Prince - Under the Cherry Moon

Some of your asked for it. Some of you feared it. What Jeff and guest Jason Colvin of the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast started, David and Scott continue. Get ready for a Return to Cherry Moon!

Special appearance by Jason Colvin. Check out his hilarious observations on the episode below!
1986: Under the Cherry Moon

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is like this if you if you've never seen
this movie before, This is like if somebody watched The
Phantom Menace and said, Okay, some good, some bad.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm equating a Phantom menas purple ring. Okay, some good,
some bad, some very exciting, some very interesting. Let's take
the jar Jar Binks part and make a whole movie
out of it and then make him the director.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh wow, yeah, okay that that that that works. That
absolutely works. Uh And and this is tricky just describing
us about tricky. But I kind of feel like their
relationship it looks a little intimate at times. Am I
am I of line because.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
There's a lot of uncomfortable, very close talking between these two.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. And and
I can even I can even understand, when you know,
you get angry with with someone, whether it's your friend
or your brother, or your cousin or your sidekick, you
might get within close proximity to talking to each other.
But I can't imagine any situation where I'm going to

(01:30):
take a bath and and you're gonna sprinkle rose petals,
you know, like sporadically throw rose petals into my bath
and sit next to me and talk while I'm while
I'm bathing. That's that's just that's just weird.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I mean, I you and I have become friends, but
I Am not going to sprinkle rose petals.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
While you're taking a bath. Of all the things that
I could ask you to do, that will never be
well of them, It just won't. I'll tell you what

(02:25):
I'm gonna give you, guys. I'm gonna give you guys
a shot here. I didn't tell you as I didn't
tell you I was gonna do this, but I was like,
we could have some fun. We don't have to talk
about this movie. Provided one of you can answer, oh God,
a trivia question and I'll give you I'll let you,
guys decide who can answer it, and I'm gonna give

(02:47):
you the I'm gonna give you the category. The category
is Star Trek.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Who wants to? Who wants to? Who wants to take
a stab at? That's saving yourselves?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Why why is Wayne not here?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
He's the guru?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Uh Scott?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
You can all right?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
That might be a good That might that might be
a good call. Because I'm going to ask you about
a character from Star Trek Discovery.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh ship.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Okay, so Scott, Yeah, let me just google it real quick.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You get out of there, Scott, Scott, all you need
to do is tell me what character mentioned playing drums
for Prince?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Which character?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, which Star Trek character had a dream that he
was playing drums for Prince that he was Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
In other words, we're talking about mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
I know there's hold on.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
No, you can't be cheating. You can't be looking it up.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
No, I'm not looking it up A drink of water.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, no, no, Gus, times run out, Scott, we need
an answer, standards. I'm sorry, that's not correct. In the
episode and obol for Charon, jet Reno, upon regaining consciousness,
mentions having dreamed of playing drums for Prince, which means, gentlemen,

(04:37):
that Prince is Cannon. Prince and his music is Cannon,
and his movies are all Cannon in the Star Trek universe,
jet Reno. Yes, I've never watched Discovery, so I don't
know who that is. You guys had a shot.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Though, well we had a shot O. Sorry, okay, No,
it's it's fine. Other than the fact that Commander jet
Reno is a twenty third century female Human Federation Starfleet officer.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I don't know what that means in relation to the
question you said, he I said, well, you know, I
don't know who you did. You weren't gonna do it anyways.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
No, I wasn't gonna know it anyway.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
I wouldn't know either, So don't I can't sit there
like that.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
But don't sit there like John McClain and Diehoer with aventures. No. No,
the answer is one we're not going to We're not
going to debate, you know, Jet Reno.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Hey, you shot this is It's fine, this is Christopher
Tracy's parade. Totally fine. I just I don't know what
we did uh to make you make us watch this movie.
But I'm really really sorry. I apologize unreservedly. I do
offer a complete and utter retraction.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, halfway through this movie, I'm questioning everything. I'm questioning life.
What what?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
What did? What do you do to?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And where does that?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
All?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
We'll talk about where this stacks up with Troll and
powered the Duck and Scott.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
If there's any if there's any consolation, if there's any consolation,
we're here today because it's entirely your fault.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
No, that's that's totally play. I will take this bullet.
There's nobody I would rather talk about Under the Cherry
Moon with than you and Dave. I just wish weighing
the best of luck. When he and Amber have to
say there, they're ten hail jefferies to uh serve their

(06:37):
dependance and watch this this.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'll tell you what you know, we were talking, we
were talking about Superman a minute ago out. I'll give
you guys an opportunity. At the end of the pod,
I'll give you guys an opportunity to be heroes. You know,
we'll see, we'll see how we'll see how you're feeling.
But in the meantime, let's talk about a film by Prince,

(07:04):
his nineteen eighty six disastrous directorial debut, Under the Cherry Moon. Hello, everybody,

(07:29):
and welcome back to a Film by podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
David Burns, and I'm Scott Hoffman and Scott we are.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
We're here because of you me so as memory as
memory serves. A couple of years back, you know, we
had our limited series nineteen eighty six going, and Jason
Colvin made a offhanded remark joking that we you know,
we ought to do under the Cherry Moon mm hmm,

(08:01):
and I pretended not to hear it mm hmm. But
then I don't know, six seven times you you you
brought it up on other pods, on other episodes.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
It's like Beetlejuice, I said it too many times.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, you you don't open the decronomicon and start reciting
incantations and not expect shit to happen. Man, like you
said candy Man five times, You said candy Man five times,
you said Beetlejuice three times. You just kept saying cherry Moon.
And and then me and Jason took the bullet because
as as I as I recall, I said, hey, guys,

(08:37):
you want to do this? And you both laughed in
my face. You said, absolutely not, We're not doing that.
And uh, I got Jason, our our dear friend Jason
Colvin from the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcast to
join us. We did it. We took our medicine.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
It was a gem of an episode. Was genuinely an
amazing episode.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It was a it was absolutely a fun conversation, it
really was. But then over the years, Scott, you you
kept bringing up Cherry Moon.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Oh, I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And that's why that's why we're here today for a
return to Cherry Moon.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
So what have I done?

