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Now this is the FCB Podcast Network. This is a fresh perspective, Jeff
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Charles, without further ado, I'mgoing to bring on my guests. I
have with me the president of SummitMinistries and doctor Jeff Myers, and I
have with me a reporter from theChristian Post, Brandon Show Walter. Welcome
to the program, gentlemen, ThankJeff. Great to be with you.
Thank you, Jeff. Yes,I'm very excited about these conversations. So
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we're gonna be talking about this wholepush to trans the kids, essentially dealing
with you know, gender firming careand excuse me, and also why there
has been such an increase in thenumber of children that are dealing with gender
dysphoria, or at least children whobelieve they are. But before we get
into all that, why don't youtell us about yourselves. I'll start with
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you, doctor Jeff Well. Minist'mthe president of Summit Ministries. We're based
in a little hippietown in Colorado,tucked in right at the photopike's peak,
and we work with young adults sixteento twenty five years of age to help
them be equipped and supported to embraceGod's truth and champion of biblical worldviews.
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So it's a Christian program, butnot of any particular sect or denomination,
just a program that's focused on figuringout whether there are things in the Bible
we desperately need in our own timeso that we can regain a sense of
truth and not destroy ourselves as anation. Yes, yeah, truth is
in short supply these days. I'mdefinitely moving you on that. And what
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about your random But yes, Iam Brandon Showalter, and I've been a
journalist with The Christian Post since thesummer of twenty sixteen, investigative reporter,
and I've focused heavily. I'm partof this conversation today because I've focused heavily
on what I believe is one ofthe worst medical scandals the world has ever
seen, and that is the genderaffirming care, the transing of children chemically
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and surgically. I do report onother issues, but I've been just focused
like a laser on that because ofwhat I learned several years ago, just
what was being done in clinics,in hospitals around the country and around the
world. It's just kind of likeI like to say that something inside me
snapped when I learned the extent ofthe horrors, and I've just never looked
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back since my doing a couple ofdifferent things now at the Christian Post,
more longer term projects. I wasthere beat reporter for just grinding it out
many articles per week. I've justfinished a master's degree at Catholic University of
America, and so I've come backin May or June, I think it
was when I came back, andI've been doing more longer term projects,
but still very much dedicated to theissue and still cranking out some articles here
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and there. Granted and I areworking on an e book together on the
transgender issue, and that's why wethought maybe being on the show together would
be helpful. But hopefully we'll comeout here in a couple of months,
and uh, your your subscribers willdefinitely want to read it. It's going
to generate a lot of discussion,probably a lot of hate, not because
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we're harteful people, but because whenyou speak the truth, people who benefit
from lies become angry, yes,of course. And then what's going to
be the title of the book?Never working title yet, that's kind of
We're good. It's still very muchin the development pages where I'm we're working
on writing on it. Writing itnow, we've got our chapters, and
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I've been as a journalist is veryinfo heavy stuff. But we're we're drafting
that. So the title, Yeah, definitely, I'm definitely looking forward to
that because I mean, there needsto be more information on this stuff now.
Nfhen I get into the specific questions, why why don't you guys kind
of give me give us an overviewof what's been going on with this whole
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movement to trans the kids and reallyjust the promotion of transgender ideology overall.
Brandon, can I start just bygoing over sort of the linguistic aspect of
it, because I think that's reallywhere it began. I think that's half
the battle. So yes, that'sgood. Yeah. So when I was
a graduate student in my doctoral programback in the early nineteen ninety, we
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began reading articles on sexuality and genderthat sexuality is biological, but gender is
a performance. In fact, Istill remember the article by Weston Zimmerman called
doing Gender, And that was backin the postmodern days where scholars were saying
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things like, well, there's notruth. Truth is just a performance.
It's a social construction. So whateveris true for you is what is true
for you that you don't you don'tseek the truth, which used to be
what we did at the university.Instead you speak your truth. And in
my particular area, in the humanCommunication studies, in the doctor the Doctor
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of Philosophy program, that was allthe rage. I had no idea that
it would be carried as far asit is. But what came out of
that, Jeff, is this beliefthat sexuality and gender are different things.
