July 30, 2025 • 34 mins
On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 3, Shuttle to Kenfori.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation
our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,
both new and old, to engage in debate about all
(00:23):
things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.
In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we
continue to show our love for every quadrant of the
expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And much more.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Plotting the course as always is your Core Trek crew.
I'm Scott Hoffmann.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I'm David Byrne, and I'm Wayne Whited.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And in this episode, we're continuing our coverage of the
freshest Trek available with Strange New Worlds Season three. Specifically,
we're going to be covering episode three, Shuttle to Ken forty.
Since it's so new, we're calling for a rent alert
on spoilers, So if you haven't seen this episode, please
go watch and come back to join us when you're
all wrapped up. I just want to take a moment
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to thank both of you, Dave and Wayne for covering
for me while I was on those away missions. There's
lenky away missions looking for weird plans on other planets
made it so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I know eventually eventually.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm also excited to just get back into strange new
worlds after that long two year hiatus between seasons. I
cannot believe it's been that long. We have covered so
much in the meantime, like we didn't drawn into lower
decks after the last.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Season seasons of it.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But I think it's safe to say it's what well
worth the wait.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Both agree, Yep, All right, well let's get right into
it and break it down. Dave, why don't you give
us a summary of what this episode is all about.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
In searching for a cure for Bateel, Pike learns that
a plant known as the Camera Blossom can help, but
a decision must be made that will send them to Confori,
a planet in the Restricted Zone that was greed upon
by the Klingons and the Federation after the war between
them ended. Pike puts together a small aweight team with
just himself and doctor Menbinga. They take a shuttle into
the Restricted Zone and onto Confori, where they quickly become
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trapped by Klingons and what can only be described as zombies.
Pike and Membinga will fight to survive, and a truth
will finally reveal itself while the crew on the Enterprise
does whatever it can.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
To save the two crew members.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
This episode begins to unravel some friendships and shake the
crew to its very core that will change them, possibly forever.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That hits the nail on the head.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
This is definitely I don't know they've used the Z
word very much in Stress non Star Trek, so wigh
and all defer to you first reactions to the first
time we have zombies and Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, I mean it's it's interesting, and I'm glad that
they did something. So, you know, they've been trying a
lot of new stuff and this is definitely new to
Star Trek. You know, I think they did touch a
little bit. There was an episode of Enterprise and I
remember the name of it, but where they did something similar,
but they never said the word zong. It never went
as you know, full force as they did in this episode.
(03:28):
I liked it. I really really liked the episode. I
think you probably liked it more than I do, because
you know how I am with horror films, you know,
so that, you know. I love the episode. It's probably
my my I don't want to say least favorite, but
because I really liked the first two two. It was
a good episode. It was a very good episode. I
liked it because of Ben Benda and his storyline and
his advance smith of that storyline, Dave, what about your
(03:50):
first reactions?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, so we talked about the recap that I was
wondering how long was going to take them to get
to clearing up be under the click of war episode,
and here we are. I thought it was brilliant. I
absolutely love this episode and it's my favorite one of
the seasons so far. And my hat is off to
the writers because I see what they did here. They
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matched train to Poisson with, which is a zombie movie,
and it's a nod to Kinfy from Down to the Dead.
Well done, writers, well done.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I'm so glad you called back to that seventy eight
Donna the Dead.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't get that connection until I was looking it
up and I was like, oh my god, that's Peter
from Donna the Dead, right, Yeah, that's an awesome Eastern
perfect in the perfect Yeah, this episode does so many
different things really really well. I feel like it keeps
the show approachable because you've got this kind of cadence
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of the episodes where it goes from light to heavy, right,
it doesn't take you on one track or the other
too much. It still doesn't agree job to spreading the
love around to different characters because we're not necessarily focusing
on any one or the other more than kind of
in an unbalanced way, and we've got so many characters
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to build on. They always kind of keep it fresh
in that way. They're also just doing a great job
of evolving species that we are being introduced to, but
then ones that we thought we were pretty familiar with,
like the Gordon. They're evolving this species in such an
amazing way. I just can't believe they're able to do
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it this fast without a feeling rushed.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, what amazes me is how they can continue to
just give us more character development in each episode. You
would think that that they would, you know, run dry
with that, but it just they don't. I mean, we
keep going and going going with these characters. There is
so much to unpack in this episode. I mean, yeah,
it's it's a pretty action packed film, you know, with
Star Trek zombies for crying out loud. I literally jumped
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up when I saw that. I said, oh my god,
we got zombies. But you know, we get Eric Ortegas,
who's clearly going through something bad PTSD that's really starting
to infect her job what she does on the Enterprise.
You know, we've got Membinga and Pike relationship here, which
pretty much seems to be okay by the end of
this episode. But then you've got Spock, who I guess
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sees through the eyes of a Gorn, or a Gorn
sees through Spock's eyes. That very is a little crazy
in itself. And then of course Porp Battel is just man.
He is just going through hell and back right now.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, well, I mean it seems like she's going through
physical and mental anguish from whatever has happened with this.
I thought it was kind of interesting, like right before
Spot goes into his Gordon vision and beats up a
poor ensign, they have that kind of shared vision between
them of a type of Gordon we haven't seen yet,
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and I have a feeling that might be where Patel's
character is going.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think, so, yeah, I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know, it'll be interesting to see that. I don't want
it to happen. I don't want like Patel human Gordon hybrid,
although I guess it starts to make sense when we're
kind of getting to what we saw in the original
series where it was this, you know, humanoid lizard person
wearing like a Flintstone's costume or something.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Hopefully weren't get.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
There, but anyway, very interesting, and I think to your point,
we're seeing so much character development with hints of kind
of getting into the effects of war on someone like PTSD,
Like with Ortegas, You're absolutely right, she's got some lingering
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effects of what has happened to her just this season.
But we're also seeing some great callbacks to earlier development,
like when.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
We were in the I forget the name of the episode, but.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The where Pike was seeing the alternate timeline where he
was the captain when they first encountered the Romulans Yip Kirk.
