that awave mission
as possible. So I'm gonna be Una because well she
gets to hang back and just be a kind of
a voice or reason and not be in any conflict
or danger. So I'm good with that.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yep, I do have a question, and I know that well,
if they had done that, it would have been much
of an episode or whatever. But as they were standing
there waiting for the platform, they had to do that
leap of faith and other Indiana Jones and the Last
Crusade kind of reference. You have a big group standing there, right,
and they all have to be connected to chapel, right,
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So is there a reason they didn't do like safety
patrol and just have everybody hold hands. So when she
takes that leap of faith, that's like, okay, she's good,
and if she's not good, we still have all these
people holding you like a tug of war.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I don't know that would make sense, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I was just like, what's the big deal? Everybody hold
hands and she takes a leap of faith.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's just Spock getting his revenge.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, dang dark spot there? All right?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Ye, all right? So this is a I know Wayne's
favorite part ether eggs. Wayne, what do you got? Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Not too many this time. They were busy with storyline.
But Dana Amill mentions Korby's work on molecular memory and
corporeal transference. That ties very nicely into Corby's appearance in
the original series What are Little Girls Made Of? And
how Krby discovers that ancient machine that creates androids that
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can copy your brain. They're leading that direction with him.
I had a little fun, although it was really hard
to see some of the names on that map in
the conference room, I was able to pick up a
couple of names, uh, some interesting ones. One was Trible Prime.
I mean, I'm assuming that's the home world the Tribles,
but I didn't even know they had a home world,
(30:36):
So you know, I can understand a reason why they
call it Trible Prime. But I did see let's see
you guys, you guys recognize this name? The London cor
London Core. Yeah, sounds familiar, doesn't it. That's the planet
where Geordie LaForge ended up trapped with that romulent in
the Ectionarian episode The Tername. Yeah, there were a lot
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of other names on there, but those are the two
that that stuck out the most for me. Now, pick
Dana Gamble mentions that he's been serving on the Enterprise
for six months. That means that it's been roughly three
months since the episode Wedding Bell Blues. And finally, Will
Scotty traps that captured a Vasda in the Transporter of
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Buffers or as he calls it, nowhere. That was very
familiar because he'll use that same trick to save himself
on the USS Jane Nolan before it crashes into the
Diceon Sphere in the episode Relics. That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Good catches on those man, Wow, those went right over
my head. Impressive. Well, what do we see you next week?
They're really secretly of about episodes that are coming out,
which I like.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well, we did get a description of the next episode.
I was actually rather surprised to see this. Let me
read it to you. Kirk's first day as captain descends
into chaos when the Enterprise is captured by a Scavenger ship. Well, okay,
I notn't say much, but you know, there it is.
Which is interesting, isn't that? The next episode is the
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Sailout who Ate His Tail?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Okay, that does not sound like a Kirk epis.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, it doesn't not at all.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, we're gonna finally get see Kirk in charge for
a little bit of here, so that's gonna be kind
of interesting to see. Yeah, I'm sure we'll see him
in some Scottie stuff, I would hope.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, I mean, I think we kind of know where
this is leaning. We've already talked in this episode what
we think the season is going.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think it's clear that this is taking over the
rest of the story of the season, along with Buttell
still fighting, you know, becoming whatever she's becoming with the Gorn. Yeah, which,
I think that's all going to come to a head,
all of it at the finale, is my my belief in.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
It sounds like it's going to be a good finale.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Though, yes, it does Thankfully they've alreay filmed season four
so we don't have to wait a couple of years.
And you know, I know we'll get it next year,
but at least we got something to look forward to.