No evidence has ever been produced forthis. It is a theory, an
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assumption that is made that that violatesthe very way we understand language in order
to create space for a twisted ideologythat is now one of the greatest sources
of child abuse in the United Statesof America. Okay, that's exactly right,
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and I understanding that linguistic twisting andthe philosophical underpinnings is absolutely essential to
understanding all of this. But that'samplified on steroids literally when you consider the
medicalization of all of those ideas,and that's what if gender And I say
that with I'll just tag onto thatthe first people are starting to know about
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this because this was in that documentarythat was so well received what is a
woman? By the Daily Wire,there's the character that doctor Miriam Grossman,
the psychiatrist mentioned, doctor John Money. If anybody's solely responsible, there's many
actors here and that played a partin this. But if anybody is most
responsible for twisting and conflating sex andgender and fomenting so much confusion around that,
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it was that guy. He wasa sexologist and a psychologist originally from
New Zealand that was then at JohnsHopkins that did these experiments on children,
and he was the first person tocoin what we now know is gender identity
and gender roles, and so thattwisting of language was absolutely essential from the
beginning when they started in the modernsense back in the sixties, and ultimately
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at Hopkins that was shut down,but then it's been reinvigorated in recent years
and it's just exploded. In thelast fifteen years. The first what we
now call pediatric gender clinics was openedin Boston. Norman Spack is the big
doctor up there that, from whatI understand from the research I've done,
engineered a lot of this horror whereguidelines and professional associations were changed in pediatrics
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and endochronology in the medical field,and so it's just taken off from there.
Today, if you count planned parenthoodclinics which are now passing out testosterone
like candy, we're talking about hundredsof gender or clinics around the country.
So all of those twisted and warpedphilosophical ideas. When you then infuse that
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with experimental medicalization, you have oneof the most horrific medical scandals the world
has ever seen. And it's alsoa child abuse scandals. The carnage is
so vast, but so many peopledon't know much about it because there is
a mass media. Our Leviathan pressis a protection racket around all of these
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facilities that do these heinous things toyoung people, many of whom are on
the autism spectrum, many of whomare dealing with a lot of you know,
psychiatric co morbidities and mental health challenges. It's bleak out there. And
when this spell breaks off of oursociety, as I sometimes say, I'm
going to be among the few peopleand Jeff is probably going to be among
the few people that are not shockedby the scope of how terrible it is.
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Yeah, I mean, I thinkpeople aren't aware of how much this
is growing. But going back toJohn Money, I mean, because it
sounds like he's like the father ofthis whole thing. Can you give us
I mean, what type of studiesor experiments was he doing back in the
sixties. Well, the most themost famous one is of the Rhymer twins,
and this was also mentioned in thatdocumentary film. There were two boys
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and they were treated by John Money, and one of them David Rhymer,
who I think he went by adifferent name. As a child, during
a circumcision, part of his peniswas burned. And so what John Money
then advised the parents to do wasto raise this boy as a girl.
And he argued that this theoretically couldwork, and then presented to the public
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that this was actually a working modelfor how to treat cases like this.
And because of these conflated, insanenotions of gender that he was pushing,
this was you know, this wasseen as something that was fine. Of
course, he later found out thewe later found out that that he was
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not really a girl, that hewas confused from the beginning, David David
Rymer was biologically male. Yes,something tragic happened as a baby with his
circumcision going wrong, but he learnedthe truth and then he changed his name
to David. I don't know whatit was before, like I said,
but both of those twin boys woundup taking their own lives by suicide.
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It was just ended in tragedy,and I kind of think that that's sadly,
that was a foreshadowing of the horrorthat's now culture wide, and we're
seeing many people take their own livesand we don't really know about it because
the line that modern transactivists pushes thatif you don't allow your kid to transition
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and go on this experimentalization, theywill kill themselves. And so that just
frees his parents in a state ofpanicked fear. But it's all a lie.
We know that there's a big studythat is often cited out of Sweden
where they actually followed all of thepeople that were once called transsexuals, and
they found that there was a nineteennineteen times higher hazard of suicide completed suicide
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after their postoperative you know, transition. I don't even like to say the
word transition because you can't transition sex. Yeah, but not really a transition.
