August 20, 2025 • 36 mins
On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 6, The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation
our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,
both new and old, to engage in debate about all
(00:23):
things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.
In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we
continue to show our love for every quadrant of the
expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,
and much more. Plotting the course as always is your
Cored Trek crew.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm Scott Hoffman, David Byrne, and I'm Wayne Whiteen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In this episode, we're continuing our coverage of the freshest
Trek available with Strange New Worlds Season three. Today we're
going to be talking about episode six, The Shalot That
Aid It's Tale, written by David Reid and Bill Wolkoff,
directed by Valerie Weiss. This is an episode that's gonna
get a lot of discussion from us, but since it's
(01:24):
so new, we're calling for a red alert. As always
on spoilers, if you haven't seen the latest episode, please
go watch and come back to join us when you're ready.
Before we get into that, Wayne, I hear you has
some award news for us.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, it was just announced earlier today that Star Trek
Lower Decks won the prestigious Hugo Award this year for
a Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form, which you know or
to translate, that's TV. So I just want to I mean,
that's great. They actually want another one for Best Comic
Book as well, but they won for their season series finale,
(02:01):
The New Next Generation. So congratulations everybody Lower Decks, Brandon
Williams and all the producers, directors and writers that work.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, absolutely congratulations. And if you know, that's another endorsement.
If you are new to the show or you haven't
listened to our Lower Decks coverage, go check that out.
But absolutely check out Star Trek Luarer Decks. I think
it broke a lot of new ground and it definitely
deserves more attention.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I think I got Yeah, it's a well deserved word.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
All right, Well, let's get right into it and break
down this week's episode. Dave, why don't you give us
a summary what it was all about?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
What is a star date? Kirk is the first officer
of the USS Farragut, on a simple mission that seems
to bore him and the crew. That is until a
massive ship appears and destroys the very planet in front
of them and leaves them damaged and most of the
crew hurt or killed. Kirk must take the captain's chair
as Enterprise comes into help. However, it is taken into
(02:56):
the belly of the ship to be salvage, leaving Kirk, Scottie, Chapel,
Hourra and Spock together alone and the Ferry get to
figure out how to save the Enterprise of the crew
and stop the massive ship from destroying more worlds. Part
of the OG crew we know are together in their
first mission to do what they do best, come to
the rescue when there seems to be no hope at all. However,
(03:16):
there is a twist that they could not see coming
and this will change everyone involved, including James T. Kirk, forever.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This was a lot to back into one hour, but
they did so very very well. I mean, we get
a lot of action on the Enterprise, a lot of
action on the Farragut, and a completely new threat from beyond.
I'll say we're in spoiler free territory, So I was
gonna say alien threat, but it wasn't necessarily alien.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It was very close to home.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And whoever said they saw the ending coming as a.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Liar, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
No way?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
When they showed it and explained it, my jaw dropped.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, especially the look of that ship. There's no
way you could even see from a mile away, but
that's where they would go with it. Wayne, what were
your first reactions to the episode?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, you know, I don't want to say that this
is my favorite episode of the season because we're only
just a little over halfway, but this is my favorite
episode of the season.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It was.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It just blew me away in everything from you know,
the acting to the visual effects were wonderful. The music
was incredible. I loved every second of this episode. I
really did. And I knew it was this was coming.
I knew eventually we were going to get those characters together,
the original series characters. I didn't expect to see it
(04:40):
this early, but I'm glad we did. I hope they
do more of this because I know we all know
where they're leading to, we really do. But I love
the interactions between all the characters. It was that was
the high point of this.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Episode for me.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, it seemed like they didn't go there's kind of
a seems like almost a standard direction you could take
with the first time they get together. Even either they
work together phenomenally well and they say why have we
not been doing this the entire time? Or everything goes
pear shaped and nothing goes right. They didn't fall into
(05:15):
either trope, but I think they used it really really
well because somebody who is usually this confident leader, James Kirk,
was not in this situation. He eventually got there, but
he was definitely struggling, and I thought that was a
great perspective to put on Jim Kirk, like so many
good insights in his character.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I mean, we're seeing pieces of Kirk that we've never
seen before, you know, And I think that's what's making
this shine because we're getting to see him become who
we know he is, and you know, just like Wayne,
I feel like every week I'm saying this this is
like my favorite episode, because this season is really doing
an incredible job week after week, and now I gotta
(05:58):
say this one's my favorite episode so far because they
just keep topping themselves for crying out loud. But to
go back to that conversation about you know, the og crew,
that moment between Spock and Kirk is one of my
favorites of this whole episode because you're getting to see
those building blocks starting of that relationship between these two.
(06:19):
And you know, even though it's kind of a joke
with the crew when they said somebody who doesn't have
a lot of emotions needs to go to talk to
him and they're all turning to look at Spock, it
felt like it needed to be that way, even though
it was a joke. It does need to happen because
the relationship between those two is tremendous and we got
to start building that somewhere. And getting that building block here,
(06:43):
I felt just took this episode over the top. Even
that situation. I should say, the conversation between Pike and
Kirk at the end I thought was incredible. You're seeing
Kirk become who we know he is, something we've never
seen before. I am here for it.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I mean, you see the way they work together, and
this is the first time they'd all really work together
in a in a very uh serious situation. You know,
we know that captains when they get their first sime,
first ship, that they choose their crew, and we're now
seeing the beginnings of of how, you know, the build
up to why Kirk chose these characters, and I think
(07:25):
they worked. They were fantastic. I loved Scottie and having
to pull out his very first miracle work. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm glad we saw that you're her? Did you know
that's exactly how we should see you orr? You know,
she she figured it out. Reminded me a lot of
how she she did her interaction that she had in
(07:48):
start Trek six. You can see where all these characters
are leading to. We know what the we know the
end point, and now we're getting this beginning point, and
it's it's great to be able to see how everything
connects together.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think are writing it was a very good call
to make the captain of the Farragut, wasn't it, Captain Verrell.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Now I'm assuming that she's.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Full Vulcan when I say this, but it's interesting how
much he was struggling with a Vulcan captain who's very
by the book and not necessarily want to take to
take risks. Jim and Spock not necessarily having the kind
of relationship that we know them to have. So then
(08:31):
when Spot comes to counsel him, it's interesting that he
goes there with a perspective of somebody who's not going
to put emotion into it. But it Spock's balance, I think,
between his human side and his vulcan's side that helps
him see that when he when he talks to Kirk,
he needs to talk to him about trusting your intuition.
(08:53):
Like Kirk sees it as I've been flying by the
seat of my pants and just hoping that I look
into it, and Spock recognizes He's like, no, you You've
got good instincts, you've got good leadership instincts, and you've
got the.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Bravery to follow them.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But he's given that situation where it's kind of like,
but you have to temper that a bit. Sometimes it
works out in your favor just by luck, which I
would say is probably the case with his direction to
Scotty to try to outrun the ship.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It worked out in the end.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It maybe wasn't exactly the right call, but he followed
his instincts, and that's something that I think serves Kirk
very well in the arts that we've seen with him,
and it gives a little bit more of a reason
behind it. It doesn't make it seem like it's just
his ego that is driving his decisions. You can see
how much he's kind of wrestling within this situation.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, he really has to wrestle with it too. The
consequences from his actions, I think is going to you know,
lay very heavy on his head after this. And I
like how they brought that out. I like the idea
that Kirk had to learn a very valuable lesson that
sometimes you have to do the thing that you know,
you have to follow your instincts, you have to do
(10:05):
may not be the best thing you think can think of,
it's the thing that's right to save his crew.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, even his perspective on death and him saying things
like I don't like to lose. Could be seeing this
pure ego, but with this kind of build on it.
