Ep. 39 - Steven Crowder and "Black Fatigue"

On today's episode Jeff examines Steven Crowder's stunt at a Black barbershop and so called "Black fatigue". 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this is the FCB Podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is a fresh perspective with Jeff Charles.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Right, y'all, welcome on back. Welcome on back to a
fresh perspective with Jeff Charles on the FCB Network, where
we prefer truth over narrative and principles over politics. And
today we're gonna get a little bit spicy. I'm talking
about some cayenne pepper and tabasco spicy. We're gonna talk
about a video that Stephen Crowder made and you've probably

(00:48):
already seen it, but it's about black fatigue, whatever the
hell that is.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm gonna we're.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Gonna break all that down and I'm gonna address some
of the claims that he makes, uh during this conversation.
I think it's worth talking about. But before I get
into all of that, I got to remind you. I
got to remind you. You know what you need to do.
You need to like this, you need to share this.
You also need to subscribe if you haven't already. That way,
you'll be notified whenever I upload a new episode. Also, also,

(01:16):
if you really want to help me out, it only
takes maybe fifteen seconds, leave me a little review telling
people why you love my podcast so much it should
be obvious, but I mean, sometimes you got to let
people know. Anyway, I highly appreciate all of you. I'll
also make sure you check out my substack. It's called
Chasing Liberty. You can access that at libertychasers dot com

(01:37):
where you can see all my writings and videos and
all that other good stuff about liberty and fighting the
good fight. So anyway, let's go ahead and get into this.
So Stephen Crowder did a conversation with some black men
at a barbershop in Indianapolis, I believe, and he's done

(01:57):
this before, probably a few years ago, but he released
a new episode of this and he released part one
last week and very interesting. And the idea was to
discuss race relations with black people, something honestly that I'll
say not a lot of conservative pundits will do. It's

(02:17):
just it's just not really a thing unless you're talking
to black people who already agree with them. So these
conversations do need to be had. But at the same time,
there's some issues here, just as always. But the topic
of the conversation dealt with the concept of quote unquote

(02:37):
black fatigue. Now you've seen how the right has used
this term over the past few months, and just before
I get into some of the arguments that Crowder made,
I got to deal with this black fatigue thing, because
the right has really bastardized this term. So the term
black fatigue was coined back in twenty twenty by a

(03:00):
diversity expert named Mary Francis Winters. She wrote a book
called Black Fatigue, How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit,
and she defines it as quote repeated variations of stress
that results in extreme exhaustion and cause mental, physical, and
spiritual maladies that are passed down from generation to generation.
And it basically talks about how persistent racism has impacted

(03:23):
Black people in America over history and has been passed down.
And there's some aspects of the concept that I agree
with and some that I don't. I mean, I've seen
it also use in a way that promotes the left
wing narrative about black people being helpless victims, unable to
do herself unless white saviors come and rescue us. So
I've I've seen both sides of that. But just like

(03:44):
I look at everything else, I look at this in
a nuanced way.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
But here's where it gets ugly.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Right wing content creators like Crowder, but not just him,
a lot of others have been flipping this term on
its head, especially on social media, and you're using the
term black fatigue to mean white people being tired of
black people or tired of hearing about black people or whatever,
which is interesting because a lot of these people probably
don't even live near black people. But I digress anyway,

(04:10):
So they've taken a term used to describe, you know,
legitimate concerns about racism, and they turn it into a
justification for their own racial resentment and their own racial
hang ups. It's kind of like it's kind of like
taking the term PTSD and using it to describe how
you find veterans to be annoying. I mean, I don't,

(04:31):
but it's just that's just it's like doing that. Really,
it's ridiculous. So here's the thing. In this conversation, Crowder
is explaining to these black men, about four or five
of them in the barbershop, about why white people are
experiencing the right wing version of black fatigue, basically airing

(04:52):
out a lot of the grievances that you see a
lot of white people express online.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
And I really can't even say, white people. This is
coming from the right.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
This is conservatives and right leaning libertarians and right leaning populace.
You're not really seeing a lot of this on the left.
They've got their own issues that you've heard me talk
about ad nauseum. But that was basically the premise of
the conversation that Crowder was having with these men. So
let's trap in and grab a little bit of popcorn.
We're gonna break some of this stuff down. I'm gonna

(05:21):
have some clips for you, all that good stuff. So
right off the bat, Stephen Crowder goes into crime statistics, right.
I mean, that's one of the favorite talking points among
right wing commentators. Usually it's talking about the thirteen to
fifty statistic. Thirteen percent of the population commits over fifty
percent of violent crime, YadA, YadA, YadA. I've addressed that

(05:44):
multiple times and explained why the way they use that
statistic is deeply flawed. But in this case, Stephen Crowder
was focusing on black on white violence specifically, and he
makes a rather dou be his claim that doesn't quite
add up when you look at the actual numbers. So
I'll go ahead and roll that for you right now.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'm white people are twelve times as likely to be
killed by a black person in the way round. I'm
gonna shot you straight, it's not even close where across
the country where I.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like the United States. I mean'm not talk about Ghana
in like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
What I'm saying is in white communities or in quote
unquote so called white communities across the country, the rates
a black man or person. Because most murders men, there
are very few female murders, twelve times more likely to
kill a white person near the way around me.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So, so you heard that, right, I mean Stephen Crowder
is claiming that white people are twelve times as likely
to be killed by a black person as vice versa.
Now here's the thing, right off the bat, you hear
twelve times, right, I mean I would think that if
that were actually true, I mean, regular citizens, white citizens
would need a bulletproof vest just to go to the