Yeah, it's shrouded in so manylies, and it's it's just brutal.
I mean, I can't I can'ttell you how much it has crushed
my heart to see so many youngpeople get mired in these lies and then
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irreversibly damage their bodies and they're sterileand disfigured. These pictures look like something
out of a horror movie. Butthis is happening right now today, Jeff,
every there are six thousand, fivehundred differences between males and females biological.
This is not like we're just talkingabout whether somebody has a penis or
not. Virtually every cell of yourbody is gendered. And this is using
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the word gender in the way it'sit's meant to be used scientifically genetic,
genetic, yes, rather than it'sjust your It's sort of a position on
a dial that you choose, whichis the current current methodology. But the
current methodology is Brandon's pointed out,and as a journalist, he's digging into
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this is you know, I thinka lot of its read George Orwell's book
in nineteen eighty four when we weregrowing up and realized that it is possible
for the people in power to sotwist the language that it's no longer possible
to see the truth right. Andthis term that we're talking about today,
Jeff, gender affirming care is anexample of that. That is an Orwellian
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use of language to challenge. Useyour quotes. You should always use your
quotes when you say gender affirming care, gender affirming yeah, gender affirming care.
Gender affirming care is to a child'ssexuality what child pornography is to child
sexuality. And this is as asBrandon mentioned, it's a medical scandal.
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It's it's it's a complete abuse oftrust of parents and children. It is
a complete distortion of the education curriculum, and it is a complete denial of
actual reality, which really does exist. And when you come up against it,
you hurt people, and people hurtthemselves well. And this is what
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happens when you promote the idea thatthere is no objective truth. I mean
you allude to that earlier that Ihate that phrase my truth. I'll put
that in quotations. Now there's truth. I mean, my truth doesn't apply
to much. So why don't soyou know, you you talked about gender
firm and care. That's what Iwanted to ask about. Can you give
us a description of what that entails, especially in miners. Well, what
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it usually entails if you're talking abouta prepubescent child is they'll start with what
they call social transitioning, where thatmeans you'll start calling child of the by
their own selected name, a newname that is usually more associated with the
opposite sex, maybe going by oppositesex pronouns. They'll start dressing to present
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as the opposite sex. Schools willcooperate with this, and because this dogma
has been furthered so much in ourinstitutions, there's people are more than willing
to go along with this. Evenin very conservative areas. You'd be surprised
where school officials are totally participating andpushing this ardentably. Yes, I want
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to because people think that this isonly happening in blue states, not even
in rural places. You would neverthink it exists. It's there. And
then if you're going down the medicalizedpathway, the social transitioning sort of facilitates
the brainwashing of these untruths. Andthen what what they will do if you
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go to a gender clinic, andthere's dozens of these now they're prominent children's
hospitals, the administer chemical puberty blockor to halt natural puberty to prevent the
growth of secondary sex characteristics and thenstunt their maturation, and then f that
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is successful, which none of thisis medically ethical, then it will then
follow on with synthetic opposite sex hormoneswhich will then permanently sterilize the child very
likely, and then possibly after thata disfiguring cosmetic gender surgery to make the
appearance of the body seem more likethe opposite sex. Sometimes it depends on
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if it's a male or a female. All the double mastectomies on teen girls
are all the rage now, andso I don't think you necessarily have to
go on hormones before that. There'sno rhyme or rhythm to any of this.
This is all one big mess becausenone of this is medically or ethically
sound. But there's a whole pathwayfor boys estradile and spiral and lactone hormones.
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I've interviewed a couple of people whohave been on that, And sometimes
there's orchiectomes which they amputate the testiclesor vaginoplastis where they cut off the invert
the penis and carve a cavity intothe crotch to make it seem like a
female sex organ It's it's brutal someof these these surgeries, and they're very
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high complication rates because you're harming thebody. You're not fixing anything. This
is you know, as human beings, we are embodied persons. We are
integrated whole organisms that are designed withthe functioning you know, cardiovascular endocrine systems.
