Free Speech Friday! Hour 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hello, my fellow Americans, and good day to our friends
around the world. This is a political talk show here
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or you can ask your smart speaker about us. It
knows as well. Thank you for being here. My name
is Dennis on ar Green. I'll be taking you through
the next two hours with some of my friends here
in studio. This, of course is free speech Friday. Dino
Delay is going to be joining us here in a
little bit. We just got to give him a rest.

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He just got off of two amazing hours of entertainment
bringing on some of his great friends. Hey, you want
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learn more things about entertainment here in the Fox River
Valley today, We've got all kinds of news to be

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talking about. And what we're going to do is we're
going to talk with our panel, our Free Speech Friday panel,
first in this first hour, and then in the second
hour we'll open it up for kind of a free
for all type of discussion. That's here. I really appreciate
you being here. Hello, Zep peerl. I appreciate you being there.

(02:16):
Vance here from the AP, excited to have wrm in
as affiliate started Monday, Man, Vance, I really appreciate you
being there. That is a great thing that we are
announcing to the AP is coming right over to the
to our station here. AP is usually high factuality, mostly

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centered on there, and that's what we're trying to do
is make sure that here on wrm in we are
giving you as many different options for news and possibly
different biases or anything else like that the more. Just
like Jim Jordan, I don't necessarily like the fella, but

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he's got a good point when he says hate speech
needs to be filled with more love speech, and falsities
need to be counteract with truth. So if we use
this platform to be multiple different voices. The truth will
be there, and there's only one truth and multiple falsities.

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We'll start hearing that truth there. Thank you Vance. It
is so great to actually have ap here on WRMN
starting on Monday, along with our along with our new
WRMN morning show that will now be all polished up

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in honor of our one year of being here, one
year of finally being here. And so I'm going to
bring in some friends that I have met over the year,
and they are two people that you all already know
that of course, is to see you Brooks and Elliott Serrano.
Thank you both for being here with me. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, exciting times that's going on here right, I mean
all kinds of different.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Things, riveting.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm still I still can't get over you consider me
a friend. Oh, I learned that last week. I like
that I consider you a friend.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm a friend. I mean like friend of the show,
or a friend of friend of me, friend of you
of me.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'm like, am I like the genie in Aladdin? Or
are you the genie?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh? I don't know, You've got a friend in me.
We'd have to still figure that out. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
He never been a friend, Likene might depend on the day.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's true. Who's granting the wishes? Right?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, and you're in you're jasm oh, I.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Am honored, thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Spot right there, not at all.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I can show you the world.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Let me just show you.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
What we're going to do first is of course we're
going to do our icebreaker because we cannot just jump
right into the seriesness of everything that's here, because trust me,
it's serious. And if you've heard the Wednesday show when
we talked about hyperbole, you will know that I'm gonna
still do it. Sorry, I'm going to still talk in hyperboles.

(05:14):
I'm going to talk to a hyperboles until the cows
come home? In fact, but where did the cows go?
Is my first question? The cows come home? I mean,
where did they go? Where can they go? You know cows,
cows don't go anywhere. They run to the hells not
even they're like, did they take them to the bank?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Maybe take that to the bank.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
They run a raw milk field trip.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Actually, callback call back, folks, you got to really listen
to this show every Friday to get these callbacks.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Hey, what's really cool about it too is you don't
have to just listen every Friday twenty four hours a day.
A political talk show is available to you on your
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any of the other obscure ones. I guess you could
go to the Spotify if you want to, or Apple podcast,

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I guess if you want to go, or that Amazon
or the Google and stuff. But no Podbean or Deezer
or any of those other really really low down it
sounds like you're making up names. I'm not. These are
reason coming from a sprinkler. And then I believe a
tower and a chip.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now is another one, the chat chat chat.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Let's do It free four one one told me that
those were all of the different places to go. So
what we're going to talk about is a question that
has haunted humanity for decades. Does a hot dog qualify
as a sandwich? Sandwich? Purists argue that a filling between
bread defines a sandwich, while skeptics claim the structure is

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all wrong. The answer could change the way we classify
food forever. Bone app Tea from twenty twenty three says
a hot dog is a sandwich the same way cereal
is a soup. It just isn't, Elliott Serrano, Let's bring
that first question in. Is a hot dog truly a sandwich?

