Tax history Hr1

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I hope you have filed already. I hope you have

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already talked to somebody. I hope you already have at
least gotten your paperwork all put together. It is a
monetary Monday as well, so we're going to talk about
the sixteenth Amendment, all about that income tax. It's been

(01:59):
over a hundred years since it has been here and
it has been a giant thorn in everybody's side. Hello Brandon,
thanks for listening. Good to see you there on the YouTube.
Already got people jumping in on that side. Sixteenth Amendment
came around and we decided to start giving some money together.

(02:25):
We started to collectively send things in. We'll talk about
how the founding fathers had a founding funding vision, the
whole no taxation with that representation aspect of it. How
did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, they all knew

(02:50):
that money needed to be raised for a federal government.
The federalist especially the ones that wanted more federal control
than the Democratic Republicans.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
So we'll talk about that as well.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And then we'll also break down tax structure. What's a
flat tax, what's a progressive tax? What do we have
here in America? Because that's the only way that you
can have an opinion on it. Right if you say, oh, well,
progressive tax is better, or if flat tax is better,

(03:28):
or we just need to put sales tax and shouldn't
have any income tax at all, you should be informed
at least in the different styles. So in a political
talk show fashion, we will let you know what we have,
what's out there, and what type of systems are out
there where the founding fathers believed.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
The federal government should take everything. And of course what
did the.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
American people we'll put together in nineteen thirteen and ratified
for the sixteenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
That's been such a headache for us, right.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Can you imagine a political system where they don't talk
about income tax on it?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Tax cuts?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Hey, Pat, good to see you there, Thanks for being here.
If there's time, what we'll do is we'll open up
the phone lines like we do towards the end of
the show, and we will maybe talk about tariffs or
talk about any of the other things that are going on.
Tomorrow is Tech Tuesday, and of course the day last

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day for filing. There are some post offices I think
that will be open up for extended hours. You do,
if you are filing by mail, do have to have
that stamp for the day. When I was in high school,
I did a report on tax Day at a post

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office that stayed all the way open until midnight, just
to make sure everybody could get that stamp on there.
Of course, this was the early odds, so there wasn't
as easily to be filed as there is now as
many different free places that are out there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Tomorrow we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
We'll talk about how the tech industry decided how we
should all file and how to file in case you haven't.
That'll be uh, that'll be my reminder to you to
do your civic duty on putting it back. One question
I do want to ask you all and see if

(05:45):
I can get some feedback on that. You can reach
out to me on the text line five zero five
nine two six fourteen ten. You can also send me
an email Sonar at WRMN fourteen ten dot com. And
one question I would like to ask you.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Is, if you knew.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
The fall of the USSR was happening, would you have
filed your taxes?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Would you have.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Would you have paid the federal government that probably wouldn't
have been around. I mean, I think it only took
about three years, somewhere around ninety two to ninety five
for the USSR to start breaking down. Would you have
started to pay your taxes on that? Pat comes in, Hey, Brennan,

(06:48):
it's an E at the end of my name for Green.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's good to see you.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Pat comes in and says back twenty five years ago.
I recall driving downtown to Chicago about ten o'clock at
night because I didn't make it to the Elgin Post
Office prior to them stopping, and I was worried about
getting it in on the fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's very true, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
One year I had to quickly get in a extension.
You can extend it. You can also extend it online
as well. It gives you another six months. You do
have to file again on October. But here is the
catch on that. If you owe money, it's still due

(07:33):
on the fifteenth. So whether or not you want to
file for that extension or not, the extension is for filing.
The extension isn't for paying, it's for filing. So if
you want, are one of the lucky few that maybe
get a surplus, and we can talk a little bit

(07:54):
about that tomorrow when we talk about filing, filing electronically,
because we want to start bringing back that Tech Tuesday,
start talking about the future, talking about where we are.
I think the last Tech Tuesday we actually got to
do before the candidates started rolling back in. I think

(08:15):
it was techno Feudalism still podcasted out on the feed
on your favorite podcasting platform. Thanks for that story, Pat.
I'm sure tomorrow they're going to have all kinds of
different things. The post office that I studied or did
my project on, they actually had a car line where

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somebody was going down with a stamp down the car
line taking people's people's envelopes and they're different things that
needed to get mailed out, and that postal worker was
just walking down the line. I'm grabbing, grabbing things and
stamping and grabbing and stamping. So they knew what they

