Ep. 29 - Fresh Sundays: Ian Prior Talks About Pushing Back Against The Progressive Agenda In Schools

In this episode, Jeff Charles chopped it up with Ian Prior about current issues going on in the school system. They discussed a lawsuit that America First Legal has filed against a school district that instructed teachers not to tell parents about their child's gender identity and how the organization is fighting back against the overall effort to trans children.

Episode Transcript

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Now this is the FCB Podcast Network. This is a fresh perspective with Jeff

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Charles. Without further ado, I'mgoing to bring on my guest advisor for
a Citizens for Sanity, mister IanPryor also with America First Legal. So
we're gonna get into some of thesethings. Welcome to the program, brother,
Hey Jeff, how's it coming?So? What is it? Can
I just ask what a conservatarian is? Conservatorian? Okay, that's a That's

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an easy shorthand way to say that. I'm a conservative slash libertarian. I've
got a lot of libertarian tendencies andI've got a lot of conservative tendencies,
but I don't fall neatly into eithercamp completely, although I will say for
me personally, it seems like asthe days go by, I get a
little bit more libertarian every day.It's an interesting mix, and it's a

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good term. I like it.Yeah, I mean it's not as popular
yet, but there are a lotof people who are starting to identify that
way just because it's easier. Butin one way, it's not as easy
because a lot of people don't knowwhat that means. But I'm hoping it
catches on more so I don't haveto keep saying, yeah, I'm a
conservative, sash libertarian, I've gotlibertarian, you know, give the whole
explanation. But I think actually alot of people on the right are Conservatarians

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nowadays, even though they don't identifythat way. I think that libertarianism has
been adopted more by a lot ofRepublicans in many different ways. So I
think it's very interesting to see thatshift. Yeah, No, I totally
agree. And I think you're evenstarting to see it sort of on the
left of center as well, wherewhere people are trending more libertarian that you
know, maybe they're sort of classicalliberals, but they see a lot of

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what's going on today, and youknow, they become more liberty minded.
Yeah. I mean, more peoplerealize that it's just better if they're left
alone. They're trying to adopt moreof those principles. And I do say
I mean, I think it wasDave Smith who says he's a big libertarian
type, and he I think hesaid it very nicely, like libertarians are
what the left and the right shouldbe if they actually held to their values,

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Like libertarians are anti war. Democratspretend they're anti war. But it
comes down to it, they're downwith it. But even when it comes
to the state asm aspect, I'mon the right. You do have a
state distreat that when it comes concernslaw enforcement. Whereas you know, if
we're believing what we say, webelieve we want limited government and we want
all government to be held accountable whenthey do something wrong. So yeah,

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absolutely, Yeah, So before weget into everything else, why don't you
tell Citizens for Sanity what is it? This sounds like a new organization.
Yeah, that's right. You know, we've been around for a little bit
about a month, and we're anadvocacy organization. And you know, look,
the best way I can say itis that, you know, so

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much of what we see in Americahas just you know, is the result
of insanity. Right, whether we'retalking about you know, not prosecuting violent
criminals, whether we're talking about openborders that are straining our our social safety
nets, are our schools, ourhospitals, and we're talking about things like
you know, critical race theory andseeing you know, race in everything and

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just really critiquing things but actually notcoming up to any kind of solutions.
And then finally, I think thatthese the transgender issue, which you know,
particularly in the schools, has justbecome so widespread. Um. And
you know, parents are certain torealize over the past two years, you
know, this is this is crazywhat we are doing in schools and how

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we're really trying to you know,indoctrinate our children in these these concepts that
you know, for a variety ofreasons. I mean you'll see you'll see
parents that that have objections on faithbased reasons, and you'll see parents that
have objections based on you know,the scientific method biology and chromosomes. Uh,
and they're looking at this and it'sit's just it's insane. And so

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our mission is to really highlight whatis going on, not not with you
know, traditional liberals, but reallythat far radical left that is has kind
of taken over these narratives. Andyou know, if you do not you
know, um, if you'd notadhere to their values, if you do
not accept their values as absolute truth, then you are a bigot. You

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are a horrible person, and youare not entitled to any opinion that may
be different from them. You know, I actually saw something on Twitter yesterday.
You may have seen it too.It was a it was a ninety
eight percent of men refused to datetransgender women. This is bigotry and has
to change. Like, no,it's not bigotry, and also it's not

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going to change. So if that'swhere you're going next with this, good
luck. Yeah, you know,I did see that, you know,
I to be fair, I'm havinga lot of people say that that it
wasn't real, but I responded toit on Twitter, and I'm leaving it
up because that may not that specificinstance may not be real. But I've
seen this said before. I couldgo to Google right now and find people

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saying that you're a bigot if youwon't date a transgender individual. And this
is regardless of sexuality, whether you'rea gay or straight. If you are
not willing to date a transgender individual, you are a biggot. I've been
seeing this over the past couple ofyears, So it is so even if
that specific instance maybe with a satire, I don't know, but it is
a reality they are trying to pushthat. Well. You know, it's