I think there's notes of that Ortegas that we're seeing here, right,
and her history with the Kleon war and how that
kind of affects her judgment and her decisions. Em Benga
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has an amazing, bark amazing development in this one, dealing
with similar kind of things, but in a very different path.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think I feel like they just backed out.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Of the park. I think we all going to agree
on this one about Membinga really stole the show in
this episode.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
This episode shows how complex his character is, and he
is written brilliantly every time he shows up. But this
episode just made him shine. I mean, you could see
the anger in him that he knows he's the assassin
for crying out loud, and he's not hiding that fact anymore, but.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
He keeps it at bay. Obviously he's what he says.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
You know, he only comes out when it's needed, and
he obviously didn't need it that day when he was
fighting her, which is why he didn't kill her.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But god, dang, is his character brilliant.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, the way he's portrayed, the way he's written cover
to cover, I mean, they're they're doing a great job
of giving doctors such amazing roles in this franchise, let
alone in this series, and I'm really glad to see it.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I was also very impressed. There were a lot of
times when it hit me how much we're getting feature
length or feature how do I want to say it?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Like movie quality, cinematic.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Writing, cinematography, special effects score, all the way around. Like
we're getting big I noticed kind of like broader, more
sweeping shots of the bridge, and when they get into horror,
they're not they're not playing it cheap. You can definitely
see how much this has evolved from even just prior
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iterations of track. It's getting, it's making late. You know,
Lightyar jumps ahead in quality.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well even even watching this episode, the sets are gorgeous.
I mean, on on the planet CANFORI and the research
station there, everything just looks beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, you're right.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I mean you can tell they're spending the money on
this show and they're not holding back. You're seeing it
on screen every penny.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, I mean this we talked about this last episode
that you know, this is the result of us getting lower,
lesser seasons, you know, ten ten episodes, is that we
can get these incredible cinematic episodes that just like this one. Yeah.
I love the idea that they're exploring different genres more
than just the you know, the let's go to a planet.
(10:41):
Oh there's an alien type that we usually saw with
Star Trek, all these different you know here we got
the whoror we have we have you know, comedy, we
have side by It's it's it's incredible how the writers
are bringing all these different styles to Star Trek. I
think that's my favorite thing about this series.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And it doesn't it certainly doesn't seem like I mean,
the sets are so ornate and gorgeous. I can't imagine
mothballing it after a year.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Right like they've got.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
There's got to be future in Trek with the quality
and the scale of sets that they have here. I know,
we just saw just recently saw a trailer for Starfleet Academy.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, and it looks like it's going in great directions.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But you know, let's let's pay attention to the fact
that we built this amazing Enterprise and maybe, you know,
come back here as soon as we can exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I don't think they're going to be destroying this this
these sets, especially the bridge. I think they're going to
put this in stories because I don't think this is
going to be the end of our adventures with the Enterprise.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I have a feeling we're going to see some of
our original crew members that take over this ship at
the end of this series. As you know, I'm talking about.
I think we're going to see those actors taking on
those roles. Maybe not in seasons, but I think we're
going to see some specials with them.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I really do some streaming movies kind of like what
they did with Section thirty one. I could see that happening.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I also wanted to just kind of touch on something
you had talked about last time, but I just wanted
to mention the opening for this series for this season
because it's directly relevant to what we're seeing here with
the Klingons. I thought it was very interesting to see
is it a battlecruiser that kind of raises up in
the opening sequence, but I saw so many notes or
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so many hints of lower decks in there. Not that
the comedic nature of it and things like that, obviously,
but the quality and the use of animation for that
opening blows me away, and it just looks beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I hope that's.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Kind of a stepping stone to saying there's going to
be more animation and Tresh's future, because I think that
helps with a lot of different production issues, aside from
the fact that you can get a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of stories out of it. We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And we can only hope.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
We can only hope.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Yeah, did you guys notice some of very humorous lines
from Pike in this episode. I'm telling you there were
some lines that he had me rolling. First off, the
whole zombie thing as he hesitated to call them zombies
right and then and then when Membinga gives the definition
of he goes, that sounds like the Z word, which
was great. And then he followed up later when the
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Klans capture them and he goes, at least you're not
trying to eat us. And then the one that really
got me that I lost it was when he asks
we need weapons and she goes there and stabs him
in the leg and he falls.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
He goes, no, walk right into that one.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, huh.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah, the great lines of this episode.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I love Captain Pike. I mean, it's a joy to
watch him anytime he's on screen. But yeah, when they
give him good lines like that, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Some other favorite moments from this episode. I know there's
a ton, but Wayne, what are some that stood out
to you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
My favorite part of the episode was actually very way
at the end when Ortegas is brought up in front
of Number One and scolded. I mean, I got such
unusual feeling about this storyline. I had mentioned that I
think we're now starting to come into the season storyline,
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and after watching this episode, I'm even more certain that
we are now starting to get elements of what where
this season is heading for, and not just you know,
this character is doing this. As characters doing that, I
think there's going to be some great consequences for some
of these characters. And I think our Tegas is not
going to come out of this looking good at the
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end of the season. That's my prediction, especially after that scene.
But I just absolutely love the scene because I like
the character of Number One and sometimes in some of
the episodes she can be sorely underused, and because I'm
Rebcca Mains such a great actress and she got so
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much great stuff to do this episode, and that scene
just was incredible with the two of them. I love
that bit.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
They're definitely foreshadowing something because when she's getting ready to leave,
she goes she tells her this can't happen again. You
could just feel how ominous that was that something bad
is coming and it's gonna cost It's gonna cost Erica something.
You know it is, and it's that's just how two
weeks she got something big is coming for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And the more this
series goes along, I know, we're only not even quite
halfway through this series, I don't think all these characters
are going to make it you know well, I mean
by the end of the end of the series. And
my eye is right now on her. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I kind of hope that even though it does feel
like it's inevitable that something's going to happen, that it
will you know, cost her her her seat on the bridge.
I'm hoping that it carries out through the end of
the season at least, if not the end of the series,
because I think just having a character have some conflict
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on the bridge. I think we've seen it in the
past with Wharf on Next Generation. We've seen it played
out to great effect on DS nine with Nurse characters
that don't always necessarily agree with command and that kind
of decision point when they have to decide, am I
going to take this action that I think is right?