(06:50):
grocery store. Right, So that already didn't really ring as true.
I've seen a lot of memes making that claim. I
haven't found any study that actually backs that up.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
If you look at the FBI's own homicide data from
twenty nineteen, there is still a disparity, so there really
isn't a reason to lie about it, but there is
a disparity. If the FBI's data is correct, the ratio
is actually about about two i'm sorry, twice as likely,
not twelve times as likely for black offenders to victimize

(07:25):
white people.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
When you look at the real ratio based on the
FBI's data, if that's accurate, the actual number is closer
to being twice as likely. Like black criminals are twice
as likely to murder a white victim than vice versa. Now,
in twenty nineteen, there were about five hundred and sixty

(07:48):
six white victims of black assailants. Now, but it's also
worth recognizing too that a lot of the arrests that
the FBI records are of people who have committed multiple
violent crimes or homicides or whatever you're measuring. So that
doesn't necessarily mean that five hundred and sixty six black
people murdered a white person. It just means that they

(08:10):
were arrested for that crime. However, the numbers are still
the numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I'm going to get to those numbers again in just
a second, But here's the thing. What I want to
say right off the bat is it's kind of the
same response that I give to people who use the
thirteen fifty statistic to paint a picture that Black men
are generally violent. It's not true. The thing is, if
you run the numbers, it's less than one percent of

(08:36):
the entire Black population in America that actually commits any
violent crime, including homicide, assault, robbery, that type of deal.
So it really doesn't make sense to imply that violence
is an inherently Black thing, whether it's because of our
genetics or because of our or culture. You hear both.
Most people who make that argument will say that as oh,

(08:58):
it's black culture, black culture is violent. Well, if that
were true, then there would be a lot more than
less than one percent of the Black population that commits
violent crimes. So it doesn't really make sense to racialize
this the way that they want to. But I also
have to point out that when it comes to black
people killing white victims, that percentage is going to be

(09:19):
even less because the vast majority of black murderers or
people who commit homicide are victimizing other black people. By
and large, it's about ninety ninety one percent of black
murder victims, we're killed by other black people. Guess what
we want to know? What it is for white people.

(09:40):
I've seen between eighty to eighty three percent of white
victims of homicide were killed by other white people. The
rest were killed by black people, Hispanics, and other races.
So in reality, you're more likely to be killed by
somebody who looks like you than otherwise. But here's the
hypocrisy here, right. I mean, if you follow me for

(10:00):
a while, you already know where I'm going with this.
But let's go back to when Dylan Rufe went in
to that black church I believe in South Carolina and
murdered I think twelve black people. And we've seen other
shooters do this too. We've seen it in Jacksonville, Florida.
We've seen this in Buffalo, New York. What is the
typical response from white right wing influencers when this stuff

(10:22):
gets blown up?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Wow? What about black on black crime in Chicago?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
See, the point is is that we shouldn't care if
a racist mass shooter kills a bunch of black people
in one sitting, because black people are more likely to
be killed by other black people.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Let's flip that around for a second. Right.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
If the vast majority of white victims were killed by
other white people, why should we care if a black
person kills a white person, right? Why can't we flip
that logic around? They never apply that to themselves. It
doesn't make any sense. The hypocrisy is like abundant here.
But the reality is that anybody who loses their life
to murder matters. It doesn't matter what the races. If

(11:04):
a white person is killed by a black person, that's wrong.
That black person should go to prison. If a white
person kills a black person, that white person should go
to prison. If a white person kills a white person,
same thing, black person kills black person, same thing. Murder
is murder. When somebody loses their life to murder, it's
a tragedy. And the really sad thing about this is

(11:25):
that it's hard to talk about solutions when you have
people who want to racialize this on the left and
the right. It's not just the right who does this.
When we racialize this and we focus on the appearance
of the skin color of the person who commits the
crime and the skin color of the person who was
the victim of the crime, we're not able to actually

(11:46):
have conversations about dealing with this issue. I mean, during
the conversation, Crowder brought up Arena Zarutska, And for those
who don't know, she was a white woman from Ukraine
who was murder viciously murdered staff to death on a
subway in Charlotte, North Carolina by a black man, and
you had a lot of influencers on the right exploiting

(12:08):
her death to attack black people to make it appear
as if black people again are inherently violent. And one
of the black men and I'm not saying that Crowder
did this during the conversation. I'm not saying that, but
a lot of people did. And one of the black
men in the barbershop even said that guy didn't kill
Arena Zarutska because he was black. He did it because

(12:29):
he was crazy. The guy was an obvious nut job.
It had nothing to do with his skin color. And
also with the jacked up criminal justice system in cities
like Charlotte and elsewhere. We're gonna get to that in
a second, because we did because Crowder did talk about
criminal justice reform, and as a matter of fact, that's

(12:49):
where I'm going now. Crowder also made the point that
this guy had been released like fourteen times, and he
had committed other violent crimes. There is absolutely no way
this guy should have been out on the street, a
point that the black people in the barbershop agreed with,
by the way, you know, because the intimation is that

(13:10):
black people don't care about this stuff because they're going
to protect their own No, the black people in that
barbershop said, no, I would never have let that guy
go because the vast majority of black people wouldn't do that.
Crowder pointed out that one of the judges that let
him go was herself black, but he was released fourteen times.
It wasn't the same judge. It wasn't the same black judge.