We get some kind of date and not really a
date date, but you know what I mean, it'll be
something next summer.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, it'll be nice, Yes, absolutely, all right. Well, thank
you listeners for hanging out with us as we talk
on the bridge about strange new worlds. Wayne Scott, thank
you so much for joining me as always. Yes, yep,
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
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I'm David Burns.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whited.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I shall go ahead and give our normal red alert
to our listeners. If you are not caught up with
the series, please go do so, as there are spoilers ahead,
and big spoilers ahead. I might say from this episode, Captain,
We're going to need a bigger landing party. Well, gentlemen,
we are halfway through the season already. With Strange New
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World Season three, with episode five, through the Lens of Time,
I got to tell you I had original vibes in
this episode of Star Trek. I really really did throughout
this and I don't know if you guys would agree
with me, but I also had star Tek Stargate vibes
in this episode.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, I did too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't know if it was just where they were
shooting or what it was, but I mean, obviously they're
dealing with ancient history and stuff like that, like ancient
aliens and stuff like that. But you know, I just
I had that vibe going on with this.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I was kind of picking up a little bit of
a D.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And D vibe. Okay, I could see that ten times. Yeah,
I definitely cold get that. There's a lot of vibe
going on in this episode.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I got an Indiana Jones vibe.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
All right, looks like we were getting all kinds of vibes. Well,
before we move into our different planes of existence, let's
keep our communication lines open and Wayne tell our listeners
what this episode is all about.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The Enterprise is at VDF nine to explore an ancient
site discovered by Corby and Chapel. While exploring the temple,
a glowing orb explodes in the face of medical assistant
Dana Gamble, and he is transported back to the ship
just as the others become trapped within, the away team
discovers that the temple was built as a prison for
extra dimensional parasitic alien beings called the Vesda. Meanwhile, Gamble
(02:45):
appears to be possessed by one of the ancient and
non Kaporia Vesta and takes Ma, Benga, Scottie, and Pelia
hostage while attempting to take over the ship.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
First off, thank you Pelia for deciding to join the
Rule back time. It is about time pleasant to have
her with the crew, getting the humor that we get
from her. She has a few good laughs in this episode,
and it was it was fun to have. But I
gotta tell you, guys, the way this episode opened, I'm like,
(03:16):
oh God, goodbye Nerve Gamble. I just knew it. Yep,
I knew when when they started the way they did.
I'm like, man, we didn't get to know you, buddy,
but it was nice.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, that was pretty obvious when it. I got that
same feeling too, Yeah, I mean I really.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Liked his character. Man, I wanted to get to know
him more. I feel kind of cheated. I mean, there
is something that happens at the end with the screen
behind mem Benga. I don't know if that's related that
we may get something else from I don't know, But
I don't know about you guys, but I feel really
cheated with Gamble.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah I did too. I wish, you know, we'll see
we're five episodes in. I wish we had seen him
in more the episodes. I mean, I liked him. I
remember even when we first saw him a couple episodes ago,
mentioning that that I really liked the interaction. That they
had the idea that they were introducing these secondary kids
cast members, but I had no idea they were introducing
him just to kill him off. And I kind of
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wish that they would have developed him a little bit more,
maybe put him in, you know, two or three more episodes.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, it seemed like there could have been more runway
to make more of a connection with him Benga on.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
More of a personal level.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
There was a little bit of a time when I
thought we were going to lose Am Benga as well,
when he says take me, and I'm like, oh God,
please don't another personal Gamble like you know, would love
to see to stay around.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But yeah, it's too soon.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I just I liked his interaction with everybody that he had.
He had this this excitement, this youth that you get
that anybody who's brand new on the job, but you
could really feel the excitement in him when he you know,
he's on the enterprise, which is a t He knew that,
and you know, I think even says that, you know
that he was excited to be able to save the
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enterprise that he's working on, and and the relationship that
he had with Membinga, it was almost like a father
and son almost kind of thing. And it was almost
to the point that you know when when he hugged him, remember, uh,
he was almost backed off a little bit because he's like, oh,
I shouldn't do this. You know, you're you're my commander basically,
not in those words, but you know, that's exactly what
(05:26):
it was. And just it was like a little kid
when he realized he was going in the away mission.
And I absolutely loved that. And I'm like, well, you
must have been wearing a red shirt because we all
know where this is going. But it's just and then
when his eyes get taken out, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That was pretty gory.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That was that was pretty gory for Star trek. Yeah,
but it definitely set the right tone for the whole episode.
I mean it was more horror than I think I
was expecting. Definitely a lot of adventure in it, but
a very interesting, you know, psychologically kind of scary bend
(06:07):
that they took with this. I found myself wondering if
there was any gamble left or if it was really
just I think it was just the the Vesda. Yeah,
I think basically, I think it was just kind of
laying in weight and using his memories, using his personality
(06:30):
as kind of like a suit that it was wearing
around to be able to get back on board. But
clearly it used it to great effect to mess with
a manga because it was getting into his head, getting
into his daughter, which is obviously kind of a big
parallel they drew with this to kind of tap into
his feelings as a father.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah. I had that same feeling too. I wasn't sure
if there was anything of gamble left that I felt.