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Or is it a category all on its own?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
First, before we get to the hot dog question, I
do want to answer the question of the soup.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
The soup.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, cereal is not a soup. It is not a soup.
It's a suspension. Oh so let's go into chemical terms,
you know, chemistry. It's a suspension, folks. All right, So
boom is a hot dog a sandwich? Can I tell
you something? This is something that I have struggled with.
I'm gonna admit it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I've struggled with this existential crisis.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm telling you when you're sitting there and you're wondering
first about the you know what is mortality when you
think I am a man, I have more years behind
me than ahead of me.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
The Roman Empire and the Roman Empire, the fall, the
you know, late stage capitalism and the singularity, and then
in there, just below the singularity and right above late.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Stage capitalism is the hot dog sandwich. So but here's
the thing, and I it's it's this is an evidence
of change and being sometimes being able to accept that
you're not always right, that you know when you think, no,
this is the way it is, and this is why
it's gotta be. And I'm not changing my mind. And yes,

(08:23):
for the longest time, I said the hot dog is
not a sandwich. I did. I said it, and.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
You've changed, I've changed flopped on it.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Because here's the thing. If a hot dog is not
a sandwich, then a subway sandwich isn't a sandwich.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because it is a sandwich or a taco.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Italian beef Italian beef.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Alone, That's what I mean, the structures, all the structure.
I mean, because everyone says a sandwich is like two loaves,
two slices of bread with the stuff between it, right,
But a HOGI yeah, a sandwich, right, Cecilia, you said
that the Italian beef is a sandwich.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
What about a mini peeb and j What if you
don't want two slices of bred, you just want a
little mini one?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You use?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
What exactly where were you twenty years ago when I
needed someone to say that to me and that would
have changed my mind like that, So.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Let's talk a little bit about tacos.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
You were in kindergartens something like that.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
I was negative one.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So let's talk about pedas or falaffels and things. Are
they just stuffed bread? At that point, it's closer to
a dumpling.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's tough.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
That is that is a good, good question because now
you start thinking about you know, can can say the
pita is that? Okay, it's not a rap? You know
it's not a rap?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is it though? But it's bread?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
But it's not essentially not rapped. It's then you or
unless you cut the pita opening you put the meat inside.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Like a falafel, you like you said, like a falaffel.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I don't know. I say, you know what I say,
if the if the pita wants to call itself a sandwich,
we're in America. It's it should be able to do that.
I'm not gonna I'm not going to pass any laws
saying that it's not.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think it's something. A sandwich is something that if
you turned it a certain way, things would fall out
of it. Right if you if you turned a hot
dog upside down, or a hot dog with the with
not just the hot dog itself, but with the bread,
you turn it a certain way to fall out if
you did it with a pita, you turn it over
to fall out. Yes, a wrap is something that's inside

(10:22):
itself type of thing. But here's the question I have
for you. If we didn't call the hot dog a sandwich,
would it be in its own category or would we
have to bring some sandwiches over with it?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
A half witch?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
A half witch?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, yeah, I would say, so that's and.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Is that because it's it's almost like a sea instead
of two independent pieces.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
I've got to go with a half witch for that
sea type of vibe.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I've eaten enough Italian beef sandwiches to know that that
middle ain't going to stay there forever, so it turned
it exactly? Does it turn into a sandwich after it's
no longer a side?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Are you getting it dipped or dry? If you get
a dip, it's not going to stay.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
A transition piece?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Well?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Or is a sandwich more about how you hold it?
Because if I ate a sandwich with a fork and knife,
would it still be a sandwich? Or is it just life?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You eat it with a fork and knife, you're getting deported.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
I think if you eat the sandwich with a fork
and a knife, it's still a sandwich.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But someone's a little strange a little bit.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I get it. It's serious enough when you have a DiPT,
when you have a like a beef sandwich like dipped,
and you asked them they're really dip it. I mean,
I mean you can eat it with your hands. It's
not going to be a clean affair, but you can
do it. But I mean that makes me think of
the episode of Seinfeld where Danny Tartible, the New York Yankee,
was eating a candy bar with a fork and a knife.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Remember that, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Peoplere like what's going on.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
It's weird certain things. Lumel Natti's pizza. That's that's the reason.
A fork knife like big deep dish. I do a
fork and I but.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is it really pizza or is that casserol?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh, that's steep dish. That is the best.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's a pie. It's like a full on pie.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Then well, let me throw in something else here. Is
a cheesecake really a cake or is it technically a pie?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
This is where I've had the discussion even with the
boss Lady before, and she lands on custard, which I
think is just way out there. It's a good point,
but some pies can be made of custard. But I say,
I say it is a pie. Cheesecake is a pie.
It has a crust, it doesn't have a cake right
the top on top, there's no cake in frosting or

(12:36):
whatever it's I think it's a pie. Cheesecake is a pie.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So it's really cheese pie, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
And I love pies. I love baking pies. I love
consuming pies, all of everything pie.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
So like if you said a cheesecake was a cake,
then that would make lemon meringue or any of the
other key lime. That would make those also cakes.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Right, right, Because I feel like the cheese cake or
part of it is a filling technically.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, so it makes it a pie.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right. I'm a little triggered right now by this conversation
because I've been promised a pie by our own Matt
McNeil for I don't know how long now, pi pie,
No a pie. It was a pecan pie? Or was
it pecan? You were at the party. You were at
Dino's holiday party.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Remember when he promised you?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
People?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's when I was promised a pecan pie. Because apparently
Matt McNeil and his brother Ryan make incredible pies, and
I have yet to get one, so I know Matt.
I don't know if he's still here or visiting the office,
but I'm calling him out right now. I'm still waiting
for my pie.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
That's why you get a text her bright. So that
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Hope you enjoyed it. If you've got a answer or
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and leave us a drop on the old YouTube side
over there. Let us know. Is a hot dog a sandwich?