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Because in some cases that's kind of encouraged or am
I going to just follow orders? And the tension there
is I think what makes the dynamic kind of thrive
on the bridge, even though there are times when she's like,
she's exactly right, like, I can't have you taking actions
that I don't know about, because it's not only compromising
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my command, but it's also putting me in a position
where I don't know what to expect and that can't
really happen. It was very interesting her emotional response to
that too as she was going out. You know, as
she was walking out, it kind of felt like, oh, man,
I was kind of expecting this had happened, but I
maybe she didn't think that it would actually happen, or
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that she was kind of anticipating it maybe kind of
regretting it, but I don't know. The acting and the
dynamics between the two of them was amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Well, I'm glad they went that direction though, because you know,
I was worried that, you know, she was going to
dissobate the orders and the ship would be saved and
everybody be patting her on her back, you know, that
whole old cliche that you see. This really shows there
are I mean, yes, she did, she saved the ship
or you know, but she did it the wrong way
and she dissobated orders and you cannot do that in Starfleet.
(17:47):
There are consequences, And like I said, I really think
that we're going to see more of that and more
happened to her as the season progresses.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, I think the other obviously, the other conflict that
we had that would kind of bubble up from time
to time was between Pike and a Manga, specifically around
Patel's decision to go ahead with a very risky procedure
that basically leans into whatever is happening that could kind
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of hybridize her with Gorn and Pike saying like how
could you, how could you do that and how could
you withhold that information from me? But Amenga has a
responsibility to kind of guard her privacy, and not just
not just on the face value of saying we have
to protect our privacy, but there are reasons for doing so,
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and he was doing them for the right reasons. But
then also interesting because he's the captain of the ship
where these things are happening, and he's in a very
serious relationship with her, so then it seems like he
has a right to know. It's a lot of interesting
dichotomy with that that they allowed to play out, and
I think it just kind of strengthens or deepens the
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relationship between those characters, knowing that they're you know, they're
laughing on the shuttle about you know, times that they've
had in the past. So they've clearly got a pretty
established friendship. But this is something that get very very
could interfere with that friendship. I think a couple of
different ways.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Well, Pike's got to be careful too, because that's starting
to affect him and his decisions, and that's going to
fracture that between him and the tel because, I mean,
the decisions he made in this episode probably not the
smartest decision as a captain of an enterprise. Yeah, he's
doing it for one person, and you know, we know
(19:43):
where that's going to go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We could probably quote Spock on.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
That one, but we won't because it's it's said so
many times, but you can definitely see his decision making.
Even though it you know, they got out of this one,
it's still you're putting a lot of people into areas
that could get them killed, and that's not a good
way to go for a captain. But I like the
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fracture of all the characters that we're starting to see
because that adds so much to these stories and these characters.
That makes it feel real and pulls you into it,
kind of like what Wayne mentioned. It's not all, Hey,
everybody's happy, let's pat each other on the back, you know. No,
we're seeing real humans on a starship who have faults
(20:28):
and we're seeing that and it makes great storytelling.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that makes me want to go back and watch
Under the Cloak of War all over again because that
was such a powerful episode and seeing how that encounter
with General Dacraw is it DoCRA still weighs on him
and a great use of his suppose that his daughter
Bitha who got into the blood fight with him in
(20:55):
the middle of a zombie arena, Right, can.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We do this somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And yeah, it was with.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The Klingons too. Did you guys get some very serious
star Trek six by Oh? Yes, all of this? Yeah,
I mean I felt all the way through. Plus the
fact that the music was very, very reminiscent of cliff
Iiedelman's music. From that, I mean, it was obvious that
she was she was trying to imitate Itelman's styles. So yeah,
(21:24):
which I love that. I mean, that's one of our
favorite films.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean they're they're they're not getting out of
the park on all angles.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
They really are.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, and even the the end of the fight, the
fact that he you can see the rage in his
eyes and that he's like a hair away from you know,
ending the battle and killing her, but he holds back
and it takes him like he has to kind of
push away from her as he's doing that, as he's
standing up to you know, like you said, Dave, kind
of keep the monster at bay. You can see that
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he's struggling with that a lot, especially because he sees
that there's utility of keeping that monster yep around. But
the way that she reacts to it, what she does
next blew me away. So she she stands up, she
undoes her sash in this badass Castlevania style rip chain
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whip comes out, and her her line where she says,
choke on me.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You filthy tarks.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, like, oh that was so cool. It was it
was totally unexpected, like it came out of nowhere, but
it was it was totally worth it. I'm glad they
went there.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You too.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Boy. They didn't hold back on the gore either, did they.
Usually Star Trek doesn't show that stuff, but they didn't care.
I mean she smashed ahead.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah, oh my god, start where are we going? I
love it?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And when Pike gets his one kill and puts the
blade through the back of the head, through the mouth,
but it splatters on the camera.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yes, yeah, another moment right there, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right, the kind of Lord of the Rings kind of
thing like, yeah, that was just one.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Anything else you wanted to say about the score?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Wait, and you mentioned that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I mean, I love her music for this series, always have.
It's it's a great score. Like I said, it was
very reminiscent of Cliff Idelman's. The only thing I got
to add is I hope if she continues producing scores
like this, I hope she's the least nominated for an
Amy Award because she deserves it.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I agree, Yeah, that's what she does. Well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
There's a lot of interesting directions where we could go
with or Tegus with a Benga, with Patel. Any predictions
that you have starting with Patel, what do you think
they're going to do with her.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I think she's gonna die, Yeah, I still do.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, so not survive the procedure, or do you
think we're going to see some kind of human Gordon
hybrid kind of attempt.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
It's the way they're showing it. It's it's hard to
call it right now. It could go either way. To
be honest with you, I think somehow how she's going
to become some kind of hybrid and maybe not get killed,
but go off somewhere as this hybrid because she has
to get away. Otherwise she's going to become a threat
(24:12):
to the enterprise.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Well yeah, that's my thought too, But it could also
go the other way that they are forced to kill her. Yeah,
save the crew.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
She's not gonna make it no matter what one of
the scenarios is happening, They're gonna her character is gonna leave,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, Which is kind of a tragic end of that relationship,
and an unexpectedly tragged tragic and to it because we
always thought it would be what happens with Pike, but
we at least thought that maybe they'd get the you know,
enough of a relationship.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Until that day happens.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But we'll have to kind of see. It's also interesting
how much they're diving into the gorn. Like in The
Hegemony Part two you saw those kind of digestive sex,
which is really disturbing. And that kind of that other
type of gorn that we saw in that spock vision
makes me think that we're going to see maybe like
(25:00):
a Gordon Queen or some other kind of hint at
their infrastructure and how all that kind of thing works.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Is just gonna make it more interesting series to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
All Right, Well, I think we've already said which crew
member shine the most, no.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, easy to see. What was your favorite a Benga
moment when mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I liked the the banter with the with the Pike,
especially on the shuttle and when they get onto the planet.