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funny because a lot of what we'redoing is that kind of satire. Right.
We have billboards up in major citiesall over the country, you know,
protect pregnant men from climate discrimination,violently criminals deserve our compassion or respect.
Vote progressive. You know, allkinds of billboards that are resulting in
people on Twitter. You know,some people will say like fantastic, you're

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you're using the far left's words andthoughts against them, and other people are
like these these far left lunatics withthe billboard. So it's kind of interesting.
I saw a billboard on Twitter inPortland and it said Portland, check
your white privilege. And for asecond I thought someone steal our idea or
is this an actual billboard? Andit was an actual billboard. Somebody actually

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put that up, you know,Equity Organization put that billboard up, which
I just thought was funny because herewe are putting up billboards that say those
kind of things really to highlight justhow ludicrous, you know, the woke
left has become and where they're goingto be going with their messaging over the
you know, next year or twothree years. Yeah, you know,
it is sad because, like iff, I see a billboard like that in

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Portland. It's hard to discern satirefrom reality nowadays, Like I do a
lot of satirical tweets and it ishard. It is so hard in twenty
twenty two to write a satire tweetand have most people know that it's satire
because you because the very nature ofsatires that it exaggerates to such a ridiculous
degree that you know it's not true, but that person is making a point

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in humor. And it's been difficult, you know. I've had some ones
where I tweet them and then mostpeople think it's actually really I'm like,
damn, like this is horrible,and I'm getting better at it, so
to where because you're never because there'salways going to be some people who think
it's real. I mean, thereare still some people who still think that
articles written by the Onion or theBabylon b or real. But it's just
it just speaks to how insane,Well that's insane our society has gotten.

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Yeah, you know, I meanwe're clearly through the looking glass where you
post something that is so absurd,half the people are going to recognize that
it's satire. Half the people aregoing to either be, oh, this
is great or this is insane,But you can't tell the difference. I
mean, that's where we are asa culture right now. And you know,
a lot of it's been perpetrated bysocial media and the ability of people

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to you know, communicate with everyoneacross the country and you know, no
limits on what people can say forthe most part, and it's it's really
just, um, it's become quiteludicrous. Yeah, you know, and
it's funny, you know, speakingof Portland. It wasn't last month,
but it was a month before Iposted a tweet saying breaking, some Portland
restaurant is promoting equity by having separatesections for black diners and white diners.

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And and it was so crazy.I mean, most people knew that that
wasn't really happening, but I hadsome people you could believe that somebody would
actually try that, because there areother entities that are trying to do stuff
like that, that schools to dothat with affinity groups, right exactly.
I was just going to bring thatup. We see that all the time.
If I saw that tweet, Iwould think it was a real thing,
to be honest with you, becauseI've seen these kind of things happen,

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you know, throughout different industries,whether it's the education organizations or whether
it's you know, other organizations.I've seen that kind of thing happen,
so I would not be you know, I would think that was legitimate.
Yeah, yeah, So I definitelywant to get to that part because especially
with the affinity groups, because Ithink that'll be a good conversation, especially
I just had a conversation about thisyesterday. But I want to talk about

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crime first. The Citizens for Sanityput out an ad that's been I think
it's gone viral. I mean,I've seen it everywhere, just highlighting how
crime has swept the nation and howit's been surging over the past few years.
What I mean, I know there'snot just one thing that contributed to
this, but what would you attributethis rise in crime to. Yeah,

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you know, I think that youknow, over the past I want to
say, half decade, maybe halfdecade, you've really seen this this pushback
on the criminal justice system and thefoundations of the criminal justice system, you
know, whether it was from formerPresident Obama, you know, leading obviously
into the George Floyd riots, whereyou know, they want to defund the

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police, the police or colonizers.Every time you have, you know,
an incident with a police officer thatyou know obviously goes viral. They want
to essentially stereotype every law enforcement officeras somehow this is you know, the
these people are terrible, which weall know in every industry no matter what

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it is. You know, youhear about, well, teachers are heroes.
Look, some teachers are really good, some teachers aren't good. You
know, some architects are really good, some aren't great. Same the police,
right, I mean, they goout there, they do their job,
they put their lives on the lineevery day. Not every single police
officer in the country is going tobe the you know, the best of
the best, by and large.I think it's important to respect obviously the

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laws are important to respect law enforcement, and we've seen a significant decrease in
that respect, you know, overthe past several years. And as a
result, I think, you know, you combine that with the progressive prosecutor
movement where you know, they're they'reletting criminals out awaiting trial, they're they're
giving easy plea bargains, and ultimatelywe're putting people back in the streets.