(13:31):
There were judges of other races who also released them.
So there's really no way to insert a racial aspect
to this at all.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Really.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
But the idea here that criminal justice were formed by
cashless bail, ending, three strikes laws, a lot of things
that I actually agree with personally, and even a lot
of conservatives agree with somebody some of these policies, not
all of them. The idea was that bail reform and
sentencing changes is somehow poured gasoline on city streets. It's

(14:03):
like anytime somebody is not held before trial, that means
that they're just gonna wrekh havoc and that you have
to turn on the bat signal and Gotham and hope
that Batman gets them or something like that. However, this
isn't the case. But I'm gonna let you hear what
Stephen Crowder said on criminal justice reform here.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
That's why we've done systemic justice reform that has led
to more crime.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right, that's the reason for no three.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Strike policy, that's the reason for cashless fail, that's the
reason for catch and release, the reason for it in
the way because black lives matter. George Food right Summer
Love was we're going to reform crime. We're gonna reform
the justice system. And it's gotten worse everywhere it's been.
And then when white people leave those neighborhoods, well now
it's white flight. If they come in, its gentrification. And
I'm telling you there are a lot of people who
are pissed off and they're not gonna sit down and
have this conversation and be real about it. And they're going,
well what happens to mus I keep your mouth showed

(14:44):
about everything?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right, So you heard that.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
He's saying that the three strikes ending three strikes laws
in California, cashless bill, and other types of bell reform
caused the murder rate to skyrocket. Well, first off, the
crime rate has actually been going down and over the
past few years, contrary to what a lot of folks
on the right will tell you. Now it is still
much too high, and Democrats have made a very big

(15:07):
mistake about downplaying it just because crime is going down,
It's still a serious issue. But at the same time,
homicide murder is not skyrocketing. It's going down, but it
is just too high. So here's the thing. Is this
the result of criminal justice reform? Not according to the data.
So the Brennan Center and the University of Utah put

(15:30):
out multiple studies since twenty twenty that have compared cities
and states with and without these types of reforms, and
guess what, crime trended the same way in both cases.
The homicide spike that happened in twenty twenty, it hit
both types of cities, cities that had these reforms and
cities that did not. So realistically, saying that criminal justice

(15:53):
reform increases crime is ridiculous. A lot of people said
that about the First Step Act that Trump champion during
his first term. By the way, it just doesn't hold water. Now,
I'm not saying that there aren't cases where these policies
have gone wrong. I just talked about Arena Zerotzka's case.
That is a case where these types of policies went wrong.
But that does not necessarily mean that crime spikes happen

(16:15):
because you're not just locking up everybody that you can. Like,
that's just not a thing.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
This isn't to say that we don't need to be
careful about some of these policies. I mean, I'm as
I'm as big on criminal justice reform as the next guy,
but not to the detriment of allowing people who are
actually hurting other people to go free. When we're talking
about violent crime, property crime, theft, things like that, those

(16:41):
crimes still need to be punished appropriately. But when it
comes to issues like you know, drugs, the war on drugs,
a lot of that stuff needs to be thrown out
the window. And I won't go into that right now
because I can go on for hours about that. But
the idea is that these policies don't automatically make crime
rates go up. There are other factors that lead to that.

(17:02):
Another issue that Stephen Crowder brought up is related to
education right now, one of the biggest issues in the
Black community and really across Old Country. Our education system sucks.
I mean where we're turning out graduates who can barely
read at a sixth grade level. And this is regardless
of race. I mean, this affects white students, Hispanic students, Asians, blacks, everybody.

(17:24):
But it's a particularly pressing issue in black community. Is
because a lot of black students have to go to
substandard schools who don't really have what it takes to
give them the type of education that they need. But
here's the thing, here's another area where Stephen Crowder and
by the way, Stephen Crowder wasn't just speaking for himself.
His whole premise was that he's seeing a lot of

(17:46):
younger white people, the younger generation, who are becoming more
racist and we'll get to that too, who are becoming
more racist because of this idea of black fatigue and
all these things that are happening. You know, they perceive
that black people are getting all these special breaks from
the government because of Democrats. It ain't true, but that
is the perception, and I have seen people express that

(18:06):
those sentiments. So he's not wrong in saying that there
are a lot of white people who have grievances because
of the stuff. I'm just saying that the reasons for
these grievances are unfounded. So here's the thing. One of
the points that Crowder brought up is that black students
supposedly get more funding than whites.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Let's take a listen, and I don't know if you
know this.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Black students in this country get more spending for people
in white students. I don't know if you know. That's
a natural fact, even in impoverishighborhood pughublic funding. These were
the reparations that were asked of white people throughout each decade,
given and then we're told no, no, that's not.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
The real one.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
They were given, whether you'd like them or not, whether
you think they work or not. And by the way,
I think their dogshit. I think we should completely suspend
the federal Department Education. I think the Texas State could
do a much better job.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Okay, now, before getting into what Steven Crowder is saying here,
I'm going to just put this out there. I agree
with him one hundred percent on getting rid of the
Department of Education. There's absolutely no disagreement there that department
is trash and if any entity is going to govern education,
it should be the states, not the federal government. There
are plenty of issues with the federal Department of Education. However,