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I have got dragged a hell because of you, Scott.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Dave. Several days ago, Dave sends a message in the
chat what format, what outline are we using for this
stupid movie? At that point, I was like, well, is
this going to be? You know, we're not doing nineteen
six because Jason and I already did that and you know,
so I don't know what this is going to be,
like an amalgam of things, I think, but uh, let

(09:43):
me give.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
You much like this movie. Much like this movie.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Let me let me give you three facts about Prince
and uh and a quote. Diagnosed with epilepsy as a child,
he suffered from seizures throughout early childhood, but in two
thousand and nine, he openly talked about his condition and
is one of the very few celebrities to ever go

(10:08):
public about it, and he actually credits epilepsy with motivating
him to become a performer.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well good for him, Yeah, yeah, that's wow. I had
no idea.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Let's talk about some of the company that Prince kept
and I'm not talking about the ladies. We'll get to
them in a minute. Prince, along with Sylvester Stallone, Roberto Obernini,
Kevin Costner, William Shatner, because Dave, it all comes back
to Star Trek Yes and Tom Green. These gentlemen, maybe

(10:43):
with exception of Tom Green, you can say these are
these are some pretty amazing actors in Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
They all share the dubious honor of directing themselves in
performances that won them a as the Award for Worst Actor.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
What a great club to begin.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
How about that club?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's got like paper coasters. There's like a streaming door
on the front of it.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
We mentioned Jason Colvin, this one's for him. Prince was
an avid basketball fan and his favorite team just happened
to be the Oklahoma City Thunder, who recently won the
twenty twenty five championship against the Pacers. Really that's cool now,
Look quote from The Purple One on being cool, Prince said,

(11:39):
cool means being able to hang with yourself. All you
have to do is ask yourself, is there anybody I'm
afraid of? Is there anybody who if I walked into
a room and saw I'd get nervous. If not, then
you're cool. Sounds like something David Burns would say.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Was thinking when you're recording them. Hey, that's something that
probably would say.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah, guys, let's I want to take a quick second.
I want to watch I want to watch the trailer
real quick.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Let's do it. Okay, we get my tongus.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Okay, what don't have to.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
See it?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Just jump hear it from dust.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Jail, don't.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Feel it, extremely.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Live it. I'm gonna show you a soul about.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Princh his new motion picture Under the Cherry Moon. You
feel the beat, you all feel the heat.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
We could help.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Under the Cherry move all right. So here's the thing.
Am I wrong in saying that this actually looks like
a good mesmerizing neo noir film wise? Yes? I mean

(13:55):
you gotta be a little excited for it, a little.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
I mean, if I didn't know the history, if I
didn't know the history of this movie, you knowing it
just seeing that trailer by itself, Yeah, sure, probably I
would go with that.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, I think it's probably good. You know, let's go
back to when this came out. There's probably a little
bit of phantom Menace effect going on. Here where you
see the trailer, you see Prince who was like at
the peak of cool, and he's doing a black and
white noir movie. You know it's gonna be stylish, you
know it's gonna have good songs. So yeah, it's no

(14:28):
surprise I would pull people in.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Here's the thing I don't get. Prince Rogers Nelson was
five foot two and a half and weighed somewhere between
one hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty pounds. Yes. Wow,
Yet he's romantically linked to Kim Basinger, Madonna, Carmen Electra,
Vanity Appollonio Catero, Sheila E, Susannah Hoffs, and Sherilyn Finn

(14:55):
just to name a few. I mean, was like, fuck, yeah, yeah,
and he's yeah, he's Prince. But you know, Kim Bason
was five foot seven, yeah, barefoot. Kim Basi was five second.
I think the shortest I think the shortest lady he's
he's spent time with was five foot four. What Scott
is he really is? Prince? Really? Was he that really

(15:16):
that sexy?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I mean, it's charisma, it's style, He's a musical genius.
So I would say it's not that surprising. I doubt
that he was wooing them while, you know, chewing on
a butterscotch like he was in this movie doing the
Bella Lagosi thing. But you know, there's I can see
why they'd be attracted to.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
What do you think about is uh his clothes.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
His clothes were very prince, but they also felt very
out of place, you know, for the period for everybody else.
I mean, like, he's not gonna wear like a you know,
a three piece suit the whole time. I get that,
but it's very prince.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
We're on the we're on the French riviera. It looks,
you know, we got mo and cars, but there's no
clue as to what year it is, right m Yeah,
I guess so his his his his outfits are a
little questionable.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, enigmatic, how about that?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Okay, all right, here's here's my challenge. Here's my challenge.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
If I if I spend the money on one, just
one prince outfit, I will pay for your conventions in
twenty twenty six. All you have to do is, Dave,
you get to here's the deal. You get to. You
get to go to every every con in twenty twenty
six for free. It's on my dime. You just have

(16:39):
to dress like prince.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Oh, I'll take you up on that offer. Can I
choose what outfit?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
No, you can't.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Well some of us can cook because.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
In the tuxedo. Try, I thought I had him, No
pure prince good? Try Yeah, Dave, think of all the
all the celebrities that we've met, Think about all the
ones that we will meet coming soon. No, you get
your photo? You could you could get a photo taken
with them.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
No, because I know you too well and I know
the offence that you're probably gonna pick for me.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm good like that, you know, like that headband ensemble
things playing piano. No, ok, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
You might.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
You might look good.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Just own it. Just burst into the door and say
baby on the star man.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
A hundred minutes of this movie and painful minutes. Well,
how many times have you watched it? Because this is
it's like my third time. Now, jeez, I well, I
made a mistake. I made a mistake because I forgot
to say, you know, hey, I did my time. You

(17:48):
know now it's it was supposed to my My thought
was that you and Scott would be alone doing this.
But but I didn't prep you. I didn't give you
any kind of outline. So I was like, oh, I
guess I gotta I can just moderate. I don't know.
I'm kind of I'm stuck here too. I'm like the Harbinger,
you know, I'm like the Red Skull, and I'm like

(18:08):
the Red Skull and endgame. Just I'm stuck here with
on the Cherry Moon.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
In the center hub. And then you had to go back.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Scott has drug you to hell again. See you got
away and you just got drug right back to.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah. I had seen this once before because you and
Jason had watched it, because I had already been through
Howard the Duck and Troll and uh I uh, a
couple of other movies, and I went through it. I
watched it, and I could not believe what I was seeing.

(18:44):
And then for some reason, I just haded to watch
it again for this episode.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
When you guys were talking about this movie, Oh, come on,
it can't be that bad. Come on, it can't be
that bad. And then I hit play and started watching it.
And then I started the performances that I was witnessing,
the eye rolling that he was doing while he's playing
the piano and eyeing basically, I don't know, making love

(19:09):
to this girl as she's he's watching her playing. Is
he's young the piano? No immedi they Oh my god,
what if I got myself into he.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Scott, You mentioned Bella Lagosi and I don't know what's
going on. He's I don't think he's purposely trying to
be silly with this Bella Lagosi eye thing that he's
got going on in the movie, but it's so awkward
and it is cringey.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
He really needed an acting coach here. I don't know
if he had one. I don't know. Maybe he refused wine.
It's hard to say, but man, did he need one desperately.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, And I mean you know that he's like, you know,
he's playing into the silly. It's him and Tricky and
Katie and they're saying like, well, we're not going to
give you the rent, but what else can we do?
And then then I feel like he is leading in
to the silly of it a little bit. I think
he and Jerome on several occasions here are having fun,
but I kind of feel like they're having too much fun.
It's kind of like, I mean, there's a difference between

(20:10):
watching somebody have fun, and then it's kind of like, oh,
it makes it fun for us, but it almost kind
of seems like it's just fun for them so many
times that that's what kind of pulls me out of.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
It some of these Scott, you're dangerously close to defending
the performances of Prince and Jerome bitten and I'm digging this, man.
I didn't I didn't have that on my Bengo card.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
So this is an alternate reality.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Scott did not bother you guys. Do you guys are cousins?