It's it all is supposed to worktogether. And you can't just hijack
that for your own self oriented purposesbecause you'll you'll do yourself great, great
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harm um. But it's add somethingin here around you too. That's that's
important because this the medical information isso critical, but there is a there
is a The social aspect that youmentioned at the outset is really significant,
right. The reason that that happened, I mean, two thirds of people,
according to the poll that we didthrough some administry say the transgenderism is
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not a normal, healthy lifestyle.Right. Then we ask, well,
then why don't you say anything?And they at half the people said,
I don't see anything so as notto offend anyone. So so the battle
really is when a child comes toschool, a boy wearing a dress,
everybody pretends that it is normal.And so as to not hurt the child's
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feelings right, and then all ofa sudden you end up in a medical
clinic where the doctors operate under theassumption that the material world is all there
is, That there there's no God, there's no Jesus, there's an only
spirits, there's no Heaven, there'sno help, there's only the physical body.
And if you will simply mutilate thephysical body to fit the internal perceptions,
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then everything will be resolved. Anxietyand depression will go away, the
possibility of suicide goes away, andso forth. What Brandon's pointing out,
this is why this ebook is goingto be so startling, is exactly the
opposite is the case. You endup putting people in a situation where they
realize, once they you know,are moving toward adulthood, that they've made
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irreversible changes to their body. They'reruined now forever, and you know,
they're maybe they're on a different positionon the dial. Seventy percent of kids
by the time they reach puberty andreach age eighteen, they're they're resolved with
their biological sect. But now they'remessed up, and the doctors don't take
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any responsibility for it. There's nothere's no liability because it would have been
in the years at this point sincethose those surgeries have taken place, or
those procedures have taken place. SoI think when Brandon calls this the greatest
medical scandal of our time, thatneeds to come to attention. This is
this is unreal. But this ishappening in our world now, and it's
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Yeah, and I definitely want totalk about the social aspect of that,
because you're right, a lot ofpeople are afraid. I mean, how
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sick have we become to where peopleare afraid to say men or men and
women or women, and men can'tbe women and women can't be men.
That's that's disturbing all on its own. But to get to further disturb you
guys, I'm gonna I'm just gonnagive you guys a couple of statistics here,
and I want to get your reactionto these. So the Florida Standard
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they reported, and this is gonnabe a little bit of a long quote,
but it says, quote from twentyseventeen to twenty twenty one, Florida
Medicaid saw only a sixty three percentincrease in children receiving therapy for their treatment
of gender dysphoria. But at thesame time, yet there was an alarming
increase in pharmaceutical and surgical treatments forgender dysphoria, including a two hundred and
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seventy percent increase in childien receiving pubertyblockers, a one hundred and sixty six
percent increase in children receiving testosterone,and a one hundred and ten percent increase
in children receiving estrogen. And bythe way, these numbers only include Medicaid
it doesn't include anything outside of that. So this is already disturbing all in
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its home. Also, you guysare probably familiar with I'm Abigail Syer's book
Irreversible Damage. She were in herbooks she referred to a study in the
United Kingdom that found that found afour thousand, four thousand, and four
hundred percent increase in teenage girls seekinggender affirming care. So my question is
what do you attribute these increases to. Well, I can say that you
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have to follow the money at thatthere's there are many reasons and for this,
I'm going to give a shout outto a friend of mine who's done
some of the most astonishing investigative journalism, Jennifer Billick. She blogs at the
eleventh Hour Blog. She's published ina number of different publications. Most recently,
she had an explosive article in TabletMagazine, which is a Jewish publication,
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and she traced there's many sort ofbillionaire and multimillionaire actors that are a
part of this, but their wealthis just stated in the medical industrial complex
and tech and other sources of youknow, just where you really grow your
money, and she highlighted the Pritzkerfamily out in Illinois, which they're big
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billionaire types. One of them isa Jennifer Pritsker, who is a man
who trans himself into appearing more likea woman. And there is a consertive
throughout. A lot of people gaveus the opioid crisis just y, yeah,
and well, and they're not theonly ones. But you know,
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if you think about it this way, you take, why is this exploding?