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They should back on the streets,they should not be back one and then
they reoffend and all of that createsthem is decreased deterrence. Right, So
if you think about the criminal justicesystem and criminal law. You know,
I remember going back to you know, maybe my third or fourth day of
criminal law in law school, wherewe talked about criminal justice system. You

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have obviously the rebu retribution factor,the deterrence factor, and the rehabilitation factor.
Well, you know, these progressiveprosecutors are essentially saying, well,
we're just going to focus on therehabilitation factor. We're not going to worry
about these other two. And asa result, you lose the deterrence for
people that would go commit crimes ifthey know, listen, you know,

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worst case, I'm gonna get aslap on the wrist. Uh, you
know, I'm not going to spendmuch time in jail if at all,
and I'll get you know, I'llget set free. And so that creates
a system where people now where we'reviolent criminals and criminals, you know,
they basically have the run of showout there, and they don't fear being
put behind bars for committing crimes againstyou know, society. Yeah, I

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mean, if you know there's notgoing to be any consequences, and you're
a criminal minded type, why whywould into And this is all being done
under this misguided version of Bell reformthat we're seeing in New York City,
San Francisco, Los Angeles. Andto me, this is where I'm going
to pick on Republicans a little bitbecause the reason why they're able to push

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the stuff and when people over withit is because nobody's offering an alternative.
I mean, when it comes toBell reform, I think there is room
to reform that system. I thinkthere are a lot of ways where it's
not fair. There are conservatives herein Texas who have been passing measures to
help make that a little bit morefair. But the thing is, if
we're not offering a better alternative,then these woke progressive sorol So yeah,

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I'm gonna say Sorols funded, I'mnot an anti Semite. Yes, then
yeah, these people are are goingto hold supreme So we need to come
with something better so that people canstill be safe. But then we also
have a fair system. But evenso, you're already seeing push back against
this. I mean, Chez aBoudin in San Francisco got recalled. I
believe George Gascon on Los Angeles wouldhave gotten recalled if that movement hadn't botched

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that whole thing You can read allabout that on Red State. Jennifer Van
Law wrote a very exposing articles onthat. But nobody wants this, and
yet they're doing it anyway after seeingthe impact, because there's one thing to
come up with the idea. ButI mean, I guess that's not really
an excuse because Stevie Wonder could haveseen that this was going to go wrong

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in the first place. But evenso they did it. Now crime is
up, you would think that theywould back off on it because people are
getting killed. Why do you thinkthat they're still doubling down? Well,
like anything, I think that thefar left has really, you know,
taken hold of the rest of theleft right so that when people run for
office they need to cater to theirbase case. But I do think that

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we are going to start to see, you know, in localities where Democrats
are going to start putting up prosecutorsthat yes, they may be Democrat,
but they still believe in law andorder because quite these progressive policies, these
progressive prosecutors, and the resulting crimeultimately is hurting them. It is hurting
everybody on the left because they're seeingthis and they're saying, look, what

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is all this restorative justice, theseprogressive prosecutors, you put them in and
then look what happens. People aregetting back out on the street. They're
reoffending, sometimes in deadly ways.And then you see from the video.
I mean, these things are happeningall over the country, you know,
whenever this air is just last night, Look what happened in Memphis where you've
got somebody going on a shooting spreeand murdering somebody just days after somebody was

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kidnapped and murdered in Memphis. Imean, this is what is happening in
our cities. People are leaving thecities because of this. So if they
don't course correct and get actual prosecutors, whether it's Republican or Democrat, it
doesn't matter whether they get prosecutors thatactually follow the law and don't try and
make policy by not enforcing the lawon the books, because that's what this
is all about. We can't getpolicy pass through the legislature because the people

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don't want these policies. So insteadwe're going to essentially legislate through our lack
of prosecution, or are soft oncrime efforts and prosecution. So so,
do you think that there will beenough of a backlash to where Democrats are
forced to recalibrate. Because I wouldlike to believe that I hope that's the
case, but I know that alot of people aren't really involved in their

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local politics like that. Well,you know, I think I think there
will be and I think San Franciscois a good option. I mean,
it's San Francisco that is a goodexample. And they recalled this prosecutor.
You know there there are progressive prosecutorshere in northern Virginia. It's going to
be interesting with local elections next yearto see if any of them get primaried,
you know, by Democrats. Andso I think we're going to start

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to see over the next few yearswhether this movement starts to essentially wither on
the vine. Because you know,the other individuals on the left that are
would want to run for prosecutors thatactually believe in enforcing the law. I
think they're going to start pushing back, and you know, we'll see.
I think we'll see over the nexttwo years where this ends up. You

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know. And one thing that Ithought was promising was Mayor Eric Adams winning
the primary, and he ran ona law and order campaign, he's been
a little bit of a disappointment sincehe got an office, but he's done
some good. But at the sametime, even if you were to lock
up these criminals, Alvin Bragg isjust going to let them go, So,
I mean, it's going to makehis job harder. So it really

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is the job of the voters.But when it comes to issues in the
justice system, I mean, wesaw people talking a lot about that after
George Floyd and what I don't necessarilyagree with their takes on it, but
it's a government agency, so it'sgoing to have some issues. Law enforcement
is an apparatus of the government,and right now it seems like the only

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people who are trying to reform thatare the progressive types who basically want to
do it in a way that's goingto make us all less safe. What
do you think people on the right, as conservatives should be offering up as
a competing idea ideal on how toreform issues and our justice system, whether
it's at the local, state,and federal level. Well, that's a
good question. And you know,one of the one of the things that

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I heard debated a lot during theGeorge Floyd riots was, you know,
body cameras for police officers. Iam fine with body cameras. I think
it's actually very important because you know, having worked for I worked for the
City of Boston. I was alawyer for the City of Boston represented police
officers, and I can tell you, I mean all the internal affairs complaints
that would come in that that maynot be valid. Taking it from the