(19:14):
Crowder is making it sound like black students are getting
gold plated iPads and lobster tail school lunches because of
all this funding that black students are getting as opposed
to white students. Still not true. See the Urban Institute
and the Learning Policy Institute, who study this stuff for
a living. They tell a much different story. In schools

(19:36):
that serve mostly black and Hispanic kids, per pupil spending
is actually about two thousand dollars less than in majority
white schools. It's also worth noting that more money does
not automatically mean better learning. Pouring more dollars into a
broken system does not necessarily do much for education. Also,

(20:00):
we have to acknowledge that in most states, funding for
education comes from property taxes, right, you know, the taxes
that you pay to be able to have your home
that you own without the government and taking it. Yeah,
even if you paid off your home. If you don't
pay your property taxes, they will steal your home. Yeah,
those taxes, those property taxes, that's what goes towards education funding.

(20:22):
In lower income areas that are predominantly populated by black
and Hispanic residents, those property taxes aren't as high, which
means those schools get less funding. Even when you take
into account extra funding given from the state and from
the federal government, it still doesn't equal out. You still
have that disparity per pupil. So that point isn't quite right.

(20:42):
But again, if you're a young white person and somebody's
telling you this and you don't check it out, and
you believe this, you might think that white students are
being treated treated unfairly. The reality is that in America,
our whole education system needs an overhaul because even in
areas that are getting more funding, you're not getting much

(21:02):
better results unless you're in a very wealthy area or
you're able to send your kids to private school or homeschool.
That's where you're actually getting the better, the higher quality education. Next,
we're going to talk about everybody's favorite thing d e I.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Diversity, equity and inclusion.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now, this is always a hot button issue, especially on
the right. Every time a plane crashes, it's because of DEI.
Every time you stub your toe is because of DEI.
That that's how it works. And a lot of right
wing influencers, you know, really hammer on this, especially when
it comes to higher education. So Stephen Crowder goes into

(21:49):
this issue and talking about how white students are being
passed over for black students.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
And what I mean by that is, if we're trying
to understand it, you said the power in all those institutions,
what if, for example, but we have an entire generation
of people, young white men, women, who if they apply
to a college or apply to a job, they don't
have a grant. There's no pel grant, there's no type
of subsidy, there's no dee insieve as a matter of fact,
they're likely to be passed over.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
They hold men.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
So here's the thing about DEI. You know, whether you're
talking about in employment or in hiring or in college admissions,
here's the truth. I mean, the narrative is that you know,
a bunch of unqualified black students are getting into these
colleges and they're not able to add up, and then
they go out and get jobs because of DEI that

(22:30):
they're not qualified for because companies like to hire people
who can't do the job because as long as a
person isn't white. But the thing is is that this
narrative isn't quite true. There's some nuanced truth to it.
I'm not going to say that it's never happened that
unqualified black people or Hispanics or what have you have

(22:54):
been enrolled when they probably shouldn't have. That has been
I'm not convinced that it's as widespread as people on
the right say it is, and they have never really
even provided evidence of this. But anyway, let's go ahead
and go on here. The thing is, if you look
at the National Bureau of Economic Researches analysis on this

(23:15):
and the history of DEI, you're gonna see that it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Really help black people.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
It helps white women, It doesn't help black students, it
doesn't help Hispanic students. The biggest beneficiaries of DEI, whether
it relates to college admissions or getting jobs, employment promotions,
things like that, the biggest beneficiaries are white women. It
ain't black people. So the notion that I mean, the

(23:45):
thing is if young white people are mad about this
they don't need to be mad at us. They need
to be mad at their women. It's their women who
are supposedly taking their jobs. But realistically that's not even
as much of a thing as they would have to think.
Plenty of white I mean, the unemployment rate for white
Americans is far lower than it is for Black Americans,
Hispanic Americans, and YadA, YadA, YadA. Let's also not forget

(24:08):
that when we're talking about elite colleges like Harvard and
all those, you know, it's the ultimate admission boosters are
not race, but legacy. A lot of white students get
into these colleges because they are the children of people
who went there, or the children of high profile individuals. Now,

(24:30):
I'm not saying that that means that they're unqualified. They
might be, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot
of white students who got into Harvard that probably didn't
need to be there just because they were born to
the right parents, right, I mean, let's just be real
that happens. So am I a fan of DEI not really,
but not for the same reasons.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I mean, I don't have a problem with diversity. I
don't have a problem with inclusion.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I have issues with the equity part of that because
that tends to mean something that the Left doesn't say
it means. But it also has been used in a
way that is divisive in the workplace and in elsewhere.
A lot of these DEI trainings, not all of them,
but a lot of these DEI trainings have been used
to place a wedge between minorities and white people by

