The One with an interview w/ Actor Ed Gonzalez Moreno

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All right, everybody, how's itgoing out there? How you guys doing
out there? Back when? Otherepisode a hefty podcast here with actor Ed
Gonzalez moreno moreno. How do yousay? How do you pronounce it?
I like to I like to say, like the like the bordiquas du so
moreno moreno. There you go.I figured that. I just want Yeah,

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so how you doing? Man?How's life? I'm good man,
life is life is interesting as always, man, But I'm solid. Yeah,
yeah, everybody mean that's what's goingon right now? Yeah, Well,
it's uh, you know, sometimesit's a it's an unpredictable life.
Like I'm in Indianapolis right now doingthe show, and that's that. Yeah,

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Like a month ago, I didn'tI didn't know that I'd be spending
like most of my summer and Indianapolis. So it's it's always interesting. There's
always like and then earlier I wasin Chicago doing a gig, so like
it's just you know, it's neverplanned. Sometimes it happens like within a
week. I think Chicago happened withina week. This happened within a week,
So like, you know, oneweek just chilling trying to what's what's
happening and the next week I'm inanother city. So it's interesting, but

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it's exciting. It's actually pretty nice. Man. It's hot, like today
it was like eighty eight degrees.I mean it's been up in like the
mid nineties. But like it's it'suh, it's I like it because it's
not like the East Coast. Likethe East Coast it gets humid and sticky
and nasty. But like it's mynext question because it's damn muggy today and
it's really hot, sticky, youknow, it's real nasty stuff. I

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hate this. Mother. Yeah,I don't like the mugginess. I don't,
but but the muggyness doesn't exist here, like it's just dry heat.
Yeah. Yeah, man, soI like it. I just actually I
went for a run just now beforebefore I jumped into this podcast. So
yeah, I think it's great.Let's see you working on man, you
got are you working on role oris it just that's your lifetile you just

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want to work out and live thegood lifestyle, a better lifestyle. Yeah,
I think it's just my lifestyle.Man. I really enjoy it,
Like it helps me, like Ithink, like mental health wise, Like
it's just really good. Like,you know, going for a run makes
me feel amazing, going for alift makes me amazing. I like to
feel good look good. So it'snot for a specific role or anything.
Yeah, it's just just because Ilike to. Have you been in a

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Have you been played in a rolethat as ask that of you until you
not necessarily gain weight for either?Yeah? Not yet, not yet.
But I mean I have had roleswhere it's like where I wanted to personally
like look really good because like Iknew I was gonna be like shirtless or
whatever. So I think I didan indie movie like in twenty nineteen where

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it was like I knew I wasgoing to be like butt ass naked.
So I was just like, youknow what, like was already, you're
just a full question I was gonnaask later on. I saw the movie.
Yeah, it's good. I wassolid. Yeah, I love it.
We'll get to a little bit.Okay, we'll get a little bit

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later because I have a whole pitchto note about it. I watched the
whole thing. It was it wasgood. Oh how's the fan doing everything?
The fam is good? Man?Like I live in New York right
now, I live with my fianceand we have a dog. And that's
about it. That's my family.I have family back in Connecticut too that
I check up on every now andthen. But right now, you know,
just just a little family, justme and my fiance and dog.

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That's awesome. It's awesome. Howdid you get into the acting. But
before we even get into that,I don't know because I was right,
was from New Britain, I wantto raise right or am I wrong?
No? Born and raised? Yeah, I was born in New Britain General
Hospital, I think, But yeah, born and raised there. I lived
in Hartford for a little bit mostYeah, yeah, we worked together for

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a little bit. That's right.Man. This was years ago once,
say two thousand and nine or something. Good will. Yeah, man,
I was in high school. Iremember, remember. I remember we worked
in the back room taking all donationsin and you wanted to be It was
tough about because I used to havea radio show back in the day,

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right time. That's right. Theonly question I have for that, that's
that's old. That's old. Butthe only question I have for that is
do you remember you remember the name? I suggested for you to reper name?
What is it? Wasn't it.I think it was ill lyrical,
right, Yeah, well it's awesomeremember that, man. I think I

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think that I had like a verysmall like endeavor into rap and like that
was part of it. But likewhen I got to college too, I
was like, my my roommate didbeats and we made like one song.
So like they like I remember alot of that, and I was like,
okay when I got a name,but yeah, no, I I
can't. I can't forget that atall because I had a conversation with somebody
about it where I was like,yeah, I used to wrap and I

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was trying to go buy like afew different names. One of them was
was ill lyrical. Yeah that's hilarious, man, I was. I don't
know if he remembers that because you'reso young. That was such a long
time ago. Yeah it was likeyesterday though, yeah it does. So
after that is when you went onto c CSU. Right, you went
to college. Yeah, you foundyour love you knew you always wanted to

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do. I kind of, oh, no, it's okay. I kind
of just took a shot in thedark. Man I. I I always
like really loved movies like that waslike that was my love language with like,
uh, you know some of myfavorite people, like my aunt,
I remember my dpgs. She likewe would just always watch movies. We

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would go to the movie theaters.We would watch movies in her house.
I remember like before streaming, wheneveryone had like those racks of deepat like
that was like my place. Yeah, when I was living in my pleasant
projects and like, you know,I just I've always loved movies, and
I was like, I want todo this. I just didn't know how
to do it. And then andthen once I graduated high school, didn't

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I didn't know what I wanted todo. But I was like, I
know, I want to like goto college. I know I want to
like try and like do something.And then I was like, oh bet
you can like major in theater,which is acting, so like I think
that's how you do it. Solike I didn't know anything, man,
I really just like took a chanceand then just kind of like stumbled my
way into it. And so Imean they had a program, but it's
not like I was just like Iwant to go to their program. I

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was like, I want to goto college. They have a program,
Let's do it. Let's see whathappens. Yeah. Yeah, did you
think you would get this far intoacting when you first started out? Or
it was just I not initially manlike I had I had a lot of
doubts just because you know, Igrew up in the project, so like
I wasn't like I wasn't like,oh, like I know how to do

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it. I know, and youknow, I also like there was like
aesthetic things too, Like I waslike, I'm too ugly to be like
in movies and ship like that.I was a kid, I was,
you know, I was I wasa you know, a little chubby kid
that people picked on. So Ifelt like, you know, I didn't
have like the looks for it.But then then I was just like,
you know what, fuck it,like let me just try. Yeah yeah,

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so yeah, you know Zach DathanAcus is ugly dude, but he's
hilarious. Man. There's there's aguy. Yeah yes, yeah, yeah,
I think you know, I justhad a misconception about what it is,
right because I thought I was like, Okay, you have to be
good looking, and like, youknow, you also like kind of have
to be white, right, likeI like or white or like you know,

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be like the one or two blackpeople at the time who were who
were like really getting gigs. Soat first I just had I didn't have
the most confidence in it, butI was like, let me see what
happens. I don't know what elseI'm doing with my life, so let
me try. What do I haveto lose? No, you never know,
man. And then from there,I see you move to sant France.

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How's living in San Francisco, Man, How did you live there?
Yeah? I live. So Ilived in the general Bay Area for like,
I lived in San Francisco, butI lived so the Bay areas.
It's kind of like it's kind oflike the Five Boroughs of New York,
right, There's like there's San Francisco, which is like Manhattan. There's Oakland,
which is like Brooklyn. There's Berkeley, which is kind of like,
I don't know, like Queens.So it's very similar. So I lived
in Oakland first, which is justacross the bridge from the Bay. Love

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Oakland, like, I have alot of love for Oakland. Lived there
for like a year, and thenI lived in Berkeley. Yeah hopefully,
it's amazing. And then I livedin San Francisco for like a year and
a half. I fucking San Franciscois like one of my favorite cities.
A lot of great history. It'sa beautiful city. Now it kind of
sucks because of like all the fenceand on the homelessniths and stuff, but

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like it's an amazing city. Man. Like when I got there, like
things were still kind of like beforethe pandemic. Things were kind of like
you know, they were shaky,but like it was manageable, and I
just I fell in love. Man. I fell in love, like with
myself there, I fell in lovewith the people there. I fell in
love with just everything. Man.San Francisco was like, yeah, it
was one of the greatest experiences I'veever had. Man, it's a great

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city. When you went out there, it was just like by yourself,
or you had a group of peopleyou went with, or you just looked
up with someone. I had agirlfriend at this time. Chances yeah,
well that's that's part of it.I was just like, let me move
to California, let me get closerto where the thing is. Let me
go to the Bay because like Istill need to figure out like like I
had dropped out of school at thetime because I was like I don't want

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to. Like the program kind offell through. There was a lot of
shit happening, and I was like, you know what, I don't I
don't need this anymore. Like Ihave the confidence now I'm just going to
go do it. And I waslike, but I have to like gain
experience first, because I didn't wantto just go to l A. I
was like, the Bay has somestuff going on, let me go there.
My girlfriend at the time was alsotrying to go out there to go
to a school. So we werelike, fuck it, let's do it.