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police officers side, you know,having that evidence so that you can see,
all right, this actually went downproperly, right, so you can
see how things, how things weredone, and then the officer or the
complaint it will actually have evidence onwhat happened. So you know, it
creates obviously an incentive to make sureeverything is done by the book, but
it also is an assurance that ifsomebody does get hit with an internal affairs

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complaint and it's it's frivolous, thatthere's going to be proved to show like,
look, this is this was avalid arrest, This was conducted properly,
and there's no there there and youknow, as far as you know,
kind of going back to that experience, you know, one of the
things I saw was that when whenpolice officers have to worry about getting sued
by it for every stop that theymake, for everything that they do,

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and then they start to fear that. You know, Comy called it the
Ferguson effect, but I certainly sawsomething very similar when I was working in
Boston where you know, police officers, they some not all of them,
but some of them would just getso fed up they'd just sit in their
car and they wouldn't they wouldn't takecalls because they're like, you know what,
it's not worth it. It's notworth there get an IA complaint and
that who does that does not makeanybody safe. And that is only growing

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now because every time they go out, it's you're going to have, um,
you know, people that are goingto be disrespectful, people are gonna
you know, not worse, peopleare gonna fight back potential lawsuits because potential
violent activities, because there is,quite frankly right now as you're seeing it,
no respect for the criminal justice system, no respect for the police.

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And unfortunately, the citizens in thesecities are the ones paying the price.
Yes, yeah, And it's alwaysthe citizens who are paying the price.
And it's interesting because I do thinkthat a lot of this is the Ferguson
effect. I wrote about that earliertoo. I think, first off,
you had record numbers of police officersresigning, and then the ones who stayed
on, Yeah, they're going tobe more afraid to do certain things.

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And the thing is, I'm actuallyI would actually support measures that would limit
interactions between police and civilians, butnot like that, Not like that.
I'm talking about like traffic stops,Like if somebody has expired tags, do
you really need to pull them over? No, you can take a picture,
document it, send them the citation, the mail, and they can
deal with it in court. Thatwould help to keep civilians safe and help

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to keep officers safe, because thereare officers who get killed during traffic stops.
So but these are things that aren'treally being discussed because progressives, in
my opinion, the high profile progressives, don't really want to solve the problem,
so because they they can continue torun on it. But I but
hopefully, I'm hoping that conservatives areable to come with some actual solutions,

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because that's really the only way thisis going to get a dealt with.
I mean, what's your what's yourtake on that? Well, you know,
as far as the registration stickers,I hope I get pulled over for
expired registration stickers all the time.I'm always forgetting to do that. But
yeah, I mean, I look, I think that there there are certainly
some things where um, that's agood example, right where you get a
speeding ticket and it's you know,it's a pain, right you get you

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get it in the mail and you'relike, you were speeding and you try
and do the math and you're like, there's no way I was speeding.
You appeal it, you got topay it. But we do put a
lot of strain on our men andwomen in law enforcement, and we do
have to protect them. But Ithink that, you know, the culture
really has to start changing as well. And that's kind of what we are
we are really trying to push throughCitizens for Sanity is is this culture of

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disrespect um not just of law enforcementcertainly that, but of pay and safety
in the communities. And until westart on that, it's going to be
very difficult to make any kind ofincremental changes as we move forward, because
you know, quite frankly, wehave to fix the problems that we have

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now. When we saw on thethe AD it's two hundred and seven percent
increase murder rate in Portland over thepast two years, murder rate is at
it's all time where it's hot,twenty five year high. I mean,
we really gut the crime problem undercontrol. You know, the sixties,
seventies into the late eighties, youknow, crime was through the roof,
and then in the nineties it startsgoing down and it progressively gets down to

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where it was right around twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and now we're seeing
it go back up. So youknow, it's really important that we,
you know, for everybody's sake,that we go back and look at where
things have gone wrong to bring itback to this spike. These days,
it seems like everybody's talking, butno one is actually listening to the things

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iHeart, or wherever you get yourpodcasts. Yeah, I mean,
I know here in Austin last yearthey had I believe we had eighty nine
homicides and that was a record.It hadn't been that high since like eighty
seven, and it's gotten pretty bad. But I do agree with you.
I mean, I think there isa culture shift that needs to happen.
And unfortunately, what happens is whenyou do have a bad police officer,

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you've got people who will use thosepeople to make it sound like all police
are bad. So I mean thatthere does need to be a culture shift
there too. But the thing is, how do you bring about that culture
shift? I mean, I knowthat's what you guys are doing, but
how do you think that we canchange people's minds on that? Well,
you know, I think it's importantthat people understand what is going on,

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right, what is going on inthese cities, what the impact that it
has on these communities. Right.I mean, you have high crime,
people's stores get shoplifted, it's notsafe to open businesses, you know,
those kind of things to press areasand and create impossibilities for people to go
out and live the American dream iftheir seat streets aren't safe. I mean
in order to thrive as a country, in order for small businesses and communities