(25:17):
casting white people as the villains, minorities as as the victims,
and you know, they just kind of creates that tension.
That's why I have issues with DEI. It's not because
you're going to hire our rocket scientists who doesn't even
have education in rocket science, right that that's not happening
and by and large, but if you want to prove

(25:37):
me wrong, go ahead and try show me some stats.
Don't show me that these companies are by are hiring
tons and tons of black people and LGBTQ people that
aren't qualified for the job, and that they're their job,
they're their companies are suffering from it. You're not going
to be able to because I've already looked. I wanted
to disprove my own premise and I couldn't. So that's
that's but that again, this is another wedge issue that

(26:01):
media on the right and the left us to divide Americans.
There's a common through line with everything that I'm talking
about here and its division and trying to and trying
to diminish any unit unity that we might have left. Next,
we're going to talk about the police. We love the police, right,

(26:22):
I love the police. Sting was a great singer. I
love their music, great music, every breath you take, all
that stuff. Yeah, that's the police I'm talking about, as
far as the ones that I like, not the police
that Crowder is talking about here. So there's always been
a debate over how police treat black Americans versus white Americans,

(26:43):
and these conversations are very are very contentious, but they're
also very nuanced. The reason why they're so contentious is
because nobody wants to be nuanced about it. So I'm
gonna let you hear what Crowder had to say about it,
because he cites a study from a professor named Roland
Friar from Harvard which became a very controversial study. So

(27:04):
I'll let him talk about it.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
We look at Roland Friar from Harvard who conducted Black Guy,
Black professor, really respectful guy, honorable man conducted a study
and he came out he said, yeah, all of my
research says that black men are zero percent more likely
to be shot by police officers and whites.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Black people got so mad at him.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
He reconducted the study of black man from Harvard and
he came to the same conclusion.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And now he's not black enough.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
So I'll say from the get go that Crowder is right.
Roland Fryar's study did show that when it comes to
fatal police shootings black people, black victims are not more
likely likely to experience that than white victims. And honestly,
this is one of the reasons why when I talk
about police brutality and disparities between how black people and

(27:47):
white people are treated by the police, I don't always
bring up shootings because one that's again that's.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
A lot more nuanced.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
There's a lot of situations where the police officer gets
attacked and they have to you. There are situations where
the black person's unarmed and not a threat and the
officer chooses to shoot. We also have situations like Daniel
Shaver or Ryan Whittiger, white people who were murdered, murdered
by police as well. So the thing is, the other
issue is that when we only talk about shootings, that

(28:18):
really diminishes the actual issue. Police brutality. Police misconduct goes
far beyond shootings.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I get that those are the sexy news stories that
we hear about and that people will protest and march
for and debate on the airwaves and interwebs about. But
police brutality also involves officers abusing their authority, getting violent
with people when they don't have to, even if the
encounter is not fatal. There's something that Stephen Crowder left

(28:47):
out about Rolling Fire study. He talked about the part
involving police shootings, but he left out the instances in
which police officers abuse people as far as getting violent,
pushing people up against the cars, punching them, beating them
when they're not resisting or they're not a threat. So
here's the rest of what Friar was talking about. And

(29:10):
by the way he did, rollan Fire did get into
a lot of trouble for the study. And it's funny
because on the right they usually leave out what I'm
about to talk about. On the left they attack him
for his findings on police shootings. But they will talk
about other instances of non lethal force. So on non
lethal uses of force, Blacks and Hispanics are more than

(29:32):
fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force
in interactions with police. And this is true even when
you control for the behavior of the civilian, like people
resisting things like that. He's talking about instances where people
aren't resisting, where they are not a threat, and they
are still more likely to be touched or pushed or beaten, handcuffed,

(29:55):
pepper sprayed, or struck with batons. Even among people who
were compliant and weren't even arrested, Black people were still
twenty five percent more likely than whites to have physical
force used on them. So there is a racial disparity
in that aspect. So that's why I say that when

(30:16):
we talk about law enforcement, we need to back up
and take a more holistic view of this. And I'm
not even talking about practices like civil asset forfeiture, where
a law enforcement can literally steal your property without convicting
you of a crime or even charging you with a crime.
They don't even even have to arrest you. This happens

(30:36):
way more to black people and Hispanics than it does
to white people. I've written countless articles on this, Like
if you get pulled over by a police officer and
let's say you have five hundred dollars in cash, all
the officer has to say is I think that money
was used in a drug deal. I'm going to steal
that and then it's going to go to the police
department and good luck getting it back, because navigating that

(30:58):
system requires attorneys in a lot of cases who are
more expensive than the value of the property. They don't
just steal cash. They will steal your car, they will
steal your house, anything that they can say has been
used to commit a crime without even having to prove it.
More on that later. I again, that's another topic where
I can go for hours about. But again, when Stephen

(31:23):
Stephen cryer, that was I did not do that on purpose.
I wish I kind of wish I had though. Anyway,
Stephen Crowder was right in his assertion, but he was incomplete.
And it's important that we have all the facts. I mean,
if you're going to sit down and have a conversation
with people about these issues, you've got to be willing

