Tom Holland - Thinner

We're kicking off scary movie month with a Stephen King adaptation that won't leave you hungry! Jeff and David discuss Tom Holland's 1996 underrated body horror film, Thinner!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
There have been more than sixty film and television adaptations
of Stephen King's work so far.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Damn, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
That's a lot. I mean when you think, like when
you when you're like, hey, yeah, I love Stephen King movies.
I've seen all of them. I don't think I have.
I don't think I don't think I have. And what's
more amazing is when you realize that there's at least
at least twenty that have yet to be adapted. M hm,

(00:33):
this man has given us so much. Yes, well, it's
October it is. Let's kick it off. Yeah, let's kick
it off the right way. Let's talk about a film
by Tom Holland, his nineteen ninety six underrated Stephen King
body horror adaptation Thin Air. Hello and welcome back. I'm

(01:23):
Jeff Johnson. I'm David Burns, and this is a film
by podcast David Burns, otherwise otherwise known as a white
Man from Town.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I am a white man.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Dave. I gotta say I know that we are audio.
We we rarely do video for our Patreon or for YouTube.
But you, my friend, have over the last month or so,
have gotten quite thinner. You what have you lost?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Thirty five pounds.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Thirty five pounds, yeah to.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Watch to Watching this movie really made me think, Wow,
that's scary.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Were you were you cursed by a gypsy? That's what
I'm saying, right you. Uh, you've been, you've been, You've
been eating clean and uh yep. I have to wonder like,
what if could I could I even tempt you with
like a homemade gypsy strawberry pie? Would you? Would you
go for something like that right about now?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Hell? No, never seeing this movie, I want nothing to.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Do with that. Oh man, No, man, you are you
are looking fit without a gypsy curse. So congratulations to you.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Let's talk about Tom Holland and uh yeah, listeners know,
not not our friendly neighborhood, not our friendly neighborhood spider
Man who's currently filming Spider Man brand New Day. No,
this is Tom Holland, the actor slash director. Uh famous
director for his his whole work, Dave. Let's talk how

(03:04):
about a couple of facts. Yeah, what's in trivia about
this Tom Holland? This one made me happy. He got
his start in the nineteen seventies directing toy commercials for
has Bro.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh man, that's like right up our alley.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right up our alley. You have to wonder, like, how
close were we to getting a Tom Holland directed G
I Joe toy commercial? Because those were Let's be honest,
was those were fun?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
They were Can we have a Tom Tom Holland figure
and for G I Joe? How often would that be?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm I'm ready for that. Let's let's definitely let do it.
Has Bro get on it now. Listen when you when
you talk about this Tom Holland, his name is synonymous
with the horror genre, right. Oh yeah, whether he's writing
or directing. This made me happy.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Though.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Did you know that he wrote the screenplay for nineteen
eighty four's Cloak and Dagger.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I didn't, we did, Okay, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, you know stuff. I didn't realize that. I didn't
realize that. I absolutely I love that film. I do too, Yeah,
Dadney Coleman, Henry Thom, that movie was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Here's something concerning for you, though. During production of Thinner,
he suffered from Bell's palsy. And this is listeners. If
you don't know Bell's palsy, this will this Basically, this
paralyzes one side of your face now, Dave. The effects
could have been minimized if he had just left the set,

(04:31):
went straight to the hospital and got a steroid shot immediately.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm assuming that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That didn't happen because producers insisted Slash threatened that he
stay on set and continue working. So his treatment was
delayed thirty six hours, and because of that, it took
him over a year to fully recover.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Wow, worse, Oh shad for this that I think they
kind of should have stepped in and said, Hey, this
guy's got to go to the hospital. Man, what do
you doing it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
This is you gotta remember this is this is nineteen
ninety six. You're not getting away with this kind of
stuff nowadays.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
But no way, I.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Will say this though, by all accounts he's he's doing
just fine. I know we like to offer a quote
from the director at this point, but I'm not going
to do that. I would rather hear about your interaction
because you met Tom Holland and did last year we
were at Scarefest, which might be the greatest horror show

(05:32):
on Earth. Oh wait, you know when it comes to conventions,
love Love the Love scare Fest, me too. I can't
wait to get there, not a couple of weeks. But
you met him, right, can you? Can you share that story?
I know, I know we typically do this for con
Men episodes, but come on, it's it's Tom Holland. It's
a Tom Holland episode. You gotta you gotta tell us.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
So it was one of those situations where he was
there and you know, I I, Jeff, it's been a
fortune and autograph that weekend. You know that I really
are with you. And I had already gotten an autograph
on my child's play poster and he was there and
I wasn't really going to do it, but I said,
you know what, the last second, like, I'm going to
go up meet Tom Holland and get his autograph on
my child's play poster. So I did. The guy was

(06:13):
so nice, very sincere, very welcoming to talk about, you know,
child's play a little bit. I don't remember exactly what
he said, but I do remember just how wonderful he
was with me and the guy that was in front
of me. The funny thing is is when he went
to sign he first off, he wanted to know what
color I wanted, and his handler said, let's go with

(06:36):
blood Red. I said, yes, let's do that. Blood Red
is perfect. And Tom went down to sign it and
he completely signed it and stopped for a minute. He goes, oh,
let me fix this. His a tea in his Tom
wasn't like, didn't look good, so he made sure he
went back over it to correct it.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Great guy though, yeah, he I mean every time we
walked by him, he was all smiles, really engaging with
with his fans. I remember that because we had just
been We've just been hanging out with Don Costcorelli talking phantasm,
and you were all excited about, you know, this Child's
play stuff. I was like, Tom Holland's right there, obviously
you have to talk to Tom Holland. You're like, I'm

(07:15):
doing Yeah, of course I'm going to talk about Tom Hank.
Tom Hank, great guy though, absolutely great. I hope I
hope we see him in another another con in the
near future. I'd love to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I love talking him about Cloak Dagger. Now now that
I know that, absolutely everyone'll be like Chucky and Child's
Play with him, and I'll be like, hey, can you
let's talk Cloak and Dagger. So Dave, like we said,
over sixty Stephen King film television miniseries, adaptations exist. It's
a good chance maybe some listeners have not seen Thinner,

(07:48):
or maybe they saw it in ninety six. It's almost
thirty years old. Now maybe they saw it. They're not,
They're they're late. They they were fresher. Can you tell
us briefly what Thinner is all about?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
There is no such thing as a gyp He's curse,
or is there. An overweight lawyer by the name of
Billy Halleck finds himself at the end of a curse
by a Gypsy man for hitting and killing his daughter
with a vehicle. He now finds himself getting thinner and thinner.
No matter what he does. It is a race against
the clock for him to find a way to change
the course of this curse before it is too late.