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And we we drove out there,we drove to California and then you
know, we didn't work out,but you know, she was able to
go to get into the school thatshe wanted to and I was able to
get what I wanted out of it. So worked out for both of us.
Oh oh yeah, man. Whenthere, how do you know about
what this agent? How do youjust go about it? Or it's just

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like posted somewhere like an app orsomething to figure out, Okay, they're
looking for this type of thing.Yeah, do that or it's that it's
that. Yeah, I didn't haveI didn't have an agent at first,
you kind of I mean honestly,like doing this career like at first really
teaches you how to hustle, andI think it really like weeds out the
people who really want it and whoreally don't because you kind of do have

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the scrap for it. Like therethere were luckily, like we live in
such a modern age where it's alittle easier as opposed to like maybe like
twenty thirty years ago where it wasmuch different. But like there was a
there was Backstage, which was awhich was a casting website where you can
like find like you know, studentet cetera. And there was self Casting,
which was another website for casting whereyou can find other like theater auditions

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and stuff. And that's how itstarted to like get to know the people
in the theater and then eventually likeyou would just they would just reach out
to you and say, hey,we'd love you to come in read for
this potentially getting cast. So likeit was just a lot of hust networking
at first really just starting off likenothing and then eventually getting representation, but
like that you kind of have toearn that. Like when you get an

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agent, like you kind of haveto reach out to them and they'll be
like, well, what do youbring to the table, like can we
market you? And so you reallyhave to like scrap something together first.
So it was the websites. Itwas it was just me just hustling and
just like figuring it out as Ias I went along. Yeah, yeah,
what do you feel like was yourfirst like moment we were like,
yeah, this is this is it. I'm in it now. I'm only

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thing to do from here is goforward, like and just kill it.
That's a good I mean, Ithink I had that feeling in college first,
Like when I got to college,like really got cast in the show,
Like I mean, you know,this is small fish, but like
at the time it was the biggestthing that ever happened to me. But
I got cast on like the show, and I was like the only freshman
to get cast in the show,and like I felt really good about it,

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Like there was a lot of greatfeedback. I was like I got
really emotional because I was like,oh shit, like you know, went
from like you know what, I'lltry this to like oh, this can
actually go somewhere. So I thinkit was in college, but like when
I got to the real world,and I mean real world, like you
know, I guess like professional world. When I got to San Francisco,
I got cast within the first fewmonths in the show at this theater called

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New Conservatory Theater Center. Like itwas my first professional gig. You know,
they paid me. It was onlylike thirteen hundred dollars for like a
month and a half of work,but like, you know, thirteen hundred
dollars to like a twenty one yearold at the time, it was hell
of money. I was just like, you're gonna pay me just to do
this, So like that was reallycool. So I think it was.
I think like professionally it was there. And then that's when like people like

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in the community started to like knowwho I was, because I was like,
you know, it was this randomkid from from from the East Coast
that that was infiltrating this community,and you know, everyone knew each other.
People were working there for years andI just came in. I was
just like, hey, I'm here, and that's that's where I felt like
I like arrived quote unquote, Wellthat's awesome. Man. You've been a

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lot of shows so far. What'sbeen your favorite show you've been a part
of so far? I know thisthis is a long Yeah, yeah,
Equalizer, that's right there, Ibelieve. Yeah, what's your favorite,
I'd say probably TV. I'd sayChicago PD That was like my biggest like

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booking yet. That was like itwas like, I mean there's like there's
like the way they classified is weird. There's like co stars, and then
there's like a guest star, whichis a little higher than a co star.
It's also higher on the pay scaletoo, and then there's like and
then there's like featured guest star andthen like featured co star. But I
think i'd probably say Chicago p D. One. That was like the strike

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happened last year, which was whichwas really tough on me because it was
like, Okay, I can't worknow. But like when the strike was
over, I booked the Equalizer butthen I booked Chicago p D afterwards,
and like I booked that within likethe span of two months, so like
one it was really good because Iwas like, Okay, the strike is
over and it's like I'm working again. So that was really good and it
was it was a really big gigfroll out. The Chicago was there for

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like two weeks. Man. Itwas amazing experience and just working with something
like some really like heavy hitters,Like the executive producer was directing that it
was just it was just really coolto interact with with folks. So I'd
say that for TV. Actually,no, I take that back. I
take Chicago ped was dope, ButI got booked on this show that unfortunately
got canceled. It was East NewYork and it was only one scene.

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I was only there for. Iwas only booked for one day. But
like, I feel like that's likemy best work on screen, and like
I feel like, you know,I earned folks respect there, and like
that's my personal favorite like work.And it's it's it's one scene. It's
like it's it's it's like two minuteslong, but it's like it's my favorite
worker. I'm just like bro,like like I don't have an ego.

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I don't have an ego, butI was like, like I'm fucking legit.
Like it was. It was likeI was like bro, like like
you're not like, folks are notfucking with me. Like it was like
and like I feel like I earnedphocus. Like the guy who I was
working with was a season actor.He's been working for like three decades and
like it was just a mutual respectthere and he was just like, man,
you're a great actor. I waslike, fucking right, I am.

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So that was really cool. Hellyeah, hell yeah. Confident man.
No no. So I'd say thatwas it for TV for sure,
I'd say for for a theater fuck, I'd probably say one of my like
most fun times was in the summerof twenty eighteen, I believe I was

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doing Shakespeare and it was Shakespeare inthe Park. It was with San Francisco
Shakespeare Theater Center or Theater Company.We did Midsummer Night Stream and it was
a whole summer of just doing it. We would go to different amphitheaters around
the Bay Area. But I justhad the most fun with that. Man,
Like I was able to like reallyjust like play around, and like
that's what I really love about acting, is like there's like there's a lot

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of like clowning in it. Obviously, like there's the more dramatic stuff,
but like really like you just reallyget to play. And Midsummer Nights Stream,
I don't know you're familiar, butit's it's one of Shakespeare's comedy so
it was like we've got to belike just really just like over the top
and silly, and I just hadso much fun, so much fun.
It was great And I feel likethat was one of those shows too where
one it made me eligible to getinto the Union, which was a big

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deal for me, but also butalso yeah, man, it was just
fun. Like I love what Ido because like, I just have fun.
Man, it's it's it's fun.Yeah, that's awesome. You got
into the strike a little bit.What was that? Like? I wanted
to take a little dive into that. What was that? Like, actors
even it diffected, everybody affected,even high level actors, high level actors

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alread at the bottom PLoP. Yeah, how was that? What was that
feeling like, not knowing if you'regonna work it again or when you're gonna
yeah whatever, it sucked. Man. I think I think like in twenty
years, like I'm gonna look backon it and be like, you know,
whoever, whoever's still in the industry, I'm gonna be like, and
if we were in the industry atthe time, it was like we lived

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through one of I think the toughesttimes that like the entertainment industry has ever
experienced because we had COVID, whichI felt that during COVID, like I
had just moved to Los Angeles.I just booked my agent, like I
was like, my manager, sorry, I had just gotten signed in my
management company. I started to booksome things, and then COVID hit and
everything shut down, and I gotincredibly depressed. I was like, I'll

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never work again. Like it was. It was bad, man, it
was bad so like and once oncethings started ramping up again and I started
booking, I was like, allright, bet, like we're here,
okay, like we're good, We'repast it. And then the strike hit,
and then it felt like the samefucking thing. I was like,
fuck, I'll never work again,Like this is gonna suck, like and
we're also like in a really unprecedentedtime. I think the strike was just
a it was a touching upon somelarger things, but like this is the

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first strike a long like sixty years, so I think in the span of
like four years and the span ofthree years, really, like actors in
the entertainment industry, like everyone involvedin it, like really experienced two of
the hardest things that like most folkshave experienced in their lifetime, like when
it comes to entertainment, which wasthe COVID and the strike. I lost
my car. Like I was like, I had my fucking baby. I

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had, I had, I hadbought because I started to get confident.
I was like, all right,I'm like we're getting bread, like we're
getting really good money, like TVmoney is really fucking good money. And
I had I had a challenger.I just got my challenger. But I
was like, bro, I can'tmake the car payments anymore. I know
other people had it worse. Youknow, people were losing their homes,
people were losing cars as well,so like I had to give up my

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car a lot of people for Yeah, I was like, I don't know
how if I'm gonna keep being ableto pay this, And you know,
it's funny enough. But like amonth and a half after I gave up
my car and the strike was over. But like at the time, I
needed the money, so it waslike whatever. But it was tough,
man, It was tough, andlike I I pray like it doesn't happen
again. But I think I thinkwe just went through two of like the

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hardest experiences in the entertainment industry inhistory, like with COVID and then the
strike, Like that was that wastough for Yeah, it was a tough
three years man. So it wasjust it was just tough all around,
man. And I think we're recuperatingin a lot of ways, which is
great, but it has impacted theindustry a lot, where like there's less,
they're they're casting less, they're they'rethey're working, they're they're doing more

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with less, so they're they're castingmuch less roles. Like there are a
bunch of like smaller management companies whoare going out of business because those smaller
roles that would come down to them, they're no longer getting them because what
they're doing is they're just uh,you know, the bigger companies because they
have to pay actors more and theyhave to pay everyone more, they're they're
cutting the corners and other other places. So like it's it's tough. I
don't know, man, it was. It was just a really hard time.