(09:05):
were doing. It wasn't their first time, but my goodness,
was it wild closer, you know, towards at eleven thirty
or so people as I think the way they did
it was as long as you were in line, you
were still there at the at the time. So when
at the time cut off and they looked at somebody
and said, you're the last one, and the look on

(09:28):
everybody's faces that were just a block away running in
h But I hope you got everything done. I hope
you filed. Let me know what you would do if
you saw the USSR crumbling? Would you add to it
by not filing, by not paying? I guess at that

(09:50):
point it would be a race. It's the race between
uh them coming after you and you a country being around.
So today we're going to talk about the sixteenth Amendment,
ratified in nineteen thirteen.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
We're going to talk.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
About the founding fathers, what they thought about taxation and
how it should be derived from the people, or from
the tariffs, or from from just internal trade. And then
we'll talk about the different types of income tax, flat

(10:31):
tax versus progressive versus our tax structure. Is it flat,
is it progressive? Is it a mix?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Is it something only American unique?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
We we'll find about that here on a political talk
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Pat comes in with do personnel Do military personnel get
any type of automatic extension until they reach home? Yes,
military members deployed in combat zones or in other operations,
they're granted automatic extension. This extension covers the duration of

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the employment, so you don't even have to file while
you're employed or deployed. And then an additional one and
eighty days after leaving the combat zone. They also get
tax exempt in certain places as well. So that is

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a good reason why a lot of people actually redeploy
when they're actually in or re enlist while they're in
combat zones, because a lot of times specialties will get
bonuses for re enlisting because of their specialty or because

(16:10):
of how many years they have their position, et cetera,
et cetera, they'll get a bonus. And if they re
enlist during that tax free side and get that bonus,
that bonus is not taxed. So that's why there's a
lot of people that re enlist while they're in theater.

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But it is good to always check filing deadlines for
your particular situation. You want to make sure that you
don't that you don't assume, right, there's a lot of
things in the government that assumption will.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Get you in a lot of trouble. What is it.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Ignorance of the law does not protect you protect you
from it. Speeding Know how fast it was or how
fast I was going. Yeah, well it's still the speeding.
Is the speeding the speed limit. So we're talking about
taxes today here on sixteenth Amendments Day Eve. Now I

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don't believe that is actually the day it was ratified.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's the day that we just enforced the sixteenth Amendment, and.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Nineteen thirteen was the year. It was a turning point
in American fiscal policy.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
We moved.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
From not having any kind of levy in the income tax.
If you look at Article one, Section nine of the Constitution,
no capitation or other direct tax shall be laid unless
the proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed

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to be taken. But this clause did. It restricted federal
direct taxes and enforced reliance on indirect forms until the
sixteenth Amendment showed up and the sixteenth Amendment changed that.
So that's the way that our constitution works is we

(18:19):
look at the amendments as they go, and I think
as far as any of the other amendments and things,
this is really the only one that kind of has
I wouldn't necessarily say a contradiction in it. Congress still
can't directly just say give me some money. They do

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have to pass some sort of law or have to
use the sixteenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
With that.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Before the sixteenth Amendment, the federal government relied on tariffs,
exercised taxes, and actually land sales.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sell land. Government owned a whole bunch of it.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
It bought it from a whole bunch of different countries,
sold it back out.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Constitution originally prohibited prohibited the direct taxes unless apported by
the state population. So what that would be is it
would tax the state and then the state would figure
out how to divvy it up from there, and even
then the state would only be taxed in portion of

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what they were of the overall United States.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So it's almost back to almost like a reverse pirates share.
Back in the day, pirates would do everything based off
of share. That way, they didn't have to have a
direct iou I don't know, fifteen doablloons or whatever it was,
because you got a share for it. So what the

(19:54):
founders really wanted was they put together that flat type
of taxation because they didn't want no taxation without representation.
And that works the other direction too. You have that
representation because you paid into.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
That side as a citizen.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Founding fathers of the United States held distinct and often
cautious views on how the federal government should be funded.
Their experiences with British taxation, and their desire to balance
federal authority with individual liberty shaped their approach to government revenue.