(08:20):
In a classic film based off the book of the
same name by the master himself, Stephen King, is.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It any surprise to you that Tom Holland is hired
based off the fact that Stephen King loves his work
Child's Play especially, I could see I could see Child's
Play being something like Stephen King would have written. You know,
I was like hearing him like when you've when you've

(08:49):
got one master of horror, like, what what does Stephen King?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Like?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
What's what scares him? You know?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
So I I think that's fantastic when you hear like,
oh you what the guy that did Child's But yeah,
get that guy?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And how would that make you feel as the director too?
To be chosen by Stephen King?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Gosh, I have to I have to feel any any writer,
any director who's gonna adapt his work if you get
if you get his seal of approval, you've got to
be on cloud nine. Absolutely, unless he hates your work
and you're Stanley Kubrick and you just don't give a
shit because you're Stanley Kubrick, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Although Stephen King has to kind of change his tune
a little bit about that, but still regardless.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, yeah, but there's I mean, there's been so many great,
great films that don't well, I definitely want to talk
about this very eclectic cast. But before we do that,
let's take a quick break. Welcome back. We are talking
about Stephen King's Thinner, directed by Tom Holland Robert John

(10:00):
Burke in the lead role as Billy Hallick. I gotta
tell you his voice is so familiar to me, and
I could not figure out where I knew it from
because I don't recognize him. What's your what's your relationship
with this guy?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Where are you know him from?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Thinner? Well, when I think of him, this is this
is the movie I immediately go to.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
To be honest with you, sounds like our research on
Robert John Burke is thin.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It is Thinner.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're right, Uh, let's let's talk about this role. Though
he he's not the first choice. Now, I don't know
if you know this. Dave Stephen King wanted none other
than John Candy to play the role. Interesting, Yeah, now
keep in mind this is a year before John Candy
passes away.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Which, by the way, have you seen the trailer? Not
to get off topic, but have you seen the trailer for.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I, like me, cannot tears are gonna be flowing? You
know it?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
We should cover that. I think it comes out what
January on Prime something like that. I could be wrong,
but yeah, here's my question. I get that you want
John Candy to to for this role, but given the
given what the film's about, Like, how do you expect
John Candy to play Billy Halleck? When he's one hundred

(11:20):
and twenty pounds. This is nineteen ninety six, so we don't.
I mean, I get like, today they can do anything
with the CGI, it's it's unlimited. But in nineteen ninety six,
we didn't have I mean, it was good, it wasn't
it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Nowhere is that good?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So I'm kind of wondering, like what were they thinking,
Like were they going to have like another actor playing
and like Candy just do the voiceover or.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I don't know, it's interesting that that would be the choice.
I mean, I love John Candy, don't get me wrong, absolutely,
but in the role of I mean, he could pull
it off at the beginning, but you're right when he
gets down to one hundred and twenty pounds, which is
even thinner than me, it's just crazy. But I don't
know how they could pull it off without John Candy

(12:02):
actually losing weight. But that's a lot of weight to lose.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Listen, this is a it's a bit of a troubled production.
It goes through several years. I think I think it
took eight years for Holland to get this one completed.
So I could understand if we were good, maybe if
we're gonna do like a castaway thing like with Tom Hanks,
where you film Candy and then you take a break,
let him lose some weight, and then you film Candy.

(12:29):
And I don't know that that's the case. That's I
don't know that that was their their plan or their thought,
but damn I wish they would have done something like that,
or they could have they could have gotten to commit
because you never know, that might have that might have
helped prolong his life, that might have helped save his life.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, absolutely could have made a difference in his life
for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well Candy, Candy turns down this role. They go to
Michael Douglas. Yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah, like
a heavy set Michael Douglas at the beginning of this movie.
I I could have had fun with that. Especially this
is ninety six, so he's right at the peak of
playing the sexy guy, the sex civil You know, he's

(13:09):
a couple of years past basic Againstigue. I think, is
this the same year he does an American President or a
year before. I know Amber Lewis and I covered the
American President. Yeah, he's this is like his Silver Fox era.
He could have done it. That would have been He
would have been cool, but he turns it down to

(13:30):
Who didn't turn it down was Robert John Burke, who
had to lose some weight. He willingly lost twenty pounds
to play the role, which means David, he was not
as committed as you since you've lost thirty five out there.
He Yeah, he got himself down at one hundred and
sixty pounds though.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
So I do want to say the makeup for that,
the special effects they did for him was incredible, Okay,
I mean he never looked fair when he they had
the heavy outfit on him at all, and you see him,
you know not I don't want to see all of
them in the shower for carrying out loud, but you
see some of his body and it never looked fake
at all.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, it's this is incredible makeup because, uh, you know,
just do a little bit of homework on the movie.
They actually used like a full body suit with with
silicone uh pieces for like the chest area, so that
he had that that flabby, that jiggly movement. It's amazing,

(14:32):
you know, I think it's amazing by today's standards. Honestly.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh yeah, even when he got down to so thin,
I mean that looked incredible too. I mean it was
like yuck and I mean to go from one end
to the other end, one end of the spectrum to
the other end of the spectrum, that was just incredible
work for the special effects team. In the makeup.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, he's he's at when when we see him at
his thinnest, he's in real life he's weighing one hundred
and sixty pounds, but he looks so gaunt and yeah, sunken.
And some of it's just easy tricks, like putting larger
clothes on him and then of course, you know, sensing
the belt too tight, and but just the makeup on
his face, he looks so emaciated. Yeah, I mean he's