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Yeah, yeah, I could evenimagine that must have been a tough
time. Definitely a lot of stuffthat I watch and everything was delayed,
and you know, as a fan, you're like, damn, this sucks.
Yeah. You wait for your showsto come out, you wait for
your movies to come out. Marvelpersons, and I'm like, damn,
all these movies got plaid six months. A lot of the Star Wars,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, alot of Yeah. Been your most challenging
role so far, that's a goodquestion. I'd say my most challenging role
probably the role I'm doing right now. I haven't done theater in a couple
of years. You know, theNew York market is a little difficult.

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But also like I've mostly been doingTV one because it's just financially more like
it's this is better. Like Ithink the amount of money that I'm making
here for a month and like fiveweeks of work, I can make that
in like two days doing TV.So like I just don't like, I
just don't want doing I just don'twant to keep doing theater because it's just

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like I'd love to because I loveit. But also like if if I
got offered a TV gig tomorrow,I'd be out of Indianapolis by like tonight.
And that's not a slight to likethe people I work with, just
like this is like I need tobreak bread, Like I have a you
know, I have a fiance,I have a doll fig bro. There's

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it's just not mats. But likeI think TV acting is like very like
you know, it's it's it's verylike right here, right, but like
you're seeing my face, you're seeinglike the small like nuances of what I'm
doing. There's still a lot ofpower in it, but it's like it's
it's much less as opposed to theater, where it's like you know, like
there are people all the way inthe back, so it has to be
much bigger, right, And likethere's a there's a fine line between it

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being like over the top and justbig, because like you're trying to like
really get a message across to thepeople, like not just like in the
front row, but in the backrow, So like there is a there
is a there's a stark contrast betweenthe two. And I've mostly been doing
TV the past couple of years,and so just transition back into theater,
it's like it's working a muscle thatI haven't worked in a while. So
I'd say this is probably the mostchallenging because it just feels like it's it's

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been it's been a while since I'vedone it. Yeah, that's awesome,
not big into theater place, butI know it's a it's a big world
that people love it wa CD andwhatever it is auditioning or actively in a
role? What are you doing?What am I doing? What am I

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doing? Well? It's not likeworking. Well, I try. I
try to write. I'm not likea writer, but I've written like one
full length play. I've had areading for it, Like I try to
write. Yeah, yeah, Imean I think I think we need more.
I think we need more writers ofcolor, like not just not just

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actors, but like we need morepeople creating the work too, because like
we can't rely on like the predominantlylike white writers to like write our stories
because they don't know our stories andthey're gonna they're gonna fuck it up.
So we need more writers. Andso like I'm trying to contribute to that
as much as I can. It'sthat's that's a real struggle for me.
But like I'm trying to when whenI can. But other than that,
man, it's mostly auditioning. Likeyou know, I also have a day

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job to to help like keep thelights on just because like the gigs are
few and far in between, butmostly just auditioning, man. So like
I think that's what's really important aboutshowing like an actor's journey like before they
become like famous and before they becomea regulator on the TV show. Is
like I may post that I bookedthis, this and that, but like
in between that, like I'm doinglike like I just had an audition for

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a movie with Keith Keifer Sutherland whosedad just died RP. But like and
then before that, I had Ihave audition for that show Georgie and Mandy,
which is like a sitcom. Butlike like all of these things are
happening behind the scenes, like I'mlike working to like try and get on
these shows when I'm not actually onthe show. And like the thing with

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auditions too, is like the percentageof booking is just it's just small just
because like the pool is so big, so like for every hundred auditions I
may do, like I'll be luckyif I do if I book five.
So like there's just a lot ofauditioning. So like when I'm not working,
I'm auditioning and then you know meand my I'm doing live auditions on
zoom or in person, or I'mdoing self tapes. I do a lot

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of self tapes, which is prettymuch you know, just me just setting
in the audition, So there's alot of work behind the scenes. And
yeah, but I mean before that, it was just it's mostly theater because
theater really takes up a lot oftime. But like in TV, like
obviously, like you know, youcan shoot one episode in like a weeks
and then you're done. But it'sjust a lot, a lot of auditioning,

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a lot of auditioning. Yeah,those TV roles. One of that
who's the most famous person you've workedwith on those shows? Oh shit,
Uh, there's quite a few ofyou guys. Yeah, I mean probably,
like right, maybe Queen Latifa.I think she's more famous than I
was gonna say. That was mysector. That was my first official guest.

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Yeah. Yeah, figure she's knownmore, you know actually though,
like I've also I randomly did likethis game show that was that game show
to Tell the Truth. I don'tknow if it's on anymore, but Anthony
Anderson was was hosting it and BoxDagger, Yeah I was. I was
on one of those episodes. BobSaggett was also like a guest judge on

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it. I think maybe Bob Saggettis the most famous person because Bob Saget,
But but I didn't actually work withhim. I just kind of,
yeah, I probably say like QueenLatief because I actually, like, you
know, did a scene with her, So yeah, probably her. That's
awesome. Yeah, yeah, shewas sure, she was gorgeous. On
top of that, I did havea crush on her when I was of

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course, I'm not even gonna lie. Of course, who didn't who did
it? Everybody's lying to say thatdidn't for sure. What's your like dream
role? Would you want to justbe like a bunch of different TV spots
or would it be like one consistentyou know, series seasons and all that,

(25:48):
all that stuff. That's a goodquestion. I think. I think
my more immediate goal is to definitelyget like a regular on the TV show
one because, like I mean,when I when I think about like what
I do, like, yeah,I think about the passion, but I
also think about the financial aspect aswell, and I think, like you
know, people are a lot ofpeople in the industry they always talk about,
oh, I don't think about themoney. I think that's fucking stupid,

(26:10):
because like, either you want tomake a living given which you like,
so like my my, my mygoal is to become a regular on
a TV show, so like youknow, just a recurring character. It
doesn't even have to be the lead. But like when you are a recurring
character, you can make up totwenty to thirty grand starting off an episode

(26:30):
and they're shooting like you know,fifteen to twenty episodes a season, So
we do half on that. That'sthat's part. That's fucking I mean also,
I mean think about it too,like Uncle Sam takes his cut,
Uncle Sam takes his put my managerand my agent, so like I'm probably
looking at like half of that,so like but still like that's still like
I mean, that's that's like that'smore than a good Yeah. Yeah,

(26:51):
So that's that's my like my shortterm goal. Long term goal is definitely
to like be consistent on like differentmovies and different TV shows, maybe like
limited is like I love all ofthat, So like that's like the big
goal. Like I'd say, probablylike the person who I probably would like
like model like my goals after it'sprobably Bedeto Bescal just because he that's how

(27:14):
he started. He started off onlike yeah, Game of Thrones, Narcos,
and then he then he blew upand now he's on fucking Disney,
fucking doing Star Wars, and nowhe's doing like but he started off small.
He started off on those shows andhe didn't even blow up till he
was like thirty six years old.Like he was grinding. He was grinding,
so I think goals for real.Yeah, and that was after Game

(27:37):
of Thrones where he had maybe likefive episodes, but like he stole the
show because he was so good.Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now now
he's the new supposed I think it'sconfirmed, but he's a new it's a
fantastic and Marvel that's right. Yeah, I mean he had to get to
get a role. The universe isamazing right now. He took off.

(27:59):
Man, he took off, andit's it's beautiful to see too, because
like I feel like he didn't justcome out of nowhere like we saw like
his we saw his progression. Andnot only that, but like as he
was blowing up, people were justlike, oh, low key, Like
he was on this random episode ofLaw and Order as for you, like
ten years ago, or he wason this random show fifteen years ago,
he was on this random show threeyears ago. And then you're like,

(28:19):
well, he's been working for awhile, and he's been really grinding and
got to the point where he ultimatelylike, is yeah, Marvel, He's
headlining fucking Marvel. Yeah, yeah, Fantastic four. The first Family of
Marvel. Well not yet big intothe comics, but I'm big into the
MCU and it's the first family ofMarvel. So it's like it's a huge
thing, and that role was goingto be for you know, ten to

(28:41):
fifteen years because there's so many moviesand things planned out for Marvel. It's
awesome, that's right. Who hasbeen an influence for you? Who is
an influence for me? Yeah,I probably say I mean at first,
I think I think I'm like everylike person of color, their initial like

(29:03):
my initial influence, especially like guys, like my initial influence was Denzel Washington,
Like you know, I grew upwatching Training Day my favorite movie,
growing up, watching John q uhgroup, watching Hurricane, like all of
his hits, Grove, watching MalcolmX, like when he was like,
really Virtuosity, Huh did you watchVirtuosity? Though? No? No,

(29:25):
is that that's him and that's oneof his worst ones. To me,
that's his worst ones. That wasn'ta fan. I just I asked people
all love Denzel, like did youlove Virtuosity? Yeah? You know what
it really does. I have towatch it now, I have to watch
it. But like Men on Fire, like like uh remember all of all
of his like that he had likea ten year span where he was just

(29:45):
like no one was touching him.Yeah. Yeah, he was the first
one. Man. I was justlike, I just I just loved how
like just he's just so like captivating, like just yeah, that was the
first one. I'd say probably morerecently though, it's like bedrooal Bascal and
I'd say probably Tom Hardy to likelove Tom Hardy. He's he's great a

(30:07):
lot of stuff, He's in alot of stuff. He's great. Man,
he's great. He's fucking great.And also like he's tattered as fucking
like I'm pretty tattooed myself. Solike, I just I love being able
to relate to like people like inthe industry. Yeah, yeah, we're
not going too high. Who's somebodywant to work with that? You know,
someone I would want in the industry. It could be a producer,