You don't see that too much with the captain because
he's always he's the captain. You know, he can he
can joke around a little bit, but not really friend
to friend conversation. I I like that. It's they're a
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good two further you know there, it's there. It's a
two you know, two part act there. I really like that.
That would be my favorite moment, just the dialogue was
written so well for him this episode, No Dave, what
about You?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
There's so many good moments, but I have to go
to the reveal that he assassinated dc Raw. That whole
speech he gives right there, you could just see the
anger in his eyes and his face. But he also
realizes he has to keep that at bay, and he
knows that he's allowing this secret out to Pike, who's
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right there, so he knows he's he has this deep
friend in Pike, and he's got to finally let it
out and let Pike realize that was not an accident
he assassinated doc Raw. And I like the how that
kind of wrapped itself up at the end where they
had that talk again. I think the line was before
that where they were going on that mission and he said,
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you know, we're not I'm not a captain as a
friend right now when he was talking about Patel, remember
when they're on there, And then then they gonna use
that again at the end of the episode, not as
not you know, I'm not talking to you as a captain.
I'm talking to you as a friend right now. So
I like how that wrapped back to that conversation between
the two of them, So there's just so much there,
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But their development between those two of them was fantastic
in this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I think it's something that we've seen from the beginning
of Trek where there's a close personal relationship that's developed
with the medical crew, which is a great call because
that gives you so many dramatic possibilities, and yeah, I
think they use it to a great effect here. You
could see with Bengo when he's first kind of confronted
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by Bitha and he's it's kind of revealed who she
is and that this doc Ra person is coming back
to haunt him yet again. She tosses that kind of
sigil to him for him to kind of consider for
a moment, and then he slams it on the ground
as hard as he can, and it just seems like
he's he's tired of this thing continuing to haunt him.
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He is angry at the monster inside him that's kind
of creating this situation that's coming back to haunt him again,
and he's probably resenting to a certain degree how much
this monster has to keep getting pulled out that he's like,
I don't want this, Like in Under the cloak of
war that did an amazing job of him kind of
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trying to keep that at bay as much as possible
until Doc Rob kind of pulled it out. I thought
there was a badass line that he had there that
I don't know if I'm going to quote it perfectly
because I couldn't writ it down fast enough.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But the gist of it is.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She's trying to say, do you not recognize the eyes
that are looking back at you?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And he said, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Killed too many Klingons from too many houses to know
which one you belong to. Oh my god, if that's
not a big slap in the face to Bitha as
she's standing there with a knife like I'm getting ready
to kill you, and he's like, yeah, I've seen that before.
It's just an incredible character development. And I've got to give,
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you know, hats off to Babs, the actor who portrays him.
It's it's a showcase of his skills and it's it's,
you know, definitely he wins the episode here. I know
we always get into easter eggs. I know there's probably
a lot that we've already talked about obviously with Ken forty,
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When were there any others that you caught that stood.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Out very few. There was a lot of story to
cover here, but I was able to pull out three
small ones. The Klingon ship that destroyed Pike and amingas
shuttle at the beginning of the episode is a design
that we haven't seen since the first season of Star
Trek Discovery, back when they were redesigning the Klingons. Also,
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the Klingons use an updated version of their tri quarter
that we had originally seen Star Trek three as well
as Deep Space nine. And then probably the one that
I the most obvious one is the varidium tre that
me Benkas swallowed. If you remember of radium trackers, what
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was stuck on Kirk's back Star Trek's sixty on discovered country.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yep, I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I didn't know what she was talking about with like
the grapes that he ate. I didn't know when that was,
when that had happened, if that was like a call
back to an episode or just a random.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Apparently what I was told I thought was it happened
at the party from last episode at the end?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Interesting, Okay, can I just say a I want to
throw out that Martin Quinn is fantastic as Scottie. We're
really starting to see him shine and he's starting to
show his magic with the transporter and engineering.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, he's good.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
We're definitely get hints at, you know, Scotty's future. I
thought it was interesting when we had that line about like, oh,
I'm not much of a drinker, and it was.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Like, yeah, you are not yet maybe, but.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and the dynamic there in engineering is is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Where the hell with Pelia? Where the hell with Pelia
and this thing?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Okay, I get the whole thing of not going to
the meeting because she hates them, Like I'm gonna said,
we're crying out loud, they're fighting, kling on where are you?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yep, She's doing everything else, Bro, He's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You're not doing all the work.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Now, She's just going to hang back.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
You doing exactly exactly, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Any other standout moments you wanted to call out?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I want to mention one thing that seems to be
the one and only thing that everybody's talking about on
social media, and that is Number one's hair. Ah forget
what what were your opinion of it? I'll tell you mine.
I hated that hairstyle. If we were going to do that.
You know, which character do you want to be? I
wanted to be number one so I could change her hairstyle.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So I did not like it.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
But I know why they did it. Yeah, there was
a reason because of the losing gravity.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
They didn't want all the female's hair if you're floating
or have to do that with cgi. So if you
notice all the females who had long hair, they're all
noted up.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, it still looks horrible on her. I'm gonna say it.
I just didn't like that at all. I didn't either,
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I thought it was, yeah, no change the hair right now, lady,
It does not be good at all.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
It was definitely new.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It kind of gave me uh leah on hawf vibes.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, yeah, it did.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Like the way it was kind of style, right. I
don't know. I kind of got the sense that it was.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Like, you know, in terms of the writing, like you know,
if she's she's in the captain's chair and she has
to you know, I don't know if it's like batt
already you know, hair or something like that, but it
was it was definitely interesting. I was like, it's definitely
something that caught my attention a lot, and I was like,
I don't know what to do with.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
That, but it reminded me the whole Remember on Remember
Voyager Captain Jane Waiste's hair. You know, we had half
the season where it was pinned up and the other
half of the season where it was down. And I mean,
which one did you prefer? I always prefer the hair down,
the hair down.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about that when we cover Voyager. I
can honestly say I've not watched enough of a Voyager
to have an opinion on it.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
But yeah, you don't agree with this, Yeah, definitely you
will agree with us.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, I'm glad to say we'll be back next week
for another episode and I can't see. I can't wait
to see where that goes. And Listeners, we hope you'll
come back to join us. Dave, Wayne, always a pleasure.