It's kind of like because this kind of event is
going to haunt.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Him for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, and he even saw the kind of weight of
the chair. I think it was a beautiful direction how
they would show him kind of like, I know that's
where I need to sit. I know that's where I
need to be, but I'm a little hesitant to go there.
It shows how much respect he has for command, which
I think makes him a good leader.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And it's a big difference from what they did in
the three jj Abrams films where he just suddenly found
himself in the captain's chair and had to do it.
I never really cared much for that idea of the
fact that you know, he just suddenly jumped from you know,
the lower deck to captain. But here we're seeing as
this slow build up and the decisions and the consequences
and the you know, all the learning process that he
(11:03):
has to go through. This is the way. This is
the coptain Kirk that I always imagined ever since I
saw him in the back of the original series.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I think there was another smart shot where we
see in that situation, Devin, I'm glad you brought it
up because it's an amazing sequence. But in that situation
where Spott goes to council Kirk, he comes in the
room and Kirk is kind of almost kneeling on the
floor beneath the chess board, and we've already seen him
established as this expert chess player, so to see him
(11:33):
in that kind of position where he's almost like a
kid looking at at this three D chess board, but
it's him kind of contemplating his next move. There are
just so many good shots in this episode. I don't
know how to list them all.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
But yeah, the what you mentioned earlier with the CGI
that that shot of the Enterprise coming in to help
the Farragut was just no i'minal shot.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, with the shield bubble around it. I love Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, it was a great ship to ship choreography, right, yeah,
Like we don't usually see ships move that way, and
I think it was it was used a great effect.
One of the interpersonal things that kind of surprised me
because I wasn't even thinking about it in the last episode,
even though we had seen some development between law and
and Spock is the kirk Lawn Spock triangle. Right here
(12:26):
we go, I know, right, like wow, but it would
be very interesting to see where that goes.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I'm glad they gave enough time for that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, me too. It's It's funny how you guys you
only get ten episodes. Who so much has squeezed into these,
but they do such a good job of making sure
they touch base on it, and it's not too much,
it's not too little. It's like perfect it was.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's it's a very rich series.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I would say anybody who is, you know, kind of
on the fence about whether to see it, like you're
getting cinematic level, it effects, direction, score, acting like there's
a lot to chew on here, and I think if
you're again, if you're, it's a great time to to
be a Trek fan, but also to try to start
(13:12):
somebody on track, because this one, I think is very reachable,
very accessible.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
To all things.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And I hope that even if it doesn't happen now
that it's seen that way soon and if if the
next iterations of Trek are going to be like this,
I think we're seeing a good, healthy pattern of where
the franchise is going to go.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, if anything, just like Discovery gave us a Strange
New Worlds, Yes, I feel like Strange New world is
going to give us another rerun of the OG Crew.
I really hope they go that route.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't expect you episodes being redowne to the Og Crew.
That's fine, That's why I don't do that. Just give
us new adventures with this crew that we get to
see other parts of EPISS, you know, planets they explored
and stuff like that. I'm cool with that. And if
you want to give some Easter eggs along the way
as you're giving us a new og crew, okay, I'm
(14:04):
cool with that too. But I'm so hungry to see
I mean, we haven't been introduced to the Bones yet,
we've not been introduced to checkof for Szulu yet. I
can't freaking wright.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wait yeah, yeah, for sure. And I mean, what a
what a brilliant way to we've connective threads through your franchise.
Because there are people who may have just come to
Strange New Worlds and never have tried Discovery that may say, like,
that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I've never seen the Discovery.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
But if I went a little bit more Strange New Worlds,
I can go back to Discovery and get that fast
forward to the future when that series comes out, they
can do the same thing of Strange New Worlds and
then that lead frogs in the Discovery.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It's just it's a very smart way they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I hope that you know, as they continue with the franchise,
they continue to explore in this way.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
How about we talk about the gut wrenching India. Go ahead,
a punch in the gut and the throat, whatever you
want to say, because oh my god, Like I love
the mystery behind that. These scavengers, you don't know who
they are. I mean, you obviously think there's some kind
of alien, some kind of creature the way they're playing
(15:14):
it off because they're in these suits. And then I
love how they edited the episode of the discovery that
you know, you're seeing them Garny to take off the mask,
Pike to take off the mask, and then you're seeing
their other crew elsewhere learning this at the same exact time.
I love the intercutting back and forth of them discovering it,
(15:34):
and then when we find out everything, you see the
US flag inside that chip, and then you see the
mask take off as the human being, and then we
get the whole backstory of this, and then you find
out all the what was it seven thousand bodies were
out there, Yeah, something like that, You know all those
were humans and their families. Oh my god. Yeah, that
(15:54):
was just heart wrenching.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, and there's so much story here left on tool
get you know, how did they become from go from
you know, being the best Scientist of Earth has to offer,
you know, which what was only about twenty thirty years
ahead of our time to that, I mean, what happened.
I don't know. You know that they're all dead, but
(16:18):
I still think there's more to explore. And it's very
possible this could come back. This could be just like
last episode and we're saying that, you know, we got
the beginning of more story for Stranger in the worlds.
This also could be a beginning too. I don't think
we're quite done with this story either.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Why couldn't we get something like this instead of section
thirty one gish, Yeah, go back and give us a
two hour movie paramount to explain how they ended up
like this.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, that's what we want, what we need.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, well, I mean especially considering like I remember on
the second watch, I noticed that behind the American flag
there was a sideways insigny that looked like the uh,
the Federation.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah yeah, it's like the precursor of the Federation or
the precursor of Starfleet I United Earth Space Probe Organization
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, Yeah, yeah, but it was it's interesting how they
kind of they turn a couple of things on their
head like one they get they step into that territory
of the scariest monsters are us. It felt like a
bit of a flip on the board. Yeah, definitely less organized,
(17:30):
but still that just you know, bent on consumption, but
without the the focus on technology. It's almost like a
galactus kind of spin, just throwing the universe and consuming.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, the way it destroyed that planet. And then when
the ship appeared, I was actually getting more of a
remember the old episode of Doomsday Machine. You know, we
never got a really origin on that either, but I
was getting vibes of that, and I was really expecting
some strange new aliens to appear, right.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And you know, another thing that I found very intriguing
about this episode, and I mentioned earlier that there's no
way you saw this inding coming. It really felt watching
like The sixth Cents all over again for the first
time and not seeing that name because remember Hayley Josma says,
they don't know that they're dead. Giving is just that clue, Hello,
it's in your face. And here Pike says, he pointed
his gun, he didn't shoot.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why didn't he shoot that? Any great?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You know, and then you find out this whole back
thing and this backstory you're like, oh crap, now that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right well, and I mean it's interesting in that moment
it's like the the the Scavenger I'll say, points the
phaser at Pike. Pike reaches near his holster and pulls
out I don't know what, but it struck me as
maybe it's like a grenade or something, or some kind
of stun something. But he also holds onto it, like
(18:51):
he doesn't use that hesitation to to hit the scavenger.