(14:24):
I think it is. I think it's a sandwich. I
think we've all can sensed it. I'd agree.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
But if it's not a sandwich, then what is it?
Because I don't know. I need to know what the
classification is.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yeah, transitional half witch, that's a half witch.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, not a sandwich, but a half witch?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, sandwich?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Or why is there no sand in a sandwich?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
You take it to the beach, right?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Why? And there's no guy and there's no ham in
a hamburger.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
But which witch came from?

Speaker 8 (14:48):
Where?

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
The earl?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Which witch would witch? If you could witch.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
From the earl of sandwich?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Peter Piper.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
So let's get into some of our political stuff. And
this way we can get right into our first question.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I'm I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Now let's say a political all the time. So, the
White House Press Corps plays a crucial role in American democracy,
serving as a primary conduit between the presidency and the public.
Journalists assigned to cover the White House have a unique
responsibility to ask tough questions, challenge official narratives, and ensure
transparency of governance. In recent years, the rise of digital

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media increased political polarization, so you say that six times fast,
and concerns about misinformation have reshaped the press corps. While
some argue that journalists provide a vital check on executive power,
others claim the media can be biased or even adversarial. Additionally,

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the White House's approach to press briefings, access restrictions and
the other and use of alternative communication platforms such as
social media, have also raised questions about the future of
political journalism. So let's talk about this right off the bat.
The press corps is not just here to report, it

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is here to question power. This dynamic has fueled both
groundbreaking journalism and heated conflicts between reporters and administrations. This
is the Columbia Journalism Review. So, now, what we've seen
so far is that the White House is now in
charge of who is going to be at the White

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House briefings. It is no longer the White House Press Corps,
which the press all decided together who was going to
be on there, And just to kind of give everybody
out there a kind of peek behind the curtain, what
ends up happening is there's only so many chairs in
that room, so based off of availability and staffing, the

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whole White House Press Corps decides who sits in those
chairs together. Now, what's going to end up happening is
the I almost said Kelly mcininny, it's the other one,
laur Caroline Levitt, thank you. They have now decided that
they get to decide what who is there for the

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press core. Is this something that is a little bit
more controlled chaos now or is this apparent biasedness, Cecilia,
I'll let you go first.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Apparent biasedness. Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
I think that it's really sad that the White House
administration has taken a step to, I guess, in a
way deter other people from other journalists from having an
accessibility to what's going on in the White House. I
think that the American public has a right to know.
And I would say that again even if it were
the Biden administration, I would say the same thing. I

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think that it's really important we have accessibility and transparency
for the public.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Do you think it's a thin skinned move of that
you can't take now? We could always say at the
serial side, right or combative or things like that. Do
you think this is a protection of not necessarily the truth,
but a protection from criticism?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Potentially?

Speaker 5 (18:11):
I could see how it could become that, and I
again and would say that that's wrong. I don't think
that we should be being kind of deflective of criticism,
especially if for a current presidential administration. I think that
even the difficult questions are ones that are necessary.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Okay, Elliott, your thoughts on this. We've got people that
are supposed to be interviewed and fact checked deciding who
actually gets to interview and fact check them.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
All Right, So I will lead this off by saying,
just for in the sake of fairness, what this current
administration is doing, while it breaks the norm, it's not illegal.
So they're not breaking any laws. Yeah, and trust me,
I've seen. I've watched enough and even I'm talking even
before the Trump administration. I' talk abou dream Biden administration
to new Bomba administration. There are times when I'm like,

(19:04):
why are they letting so and so from said, you know,
outlet in there? Because all they're doing in there is
just just being about whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
That's not nice. Peter Doocey is a nice guy. I'll
tell you.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I do love that matter, because I'm telling you right now,
if you're sitting there going well, the president has every
right to not have whoever he wants in the room,
then fine you want to say that, Fine, but remember
the next time a president you don't care for has
the room and then he doesn't let your like let's say,
banded Fox News from the White House for whatever, don't

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complain at that point, don't don't start crying foul. But
on the other end, and I will say the other
hand too, you know, it's it's it's a numbers thing,
and all these outlets are competing with each other, and
it's not like they and they talk about wanting to
get the truth and get the thing out and challenge whatever.
You know, you sit there and you look at all