Speaker 6 (20:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I think they're supposed to be brothers.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, So I don't want to step on the episode
that Jason I did too much. I'm gonna try. I'm
gonna go out of my way to not do that.
But we had this conversation, and when you do the research,
it's something. Some things you read they're brothers, and some
things you read there their cousins. And Tricky even calls
him cousin. Yeah. Yeah, Yet there's some really heated moments

(21:09):
between them where they are just millimeters from each other's faces.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's where I was going with that. Jeff, the scene
where he's in the bathtub, and tricky is just like
putting pedals into the flower, I mean into the into
the water, and he's playing with a Fisher Price little person.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I mean, Okay, so we've we've been on the road
plenty of times, our group right where doing doing the
convent stuff. So we should we share hotel rooms. I
I gotta know, like, if if I'm taking a bath, Scott,
how comfortable are you sitting subside having a conversation.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
You know that that's your personal time, Jeff, you do
what you gotta do in there.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Here's the thing I'm not saying. I'm gonna request that
you distribute rose petals like sporadically in the bath while
we're while we're talking. But I just kind of feel like,
maybe there's a there's some boundaries.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
There's some boundaries. I think you can answer your own
phone calls, you know. I feel like the cordial stretch,
I feel like along those lines. You know, it's I
don't know, it's entirely possible, and I don't want to
step on the or rehash what you guys had already
talked about. But maybe they're just thrown around those terms
and making it kind of ambiguous. But they're friends that

(22:32):
are so close that they kind of say like, oh
cousin and YadA, YadA, YadA. But it's more like they
had grown up together or they had that kind of relationships.
They're not really related, but.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know, our friendships go nearly thirty years now, yep,
And I don't because I don't feel phone after thirty years.
I don't feel like I'm I'm bathtub close with you
guys yet.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
No, and it won't happen either. Put that out there.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well, what I'm wondering was he didn't he didn't splurge
for the bubbles.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like, yeah, that's that's that's the other. That's a good point, Scott.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
There are no bubbles narrow him a bottle of uh,
you know, mister bubble to be found there. And I
think could you use some some strategically placed SuDS.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, let's let's point out that he gets out of
the tub and then goes back in to the tub.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Okay, one tub scene wasn't enough. We gotta get back
in the we gotta get back in the water.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Now, maybe Tricky is smart. He's throwing the petals because
there's so he's trying to cover things up, trying to.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Listen. There's a pile of washcloths on the table. We
don't need, we don't need flower petals. We need we need,
we just need some coverage.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
You need leaves of lettuce, lettuce. Just yeah, answer your
own phone.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's all good, good, good call Scott Dave. For those
that we're never brave enough to watch Under the Cherry Moon,
can you can you tell our listeners what this one's
all about? Can you give us one of your famous synopsis?

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, I've got one. It's short and I went with
him as cousins, so we'll roll with that, okay, But
first I must say I must have that disease. What
is it called? It's called stupid. Just like this film,
two cousins, Tricky and Christopher, who are from Florida, find
themselves in Mediterranean and in the Mediterranean enjoying scamming as
many people as they can to make a living. The

(24:41):
cousins meet Mary, who was about to hear a lot
of money, so they had to plan to go after her,
but only for Chris to fall in love with her,
making Tricky jealous, who eventually tells her what is going on,
driving the cousins apart.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Thank you, uh you know, and again, I'm gonna try
not to do this often, but uh, I know, I know.
Jason Covin called this cocktail meets dirty rotten scoundrels except dumb,
with a little bit of dirty dancing thrown in there.
Maybe well, okay, a little, maybe a little bit. He

(25:14):
also said that, uh, this would be like, you know,
because we're we're big prince fans. Real quick, where are
you guys with princes?

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Are you prince fans? Like I'm talking to music, not
of course, pecifically under the chairman. Okay, so we're all
prince forrs. Right, Okay, let's get that out of the way.
We loves Yeah. I think Jason said something along the
lines of if this was Star Wars, it's like, let's
remove all the good and let let's just do a
whole movie about jar Jar Binks. And I was like,

(25:46):
you know what that that actually that that's an cherry moon.
That is under the cherry moon.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
It is it is.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Uh, let's talk about some of the some of the
some of the characters here though, Drome Bitten playing tricky,
this is this is Jerome from a Morris Day in
the in the time. If you if you weren't aware,
I know you are. Scott loves Jungle Love. It's one
of his favorite tracks. The Man, I'm yeah, the Man
with the Mirror? Yeah, how could he? Scott? Could he

(26:15):
overact any anymore than what he's doing here?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I'm absolutely sure he could.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, Oh you're thinking there's more? You think you think?
You think he has a You think Tricky has a
few more tricks up his sleeve.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think if he had had more scenes, he probably
would have chewed that scenery as as much as possible
because they were both just like they were just having
a good time with this. So yeah, I think he
would have turned it way up.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Is the movie better with more more Tricky?

Speaker 5 (26:41):
No? No, no.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Again, Scott, you're you're It sounds like you're you're definitely
pro Jerome, and I think that ain't a bad thing.
But it just seems like you're I think, as we
go along, we're gonna we're gonna get to the you
know this this the the center, and we're going to
find out that maybe you maybe, yeah, maybe you like
this movie get.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
To the post. Well, I'll tell you what, as oh,
here we go has seen this? So what I realized
watching this the second time. Is not that I like
this movie, but I understand it. I think a little
bit more that it seems to be a movie by
Prince for Prince, possibly for Prince's deepest fans, his closest friends,

(27:26):
because you see a lot of that Prince style. You
see that he's not going to apologize for anything, and
he's not going to change anything for anybody. But that
gets in his own way, because to me, it's just
like it's overly stylized, it's overly done, it's over the top,
and they're just kind of laughing through it. But I
kind of feel like if I had dropped a movie ticket,

(27:50):
you know, bought a movie ticket for this, I would
not be happy. In eighty six. It wouldn't be the
kind of Prince movie that I would want to see.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
There's only one thing I like about this movie, and
that was black and white. I think that was a
good artistic way to go. But other than that, I
didn't like the film at all.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, all right, well, well I do want to talk
about that here in a minute also, Dave. But let's
focus on some stuff that's that's scoring good in the movie.
Kristin Scott Thomas Kristin Scott Thomas in her her feature
film debut. Yeah this is maybe this is peak Scott
Thomas Ton.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Oh, absolutely, yep.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
You have to You have to love the introduction of
her character her birthday party, in her birthday twenty first
birthday party, she debuts her birthday suit.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
And then for reasons I don't understand, she jumps on
the drums. She plays them very badly. And then this
whole thing with like Scott was bringing up the bell
Lagosi in the eyes like I don't know what's going
on with her, and and Prince like he's he's across
the courtyard and they're kind of having sex just with
their eyeballs.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, I guess he does a lot in that in this.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
So he does, he does. I'm gonna, can I get
Can I get controversial here for a minute?