Well, if you can then marketand advertise this experimental medicalization as a
life saving treatment, and you've alsomarketed it as an identity, which is
huge and to the young generation onsocial media, on websites like Tumblr and
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YouTube and Instagram, where these funtransactivists just post all this stuff and you're
going to your problems team girls aregoing to go away. If you just
start a course of testosterone, youcan then get a lifetime medical patient and
you've got customers. And I thinkin the last I remember seeing a statistic
a couple years ago, it's probablymuch higher now where I think two percent
of American high schoolers identify as trans. I know how many of them are
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going to the medicalized route, butthese drugs are very expensive, and then
these surgeries that we're talking about thousandsof dollars. So you've got a lifelong
medical patient and you've got lots ofbucks. And so there are people who
have, you know, motives tomake a lot of profit off of,
you know, disfiguring and sterilizing thesechildren who will then get sick and then
you'll need more medical treatment, andso they just they keep making cash hand
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over fist. That all sounds kindof tinfoil hat, conspiratorial, kind of
you know talk. But if youread if you read that article, you'll
see all the hyperlinks. She's meticulousjournalists, and she's cited at all.
The other thing I think is justI'd be remissed. This is just straight
up Efesian six spiritual warfare. Ican't just as a Christian, I must
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say that this enemy throwing the kitchensink at this generation that they're crying for
identity with all of the family breakdownthat's gone on in our culture. People
want to latch onto something that willthey think will give them meaning. But
it's just so catastrophically harmful. Andto your point, if I just may
add here about people being afraid tosay anything or confront things, some of
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the most bold voices are that aresaying things that are raising their fal art
are not Christians. God will raiseup people to contend against evil if the
Church is silent. And some ofthe most articulate apologists for the truth that
I know are atheists, their gaysand lesbians, their radical feminists. I
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disagree with them on many things,but they're showing us up. I mean,
where are there are some Christian leadersthat I know who are speaking out
boldly, and thank God for them, but not near enough if I may,
and I think it's going to takebeing confronted with the gristly realities of
what all of this entails so thatpeople can be jolted out of their own
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stupor, because I mean, ifwe can't say that disfiguring a child and
sterilizing a child, if we can'tsay anything about that, what are we
even doing? I mean, itmatters to the man who called me and
told me that after he got histesticles amputated, that he wound up ejaculating
blood, that somebody's got to speakup. I mean, I've never heard
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a man more tormented than that.Who will speak up for these people?
Christian leaders, pastors, if you'renot addressing this from your pulpit. I
think it's a dereliction of duty atthis point. And I know you under
a lot of pressure. But ifever there was a hill on which to
plant your flag and die on,it's this one. And pastors are certainly,
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if they have more than fifty peoplein their congregation, going to have
someone in their congregation who's personally wrestlingwith this. Not one of those issues
where you can say, you knowhow, we should just sort of let
that one go, so stay focusedon the word kind of thing. The
families are really dealing with it because, as Brandon pointed out, the fact
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that different people in the medical fieldwith evil intentions have found this to be
a brand new market for themselves inturn helped to foster a social contagion.
And when young people are caught upin in this at the time when they're
already confused about their identity overall,if you can further confuse them about their
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gender rather than helping them find thesense of purpose and meaning that they're really
looking for, that you can keepthem subservient for the rest of their lives.
Yes, yes, if you followmy teachings, you will know the
truth. The word that's the Greekword reality. You will know reality and
reality will set you. Yeah,I mean, and you know, when
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I think about it, I mean, what better way to destroy somebody?
And I'm talking spiritually, I'm talkingabout what from the enemy's point of view?
What better way to destroy somebody thento destroy their identity and make sure
that they don't really understand who theyreally are. I mean, you see
that all throughout the Old and Newtestamentum. But I did want to kind
of touch on the social contagion aspectof because and I don't believe Brandon that
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that this sounds Tinfoil had at all. I do think a lot of this
is motivated by money. Of courseit is. I mean, I mean
Stevie wanted. Yeah, I soundedTinfoil had a couple of years ago.