(15:10):
he's like Christian Bale and the Machinist, Yeah, except that
he's not so Yeah, four to six hours every day
in that makeup chair to pull that.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Off, me go to do that. Yeah, that's a lot
of time. It is.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Uh, Joe man Tanna as Richie the Hammer Janelli is
what's what's up with Joe? Did didn't he play on
the Simpsons? He wasn't he like fat Tony or something?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
He was like it's funny as soon as I hear
his voice, I'm like, oh, Simpsons, It's like, I rate
that every single time.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's so tough. It's so tough to hear anything. Listen, Uh,
I gotta, I gotta shout out our our nineteen eight
are limited nineteen eighty six series, as you Were called,
Dave you and I you were. You were the first
person to do an ninety six episode with me. We
did the money Pit. So I always think of fat Tony,
but I also think of art shirt. I'm the carpenter.

(16:10):
I'm just thought she was good looking wool. I'm talking
about a Shelley Long hitting on her.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, this guy, I love him. Every time he turns up.
He's he's got like a reputation for playing a mob
boss or a mob you know he was an artist, Yeah,
for obvious reasons. But I dig the fact that he
he gets this, he gets the role. He goes straight
to the novel, doesn't read it. I mean he reads it,
but he studies it. He studies the source novel so

(16:39):
that he can understand the Hammer's motivations. Because, let's be honest,
the richie, the Hammer kind of like a guy you'd
want to hang out with.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Him.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know, he's he's having fun at the club. He's
he's the ladies guy, but he also has your back, Like,
is there if you got to have a mob guy
in your back pocket, you want the Hammer?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I would think absolutely, yeah, without question. When he came,
when he showed up and he came basically to the
rescue to defend Billy, I'm like, this is the guy
that you want to watch your back without question.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah. Everyone's like I can't believe he took the case
of that that that mob guy, you know, because he
gets him off, Like what is he He's like in
the in the trial, he's like there's like death threats
and but he, you know, Billy is able to to
win the case. And then yeah, the Hammer's like, hey,
I owe your your firm like shitload of money, but

(17:33):
I owe you my life, So you need me. I'm there.
And it's cool because I I think I think Richie
might be one of my favorite characters in the movie
just because he's the boss. He could have sent any
one of his soldiers to go save Billy or help Billy,
but he's personally invested in taking care of this guy.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I dig that the best was him showing up
as the FBI agent. Oh, it's so good, so good,
and it gets him that he gets her to go
with him and he shows I'm looking, this is the
guy and it's his picture.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, I am so scared for uh carry whirr in
that moment because you don't know what the Hammer is
gonna do. He's not called the Hammer because he's a
nice guy.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Right, he's not a carpenter.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, he's not not in this movie.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
It was this movie.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
He's looking at Cary Woarre. I just thought she was
good looking. Wool You know, I'll tell you who's not
good looking in this film. Michael Constantine is playing the limky,
the old the old man who the gypsy that has
the curse? Why Dave? Why? Why is it that for
twenty or twenty five years, I've always assumed that Paul

(18:43):
Sorvino played this part. I had, I had that, I
had believed that. I was like because I was I
used to. I was thinking, like, why Servina doing such
a small role.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And a creepy one.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, let's be honest, like you can see where I
would make that mistake. He I do real Paul Servina
look happy?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah, and he wasn't that old when he took
on this role too. No, which is really strange.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
You made makeup? Yeah? Yeah, Constantine. Uh, I mean I
know where I know Paul Servino from. You got any
background on Constantine? Have you seen him anything that other
than Dinner that you like? No, he's a character actor.
I know that. I know. I've seen him in other things.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, I think I've got it, you do.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I've always I only seen it once. Uh my, big, my,
big fat Greek wedding. He was the dad. Did you
ever see those movies?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I've never seen those movies, so I can't say.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I know I know him for something else. I
think it might be like in his younger days. I
think he was in The Hustler or maybe Cool Hand Luke.
I know it was a Paul Newman movie. I just
don't know which one.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So con Luke sounds right, But I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Could could he have been one of the He's He
was either in the pool hall in The Hustler or
he was in the bunk house in Cool Handler. Yeah,
all right, more on that later. This is not the
this is not the Michael Constantine episode.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Can we talk about Limky's great granddaughter, the lovely Carrie
Warr playing Gina Romani.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Beautiful Gina. Absolutely we can.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
She is a wild thing in this movie and a
little scary.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
She a little scary, Jeff, how about very scary?

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, very scary? Well, I would say she is as
scary as she is sexy.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I just I like her, But I like her a
lot less when she's got a slingshot with ball bearings
in her hands.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, no, thank you. I like the playful part that
she did with the quarter. You know, I loved all
of that. But let's leave the slingshot somewhere else, Okay,
I want nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I have to imagine in the mid to late nineties
a lot of VHS tapes having some tracking issues around
that moment, as thirteen year olds everywhere are renting Thinner.
I had the biggest crush on her back then. You know,
you remember her. She was on a remote control that
MTV game show YEP with Adam Sandler before he was
Adam Sandler.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, I remember being in with it Ana Conda and
like a freaks. I believe I remember correctly.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Higher Learning. She played Swanson's friend. Well, she was her
friend until you know she you know, Christy Swanson went
and you know, went a different path and you know,
met other people and all that kind of stuff. You know,
she was like a sorority sister who didn't really care
about stuff. Yeah, she is awesome in this I don't
care what anyone says, like, very believable in the role too.