It was the the Vespit like playing with him, you know,
trying to trick him. That's that's exactly the vibe, the
feeling I got, I.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Know, when he was when he was running the test,
when he first got him in the medical bay and
put that thing on his eyes to try to you know,
get his eyes to come back. And then when he
tried to do the reading and nothing was reading, and
then he goes and says the let me do that again. Basically,
you know, he he was dead. You know, that's that's
the creature that's taken over his body. But you know,
(07:27):
I remember when I first saw the episode about the
Boorg when back in the Next Generation, and you got
that that feeling, that imposing doom that you had through
the whole episode. I had that in this episode, did
you guys?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, I felt that too. Week. Well, first of all,
we've got a what could possibly be an all new
villain for Star Trek, and I'm really glad that they've
done this, you know, rather than just you know, bring
back the more familiar ones, we got something new that
can that feels like it can be really explored and
really established. There could be something big here coming up.
(08:06):
I mean, we may be seen the beginning of the
storyline for the rest of the series. Who knows. But yeah,
I'm extra excited the fact that they did this. But
it did feel that way. It felt like something big
is coming from this, and I have my it's more
than a theory. I'm I get something later. I want
to ask you guys to see if you guys caught Okay, well.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I mean even Pellia you know when she gives that
little speech there at the end, like you know this
is like pure evil.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know, didn't that remind you of Gynan when she
gave the card the warning about the board, Yap.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's exactly what it was. And I had that feeling
all over again, and it was just it. I got
chilled when when she gave that, of course she wanted
to repeat you need to repeat it again for the camera.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, and that's one of the things, like such a
thing into like either she had like a twinge of
seriousness to that or that she was trying to be
like hype were dramatic and then do you want me
to do one for the camera?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, that was that was Carol Kane Gold.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah absolutely, Speaking of that, Wayne, I want to go
back to something you had said a few episodes ago.
I think you're right we're going to get a documentary
episode because I think this was the setup for that.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's I'm I think I read somewhere it has been
confirmed that that episode that we thought was a documentary
is a documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It is that good deal. I'm looking forward to that
one because I like what they did in this episode
with with Helm, you know, I thought that was unique
and something start Tuk really hasn't done, to be honest
with you, So it's been kind of interesting to see
that angle. But anyway, you know, back to this episode,
there was there was some humor in this not a lot,
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but I think they really couldn't do that because what
did the subject they were dealing with here, and obviously
pressed for time obviously, you know, you have only so much,
so many minutes to tell a story, but you know,
what's going on in the what's going on in the temple,
all that kind of thing. I thought it was very
well balanced.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, they did a great job of managing time
between the two and just enough intrigue. Like it's really
kind of a trippy concept, that quantum instability and being
in the same place but on different planes of existence
at the same time. I wasn't quite sure the explanation
(10:25):
for how the camera could see all three phases at once,
but then I put the nifty three k switch on
way and then just said just relaxed, enjoy the episode.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I thought that was rather odd too, and they didn't
explain anything about it. I'm wondering if they do that
on purpose or not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I don't know. And then let's talk about Patel,
the gorny inside of her, recognizing this creature that was
in Gamble, and then you get this incredible fight. I'm
going to go ahead eight. I don't know if they
did it on purpose, but did you notice when Batell
(11:03):
was swinging, there's almost like Gorn from the original Star
Trek how he how she? I thought that, Yes, it
looked like that. I don't know if I think that was,
but I think it was. I think it was intended
because it was I I noticed the same thing. Yeah,
that was so cool. I'm like, holy crap, are they
doing this? And but no, the whole sequence man, where
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I mean, she just goes crazy. Obviously, the Gorn takes
takes her over, and they obviously have to calm her down.