(31:43):
to acknowledge things that may go against your your preferred narrative.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Maybe Steven Crowder didn't know about that part. Maybe he
didn't read the whole study, or maybe he didn't read
up on the articles that were written by the study
and he just saw that one part. I can give
him the benefit of the doubt. He should have done
his do diligence if that's the case, though, anyway, let's
go let's go on now. The last point that Crowder
made that I'm gonna that I'm gonna address, which he

(32:09):
made other points too. I mean, if you want to
watch the video you can. I mean that there's a
lot of things that they talked about, and I know
he's going to be releasing part two soon, so it'll
be interesting to see how that goes. I may do
another episode on this. But the last point that I
want to cover is a notion that white people are silenced.
They're not able to talk about issues related to the

(32:30):
black community. They're not able to directly criticize black people,
or they're not even allowed to talk about anything that
could be construed as involving black people. Let's let's go
ahead and hear what Crowder has to say. What I'm
saying is black fatigue is white people going. You know what,
I know I'm not racist movie, and I know that
we're dealing with record crumb, and I know that I'm
more at risk and they have negative interactions and they're

(32:50):
constantly told that they're not allowed to voice their opinion
because they're white. And if those people get pissed off, like,
that's where we actually could end up with.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Some kind of I'm telling you, I see this ruin.
I see people were milk.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Toast whites of verb who are becoming actually racist. Now
not all of them, but I've seen people actually become
racist because they get plugged, their store gets fluted, and
nothing gets done to going and if I say something,
it's turned into a race.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm telling you what. That's where it's coming from.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Okay, So right off the bat, he says white people
are being killed in record numbers right now. Now, I
don't think that's true because crime is going down, but
let's say it is. That would mean that white people
are being killed in record numbers by other white people.
It's not black people doing this to you. As I
said before, white victims are far more likely to be

(33:34):
killed by other white people. There's no reason to be
blaming black people for this, because if that disparity didn't exist,
white people would still be killing white people. That's what
we should be caring about. Anybody who was a victim
of murder, regardless of race, and regardless of the race
of the suspect, that should be an issue. Instead, again,
people are racializing it. And again, I'll say again that

(33:56):
Crowder is talking about what a lot of white youth
are thinking. I'll say a lot of white right leaning youth,
because I'm not hearing this come from the left really.
But the problem is, again, this isn't about black people
in the way that a lot of influencers want to
make it. But the idea that white people can't talk

(34:19):
about these things just seems to be a little ridiculous.
I mean, if you even if you just you don't
even need to look up data on this, you can
just kind of think about what he's saying and understand
that he's wrong. Stephen Crowder is saying this before a
group of black people who are having a conversation with them.

(34:39):
I didn't hear anybody call him races in that conversation.
Maybe that'll be in the second episode. I don't know
that the second half, nobody called him racist. Now, they
definitely disagreed with him, and they disagreed with him vigorously,
which is what we should be doing. We should be
having these conversations. Not a single person in that barbershop
laid a finger on him. So the thing, the idea

(35:01):
that people can't say what they want. Crowder said what
he felt. Prouder, you know, he was honest about how
he felt and about how he perceives what young white
people are hearing and their attitudes. Commentators like Ben Shapiro
and a lot of others have spent hours upon hours
talking about black crime or even crime in general that
involves black people. They say it all the time. If

(35:24):
you don't believe me, go on X right now. You
don't have to even have to look at Crowder or
Ben Shapiro. Just go on X for a few minutes
and put in black crime. There are people white people
talking about it. Nobody is calling for the government to
come in and throw them in a cage because they
said some stuff that they didn't like. Now, societally people
might disagree with it, but guess what, White people who

(35:46):
want to criticize black people have the right to free speech.
People who want to criticize those folks for what they
say about black people also have free speech. That's how
free speech works. That's why it's such a beautiful thing.
So I and I'll also I'll try I'm gonna try
to be fair here. I know, cancel culture is a thing.

(36:07):
There have been people who have lost their jobs because
they said something online that people didn't like. In a
lot of those cases, these people did say legitimately racist stuff.
And there are people who say legitimately racist stuff about
white people, and I don't see a lot of them
losing their jobs, or if it happens, it's not reporting

(36:28):
on as much. I mean, I can't remember. I think
it was a Washington Post. Some Asian chick was saying
some stuff about white people. I think recently, maybe like
a year or two ago, there was a black professor
who said some stuff about white people got fired. But
it's happened in the other direction as well. The bottom
line is, you have the right to say what you want.
The company that employs you has the right to associate

(36:51):
with you or to disassociate from you if they don't
want to, if they don't want somebody working for them
who doesn't reflect their values, They're going to fire them.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
My day job, I work for a conservative outlet.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Imagine what happened to me if I got on Twitter
and I'm like, oh, I hate white people, White people suck,
blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You think I would be employed much longer. Probably not.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
If I own a company and one of my employees
started talking about how horrible black people are or how
horrible white people.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Are, I'm going to fire them. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I don't want somebody working for me who doesn't share
my values. And people they have the right to choose
what to do with their property, whether it's a venue,
whether it's a company. They have the right to do that.
You may agree with it, you may disagree with it.
I honestly don't care. There are instances where people say
things that are not racist and then they still get fired.