He sees that kind of moment of recognition, that kind
of pause. You know, it's very interesting. There's so much
to unpack when you look at several viewings. Absolutely any
other favorite moments that that stood out.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It was just it was just a wonderful episode in
beginning to end. It really really was.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, there's one thing that I'll say is kind of
a dovetail to any kind of thing we want to
say about the score, because I usually say very little
about it. I leave that to you two experts. But
it did feel like there were notes from Wrath of
Khan in the scene where they were starting to have
the plan come together.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, yep, I caught that too. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
that was on purpose to it. It was very obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Lean little hints of the original theme when spocking Kirk
and all of that, and when Pike and Kirk were together,
you get you get tidbits of the of that you're like,
this is this is Kirk. You know, we know what's.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Coming, just just enough, just enough in the music to
make so that it's still original school, but it feels familiar.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I will say now that we have more Carol Caine
in this episode. My God, love Pellia. I'd love to
know how she keeps all of the stuff that she
keeps and where she keeps it.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Her room is awesome. Yes, I love her room.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
It's like it's like Peter David's Incredible Hulk future imperfect.
When you see the maestros.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, you're like, can I just spend a couple of
minutes here just just poking around?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Was it mem Banger who says this is exactly what
I expected her room to be?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, what I was thinking too.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
God.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm glad we got some Pellia time in there.
But yeah, there's there's plenty of stuff that I want
to just like pause and say, like what is that
in the background. Why don't you have this?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Why did she have that? Oh, she's got to be
a nightmare for crew storage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Though.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, when we got the original trailer for the
season and we saw them with the telephone, I never
iagine that would be in such this type of episode.
I was thinking either I thought it'd be the holiday episode,
but no, it was an original idea. I mean it
all made sense, using the telephone and using the joysticks
to control the enterprise.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I mean we talked about that that there. We thought
something coming along with analog. They got to ant go
to ANT go in out. That's right, you exactly what
this was analog.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
There was a there's a funny moment when uh Una
gets the the first phone plugged in. Yeah, and then
kind of sits there and I was like, crap, they
don't have phone numbers. Like I know, it doesn't matter,
but at the time, I was like, well, how did
they ring each other?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's got yeah, no way, And I know there's got
to be a bunch of Easter eggs. There were a few,
which one which one's poked out to you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Oh well, first of all, let me explain to the
title of this episode. All the non Trekkers out there
who were probably saying, you know, what the hell is
this a lot? It's it's a vulcan beast that they
domesticate as like a pet. It's like a big, big bear.
Spock had one as a child that was named Aichaia. Now,
(22:14):
speaking of Pelly's quarters, you guys noticed that she hans
but Benga a and Aatari twenty six hundred. I love that. Now,
let's also talk about this this ship that they named
the Destroyer of Worlds. It carried the registry XCV one hundred.
That makes it the precursor of the XCV three point thirty.
(22:36):
That's the Ring Ship Enterprise, one of the earliest enterprises.
That's the one we see on the in the artwork
on the wreck room of its Star Trek the motion picture,
and we also see a model of it in the
Archers Quarter and Star Trek Enterprise. So it's a very
similar ship that actually comes from just a little bit
before that. Another thing, I also noticed that flag you
saw inside of it, I only had fifty stars on it.
(22:58):
That's rather unusual because that means this predates the Caaribdis
from the Next Generation episode the Royale, which was that
was very early because that had fifty two stars on
its flag. Now that ship launched. The Caribdis launched in
twenty thirty seven, which was right in the middle of
the World War Three, So I mean, does this has
(23:20):
to be before that? But I'm having trouble pinning down
the dates because with last year's episode, was it tomorrow, tomorrow,
and tomorrow? They've changed some dates around because World War
three is said to have started in the year twenty
twenty six, So let's hope they did change that, because
(23:41):
that gives you something to think about. Now, Pike and Lan,
they extract burion particles from the Enterprise's engineering section, where
it should be pretty familiar with barrion particles. It's a
byproduct of warp travel and starships tend to get saturated
with them. Picard had to sweep the Enterprise d of
(24:04):
varying particles in the episode Starship Mine. And then finally,
I have got to bring this up because this is
the easter egg of all easter eggs. This is the
big one for the season. Took three showings for it.
I had to go back and make sure I wasn't
imagining it myself. But there's a shot where the Enterprise
is being held by the Destroyer of Worlds. I'm going
(24:26):
to give you the exact time if you're watching it
on Paramount Plus. It's right at the eleven thirty mark.
That's the very first visual effect shot after coming back
from the second commercial break. The camera is panning down
and then up to the Enterprise and you can see
the window on the bridge. You can see them all
standing in there, and your eyes are focused on that
bridge and the people that are in it. But if
(24:48):
you look just up a little bit on the right,
there's the Tartist as clear as day. It's setting there,
right there on top of one of the tentacles. So
is that confirmation that Doctor Who and Star Treker in
the same universe are Is that just a little fun
inside joke from the FX crew. You can decide on that.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That's hysterically interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well there was another Doctor Who connection? Right, Well, I'll
swing for the fence and then Wayne can correct me
and we.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Could have that edited out if I get it completely wrong.
But John Logi.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Baird, Yes, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, he
was one of the earliest pioneers of television. I forgot
that even mentioned him. Yeah, that was a very major
point in a recent episode back in twenty twenty three
called The Giggle.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I loved the fact that they gave Scotty that line.
And then he says the Scottish inventor everyone knows John
Logi Baird, and I will admit I did not, So
I went and looked him up. And I think it's
a clever use of saying, like, let's get more people
talking and kind of remind them of these, you know, inventors,
these important people in history.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
But that he's uh, Scottish.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I think as a great ad there, And yeah, it
makes me want to go watch The Giggle again.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So are we not going to mention that Hellia is
a roadie for Grateful Dead Oh.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, my god.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah yeah, and that Ortegas had no idea what that meant.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
She was like, you had dead people, yea dead people. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh, Pelly is an easter egg in herself. I mean
you just you can spend quite a long a time
just looking at her room picking out some of the
fun stuff that she's got laying around.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
She's an easter basket. Yeah, She's got the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
All right, Well, speaking of a lot of a lot
of amazing crew members on here, which one do each
of you feel shined the most?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Dave will go to you first.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
There's no doubt in my mind it's James T. Kirk
uh in this one. You know, getting to see his weaknesses,
his strength, getting to see that Kirk, you know, Philly
throwing to bubble up. We become the Kirk that we know,
the relationships that he's already making with the O G
crew that you know he doesn't know, with the head
for him, but they are the ones who are going
(27:10):
to become a family, but become the crew that we
know that runs the Enterprise without question. And Wesley did
an amazing job as Kirk in this episode. He always does,
and I cannot wait to see more of him.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, totally agree, Wayne, what about you?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I agree one hundred percent. This is Kirk's episode. I mean,
they did a great job of making sure this is
still a Stranger World episode, but this curtain stole the
show on this I mean, getting to see the beginnings
of the Captain Kirk that we would know from the
original series right here, you know, is where it all started.