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the different outlets, They're all pretty much saying the same thing.
So I'm like, if it was like someone really giving
me some insight, insight into what's going on and telling
me what's going.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Then I'd be like, oh, that's wrong. But I think,
especially with this administration too, I don't think there is
as much of a challenge as it was with the
Biden press secretary and things like that. It was incredibly
adversarial at that, which surprises me.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
It surprises me that the Trump administration is so adversarial
considering they.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are a product of media.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That surprised me the first time through into twenty sixteen
on how incredibly inept it seemed that this administration was
with media.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
My thought was, man, these guys.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Are so good with television and working with people in
the media that they're going to be able to get
everything through and schmooze everyone and get the da da
and no one's going to have a problem. And I'm
telling you, Bam, right from the get go, it's like, well,
the fake news this and the fake news that, and
I'm like, yo, just just like playcate them, give them
stuff then and be nice, play nice with the media.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
They love you, they would love you. That's what all
the media folks want.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
They will love you, I mean, and and yet they
make more headaches for themselves than is worth.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Absolutely, Cecilia, Yeah, I would have to agree with Elliott
on that.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I especially.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
You forgot to say. I can't believe.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but no,
definitely I'm gonna I'm gonna have to agree with Elliott
on that. It definitely shocked me too, coming from the
Trump administration because I think the left mainstream I would say,
the leftist biased mainstream meter wasn't necessarily a fan. But
again that's going to be that both one side versus
the other type of thing.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And they hammered Biden, I mean, Biden got hammered all
the time, even by both sides.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
He absolutely did, which is why I'm not advocating for
in favor of the right just because it's my side,
which again is wrong thinking. But just because it's my
side doesn't mean I.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Would say, you're not saying the right is wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm not saying, well, I'm going to take this clip out.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
But what my thinking is is that it should be
fair for both sides. I think that the Biden administration,
if they were to have latch, even if it were
a left hand administration versus a right I think that
the rules should stay the same.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Exactly is there a let's say, just in this side
of it, is it perceived now that the Trump administration
can't take the same criticism that the Biden administration could,
can I now infer that now that you are kind
of removing.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
The Unfortunately, it's all a perception issue, and that's a
big thing. And whether it's sure, it's not. They say,
perception is reality. Trump has always come across as incredibly
thin skinned. Even his supporters will say, yeah, he's got
rabbit ears. It's like everything. He takes everything personally. If
you give if you say a question him, well, that

(22:54):
was a very nasty question. It was very mean the
way you said that.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, we'll talk about him and President Zelenski later.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
But for this administration.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
But I definitely have to say President Trump has the
opportunity in the ability to break barriers. Yes, four years
from now, such of great things, but that ego is
going to get in his way.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And that's really only time we'll take.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And the early then the dementia that's starting to.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Sit in, Yeah, we'll see that. But we got to
see the tests the same way, the same way that
we saw a test with Biden. But we'll see if
if doctor feel good, we'll be administering the test again.
This time you're listening to a political talk show here
on WRMN. We're going to see if we can come
up with a unbiased way to decide who's in the

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House announced it would take over the selection of journalists
allowed in the press Pool, a role traditionally held by
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the administration, raising alarms about potential bias and suppression of
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the long established precedent of journalists determining who participates in
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(29:50):
for this show, we'll let you stab at it first.
And do you think this sets the precedent or do
you think that the Republicans are just leaning on the
Democrats to quote, do the right thing as far as
when they finally take it, because I mean, the Republicans
can't be in charge forever, right, Eventually there will be

(30:12):
another person there, you.

Speaker 15 (30:14):
Mean, instead of the next administration going and taking that
baton exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, Well, are they hoping that the moral high ground
that the Democrats claim to have will be what they
what they lean on? Yeah?

Speaker 15 (30:31):
I mean, when you're talking specifically about access to press
and things like that, I mean, it is correct that
you know they control that, and it's been that way
every administration. That's the reason why these norms exist because
you know, normally you just wouldn't do something that makes
you unpopular, very unpopular, and you wouldn't do something that's

(30:54):
against the norm and it basically just gives your hand
away perception wise. So I think it would be a
pretty easy ball to pick up for the Democrats as
far as you know, just being more opening up access again.
I think that if you're putting the impetus on them

(31:15):
to quote go back to I mean, it's like saying,
you know, make the press free again.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So well, Elliott, is this a something that the Democrats
will keep or do you think that when they do
take back over, this is an easy w by putting
this back in.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Man, that's a good question. And I am on the
fence to be honest about that. If they should, whether
they even should, yeah, or like, here's the thing, because
we learned this in after after the first Trump Trump
one point zero, right, did a lot of stuff, broke
a lot of norms, right, and then when Biden took office,