I think people are finally waking upnow. But when I first learned of
this, I would talk to peopleabout this and they would just look at
me like they couldn't even believe it. And I think it is because it's
so horrible, a sort of ananalysis paralysis sets in with most people when
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I try to tell them about thiskind of thing, And then I'll show
them pictures of these postoperative butcheries thatthey do, you know, and then
the color drains from their face andthey realize, Oh, it's just bad
as you say, and probably worse. So yeah, and it's like it's
going to get harder for these peopleto avoid it at some point, maybe
gonna you know, get get outthe sidelines. You're just gonna stay there.
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But why? But here's my thing, Because there is that United Kingdom
study that said that more teenage girlsespecially are seeking gender affirming care. Why
is there an increase here? Imean because I know what the left would
argue. They would say, oh, well, they're just feeling more comfortable
coming out because now it's more sociallyacceptable. So that's why you have more
of these kids coming out and identifyingas transgender. But what's really going on
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here? Because I don't buy thatfor a second, Jeff, there are
a couple of things that and I'mcurious to hear what Brandon says in response
to this. But I work withyoung adults every day. I just finished
the summer programs where I had youngadults with my team and me to study
Christian worldview apologetics for two weeks ata time, one seven hundred and ten
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students just this summer, and soI can tell you what's going on in
their minds and in their hearts.Seventy five percent of them say they do
not have a sense of purpose thatgives them meaning in life. Fifty three
percent regularly struggle with anxiety and depression. Those fact coming out of COVID.
Now, if you live in aculture that says, hey, the stereotypes
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are all true. If you're aboy, you don't play football, you
know, you would rather play theflute. Maybe you're not a boy,
right, And all of a sudden, all of these young men who are
very massive, you know, they'reboys, they're male, they played the
flute. Who cares, you know? Or if a girl wants to play
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soccer, well, you know,maybe you're really masculine. Maybe you're not
actually a girl. If someone isstruggling at that point in life, which
is fairly normal, with their senseof purpose and trying to find meaning in
life, it is really easy forthe enemy to step in and create additional
confusion. And don't forget then,Genesis chapter three, creating a rift between
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the man and the woman was thevery first thing that Satan did when he
came on the attack. That's true, that's true. What do you think,
Brandon, about this whole social contagionor how or how is it even
happening? Like, oh I thinkwe lost them, oh Brandon? I
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yeah, yeah, right, Okay, I was talking about what I'm saying.
I was rocking a pink shirt today. If we're talking about gender norms
or whatever, like you know,hey, that's totally great, and I
think that's a it's an important pointto underscore when we speak of these issues,
because yes, I it's it's interesting. I mentioned radical feminists that I
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converse with when I speak about this. You know, those gals, they
don't like these rigid gender norms,and there's a part of that. I
think it's absolutely right. You canbe a masculine man and play the piano
or sing or do the arts,and you can be a girl that has
you know, atypical interests if youwill, and that's fine. And but
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what feminists will often say, andI agree with this, is that transgender
ideology is a reinforcement of those samestereotypes just turned on its head, right,
I mean this same name because yousee you see these you know,
men, especially these transactivist men claimingto be women. They're dressed up,
some of them they do the drag, the drag queen stuff, but they
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dress up in the most garish,ugly that's not even feminine. But it's
like it's a stereotype of what acaricature of what women is. We saw
Bruish Jenner on the cover of VanityFair in that smock or whatever it was
several years ago. I don't knowa single woman that dresses like that.
But it's it's stereotypes of women thatare frankly pretty demeaning. And that's that
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is transactivism and trans ideology to thecore. It's a stereotype on steroids.
So so let me ask you thisand I'll paint the scenario. Let's say
there's a child who expresses that theymight be dealing with some of these symptoms,
like maybe they're confused, was aboutwhether they're a boy or a girl,
and they expressed this to a teacheror a parent or a therapist.