(30:29):
it could be an actors or whoever. Yeah, I'd probably say, who's
somebody to be like I want tobe a dope to do a scene with
them. Yeah, that's a goodquestion. Definitely Tom Hardy. I think
Tom. I think he's just amazingman. I saw him recently in Bike
Writers. He was fucking great inthat, like, oh man, it's
so good, watch it, watchit. I'd probably say him for sure,

(30:51):
But I think like in terms ofi'd rather like, I think like
I I want to work more withlike writers and directors, so I probably
want to work with Alejandro and ourtoo or I think it's how you pronounced
his name, but he did Birdmanand he also did the Revenant with with
Tom Hardy and Leo. He's justan amazing director. I would also want
to work with Barry Jenkins, whodid Moonlight, and he also did Underground

(31:15):
Railroad, which is the show onAmazon right now. Barry Jenkins is amazing,
Like if you if you haven't checkedout his work, check it out.
Yeah, there was a I wantto write that down. Yeah,
those are probably my two directors thatI would want to work with. Man
Man. Yeah, all right,we're gonna get into your movie a little
bit, alright. I definitely sawit, saw it before when he first

(31:38):
came out, and then I hadto refresh myself to watch it again yesterday,
so I'm sure the directors happened.He's like, what I'm getting more
vis Oh, We're definite gonna getinto that, definitely for sure. Who's
your favorite actor and actress of alltime? Besides the obvious Denzel? Take
Denzel out? Yeah, like theGoat for you? I have so many,

(32:05):
It's just it's hard to take onemy favorite. I honestly, I
like Tom Hardy is up there,man, Like, I just love I
love everything he does. I reallydo. Man, I'm pretty biased.
Like I love everything he does.I think his work is brilliant, So
I have to put him up therefor sure. I also want I also
feel like I need to put ChristianBale up there because I love his work.

(32:29):
He's amazing. I just love likehis ability to form. Yeah,
yeah, i'd also want to workwith you know some of the what were
you saying? Not said? ChristianBale is the only one that I know
that he was in Was And Iwatched fully and I loved it. Was

(32:52):
an American Psycho. I think itwas. It's a great one. And
obviously the Batman. Have you seenFighter? No? No? Oh my,
I think that's his best work.He talked about like a trans talking
about like physical transformation, like hegot incredibly skinny. To play is based
off of Mark Wahlberg plays is thelead but like he uh he plays Mark

(33:17):
Wahlberg plays this real boxer and hishis brother was actually like a like a
he was a drug addict, buthe was off host trainer and he won
an oscar for I mean, he'samazing, like Bale's fucking amazing to watch
The Fighter, for sure. TheFighter is amazing. Uh, there's a
there's a bunch of other things toothat he's just really good in. He's
just he's just great at transforming himself. I'd i'd say in terms of an

(33:42):
actress, though, who you agressthat, I'd probably say it is like
my goat. Fuck, I don't, I don't, I don't know,
I don't know. No. Imean, there's there's plenty that I like,
I that I respect, admire,but like I'm I can't think of
like a female actress that I'm justlike that's my goat. Yeah, not

(34:08):
at all. Amy Adams. AmyAdams is up there. I love everything
she does. She's great. AmyAdams who she's also the Fighters. She's
also in the Fighters. She's great. She's great. She also like randomly
too, was like in like acouple of episodes of the Office before she

(34:31):
blew up. But Amy Adams isincredible, She's she's really good. Yeah,
yeah, I was gonna say,there's a bunch for women actresses.
She's in a lot of the stuff. I was gonna say, like Street,

(34:51):
I don't watch MARYL. Street,so I don't. I'm not gonna
say her even though she is oneof the Yeah, yeah, the detail
was really like you know what,she's she's amazing. But yeah, yeah,
yeah. Ji p Henson is goodfor sure, But yeah, they're

(35:13):
good. There's a there's quite afew. Even what else. Jao's not
too bad. I mean she hasmaybe two movies that I you know,
I was like, that's not bad, you know, j Lo. Yeah
I can't Jenny, what's this?I think? Was good? Like,

(35:37):
you know, it was all right, Yeah, the movie was good.
I can't stand here as an actressis so bad. I think she's so
bad. But I grew up watchingher, like I don't blame you,
Like I remember watching j Lo movieswith my mom and I was like,
oh, this is solid, butit's not. Now that you're in it,

(35:59):
you can start. You critique isdifferent, do you do you Yeah,
definitely in the industry. Yeah.So so let me ask you this,
what's what everybody loves that you can'tstand because you're in the industry and
you see it differently, like onething like a show or a movie everybody

(36:20):
you know. Yeah, for thelongest time, I fucking hated Leonardo DiCaprio.
I thought he was just like Ithought he was just like a pretty
boy, you know that. Yeah, well I think he's great now I
think So here's the thing. Ithink that, Like, I think that
as long as you're consistent and likeyou know, and like he's he he

(36:40):
like grew up in the industry.But like if you're consistent, like I
feel like the older you get,the better you get. So like I
think Leo when he was young,fucking trash. I think Leo, Like,
what what would I say is likethe I think Leo from The Departed
on because I fucking love The departIt's a great movie. Jeh Nicholas fucking

(37:00):
Nicholson, he's up there too.That's one of my goats. I love
people who like they're kind of justfucking crazy, and like, I think
there's just something about that because hejust doesn't give a fuck, and like
you can kind of tell and likethere's freedom that that you see when he's
working. It's just it's so cool. But like I think, I think
Leo was great and they departed andI think, you know, the Wolf

(37:22):
of Wall Street. I was justlike, oh, he's here, like
he finally like time in Hollywood.He was really good in I think.
Yeah. So, like I hatedhim for the longest time, and I
feel the same way right now aboutTimothy shallow May. I just don't think
he's good, but I think he'sgonna get there, just because like he's
gonna get there. Really. Yeah, he's he's the he's the guy,

(37:45):
the young dude from Dune. He'she's the star in Dune. I think
I've seen it. Yeah, recognizehis face. He's he's everywhere. He's
the new Leo. Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't like What's Eating Gilbert
Grape and Titanic and all that,but Titanic is a great movie. I

(38:06):
didn't like Leo. I think hewas good. I thought he was good
for the role, but I wasjust like, I'm not really like interested
in this movie because of Leo.I'm interested in the movie because because it's
it's a great movie. Yeah,Titanic is good. I think it's a
little bit overrated for me, reallyover rated, overhyped. I just I
just never it's good. It's notlike trash or shitty or whatever. But

(38:31):
yeah, I don't think it's oneof the top ten top B movies of
all time. That's just me again. I'm it's an average fan, you
know of movies. Yeah, yeah, probably not in my top ten,
but top fifty for sure. Yeah, Titanic in top fifty, top fifty.

(38:51):
If I write, if I writea list, I could come up
with maybe fifty movies better than Titanic. I gotta, I gotta. I
gotta sit down and do that oneday. Maybe maybe it has to be
up there. Yeah, there's somuch much, but it is good.
And I'm not saying it's you know, trying to anyway, but I think
it's a little bit over But yeah, yeah, that's Leo's one of the

(39:14):
goods right now. He's really good. The party and love everybody, it
was amazing. Yeah, anything,what's the hardest part of acting the hardest
part. The hardest part, uh, besides getting the gigs and all that,
you know, auditioning and trying toget them, trying to go.

(39:35):
I mean, I think the hardestpart is just like finding finding what works
at first. Like, I thinkthe hardest part of acting is like I
think in order to be a greatactor, you have to like figure out
who you are first. And thatfeels counterintuitive because like, you know,
when you're acting, you're pretending tobe other people. But I think in

(39:57):
order to be in order to dothat, you have to figure out who
you are first, and then like, essentially what acting is I think is
like you what you bring to thetable, who you are, and then
what the person the person who's writtenon that paper and finding those similarities and
bridging the gap between you and thatother person because ultimately, like, and

(40:20):
I think theater is a great examplefor this, but like, if I
play Hamlet, it's going to bea different Hamlet than if you play Hamlet
because you bring something different to thetable. But I think in order to
do at first, you have tofigure out who you are, and you
have to you have to do that, and then you have to just like
you have to just take risks.You have to be able to play.
You have to be able to like, you know, not take yourself too
seriously because at the end of theday, we're like pretending to be other

(40:43):
people, which is, you know, kind of seems silly, but like
there's also there's a power in itobviously, which is why, like you
know, people love movies and stufflike that. But I think you have
to you have to figure out whoyou are, and then you also have
to like just you have to kindof just take risks and not give a
block because only then will you beable to, like, you know,
do things as crazy as like whata Christian Bale has done or or what

(41:07):
like a Tom Hardy has done.You have to really just yeah, you
have to. You have to.You have to figure out who you are
in order to let go. It'sit feels counterintuitive, but yeah, do
you questions popped the head? Howto phrase it? I'm gonna say,
you're a friend. Would it botheryou that you played a role so good

(41:29):
that people only refer to that rolefor the rest of your career? That
for you? For actors, Idon't think so. I don't think.
I think I think there are plentyof examples of people who have done that,
like you know, like but butalso like that's just because they were
so good. Like you know,you know when people see when people see