(31:56):
they tried to re establish a lot of.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Ship I have to hear one more time about the parliamentarian,
I'll pull my overcorrection, right.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
But even even with that, it's like talking about just
specifically the media, right when they had when Jill Sak
went in and had that first you know, big thing
that after COVID and all that, or during COVID, da
da da, and everyone's applauding, oh yeah, we're back to
the way things are, da da. But how did that
help at all when it came to working with the
media getting the message out there. It did nothing, to

(32:27):
be honest. If anything, there were times when, again the
there were some members of the press that were incredibly
contentious with the Biden administration, and all you heard was
that when the squeaky wheel, squeaky wheel, squeaky wheel. So
I'm they're going, well, you know, when the Democrats get
back in, hey, you know it's about media and controlling
the message. So heck, if we're gonna if again, if

(32:50):
the Republicans are going to go, hey, it's okay when
our guide does it. They can't complain when your guy
does it, and it might be to the benefit, they
can't complain, but they will. So I mean, hypocrisy has
never been an issue. I mean, at this point, it's
just all about the hypocrisy, and which is just it
just gets in the way, because there are a lot

(33:10):
of times really good points are made, but the hypocrisy
of it just just blow. It just gets in the
way of whatever the point is.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Cecilia, with these two perceived sides of controlling the press
corps versus kind of letting them do whatever they want to,
it almost seems as if if you let the White
House Correspondence Association choose, you're almost like showing a little

(33:39):
bit of weakness for it almost perceived because blood in
the water, like you were saying with Elliott, for everybody
competing with each other. So if I let them do
whatever they want to, then they are able to get
the sound bites and the doucy gotcha's type of things

(33:59):
out there. But having a control over the White House
core shows maybe a little bit more strength, and maybe
that's why they have that resistance. Is this what we're
starting to see here and why the press corps went
after Biden harder than they're going after Trump.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
I think we're seeing a little bit of I think
we're seeing a little bit of all of that. I
think that right now, what the most important thing is
is that the American people are able to have their information,
receive that unrestricted straight from the White House themselves and
with a liaison.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
And I think that it's very important you.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Talk about also the social media aspect of it too,
because we get more tweets than we get answers from
the actual press secretary.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
And I think the most important part other than that
transparency and that accessibility is also to kind of what
Ben touched on freedom of the press. I mean, what
Elliott said is correct, this is not technically illegal, but
it I guess my question or concern, and again I
would say this, regardless of the administration at hand, is

(35:07):
we're getting a step towards closer eliminating freedom of the
press or at least infringing on those rights.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm not saying we are right now, but I think.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
That we need to be strategic and the Trump administration
needs to be smart about how that is perceived.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, freedom of the press is one thing, freedom of
access to the president. I think maybe the other argument
to it, right is I'm the president. I get to
decide who's going to be here, whether or not if
you want to go outside and report on me, all
you want to then go ahead.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
If we're being honest. It's always been that way. But
it's just a perception issue, you know. It's you know,
people who ask the wrong questions don't get us back
to the press conference. It's always been that way.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And so should it be a independent side of it
or should it be strike one, strike two, strike three?
You're making me look bad? Get kick Rocks Elliott. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Remember remember remember when Helen Thomas was the voice that
that drove every every press secretary nuts, Sweet little Helen
Thomas asking her questions that uh boy, and she was
she didn't yell, she wasn't tell.

Speaker 15 (36:23):
Me of this, Helen Thomas, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
She was like me, shall sendor like she got like
what years real good, golly, fifteen seventies maybe.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Seventies, eighties. She'd made it through Bush, the first Bush.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Oh okay, so they're not put it at the eighties.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, research, so she was again that the joke was,
oh no, it's Helen Thomas asking that question again. And yeah,
people were like there were some folks that man, why
are they letting her in here? Because he was being
she would be sitting right there in front and she
was always asking the question that would make the Press
secretary go nuts, and it's look, get how far we've come?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Sounds a lot. Well, yeah, we now have a different
name is Doocey was there and now we don't have anybody. Honestly,
there's nobody who's really out there. AP only just said
we're an international. Oh by the way, welcome AP.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yes, thank you AP, thanks for joining the We're glad
they came up. It's great. They were in the AP club.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Now we are. We are in the AP club and
you listen to them weekdays. In fact, I couldn't get
full twenty four hours. They don't do full twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
But I'm sorry, but you did have an original question.
Can you repeat that? Please?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes? Is there a better way? Should it be the
third party of the WHCA that decides this or I
can't get past that that's the Wickens that are out there,
the White House Correspondence Association, Or should this go more
towards maybe a rating system where it is completely independent,