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
All right?

Speaker 5 (29:08):
All right?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
So two years before we get Purple Rain, which is
a classic nineteen eighty four it's just it's it's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
And we get Prints in Apollonia, the laters of the
waters of Lake Minnetaka. I know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Now,
I'm not saying we needed the audience's view. But shouldn't
we at least seen like a little bit of the
backside there, Scott, Yeah, you know, it's just you know,

(29:40):
it's it's a little playful. It's not like she's an
Oscar winner. She's she's twenty one years old. It's her
first movie. You mean, in that first scene or just
in that in that first No, in that first scene,
because they're The sex scene between them later is an abomination,
and the less we see of it the better, in
my opinion. In the car, yeah, well, in the car

(30:01):
and on the Rocky Shore, the hidden oh yeah, yeah,
Rocky Shore. Yeah, it's it's bad, but just a little
couldn't Scott, could we got things? Couldn't things have been
a little cheeky?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Possibly? But like we intended to see her when you
first hear her. I mean, would it have made sense
at the time in the story, yes, would it have
kind of popped the balloon on all our sex appeal
to say, like, hey, I'm naked, you're gonna see You're
talking just a little bit. You're not saying that.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I'm just saying no, I don't want to see I
don't want to see the audience that that's in front
of her. I don't want their peep. I just I'm
just saying, she drops the towel, you know, a little
I mean a little backside.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Maybe maybe that's in the alternate reality video store you
get a little taste of that.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Or she refused.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
That could be the case exactly.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Maybe Prince wanted it and she's like, no, we're not,
You're not going to refuse. Prince.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Look at those eyes of his.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
The Bello Legosia.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
He's in a Bella Lagosia. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
So I've got a quote from Kristen Scott Thomas about
this movie. Okay, so she says, when I left drama school,
I was more afraid of not working at all than
of the actual material I was being offered. And if
you look at me at my very first film, you
understand exactly what I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean, it's amazing that she survived this and she
went like this. She went on to do the English Patient,
so you know she's okay, she did good. Hey, listen, Scott,
I'm not saying I like that.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
She went on to slow horses, which is much better
than English patients. From Mary Sharon, I would.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Say, yeah, but wasn't she in The Horse Whisper too?
Didn't she play the mother in the Horse Whisper?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Maybe? Scott? Are you are you connecting under the Cherry
Moon to the amazing Apple Plus TV show Slow Horses?

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Scott? What are you doing? What are you doing right now?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Hell's happening here?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I'm saying she she shows up in this movie with
attitude and confidence and you know, all this other kind
of stuff. Does that help to set the pace for
other roles that she's gonna take Where she's in Slow
Horses and she's the the head of m I five
or whatever it is, and she's not taken anything from anybody.
You know, we couldn't have gotten there without this.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
No, you know what she doesn't do in this movie though,
really not sure, but she doesn't save the movie. She
doesn't shore. But I'll tell you who who could have
saved this movie? Who was trying to save the movie?
Can we talk about the hero of the film?

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Sure, Burkeoff, mister Isaac Sharon?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Is it just is it bad riding? Is it bad direction?
Is it just bad in general? That the quote unquote
villain of the movie is the guy you're kind of
rooting for. The guy, the guy that you kind of
he makes sense, right, and.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
You should clearly not be rooting for this guy. But
you shouldn't be, but you are.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
What's okay? A bad guy does bad things? What did
mister Sharon do that was so bad?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
He?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Let's let's run down, let's let's let's bullet point this.
He's like what a billionaire shipping magnet or something of
that along the lines, gives his wife and daughter anything
they ever want. On her twenty first birthday, he's giving
his He's giving Mary a fifty million dollar yeah trust fund.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Mary knows it's pretty obvious that that Christopher Tracy, you know,
aka Prince, is a jiggielow. He's out for her money.
He's trying to swindle her. She knows it. And when
Dad tells her this and tries to explain it, she's
all like, you know, like me, I just you know,

(34:02):
he's he's he's a good guy. What what was his crime? Scott?
What do you do? I?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I think the moment that he turned to murderous rage
was when Christopher Tracy goes over to a phone booth
and calls him and it just goes through this tirade
of I'm going to do this to your daughter. I'm
gonna do this to your daughter. Yeah, I'm that guy
the other night, and there's nothing you can do about it.

(34:28):
Like he was, he was. Definitely, he's definitely poking the
bear for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Christopher Tracy is the woody woodpecker of the French riviera.
He is just he's just out to get get at you.
And uh, I don't know. Stephen Barkoff. He's known for
playing villainous roles. You know, Victor Maitland in Beverly Hills,
Cop Colonel Podowski in Rambo First Blood Part two. Mm hm,

(34:58):
you know he was a he was a general and octopusy. Yeah,
but he's not a bad guy here. He's not.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
He's not.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
You can understand for sure where he's coming from. Yes,
absolutely do I endorse murder.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Okay, well hold on, let's let's let's help coming from.
Let's help the listeners who maybe have made it this
far on the like Jesus Christ another cherry moon, maybe
they haven't seen it. Let's let's let's uh for those
that haven't seen it. There, let's let's clarify. He does
not murder. Christopher Tracy one.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Of his thugs. Is that fair? Well, I mean he
gets the order, does he not? He says shoot him.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
In the heat of the moment, you know, stop that guy,
shoot him?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Order let him. In the series from a Film By podcast, we.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Say things like, you know, just because you say, man,
I could, I could kill that guy, doesn't mean you're
gonna actually kill that guy, mister Sheeron, man, Dave can
ask you. I'm gonna give you choices. I like choices, Okay,
Choice one. You can hang around. You can spend the

(36:13):
day at an art gallery in Beverly Hills with Victor Maitland.
Or you can spend the day in Vietnam and I
don't know what he was doing besides torturing people with
electricity and bedframes, but uh, you can hang out with
you can hang out with Padoski, or you can you
can hang out on the French revi area with with

(36:34):
mister Sharon who you gonna spend the day with? Which
which burkoff are you spending your day with?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
I think I'm gonna play it safe and I'm gonna
go with mister Sharon here on the French rivy Era,
because I mean, come on, it's the French riviy era
and let's have alcohol flowing and lady, So I think
I'm gonna go to the save route here.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Well, see, I knew you were gonna say that, and
it just it just strengthens my point that mister Sharon's
he's a good hang, he's good time, a good guy. Yeah,
he's a good guy.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
He's not the villain, I'll give you that.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Who is the villain? Is it tricky? Is it Christopher?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think Christopher Tracy is the villain. I think, so
let's let's not forget he. Okay, So he opens the
movie openly as a con man. He is seducing older
divorcees yep, to get their money and that's that's their
game like that, and he's like, aah, I'm getting tired