But kind of the insidance that we had when Spock
was mind melding with her and he kind of got
that too. But I thought that was a really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Scene and obviously obviously these Vasda are mortal enemies of
the Gorn. Yeah, you know, it's a nice little establishment
about you know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely Q guy vibes in that, like
this deep seated hate for each other. I think it's
beautiful how they're creating language in this episode for that
fight scene, but also the character of Angel, and I
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think Ish Morris did a fantastic job with that character,
even though it was a minor character, kind of slipping
in and out of language that's familiar. So it's interesting
to see, Like I'm watching it with subtitles on, and
I can see kind of the language they're using. I
wasn't able to dissect it too much, but it seems
(12:37):
like there's some interesting specific use of language that they
have there between the two. It also kind of made
me think of when Spock looks at one of the
orbs and sees kind of that that same Gorn head
kind of pop out of them or pop out at him.
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What I found interesting though, was that it seemed like
it was more of a memory than something new. Yes,
so I wonder if that orb was kind of like
we saw with Gamble, it's kind of tapping into something
inside of him or kind of hitchhiking in his memories
more than showing him something new.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, let me throw this at you guys, because I'm
not sure if you noticed this or not. And this
may put a complete different perspective of everything here too.
Remember a few episodes back, on the episode of Wedding
Bell Blues with Churlaine Charlaine. Now, keep in mind the
planet that they're on right now, it was Vaddy and nine.
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Charlaine mentioned and nine as their whole old home world.
And if Trelaine is part of the que continuum and
this is their old home world, we you know, these
could be evil Q. This are what they used to be.
This we could be getting an origin story for.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The que oh my.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But they did that on I mean, it's definitely on
purpose that that those planets were mentioned that would be
deep So, I mean, that's that's a good question. Are
the are the Vasda the original versions of the Q
You know it opens so much like I said, this
story this could be the beginning of the storyline that's
going to be for the rest of the second half
of the series.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I think I think what we saw in this
episode is going to be our cliffhanger for this year,
because we know it's not gonna be the Gorn again.
I think this alien is going to be the rest
of the season or at least pop in here and
there until the finale, and the finale will be this
That's my guess.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So two things to build on that. Number One, Wayne
loved that idea. I totally got some of those like
evil Q vibes when Pelia was talking about it. It
could be interesting that these versions of Q can be
imprisoned or that they have to hitchhike in some way
that they have to kind of you know, possess someone
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else to get anywhere. But also kind of interesting to
think about if this is the villain that's going to
cause the cliffhanger for this season. It feels like there
might be a possibility that they have to wake up
the Gordon that they just put to sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Oh oh man, oh that would be That would be
a good guess, an interesting twist to the story.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, because of the only one that knows any kind
of like actual connection or history to them is you know,
whatever's happening with Pattel.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And along with that, Speaking of Patel, Pike may have
to let her go. He may have to allow her
to become whatever she's becoming in order to fight this
creature to save the Federation.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, I have a feeling is a big heartbreak coming
for him.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, that's my theory too, that she's not going to
make it to the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
No.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Man, that's gonna be some heavy stuff that we're going
to deal with this season.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Which is a shame because she's an amazing character.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes, absolutely. Speaking of amazing, how about Chris Myer's performance
as Gamble, and not just as Gamble but as the
creature too. The way he was able to turn it
off and on off and on off and on like
a switch. I thought his performance in this was phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
It definitely deserves recognition because I mean, I don't know
whether it's CG or how they kind.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Of apply the.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Whatever was happening with his eyes to show them like gone.
But yeah, the way that he uses like subtle tilts
in his head kind of Michael Myers kind of thing. Yep,
it was really really well done. It kind of straddled
the line between ultra creepy and pity, like you're feeling
sorry for Gamble at the same time that you were,
you know, wanting to get the heck away from whatever
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that is the thing was.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But she didn't know what was going on yet. In
my opinion, I really didn't know, like I said before,
whether they were just playing tricks or if it really
was gamble there, which if it was Gamble, that's even
more tragic than what it would be without. I mean,
you know that uh, Pellia shot him and and you know,
killed him. I could understand her shooting if if if
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it really wasn't him, but if he was still in there.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh and you know, speaking of that scene, that right
there proved Mimbinga is not the monster that he thinks
he is because he did not pull the trigger. He
held off because he thought that was gamble and he
was not sure what is going on. And obviously Pellia
had to step in and shoot from behind. But that
(17:39):
just proved right there, from Mimbanga saying that he's a monster,
he can he's not.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
He's not, no, yeah for sure, yeah, yeah, And I
mean I feel so bad for him because it's a
it's a the way that it ended as kind of
a horrible perversion of what was happening with his with Rookia,
with his daughter, that now there's something being kept in
the transport buffer that is inherently evil that they want
to get rid of, versus something that's you know, the
(18:06):
kind of a paragon of love, like, you know, something
precious you'd want to keep.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So do you think when first off, Portman being has
to call the parents of Gamble at the end of
this episode to let him know that he's gone, But
the monitor behind him when it starts flickering and stuff
like that, So do you think it's the creature or
do you think it's Gamble? Or I think it's the
(18:34):
creature too. It's it's like infesting the ship.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
But that's that's an interesting point, I mean, interesting thing
you brought up there. I mean, it could. I mean,
we may not have seen the end of Gamble, I know,
you know, really we really don't know. I mean, you know,
was he there, is he still part of the consciousness
or or what was he? Did he die with his body?