(37:57):
Like I can say, here's a third party, independent whatever,
but are they really independent? If you turn around and
you say, look, we're just going to take it from
the ratings of the American people, then maybe you do
it that way.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
To me, it's back to the issue of should they
have access or should the White House aside or not.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's all back to this.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Let's say the White House says, we don't want to
do any we just don't want to do any more
press conferences. We're closing the press cord down, no more interviews.
Don't guess what. Then you're the press. You can get
your sources any other way, and you get to spin
the narrative any way you want. So it's again beyond
me that this particular administration, which is story or everyone

(38:39):
gives them so much credit for being able to deal
with the media that they just can't seem to figure
out how to get their narrative across. So and and
it's really has evolved over time. I mean, there was
a time, I mean, there was a time when there
was no White House Press Corps. Yeah, you know, I'm
trying to remember who was Roosevelta Truman who started with
the just having the press in the White House.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Truman was the first one to be on television, so
I could.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
But there was there were there, there were newspaper reporters before.
I mean there was a time when the reporters could
just walk through the halls of the White House.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
So it has evolved over time. So it's not like, again,
it's in the constitution that you have to have a
White House press corps. It's again, it's a norm that's
been established and evolved over time. And I don't see
why they make it so difficult. And I'm talking about
I'm talking about both sites.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's team team politics.

Speaker 15 (39:33):
I mean, if I could just piggyback off that, I
feel like for me, it comes down to credibility. Like
everybody who is quote, to use a phrase, the opposition
or the opposition party is not going to consider the
press corps that's been accepted in the White House as

(39:55):
credible and vice versa. And it's just basically, you know,
oil and vinegar as American politics has turned into.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, but that makes a salad dressing, which is very health.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yes, it's there, so soon us What do you think
about this of where can we make it fair If
it's obviously perceived that it is perception reality right is there?
And the Trump administration perceives the press cores and the
press in general to be biased against him, and I

(40:32):
don't know why that is, considering that Fox News is
the number one news source for most Americans and has
the highest ratings for things.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Most No longer it's it's mainstream media, folks. If you
don't think it's mainstream, it's mainstream.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah. But to have that perception and then put it
like this is is there a way to sidestep the perception,
like if we went more towards ratings or more towards
I don't know, a general rotation system. Would that kind
of remove some of that perceived bias.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I think it would remove some of the perceived bias,
but then it would look again in a sense.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Of different type of control.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Okay, So I think the best case scenario would be
to make it make it free for all of the press,
even the ones that are put to supposedly unbiased crazy
room correct and if anything, what they could do if
the Trump administration doesn't like it, because I have to
say with Elliott, they would be on fire with even
some of those sound bits, and maybe some of them would.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Be in a Shadden negative light.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Of course that's going to happen with any administration, but
right there also could get some great things that come
out of that, and I think that that's a way
that they need to kind of spin that as well.
I would stress the importance though, of always both types
of reporters on left and right, of always behaving professionally,
cordially and respectfully while in the press in the White
House press conference room. But what I will say is

(42:00):
that I think that even they could let everybody in
and maybe even just make seating charts. You don't like
somebody as much, make them sit in the.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Back, but let them in.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, So so give them the control of the seating
charts so that you can put a back as well.

Speaker 15 (42:13):
Thats fair bullying, right, the kind of bias that you
would expect American bias then, but not really.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, and the thing too, but people don't realize if
you're sitting in the press room and they don't call
on you, you don't you don't get to ask a question.
Now they're in complete control of who asks questions. So
if you don't like what the AP is asking, you
just don't call on that.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So is that where they're they're taking it to the
point where now I can't ask why did you not
call on AP for the last two months? That that
kind of thing. If AP is not there, then they
don't get the criticism of you don't take questions from
those people.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Back to the point of how they are flubbing this
whole thing. I mean, again, you don't like what AP
is saying. I mean for them to come out and
say AP is lying and that's why we're they're not here,
that was ridiculous. So you just have you have AP
in the room, but you say, okay, you can't have
your four guys in here anymore. You're down the one.
We only have so many reporters. And they did do
that again in twenty sixteen. Remember the big thing was, oh,

(43:13):
they're not using the press room anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
They moved it to.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
That other area that they because they wanted to have
more outlets there.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
They sit two seats and empty seats out or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And Okay, I believe, I can't believe I'm going to
say this, but I'm actually going to give the Trump
administration credit for letting in more outlets. We're talking some
that aren't as big. And yeah, a lot of online
I mean influencers were in the room. You know, a
lot of social media folks were in the room. Are
they entirely I mean, are they Do they merit it?

(43:47):
Maybe maybe not? Are they entirely credible? Maybe maybe not.
But that's the whole thing about having the freedom of
the press, that everyone gets a shot to be in
that room. So again, I will give them credit for that.
Can't believe that they have to do this whole thing
because we're still talking about the AP and all they
had to do.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Was just saying we're not calling on them. Yeah, Ben,
is this part of part of I guess media transition
as well. Digital media is becoming the new king of
media right now. Prant was taken over by radio, radio,
by television, television, by the Internet, and here we.