(37:30):
of this. So he's it's this is like one of
those classic one last score type of movies, right, and
here comes you know, twenty one year old smoke show
Christin Scott Thomas, who's got fifty million dollars and if
he could just get her and get all that money,
they can go back to Miami because like there's like
a weird subplot where they're on the run from someone.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I never understood that. Did you that missed something I've
I mean, I've only seen it three times, but.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
You didn't miss anything because I discutched my hit on
that one as well.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
They're hiding out in the French rivi Era, but they
want to go back home to Miami, but they're they
not until they get the money. So I don't know
who they I don't know who's after him, but that
would have been a cool avenue to go down.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Maybe maybe it's more interesting or pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
We don't need it, I think I think the only
thing Scott needs more than one hundred minutes. He's like,
we could have we could have delved another backstory a
little more.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
The only thing that would say this is the Colvin
cut that you that Jason provided on the the episode
you did together. Yeah, that I would want to see
in the Alternate Reality Video Store once.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
But just well, you know, listeners go back check out
are nineteen eighty six under the Cherrymoon episode. Because I
know we're I know we've alluded to it several times.
We probably will several more times. But there's some fun
stuff in that one. Jason Colvin we had, we had
a great time and you know, he gave us one
of his famous COVID cuts, how to how to fix

(39:01):
a movie. Basically, he gave us a better soundtrack. He
he he fixed the movie and good time had.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
By all speaking speaking of that soundtrack, is it just
me or the music just did not match what was
going on in these scenes at well?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So there's like, let's be honest, there's maybe three good songs. Yeah,
you know it's it's the Parade album. A lot of
it didn't match, You're right, And I think that's where
Jason went with his his uh his recut, his remastering
of the of the soundtrack, where he was like, I
were to take this these two songs from this Prince
album and these two from this Prince album, We're gonna

(39:38):
move this scene to the Yeah, it's pretty cool even
when you know.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
You're right.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
When they were having at it on the island, the
music was going with that.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Was so well. Okay, So the song Kiss Kiss isn't
it's it's one of it's one of the best Prince
songs ever, Like it's it's it's iconic, yep. But him
mulling Kristen Scott Thomas on the beach with those close
ups of the hand holding. I don't know what's going
on there. I don't want to. I don't want to

(40:09):
get into his his his kissing style because me and
Jason talked at length about it, maybe a little too
awkwardly and uncomfortably. But but I will say this, it's
it's kind of like if you if you puckered your
lips and then just tried to smear them against someone's

(40:29):
face like a paintbrush. It's kind of what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, I guess see that. It's like it's just batching.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
It is terrible.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's like watching two catfish fight over a life savers, like, Yeah,
it just didn't seem to.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Be like well, and here's the other thing about the
the If you look at the blocking of the of
that shot, like it's it's a lot of extreme close
ups because Kristin Scott Thomas is not five 't two
and a half, he's significantly taller, and then when you
put his one hundred and thirty pounds and that twelve
year old boy's body on top of it, it just

(41:03):
looks kind of weird. So weird, Yeah, a little word.
I know we'd normally take a little little commercial break here,
but you know what, I think, We're just gonna power through,
all right, We'll power through this. Yeah, that's right, cabbage heads.

(41:27):
All right, little background. So following, like we talked about this,
uh follow the smashed success of Purple Rain, Warner Brothers
green lights this movie based solely on Prince's initial concepts
of this character, Christopher Tracy, running around Miami, you know,
seducing women, and obviously you know they couldn't get Miami,

(41:51):
so he settles for the French rivier, which I don't
I don't know why he why you would say a
little you know, niece France. You know, we'll we'll settle
for the riviera. Right, that's a bummer. Here's a here's
a good one, f for you. He approaches Martin Scorsese
to direct this movie.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Shockingly Martin said no, he passed, shockingly. What kind of
movie do we get though? What kind of movie do
we get though? If Martin Scorsese is directing Under the
Cherry Moon? Definitely, clearly it's a little it's clearly a
little more serious. Right, Clearly, who's Scott who's doing the
narration throughout the movie? Is it tricky? Is it Maitland,

(42:32):
not Maitland.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Little slip slip of the burke off or is it
Mary or is it a is it a collection? Like?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Is it like are we going doing like a casino
or Goodfellas where you're getting like multiple people giving you
a little I.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Could see multiple people, but we would also get more
of their backstory from Miami with scorts as he because
it would definitely go more of than Mafia route.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh yeah, we know we didn't know who uh who's
after him.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Maybe that's so maybe the pursuer is doing the narration.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
I can see that, and mister Sharon would have we
know more about mister Sharon too.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, sure, I say, I said. Marty definitely probably gives
him a little bit more of a criminal edge. He's
not he's at the hero of the movie that we
see him as. Maybe he's he's a flawed at best.
He's at best he's a flawed, a flawed hero.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Yeah ye, but yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
So Marty, he's busy by the way he's doing. He's
doing a little film called The Color of Money. So
even if he wanted to, he he's not doing this
little film.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
He chose wisely he did.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, we covered that one on our R eighty six series.
Great episode, a great great movie. Ultimately Mary Lambert, who
would go on to direct pet Cemetery one and two
Urban Legends, Bloody Mary. You know she she kind of
went the horror route. She was hired and Dave.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
She quit over our favorite phrase, our favorite phrase, give
it to me. Creative differences, creative differences. A lot of
people quit over creative differences.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Uh they do?

Speaker 6 (44:12):
You know?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Terrence Stamp was the original mister Sharon and he after
three weeks He's like, I'm out of here.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
He seld the light.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Scorsese, Mary Lambert, Terrence Stamp, Everyone's like, nah,
I'm out.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Madonna was supposed to be Mary Sharon, which would have
made this blockbuster.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
I know.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Again, Jason and I covered that, so I won't I
won't get into it, but we've seen her, but we
would We would have seen a lot of her. Yeah, yeah,
we definitely would have. She was busy though she was
also busy in eighty six. So she's doing Shanghai Surprise,
which Scott knows that movie all too well.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, what did.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
We covered that one?