(41:50):
uh, what is his name?God damn it is uh when I see
Heath Ledger another way, but whenyou when people see Steve Carrell, you
know, I think of Michael Scottfrom the office if you're in office,
but like he's also a great actor. He's that He's done other amazing things.
But like when I see him,I think of Michael Scott because it

(42:10):
was so iconic, And I thinkthat's the thing, Like you're so good,
like you're so iconic that people rememberyou for that. You know,
sometimes it works against you. Butlike I don't know, like the people,
like the actors who were on Friendsright like that, like people only
remember them for being those actors,you know, with Ross and Rachel and
shit like that. But like also, like you know, you were part
of an iconic show. And alsoyou're a millionaire, like shut the fuck

(42:32):
up. Like I don't know,I'm not as sensitive. Yeah, Like,
man, they're set for the restof their life. I don't care
the money. The bread is there, you could take care of your family,
man, Like if if that's likemy fate, Like I'm not picky
about it, Like if I becamea Mariska Hargotay and like people only knew
me for SVU. You know howmuch Mariska makes per fucking episode. She

(42:52):
makes like two hundred and fifty grandper episode per episode, So like it
doesn't matter, Like I know someof ouristic standpoint, you know, you're
like, well, I want totry and explore and stuff, and you
can, you can do all that, you can do all that, but
like at the end of the day, like you know, if that's if
that's like the fate, if that'slike what I'm blessed to be with,
and you know I don't care.That means I've done it so well that

(43:14):
like I'm able to like do thischaracter forever and also financially just like cognitively
thinking like I can support my family. So yeah, yeah, it's weird
how TV shows and movies do thatto people. Because now, for me,
the first movie I ever saw VinceVaughnen was Domestic Disturbance with John Trabolta
right right, he played the villainso well, Like I only see Vince

(43:37):
Vaughn as an evil bad guy.That's an evil villain to us, to
the movie. So when I sawhim in Dodgeball and other funny funny shit,
yeah, I didn't see the funnyside. I just saw him being
the evil person. Like that's that'show I associate him now, uh huh.
Yeah. Yeah. It's the samething when I see head Brian Cranston.

(44:01):
Yeah, I love him and breakit back, like that's my favorite
sho all time. Yeah, butnow I see other stuff. I like,
just Heisenberg. I don't care,right, that's how I see him,
you know, and you know what, fuck it, like like he's
he's a brilliant actor. But likeI mean, I think people people think
of him like that, but likethat's an iconic role, like I think

(44:22):
too, Like sometimes like people dreamof rows that like those those don't come
around very often. So like ifyou can do that and people are gonna
refer to he was Heisenberg for therest of your life, fuck it.
Like gian Carlos Esposito, who playsGus in that most people know him for
Gus even though he's a brilliant actorand he's been acting since like the eighties,

(44:44):
he was in to do the rightthing. He was. He was
the guy who was like the whitedude runs over his foot with the with
the runs over his Jordan's like he'sbeen doing it for a long time and
now he just got Gus Like thishas been within the last ten years and
people know him mostly gust but he'sfucking brilliant. And now he's doing other
things. And I'm sure give afuck. I'm sure he's just like,

(45:04):
you know what, I make money, yeah, fring. Now he's in
the Themandalorian. I believe I'm nota star Wars. He's making fucking moves.
Man, He's making fucking moves.But like those roles, if you
play it right, they'll they'll launchyou in other things. Yeah, oh

(45:28):
yeah, man, all right,I want to get into the movie now.
Yeah, I want to touch onit a little bit. You know,
how long did it take to makea movie of that? You know
that the run time was an hourand a half. What are some basic
basic math that takes to making themovie that long and the shooting time and

(45:49):
all that stuff. That's a goodquestion. So that was that was an
So it's an indie movie, whichessentially means that it was independent and that
there weren't any big like studios behindit, so like we had a funder,
but the budget for the whole movieI think was like less than two
hundred grand for everything, So itwas a small budget in comparison, like

(46:14):
people will look at a movie thatcosts a million dollars as still small a
small like over low budget. Soa lot of what we were doing was
like very like run and gun,Like indie movies are notorious for like long
hours, and it's just like we'regoing to try to just get through it
as fast as possible because we're ona budget, and like if we go
over a day, we're going overthe budget because like if you go over

(46:35):
an extra day, you have topay for the lighting that you rented,
you have to pay for the camerasthat you rented, you have to pay
everyone on the crew an extra day, so like it costs more money.
So like we tried to shoot itwithin three weeks. I think we ended
up shooting it within four weeks,and like it was pretty much like all
hands on deck from night tod.I also wasn't in the union at the
time, so like pretty much likeif there was just like hey, we
need you to be here for twelvehours, like they weren't going to pay

(46:59):
me extra. And you know,at the time, I was young too,
so like I didn't care. Iwas I was like, you know
what, like I want to dothis movie, like it's my first lead,
so I was. I was reallyexcited. But like we did like
twelve hour days pretty much every day, and like we shot it pretty like
we shot it within the timeframe.I think for the most part. I
got sick, really sick at theend because we were shooting so much.
But yeah, we shot it withinthree weeks and it was like mostly twelve

(47:22):
hour days, so like that waslike that was a really you know,
it was a big bit of atime crush. But like I think most
movies take within like two months,depending on like especially like if if it's
part of the union, Like youdon't want to go over budget and pay
actors overtime because then it goes intoovertime. But so like do like eight
hour days. And also because there'sthe union, like there are certain labor

(47:45):
laws that they have to follow toso like because they have to do eight
hour days as opposed to twelve hourdays, it'll take a little bit longer,
and also they have the budget todo so, but we shot that
like it was it was just runningGune. That was it was. It
was good when in the role.Yeah, you do any type of research

(48:07):
for the role or when you reada script or any like homework you do
behind the scenes to get ready forthe role or anything like that. Yeah,
I think a lot of the homeworkis like just basic, like you
know, things you learn in actingschool, which is like what is the
background of this character? Like youknow what, It's a lot of things
that like you don't see in themovie, but like it's it informs the

(48:27):
work so like it makes you morerooted in the character. So it's like,
what is his background? How longhas he been like a movie a
director or a writer? Like wherewhere did it go south? Like why
why is he in this place thatyou know, the main character, Jake
del Rio, Why is he inthis place where he feels like he hates
his job? Like yea, Andit was like things like that I was
like trying to connect to. SoI was like writing his backstory because the

(48:50):
director didn't necessarily provide that the directorwas also the writer and he had like
a general idea, but like alot of the background, like sometimes the
actor does have to fill in,and so like there was also like research
about like you know, what doesa director do? What does it like
a corporate director do, because that'swhat he was mostly doing, like corporate
gigs. But luckily enough, likeI had a lot of experience that was

(49:10):
similar to his, just from anacting perspective, so I was very able
to bring a lot of my ownexperiences into that. So like that's a
lot of the homework is like figuringout like the backstory, like how did
we get to like where we areat the top of the movie, Like
how like if we think about itfrom like a training day perspective, like
Alonso the main character, like howdid he become corrupt? Like what brought
him to that point? Like,because it's important to know those steps because

(49:32):
it informs how the character moves,It informs how he walks, It informs
how he just carries himself through everyscene. And a lot of that information
is within the script, right,And so that's where a lot of the
script work comes in. You readthe script, you find things like some
a character may say something about yourcharacter that informs you they may say,
Oh Joe, JAKEO real, You'vealways been like you've always been like you

(49:55):
know, you've never gone for it, You've never like, you've never tried
to make huge changes in your life, and so what is that rooted in?
So like then you you sort oflike fill in the blank space,
you're like, okay, So likewhere was where else was this reflected before?
Was it reflected in his relationship?Was it it reflected in? Like
how like the schools he went to? Like how how does that show up
in his day to day life?If he if he feels like if it's

(50:16):
like he's not taking a risk,then then he moves different. Maybe he's
he's a little bit more timid,Maybe he's he's reserved because he's scared to
put himself out there. And sothat's reflected in a grander in a grander
sense, and like his career wherehe's at where he feels like he's a
failure, but also the way hemoves in life, because like you know,
if you're if you feel like yourfailure and your job, you're obviously

(50:36):
not maybe speaking out, so likeit'll inform how you walk, it'll inform
how you carry yourself. You know, you wouldn't carry yourself with your chest
out. You may like you huntyour shoulders and like you know have that.
Yeah. Yeah, so like that'sthat's what the work is. That's
awesome. Man. Was it toughto play like both roles? Not really

(50:58):
both roles? Is one role,but it's two characters, right, How
was that? How was shooting forthat? Did you have to shoot one
hosting for one of the characters andone hosting for the other like like that?
Yeah? So a lot of whatwe did because it was running gun
and because of the concept. Usuallylike it would be like it would be
one whole day as one character andthen one whole day as the other.
But but there were days where Iwould like start off as one and then

(51:22):
jump into the other. And usuallyit was like the first Jake's last because
there was the whole beard that hadto be put on. But I think
it wasn't as challenging as one maythink, because like I mean, it's
it's you're doing it's like you're doingtwo different roles. They just happened to
like be in the same universe andlike meet, but like it's the same