(21:48):
I have to I have to say, yeah, I gotta now,
have you read Thinner? Did you read the novel? The novella? Not? No,
So I will say this for anyone that's wanting to
read the novel. Uh, you know, the Hammer comes after
and I know we'll, I know, we'll talk about that

(22:08):
scene here when we talk about some noteworthy scenes. But
all I'll say is this, the hammer gets gets a little,
a little come up and from Gina. They just never
filmed it. So I'll tell you. I'll tell you have
to break, you know, next break and you don't want
to spoil it. Good, She's awesome, got a got a

(22:28):
fun cameo in this one. You Yeah, nine times out
of ten, if you're doing a Stephen King adaptation, chances
are you're gonna get Stephen King to do a cameo.
Of course you you want to talk about this one.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
It's uh where he plays the pharmacist in this which
is absolutely hysterical. One thing that I want to point
out that I kind of giggled. I didn't catch this
when I watched it years ago. But when he's in
the court taking uh you know, being a witness for
the accident that happened. Yeah, I was laughing because I
was thinking, hey, look it's Stephen King on the stand.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well then did you catch his name? The pharmacists name?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
What was his name?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's playing doctor Banger and let's not forget that he's
from bangor yes, yeah, yeah, I love see he I like.
I love the fact that he goes out of his
way to play like the goofiest, nerdiest guy. Most like
that Trucker and creep Show too. What happened the guy
got creamed, That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
He is. It reminds me of Alfred Hitchcock. Alfred Hitchcock
always put himself in his films no matter what, and
I love when Stephen King does it because you're right,
he plays the quirkiest stuff and it's just hysterical.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Director cameos are always fun because I think on one side,
you've got the hitchcock in the John Carpenter style cameos
where they are just in the background or they're walking
by and it's a blit you have to find them right.
And then you've got the cameos like like Shyamalan or QT. Tarantino,

(24:07):
where they're like they're most minor characters, they're giving themselves dialogue.
And then right there in the middle, like Stephen King
is the is the the line where he's in it
very minimally, but also he's going to have a goofy
few lines. So I always look forward to Stephen King
and his stuff. You know, we were talking about the

(24:29):
makeup effects for Robert John Burke and the well, let's
be honest, like the old man Limkey with the not
only is he like one hundred and forty or something
and just you know he's got that rotting thing on
his face that he goes to see the pharmacists for.

(24:50):
All this is thanks to the talented work of one
Greg Cannem Dave. You and I are horror aficionados, we are,
and I am I'm a little embarrassed not to know
his name right off the top, you know when when mentioned.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, because I don't recognize the name, and I'm probably
gonna be embarrassed too.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Oh you will be, so I will say this. Let
me let me begin by saying sadly, he passed away
earlier this year May third, twenty five, seventy three years old.
But I am happy to say that. He was honored
with the Academy Award for Technical Achievement in two thousand
and five. He also won the Academy Award for Best

(25:37):
Makeup for Bram Stokers Dracula in nineteen Old Game and
Missus Doubtfire in nineteen ninety four. Wow, now hold on
to your hold onto your hat here, Dave. He was
also nominated for the Best Makeup Oscar for Hook Hafa Roommates,

(25:58):
Titanic by Centennial Man, A Beautiful Mind, The Curious Case
of Benjamin Button, and Vice. Wow.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's an impressive catalog of films.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yes, now, and just because this guy is so incredible.
Stuff he wasn't nominated for, but is going to blow
your mind when I tell you, this is the guy
that was working on these movies or was behind the
you know the effects, He was driving this stuff The Howling,
Michael Jackson's thriller Dreamscape, Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories, Nightmare on

(26:35):
Um Street Three, Dream Warriors, The Lost Boys, Dick Tracy,
The Mask, Batman Returns Blade, and Dave Star Trek six,
The Undiscovered Country. Why because it all comes back to Treck.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
It all comes back to Trek. That's right.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'll move on, but just know this. I only gave
you a handful of his incredible work. I'm leaving out
about another twenty or thirty that are just like what
he did.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
That Wow. Yeah, I'm embarrassed not to know that name,
but I'll know it now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You have to little background about this movie. So it's
initially set up at Warner Brothers in nineteen eighty eight. However,
in nineteen eighty six, which Dave, I think we know
is the best cinematic year of the eighties.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That year.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, in nineka six, after finishing Maximum Overdrive, which is
another Stephen King adaptation, Uber producer Dino di Laurentez wanted
to make Thinner on the condition that he make it
with Sam Raimi. Oh that would have been great, honest,
that's what it host. Yeah, And when you think of
Sam Raimi and Horror and Gypsy Curses. We did eventually

(28:00):
get that movie. We got Dragged Me to Help. Yeah, yeah,
which is awesome. We should cover that next year, maybe
that Uh. Unfortunately, Raymie was a little busy working on
Evil Dead two, Dead by Dawn, So Dila Rene says,
that's fine, I'll just I'll produce that one instead. He
basically just wants to give money to Sam Raymid Whether
it's Thinner or Evil Dead two, He's He's happy either way. Now,

(28:23):
I told you earlier that we this movie went through
some serious delays. A lot of that's because of now.
A lot of that is because of studio interference, big shock,
of course, shocker, budget concerns, creative differences. We love that term,

(28:44):
don't we Yes, concerns about the makeup effects. Back then,
they were wondering like, can you can this look real?
Can you realistically pull it off and make this guy
look like he's you know, three seventy five down to
one twenty? You know? Is it going to work?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
It worked?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, it did. Here's something that really blew my mind.
I saw this. I got several sources pointing this out.
They put it on hold. A couple of times because
the studio was afraid that the main character's rapid weight
loss would be compared to the ongoing AIDS epidemic.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mm. At the time, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I guess it makes sense, but I mean it's still
it's a little bit of a stretch. I would think. Yeah, Now,
here's the good thing about some of these delays. Once
the production went into turnaround and it's it's changing hands
from Warner Brothers to Paramount mm hmm. This gay producer
Richard Rubinstein, Tom Holland and Stephen King, who at this

(29:39):
point are getting along famously. They run off and make
the Langeleiers mini series, which I never saw that. Did
you ever see that one?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, it's been a while. It was, okay, I remember
being very impressed by it. Though.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Is that the one about the aliens? Or am I
thinking about the Tommy Knockers.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Or Tommy Knockers or things? I think? Isn't that the
one with the cat?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah? The jet? Yeah? Okay, so yeah, we got to
put that on the list of the other with the
other sixty that we.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I think isn't Bronton Pinchow and the lang Leaders too.
I think I think he is. Yeah, I love Bronson,
Sis yeah, or Balkis from Perfect Shrinkers.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh that's right, Balkie Bartacamas Yep. Much to Hollin's dislike,
the film's ending, which at the time was faithful to
uh Stephen King's book, was changed because test audiences weren't happy.
I don't know, how do you feel about Can we
just quick, quickly? Can we just talk about test audiences? Like?