Speaker 4 (44:58):
On?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
What Scott with that? A Patriot that was one of
the lost episodes, I think on our Patreon.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, I think, so it's definitely lost.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Go back, go back and listen to Scott fawn over
Madonna and Shanghai Surprise on our patret.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
That's a good episode, classic movie.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
All right, So, Dave, you mentioned one of the things
you like about the movie is that it's in black
and white.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I do.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Can we talk about the cinematography for a little bit,
the lack of well, okay, so to be fair, he
wants to shoot it black and white. Studio says no,
they shoot it in color, and then they turn it
black and white. Yeah, and you know that's always gonna
like you're lighting and everything's gonna look terrible. Yes, So

(45:43):
you're not happy with the cinematography.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Here, No, for one thing. I mean, even though it's
shut in black and white, it could have been done better.
It should have been shot actually in black and white,
because the blacks are not true blacks that you would
get if you shot this in complete black and white. So, yes,
that is a correct analogy you have get than about
shooting in color and sean black white. It doesn't work.
It does, but it doesn't look as good in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, you're shooting in one of the most beautiful places
on earth, why don't you want some vivid color. It's
a mistake.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
I think I could see that too. I think he
was just trying to go with something to really make
it stand out among other films in eighty six. I
really do, and I think that's why he went the
black and white route. Plus, come on Casablanca, those kind
of movies that were black and white back in the days,
and he's trying to give it that vibe. So I

(46:36):
see why he did it. But I also agree with
you as a two edgeword.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
All right, So Scott, do you agree this is this
is not This is not good cinematography.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I totally agree. Yeah. I think the other thing that
I think they would have they would have created more
confusion if this had been released in color, even though
it was shot that way. So I can see that.
I can see that argument for it. But I think
the whole kind of you know, what time period is this,

(47:08):
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know, But
if it would have been released in color, it would
have seemed more modern, just because of the way that
Christopher Tracy is dressing the way that Mary is dressing,
it would have seemed like this could be nineteen eighty six,
which I think would have taken away from that kind
of mistique they were going for it.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
So does the name Michael Ballhouse mean anything to you, guys? No,
it doesn't ring about Okay. So he is the director
of photography, So he shot this movie. Can I tell
you a few other movies that he shot?

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Please?

Speaker 3 (47:43):
So he is. This was a busy year for him
because as soon as he's knocking out this with Prince,
he's heading back to the States to shoot The Color
of Money for Martin Scorsese.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's shot extremely okay, all right, Oh oh,
I'm just I'm just getting started.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Nineteen eighty seven, he's the guy that gave us broadcast news.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Oh damn.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Nineteen eighty eight, he gets back with Marty for the
Last Temptation of Christ and Mike Nichols on Working Girl.
In nineteen ninety he shot Goodfellas with Scorsese.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh but wait, there's more. Oh, there's so much more though.
What about Bob in nineteen ninety one, Bram Stoker's Dracula
in nineteen ninety two, The Age of Innocence in nineteen
ninety three. Again, Scorsese like, this is this is scorsesees guy. Yeah,
Wolfgang Peterson calls him up for Air Force One in
nineteen ninety seven, Gangs of New York, Gangs of New

(48:45):
York in two thousand and two, and The Departed in
two thousand and six.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
So he's clearly a talented cinematographer.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yes, yes, he's a vision. He's this is this is
one of the giants as far as I'm concerned. Think
about the cinematography for Gangs in New York work or
Bram Stoker's dracket.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Is beautiful, beful.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah. And he also did Under the Cherry Moon.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
I mean, everybody's got to start somewhere.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Can you really put that on him? Well, you know,
he's he's now John. I'm just I'm playing his greatest
hits there, Scott. He's been working since like the sixties.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
It's just amazing.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Maybe he needed a paycheck.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
And this is a Michael Caine Jawles revenge situation by
a house.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Can we take a look, uh, can we take a
look at this very stylish poster for the film.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Sure, very stylist yes, very stylish.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
See it, hear it? Feel it lived, just like the trailer,
I mean, Scott this it's a gorgeous piece of work.
You gotta you gotta admit that, right.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yes, yes, I would lose the the lines at the top,
see it here, I feel it livet Yeah, I'd lose
that entirely. I think it works much better without that.
I think they could have found a better pose for Tricky.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yes, I agree with Okay, yeah, maybe maybe get him
off the phone.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yeah, yep, yeah, maybe a better shot of Chris Scott Thomas.
But it's a very stylish outfit.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
So it's it's a gorgeous poster. Yeah, can we can
we all agree that it's a it's a gorgeous poster.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
It is.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
My question is why is he sketched and they're not?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Well, that's a that's another good that's another good call.
I don't I don't know if that's like a maybe
that's a timing thing, like he didn't have enough time
to finish.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
It could be because maybe if they'd.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Done that, it should have Yeah, it should have been
it should have been all like an all or nothing.
But uh, guy behind this poster, man named John Cosh,
and he is an art director responsible for some of
history's greatest album covers, like the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame up in Cleveland, where our buddy Andrew Blakeley lives.

(51:07):
There's like a whole thing dedicated to just his album covers.
And when I say he's done some of the biggest
and the best, this is the guy, the guy that
the guy that created this poster is the guy that
created the album cover for the Beatles, Abbey Road, Oh
Damn Wow, the Eagles Hotel, California. He did like a
dozen things for Linda Ronsad. He did about a dozen

(51:30):
Jimmy Buffett singles. We love you know worst Cincinna guys,
so we know we love Buffett. Oh, Tom Petty and
the Heartbreakers. This guy has worked with some of the
biggest and the best in the music industry. And when
you think of some of the most amazing album covers
you've ever seen, chances are it's John Cosh. Rolling Stones.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
He did.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
He did two covers for the Rolling Stones as well.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Impressed.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
So when you think about, like, you know, I think
we're so quick to when we look at movie posters,
we were so quick to say Drew shure Zan, you know,
because we we love his work. But then when you
see something like this and it's so stylized and so cool,
look and you're like, I wonder what that guy's done.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Well there you have it, yep, Well, and it takes
you back to the time period it's supposed to that
it's trying to write. Does want the font a dead
giveaway with that kind of thing and the saw blade
edges going down the side. Maybe that's why they chose
to go with the illustrated prints in the center. Like
he's wearing his tucks. He's not going into like the

(52:27):
you know, the stylish kind of prince outfits that we're
seeing throughout this maybe, so, you know, I think that's
a good choice because it at least makes it keeps
it ambiguous, but it feels like it's leaning a little
bit more towards this is something that happened in the past.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
All right, let's talk. We've mentioned a couple scenes. I
might want to mention a few more, and maybe we
can we can talk about what the pivotal moment of
this movie is. I think we're all going to agree,
but I don't think we need to go back into
the bathtub, So let's move on from that one.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
He's no, how about how about.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
This Keystone Cops Groucho Marx thing happened and where Tricky
and and Christopher used the cartoony ladder to sneak in
and you know, he's up, he's he's doing like a
Romeo Juliette thing where he wants to go seduce Mary,
but he goes into the wrong bedroom. It's their moms,
and there's kind of like a mistake and sexual assault

(53:25):
that's about to happen.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, I think delivering a pizza.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well is it funny?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Like?

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Is it silly?

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Is it silly enough to be?

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
All right, that's that's kind of fun. The whole mistaken
identify This is like a Jack Tripper Three's company moment.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
I feel like, yeah, I mean he didn't go too far.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
No, No, she was.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
She was welcoming it, so it doesn't it So, yeah,
I don't take it went too far at all.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
No, it's not that went to I mean going too far?