(51:45):
process for the other Jake it's justyou're kind of doing two jobs at once,
right, You're just like I haveto do this character and then I
have to do this character. ButI think once you do all that homework,
it helps you because you're informed abouthow you walk. Like the other
Jake was like successful, and hewas like very confident in himself, so
like himself a different way. Solike those were just like some things that
like you could always like fall backon to, like if you're if you're

(52:05):
finding that struggle of like it.And also like you know, the other
one had a beard, which likeprobably like it changes your mannerisms and how
you like maneuver, how you eventalk speak, how you may like play
with your hair how like like whenyou're scratching, can you play with your
beard when you talk? As opposedto the other one where he's a lot
more clean cut, So there's adifferent way. So I think I think
a lot like I think if you'reif you do the job well, like

(52:28):
and and like everything around you isdoing well, Like it's it's much easier
than you think. Like even theclothes, like like you know, the
original Jake had like baggy clothes andso like that that makes you move like
really like type fitted clothes makes youmove different. So I think, honestly,
like if you if you just likeallow yourself to like fall into like
everything that's being provided for you inthat setting, then then it's actually a

(52:51):
lot easier than one may think toplay two roles, because like, yeah,
you just have everything at your disposal, and like, if you're crafty
enough, you make it work.Yeah. So, okay, you do
one day as one right one Jake, the original Jake. I haven't seen
the movie. Go check out themovie the alternate. Yeah, so you

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play Jake with the beard. Uhhuh. Now the next day you play
the other Jake from the alternate universe. Do you have to remember do they
play for you what you did todaybefore so you could know how to react
certain things, or how does thatwork at the interaction between the two,
Like, okay, I remember atthis point I went no, I went

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towards him. Okay, I gotremember the French pack or whatever? How
the hell does that work? That'sa really great question. So we actually
had a a stunt double, solike in those scenes where like he's interacting
with himself, like there was astunt double there, and so like the
stunt double was giving me something,so he was like there was someone to
act off of, which was helpful, even though like that's not what's like

(54:00):
ultimately shown. It is a bitchallenging because like you're you're even though like
you're acting off of someone, thatperson is not necessarily giving what you specifically
gave. And so I think whatwe what we did was I mean we
just kind of try to root ourselvesin the script because the script is informing
what's happening, and so like youcan always touch back on that, and
like you know, we shot itthe day before or the morning before so,

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or the morning of so, LikeI still had fresh in my head,
like what that delivery look like,even though we did a couple of
scenes. But like that that's that'swhy you do a couple takes, because
it's just like we'll do a coupleof takes, we'll see what works,
and then when they're editing it,like I don't have a final say what
comes out, but my job ismainly to like just play with it,
like try this way, try thisway, try this way. What they
do in the editing room is likethey mix together the best takes and specifically

(54:47):
for this too, because as opposedto like working off of someone, I'm
working off of myself and so likethere's just a little bit of more exploring
to do there, and then likethe edit in the editing room, they
make it seem seamless when when theyput it together. Yeah, that's awesome.
It definitely played both roles well becauseyou could tell both characters apart even

(55:07):
when they were on screen. Youcould tell, Okay, this is the
one that wasn't successful and this isthe one that definitely was successful, and
everything in the manianisms, everything whatI want to say. The first Jake,
the original Jake's first touch of theportal, I was here lacked because
you touched it and you ran it, hit by the chair like it was

(55:30):
an attack. You is fuck,it felt pure, like a pure reaction.
It was so funny, man,it was laughing. It was.
It was hilarious. For the originalJake. That rich life, I've got
to him. That's why I noticedin the movie. He liked that rich
lifestyle, the lavish lifestyle, thebetter lifestyle you had with his wife and

(55:52):
he had a kid, and that'swhat made him want to, you know,
make the switch. Yeah, thatwas awesome. He became obsessed with
that lifestyle. I was it wasgood. It was good. It was
very intense the ending though, endingwas not expect that And how how did

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you guys do that? Because Iknow it's obviously body. Yeah that's the
word. That's the word. Yeah. That was fun, man. I
I would love to keep doing scifi because one I think like it's fun,
but it's also fucking absurd, Likeit's just like how it ended.

(56:34):
But I love that because it's scifi and like you take a risk and
you're like, you know what,let's let's do that this ship. So
it's like it's like you don't wantto play it safe and so like I
thought at first it was really cornyand cheesy, but like in hindsight,
I'm like, you know what,we took a risk, and like if
you look at a lot of scifi movies, there's some there's some wacky
ship happening all the time. Yeah, fucking fiction. I was not expected
that. I was expecting the rich, you know, the rich Jake to

(57:00):
throw him back in and close everythingbecause he took the USB, took it
with him. I expected that hejumped back through us like oh, Ship,
this is not done. Yeah,but yeah we did it well the
ending, but it might and halfI was like, what the hell.
Yeah, we did a mold ofmy body with like my whole upper half.
It was it was, it was. It was really interesting. And
then uh, the body double likeyou can kind of see it too in

(57:22):
the movie, like it it's,uh, it looks obviously it looks like
me, but it looks it's soit's so weird looking. But yeah,
it was fun to get that done. Like it worked with a really cool
makeup and like, uh, specialeffects artists and you know, we went
to their studio and like just gotcovered in the cast and like and then
we had the dummy and then yeahthey put the first glance it looked just

(57:44):
like Ship. Yeah, they dida good job. I was like,
it wasn't bad. It was prettygood. Yeah, and then the ending
I didn't expect. That's all youknow, when you guys drink your wine,
I think it's wine at the end, and I thought that was it.
And then it was like a postcredit scene almost. Yeah. I

(58:06):
love post credit scenes because I watchedMarvel. I'm a big Marble fan.
So that was those credit scenes.Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I
mean, that's where he came thathe wanted to do like a sequel.
I don't. I don't think it'sbeen like four years. That was the
next question, it's gonna be apart two or anything? Because his friend
I forgot his friend's name already.Yeah, I forgot Peter Pete. Pete

(58:31):
thought it was yeah, but hefound it. I think he's gonna do
it. Yeah, probably probably not. Unfortunately, that's funny as hell man.
Yeah, it was good. Itwas a good movie. I liked
it. Going in to be totallyunbiased, I was like, this is
probably not gonna be the Grid.No, no offense to you or anybody

(58:55):
that works. It's hard work.Don't take it. Don't take it.
I actually it was good. Iloved it. Was it was entertaining.
I was at the edge of it. Was that was that was at the
edge of my seat because I wasnot expecting the ending. I was wondering
how I was going to end,and again pullack in take everything he's gone

(59:16):
nothing else through and got it wasgood. The shot the shot factor was
definitely there. Yeah, dope,yeah, yeah, I think it ended
up doing pretty well. It wasit went through like a bunch of like
film festivals, because that's the circuitfor like indie films, is like they
show them that a bunch of filmfestivals. And it won some awards too,

(59:37):
so like, no, it wasreceived pretty well. That yeah that
was my You want some awards offof that one, right? Yeah?
Yeah I got. I think Igot two Best Actor awards from from two
different film festivals, which was dope. I have one of the plaques at
home, which is pretty cool thatthey ended up sending to me. It
was pretty dope. That's awesome.Do you keep all that stuff in like

(01:00:00):
a little case and we start buildingyour case up and you know, make
it grander to a wall. LikeI do a lot of races, so
like I have my like marathon metals, and then I have that one and
then my other races. Yeah,maybe maybe one day I'll have a case,
you know, a couple of Tony's. We'll see for sure. Hell
yeah, man, you could doit. You can definitely do it,

(01:00:21):
bro. I believe in it allright. Getting towards uh, the last
part of the episode, I dowork one thing before we go, because
there's been an honor for you,honor for me. Have you on I
appreciate a thing on the podcast.I never really do video. I always
do audio. Okay, so wedo this thing called all all Blitz,
and it's similar to like pick one. You have to pick one. If

(01:00:45):
you don't pick one, you haveto drink or whatever. You know.
That's what we do in the basement. We chill and we do that.
Okay, if you don't pick one, you got to drink whatever. Similar
to drink Champs. I don't knowif you ever saw. Yeah, I
love drink Champs. Yeah, drinkChamp. It's called a quick time slim
they do. I want to bemy own spin on it all ob Blitz
because we also do sports, wealso do anything gaming. We do a

(01:01:06):
bunch of different stuff. So Iwanted to hit you with a similar segment,
but with people in your feud,actors, actresses. So you got
to pick either or both. Youcan do both. So we'll start out
simple. Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Oh, Matt Damon, Yeah,
Matt Damon, Yeah, tixa,I tixa Yeah. But Affleck has some

(01:01:30):
good stuff. Though I think he'sa better director than he is an actor.
I don't like him as an actor, but Matt Damon. That Matt
Damon is a solid actor. TheBorn series alone was amazing. Yeah.
Also The Departed Departed is like,yeah, it was that he was in
The Departy. He played really goodin that one. Yeah, all right,
there's some old g's on here,some newer beliefs, some newer heads

(01:01:51):
or there are mostly all olds.Got Sean Penn, Russell Crowe, Russell
Crowe, Okay, chomping out alot of good stuff, but I'll definitely
go Russell. He's just he's justa o g man like, he's just
a rugged like Australian and he hassome really like he has the Gladiator obviously,

(01:02:13):
but he's recently he knows about,you know, one of those like
gay conversion camps where he plays thedad of like this kid who he sends
the He's just he's brilliant. Yeah. I love his role. He was
a cop in what's that movie AmericanGagster j Yeah, he was the cop
and then it was that was damngood. I love that. Yeah.