You know, his new interactions meeting some of the other
characters for the first time. His interactions was Spock, you know,
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it's not quite friendship yet, but I'm pretty sure we
were at the respect stage right now. It's coming. The
friendship is coming. I love that. I think that that
was my favorite part of the entire episode, and it
shine throughout.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'll go three for three and totally agree it's it's
James D.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Kirk.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I think the writing and the performance from Paul Wesley
is phenomenal. He is doing exactly what I think this
franchise needs, which is to help infuse a little bit
more connective lifeblood into the franchise. Not that I think
it's hurting for it in any way, shape or form,
(28:29):
but it is giving another connection, another way in for.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
People to absorb it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And he's giving a reason behind, Like what I had
said with the you know things that might seem like
ego before, you can see the reason for some of
those things just through this one episode, let alone everything
else we've seen from him. One thing that stood out
to me is that he infuses the what I would
say is but like the stereotypical Shatner speech pattern yep
(28:56):
with Kirk whenever you see him, you know, hear him mocked.
He's kind of like, Scotty, what do we do in
this situation? They's going to like pause. He uses it
to great effect in here, because he's trying to say,
like Scotty and in that silence, say I want to
focus on your idea. What do you think we can do?
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He just infuses that ever so slightly not too exaggerated
effect because we heard that in the previous episode, which
is a lot of fun, but you can see the
reasoning for it, and you can kind of infer your
own meeting behind why he does certain things, so that
when you get to hopefully that new series where we're
following Kirk and his crew growing that relationship and starting
(29:38):
to work together, that it all makes a lot more
sense and it makes people want to go back to
the original series and say I want more of this.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And speaking of Scotty, I mean, how about the scenes
there where he was questioning Kirk and you know, just like,
are you kidding me? This is your idea? Where's he going?
Why is he leaving the bridge? You know? And is
this I love that because right there in there you're
seeing a Scotty that we'd never really seen before. He
doesn't trust Kirk, he doesn't respect him, he doesn't understand him,
and you know what's coming down the road between the
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two of them. So I thought that was fantastic as well.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, a lot of respect building here, not which with Spock,
but with Scott and your hur and all them. Yeah,
I mean we're you see the friendships coming, and you
see that that great crew that we we learned from
the original series. It's it's coming, and I hope we
get that series now. I wanted more than ever. We've
mentioned it before, but I think it's seeing new episodes
(30:34):
with them would be so wonderful.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And how about Horror coming to back for him? Yeah,
I forget about that too. You know, she said she
he helped me, he gave me a chance, So let's
do that. Let's do the same thing for him. M
love that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I mean it's given such a reason for how
they interact, right like with a R with a Herrah,
It's she's not just translating, she's not just managed the
communications channels. She's figuring out how to get people to talk,
and she's helping to make those kind of foster those
interpersonal dynamics, but then draw them from them and get
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the real strength behind them to get people talking to
a solution they need to find.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
She did it with Scotty in the last episode. Did
It's a great effect here.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think when you bring up a great point about Scotty,
I think they're going to get to a point where
he says, I trust Kirk's instincts and I'll follow him
and I might even be able to kind of read
his mind and see where he's going with a certain thing.
But what he's asking in return is I need to
(31:39):
know why. I need to know how you want this
to work. I need to know why you're asking me
to do this so that I can understand how to
get around the issues that I've got because it'll take
me two days to do this. You want it in
two hours. But I got to know why. There's a
lot of things I want to see continue to develop there.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Absolutely, you brought up your Hera. This show, Strange New
Worlds has done more for the character of you her
since ever before, when Michelle Nichols was playing it. You know,
and I think this is one of the best things
to come out of this show. I've mentioned many times
before how much I love the Celia Rose Gooding's performance
(32:19):
as you were here, and this this just shows it.
It's one of my favorite characters, always has been. She
really does Michelle proud and I can't. I'm so happy
that they're giving her more than just the haling frequencies
open lines that she had before.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You totally agree, Well, along those lane, Along those lines, Wayne,
if there is a favorite character that you would want
to be in this episode, who would it be? Well?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I was going to say Kirk for the same reasons
as we just brought up, but then I started thinking
of the ending and how it's going to say with
him emotionally, and I changed my mind. So I decided
to choose Scottie. Why not because you know, he got
to meet the people that he's going to be forever
attached to, and he got to perform, like I mentioned before,
his very first engineering feat that'll give him the nickname
(33:10):
the Miracle Worker. I think he's so early in his
career and we all love love Scotty and the performance
that the actress giving, So yeah, I want to be him.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Dave, what about you?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I've already given this answer before, but I'm gonna say
it again, Pelly up, because I want to explore that
damn quarters of earth.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Right there with you. That's exactly what I was gonna say,
aside from the fact that she just seems to be having.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
A blast, like yeah, not only does she have a
lot of stuff to explore, but she's giddy when she
says like, oh I haven't done this and say warned
for the dead, And she has a justification for all the.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Hoarding that she's doing in her room.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I don't think she'll ever have a use for that
hypnot a cat clock that feels the cat clock that
she has, but you know, there's a reason for keeping
all those phones. I'm sure that On is probably rolling
her eyes because she's like, great now, I'm never going
to take her talk her out of getting all of
her stuff out of storage and getting off the ship, right.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
The first thing I thought of when I saw that
room is how the hell does she get all that
stuff on the enterprise? I mean, does should she carry
this all this this crap along with her all the
time everywhere she goes? And I just I could just
see them either beaming it all into the transporter room
and all these poor uh engineering people having to carry
all that stuff into her room. It's probably probably why
(34:30):
it's laying all over, but she just dumped it all
over there, you know, or you take care of it
and she don't care, you know, she just listens later.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It would be great if we could get a short
track following the lower deckers that inevitably have to haul
that stuff, yes, and losing the one thing that they shouldn't. Yeah, anyway,
any closing thoughts, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
No, just a great episode and I'm sure next week
will probably see the same thing. Hey, this is my
favorite episode again. They just keep topping themselves, man, and
it's been one hell of a ride this season already.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
And next episode is that what we believe is going
to be that the documentary one, the what is star Fleet?
And there is a they did put it in a blurb.
I'm glad they're starting to do this. Paramount Leus's starting
to put a little blurbs about the episode. This time
it says Pike and his crew face on one and
scrutiny from a probing journalist while helping a war torn planet.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Oh yeah, it's got to be the documentary episode.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, it'd be interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
It is yep.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Cool. Well, thank you both as always, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's always a pleasure, absolutely fun, fantastic, and.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Thank you listeners.
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Speaker 5 (36:04):
Stunt you know what, do whatever the hell you guys want.