Thanks for coming on and talking with us and leaving
a seat open on the bridge for me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Good to have you back.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
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I'm Scott Hoffmann.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I'm David Byrne, and I'm Wayne Whited.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And in this episode, we're continuing our coverage of the
freshest Trek available with Strange New Worlds Season three. Specifically,
we're going to be covering episode three, Shuttle to Ken forty.
Since it's so new, we're calling for a rent alert
on spoilers, So if you haven't seen this episode, please
go watch and come back to join us when you're
all wrapped up. I just want to take a moment
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to thank both of you, Dave and Wayne for covering
for me while I was on those away missions. There's
lenky away missions looking for weird plans on other planets
made it so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I know eventually eventually.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm also excited to just get back into strange new
worlds after that long two year hiatus between seasons. I
cannot believe it's been that long. We have covered so
much in the meantime, like we didn't drawn into lower
decks after the last.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Season seasons of it.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But I think it's safe to say it's what well
worth the wait.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Both agree, Yep, All right, well let's get right into
it and break it down. Dave, why don't you give
us a summary of what this episode is all about.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
In searching for a cure for Bateel, Pike learns that
a plant known as the Camera Blossom can help, but
a decision must be made that will send them to Confori,
a planet in the Restricted Zone that was greed upon
by the Klingons and the Federation after the war between
them ended. Pike puts together a small aweight team with
just himself and doctor Menbinga. They take a shuttle into
the Restricted Zone and onto Confori, where they quickly become
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trapped by Klingons and what can only be described as zombies.
Pike and Membinga will fight to survive, and a truth
will finally reveal itself while the crew on the Enterprise
does whatever it can.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
To save the two crew members.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
This episode begins to unravel some friendships and shake the
crew to its very core that will change them, possibly forever.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That hits the nail on the head.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
This is definitely I don't know they've used the Z
word very much in Stress non Star Trek, so wigh
and all defer to you first reactions to the first
time we have zombies and Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, I mean it's it's interesting, and I'm glad that
they did something. So, you know, they've been trying a
lot of new stuff and this is definitely new to
Star Trek. You know, I think they did touch a
little bit. There was an episode of Enterprise and I
remember the name of it, but where they did something similar,
but they never said the word zong. It never went
as you know, full force as they did in this episode.
(03:28):
I liked it. I really really liked the episode. I
think you probably liked it more than I do, because
you know how I am with horror films, you know,
so that, you know. I love the episode. It's probably
my my I don't want to say least favorite, but
because I really liked the first two two. It was
a good episode. It was a very good episode. I
liked it because of Ben Benda and his storyline and
his advance smith of that storyline, Dave, what about your
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first reactions?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, so we talked about the recap that I was
wondering how long was going to take them to get
to clearing up be under the click of war episode,
and here we are. I thought it was brilliant. I
absolutely love this episode and it's my favorite one of
the seasons so far. And my hat is off to
the writers because I see what they did here. They
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matched train to Poisson with, which is a zombie movie,
and it's a nod to Kinfy from Down to the Dead.
Well done, writers, well done.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I'm so glad you called back to that seventy eight
Donna the Dead.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't get that connection until I was looking it
up and I was like, oh my god, that's Peter
from Donna the Dead, right, Yeah, that's an awesome Eastern
perfect in the perfect Yeah, this episode does so many
different things really really well. I feel like it keeps
the show approachable because you've got this kind of cadence
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of the episodes where it goes from light to heavy, right,
it doesn't take you on one track or the other
too much. It still doesn't agree job to spreading the
love around to different characters because we're not necessarily focusing
on any one or the other more than kind of
in an unbalanced way, and we've got so many characters
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to build on. They always kind of keep it fresh
in that way. They're also just doing a great job
of evolving species that we are being introduced to, but
then ones that we thought we were pretty familiar with,
like the Gordon. They're evolving this species in such an
amazing way. I just can't believe they're able to do
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it this fast without a feeling rushed.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, what amazes me is how they can continue to
just give us more character development in each episode. You
would think that that they would, you know, run dry
with that, but it just they don't. I mean, we
keep going and going going with these characters. There is
so much to unpack in this episode. I mean, yeah,
it's it's a pretty action packed film, you know, with
Star Trek zombies for crying out loud. I literally jumped
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up when I saw that. I said, oh my god,
we got zombies. But you know, we get Eric Ortegas,
who's clearly going through something bad PTSD that's really starting
to infect her job what she does on the Enterprise.
You know, we've got Membinga and Pike relationship here, which
pretty much seems to be okay by the end of
this episode. But then you've got Spock, who I guess
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sees through the eyes of a Gorn, or a Gorn
sees through Spock's eyes. That very is a little crazy
in itself. And then of course Porp Battel is just man.
He is just going through hell and back right now.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, well, I mean it seems like she's going through
physical and mental anguish from whatever has happened with this.
I thought it was kind of interesting, like right before
Spot goes into his Gordon vision and beats up a
poor ensign, they have that kind of shared vision between
them of a type of Gordon we haven't seen yet,
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and I have a feeling that might be where Patel's
character is going.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think, so, yeah, I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know, it'll be interesting to see that. I don't want
it to happen. I don't want like Patel human Gordon hybrid,
although I guess it starts to make sense when we're
kind of getting to what we saw in the original
series where it was this, you know, humanoid lizard person
wearing like a Flintstone's costume or something.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Hopefully weren't get.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
There, but anyway, very interesting, and I think to your point,
we're seeing so much character development with hints of kind
of getting into the effects of war on someone like PTSD,
Like with Ortegas, You're absolutely right, she's got some lingering
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effects of what has happened to her just this season.
But we're also seeing some great callbacks to earlier development,
like when.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
We were in the I forget the name of the episode, but.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The where Pike was seeing the alternate timeline where he
was the captain when they first encountered the Romulans Yip Kirk.