(37:46):
That is a problem that does happen. So that's an issue.
But still I'm still seeing a lot of white people
talking about black people on X and other platforms. All
these videos that they show of black men being I
like to call it black man bad porn because the
people who disseminate this stuff, I think they have a problem.
They just love to see black people fighting. It's weird

(38:09):
to me, It doesn't make any sense. Maybe they have
some weird fetish that they need to seek some help for.
But the problem is that they do that and the
the intent is to portray black people is violent. Well,
guess what some people aren't going to like that. They're
going to call that racist. And honestly, people, you guys
whining about this being called racist when you're actually saying

(38:32):
racist shit, I'm sorry, like you sound like something I
can't say right now. Like, let's just it starts with
the P and n's with the why, and it's just
it's it's kind of pathetic. If you're going to say
these things, then stand behind it, back it up. Don't
whine when you get criticized. It's ridiculous. Now for the

(38:52):
people who are going to try to get these people fired,
that's also wrong. But at the same time, if you're
saying this stuff, you know that that could happen. You
know what you're getting into. You don't have the right
to have whatever job you want and be able to
say what you want. That's just the way it is.
Go work for a company that is okay with that,
Go work for gab, Go go see if you can

(39:14):
get a job from Andrew Torba that He's perfectly fine
with that. But the idea is one thing I will
say as I'm getting to the end here. People should
say how they feel. And I don't like, you know,
people using the mob to go after people and they
disagree with them. I don't think that people should be

(39:39):
docked for saying things that people don't like. That happens
on both sides. That is an issue that we have
to deal with. But again, is this black people's fault?
By and large? Is this black people doing this? Yeah,
I'm sure some are. But honestly, if you're a white conservative,
the people who are doing these things to you look

(39:59):
like you. They just happen to have purple hair or whatever.
I mean, that's just the way it works. White progressives
are your biggest enemy, not black people. Like honestly, most
black people are just trying to make ends meet. We're
just trying to go through our everyday lives and do
our things, just like most white people are. So to me,
you're focusing on the wrong enemy. But this is where

(40:22):
I'm going to transition into what this all adds up
to for me, here's something that we that we just
don't talk about enough. I've been shouting this from the rooftops.
I know other people have too, But when we talk
about race relations, we have to understand what's happening here.

(40:42):
We have to stop falling for the psyop. And far
too many of us are black, white, Hispanic, left right, Democrat, Republican, populist,
lgbt Q, straight CIS or whatever you want to call it.
I don't care. We're all falling for this. Here's the thing.
A lot of white people are trying to make ends

(41:05):
meeting there. There are a lot of white people living in poverty,
having trouble getting jobs, dealing with inflation. Who's doing this
to you? I mean, who are the ones that are
taxing you to death, driving up grocery prices? Who is
doing that to you? Who is trying to actually throw

(41:25):
you in a cage for the things that you say
or the things that you believe. If you were targeted
as a Catholic by the FBI, who wanted to spy
on you, who did that to you, who labeled you
domestic terrorists just because you showed up at city council
meetings and school board meetings to you know, express concern
about what your children.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Are being taught.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Who is practicing legalized kidnapping of children under false allegations
of child abuse, tearing families apart. Who is sending your
kids to die in unnecessary, unnecessary wars for a corporate
profit while they call it spreading democracy. Who is stealing
money out of your paycheck twice a month. Who is

(42:08):
making you pay protection money just to be able to
live in your home on land that you own. Who
is dumbing down your children. I'm gonna give you a hint.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's not black people.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I promise we're not doing this to you. I've never done.
As a matter of fact, I stand against it. It's
not black people who are doing this, and I'm not
even gonna say it's white people. It's the government now.
Most of the people who run the government, and also
other institutions like the media, education, academia, entertainment, most of
them are white. And if you're gonna come at me

(42:42):
with the jew stuff, don't even just turn off this video.
Please go away. I don't want you to lower my IQ.
I don't want you to affect my intellect with your retardation.
It's white people who run these things. But guess what,
here's something that Crowder said that I one hundred percent
agree with. Most white people don't have institutional power.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yes, most of the people that run these institutions happen
to be white. But they don't represent you, do they
They don't represent you. They never have, they never will.
They're not there to represent you. They're there to grow fat, wealthy,
and comfortable at your expense and at our expense. So
when I'm talking about the enemy that we have, it's

(43:21):
not really about skin color, because even though it's mostly
white people who run these institutions, there are black people involved.
There are Hispanics involved, there are Asians involved. It's the government, stupid.
It's the government and the elites who run it. It's
the media, it's all of these institutions that are run

(43:44):
by the elites. And what is their biggest weapon against us?
Because we're letting them do it. Don't make a mistake.
They're not doing this against our will. We are allowing
them to do it. And the way they're doing it
is by dividing us, by racializing everything. There are situations
where race is relevant I'm not saying that that's not
the case. That there are times when you know race

(44:05):
is a factor. That the black guy who drove his
truck through a crowd of white people during Christmas, I
believe that was in Wisconsin a couple of years ago.
In that instance, it's appropriate to mention race because race
had something to do with it. The guy who shot
up a bunch of Hispanics out of Walmart in Texas
did it because he was white and he hated Hispanics,
then it makes sense to mention it. And there are

(44:27):
other instances where race might be relevant. But in most
I would say in most of what I've seen as
far as political discussions go, race doesn't have much to
do with it. It's about government corruption. But they use
race and other issues to divide us. That is the
most powerful weapon they can use against us. And it's