I'm out of.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Here, get out.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
All right already?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Sure, okay, Dave, yes, it's been a long day, dude,
all right, I get to keep the energy going.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Say him here, okay three two one
Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
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Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm Scott Hoffman, David Byrne, and I'm Wayne Whiteen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
In this episode, we're continuing our coverage of the freshest
Trek available with Strange New Worlds Season three. Today we're
going to be talking about episode six, The Shalot That
Aid It's Tale, written by David Reid and Bill Wolkoff,
directed by Valerie Weiss. This is an episode that's gonna
get a lot of discussion from us, but since it's
(01:24):
so new, we're calling for a red alert. As always
on spoilers, if you haven't seen the latest episode, please
go watch and come back to join us when you're ready.
Before we get into that, Wayne, I hear you has
some award news for us.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, it was just announced earlier today that Star Trek
Lower Decks won the prestigious Hugo Award this year for
a Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form, which you know or
to translate, that's TV. So I just want to I mean,
that's great. They actually want another one for Best Comic
Book as well, but they won for their season series finale,
(02:01):
The New Next Generation. So congratulations everybody Lower Decks, Brandon
Williams and all the producers, directors and writers that work.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, absolutely congratulations. And if you know, that's another endorsement.
If you are new to the show or you haven't
listened to our Lower Decks coverage, go check that out.
But absolutely check out Star Trek Luarer Decks. I think
it broke a lot of new ground and it definitely
deserves more attention.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I think I got Yeah, it's a well deserved word.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
All right, Well, let's get right into it and break
down this week's episode. Dave, why don't you give us
a summary what it was all about?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
What is a star date? Kirk is the first officer
of the USS Farragut, on a simple mission that seems
to bore him and the crew. That is until a
massive ship appears and destroys the very planet in front
of them and leaves them damaged and most of the
crew hurt or killed. Kirk must take the captain's chair
as Enterprise comes into help. However, it is taken into
(02:56):
the belly of the ship to be salvage, leaving Kirk, Scottie, Chapel,
Hourra and Spock together alone and the Ferry get to
figure out how to save the Enterprise of the crew
and stop the massive ship from destroying more worlds. Part
of the OG crew we know are together in their
first mission to do what they do best, come to
the rescue when there seems to be no hope at all. However,
(03:16):
there is a twist that they could not see coming
and this will change everyone involved, including James T. Kirk, forever.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This was a lot to back into one hour, but
they did so very very well. I mean, we get
a lot of action on the Enterprise, a lot of
action on the Farragut, and a completely new threat from beyond.
I'll say we're in spoiler free territory, So I was
gonna say alien threat, but it wasn't necessarily alien.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It was very close to home.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And whoever said they saw the ending coming as a.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Liar, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
No way?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
When they showed it and explained it, my jaw dropped.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, especially the look of that ship. There's no
way you could even see from a mile away, but
that's where they would go with it. Wayne, what were
your first reactions to the episode?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, you know, I don't want to say that this
is my favorite episode of the season because we're only
just a little over halfway, but this is my favorite
episode of the season.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
It was.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It just blew me away in everything from you know,
the acting to the visual effects were wonderful. The music
was incredible. I loved every second of this episode. I
really did. And I knew it was this was coming.
I knew eventually we were going to get those characters together,
the original series characters. I didn't expect to see it
(04:40):
this early, but I'm glad we did. I hope they
do more of this because I know we all know
where they're leading to, we really do. But I love
the interactions between all the characters. It was that was
the high point of this.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Episode for me.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, it seemed like they didn't go there's kind of
a seems like almost a standard direction you could take
with the first time they get together. Even either they
work together phenomenally well and they say why have we
not been doing this the entire time? Or everything goes
pear shaped and nothing goes right. They didn't fall into
(05:15):
either trope, but I think they used it really really
well because somebody who is usually this confident leader, James Kirk,
was not in this situation. He eventually got there, but
he was definitely struggling, and I thought that was a
great perspective to put on Jim Kirk, like so many
good insights in his character.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I mean, we're seeing pieces of Kirk that we've never
seen before, you know, And I think that's what's making
this shine because we're getting to see him become who
we know he is, and you know, just like Wayne,
I feel like every week I'm saying this this is
like my favorite episode, because this season is really doing
an incredible job week after week, and now I gotta
(05:58):
say this one's my favorite episode so far because they
just keep topping themselves for crying out loud. But to
go back to that conversation about you know, the og crew,
that moment between Spock and Kirk is one of my
favorites of this whole episode because you're getting to see
those building blocks starting of that relationship between these two.
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And you know, even though it's kind of a joke
with the crew when they said somebody who doesn't have
a lot of emotions needs to go to talk to
him and they're all turning to look at Spock, it
felt like it needed to be that way, even though
it was a joke. It does need to happen because
the relationship between those two is tremendous and we got
to start building that somewhere. And getting that building block here,
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I felt just took this episode over the top. Even
that situation. I should say, the conversation between Pike and
Kirk at the end I thought was incredible. You're seeing
Kirk become who we know he is, something we've never
seen before. I am here for it.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I mean, you see the way they work together, and
this is the first time they'd all really work together
in a in a very uh serious situation. You know,
we know that captains when they get their first sime,
first ship, that they choose their crew, and we're now
seeing the beginnings of of how, you know, the build
up to why Kirk chose these characters, and I think
(07:25):
they worked. They were fantastic. I loved Scottie and having
to pull out his very first miracle work. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm glad we saw that you're her? Did you know
that's exactly how we should see you orr? You know,
she she figured it out. Reminded me a lot of
how she she did her interaction that she had in
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start Trek six. You can see where all these characters
are leading to. We know what the we know the
end point, and now we're getting this beginning point, and
it's it's great to be able to see how everything
connects together.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think are writing it was a very good call
to make the captain of the Farragut, wasn't it, Captain Verrell.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Now I'm assuming that she's.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Full Vulcan when I say this, but it's interesting how
much he was struggling with a Vulcan captain who's very
by the book and not necessarily want to take to
take risks. Jim and Spock not necessarily having the kind
of relationship that we know them to have. So then
(08:31):
when Spot comes to counsel him, it's interesting that he
goes there with a perspective of somebody who's not going
to put emotion into it. But it Spock's balance, I think,
between his human side and his vulcan's side that helps
him see that when he when he talks to Kirk,
he needs to talk to him about trusting your intuition.
(08:53):
Like Kirk sees it as I've been flying by the
seat of my pants and just hoping that I look
into it, and Spock recognizes He's like, no, you You've
got good instincts, you've got good leadership instincts, and you've
got the.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Bravery to follow them.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But he's given that situation where it's kind of like,
but you have to temper that a bit. Sometimes it
works out in your favor just by luck, which I
would say is probably the case with his direction to
Scotty to try to outrun the ship.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
It worked out in the end.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It maybe wasn't exactly the right call, but he followed
his instincts, and that's something that I think serves Kirk
very well in the arts that we've seen with him,
and it gives a little bit more of a reason
behind it. It doesn't make it seem like it's just
his ego that is driving his decisions. You can see
how much he's kind of wrestling within this situation.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, he really has to wrestle with it too. The
consequences from his actions, I think is going to you know,
lay very heavy on his head after this. And I
like how they brought that out. I like the idea
that Kirk had to learn a very valuable lesson that
sometimes you have to do the thing that you know,
you have to follow your instincts, you have to do
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may not be the best thing you think can think of,
it's the thing that's right to save his crew.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, even his perspective on death and him saying things
like I don't like to lose. Could be seeing this
pure ego, but with this kind of build on it.