(30:39):
And I ask you because look, we're both writers. You
are a very incredible director, so we know what goes
into We know what kind of work gives into a
film project. We know kind of passion goes into it.
You filmed something, Dave, and then the studio comes back
and says, yeah, we tested it in several markets and
everyone hates this scene or they hate this ending, so
we're going to change it. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
It bugs the hell out of me, because I'm sorry,
this should be the director's vision. It really should. And
if you're going back and changing the ending because an
audience doesn't like it or a test audience doesn't like it,
you're you're basically telling the director, well, your vision isn't
good enough, so we're going to we care more about
the money, which we all know that's what it boils
down to in the end anyway, So we're going to

(31:23):
change it. You got to change it. And to me,
that really bothers me. And that's why I like the
independent word a whole lot better than the big studios
like A twenty four. They're fantastic with allowing the dropt
to what they want to do.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I love A twenty four. Yep, before we talk about scenes,
I got one more. I'll call this a fun fact
Joe Mantanna. Yeah, if you don't have time to sit
down and read, or you just prefer the uh, the
convenience of audiobooks. The audiobook for Thinner is narrated by

(31:55):
Joe Mantanna.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's awesome. I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, down with three or something. Yeah, it's it's well,
it's it's considered a novella, so it's it's definitely short.
But I would imagine you could listen to it probably
like in a day.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, but I like that though. You're right, let's let's
sit down and listen to Tony tell us the story.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, absolutely love it, Dave. Let's talk about a couple
of scenes here. Is there either we talked about. I
don't know how how detail we should get about the
quarter scene with Karrie Warr, but.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, one of the things I love about this movie
is I like when you get some character depth, because
I mean, let's let's be honest. I mean, we've had
some movies where the characters feel very card bootish and
you don't care about them. What I like about this
one is the relationship between the daughter and the father,
and I like the little playfulness they have at the beginning.
Remember when he's getting ready to go to court, yep,

(32:52):
and you get them they're both talking about mobster, talking
like mobsters.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, like that was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I really loved that scene because it really help develop
what's going to happen towards the end of the film.
And you know, Billy obviously has a thing about his
wife because you know what's going on with her and
the doctor, and you know, he's very becomes very venomous
about that and wants to get revenge on that. But

(33:18):
I love the fact that the daughter never gets in
the way that he cares about that doubt he loves
her very very much. So I like that character development there.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think at its core, This is a movie about family.
It is because on one side you've got Billy and
you know, he does a terrible thing. It's an accident.
He doesn't mean to hit the gypsy lady, but he
does go along.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
With the cover up he does, unfortunately, and.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
There's a lot of family dynamic playing on his side.
You know, his wife is concerned about his health and
his weight. He has that playful banter with the daughter,
which I love that, you know, where it's like, you know,
you know she's definitely she's a daddy's girl, right, oh yeah.
But on the opposite side where you have the Ramani's,
you know that come to town, very very tight knit family,

(34:09):
very protective of one another, very loving towards one another.
So what it comes down to is it's a it's
a fight between families. And it's hard to see who
is who is the villain in this film throughout most
of it.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
If you ask me, it does it gets it gets
tangled up. You don't know who to care for in
this film, because I mean, they're both being bad, they're
both being good, and you see why they're doing what
they're doing. But in the end you're like, I don't
know how to feel about this, So I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, I love the fact that the Gypsies are they're
a little supernatural. Obviously, we you know, we're talking about
a curse. You know, the Old Man puts a curse
on several people in this movie. But I also like
that there's there's other things and again getting you know,
bringing this back to the quarter scene. You know, Billy

(34:59):
is in and on the top floor of this office
building with his boss. You know, he's just won the case.
They're looking out the window because the Gypsy's have kind
of set up like a fun little festival, and they're
looking at at Cary War and you know, his boss
is like, you check her out. You know, he makes
some very lude comments about offering her a quarter, and

(35:20):
Billy is like, and she kind of like they're looking
down at Cary's character kind of looks up with a
with a with a she gives them a look, let's
be host.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And this is a long distance. There's no way she
can hear ye, no ways.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
No way she can hear them. They're they're like several
floors up there in the office building. She's across the street,
and uh, you know, Billy's like careful. I think she
might have heard you, like, just playfully. But then he
goes outside and you know, she smiles and he smiles back,
and then she pulls that quarter out. Yeah, and then
you're like, and don't get me wrong, what she does
is very uh hello, but it's also a little scary.