Who knows? But we definitely have not seen the end
(18:58):
of these aliens.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So something that just came to mind, there's almost kind
of like a Cybock element to these things, is there not,
in the sense that he has that kind of empathic
ability to tap into somebody's deepest pain, like taps into
a mango with Rakia, taps into Rex's mother. I think
(19:32):
it is, But it all it seems to be this
kind of reading ability that somebody uses as almost a
gateway to get inside.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Did you literally get to bring fun in the Frontier into.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This I did?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Wasn't there kind of a didn't somebody like dangle a
Karen of Yes? Never actually materialized?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, they're still talking about it, just hasn't happened yet. Yeah, Okay,
I hope they do. Come on, give some, give some
our trak five.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Love years Sybock love a phrase you never thought you'd hear.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, not at all. I feel dirty even thinking about
hearing it. But no, I mean these are all good questions, man.
I mean, this episode really makes you think that they
did a fantastic job with forcing you to use your
imagination in this.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Well, let me just want to come back. I mean,
I want to see what's happening next.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, what if what if Sybok was a Vezda all along? Oh,
come on now, possibility like his brother never had those
powers but then shows up with his ability to read
people and take them to the ends of the earth
to unimprison God from some kind of God planet.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Maybe a stretch.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I don't know. That's a q always thought he was God.
And if the vesda's already early cues, they may have
been looking for God.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
There might be something to that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
My brain hurts even thinking about that.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Too much for one day. All right, let's get back
on the high.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Good creep. I never thought of you talking about talking
about Star Trek five tonight in this episode. But here
we are.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Here, we are.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Scott, quit it. No, it's it's good. It's good, good talk,
good discussions. I like I like that anything else in
this episode, you guys. First off, I want to say,
and I hope our producers listening to this again, I
want these jackets. I love that Away Mission jacket. Those
were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
They are they are cool. I love those two very
cool look for them.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I was like, man, they look awesome in those I
would wonder them in that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I mean, I know it's pretty early, but I mean
they make reproductions of everything else. So I could see
some one of the companies making this, and I could
also see them taking some of my money to get one.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I will be buying that jacket if they do make it,
so paramount. If you're listening, put that on your store
because I want it. Yeah, with the star Trek logo
on it coming, I mean that with the not to Strugloge,
but the emblem of Starfleet. That's what I want on
there too. So yeah, absolutely it must have been cold
or something, because I mean where they were filming, obviously
(22:04):
they were on location that was not a set, so
which I like that too it because it feels so real,
so tangible that they're actually using a location somewhere. I
really wish they would do more of that instead of
all the CGI stuff that we get.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think that's where the Stargate fives came from because
in every episode that they always looked like when they
were filming in Canada, it was always looked like it
was freaking cold, so.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Here we go, and it probably was that it was,
you know, because that's why they were in the jackets.