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to be able to thrive, youneed to have safe streets and so you
know whatever. You know, there'slots of different projects that have been initiated
over the years, you know,from the Justice Department giving local grants for
certain programs, see something, saysomething, you know, all those different
kind of things where you're really kindof marketing towards people to to help not

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just the police officers, but thecommunity, to help keep the communities safe.
Get them buy in that, Hey, this is a this is a
team effort. We all need tomake sure that this community is safe and
really work within that community to makesure that you know, individuals aren't going
out there and committing these violent crimes, which you know obviously is devastating to
everybody. Yeah, yeah, Iagree. I do think that the community

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does need to be more involved andeven have a better relationship with their local
police department as well, because Ithink that would cut down on a lot
of the issues that we have.So Ian I want to pivot to the
War on Children America first, LegalI believe put out an ad about that
as well, and you know,we've been seeing these issues with the left

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trying to basically trans our kids.And this isn't just happening in schools,
although that is mainly where it's happening. And I don't know if you saw
this story, but in Wisconsin,can't remember the city, but in Wisconsin
they had a pride parade and badadults there, but they also had kids
too, and they had a boothwhere they were giving out free letters of

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readiness for children who wanted to medicallytransition or surgically transition. And what these
letters do just for the audience,they make it easier to have insurance cover
these types of treatments. And alsoyou give them the doctors so that they
so that they believe that you've seena therapist who has said, okay,
you can go ahead and transition.It just makes this just helps to streamline

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the process. So but again,it is happening in schools and everywhere else.
So what is it that you're seeingwith this, with this whole thing,
because it's been blowing up, blowingup over the past couple of years.
But but what what are you saying? Yeah, and you brought up
America first legal Actually what we didwe fillowed a lawsuit yesterday in Eau Claire,
Wisconsin because of the Eau Claire Areaschool district and what we're seeing really

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across the spectrum, parents don't havea right to know if their child goes
to school and says, you know, i'm a boy, i want to
be a girl now, I'm agirl. I want to be a boy
now, So they do not includethe parents unless the student gives their consent.
So really what they're saying is,as a parent, you to accept
this right, you need to denyyour beliefs, whether they be based on

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faith or whether they be based onscience, you need to deny those.
Number two, if your child saysthat they are now in different sets,
you need to affirm that. Soyou don't get to say, well,
look, let me deal with this. Let us deal with this as a
family. You know, we're goingto figure this out. Will you know,
whether it's a you know, throughthrough different means, we can work

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our way through this. No,no, no. If you don't affirm
it, then that's abuse and beginning. So if you don't affirm it,
we are not going to accommodate youby letting you be part of the process
with your kid. In our schoolthat you pay for, right, That's
that is what is happening. That'swhat is happening in Eau Claire, That's
what's happening in Loudon County, Virginia, Fairfax County, Virginia, schools all

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over the country, and it isabsolutely like what dystopian world do we live
in where that is acceptable? Butthis is happening everywhere, right. I
mean, as you as you talkedabout with these pride parades, pride events,
I mean the fact that they arepushing this on kids where kids are
going to go into a process wherethey're taking drugs to stop puberty, to

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stop science, and then they're goingto take cross sex hormones which are not
approved for this, and then they'regoing to have surgery. I mean,
there was a there was a postonline last week on social media of a
mother, her daughter, and herson and the daughter had her shirt open

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and had just had her breasts takenoff, and the son's just there like,
why am I here? You're puttingthat out? I mean, if
somebody came in and have to havetheir arm amputated, would they come out
and say, oh, look atlook at this great surgery? I just
have like that's I mean, you'remutilating your bodies and these children oftentimes as
they again, this is something we'reseeing more and more on in social media.

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They're coming out and saying, there'sno going back. I regret this
decision. It's irreversible. You aremessing with science, and when you do
that, you know science is goingto hit back as you get older.
And what these people, what thesethese school systems and the people that are
pushing this are doing to children isreprehensible. It's evil. I mean,

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if you're a ten year old childor fifteen years old, you you are
not able to make those decisions.And you know, and it's funny because
you're bringing up how they're saying,oh, parents, you know if you
if you don't affirm this, thenyour biggest But that's assuming that they even
let the parents know, because yeah, because with your lawsuit, they're making
an assumption. Now they're they're justgoing to trust the kid. And you

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know, we have a state senatorhere. We need to trust the child's
instincts. Trust the child's instincts.Child's instincts are developed through through through teaching.
Right, if you have a fouryear old and you don't teach that
kid over and over and over againnot to look both ways when they cross
the street. Their instinct is goingto be not to look both ways.