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Is you know?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Lewis Skolnik in the Ruins of the Nerds, like wearing
the Darth Vader mask. Right, that's that's going too far.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Yeah, too far?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, Yeah, I get yeah, he does. It's it's it's silly,
it's a little funny. You know, Tricky's climbing up the
ladder and sneaking in and stay.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
You know, I'm surprised Tricky went up there and got him.
I'm surprised Tricky didn't just take the letter and take.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I honestly, I don't know
what motivates Tricky and less.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Money there is, what is it? Money that's the only
thing to motivate him, That's it, because clearly there was
something going between him and Mary, right, I mean if
there was, like you seem like I thought it was
going that way and then all of a sudden it
became Christopher and Mary Problis you get that jealousy, right.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, for like ten minutes, like she's dating both of them,
is what it seems like. Yeah, and I you know,
that's another weird angle to this whole movie.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
But I think would have been a little bit funnier
in that scene, as if Tricky climbs up the ladder,
pulls the ladder up, and then uses the ladder go
to Mary's room and say you deliver your pizza. I'm delivered.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Mind is is this ninja gaiden?

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Like he.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's right, Scott's dog got Tricky to a park coral
over this mansion Riviera. Yeah, I don't. I don't see
Tricky being able to pull that ladder up. No chance, man.
All right, So another scene and Scott kind of briefly
touched upon this. We get the really awkward love scene
on the beach, and then Prince does what any guy

(55:39):
would do. He goes and calls her dad and basically
taunts him mm hmm and tells him all these like
I'm gonna do this with your daughter and this with
your daughter, and you know, like what what the hell's
going on there?

Speaker 6 (55:52):
Like what what?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
What's the motivation there?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Like his first reaction was like, I'm gonna call your dad?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
What?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Who does that?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Who does that? And yeah, I don't know. It's just
it's a it's a creepy moment.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
It's yeah, it's it's the same person that keeps uh
this odd assortment of candles in some kind of watery
beach cave. Yes, like it's the Lost Boys or something like, and.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Then he leaves her. Didn't he take her to the
island and then leaves, Yeah, and then goes back to her.
Of course that leads up to the ending. I'm like,
what what the hell is going on?

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Do you guys want to talk briefly about how how
absurd the climactic moment is where he where he gets killed?

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Well, first off, what I want to know is how
the hell did Tricky get there so fast? Did he
gets warped?

Speaker 6 (56:50):
There?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Is that? What happened? Apparently? I think so?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah, Tricky drops off the candles, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Ah ah, Tricky's setting up his little his little sex scene.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
Is that? What is that?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (57:06):
But Christopher left first?

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah? Way, wait, wait wait wait, we're trying to make
sense of this movie's okay?

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah again, and you know the French police like, let's
not forget it's it's not is it Maitland's Maitland? I
did it again? Yeah, mister Sharon. Is is it Birkhoff's
thugs that that shooting him or is it the French
police because they're all chasing him? Yeah, for sure, because
no one's going to jail Scott, No one don't know

(57:37):
if you notice.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
That, Yeah, everything's okay, honky dory, we're good.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Well, the good guy, the good guy won. You know,
he protected his daughter from this predator. Yeah, who was
Stiller money?

Speaker 4 (57:51):
You're saying that the the French police were complicit and
they were like, yeah, we didn't like him that much
in a way, all right.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
I think so working they're working with mister Sharon. Come on,
clearly that's happening here.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I think that. I think that's going on. Yeah, maybe
that maybe that's where mister Sharon's a little shady. Maybe
he's he's got the police in his in his back pocket. Maybe.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
And can I bring up the one thing that I've
talked about numerous times of what I hate the god
dang most in films, freeze frame. When they did that
to Isaac Oh, I.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Was like, here, give me, give me the freeze frame.
Come on, Dave. Yeah, alright. Pivotal moment, though, pivotal moment
is the cocktail moment. Mister Sharon, trying to avoid further complications,
is going to buy him off.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Oh, one hundred thousand dollars check, one hundred.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Thousand dollars check. Just leave my daughter alone. Yeah, And
Prince who has now seen the light, he's found true love.
He rejects the one hundred thousand dollars check.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Right, F you on it?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I think, yeah, yeah, she's like the Chinese, who is
fuck you? Yeah? It's Chinese? Oh man, uh, Dave, what's
what's the pivotal moment?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Is it Tracy? Is it Christopher Tracy refusing the check?

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Oh yeah, of course, of course it is, because that's
turning his character h to become a good guy.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, yeah, good guy. Oh man, Scott, pivotal moment. Are
you with us on this?

Speaker 4 (59:26):
I'm with you on it? Yeah. I think something else
that I've noticed. It's just a little annoying when you
say like the you know, the f you he writes
and stuff like that. So I watch movies with subtitles
all the time, right, just because I've lived in a
loud house and whatever. Can't avoid it. There are so
many moments in this where he uses like if he's

(59:50):
saying the word two, he uses the number two. If
he's saying you, he used the letter you style. How
he you know, you know, how he kind of like
you said his style. At the time, it just got
a little obnoxious. It was just like, look, buddy, we
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Are you saying the subtitles do that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, the subtitles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Yeah, it uses the letter you subtitless tracing all over
your movie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Yeah, four to two and you all over the place,
which appears in the credits as well. And I'm just like,
that's just overdone. Like I said, it's just like taking
the whole bottle of stylish syrup and just pouring the
hell out of it on it. It's just like too much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Scott Hoffman, a Film Buys subtitle specialist, how did how
did the subtitles handle recosto? Did you get that one okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Or yes, as it appears with no numbers, but yeah,
everything else it was like fours and two's and use
up and non the sideways way too much. And the
one scene that was written that was supposed to be funny,
the Rocoesto uh scene, just did not land all. It
was one of those times and it's like this is

(01:01:07):
funny too, Prince and Jerome and that's about it, and everybody's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Like, yeah, we get it, but I'm embarrassed for for
him trying to make it funny.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeah, yeah, just trying way too hard.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
So this movie had a ten million dollar budget, right, Yeah,
So clearly they didn't use that amount of budget for
sound effects, because did you hear the terrible punching sounds
when Tricky punches the thugsy go Oh my god, it
was horrendous.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
You can well, it's Warner Brothers. So they probably just
be using like their Looney Tunes cartoon sound effects probably,
did you know?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
All right, uh you know if this was on an
anniversary uh, you know, right about now, David be going
all right, well, let's quote this, and we've we've had
a couple of quotes already, but I got I got
one for you guys. In a nineteen ninety Rolling Stone interview,
Prince said, I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon.