But yeah, they looked fantastic. They really did. They did
what else you guys got for this episode, anything that
really stuck out to you that you loved. We talked
about a lot of stuff here, so.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Well, one thing I want to ask, so, speaking of
the cave prism, since we're there, did they technically leave
it unlocked?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
No? It shut? Yeah, it did show okay, because Chapel
did the blood things, so someone else would have to
do that again to open it. From what I would understand.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, because the signet ring went way out to Polaris
nine or whatever. H the tablet had been disconnected, so
theoretically all those VESDA were imprisoned. And I just kept
thinking about when Krby looks back at that, you know,
like you said, the Indiana Jones vibe like leave it,
leave it alone, Indiana, let it go, but almost like
(23:15):
shouldn't we shut this off?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I guess it's fine, but.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It clothes, We're good, it's locked, all right, let it go,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
The only thing I want to add is, you know,
even though I was really sad to see Gamble die,
I think, but I really like the idea of them
exploring the death of a secondary character and the implications
the you know, the emotions from it. We don't see
that very much on Star Trek. You know, usually you know,
you follow the main cast and you know they're not
(23:47):
going to die, and most of the time stuff for Jetzia.
But you know, seeing that, you know, I think they
did that in the next Generation one lower decks. They
did it on lower decks. Yeah, yeah, And I like
that because unfortunately death follows the Enterprise a lot, and
many times we don't see the the the consequences of it.
(24:09):
It's nice that they explore that, although it's sad that
it was that character.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was rough to to lose him like that,
because I mean he was an innocent he really was. Yeah,
he was green, he was a rookie, and you know,
obviously he should have touched what he touched.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And his first way mission to port.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, that makes it even rougher, man, it really does.
And you know, and men being is gonna beat himself
up for this, just something else the poor guy needs
on his conscience, right, but well, it is what it is. Unfortunately, right,
we don't know. We haven't seen the next five episodes.
We could see something weird happening coming up, we don't know.
All right, Well, let's talk about which characters shine the most.
(24:50):
I'll let Scott go first.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Uh, there were so many of them in this one.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I I'm going to give it to ends in Gamble.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Who good joy.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, Like, I'm looking at the roster and I'm like, well,
Chapel had great moments, but her had some great moments,
and Benga had some great moments that Heel had some
great moments, Pelly had some great moments. But you know,
give it to the one that we're probably not going
to see again.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yep, Wayne, what about you?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, You're You're absolutely right. I mean, there are so
many of them had great moments, and I want to
choose Pellia or your Her, but I'm going to say
Gamble to our specifically the actor that played Gamble. He
shined because his performance was really phenomenal. I mean, you know,
we what two appearances and we really like him and
(25:44):
we were sad that he's gone. That's pretty impressive, and
you know those scenes with him switching back and forth,
which is incredibly acted. So I'm I'm going to give
it to the actor that played Gamble.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm gonna agree with both of you. It is definitely
antot Gamble. By the time I got to this episode.
I knew right away that was my answer to this question.
But one of the things I really want to point
out about him is the joy that he has in him.
And it kind of touched base on that earlier. But
he is the epitome of the nurse that you would
want if you were in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Correct, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, because sure he loves his job. He loves what
he does, and he loves where he's at. So and
he just it bubbles out of him. He can't help
it because that's who he is. And I love that
very much. Like as soon as it opened up on him,
I knew where it was going, but it just made
(26:39):
you feel good. He really did. He was warm, inviting,
and I don't care who you are, if you're in
a bad mood, you're going to mean a great mood
when you're around him all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
So I think we get kind of a one two
punch there for Gamble on his own. Absolutely, when you're
giving those descriptions, it feels like a proto Chapel.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, because when we.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Were first introduced to her, same kind of things, like
the way that she's talking about like I'm just gonna
mess around with your DNA a little bit and she
winks like then you knew what kind of character she
was going to be. And I think for a Benga
seeing you know, the successor to Chapel or kind of
the replacement for Chapel, being a similar kind of person,
but distinctly his own character.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Had to feel good.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, that's kind of guy that a Benga would
trust in his in his sick bay.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So yeah, good point, good point. So if you be
any character in this episode, who would it be? And why?
Wayne you go?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
First?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Well, there's a lot of trauma going on in this episode,
so I'm gonna definitely want to be Gamble. I'm gonna
say Scottie because he seemed to come out of it
the best, I guess, the at least, you know, he
didn't have to go through all the emotional terminal and
then he gets got to capture the alien at the
end and come up with a solution of trapping him.