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I want you to kind of guys, to kind of walk you through how
this should be handled verse and thenexplain how it actually is being handled in
reality. Nowadays, there are acouple of things. Jeff and I appreciate
this because, yeah, what we'retalking about here seems horrifying to a lot
of people. But for a lotof people who are watching and listening right
now, this is hitting very closeto home. They've got someone who's actually
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caught up in this struggle right now. So I asked doctor Trent Langhoffer,
who's a friend of mine. Heruns the Colorado Christian University Counseling Center,
and that's a group you can reachout to. The Trent doctor Langhoffer shared
with me that there are always underlyinghurts that a person is dealing with,
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always, and he said, ifyou will get down into those underlying hurts
and help them resolve those things.And this was his quote to me,
the gender issue almost always resolves.M That's that's exactly right. I don't
think I've ever heard of a singlecase where the very real distress, the
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body dysphoria, body dysmorphia that peopleexperience in this arena. It's always within
a cluster of other mental health comorbidities. You address the other issues and
this resolves on its own. AndI think for some they're just caught up
in the contagion, and they it'sjust becomes their new identity and it's not
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it has nothing to do with anythingdistinctly psychiatric. There's there's just it's like
the cool thing to do. Thereis there is a certain amount of that
um the people that I think wereally need to have a lot of compassion
for. And it's so important torecognize that that this is very real distress
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for some, especially when you considerteen girls, who are the predominant demographic
now, and that's what Abigail Speiertwas mentioned earlier. That's that's what her
book is about, because this isdisproportionately affecting teen girls. But the numbers
are just huge, four thousand percent, and you mentioned in England that's a
decade. Is that often the genderdistress is a response to trauma. Many
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of these girls have been sexually assaultedand they want to escape womanhood because it
was just so painful, you know. They think that if they can become
a man, they will be ableto get away from the pain that they
experienced as a woman. Now that'snot every girl obviously, right, there
are a really really high number ofthem say that they were assaulted or molested
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or rate you think of trauma.The last two years have included an enormous
amount of trauma for young adults goingthrough COVID. You had four hundred and
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seventy five young adults the last Ichecked the statistics who had died from COVID,
four hundred and seventy five. Eightthousand had committed suicide. The numbers
popped up to one hundred thousand peoplewho died from drug overdoses, the vast
majority of which are young people.The number one fear of people my age
is government corruption. The number onefear of young adults I work with being
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alone. So the OVID lockdowns,in essence, triggered a whole new level
of trauma in young adults. Andtrying to when people are traumatized, rather
than trying to understand how to refillthemselves, if they don't have the spiritual
resources of Jesus, you know,it's very hard for them to do anything
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other than just try to compensate forit. So they just try all sorts
of different medications, you know,not just physical medications, but netflix,
jung food, whatever, you know, whatever they think will soothe the pain.
And there are a lot of youngpeople out there now who have become
convinced that they won't discover their purposein life until they start taking these medical
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having these medical procedures done, andthen that will give them the relief that
they need in the same way thatsomeone would think, I've got a headache
tilent all will give me the reliefI need, right right, Yeah,
Yeah, And it's really sad.I mean there's a hole there and you
try to fill it with things thataren't going to fill it. I mean
that's the story of them, youknow, that's the tale as old as
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time. Yeah. Yeah, Solast question, because I mean, we
can go on and on about this, but I want to respect your time.
But last question is, you know, going back to what you said
earlier, and I hope I thinkwe lost Brandon. Hopefully he'll we'll be
able to get them back on.But you know, you mentioned people being
afraid to speak out on these things, and I know that some people just
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don't really believe that it's happening becauseit is so atrocious. I can understand
why somebody might doubt. But nowthere's there's enough proof out there. I
mean, I'm sure Brandon's written aboutit. You have, I've written tons
of articles on this subject, andI'm and I'm just we're just a few
of many. So what how shouldwe be pushing back on this? What
are the best ways to stop thistrend? Because they're not going to stop
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I mean, I mean, thesepeople aren't going to stop promoting this.
How do we reverse this? What'sgoing on? Well? I think of
this as as somebody who works withyoung people, So I'm thinking mostly of
how my generation can help the risinggeneration grapple with this. With my own
children, with the students I workwith, I first of all want to
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try to understand what's happening with themand their friends. What's going on?
Why are people doing these kinds ofthings? So, you know, if
your child says, look at them, want to talk about it with you?