It's kind of like because this kind of event is
going to haunt.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Him for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, and he even saw the kind of weight of
the chair. I think it was a beautiful direction how
they would show him kind of like, I know that's
where I need to sit. I know that's where I
need to be, but I'm a little hesitant to go there.
It shows how much respect he has for command, which
I think makes him a good leader.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And it's a big difference from what they did in
the three jj Abrams films where he just suddenly found
himself in the captain's chair and had to do it.
I never really cared much for that idea of the
fact that you know, he just suddenly jumped from you know,
the lower deck to captain. But here we're seeing as
this slow build up and the decisions and the consequences
and the you know, all the learning process that he
(11:03):
has to go through. This is the way. This is
the coptain Kirk that I always imagined ever since I
saw him in the back of the original series.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I think there was another smart shot where we
see in that situation, Devin, I'm glad you brought it
up because it's an amazing sequence. But in that situation
where Spott goes to council Kirk, he comes in the
room and Kirk is kind of almost kneeling on the
floor beneath the chess board, and we've already seen him
established as this expert chess player, so to see him
(11:33):
in that kind of position where he's almost like a
kid looking at at this three D chess board, but
it's him kind of contemplating his next move. There are
just so many good shots in this episode. I don't
know how to list them all.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
But yeah, the what you mentioned earlier with the CGI
that that shot of the Enterprise coming in to help
the Farragut was just no i'minal shot.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, with the shield bubble around it. I love Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, it was a great ship to ship choreography, right, yeah,
Like we don't usually see ships move that way, and
I think it was it was used a great effect.
One of the interpersonal things that kind of surprised me
because I wasn't even thinking about it in the last episode,
even though we had seen some development between law and
and Spock is the kirk Lawn Spock triangle. Right here
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we go, I know, right, like wow, but it would
be very interesting to see where that goes.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I'm glad they gave enough time for that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, me too. It's It's funny how you guys you
only get ten episodes. Who so much has squeezed into these,
but they do such a good job of making sure
they touch base on it, and it's not too much,
it's not too little. It's like perfect it was.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
It's it's a very rich series.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I would say anybody who is, you know, kind of
on the fence about whether to see it, like you're
getting cinematic level, it effects, direction, score, acting like there's
a lot to chew on here, and I think if
you're again, if you're, it's a great time to to
be a Trek fan, but also to try to start
(13:12):
somebody on track, because this one, I think is very reachable,
very accessible.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
To all things.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And I hope that even if it doesn't happen now
that it's seen that way soon and if if the
next iterations of Trek are going to be like this,
I think we're seeing a good, healthy pattern of where
the franchise is going to go.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, if anything, just like Discovery gave us a Strange
New Worlds, Yes, I feel like Strange New world is
going to give us another rerun of the OG Crew.
I really hope they go that route.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't expect you episodes being redowne to the Og Crew.
That's fine, That's why I don't do that. Just give
us new adventures with this crew that we get to
see other parts of EPISS, you know, planets they explored
and stuff like that. I'm cool with that. And if
you want to give some Easter eggs along the way
as you're giving us a new og crew, okay, I'm
(14:04):
cool with that too. But I'm so hungry to see
I mean, we haven't been introduced to the Bones yet,
we've not been introduced to checkof for Szulu yet. I
can't freaking wright.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wait yeah, yeah, for sure. And I mean, what a
what a brilliant way to we've connective threads through your franchise.
Because there are people who may have just come to
Strange New Worlds and never have tried Discovery that may say, like,
that's interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I've never seen the Discovery.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
But if I went a little bit more Strange New Worlds,
I can go back to Discovery and get that fast
forward to the future when that series comes out, they
can do the same thing of Strange New Worlds and
then that lead frogs in the Discovery.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
It's just it's a very smart way they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I hope that you know, as they continue with the franchise,
they continue to explore in this way.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
How about we talk about the gut wrenching India. Go ahead,
a punch in the gut and the throat, whatever you
want to say, because oh my god, Like I love
the mystery behind that. These scavengers, you don't know who
they are. I mean, you obviously think there's some kind
of alien, some kind of creature the way they're playing
(15:14):
it off because they're in these suits. And then I
love how they edited the episode of the discovery that
you know, you're seeing them Garny to take off the mask,
Pike to take off the mask, and then you're seeing
their other crew elsewhere learning this at the same exact time.
I love the intercutting back and forth of them discovering it,
(15:34):
and then when we find out everything, you see the
US flag inside that chip, and then you see the
mask take off as the human being, and then we
get the whole backstory of this, and then you find
out all the what was it seven thousand bodies were
out there, Yeah, something like that, You know all those
were humans and their families. Oh my god. Yeah, that
(15:54):
was just heart wrenching.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, and there's so much story here left on tool
get you know, how did they become from go from
you know, being the best Scientist of Earth has to offer,
you know, which what was only about twenty thirty years
ahead of our time to that, I mean, what happened.
I don't know. You know that they're all dead, but
(16:18):
I still think there's more to explore. And it's very
possible this could come back. This could be just like
last episode and we're saying that, you know, we got
the beginning of more story for Stranger in the worlds.
This also could be a beginning too. I don't think
we're quite done with this story either.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Why couldn't we get something like this instead of section
thirty one gish, Yeah, go back and give us a
two hour movie paramount to explain how they ended up
like this.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, that's what we want, what we need.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, well, I mean especially considering like I remember on
the second watch, I noticed that behind the American flag
there was a sideways insigny that looked like the uh,
the Federation.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah yeah, it's like the precursor of the Federation or
the precursor of Starfleet I United Earth Space Probe Organization
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, Yeah, yeah, but it was it's interesting how they
kind of they turn a couple of things on their
head like one they get they step into that territory
of the scariest monsters are us. It felt like a
bit of a flip on the board. Yeah, definitely less organized,
(17:30):
but still that just you know, bent on consumption, but
without the the focus on technology. It's almost like a
galactus kind of spin, just throwing the universe and consuming.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, the way it destroyed that planet. And then when
the ship appeared, I was actually getting more of a
remember the old episode of Doomsday Machine. You know, we
never got a really origin on that either, but I
was getting vibes of that, and I was really expecting
some strange new aliens to appear, right.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
And you know, another thing that I found very intriguing
about this episode, and I mentioned earlier that there's no
way you saw this inding coming. It really felt watching
like The sixth Cents all over again for the first
time and not seeing that name because remember Hayley Josma says,
they don't know that they're dead. Giving is just that clue, Hello,
it's in your face. And here Pike says, he pointed
his gun, he didn't shoot.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why didn't he shoot that? Any great?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You know, and then you find out this whole back
thing and this backstory you're like, oh crap, now that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right well, and I mean it's interesting in that moment
it's like the the the Scavenger I'll say, points the
phaser at Pike. Pike reaches near his holster and pulls
out I don't know what, but it struck me as
maybe it's like a grenade or something, or some kind
of stun something. But he also holds onto it, like
(18:51):
he doesn't use that hesitation to to hit the scavenger.