Speaker 15 (44:26):
Go FBI by Dan Bongino exactly, and that's where we
get So is that is that a new change?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Is this why they're able to choose who they want
to because new media is coming in so much and
we don't have necessarily the White House Correspondence Association inviting
those people over for new media because they want to
keep the television radio purism.

Speaker 15 (44:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And this is where the right
has absolutely pummeled the left, especially in the last election,
reaching out to that new media and really getting those
over the top digital influencer interviews and embracing that side
of it. I mean, you see the the PR stunt

(45:20):
with the social influencers just the other day with the
first phase of the Epstein files being released, and it
seems like they're really utilizing that sector of media and
pushing it towards the new norm, which I mean it.
They're not really pushing it, but writing it. I guess

(45:40):
I would say more so.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
We've got the Dutchmen coming in it, says I was
watching the news conference from the White House. Old We'll
get to that in the second hour, buddy, We'll get
to that one. It's I'm curious agree with you as well.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Hold on to that because I want to know what
the Yeah, I definitely want to know what.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I hope he calls in for. He also says that
wasn't right. He also said the Republicans have screwed up
on this one with as far as that go.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
With that, Cecilia talk about some of the ap or
we're talking about what happened kind of a little bit
of both with the press in general.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Yeah, I think that with the Trump administration and even
how we saw with the Trump campaign, they really were
able to spend things in a positive like even the
worst of the worst, right, and so knowing that they
have the ability to do that, I do think they
shot themselves in the foot with this one because it
was kind of an unnecessary move. It was unprecedented for sure,

(46:37):
not illegal by any means, but I think that they
absolutely could have handled that, and so I think that
they should maybe hopefully rethink the decision in the future.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
But I guess only time will tell.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
What's the what's the rectification? How do if they screwed
up with this or what's the received side? Do they
just say, look, sorry, we had the feud and they
re establish it or do they double down like they usually?

Speaker 5 (47:03):
I think the right thing to do in the eyes
of the American public would say, hey, we thought that
this was the best move, it wasn't and for the
sake of transparency, we'll do this for all the people of.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
All the maybe the right mode right now, give me
the right to move.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Unfortunately, those two things are not the same thing at
this moment in time, which is a little disheartening for me.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, you've got you've got representatives now who are
not going to do town halls anymore because they don't
want to be yelled at.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah let's go into that just a little bit, and
that's not okay, and then screamed at by anybody sucks
in that, especially mob mentality for it. Now, Speaker Johnson
has alleged that these were people who were left wing
organizers or whatever. Nowhere in there did I say not?

(47:50):
Did I hear not? Constituents. So whether or not they're
left or right or whatever, these people are constituents. So
they deserve to be there, and they just so happened
to organize and get there a little bit earlier than
anybody else, if that's what they believe. But we are
starting to see not only in the town halls, but
even in social media, we're starting to see where is

(48:12):
the transparency, where is the accountability? And it's almost like
people are finally starting to get to this. Please speak
on it a little, Cecilia.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Well, it's unfortunate because it is going to shed a
negative light on the Republican Party and on Republican leaders
because now, back to what these gentlemen had said earlier,
it is up to perception and it's about that and
what this is going to give a perception of the
American public is unfortunately we don't take questions or we

(48:43):
won't take certain questions. And I will admit that we
need to bring a sense of humanity back and understand
that these are still constituents, are not They do need
to behave professionally and respectfully, and yes they have a
right to be there. But going forward, I think that
we really just need to have not no more rules
for the and not for me, rules for everyone.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Goose and gander, that's that's there, and kettlet and kettle
absolutely all kinds of different cool coyalisms. But don't stay
don't stay away from that hyperbole and propaganda. Stay away
from it. Then with this type of of of now
precedent that's here, can a establishment survive four years without criticism?

Speaker 16 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (49:33):
Not without just being hyper unfair?

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Is it a different government? If?

Speaker 7 (49:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
If it's it's one of those adages that if you
want to know who's in charge, look to who you're
not allowed to criticize? For sure? So is would they
be able to survive without taking at least some of
those criticisms or at least those questions, those those hey,
where did you find these type of pressing questions.

Speaker 15 (50:03):
It really like, I think what they're what's happening now
is you know, it's it's hard to point to anything.
You saw the budget being passed, so that's one giant
thing to point to as far as the effects that
the what they're doing is having. So I mean, really,
at the end of the day, you could only tell somebody,
you can only blow smoke up somebody's rear end until

(50:26):
they I don't know, don't well, aren't a person anymore
if they're not sustained by they're not getting anything from you.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Well, if I don't test for COVID, then I can't
find COVID exactly. If you don't ask me hard questions,
then I can't give you wrong answers. That seems it
seems pretty pretty rich some going.