You don't have to say what doyou think about it? You can
ask, hey, are there anyfriends in your school that you they're struggling
with their gender? You know,what's that like? Well, how do
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you notice that? How do youhandle that? How do you how do
you help not how do you nothurt the feelings of that person, while
at the same time avoid pretending thatthey've somehow created a new reality which is
actually real. Right, that's thekind of conversation you have to have with
your your child. There are dragclean shows, book reading to little children.
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Why to soften people up to theidea that transgressing gender norms is fun
and good? Okay, that's it'sso, it's softening children up for that.
You know, that conversation has tobe had with the parent and child
to say that that well functioning adultsdo not act like this. There's something
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going on that is deeper. There'ssome kind of a hurt this person has
experienced and they feel this sort ofreaction. By changing the physical impression that
they give to the outside world issomehow going to make it better. And
now, Jeff, notice when Iphrase all of those questions that way,
it's the same conversation that parents needto be having with their kids who aren't
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interested in transgender Yeah, right,Because I mean, you go through the
checkout counter at the grocery store,you see pictures of women on the covers
of magazines who do not exist.They take a real picture of a woman
and they change it so much throughairbrushing that that person literally does not exist,
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and yet it's being held forward asthe model of what a woman should
look like, or the same thingyou know on a muscle and fitness magazine
or whatever. You know that allthese things they do for the lighting and
the preparation for the photoshoot and brushingthemselves with you know, tanning solution and
all these things. This is nota real person, right, Okay,
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So we need to go back tothe idea that we were made in God's
image and he made us just theway we are, just the way He
wanted us to be for some greatpurpose that involves something that will bring glory
to Him and bring meaning to us. So parents who don't believe in God
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are going to have a tougher timehaving a conversation. Parents who aren't willing
to ask the Lord for help andresolving the underlying hurts are going to have
a very difficult time trying to cometo any sense of it. And they're
also going to have a very difficulttime setting boundaries against the sexual abuse that
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almost certainly will happen to young peoplewho are in this transition process. Yeah,
definitely, definitely, And I'm surewe can go on and on about
this. Maybe maybe have you guysback on again. It looks like Brandon
wasn't able to reconnect, But Ireally appreciate you coming on because this is
this is a very important topic andI've been especially when I realized that how
prevalent this was, Like I justcouldn't not talk about it. So I'm
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glad we're able to have these conversations. But before we sign off, why
don't you let everybody know? Butremember, let everybody know where they can
find you. Yeah, it's veryeasy. My name is Jeff Myers.
I'm the president of Summit Ministries.Our website is Summit dot org s u
m mit dot org. You cancome there. Our resource library is free
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as resources on how to understand andteach a Biblical sexual ethic to young adults,
video clips on all manner of topics, and articles and other kinds of
things that can be helpful there.So all right, Brandon and back,
Yeah you got you don't even doit all out, We solved it all.
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Yeah, I'm so sorry. Itjust froze up on me here in
our newsroom. And so I justhad a very frustrated call with one of
my superiors here is like we've gotto get this. I think it's our
service provider it's not their fault.But yeah, I'm sure it was a
very scintillating conversation. And if Ican just say anything else, it will
be This is a civilizational struggle.This is not even just about gender.
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It is about that, but thisis what is at stake here is reality
as we know it. If wedon't get this question right, we will
not be able to process the truthat all. This is a big deal.
This is as one of my favoriteatheists who's contending against this says,
reality's last sand. We will loseour last collective tether to reality, and
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that's our biology if we don't declarethe truth here. I think you're right
because this issue deals with a foundationalaspect of humanity, men and women.
So yeah, I agree, that'sthe perfect way. It's a way to
end on. But I'm hoping Ican have you guys back on again sometimes
to go a little bit deeper intothis. But I really appreciate you guys
coming on. Oh and Brandon,I'm sorry about let people know where they
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can find you. Say again,let people know where they can find you
online. Oh yes, I'm onTwitter at Brandon m Show. And then
you can follow my byline at ChristianPost dot com. Okay, great,
well, thank you very much,and we'll have to do this again some
when the ebook comes out. We'dlove to come back. Definitely, definitely.
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