(01:02:12):
I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write.
Could you be a little more full of yourself, while
also throwing shade at writer Becky Johnston because yeah, that's
a shitty way to look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Man, it's just crappy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
That is like, yeah, he basically saying the movie sucks.
But it's not my fault, No, it is it is you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
I'm sorry, this is such a Prince movie, Like you
can't say that like it seems like he was forced.
Like no, there's a lot of prints in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
This one Scott sequel, prequel remake.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
He wants it a prequel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
You know this. You want the Miami movie, right, you
want the prequel in Miami that that that ends with
him heading to the Riviera. Is that what you're going for?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I think I would. I think I would. Yeah, I
definitely wouldn't remake it because how do you remake a
Prince movie without Prince?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I got that makes sense, I.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
Got late honest, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I want you to think about current artists, and I
want you to think about current artists who act and
actually don't do a bad job. Are you telling me
that we couldn't remake Under the Cherry Moon? Maybe a
little more serious with someone like the Weekend and his music?
And you give me, you give me like a Lily
Rose dep like that, like that, you know that HBO

(01:03:36):
Max show that they did together. Give me a Sydney
Sweeney as Mary Herron. I mean, as long as it
has a new script, it's it's it's definitely gonna have
a new script. Yeah, we're not doing like this isn't
a gust Van's Aunt shot for shots. It's a it's
a it's a better film with updated music. But well

(01:03:59):
we'll keep it black and white, but Dave will shoot
it black and white. Yes, did that work? But yep,
Dave you what throw your hat in the ring? Sequel
preg where you make anything come to mind?

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Nothing comes to mind. I wanted to put this film
out of my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I'd say that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
All right, Well here's here's my last question for you,
you guys in I'll take you back to what Jason
Colvin said when I asked him. Is Under the Cherry
Moon the worst film of nineteen eighty six because it
went head to head at the Razzies with Howard the

(01:04:37):
Duck and tied. And I'll remind you that at the Razzies,
Under the Cherry Moon wins five of the eight nominations.
It won Worst Picture, Worst Director, Worst Actor, Worst Supporting Actor,
Worst Original Song, which is kind of weird because it's

(01:04:59):
pretty how does Prince lose? Or how does Prince win?
Worst Song when he's Prince? But it was also nominated
for Worst Supporting Actress, Worst New Star, and Worst Screenplay
did not win those ones, So Scott, yes, Under the
Cherry Moon or Howard the Duck. What is the worst

(01:05:21):
movie of nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Under the Cherry Moon?

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
David, you're, without question Under the Cherry Moon.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Okay, so as it stands, that's one vote for how
Are the Duck? Jason spiked the football and said, how
Are the Duck was the worst one of eighty six,
and now that's three votes for Under the Cherry Moon.
I told you, guys, I was gonna give you an
opportunity to be heroes. We've arrived at that moment. Sweet

(01:05:55):
next year is, in fact the fortieth anniversary of Under
the Cherry Moon. What's say we do a special one
off a film at forty where you guys cover Under
the Cherry Moon doing doing your your like you're You're
a film at forty going behind the go behind the

(01:06:18):
lens and quote this and the you know the impact,
all all that cool stuff that you guys do. You
guys are doing you guys. First off, you guys are
doing an awesome job on Patreon right now, our Patreon.
You got the film at fifty your Jaws episode, Uh,
just phenomenal. I cannot thank you guys enough for that one.
We made that one a free one, just so Even

(01:06:39):
if you're not a Patreon subscriber, you can still get it.
All you gotta do is just sign up for a
free membership with your with your your email address. I
know we had like four or five people do that,
so I know I know they had to be happy
with the Jaws episode. But I say all that to
say this, how about how about next year fortieth anniversary,

(01:07:00):
you guys come back and we'll do a film at
forty under the Cherry Moon Return Because if you say no,
if you say no, then I'm just gonna make Amber
and Andrew take a turn.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Oh Scot, say no, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
I mean, we haven't done a fifteen minute episode yet, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I want I want the full I want the full
thing here. I want the full guy. Oh boy, you
gotta you gotta cheap out.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
They need their turn, Scott, Come on, they need their turn.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Scott. Listen, Scott. You're you are a You're one of
the guys on the bridge on Phaser sets the stun.
I think one of the most heroic things in Star
Trek is when Spock sacrificed himself for Kirk. You can
sacrifice yourself right now, Scott, you can save you know
the the needs of the many outweigh the needs of
the one. You could you could save your uh, your

(01:07:54):
your your your team members here they could. I mean,
you're gonna drag Dave down with you, but what do
you what are you gonna do? Scott?

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
You know, everybody has to form their own opinions about
this movie, so I'm gonna leave them in the diletheum chamber.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
And yeah, wow, there we go. Thank Scot. Oh there
you're supporting it. You're not even you're gonna okay, well maybe,
well okay not maybe definitely we've done Under the Cherry Moon.
Today was a fun conversation, uh with Return to Cherry
Moon based on how they're getting dragged into it, Scott

(01:08:36):
when they hear this episode, I'm pretty sure next year
we'll be doing Revenge of Cherry Moon.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
So that's totally and I totally expect that they're going
to you know, return the torture and set us up
for Control two or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
So all right, well listen, there's what do you think
of Prince and his directorial debut Under the Cherry Moon?
Have you seen it? Uh? Did we get this one wrong?
We didn't get this one wrong. We're two for we're
two for two. Uh. It is streaming for free, by
the way, on YouTube. Where'd you watch it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Scott YouTube? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
YouTube? No one paid for it? No, no, sorry? All right,
well listen. You can check it out on YouTube free
with ads.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Let us know what you think of it on You
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Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
We we talk about it every every week. Send us
an email let us know. Uh, you know, thank you
for covering the Cherry Moon again or what the why?
Why what are you doing? I'm not listening to that. Yeah,
send us an email. Let us know, because I promise
you we will definitely read it on on an upcoming
show and we'll send you some film by Swag. Guys.

(01:09:53):
We got some new stuff coming.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Look, I saw the I saw the I saw the
new shirts today and I'm smiling.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
So look forward to wearing them conventions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Absolutely absolutely. All right, Well, guys, I know you are
right back into the Phaser set, the stun weekly recap.
Stranger Stranger World is back. Yes, it is excited, yes, yeah, yeah,
and uh we got what are we halfway through? Uh?

(01:10:24):
The film at fifty you guys, got like, what five more?
Five more to go? Right, five to go? Yeah, I'm excited.
I'm loving what you guys are doing there. So I
want to thank you, thank you for humoring me and
not one, but several of our listeners who actually asked
for this uh revisit of Under the I always thought, like,

(01:10:49):
if we're going to do another one, like Dave, we
talked like when we get to the five hundredth episode,
we'll we'll do Legend again because that was the first
one we ever did, and maybe we will, but I
just I was just in we'd get to like we
do like Iron Eagle, like, you know, we get to
go to that one again. I never thought Under the
Chairman would be back on the menu.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
And uh and here we are, yep, here we are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Hey, Yeah, we got through it. You guys took your turn.
We'll just hope, uh for the best for Amber and
Andrew next year we will.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
It's right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
On that note. To all of you listening to the show,
following us on social media, subscribing to the Patreon, we
thank you, Thanks everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Thanks