I think there's notes of that Ortegas that we're seeing here, right,
and her history with the Kleon war and how that
kind of affects her judgment and her decisions. Em Benga
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has an amazing, bark amazing development in this one, dealing
with similar kind of things, but in a very different path.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think I feel like they just backed out.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Of the park. I think we all going to agree
on this one about Membinga really stole the show in
this episode.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
This episode shows how complex his character is, and he
is written brilliantly every time he shows up. But this
episode just made him shine. I mean, you could see
the anger in him that he knows he's the assassin
for crying out loud, and he's not hiding that fact anymore, but.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
He keeps it at bay. Obviously he's what he says.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
You know, he only comes out when it's needed, and
he obviously didn't need it that day when he was
fighting her, which is why he didn't kill her.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
But god, dang, is his character brilliant.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, the way he's portrayed, the way he's written cover
to cover, I mean, they're they're doing a great job
of giving doctors such amazing roles in this franchise, let
alone in this series, and I'm really glad to see it.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I was also very impressed. There were a lot of
times when it hit me how much we're getting feature
length or feature how do I want to say it?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Like movie quality, cinematic.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Writing, cinematography, special effects score, all the way around. Like
we're getting big I noticed kind of like broader, more
sweeping shots of the bridge, and when they get into horror,
they're not they're not playing it cheap. You can definitely
see how much this has evolved from even just prior
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iterations of track. It's getting, it's making late. You know,
Lightyar jumps ahead in quality.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well even even watching this episode, the sets are gorgeous.
I mean, on on the planet CANFORI and the research
station there, everything just looks beautiful.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, you're right.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I mean you can tell they're spending the money on
this show and they're not holding back. You're seeing it
on screen every penny.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, I mean this we talked about this last episode
that you know, this is the result of us getting lower,
lesser seasons, you know, ten ten episodes, is that we
can get these incredible cinematic episodes that just like this one. Yeah.
I love the idea that they're exploring different genres more
than just the you know, the let's go to a planet.
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Oh there's an alien type that we usually saw with
Star Trek, all these different you know here we got
the whoror we have we have you know, comedy, we
have side by It's it's it's incredible how the writers
are bringing all these different styles to Star Trek. I
think that's my favorite thing about this series.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And it doesn't it certainly doesn't seem like I mean,
the sets are so ornate and gorgeous. I can't imagine
mothballing it after a year.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Right like they've got.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
There's got to be future in Trek with the quality
and the scale of sets that they have here. I know,
we just saw just recently saw a trailer for Starfleet Academy.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, and it looks like it's going in great directions.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But you know, let's let's pay attention to the fact
that we built this amazing Enterprise and maybe, you know,
come back here as soon as we can exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I don't think they're going to be destroying this this
these sets, especially the bridge. I think they're going to
put this in stories because I don't think this is
going to be the end of our adventures with the Enterprise.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I have a feeling we're going to see some of
our original crew members that take over this ship at
the end of this series. As you know, I'm talking about.
I think we're going to see those actors taking on
those roles. Maybe not in seasons, but I think we're
going to see some specials with them.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I really do some streaming movies kind of like what
they did with Section thirty one. I could see that happening.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I also wanted to just kind of touch on something
you had talked about last time, but I just wanted
to mention the opening for this series for this season
because it's directly relevant to what we're seeing here with
the Klingons. I thought it was very interesting to see
is it a battlecruiser that kind of raises up in
the opening sequence, but I saw so many notes or
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so many hints of lower decks in there. Not that
the comedic nature of it and things like that, obviously,
but the quality and the use of animation for that
opening blows me away, and it just looks beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I hope that's.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Kind of a stepping stone to saying there's going to
be more animation and Tresh's future, because I think that
helps with a lot of different production issues, aside from
the fact that you can get a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of stories out of it. We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And we can only hope.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
We can only hope.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Yeah, did you guys notice some of very humorous lines
from Pike in this episode. I'm telling you there were
some lines that he had me rolling. First off, the
whole zombie thing as he hesitated to call them zombies
right and then and then when Membinga gives the definition
of he goes, that sounds like the Z word, which
was great. And then he followed up later when the
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Klans capture them and he goes, at least you're not
trying to eat us. And then the one that really
got me that I lost it was when he asks
we need weapons and she goes there and stabs him
in the leg and he falls.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
He goes, no, walk right into that one.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, huh.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Yeah, the great lines of this episode.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I love Captain Pike. I mean, it's a joy to
watch him anytime he's on screen. But yeah, when they
give him good lines like that, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Some other favorite moments from this episode. I know there's
a ton, but Wayne, what are some that stood out
to you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
My favorite part of the episode was actually very way
at the end when Ortegas is brought up in front
of Number One and scolded. I mean, I got such
unusual feeling about this storyline. I had mentioned that I
think we're now starting to come into the season storyline,
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and after watching this episode, I'm even more certain that
we are now starting to get elements of what where
this season is heading for, and not just you know,
this character is doing this. As characters doing that, I
think there's going to be some great consequences for some
of these characters. And I think our Tegas is not
going to come out of this looking good at the
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end of the season. That's my prediction, especially after that scene.
But I just absolutely love the scene because I like
the character of Number One and sometimes in some of
the episodes she can be sorely underused, and because I'm
Rebcca Mains such a great actress and she got so
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much great stuff to do this episode, and that scene
just was incredible with the two of them. I love
that bit.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
They're definitely foreshadowing something because when she's getting ready to leave,
she goes she tells her this can't happen again. You
could just feel how ominous that was that something bad
is coming and it's gonna cost It's gonna cost Erica something.
You know it is, and it's that's just how two
weeks she got something big is coming for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And the more this
series goes along, I know, we're only not even quite
halfway through this series, I don't think all these characters
are going to make it you know well, I mean
by the end of the end of the series. And
my eye is right now on her. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I kind of hope that even though it does feel
like it's inevitable that something's going to happen, that it
will you know, cost her her her seat on the bridge.
I'm hoping that it carries out through the end of
the season at least, if not the end of the series,
because I think just having a character have some conflict
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on the bridge. I think we've seen it in the
past with Wharf on Next Generation. We've seen it played
out to great effect on DS nine with Nurse characters
that don't always necessarily agree with command and that kind
of decision point when they have to decide, am I
going to take this action that I think is right?
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Because in some cases that's kind of encouraged or am
I going to just follow orders? And the tension there
is I think what makes the dynamic kind of thrive
on the bridge, even though there are times when she's like,
she's exactly right, like, I can't have you taking actions
that I don't know about, because it's not only compromising
(16:55):
my command, but it's also putting me in a position
where I don't know what to expect and that can't
really happen. It was very interesting her emotional response to
that too as she was going out. You know, as
she was walking out, it kind of felt like, oh, man,
I was kind of expecting this had happened, but I
maybe she didn't think that it would actually happen, or
(17:18):
that she was kind of anticipating it maybe kind of
regretting it, but I don't know. The acting and the
dynamics between the two of them was amazing.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Well, I'm glad they went that direction though, because you know,
I was worried that, you know, she was going to
dissobate the orders and the ship would be saved and
everybody be patting her on her back, you know, that
whole old cliche that you see. This really shows there
are I mean, yes, she did, she saved the ship
or you know, but she did it the wrong way
and she dissobated orders and you cannot do that in Starfleet.