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The American Revolution was largely motivated by the opposition to
arbitrary taxation and embodied the slogan again, no taxation without representation.
After independence, the Founders sought to avoid replicating that centralized
financial control that they just rejected. They just said, no,

(21:08):
we don't want just a random person deciding where attacks
comes from, whether that's imports, exports, income land otherwise. James Madison,
if I guess, James Madison is to the Constitution as

(21:29):
Thomas Jefferson is to the Declaration of Independence. James Madison
was known as the father of the Constitution and the
fourth President of the United States. In the Federalists Number
forty five, Madison wrote, the papers delegated by the proposed
Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those

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which are to remain in the state governments are numerous
and indefinite. This perspective influenced the preference for indirect taxes
such as tariffs and exercises, over direct taxes like income taxes.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's where.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
The preferred revenue mechanisms of the founding fathers of tariffs
and custom duties, and that could be where the administration
is taking us now, is back towards that side of
no income tax, but putting everything off of on tariffs
and customs and duties. But as we all know, if

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the government has already taken that money from you, all
they have to do is make an excuse of why
they should be continuing to take that money from you,
whether or not the tariffs make more money or anything else.
So we'll figure out what Alexander Hamilton said he was

(23:02):
the first Secretary of the Treasury. Did he support tariffs,
did he not? Did he not like them? We'll see
what he had to say about it, and then of
course we'll talk a little bit more about the Constitution itself,
what articles, primarily Congress have to talk about these, And

(23:28):
of course we can't forget our good buddy TJ. Thomas
Jefferson and the Democratic Republicans see where they came in
on this tax debate. It's a lot more fun to
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What's tomorrow? I guess it's Tax Day EVE? And what
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Speaker 1 (29:49):
That came in from let's see here James about the
James Madison, Hey, that's cool. James Madison, known as the
father of the Constitution. He wrote, the powers delegated by
the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.
Those which are to remain in the state of governments
are numerous and indefinite. Okay, he said, what does that mean? Well,

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the powers delegated by the proposed Constitution. He was talking
about the Constitution that was ratified, he says, and this
is to the federal government. Are few and defined. Now,
we did talk about that article Article one, Section nine,

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Clause four. No capitation or other direct tax shall be
laid unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein
before directed to be taken. Okay, that is no capitation,

(30:59):
not decapitation, not capitulation. This is capitation. So those of
you that work in the medical field, you know what
capitation is.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's kind of.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Almost like insurance are almost like everybody pays the same
thing regardless of.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Whatever goes on. And so it says no capitation.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So they're not going to take anything directly from you,
or any tax directly from you from the federal government,
unless in proportion to the census and enumeration herein before
directed to be taken. Were talking about taking it from
the states. What a lot of our founding fathers wanted

(31:52):
was a lot of the power for the states. It's
why we have not only I believe Article four, which
is the state's power, we also have the Tenth Amendment,
which reiterated state's power. Because anything that wasn't specifically laid
out in the Constitution. The founding fathers wanted the rest

(32:17):
of it to go to the states, hence our friend
mister Madison, fourth President. By the way, those which are
to remain in the state governments are numerous and indefinite.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So if the state has a surplus on something and.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Has a lack in another, they're able to maybe put
a tax or put a put maybe a exemption, or
put something on to their specific region because they know
more about their region than the federal government ever could.

(33:05):
Because they don't have to send mister Smith to Washington
to talk about what's going on. They are right there.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
They should have that power.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Now, that's kind of where the Federalists and the Democratic
republic Republicans kind of agreed on is back to that
taxation side, because that's honestly where a lot of the
independence that the American colonies wanted derived from is back

(33:44):
to not having to deal with the whims of some
person that doesn't affect your everyday life, but affects your
everyday life with their whims. And that's why the Fourth
Amendment or the Article four and the tenth Amendment give

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every other power that the federal government doesn't take or
doesn't legislate or doesn't change to.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
The state itself.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Forget given it to a single party, Forget given it
to a single branch. The federal government wanted to give
it to the states because the States had the most
direct interaction with you and I, and so I promised you.