(44:49):
not just the institutions, it's the people who help them,
social media influencers, politicians, so called journalists, commentator people who
are responsible for molding opinions. Murray Rothbard referred to them
as the opinion molders. They keep us divided because if
we were to unite, if the average black person were

(45:13):
to unite with the average white person. I don't care
if it if it's a regnet from Appalachia, if they
were to sit down and talk, they would realize that
they have far more in common than indifference. And in
this way, by putting each other, and in this way,
by putting us at each other, and in this way,

(45:34):
by putting us at each other's throats, they can pick
our pockets while we're trying to focus on what the
white man is doing or what black people are doing.
And unfortunately, a lot of talking heads, a lot of influencers,
they play into this. Some of them are doing it
on purpose, some of them are doing it because they're
also falling for the psyop. But the impact is the same.

(45:56):
We are being led to be afraid of one another,
which leads to Hay eight, which leads to all kinds
of horrible things. I believe it was Master Yoda who
teaches us that leads Fear leads to anger, Anger leads
to hate, Hate leads to suffering. I think right now
we're in the hate stage of that, or I would
say we're getting to the hate stage. I'm not going

(46:17):
to say we're all the way there yet, We're probably
still in the anger stage right now. But it's not
gonna get any better if we don't do something about this,
if we don't change the way that we think about
the issues, if we don't change the way that we
look at things. We are far too hyper partisan. We
look at things through the lens of left and right.
We don't look at things through the left of right

(46:38):
and wrong. And until that changes, it's gonna get worse.
It's just gonna get I mean, we just saw Charlie
Kirk get assassinated last month. That is a boiling point.
And I did a video on that, I did a
podcast episode about that. I think that we cross rubicon there.
But I mean there's something that it's up to us.
I mean, we can't expect somebody to rescue us in

(47:00):
a politician isn't going to save us. So here is
your mission, should you choose to accept it. Refuse to
let Twitter become real life. Don't allow your real life
to look more like what's on the internet. You probably
have already experienced this. When you go out to the

(47:20):
supermarket or you go out to an event or whatever,
you generally see people of all different backgrounds and getting along.
Twitter has not become real life yet, but sometimes it
does seep into real life, like what happened with Charlie Kirk.
That was an example of how this online culture leeds

(47:40):
into real life with disastrous consequences. To Crowder's point about
young white people becoming more racist, if that is happening,
it's not because of black fatigue. It's not because of
black people. We're not doing this to them. You know
who is doing it? People online who are radicalizing others.

(48:03):
This applies to influencers, This applies to even more shady characters.
Anytime you see a young white people or a young
white person carry out a mass shooting, it's because they're
radicalized online. Whether they're on the right, like Dylan Roof,
or whether they're more on the left like the person
who shot Charlie Kirk or the person who sought shot
up Annunciation High School or I'm sorry, Annunciation Catholic School.

(48:26):
They're always getting radicalized online. Black people aren't going to
their neighborhoods and say, hey, we hate you, we're gonna
beat you up. Oh, don't shoot us. That's just that's
not happening. What is happening is that there are forces
in this country who are deeply invested in keeping us
at each other's throats, and people are falling for it.

(48:46):
So if Crowder is right, and you're going to turn
out a generation that is more racist than the last,
I would blame our institutions before I would blame an ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
That's stupid.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
It doesn't even make sense. And the sooner we realize that,
the better off that we will be. While the elites
want us fighting about pronouns, we should be actually seeking
seeking ways to come together. We should be waking up
to the reality that we're all getting screwed. We're all
getting screwed. It's a very small select group of people

(49:21):
who aren't getting screwed in some way, and those are
the people doing the screwing. So until that changes, we're
gonna be headed towards something that none of us want
to experience. So I would urge you to maybe just
take a different look at things. You may not agree
with everything that I said in this episode, that's fine.

(49:41):
We can have these conversations. I can have these conversations
in a civil manner. I don't care if you disagree
with me. That's fine. If you don't get anything else
from what I just said, get this point. There are
people out there. If you're a young white person, there
are people out there who want you to hate me
and to fear me because my skin is darker than yours.

(50:02):
That happens on the other end too. People on the
left want people like me to believe that there's a
white KKK member behind every tree who wants to lend me.
Both of them are lying to you. We can talk
about these issues without hating each other. We might get angry,
we might get heated. That's fine. As long as we're
able to talk, that's when we can start moving forward.

(50:22):
And I am glad that Stephen Crowder actually did go
to the barbershop because it gave people a chance to
see that conversation. It gave people like me a chance
to respond to it. Even though I disagreed with what
most of what Crowder said, at least he had the conversation,
and to me, that's the kind of thing that's going
to move us forward. Don't look at the issues in

(50:42):
terms of what your tribe or what your political party
wants you to think. Think for yourself, do your own research.
If somebody says makes a claim, take it with a
grain of salt. Even if you trust him, take it
with a grain of salt. Do your own research, and
actually talk to the people who you're being encouraged to hate.
You're gonna find out that they're not nearly as bad

(51:03):
as what you've been told. And I'm gonna go ahead
and leave it there. Thanks for listening.