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Are you going to a firm netor are you going to shape them and
say here's why you need to lookboth ways. Right. The idea that
a five year old or an eightyear old, or a nine year old
or a ten year old has instinctsabout something that could impact them for the
rest of their lives is insane.It's crazy, you know. It's like,
you're not even allowed to get atattoo if you're under eighteen in most

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places unless your parents are proven.And I think in some cases not even
then. But you're gonna let themgo through mutilation or even if you don't
go that far, you're gonna letthem take these puberty blockers that do have
permanent impacts just because they say thatthis is what they want. And I
think in a lot of cases theyare being influenced. I mean, you
know, in Abigail Schreyer's books,she talks about a study in the UK
in twenty eighteen showing that there wasan over four thousand percent increase in girls

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wanting to be transit one to beboys. That is not organic. I'm
sorry, that is not organic.And actually, I'm going to read another
statistic to you in and I wantto get your reaction to this because I've
talked to some other guests about this. I'm just gonna this is from the
Florida Standard, came out a couplecouple weeks ago. It says, quote,
from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, Florida Medicaida saw only a sixty

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three percent increase in children receiving therapyfor the treatment of gender dysphoria. At
the same time, there was anan alarming increase in pharmaceutical and surgical treatments
for gender dysphoria, including a twohundred and seventy percent increase in children receiving
puberty blockers, a one hundred andsixty six percent increase in children receiving testosterone,

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and a one hundred and ten percentincrease in children receiving estrogen. Now,
mind you, these numbers are onlyfrom Florida Medicaid. Doesn't account for
children who are getting treatment outside ofthat. But just that alone, what
what what's going on here? Whatit tells me is that that people are
are skip they're self diagnosed thing andthey're going in and doctors and medical professionals

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aren't saying, well, look,do you have genders for you, which
is actually a thing, and usuallyyou know, sen to eighty percent of
cases phase out with time and theyskip that step and they say, well,
we need to affirm right away.So you come in and you say,
well, i'm a boy that Ifeel like a girl or vice versa.
Okay, let's get you puberty blockers. Let's get you set up,

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and we're off to the races.That's like if I go into you know,
an orthopedic surgeon and say, youknow, hey, I need a
knee replacement, They're like, um, okay, yeah, sure you can
have a knee replacement. Like nophysical therapy, uh, nothing to that
extent. Don't even do an MRIN. So now you know, the percentages
of MRIs and physical therapy remain largelythe same, but knee replacements are through

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the roof. Well that tells yousomething that people are going in and saying
this is what I want, andmedical professionals are saying, okay, we're
going to affirm that. That isso incredibly dangerous and you know, people
need to wake up and see what'sgoing on. And now when you put
that in schools, it adds aneven different layer because this is the government,
this is your local government, Thisis the federal government now with Title

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nine manipulation, trying to interpret Titlenine in a way that was never meant
to be interpreted. Now pushing thisstuff down to school so they can say,
well, if you don't do this, you're not going to get you're
not going to get that federal money. And it's cutting the parents out.
And as we talked about earlier,you know, sometimes the parents don't even
know they're operating under the assumption thattheir default position is well, some parents

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might be might not affirm this.In fact, probably most parents won't affirm
it. And therefore we need tomake this blanket policy that says you only
the child has the right to authorizethe school to contact the parents about this.
Otherwise you're outing the child. Imean, you need to have a
permission slip to give a kid tileon all in school, But you can

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allow the kid to go in thereand say I want to be referred to
as a different sex and come on, so and I want to get a
little bit more into your lawsuit.But I always ask this question when I'm
talking to somebody about this stuff,Why do you think they're pushing this stuff
so hard? Like? What?What? What is motivating this? I
wish I knew, and I thinkI wish a lot of people knew,

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because it is so far out therethat it's tough to understand what the rationale
is. I mean, it isso anti science, it is so anti
common sense. What is the possibleplan here? What is the endgame here?
Other than this is a social contagionthat you know, quite frankly,
was something that was considered a conditionbefore gender dysphoria and now is being considered

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a civil right. And the ballis just rolling down the hill, and
it somebody needs to stop it becauseif it doesn't, you know, I
fear for what's going to happen forthis generation of children, especially the ones
that are dealing with this. Imean, you now have in schools under
the que of the LGBTQ, whichmeans queer. So effectively a kid can

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say I identify as a cat ora wolf or a dog, and they
have to respect that and that thatthat's the furries right. They have furries
in schools. I mean, I'veheard from dozens of parents that this is
an issue that exists in schools.At what point do we do we draw
the line? How will we notdrawn the line already? And so,

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you know, that's one of thereasons why it's important for parents to exercise
you know, their rights in courtand exercise their children's rights, you know,
on their behalf in court, becauseyou know, if we don't stop
it this way, then you know, I don't know what what the next
ten twenty years is going to looklike. Yeah, it ain't gonna be
pretty. I mean so so,I mean, in speaking of satire,

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I mean I once did want toa tweet about a kid who identified as
Superman and jump out of a treeand broke his arm and the teacher let
him do it. Now, i'vethat wasn't real, But again, people,
so when I was five years old, it was like right around when
Superman two came out, and Iwas like, oh maybe, And I
had this superhero dictionary and it waslike super Boy. I'm like, oh

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maybe I could be super Boy.I tried to live in my parents car
and I got a hernia and Ihave to go and get operated on and
it's not like my parents. Thenwe're like, okay, well you can
keep doing that. They're like,what are you thinking? What were you
trying to do? Right? It'scrazy? And but you know, where
do you draw the line on whatchildren and their imaginations become reality. And

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we're not putting any sort of guardrailson that imagination and it's harming children.
Yeah, if you still believe inSanta Claus, you can't make decisions about
your gender or if this is justit's if it's been a few years ago
that you believe in Santa Claus,you still shouldn't be able to make decisions
about this stuff. But but Iwant to talk about your lawsuits. So
how how did this come about?Well, you know the really about I