Speaker 15 (50:46):
At some point you're frustrated, So then that's just a
human emotion. So like you'll see that, but please.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Right, and being frustrated is okay, And having these difficult
questions I think is.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Part of the process.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
That's what I'm advocating for, is just the transparency, that
accountability and really what I think, I think what I
would say, other than unprecedented, I would describe this move
as and I'm usually the last person to say this,
but a little bordering on a little extreme or at
least potentially opening the doors for something more extreme to

(51:22):
come in. And that's a little bit something that I
would not like to see.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I would like to see that, undone.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Elliott, where's the next red flag? What should we be
looking for? If this is the first step of kind
of bullying the press, what's the next step the next
red flag?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
No, it's here already. It's bullying the public. I mean
it's again the Republican Party, at least on a national level,
has decided that they don't want to deal with any blowback.
It's out there. They don't want to deal with the blowback.
They've said, we're going to stop doing this because they
can't get their message being straight and convince the American

(52:02):
public that what they're doing is right. After that, I mean,
the next red flag is taxation or I'm sorry, tax
cuts without representation.

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I was reclining my seat right now.

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Speaker 16 (54:09):
High profile companies like Starbucks and Facebook's parent company Meta,
they've already announced job cuts this year. Somethink that this
week's spike in unemployment could be because of those corporate
layoffs and severe winter weather. In the coming weeks, economists
should be able to tell what, if any impact those
federal layoffs had on these numbers.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Consumer confidence numbers have dropped by the most since August
of twenty twenty one. Americans are growing more pessimistic about
the future of the economy with inflation and President Trump's tariffs.
Top of Mind files regarding Jeffrey Epstein released by the
Justice Department revealed no new bombshells. News Nations Tom Dempsey

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reports at least one lawmaker isn't happy with the slow
drip of information.

Speaker 19 (54:57):
Representative Anna Paulina Luna. She's a Republican from Flora. She
posted to acts and voicing some outrage with this, saying
this is not what we or the American people asked for.
Get us the information we asked for instead of leaking
old information to the press. More than three hundred pages
of newly declassified documents contain information like Epstein's contact list,

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flight logs for his private plane, and a list of
victims names and phone numbers.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
The DOJ said that the files will be released in phases.
Attorney General Pam Bondi called for the release of all documents,
calling on the FBI to have them by her Today.
For WRMN news, I'm Dennis Green.

Speaker 15 (55:38):
WRMN News, produced in Studio fourteen by the River Media Network.

Speaker 20 (55:48):
From the pages of the Elgin newspapers of one hundred
years ago. Today these are the headlines brought to by
the Elgin History Museum.

Speaker 21 (55:56):
I am Trisia Grosser and this is what was happening
in Elgin one hundred years ago. February twenty eighth, The Courier,
prompted by that progressive spirit which has builded a great
circulation of almost twelve thousand daily, gladly joins the Elgin
Merchants Association in endorsing Dollar Day Saturday this week. Elgiain
Merchants have assured the Courier that the items offered are values,

(56:19):
genuine and most worthy of the sincere consideration of everyone. Hence,
it is with this information that the Courier urges its
readers to save money by shopping an Elgin this Saturday.
A dollar saved is a dollar earned. Make the Elgin
Business District your headquarters this Dollar Day. CFA Hall located
at sixty two Growth aver Nude advertised newly created styles

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of house dresses worthy of particular notice, all sizes from
regular to stout. The customer was assured that none of
the dresses were cheap or flimsy, and at the price
of a dollar will vanish like Snow. Space Company assured
customers that extra salespeople had been engaged for Dollar Day
so that the high standards of service could be maintained.

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Advertisements stated that once and needs would be quickly and
courteously supplied, However, no phone orders. Months and Lee Company,
a wholesale and retail hardware and builder's supply store on
Brook Street, offered countless products from Lavatory faucets, to fishing line,
to furnish shovels for a dollar each, and anyone purchasing

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a Mazda electric light bulb would get a free glider
for their kiddy.

Speaker 20 (57:30):
Elgin one hundred years Ago is a presentation of the
Elgin History Museum. Be sure to visit the museum, located
at three sixty Park Street and Elgin, open Wednesday through Saturdays,
eleven to four. You may also listened to Elgin one
hundred years Ago at www dot elginhistory dot org.

Speaker 14 (57:47):
This is Sarah Silver with your Fox Valley forecast.

Speaker 9 (57:50):
This afternoon mostly sunny with a high near fifty seven,
windy with gusts up to fifty miles per hour. Tonight
a slight chance of rain showers before or eight pm,
then a slight chance of snow showers.

Speaker 14 (58:03):
Mostly cloudy with a low around twel