(28:09):
But I'm way to get adding quotes because I don't
think he did the job completely.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Nope, he didn't, scott What about you?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
For me, it would have been hur uh.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Because she had to be like a kid in a
candy store, seeing all different kinds of languages to have
to translate, and you know, things like that. I used
to love Lee did a Superheroes trying to translate interlack,
you know, as you were kind of going, so I
can I can empathize with that kind of situation, Say
what about you?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
For me, I'm saying far away from that awave mission
as possible. So I'm gonna be Una because well she
gets to hang back and just be a kind of
a voice or reason and not be in any conflict
or danger. So I'm good with that.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yep, I do have a question, and I know that well,
if they had done that, it would have been much
of an episode or whatever. But as they were standing
there waiting for the platform, they had to do that
leap of faith and other Indiana Jones and the Last
Crusade kind of reference. You have a big group standing there, right,
and they all have to be connected to chapel, right,
(29:17):
So is there a reason they didn't do like safety
patrol and just have everybody hold hands. So when she
takes that leap of faith, that's like, okay, she's good,
and if she's not good, we still have all these
people holding you like a tug of war.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I don't know that would make sense, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I was just like, what's the big deal? Everybody hold
hands and she takes a leap of faith.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That's just Spock getting his revenge.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, dang dark spot there? All right?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Ye, all right? So this is a I know Wayne's
favorite part ether eggs. Wayne, what do you got? Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Not too many this time. They were busy with storyline.
But Dana Amill mentions Korby's work on molecular memory and
corporeal transference. That ties very nicely into Corby's appearance in
the original series What are Little Girls Made Of? And
how Krby discovers that ancient machine that creates androids that
(30:15):
can copy your brain. They're leading that direction with him.
I had a little fun, although it was really hard
to see some of the names on that map in
the conference room, I was able to pick up a
couple of names, uh, some interesting ones. One was Trible Prime.
I mean, I'm assuming that's the home world the Tribles,
but I didn't even know they had a home world,
(30:36):
So you know, I can understand a reason why they
call it Trible Prime. But I did see let's see
you guys, you guys recognize this name? The London cor
London Core. Yeah, sounds familiar, doesn't it. That's the planet
where Geordie LaForge ended up trapped with that romulent in
the Ectionarian episode The Tername. Yeah, there were a lot
(30:58):
of other names on there, but those are the two
that that stuck out the most for me. Now, pick
Dana Gamble mentions that he's been serving on the Enterprise
for six months. That means that it's been roughly three
months since the episode Wedding Bell Blues. And finally, Will
Scotty traps that captured a Vasda in the Transporter of
(31:18):
Buffers or as he calls it, nowhere. That was very
familiar because he'll use that same trick to save himself
on the USS Jane Nolan before it crashes into the
Diceon Sphere in the episode Relics. That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Good catches on those man, Wow, those went right over
my head. Impressive. Well, what do we see you next week?
They're really secretly of about episodes that are coming out,
which I like.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well, we did get a description of the next episode.
I was actually rather surprised to see this. Let me
read it to you. Kirk's first day as captain descends
into chaos when the Enterprise is captured by a Scavenger ship. Well, okay,
I notn't say much, but you know, there it is.
Which is interesting, isn't that? The next episode is the
(32:05):
Sailout who Ate His Tail?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Okay, that does not sound like a Kirk epis.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, it doesn't not at all.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, we're gonna finally get see Kirk in charge for
a little bit of here, so that's gonna be kind
of interesting to see. Yeah, I'm sure we'll see him
in some Scottie stuff, I would hope.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But I hope so too.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, I mean, I think we kind of know where
this is leaning. We've already talked in this episode what
we think the season is going.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think it's clear that this is taking over the
rest of the story of the season, along with Buttell
still fighting, you know, becoming whatever she's becoming with the Gorn. Yeah, which,
I think that's all going to come to a head,
all of it at the finale, is my my belief in.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
It sounds like it's going to be a good finale.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Though, yes, it does Thankfully they've alreay filmed season four
so we don't have to wait a couple of years.
And you know, I know we'll get it next year,
but at least we got something to look forward to.
We get some kind of date and not really a
date date, but you know what I mean, it'll be
something next summer.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, it'll be nice, Yes, absolutely, all right. Well, thank
you listeners for hanging out with us as we talk
on the bridge about strange new worlds. Wayne Scott, thank
you so much for joining me as always. Yes, yep,
it's always a blast, I'll tell you that. Well. You
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