(17:47):
There are consequences, And like I said, I really think
that we're going to see more of that and more
happened to her as the season progresses.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, I think the other obviously, the other conflict that
we had that would kind of bubble up from time
to time was between Pike and a Manga, specifically around
Patel's decision to go ahead with a very risky procedure
that basically leans into whatever is happening that could kind
(18:23):
of hybridize her with Gorn and Pike saying like how
could you, how could you do that and how could
you withhold that information from me? But Amenga has a
responsibility to kind of guard her privacy, and not just
not just on the face value of saying we have
to protect our privacy, but there are reasons for doing so,
(18:44):
and he was doing them for the right reasons. But
then also interesting because he's the captain of the ship
where these things are happening, and he's in a very
serious relationship with her, so then it seems like he
has a right to know. It's a lot of interesting
dichotomy with that that they allowed to play out, and
I think it just kind of strengthens or deepens the
(19:05):
relationship between those characters, knowing that they're you know, they're
laughing on the shuttle about you know, times that they've
had in the past. So they've clearly got a pretty
established friendship. But this is something that get very very
could interfere with that friendship. I think a couple of
different ways.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Well, Pike's got to be careful too, because that's starting
to affect him and his decisions, and that's going to
fracture that between him and the tel because, I mean,
the decisions he made in this episode probably not the
smartest decision as a captain of an enterprise. Yeah, he's
doing it for one person, and you know, we know
(19:43):
where that's going to go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We could probably quote Spock on.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
That one, but we won't because it's it's said so
many times, but you can definitely see his decision making.
Even though it you know, they got out of this one,
it's still you're putting a lot of people into areas
that could get them killed, and that's not a good
way to go for a captain. But I like the
(20:07):
fracture of all the characters that we're starting to see
because that adds so much to these stories and these characters.
That makes it feel real and pulls you into it,
kind of like what Wayne mentioned. It's not all, Hey,
everybody's happy, let's pat each other on the back, you know. No,
we're seeing real humans on a starship who have faults
(20:28):
and we're seeing that and it makes great storytelling.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, that makes me want to go back and watch
Under the Cloak of War all over again because that
was such a powerful episode and seeing how that encounter
with General Dacraw is it DoCRA still weighs on him
and a great use of his suppose that his daughter
Bitha who got into the blood fight with him in
(20:55):
the middle of a zombie arena, Right, can.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We do this somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And yeah, it was with.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The Klingons too. Did you guys get some very serious
star Trek six by Oh? Yes, all of this? Yeah,
I mean I felt all the way through. Plus the
fact that the music was very, very reminiscent of cliff
Iiedelman's music. From that, I mean, it was obvious that
she was she was trying to imitate Itelman's styles. So yeah,
(21:24):
which I love that. I mean, that's one of our
favorite films.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean they're they're they're not getting out of
the park on all angles.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
They really are.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, and even the the end of the fight, the
fact that he you can see the rage in his
eyes and that he's like a hair away from you know,
ending the battle and killing her, but he holds back
and it takes him like he has to kind of
push away from her as he's doing that, as he's
standing up to you know, like you said, Dave, kind
of keep the monster at bay. You can see that
(21:54):
he's struggling with that a lot, especially because he sees
that there's utility of keeping that monster yep around. But
the way that she reacts to it, what she does
next blew me away. So she she stands up, she
undoes her sash in this badass Castlevania style rip chain
(22:14):
whip comes out, and her her line where she says,
choke on me.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You filthy tarks.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, like, oh that was so cool. It was it
was totally unexpected, like it came out of nowhere, but
it was it was totally worth it. I'm glad they
went there.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You too.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Boy. They didn't hold back on the gore either, did they.
Usually Star Trek doesn't show that stuff, but they didn't care.
I mean she smashed ahead.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah, oh my god, start where are we going? I
love it?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And when Pike gets his one kill and puts the
blade through the back of the head, through the mouth,
but it splatters on the camera.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yes, yeah, another moment right there, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right, the kind of Lord of the Rings kind of
thing like, yeah, that was just one.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Anything else you wanted to say about the score?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Wait, and you mentioned that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I mean, I love her music for this series, always have.
It's it's a great score. Like I said, it was
very reminiscent of Cliff Idelman's. The only thing I got
to add is I hope if she continues producing scores
like this, I hope she's the least nominated for an
Amy Award because she deserves it.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I agree, Yeah, that's what she does. Well.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
There's a lot of interesting directions where we could go
with or Tegus with a Benga, with Patel. Any predictions
that you have starting with Patel, what do you think
they're going to do with her.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I think she's gonna die, Yeah, I still do.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, so not survive the procedure, or do you
think we're going to see some kind of human Gordon
hybrid kind of attempt.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
It's the way they're showing it. It's it's hard to
call it right now. It could go either way. To
be honest with you, I think somehow how she's going
to become some kind of hybrid and maybe not get killed,
but go off somewhere as this hybrid because she has
to get away. Otherwise she's going to become a threat
(24:12):
to the enterprise.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Well yeah, that's my thought too, But it could also
go the other way that they are forced to kill her. Yeah,
save the crew.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
She's not gonna make it no matter what one of
the scenarios is happening, They're gonna her character is gonna leave,
right yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, Which is kind of a tragic end of that relationship,
and an unexpectedly tragged tragic and to it because we
always thought it would be what happens with Pike, but
we at least thought that maybe they'd get the you know,
enough of a relationship.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Until that day happens.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But we'll have to kind of see. It's also interesting
how much they're diving into the gorn. Like in The
Hegemony Part two you saw those kind of digestive sex,
which is really disturbing. And that kind of that other
type of gorn that we saw in that spock vision
makes me think that we're going to see maybe like
(25:00):
a Gordon Queen or some other kind of hint at
their infrastructure and how all that kind of thing works.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Is just gonna make it more interesting series to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
All Right, Well, I think we've already said which crew
member shine the most, no.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, easy to see. What was your favorite a Benga
moment when mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I liked the the banter with the with the Pike,
especially on the shuttle and when they get onto the planet.