(34:38):
Alexander Hamilton, those of you that have seen the musical,
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I guess I should.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I just I just don't want to see how they
portrayed Aaron Burr.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Or I don't know. Maybe it's just because I know
how it ends.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Tariff's custom duties is what Alexander Hamilton was all about.
It was the first Secretary of Treasury and absolutely loved
the idea of being an international power. They had already
gotten a lot of money from the French that they

(35:20):
had to start paying back. I don't think we paid
them back until Jackson.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I want to think.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Was when we finally paid everybody back for everything. That's
something I'd have to check again. But Alexander Hamilton, the
first Secretary of Treasury, strongly supportive tariffs as the primary
revenue source. In his seventeen ninety report on public credit,

(35:54):
he stated it is a signal advantage of taxes on
article of consumption that they contain in their own nature
a security against excess. You want to talk about the
soda tax, Alexander Hamilton would have been the first one

(36:15):
in line for that soda tax. Well, I mean, if
we're paying all this money because of the health problems
that uh, whiskey and rum.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And uh and tea gives us, then then.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Why don't we just add another tax onto that contain
in their own nature a security against excess. Hamilton believed
custom duties were less intrusive but more acceptable to the
public because you've got to be taxed.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Nobody likes them. Nobody turns around and goes here it is.
Trust me.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
If the carnival was free, you wouldn't necessarily pay. You
might throw a donation or two or whatever. But the
government doesn't have a lockdown on tithing, and so they
need to use, as the libertarian say, you need force

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by force, I need to take your money.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well that forces.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well, you don't want to participate in society or pay
your dues to Disneyland, but you still want to be
part of Disneyland, Well, then we'll just lock you up
in the place where people that don't want to participate
in Disneyland.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Go you sto have to be here in Disneyland.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's not like we're going to deport you to a
Salvador or something yet. So the exercise taxes were the
other one, the whiskey tax seventeen ninety one. The whiskey tax,
also proposed by Hamilton, was one of the first federal

(38:05):
excess tax and demonstrated the federal's government resilience on internal
consumption taxes. Thomas Jefferson, although a political opponent to Hamilton,
also tolerated limited exercise taxes while opposing direct federal taxation. Right,

(38:31):
that's direct in the Constitution. The guy had just got
done writing the Declaration of Independence? Was there when Madison
was hand printing all of the different copies of the Constitution.
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for

(38:53):
the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is
sinfull and tyrannical. Do you not like the things that
the government pays for? Is there a certain thing that

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the government does, has done, will.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Do, continues to do that you don't like?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, Hamilton thought it was better that you paid for
the taxes on the whiskey. Like Hamilton had said, let's
pay the whiskey tax. That's fine, I'll pay for the
whiskey if I want whiskey, and it's okay. But to
compel me directly that I have to pay for that bomb,

(39:46):
or pay me directly that I have to pay for
that particular I don't know, opera in where have you stand?
And that's not to be derogatory. I would say Wherever's
Burg as well, where I would think wherever's Burg.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Would be in Pennsylvania, Just something I would think.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Jefferson's views helped shape early opposition to federal income taxes,
where my libertarian brothers at. So this is where those
constitutional limits come in. We're back to Article one, section nine,

(40:33):
which is where everything stood because we didn't have a
sixteenth Amendment. We had Article one, Section nine. No capitation
or other direct tax shall be laid unless the proportion
to the census or enumeration herein before direct be taken.
The first part is really where it's at. No capitation

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or other direct tax shall be laid. The unless is
just the side of it that says unless it's directly
from the states. So no direct taxes. No income tax

(41:18):
shall be taken from you should be taken from the states,
if anything, and even then if you didn't want to
take it directly from the states, the founding fathers believed
it should be taken from tariffs and customs and direct
taxes from goods. During the early Republic, nearly all federal

(41:46):
revenue came from tariffs and land sales. Now we don't
have any more land to sell, or maybe we flip greenland. Right,
they do that, but call TLC. It's rude. Jefferson Madison

(42:08):
administrations worked to reduce the national debt without imposing direct taxes,
and therefore.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
By the eighteen thirties, President Andrew Jackson paid off the
national debt primarily through.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Customs duties. Now there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
That are arguing that the administration doesn't understand what they're doing,
doesn't really understand where everything is going, or what is
a tariff? And can we even go back to these things. No,
it's proven that we were there eighteen thirties Andrew jacks

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and paid off that national debt. But the issue is
is they didn't even have the Sixteenth Amendment to combat
Now we have that even if you don't want to collect,
it's not your job to collect. It's your job doing