He sees that kind of moment of recognition, that kind
of pause. You know, it's very interesting. There's so much
to unpack when you look at several viewings. Absolutely any
other favorite moments that that stood out.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It was just it was just a wonderful episode in
beginning to end. It really really was.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, there's one thing that I'll say is kind of
a dovetail to any kind of thing we want to
say about the score, because I usually say very little
about it. I leave that to you two experts. But
it did feel like there were notes from Wrath of
Khan in the scene where they were starting to have
the plan come together.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, yep, I caught that too. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
that was on purpose to it. It was very obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Lean little hints of the original theme when spocking Kirk
and all of that, and when Pike and Kirk were together,
you get you get tidbits of the of that you're like,
this is this is Kirk. You know, we know what's.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Coming, just just enough, just enough in the music to
make so that it's still original school, but it feels familiar.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I will say now that we have more Carol Caine
in this episode. My God, love Pellia. I'd love to
know how she keeps all of the stuff that she
keeps and where she keeps it.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Her room is awesome. Yes, I love her room.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
It's like it's like Peter David's Incredible Hulk future imperfect.
When you see the maestros.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, you're like, can I just spend a couple of
minutes here just just poking around?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Was it mem Banger who says this is exactly what
I expected her room to be?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, what I was thinking too.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
God.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm glad we got some Pellia time in there.
But yeah, there's there's plenty of stuff that I want
to just like pause and say, like what is that
in the background. Why don't you have this?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Why did she have that? Oh, she's got to be
a nightmare for crew storage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Though.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, when we got the original trailer for the
season and we saw them with the telephone, I never
iagine that would be in such this type of episode.
I was thinking either I thought it'd be the holiday episode,
but no, it was an original idea. I mean it
all made sense, using the telephone and using the joysticks
to control the enterprise.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I mean we talked about that that there. We thought
something coming along with analog. They got to ant go
to ANT go in out. That's right, you exactly what
this was analog.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
There was a there's a funny moment when uh Una
gets the the first phone plugged in. Yeah, and then
kind of sits there and I was like, crap, they
don't have phone numbers. Like I know, it doesn't matter,
but at the time, I was like, well, how did
they ring each other?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
It's got yeah, no way, And I know there's got
to be a bunch of Easter eggs. There were a few,
which one which one's poked out to you?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Oh well, first of all, let me explain to the
title of this episode. All the non Trekkers out there
who were probably saying, you know, what the hell is
this a lot? It's it's a vulcan beast that they
domesticate as like a pet. It's like a big, big bear.
Spock had one as a child that was named Aichaia. Now,
(22:14):
speaking of Pelly's quarters, you guys noticed that she hans
but Benga a and Aatari twenty six hundred. I love that. Now,
let's also talk about this this ship that they named
the Destroyer of Worlds. It carried the registry XCV one hundred.
That makes it the precursor of the XCV three point thirty.
(22:36):
That's the Ring Ship Enterprise, one of the earliest enterprises.
That's the one we see on the in the artwork
on the wreck room of its Star Trek the motion picture,
and we also see a model of it in the
Archers Quarter and Star Trek Enterprise. So it's a very
similar ship that actually comes from just a little bit
before that. Another thing, I also noticed that flag you
saw inside of it, I only had fifty stars on it.
(22:58):
That's rather unusual because that means this predates the Caaribdis
from the Next Generation episode the Royale, which was that
was very early because that had fifty two stars on
its flag. Now that ship launched. The Caribdis launched in
twenty thirty seven, which was right in the middle of
the World War Three, So I mean, does this has
(23:20):
to be before that? But I'm having trouble pinning down
the dates because with last year's episode, was it tomorrow, tomorrow,
and tomorrow? They've changed some dates around because World War
three is said to have started in the year twenty
twenty six, So let's hope they did change that, because
(23:41):
that gives you something to think about. Now, Pike and Lan,
they extract burion particles from the Enterprise's engineering section, where
it should be pretty familiar with barrion particles. It's a
byproduct of warp travel and starships tend to get saturated
with them. Picard had to sweep the Enterprise d of
(24:04):
varying particles in the episode Starship Mine. And then finally,
I have got to bring this up because this is
the easter egg of all easter eggs. This is the
big one for the season. Took three showings for it.
I had to go back and make sure I wasn't
imagining it myself. But there's a shot where the Enterprise
is being held by the Destroyer of Worlds. I'm going
(24:26):
to give you the exact time if you're watching it
on Paramount Plus. It's right at the eleven thirty mark.
That's the very first visual effect shot after coming back
from the second commercial break. The camera is panning down
and then up to the Enterprise and you can see
the window on the bridge. You can see them all
standing in there, and your eyes are focused on that
bridge and the people that are in it. But if
(24:48):
you look just up a little bit on the right,
there's the Tartist as clear as day. It's setting there,
right there on top of one of the tentacles. So
is that confirmation that Doctor Who and Star Treker in
the same universe are Is that just a little fun
inside joke from the FX crew. You can decide on that.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That's hysterically interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well there was another Doctor Who connection? Right, Well, I'll
swing for the fence and then Wayne can correct me
and we.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Could have that edited out if I get it completely wrong.
But John Logi.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Baird, Yes, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, he
was one of the earliest pioneers of television. I forgot
that even mentioned him. Yeah, that was a very major
point in a recent episode back in twenty twenty three
called The Giggle.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I loved the fact that they gave Scotty that line.
And then he says the Scottish inventor everyone knows John
Logi Baird, and I will admit I did not, So
I went and looked him up. And I think it's
a clever use of saying, like, let's get more people
talking and kind of remind them of these, you know, inventors,
these important people in history.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
But that he's uh, Scottish.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I think as a great ad there, And yeah, it
makes me want to go watch The Giggle again.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So are we not going to mention that Hellia is
a roadie for Grateful Dead Oh.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, my god.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah yeah, and that Ortegas had no idea what that meant.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
She was like, you had dead people, yea dead people. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh, Pelly is an easter egg in herself. I mean
you just you can spend quite a long a time
just looking at her room picking out some of the
fun stuff that she's got laying around.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
She's an easter basket. Yeah, She's got the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
All right, Well, speaking of a lot of a lot
of amazing crew members on here, which one do each
of you feel shined the most?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Dave will go to you first.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
There's no doubt in my mind it's James T. Kirk
uh in this one. You know, getting to see his weaknesses,
his strength, getting to see that Kirk, you know, Philly
throwing to bubble up. We become the Kirk that we know,
the relationships that he's already making with the O G
crew that you know he doesn't know, with the head
for him, but they are the ones who are going
(27:10):
to become a family, but become the crew that we
know that runs the Enterprise without question. And Wesley did
an amazing job as Kirk in this episode. He always does,
and I cannot wait to see more of him.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, totally agree, Wayne, what about you?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I agree one hundred percent. This is Kirk's episode. I mean,
they did a great job of making sure this is
still a Stranger World episode, but this curtain stole the
show on this I mean, getting to see the beginnings
of the Captain Kirk that we would know from the
original series right here, you know, is where it all started.