You don't see that too much with the captain because
he's always he's the captain. You know, he can he
can joke around a little bit, but not really friend
to friend conversation. I I like that. It's they're a
(25:46):
good two further you know there, it's there. It's a
two you know, two part act there. I really like that.
That would be my favorite moment, just the dialogue was
written so well for him this episode, No Dave, what
about You?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
There's so many good moments, but I have to go
to the reveal that he assassinated dc Raw. That whole
speech he gives right there, you could just see the
anger in his eyes and his face. But he also
realizes he has to keep that at bay, and he
knows that he's allowing this secret out to Pike, who's
(26:21):
right there, so he knows he's he has this deep
friend in Pike, and he's got to finally let it
out and let Pike realize that was not an accident
he assassinated doc Raw. And I like the how that
kind of wrapped itself up at the end where they
had that talk again. I think the line was before
that where they were going on that mission and he said,
(26:44):
you know, we're not I'm not a captain as a
friend right now when he was talking about Patel, remember
when they're on there, And then then they gonna use
that again at the end of the episode, not as
not you know, I'm not talking to you as a captain.
I'm talking to you as a friend right now. So
I like how that wrapped back to that conversation between
the two of them, So there's just so much there,
(27:04):
But their development between those two of them was fantastic
in this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I think it's something that we've seen from the beginning
of Trek where there's a close personal relationship that's developed
with the medical crew, which is a great call because
that gives you so many dramatic possibilities, and yeah, I
think they use it to a great effect here. You
could see with Bengo when he's first kind of confronted
(27:32):
by Bitha and he's it's kind of revealed who she
is and that this doc Ra person is coming back
to haunt him yet again. She tosses that kind of
sigil to him for him to kind of consider for
a moment, and then he slams it on the ground
as hard as he can, and it just seems like
he's he's tired of this thing continuing to haunt him.
(27:55):
He is angry at the monster inside him that's kind
of creating this situation that's coming back to haunt him again,
and he's probably resenting to a certain degree how much
this monster has to keep getting pulled out that he's like,
I don't want this, Like in Under the cloak of
war that did an amazing job of him kind of
(28:16):
trying to keep that at bay as much as possible
until Doc Rob kind of pulled it out. I thought
there was a badass line that he had there that
I don't know if I'm going to quote it perfectly
because I couldn't writ it down fast enough.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But the gist of it is.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She's trying to say, do you not recognize the eyes
that are looking back at you?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And he said, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Killed too many Klingons from too many houses to know
which one you belong to. Oh my god, if that's
not a big slap in the face to Bitha as
she's standing there with a knife like I'm getting ready
to kill you, and he's like, yeah, I've seen that before.
It's just an incredible character development. And I've got to give,
(29:00):
you know, hats off to Babs, the actor who portrays him.
It's it's a showcase of his skills and it's it's,
you know, definitely he wins the episode here. I know
we always get into easter eggs. I know there's probably
a lot that we've already talked about obviously with Ken forty,
(29:22):
When were there any others that you caught that stood.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Out very few. There was a lot of story to
cover here, but I was able to pull out three
small ones. The Klingon ship that destroyed Pike and amingas
shuttle at the beginning of the episode is a design
that we haven't seen since the first season of Star
Trek Discovery, back when they were redesigning the Klingons. Also,
(29:45):
the Klingons use an updated version of their tri quarter
that we had originally seen Star Trek three as well
as Deep Space nine. And then probably the one that
I the most obvious one is the varidium tre that
me Benkas swallowed. If you remember of radium trackers, what
(30:06):
was stuck on Kirk's back Star Trek's sixty on discovered country.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yep, I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I didn't know what she was talking about with like
the grapes that he ate. I didn't know when that was,
when that had happened, if that was like a call
back to an episode or just a random.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Apparently what I was told I thought was it happened
at the party from last episode at the end?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Interesting, Okay, can I just say a I want to
throw out that Martin Quinn is fantastic as Scottie. We're
really starting to see him shine and he's starting to
show his magic with the transporter and engineering.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, yeah, he's good.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
We're definitely get hints at, you know, Scotty's future. I
thought it was interesting when we had that line about like, oh,
I'm not much of a drinker, and it was.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Like, yeah, you are not yet maybe, but.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and the dynamic there in engineering is is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Where the hell with Pelia? Where the hell with Pelia
and this thing?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Okay, I get the whole thing of not going to
the meeting because she hates them, Like I'm gonna said,
we're crying out loud, they're fighting, kling on where are you?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yep, She's doing everything else, Bro, He's.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You're not doing all the work.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Now, She's just going to hang back.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
You doing exactly exactly, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Any other standout moments you wanted to call out?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I want to mention one thing that seems to be
the one and only thing that everybody's talking about on
social media, and that is Number one's hair. Ah forget
what what were your opinion of it? I'll tell you mine.
I hated that hairstyle. If we were going to do that.
You know, which character do you want to be? I
wanted to be number one so I could change her hairstyle.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
So I did not like it.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
But I know why they did it. Yeah, there was
a reason because of the losing gravity.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
They didn't want all the female's hair if you're floating
or have to do that with cgi. So if you
notice all the females who had long hair, they're all
noted up.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, it still looks horrible on her. I'm gonna say it.
I just didn't like that at all. I didn't either,
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I thought it was, yeah, no change the hair right now, lady,
It does not be good at all.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
It was definitely new.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It kind of gave me uh leah on hawf vibes.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, yeah, it did.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Like the way it was kind of style, right. I
don't know. I kind of got the sense that it was.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Like, you know, in terms of the writing, like you know,
if she's she's in the captain's chair and she has
to you know, I don't know if it's like batt
already you know, hair or something like that, but it
was it was definitely interesting. I was like, it's definitely
something that caught my attention a lot, and I was like,
I don't know what to do with.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
That, but it reminded me the whole Remember on Remember
Voyager Captain Jane Waiste's hair. You know, we had half
the season where it was pinned up and the other
half of the season where it was down. And I mean,
which one did you prefer? I always prefer the hair down,
the hair down.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about that when we cover Voyager. I
can honestly say I've not watched enough of a Voyager
to have an opinion on it.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
But yeah, you don't agree with this, Yeah, definitely you
will agree with us.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, I'm glad to say we'll be back next week
for another episode and I can't see. I can't wait
to see where that goes. And Listeners, we hope you'll
come back to join us. Dave, Wayne, always a pleasure.
Thanks for coming on and talking with us and leaving
a seat open on the bridge for me.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Good to have you back.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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