(43:21):
force if people don't collect, But it's Congress's job to
collect taxes. Even the sixteenth Amendment puts that there. Only
the sixteenth Amendment laid the foundation for the modern income

(43:41):
tax system. The Revenue Tax Act of eighteen thirteen implemented
a graduated income tax, with rates starting at one percent
for incomes above three thousand dollars. That's in nineteen thirteen,

(44:02):
by the way, three thousand dollars. In nineteen thirteen, it
raised all the way to seven percent for incomes above
five hundred thousand. I don't even want to think about
what the conversion rate of five hundred thousand dollars in
nineteen thirteen was.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I may do that on the break, only.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
A small percentage of Americans actually paid tax. World War
One rapidly expanded the tax base and increased rates significantly,
creating a permanent resilience or I'm sorry, creating a permanent reliance.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
On income taxes.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Just like I was saying, I understand where the administration
is going. I understand and where they want to have
no income tax, where they want to have it where
we don't pay for social security anymore, where you don't

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pay for taxes on overtime, where you don't pay I
don't know, let's say.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Wealth tax or profit.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
You don't pay taxes on your income from your business
even And they want to do it only purely on tariffs,
because that's the way it was.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
But they're not going to.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
The government has proven time and time again that every
time that there is a new tax, they.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Leave that new tax.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
The Biden administration left a lot of the tariffs that
the Trump administration put on ten years ago, despite everybody
him and in Hall and all about how the Chinese
tariff as big or unnecessary or what have you. Again,

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this isn't the first time that we've used these things.
And what else isn't the first time is that the
government leans on the new things. You know that over
seventy percent of you voted against the new tax for
Kane County. You understand the concept of new taxes stay forever.

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When was the last time you saw you saw tax
go away? Shore down, but go away. The sixteenth Amendment
expanded the federal government, but it also funded the New Deal,

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supported military for World War two. World War one enabled infrastructure, education, healthcare,
social welfare programs.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
All of these things showed up.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
After we started paying for it, because do you know
what we did? We said, where is our money going?
You're supposed to be doing these things, you're taking our money.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And then eventually the federal income tax became the largest
source of government revenue, allowing Washington to exert signal gnificant
influence over national economic and social policies. If I have
my direct fingers in the money in which go into
your pocket, that's the power I have. The American government

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gets paid at the same time you do. Maybe they
get to access your money a little bit faster.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I mean you've got to drive to the bank, or
you've got to have it deposited, etc.

Speaker 7 (48:36):
Etc.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
But that is the reality in which we live, and
that is the number one lever in which the government
uses taxes.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
If they want to get you to do something or
not do something, that's taxes. I want you to buy
an electric car, I'll give you five thousand dollars off
of your taxes.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I wanted to be able to where it's easier for
you to buy a house. I'm going to give you
twenty five thousand dollars off your taxes. And so this
here is the power.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
We can talk about the banking system, we can talk
about marching in the streets, we can talk about all
of these different things, but where is it really the taxes?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
The money.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
So I don't want to encourage anything or I don't
want to get in trouble for I don't know my
thought on stuff that I probably won't do, be a
part of, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
But my question I have for you, I want to
hear from you. If you want to.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Stay anonymous, just so the Feds aren't looking, go ahead
text me five zero five nine two six fourteen ten
or send me an email Sonar at WRMN Radio. I'm sorry,
WRMN fourteen ten dot com.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Would you pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Into the USSR as they were falling, as they were
breaking up, as the federal government was no longer working,
would you pay your federal taxes?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Nah, you heard me. Federal taxes like the found.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Fathers believed, like I believe as well. The states, the local,
your communal that is where the most direct change, challenge, participation, community,
whatever you want to do sits. But the federal USSR.

(51:26):
Would you have paid in their downfall. A plan that
I'm starting to play around with right now is not
letting the federal government take anything out of my check.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
At the end of the year, the federal government is still.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Around, I'll give them their check on the fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Got a hedge, My bets still perfectly legal. Think about it.
More tax talk when we come back.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
We'll dive a little bit more into the sixteenth Amendment
and honestly where income tax got its start. And then
we'll talk about flat versus progressive versus our current US
income tax system. We'll look at all three of them together.

(52:28):
Thanks for sticking around. More a political talk show coming
up after this.

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