You know, his new interactions meeting some of the other
characters for the first time. His interactions was Spock, you know,
(27:49):
it's not quite friendship yet, but I'm pretty sure we
were at the respect stage right now. It's coming. The
friendship is coming. I love that. I think that that
was my favorite part of the entire episode, and it
shine throughout.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'll go three for three and totally agree it's it's
James D.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Kirk.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I think the writing and the performance from Paul Wesley
is phenomenal. He is doing exactly what I think this
franchise needs, which is to help infuse a little bit
more connective lifeblood into the franchise. Not that I think
it's hurting for it in any way, shape or form,
(28:29):
but it is giving another connection, another way in for.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
People to absorb it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
And he's giving a reason behind, Like what I had
said with the you know things that might seem like
ego before, you can see the reason for some of
those things just through this one episode, let alone everything
else we've seen from him. One thing that stood out
to me is that he infuses the what I would
say is but like the stereotypical Shatner speech pattern yep
(28:56):
with Kirk whenever you see him, you know, hear him mocked.
He's kind of like, Scotty, what do we do in
this situation? They's going to like pause. He uses it
to great effect in here, because he's trying to say,
like Scotty and in that silence, say I want to
focus on your idea. What do you think we can do?
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He just infuses that ever so slightly not too exaggerated
effect because we heard that in the previous episode, which
is a lot of fun, but you can see the
reasoning for it, and you can kind of infer your
own meeting behind why he does certain things, so that
when you get to hopefully that new series where we're
following Kirk and his crew growing that relationship and starting
(29:38):
to work together, that it all makes a lot more
sense and it makes people want to go back to
the original series and say I want more of this.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And speaking of Scotty, I mean, how about the scenes
there where he was questioning Kirk and you know, just like,
are you kidding me? This is your idea? Where's he going?
Why is he leaving the bridge? You know? And is
this I love that because right there in there you're
seeing a Scotty that we'd never really seen before. He
doesn't trust Kirk, he doesn't respect him, he doesn't understand him,
and you know what's coming down the road between the
(30:09):
two of them. So I thought that was fantastic as well.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, a lot of respect building here, not which with Spock,
but with Scott and your hur and all them. Yeah,
I mean we're you see the friendships coming, and you
see that that great crew that we we learned from
the original series. It's it's coming, and I hope we
get that series now. I wanted more than ever. We've
mentioned it before, but I think it's seeing new episodes
(30:34):
with them would be so wonderful.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And how about Horror coming to back for him? Yeah,
I forget about that too. You know, she said she
he helped me, he gave me a chance, So let's
do that. Let's do the same thing for him. M
love that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I mean it's given such a reason for how
they interact, right like with a R with a Herrah,
It's she's not just translating, she's not just managed the
communications channels. She's figuring out how to get people to talk,
and she's helping to make those kind of foster those
interpersonal dynamics, but then draw them from them and get
(31:11):
the real strength behind them to get people talking to
a solution they need to find.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
She did it with Scotty in the last episode. Did
It's a great effect here.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think when you bring up a great point about Scotty,
I think they're going to get to a point where
he says, I trust Kirk's instincts and I'll follow him
and I might even be able to kind of read
his mind and see where he's going with a certain thing.
But what he's asking in return is I need to
(31:39):
know why. I need to know how you want this
to work. I need to know why you're asking me
to do this so that I can understand how to
get around the issues that I've got because it'll take
me two days to do this. You want it in
two hours. But I got to know why. There's a
lot of things I want to see continue to develop there.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Absolutely, you brought up your Hera. This show, Strange New
Worlds has done more for the character of you her
since ever before, when Michelle Nichols was playing it. You know,
and I think this is one of the best things
to come out of this show. I've mentioned many times
before how much I love the Celia Rose Gooding's performance
(32:19):
as you were here, and this this just shows it.
It's one of my favorite characters, always has been. She
really does Michelle proud and I can't. I'm so happy
that they're giving her more than just the haling frequencies
open lines that she had before.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You totally agree, Well, along those lane, Along those lines, Wayne,
if there is a favorite character that you would want
to be in this episode, who would it be? Well?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I was going to say Kirk for the same reasons
as we just brought up, but then I started thinking
of the ending and how it's going to say with
him emotionally, and I changed my mind. So I decided
to choose Scottie. Why not because you know, he got
to meet the people that he's going to be forever
attached to, and he got to perform, like I mentioned before,
his very first engineering feat that'll give him the nickname
(33:10):
the Miracle Worker. I think he's so early in his
career and we all love love Scotty and the performance
that the actress giving, So yeah, I want to be him.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Dave, what about you?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I've already given this answer before, but I'm gonna say
it again, Pelly up, because I want to explore that
damn quarters of earth.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Right there with you. That's exactly what I was gonna say,
aside from the fact that she just seems to be having.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
A blast, like yeah, not only does she have a
lot of stuff to explore, but she's giddy when she
says like, oh I haven't done this and say warned
for the dead, And she has a justification for all the.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Hoarding that she's doing in her room.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I don't think she'll ever have a use for that
hypnot a cat clock that feels the cat clock that
she has, but you know, there's a reason for keeping
all those phones. I'm sure that On is probably rolling
her eyes because she's like, great now, I'm never going
to take her talk her out of getting all of
her stuff out of storage and getting off the ship, right.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
The first thing I thought of when I saw that
room is how the hell does she get all that
stuff on the enterprise? I mean, does should she carry
this all this this crap along with her all the
time everywhere she goes? And I just I could just
see them either beaming it all into the transporter room
and all these poor uh engineering people having to carry
all that stuff into her room. It's probably probably why
(34:30):
it's laying all over, but she just dumped it all
over there, you know, or you take care of it
and she don't care, you know, she just listens later.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It would be great if we could get a short
track following the lower deckers that inevitably have to haul
that stuff, yes, and losing the one thing that they shouldn't. Yeah, anyway,
any closing thoughts, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
No, just a great episode and I'm sure next week
will probably see the same thing. Hey, this is my
favorite episode again. They just keep topping themselves, man, and
it's been one hell of a ride this season already.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
And next episode is that what we believe is going
to be that the documentary one, the what is star Fleet?
And there is a they did put it in a blurb.
I'm glad they're starting to do this. Paramount Leus's starting
to put a little blurbs about the episode. This time
it says Pike and his crew face on one and
scrutiny from a probing journalist while helping a war torn planet.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Oh yeah, it's got to be the documentary episode.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, it'd be interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
It is yep.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Cool. Well, thank you both as always, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's always a pleasure, absolutely fun, fantastic, and.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Thank you listeners.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
We'll be back next week for another episode and hopefully
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Speaker 5 (36:04):
Stunt you know what, do whatever the hell you guys want.
I'm out of.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Here, get out.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
All right already?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Sure, okay, Dave, yes, it's been a long day, dude,
all right, I get to keep the energy going.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Say him here, okay three two one
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