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think in March or April UM somethings started to come out from the Eau
Claire Area School District about UM teachertrainings that that talked about, you know,
parents not having a right to knowabout their their child's gender identity at
school. There were plans that theschool would develop that would not include the
parent if a child chose to identifyas a different sex. There was a

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teacher in the EU Claire Area SchoolDistrict that that had a poster up that
that went viral and said, ifyour parents don't accept you or affirm you,
um, I'm your mom now.And so you had all of this
swirling, and I wrote an oped on Fox dot com I think in
April, and you know, wetalked to the parents out there, the
parents group that's it's a plaintiff,and you know, we we met with

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them, and it's just it's it'swidespread and certainly not just Eau Claire.
But you know, these these braveparents were willing to take on their school
system. And so America First Legalwith them, the assistance of sorry Wisconsin
Institute in Law and Liberty uh broughtthis law suit yesterday in federal court under
the Fourteenth Amendment. You know,the Fourteenth Amendment, one of the oldest

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liberty rights recognized by the Supreme Courtof the United States is the parents' right
to raise their child as they seeand quite frankly, when you have a
school system stepping in between the parentand the child on these kind of issues,
that is a violation of the parentsconstitutional rights. So okay, So
is this the first lawsuit that's beenfiled specifically against school districts for trying to

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conceal gender identity from parents, orare there more? I think there's a
couple of others. I know therewas one an Iowa filed a few months
ago. There might be two inFlorida. I think I believe there's one
in California. But I really thinkyou're going to start seeing these pop up
all over the place. I mean, when you talk about the issues that
relate to the school policies with transgenderstudents, you're talking about pronouns, right,

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and that ultimately becomes a First Amendmentissue. It also could be it's
free speech and religious conscience issue,and you see some lawsuits out there on
that. Then you have the bathroomlocker room issue. There's obviously there's been
a bunch of litigation there. There'sa case currently pending in the Eleventh Circuit
on bunk and if that goes acertain way, it could end up at

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the Supreme Court. You have thesports cases as well, And then this
is that that fourth iteration which Ithink we're starting to see now pop up
more frequently, because ultimately what hashappened is, you know, prior to
the past couple of years, theleft would bring these lawsuits against school systems
and say, you know, Johnnywants to use the girls room. Now

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you're not allowing him to do it, you're denying his rights. But you
didn't have the other side of thatwhere you have a student saying, well,
look, you know, I needto now either share biological mail or
I have to be the one thatgoes and uses the private bathroom. I'm
the one with the scarlet letter onme. I'm the one that's viewed as

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being the problem. And so nowyou're starting to see people bring those suits
and then the parental piece. Ithink that's that's somewhat of a new evolution
that you know, it doesn't reallyget debated in school board meetings because nobody's
crazy enough to actually put this upfor a debate in the community because they
know that it would be rejected.I mean, in Loudon County public schools,

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they passed a policy where you know, it is the bathroom policy,
locker room policy, sports policy,and pronoun policy. Okay, and then
two months later they slipped the regulationin there without public debate about parents not
needing to know, right, that'show they do it. And so now
parents are catching on and they're startingto bring these suits. This is Darvy

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O king Pinmarl co host of theOutlaws radio show, and if you haven't
heard our show before, check outthis clip JD Vance. One of the
things I think we have to doon the Republican side, because we've got
the white working class and I thinkwe've got them solid, is start to
attract you know, the black andI guess now the Latida work class into
our coalition because I think we dothat and we serve those voters well,

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I mean we could we could becomethe majority party in this country for a
generation if we actually see the opportunity. And you know what I tell a
lot of my friends, you know, we're a little older than I am.
I'm thirty seven years old, blottingto say, well, you know,
we really want to get back tothe country club set in the Republican
Party. And I say, look, at the end of the day,
like we're going to be a strongerparty if we accept that the country club

(40:25):
set maybe is never coming back,but we acquire some of those black and
Hispanic working class voters into our coalition, Like let the country club set go
you know, let them use theirpreferred pronouns and obsess about racial issues and
gender issues because they're all crazy.And I think that this is something that
actually unites a lot of working classwhite and black folks is we just want

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to live in a country where wedon't have to obsessively worry about everything that
we say. Subscribe to the OutlawedRadio show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
iHeart Rate, or wherever you getyour podcast. That's out Laws the Outlaws
Radio Show, NFCB Radio podcasts.Yeah, yeah, that's something similar is

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happening in Round Rock, which isa suburb of Austin. I mean,
it's it's happening. And then,and the reason I asked that question because,
I mean, there was a casein Kansas. They just got settled
a teacher who was disciplined form forrefusing to use the pronouns, but she
sued and she won. There wasa case up in Illinois where parents defending
education sued because they were using thoseracial affinity groups, and they won that

(41:37):
case. So I am increasingly believingthat lawfare is not just the not the
only way, but a very powerfulway to push back against this stuff.
Because the question has always been withthe sole thing first started. It's like,
yeah, we can complain about this, and we should and we should
expose it, but what the hellare we going to do about it?