(35:56):
It's a little creepy because clearly she did in fact here.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, all right, there's some magic going on there for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, a little little little supernatural magic there.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yep. So I know there's a lot of things that
that we would love to talk about, but we can't
be here forever. But what about the scene when Richie
takes her hostage and that where was a barn or
a barn?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
But yeah, but can we talk about how he does it?
How he how he pulls it off? Because like he
Mobster walks. You know, Mobster shows up to the gypsy camp.
She's not just gonna go with.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Him, right, you know, shows up as an FBI agent.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
He's under cover, Yeah, as an FBI agent. This guy's
he's insane, man.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
He is. Because he tells her that he they have
who's responsible, and uh, he needs her to come to
identify the the individual. So that's obviously how he tricks
her to go uh. And then it leads into the barn.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well again it's it's blurred lines because there's an attack,
you know. Uh, Billy goes to see him saying, you know,
he's he's basically saying, you need to take the curse
off me or bad thing. You know, bad things are
going to happen, and they're like white man from down
you know. And yeah, he pleads for him, but they're
mocking him.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
And then Richie the Hammer shows up opens fire on
these people, but he tricks them into thinking, you know,
because he's got her husband like, he's got him tied up,
and then he sends him out into the field. Richie
doesn't kill.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Him, No, they kill you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
So again it's the lines between who's responsible for what
are very blurred in this movie, you know. But again
the Gypsies obviously they say it like, you know, Richie
killed her husband and he must must pay for it.
But him showing up as the FBI agent is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I agree, Yeah, loved it.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, And again, how how is she not you know,
he he has a badge, he has credentials. Why wouldn't
she get in the car with him.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Right, and then he then he goes and then he
goes to the little level of showing the photo of
him of himself.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, we've identified the man who killed your husband. And
and he holds up a photo of himself and she's,
you know she But here's what I love about her.
She's a hell cat. You know, she's Oh, she goes
straight on the attack. It gets physical. I'm happy to
see that she holds her own, you know. She she
leaves some marks.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
On the guy.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
But how scary is it when he's got that acid
that that that glass jar of acid and he just
carefully balances it on her head and tells her not
to move.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well, first he threw it on her, but it wasn't
the real way.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, yeah, he throws it. He's like, I got acid
and he throws it and it's just water. But then
he pulls out the other one. He goes, this one's
the real one. And then you're like yeah, and then
he hits her like her her sweater and it you know,
but that's just a that's a terrifying moment for her,
for for you watching it. I was just sitting there like, oh,
don't move, don't like, how are you gonna get away?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Right? I don't know. I would say, like how we
talk about Ritchie and how you know he takes care
of those who take care of him. Remember when he
when he hired the individual to watch for him, the
young guy in the car. Yeah, uh huh, you know,
and even though he really he didn't know him, he
hired him to him, Hey, call me, uh what make
the move? And then the guy calls him and says

(39:14):
that I think they're onto me, and of course they
killed him. They take the car in front of him.
Yeah they are. But I mean you can see how
that just sends Richie over the edge even more than
he already is well because personal for him exactly, because
now someone him.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. You know, we we
could keep talking scenes, but we talked. We just we
just rehashed the entire movie. This is a very lean,
mean eighty.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Nine minutes it is.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I mean, there's no fin thin movie, no fat.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
There's no fat on this one at all. They did
a really good job about that. They kept the pacing
going extremely well.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I think so, I think so, h you know, I'm
having a lot of fun with it. I'll tell you
that right now.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So, what do you think is the moment in this film?
If the pivotal moment for me, pivot old moment, what
do you think is is it for you? I'm curious
up here.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'm gonna say, and we kind of touched upon it.
But for me, I kind of feel like it's it
might be when he goes from pleading please I apologize,
take the curse off, to turning that that that evil
he makes that evil turn when he becomes white man
from town and and then tells him that all of

(40:28):
them are in trouble. Now, I don't know, I think that,
you know, because you gotta wonder what happens if the
gypsy the old man just says that's all he wanted
was the apology, the admission. Yeah, and he takes it off.
You know everyone at this point, everybody lives, everybody is happy.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, did they judge that yet right now that
he's in his dream remember and had his dream yeah
getting killed?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, he got killed in the was it like the
oncoming the head on collision or whatever?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, well okay, so not everyone's haply the chief of
police and the judge, who are complicit. You know, yeah,
but they were, they were. They deserve punishment, Let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
So can I give a Hoffmann answer? Go ahead, But
they kind of go hand in hand, okay. So one
of the pivot on ones that I feel is when
he goes to visit Hoply okay, and you know, Hopley's like,
you got to go get get this curse off of them.
Take the gun. Take the gun. Oh you leging at him,
and he doesn't want to take the gun because he said, look,
I'm gonna go talk to them, see if I can

(41:31):
get this curse off of us. And Hopley's like, you'd
think he's gonna sit there and listen to you. You
think he's just going to randomly just take it off.
Don't be stupid, take this gun. And he doesn't, and
he chases ability out of the house and basically, you know,
just go do your thing whatever. So when he does
go and does what he said, he do, you know
what the scene that you're talking about when he goes
to plead and obviously he wants nothing to do with it,

(41:55):
and by then, you know, he gets the hand shot
with the bearing from the ball bearing like right through
the hand and then at that point he turned. So
I think those two things kind of go hand in
hand for the pivotal moment because one of them drives
him to the other point. So okay, that's fair, but
I agree with you on that. The major pivotal point

(42:17):
is when he's like, you know, what the hell with you,
I'm going to be the white man from town and
I'm going to put that curse on you, And they're
all laughing at him, like, yeah, you can't put a joke.
You can't put no curse on us. You're just a
white man from town. And then he calls his buddy
Richie and makes that happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I meane one family uses the supernatural to get justice
and one family uses the hammer.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what, Dave. It is time
for a break. Unless you're listening on Patreon, because if
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(43:07):
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(43:27):
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these this season. We started doing more episodes where we're

(43:48):
now doing longer episodes, but it's only longer. It's the
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(44:10):
You can get you can you know, you can listen
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download a bunch of them, Listen to a bunch of them.
And then get out. You know, no gypsy curses. Yeah,
we promise you know, a.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Young listener's gonna have no idea about that comment you made.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
The Columbia House. Yeah, and listen, anyone ever, probably thirty
five or forty they know what.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Them, they don't what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But for those of you that are not on Patreon,
we'll be right back after these messages. Welcome back. Apologies
for what was maybe thirty sixty seconds for you, It
has been what about good twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
For us twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, listeners, I gotta tell you, you got to get
over to Patreon. We just had an incredible conversation about
our top ten Fai Stephen King adaptations, and uh, you
need to check it out. But yeah, while we're at it,
Dave getting back, getting back on track. If someone was