(01:02:36):
All right. This was a littlebit curveball. If you had to choose
one of these two to narrate yourlife, who would it be Morgan Freeman
or James Earl Jones. Oh,James Earl Jones, hands down, That's
what I said. That's what Isaid. I'm telling my brother that he
was like, No, definitely,Morgan Freeman. No, I mean I
feel like he's the obviously James EarlJones. He's like, people don't realize

(01:02:58):
that man. That man's iconic,moufasa Darth Vader, and he has he
has a theater named after him inon Broadway because he's just he's been doing
theaters since like really thirties or somecrazy ship like that. That man's on
his way out. He's like ninetyyears old. Yeah, he's a legend.
He's a legend. Yeah, let'sgo, but he definitely is a

(01:03:19):
legend. All right'll get some tougherOnes. Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise,
Keanu Keanu, all Right, Iknow some people will definitely disagree with you
on Yeah, I just love anyreason why the matrix or is it?
Like John Wick, he's a he'sa good he's a he's a great actor.

(01:03:40):
I love his like I definitely lovethe the John Wick movies, but
also like he's just a good person. Like you start to see like random
things of like you know, Keanulike he does. Like he's just a
really nice person. He's been througha lot too. I think his like
wife died at some point early inhis life. He's been through a lot
of tragedy and like to come outof that and still like be a strong

(01:04:00):
actor and like people always report thathe's a nice guy Tom Cruise on the
other and people report that he's afucking dick because he probably is a dick
now, Like people who are assholeslike yeah, yeah, yeah that why
why what are we like? We'renot we're pretending to be people like shut
that you're rich. Shut the fuckup, fucking I like love that,

(01:04:21):
Love that all right. Leo DiCaprio. Kevin Spacey, Leo, Leo,
Yeah, Leo, I don't know, man, Kevin Spacey is. He's
one of my favorites. He's definitelypushing my top five. Kevin Spacey's good.

(01:04:41):
I love Kevin Spacey's work. ButI think Leo like everything he's done
lately. I've just been in lovewith like Wolf of Wall Street again that
departed, but also in the Weaponthat he was okay too, but once
upon a time in Hollywood, Ifeel like he's like he finally hit his
like stride and like the real workis starting to come out, and like
it's really it's really nice to seebecause he just feels free. A couple

(01:05:03):
of marvel ones. Jackman, whatwas it? What was the thing?
I didn't hear? Uh? Yeah, Hugh Jackman and Robert Downey Jr.
Oh shit, Hugh Jackman. HughJackman. Is he a better brain than

(01:05:23):
Robert dun Is? I think,well, I think I think Robert down
I think I think Robert Downey Jr. Like because iron Man wasn't as iconic
of of a character as Wolverine was, but Robert down In a jor the
way he played on made him iconic. And now they like any any like
if you see any animated show,like all of those animated versions are modeled

(01:05:46):
after Robert Downey Junior as opposed tolike Wolverine, which was like always like
this like you know, like thisburly like Canadian. But Hugh Jackman is
he's I think he's good. He'sbeen doing the role for like twenty years,
but also he's gotten better and he'ssettled into it. And also he's
he's a Broadway actor, Like he'sa great singer, too, like he
just he does everything like he doeseverything. And also there's that movie he

(01:06:08):
did with Jake Jillenhall Prisoners. Ithink it was called Amazing. He's a
great act you Jackman a solid goodIt's good. He's a good actor.
I do like him, right,Jim Carrey for comedy, Adam Taylor,
Jim Carry hands down, j Adam. I think Adam Tadlor has more I'll

(01:06:35):
say money making movies. If thatthat's the right time to use to make
more money. Yeah, I thinkJim Carrey call Yeah, Jim Carrey at
his height was like I don't thinkwe've ever seen that before where he was
like doing Acevantera. He did dumband dumber like he was he was when
he was hot. I don't knowif anyone's ever reached that before. But

(01:06:55):
Adam Sandler's dope. I mean,what what I really like about Adam Sandler
too, is that he puts histeam on so like if you see his
movies as you know, like you'llsee the same people over and over and
over and over. He's like,you're my boy, come to a movie
with me. I love that.I love that. Yeah, that's awesome.
That's awesome. Intent, yeah kidding. All right, you got Harrison

(01:07:19):
takeod I said, I'm trying toput my team on too for sure.
All right, got Harrison Ford andMel Gibson probably say Harrison Ford. I'm
not like a huge Mel Gibson fan, but Harrison Ford is solid. He's
Han solo. Yeah, iconic,That's that's true. I always forget about

(01:07:42):
that. When I did Harrison Ford, I think Air Force one and The
Fugitive I don't yeah, yeah,also I don't think also Indiana Jones and
he's Han solo, like he's startedlike two classes, right, yeah.
Yeah. Will Smith, Jimmie Fox, Oh, Jamie Fox, Will Smith,
I love that. I love that. I'm gonna have to go because

(01:08:04):
he's so fucking talented. He's ahe did comedy, he's a singer,
and he's an actor. And Ithink I think, like if we're even
just thinking, if we look atlike one on one like biopics, like
Will Smith did Muhammad, he didthe movie A League, and then Jamie
Fox did Ray Ray that movie hisperformance. Yeah yeah, Jamie Fox.

(01:08:28):
All raising I'm definitely raising my tenof all time movies. I can watch
it all time. It's up there. It's Love. I feel like every
biopics since that has been trying tobe that. But it's not like that.
That's that's in the league of itsown. It's hard. It's hard
to be because it was so damngood. I never saw the whole thing
of Ali. I did see likemost of it. Yeah, it's it's

(01:08:51):
just not right. Yeah, butwhat ones? Man, he has a
lot of good ones he does.Yeah, you know, he's a classic
action you know, leave, I'mgonna save these last two for last.
Okay, his next for last togo Semester, Arnold. I have fun

(01:09:11):
with this the other day because meand my brother were talking about it and
I was like, it's definitely Donald, It's Arnold. Yeah. I think
he has more memorable roles and moviesDan Semester, Salmon, Yeah, Terminator
he has, he has twins,he has, I mean even like his
Sillier racer. Yeah. And also, like I I love, I was

(01:09:35):
really into bodybuilding at one point,so like, I just like, he's
the best. He is the mosticonic bodybuilder of all time and to be
able to do that and then he'slike he's just yeah fucking o. G
Yeah, they did kindergarten cop wasawesome. The Way was awesome. Yeah,
yeah, those were both good.Yeah, semester. I think for

(01:09:57):
me, Done really has his ramand Rocky. For me, those are
big one. Any of the otherones, thou jah, those are iconic.
Yeah that's great. There's like fuckinga Rocky movies and now they got
the Creed. Yeah exactly, Yeaha Sean Connery. Christopher Walking, Oh,
Christopher Walking. Yeah, Christopher Walkfucking icon Yeah that's great. Yeah,

(01:10:25):
he's underappreciated. Yeah he is.I honestly like I'd have him narrate
my life too, like if JamesJones can't do it. Yeah, that
would be a good one. Yeah, it would be a good one.
Christopher Walking Classic. Yeah, Iknow who I'm going the next one.
I don't know about you, MarkWahlberg and the Rock Johnson. I'd probably

(01:10:47):
go Wallburg. Really, yeah,I don't. I don't really like Yeah,
why he's such a likable dude.I don't like his movies obviously.
I think is the best wrestler ofall time. I think I think no
one touches him like he has.I think I think like his his mic
skills, like he's just no onecan compare it. It's kind of hot,

(01:11:11):
like every time he comes back,like you could tell he's like head
and shoulders about everyone else. ButI think he's a great wrestler. I'm
not a huge fan of but MarkWahlberg has some really good ones. Like
I mean, he was in TheFighter. He was in he was in
Pain and Gain. Actually with TheRock, he was in a He's just
yeah he was. He's in thatmovie Loan Survivor. I think he has
better movies. Oh really that ofthe Rock has is it Walking Tall,

(01:11:35):
Walking Tall? Yeah, he wasin The Scorpion King. He has a
bunch. Yeah, there's another onethat I like that was a little bit
more serious. He's coming out withone called Okay, Yeah, I think
I know what you're talking about.Can't can't remember what call. He has
one coming out called The Smashing Machine. It's an eight twenty fourm film.