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I see what you're doing and whatothers are doing as a huge part of
the solution. Do you think Imean, and you mentioned that there would
probably be more lawsuits, and Iagree with you. Do you think that
this is what's going to turn thewhat's the word I wanted is is this
going to be the tipping point orturn or turn the needle when it comes
to getting rid of this stuff inpublics in private schools. Yeah, I

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mean, I certainly think it hasto be part of the solution. And
I want to just back up fora second and then I'll get to that.
For the Kansas case, I thoughtit was interesting because in the decision,
and I know it's settled, inone of the motion decisions, it
talked about, how you know,not telling the parents or not giving access
to the parents of records relating toyour kid's identity is a verbal violation that

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violates federal law. We're also seeingacross schools now and over the past two
weeks. I can't tell you howmany phone calls I've gotten where teachers are
handing out written surveys pamphlets to studentsasking them for their pronouns. That's a
violation of the Protection of Pupil RightsAmendment. You're not allowed to do analysis
of valuation surveys that relate to thingsof sexual opinions or behaviors or family life.

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That they they're blatantly violating the PPR. In my opinion, as far
as litigation overall, I think itis definitely part of the process, and
it is an important part of theprocess. You know, one of the
things I learned out here in LoudonCounty was, you know, I always
used to say, activate, investigate, communicate, right, And so you
activate when you kind of wake upand see what's going on. I've got

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to We've got to do something aboutthis. Then you start investigating, right,
You're sending sending foys, you're talkingto people, You're figuring out exactly
what is going on, and thenyou have to start communicating it to the
rest of the community, to themedia to make sure that people understand what's
going on. And what happened inVirginia was all throughout that process. It
just kept repeating and repeating and repeating, and it ended up in a political

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victory at the statewide level for junkins, sears, and mirs. But ultimately
there's a fourth prong to that,which is litigate, because you know,
the government and the bureaucracy is goingto move slowly. That's just the nature
of things now. Of courts don'tmove exactly quickly either. But you can't
just rely on the political process atyour state capital or the federal government.
You know, the Constitution exists fora reason and it needs to be enforced,

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and especially when we're talking about childrenand parents writes visa VI their children.
I mean, I cannot think ofa more important right in the United
States than that. Yeah, youknow, and I agree that it's funny
that you laid it out that way, because that's the way I've been thinking
about it when it comes to thesethese prongs to attack this stuff, and
we all play our different part,Like I'm more on the exposing and investigating

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role, But then there's also thepolitical side of it, and you know,
when they pass these you know,I think Texas and Florida passed laws
against teaching a lot of this stuff, and I think they'll be effective to
a certain extent, but that butmy concern was that when those laws were
passed, that the base would say, Okay, it's taken care of NoHo.
It's not. They can get it. They can get around that stuff.
But then you also have litigation,and if these entities are afraid of

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being sued and using a lot ofmoney and getting even more exposure, that
would that I think that that willhelp to move the needle. So I'm
definitely on board with you on that. So so so last question, I
mean, you've got this lawsuit going. I mean, what else do you
have coming down the pike as faras fighting this battle? Yeah, well,
I mean certainly, you know,America First Legal Center for Legal Equality,

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we've got we've got a few casesout there. The City of Philadelphia
we're suing for their um you know, essentially destroying merit based admissions and you
know, really the war on merit. We've got a case in Loudon County,
similar type case to what's going onOuclaire. We've got the case in
Auclaire. I mean, we haveother cases as well against corporations. But
you know, there are going tobe more suits down the road against against

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these rogue school systems that that feelthat you know, the child belongs to
the school system, the child belongsto the government and not to the parents.
Uh. And this is you know, this is a righteous cause that
that needs to be fought. Andyou know, for far too long,
the left has been the ones thathave been on offense by litigating these things.
And I think now, you know, especially after the past two years,

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starting with COVID, you're starting tosee you know, common sense individuals,
not necessarily right or left, butpeople that are that are you know,
committed to the rule of law,committed to the parent child bond and
relationship. And you know this thisis going to be fought out in the
courts for years to come. Yeah. Yeah, you're speaking my language now,
especially when you're talking about not beingon the defense. You know,

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I've been saying conservatives, we needto go on the offense, make them
and defend what they're doing. Absolutelyyeah. So before we sign up,
why don't you let everybody know wherethey can find you. Absolutely so on
Twitter. I'm at at n Dprior um. But also, if if
you know the things you've heard hereare happening in your schools, UM,
go to America First Legal it's aflegal dot org um, and you can

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actually submit something at af legal dotorg backslash hotline UM. So I would
encourage you to do that if you'reseeing similar type of things in your schools.
And then of course on the onthe other hat, here on the
Citizens for Sanity, go follow usthat at Citizens Underscore Sanity. You'll see
some some some interesting billboards I thinkthat I'll that'll make you think, but
also some some ads that that don'tpull any bunches, because you know,

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that's how we're gonna that's how we'regonna win, is by showing everybody exactly
what's going on, why it's happening, and why it needs to change.
Awesome. Well, thanks for joiningthe program and I look forward to hearing
more from you on this stuff.Absolutely, thanks a lot. This has

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