(45:13):
unfamiliar with director Tom Holland, let's talk about what three
films we would suggest they watch. I have a strong
suspicion that we're going to go three for three here,
and I'm so I'm so certain of it. I say
we go in chronological order. So can we start with
his feature film debut, nineteen eighty Five's Fright Night.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Of course be because that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
You're so cool.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
You're so cool. Brace and the awesome Chris Randon Christian
What a again?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
This guy has played some of the most villainous people
on film, and yet he's the nicest guy when you
talk to him personally. It's the nicest guy on We
did I I talked to him for like what Fifth
Team twenty minutes about organic farming, gardening.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You're like, what do you you know? I find like
where you've been? Yeah, you guys were like I remember
you guys were like watching me and You're like, what
are you doing? Like, is he gonna do the show?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Is like?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
What you talking movies? He's like, no, We've been talking
about organic farm h gardening, talking about the garden. I
gotta raise garden bed. I'm starting and said some great
tips and you're like, what, well what no, No, Saranda,
He's following him on Facebook and uh, and I don't
know what all I followhim on Facebook, so I don't
know what all the social media channels that he has,
but uh, he's got some some really good tips if

(46:36):
you're if you're trying to get a green thumb trying
to eat healthy. He's got some some amazing stuff to
tell you. But fright night, such an incredible The Vampire
movie celebrating forty years old.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Hard to believe, Hard to believe. Let's not forget about
mister McDowell in that movie.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Oh he's so good, Peter Vicky is.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
So good in that movie. Yeah, love of my one
of my favorite performances of his, by the way, it
really is. Oh it's gotta be done a lot. He's
done a lot, but it's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
All right, all right, so we both recommend that one. Absolutely,
we do number number two. Now I'm starting to think
maybe we're gonna diverge here and when I tell you
my pick, you're gonna be like, oh, why did I
pick that? So can we just can we just skip
number two for a second and go to number three? Okay,
because we both know we're gonna talk about nineteen eighty
eighth Child's play.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Of course we are.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
You have to let's talk, you, Dave. I'll take you're
my buddy. Uh of course, what is it? A friend
to the end or whatever? And to the end, Yeah,
you're my friend of the end. I'm you talk about
Child's Play.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So, of course another performance of Chris Frandon by the way,
who plays the police officer, the detective, and this, but
of course Braddorf, who gives his voice as Chucky the
Uh puts his spirit into the doll of Chucky and
goes a little crazy. Kid gets him for his birthday
and thinks he's got one of the best birthday presents

(48:01):
ever until it comes to life and tries to kill
freaking everybody.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Dave, correct me if I'm wrong, But having haven't you
met basically the entire cast of Child's Play at this.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Point, I haven't met the mom.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Oh, okay, she's the only one.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
She's the only one left. I've met everybody else, including Bradworns.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, because you met Braddorf a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Right. So I love these funny stories of meeting people
because they give you such a better look at the
movies than an appreciation of them. So with this, I
hope you don't mind going on a tangent here a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
No, no, please do.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
So Wayne and I were at Dragon Con years ago
and Brad Dwarf was there and we got into this
elevator to go up, you know, to our room. We
did not know Brad Dwarf was in the elevator with
us because there was a it was a clouded packed
and we were going up and there's some people in
the back that were talking. You didn't know who they
were until Jeff until I heard the most ear shattering,

(49:00):
reepy laugh of all times. And immediately I'm like, oh
my god, that's chucky.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Wait was he doing it on perp like it? Was
he doing the Chucky laugh? Or was he just laughing
and that's his laugh?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
He was laughing and that was his laugh. Oh my
Like literally I had goosebumps running up and down my spine, like,
oh my god, Chuck, he's in this elevator with us.
So I turned around to look into the back and
saw Braddorf at that point, but oh my god, that
was creepy.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Oh man, And I know you mest some of the cast.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Last year at Scarefest, I did Alex Vincent, who is
the kid.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
He plays the young kid.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
He plays the young young boy in it, So yeah, absolutely,
And of course Tom Holland obviously is the latest one.
So yeah, keep it on hoole till I can meet
the mom and get her autograph. I still need Chris
Rand's autographer, crying off to I hope we meet him again.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Well, listen, we'll we'll talk gardening with him, and he's
just there. We go, maybe he'll maybe he'll write down
some tips on your on your on the poster or
something like that. Like, yeah, I wanted to skip there
because I knew that we were gonna talk Child's Play
and I knew that Chris Saranon it's a good, good
way to connect fright night in Child's Play. So here's
why we might diverge. What would be your second choice?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
So I'm going with the TV series Tales from the Crypt. Interesting,
Why what is yours? Jeff?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I'm going with the TV series. Oh, because I know amazing,
amazing stories. Okay, So okay, so should this be like
reversed that's amazing, Like, well, it's it's amazing stories for me.
But I typically because you and Wayne love amazing stories,
like you know you guys, can we do quote every episode?

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I think?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
But and I'm the Tales from the Crypt guy. But
tell me tell me about the Tales from the Crypt
that he did.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So he's actually did three episodes he's done from season
one season two and season four. He did the episode
five and season one called Lover Come Hack to Me
that was done in nineteen eighty nine. He did season
two episode nine, four Sighted Triangle in nineteen ninety and
then in season four episode nine, he did King of

(51:11):
the Road in nineteen ninety two. I hope a lot
of people have done or watch Tales from the Crypt
because there's a lot of great episodes with the Cryp Creeper,
you know, telling the stories obviously, but it's interesting that
we both picked TV series.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah. So in nineteen eighty six he did amazing stories.
He did an episode I know you've seen it. It
was called Miscalculation. Spielberg co wrote this episode, by the way,
and it started very I'm gonna tell you the name,
I'm gonna give you the actor. And you're like, oh,
hold on, I remember, but a very young John Cryer

(51:47):
was in this episode. Okay, if you remember, he was
the nerdy college kid that you know. He had trouble
meeting girls. So he creates a potion and it makes
the magazine like the Hot Maga see pin up girls
like come to life.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I always remember this one because it's it's sort of
like weird science in a way, okay, except like he
can't get the potion in the formula. He can't get
it right, so like there's some some wacky stuff that
goes that that happens throughout the episode, like things things
go a little wrong, you know, gets a little little weird.
But I always remember like like, yeah, like that'd be
so cool if you could come up with a potion
like that. But then not the way he's doing it.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
We have you noticed this season we've tell from the
Crypt and amazing Stories keep popping up.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I have. I'm ready to buy both both of them.
I agree, man, I'd like to dig back in. And
there's some many episodes I don't remember. It'd be nice
to go through them again.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It'd be nice if we had time to do like
a Amazing Stories recap or tell some Krip recap or
boy Wayne will be all over that because he loved
Amazing Stories. Well maybe in like twenty twenty seven, twenty
twenty eight, like weird, we're a little we're a little booked.
Until then, it's just a little bit, just a little bit,
all right, h Dave, let's wrap up your recommendation. When