(01:11:56):
A twenty four is a great productioncompany. They've been doing amazing films like
every everything, everywhere, all atonce. But he's playing uh, this
class, this this iconic m thea fighter called chail Son and I believe
so he's I'm excited to see himin that because like I want to see
him in like more serious roles thatthese fucking Disney rolls, because you know
he's making all the money with theDisney rolls. But I want to see
him in like like grittier stuff.Yeah. I won't see if he do

(01:12:21):
that. But it's hard because he'she's so fucking massive. It's just yeah
after a week of working out.Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's crazy
French toast like this big fucking crazy. I mean he's f yeah, yeah,

(01:12:45):
I mean he's a wall Yeah,a couple of a couple of ladies.
Before get into the two heavy hitters, I want to last the other
guys. So Bo Davis Angel theBack said two Goats's definitely Bassett. She's
been doing it longer. She hassome iconic ones. Yeah Bassett. Basket

(01:13:09):
has definitely also had a huge crushon her when I was a kid.
But yeah, bastard for sure.Really Oh yeah, I think she's gorgeous.
Well from what from what movie?Show? What was? I mean?
I just I had a crush onher in general, but like there
was there was I think that themovie What's Love got to do with it?
Where she where? It was herand Laurence Fishburn. I can see

(01:13:30):
the Turner. She was in aVampire in Brooklyn, I believe with Eddie
Murphy. Obviously, like the morerecent like uh Black Panther film. She's
just been doing so much for solong. Yeah, I love how the
Black Panther films also is great.I know which you gonna go on this
one based on what the Queen Landtea for Queen the people got some good

(01:13:59):
ones, you got said it all. Yeah, probably yeah. I probably
do Watifa for sure, because becauseshe did she did a bunch of like
rom coms at one point too,that I thought were fun, like yeah,
yeah, yeah, I think withoutSteve Martin bringing out of the House,
yeah yeah, bringing down the house. Yeah. But I think,
I mean, I think she's ashitty actor. And I worked with her.

(01:14:26):
I worked with her, like,you know, she's she's all right,
but she's not. Yeah. Yeah, that's all you can be honest,
man, It's all good. It'sjust just one opinion. Everybody has
their own opinion. You know.Yeah, she's all right, but she's
a nice person, okay. UmaThurman, Michelle Fifer, Uma Thurman.

(01:14:50):
Yeah, kill Bill yeah, killBill Yeah yeah. Uma Thurman is yes,
and pulp fiction. When I thinkMichelle think. Yeah, I think
Scarface. I think in Greece.It's about it. That's it, all
right. Two of my other crusheswhen I was younger, Julia Roberts,

(01:15:13):
Sandra Billock. Oh, I'd probablydo Sandrew Bullock. Yeah, I don't
think, I think. I meanit's it's probably a toss up between the
two. I don't think I've seenenough of their work and to be like,
oh with this person, But likeI think, I think, I
feel like I've just seen Sandra Bullockand more. Yeah, yeah, I

(01:15:35):
think I've seen more Julie Roberts,so maybe I'll go with her. Yeah.
But Sandra Block was in Speed andSee it was a damn good movie.
Yeah, it was the first one. I mean, not about the
second one. Second, we don'ttalk about we don't talk about the second
one. All right, last twobefore we give you to send off here,

(01:15:56):
let's do it. And I'm sayingthe big one for last. Robert
de Niro al Pacino. Oh mygod, that's a tough point, man.
I don't I don't know. Ihave so many favorite movies to be
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna sayde Niro just because I like so many
more of de Niro's movies. Ithink you know him and Scorsese is a
classic combo. You obviously have Casino, good Fellas, you have more recently,

(01:16:19):
he just did that movie, Killersof the Flower Moon, Killers of
the Flower Moon. Excuse me readthe book that I haven't seen that one
yet. The movie is not asgood as the book. The book is
fucking amazing, but you know it'sit's okay, it's it's a bad movie.
But yeah, he's done, RagingBull, you name it, like
he just has. He has somany more classic even Godfather too, when

(01:16:40):
he plays a young Viatle Corleone.He's he's just he's great. I love
al Pacino too. It's it's hardbecause I fucking love Oh, The Irishman,
where they're both in it and they'reboth amazing. They're both I think
al Pacino in that movie and TheIrishman is better than Robert de Niro is.
He just he plays an amazing JimmyHoffa. But I'd have to give
slight edge to the narrow just becauseI like more movies. It's a tough

(01:17:03):
one. It's a tough one.I mean, I would go de Niro
as well, because he has comedymovies as well, that's right. Yeah,
yeah, the parents funny stuff aswell, So it's like he's hilarious,
yeah, funny. Yeah, anopportunity has been more, you know,
not the same roles, but thesame type of very intense yeah yeah,

(01:17:27):
but yeah, very intense. Yeah, so good. Yeah, I
do. I do love Robert deNiro and I don't love the character.
I love him in it will CubaGooding. I can't think of it Last
Man Standing or something like that.It's the Scooba Diver one with the first

(01:17:47):
Black scuba diver. Yeah, Idon't think I saw it. That was
so good. If you get achance to watch that one. It's Robert
De Niro, cub Gooding Jr.And Cuby Gooding plays the role of the
first black I think Navy Seals diver. Okay, the movie is so good,
you gotta watch it. I'll checkit out. I'll check it out.

(01:18:09):
I don't want I don't want togo into it. I'm gonna watch
a lot of the story. Idon't want to mess it up for anybody
out there or for you, SoI'll check it out, all right.
Last one Denzel Tom Hanks, Ah, Denzel, I don't know much.
I don't like Tom Hanks that much. He's I mean he's I think he's

(01:18:30):
like he plays like a really likenice, like innocent, like you know,
he's good in like Big, he'sgood in like Forrest Gump. You
know he's getting those. But likeDenzel is just oh a matter of fact,
they're in They're in that movie Philadelphiatogether where Tom Hanks has age.
Yeah, it's a good movie.But Denzel Man, Denzel, Denzel is,
Denzel's He's he's cool. That's mynumber one go. But Tom Hanks

(01:18:57):
has Toy Story, he has Castawayfor Yeah. I mean he's got bread,
he's got bred for sure. He'sHe's just not as good as as
Denzel Denzel is like oh man,yeah, yeah, Denzel for sure.
Yeah. Easy. I did aeasy but I'll take that as well.

(01:19:18):
Yeah. Another one, Robed deNiro, Opportuno. They have another movie.
You ever saw Heat? Yes?Oh my god, he is so
good. Yeah, I think that'sthe Heat. They've done four movies together.
They've done The Godfather, but theydidn't have any scenes together because Robert
de Niro was a younger. VideoVito Corleone, so it was it was
like flashbacks. Then they have Heat, but famously in Heat, they only

(01:19:43):
have that one scene together where it'sjust like, you know, I forgot
what they're They're at the fucking dinerand they have that that that I kind
of see ye that it felt likeit was forced, Yeah, well kind
of yeah, but they I watchedmy first Watch movie. Yeah. Then
they have another movie together that theydid. I forgot the name of that

(01:20:04):
one, but that one was likethey I remember they were celebrating it because
it was like, oh, theyhave all these scenes together. It's the
first time that they have all thesescenes together. And then obviously they have
The Irishman too, which is reallygood. But so I think they have
four movies together in total. Ihaven't seen Irishman. Oh my god.
Watch it's not my it's not myNetflix list to watch. Watch so many

(01:20:28):
they're not just good, but likeScorsese is just so good, but like
there's so many great perform Pesci's init too, but there's so many Robert
Robert Duvall's in it. He's good, he's great. There's so many,
so many great performances in that movie. Man, it's I've seen that movie
like probably six times, and it'slike three hours long. It's such a
good movie. Really, like sothere's eighteen hours in my life. Then

(01:20:50):
I'll never get back. I don'tcare. Oh man, it's so okay
with that, Okay with it,man, I'll dedicate what I watch.
I watched twice, and the reasonwhy I won't go back to it is
because Val Kilmer. I don't likeVal Kilmer. Yeah, I put him

(01:21:13):
in the same category for me personallyhas been Diesel. I can't say neither
of the guys. I'm just interested. The acting feels so yeah, and
I'm not an expert obviously, I'mjust a fan, but the acting feel
is just not there. I justthat's the thing though, Like the fan
like that's like just because like Ithink I think it's important. Like like
if a fan, like if afan is just like I really love this,

(01:21:34):
but I'm like, oh, Idon't think it's good. I think
the fan has the has dopper handbecause like ultimately, like that's that's who
the product is made for. Solike I think like the fans like you
guys have like you can have thegut feeling. So like I may be
a snob about it. Other actorsmay be snobs about it, but like
funk, our opinion, it's reallyabout the people who watch it and like
consume it. Like yeah, Imean I'm also a consumer and I watch

(01:21:57):
it as well, but like that, Like so when I'm thinking about it,
like from a fan perspective, likeit means a lot, But I
think I think your your perspective isjust as important. It's not more important
than mine, and and and otherpeople too, because like you, like,
those are the fans. Those arethe numbers of people who by the
take it to stream it. Who'slike, if it doesn't feel good to
you, then that means something.Yeah, yeah, and the fad.

(01:22:19):
I'm probably one of the only onesthat hates the Fast and Furious series.
I stopped watching I like the likethe first two. After that, I
was like, I'm done. Supposedlyit's a rumor, and I hope it's
not true. But supposedly there's arumor for another ten movies. I was

(01:22:39):
like, oh God, please don't, please don't. I mean to keep
keeps group, I'll take that.Yeah, they're paying mortgages. That's insane.
It's something saying. Man, it'sbeen a pleasure, man, I
really have you on here with me. Yeah, man, you're good.

(01:23:00):
Well wishes and keep doing your thing. You're gonna get the whatever you want.
I think you're gonna get it.Man, you've been on a roll.
Appreciate it, man, and it'sgood to see you're from the same
shit guy grew up in. Andit's huge excuse. Man, I'm gonna
come are your success, good luckgoing forward, and again honor for have

(01:23:23):
you on here with me. Iappreciate it, honor to be here,
man, Appreciate it. All right, empty podcast signing out, See you
guys next time. Later bro.Peace, that's going

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