(53:05):
it comes to Thinnish, definitely check it out.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Just watch out for the gypsies. Don't don't piss them off.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I think this is a must for king completists. Uh
and it's a fun cautionary tale, it is, you know.
Just just tell the truth, be honest, own up to
your mistakes, you know, watch what you say, and do
be respectful to the gypsies. Dave, I know we watched
this on Amazon Prime, rented it. You can. You can

(53:35):
watch this for free on Pluto TV right now, okay
free with ads. You know, Pluto we don't talk about
We don't talk a lot about Pluto or enough about
Pluto because we're you know, we are we're to be
like to B doesn't to be should be a sponsor
at this point I should reach out to Yeah, they
get a lot of they get a lot of a

(53:57):
lot of promos from us, they get a lot they do. Yeah,
Pluto TV does not, and we should change that. We'll
watch more on Pluto TV. But yeah, definitely check this
one out. Listeners. For those of you that have seen it,
what did you think of Thinner? More importantly, do you
have a favorite Stephen King adaptation. You can let us
know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, x.

(54:21):
You can check out a film by Podcast dot com
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of them, Dave. There's a Patreon link there, but let's
not forget. There are plenty of free episodes on Patreon
and all you need to do to listen to them
is just sign up for the free membership. That's right,
there's a free membership. You won't get all of them,

(54:43):
but do you do, Dave? We try to do what
like one, sometimes two episodes a month on Patriot that
are free. Yeah, check it out. Check it out. You
can write to us at a film by Podcast at
gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We
might just read your response or your question, or your
gripe or your curse, whatever it is that you're throwing,

(55:05):
whatever it is, whatever it is, we might. We might,
we might read it on the show, and if we do,
we will absolutely send you some of a film by swag. Dave.
I want to thank you. I know how you are
so busy on the bridge of the enterprise. You got
you and and Wayne and Scott giving us the Phasers
set a stun Star Trek show that we do on Wednesdays.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
We love it. We love being on that bridge. You're
talking about Star Trek because, as we always say, everything
comes back to Star Trek. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, you guys are in the middle of your it's
what the Deep Space nine yeah series where you guys,
you guys are doing the starter treks where you're giving
us like the the top ten episodes of this season.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yep, because like we do it the next generation yep.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Hey, listen, I was not a T and G guy
before you guys started that, and then I love the
Next Generation because of your curated lists as as they were.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
So yeah, I might just become a Deep Space not
on guy.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You might. You probably will.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm not there yet, but you know you're slowly winning
me over, so uh but you get me back. This
is listen, this is your month. It's October. You love
horror films. You're gonna be back later this month? Are
you gonna You're gonna sit in with us, me and
Garrett at doing Hatchet?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Well, yeah, Adam freen film that one because that's the
Kane Hotger right.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah. Yeah, so of course I figured I figured you'd
be a little upset if we didn't invite it for that.
But what about uh, you got you got one that
you've been after me for several years now, demanding that
we covered you want you wanna tell the listeners what
we're gonna in the in the month with.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
So, I remember last year, I think it was in October.
Actually when I saw this, I caught this movie again
and I forgot how much I loved it. Of course,
I'm talking about the Blob. Yeah, So, and I'm not
talking the original Bob Blob. This is the one that
they remade with at eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I want to say, eighty eight, eighty eight, eighty eight
you want to give you yeah, Kevin Dillane, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
The Kevin dillon that. Yeah, So that's the one I'm
talking about. I really enjoyed that film a lot. It's
a lot of fun. It's creepy, the Blob itself. I mean,
there's some really good special effects in that movie. So,
and I reached out to you said, Jeff, we need
to talk about this movie and guess what we're going
to do it this October. We're talking the Blob.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
It's like a couple of years ago, like what about
the Blob, was like, I don't know. And then last
year like we're doing the Blob. It's like, we don't
with a schedule set, and then this year you're like
the Blob, Chuck Russell, the Blob, Kevin Dylan, Shawnie Smith
was like, we're doing it all right, the Blob oozing
its way to the show at the end of the month.
Speaking at the end of the month, you guys, at

(57:37):
the end of the month, last Saturday on Patreon because
it all comes back to track. But it also all
comes back to Patreon right now, a film at fifty
there's only one movie you guys should be doing in October,
and please tell me you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Of course, we're gonna do it, Jeff. We're gonna warp.
We're gonna do the time warp. Jeff.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Should we Should I step to the left and should
I said to the ride.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Either one is fine. So that's right, We're doing the
Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I'm so excited for that, so exclusively on Patreon.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Right, that's right, exclusively all you heard it.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
You heard it here first Boils and Gules. Uh, it's October.
We're leaning heavily into the scary stuff, and we've got
some really fun episodes and uh, Dave, happily we'll be
back for a couple more so. Absolutely to all of
you listening to the show, following us on social media,
subscribing to the Patreon, we thank you. He was also

(58:42):
nominated for Best Pick. He was also nominated for Best Makeup.
Just almost take that from the top. First off, we
First off, we'll take a fucking drink. Mm hmmm, I
got a gypsy curse on me. Hell like you touched

(59:04):
my face, was like recipy. Sorry. You gotta get together,
all right. Appreciative of you guys. Uh, you make it
possible for this is killing me. Man, I'm I'm just
like raspy. I gotta wrap it up. You'd be happy

(59:25):
with I'll tell you is that one was? Ah fucking
it up, Dave. Yeah, we've choking to death.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
You gotta be covering now, damn it.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Sorry. Sorry m