April 22, 2025 • 53 mins
On this episode of A Political Talk Show, host and U.S. Navy veteran Dennis "Sonar" Greene examines the unfolding Second Signalgate scandal involving Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and the encrypted Signal messaging app. Greene explores the increasingly blurred lines between telecommunications companies and the U.S. government, raising questions about surveillance, national security, and the erosion of civil liberties.
At the 30-minute mark, Greene is joined by NewsNation’s Joe Khalil to break down the political response in Washington, corporate silence from major telecoms, and what the scandal reveals about data privacy and digital oversight.
This episode is essential for listeners interested in government surveillance, tech regulation, privacy rights, and the influence of telecom infrastructure on U.S. policy. With sharp analysis and timely commentary, Greene brings clarity to one of the most pressing political tech controversies of the year.
At the 30-minute mark, Greene is joined by NewsNation’s Joe Khalil to break down the political response in Washington, corporate silence from major telecoms, and what the scandal reveals about data privacy and digital oversight.
This episode is essential for listeners interested in government surveillance, tech regulation, privacy rights, and the influence of telecom infrastructure on U.S. policy. With sharp analysis and timely commentary, Greene brings clarity to one of the most pressing political tech controversies of the year.
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My name is Dinnis on our Green. I'm the host
of a political talk show where we try to break
down the systems right not in like pitchfork torches, breaking
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Nation's Washington DC correspondent specializes in Capitol Hill coverage. So
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talk with Joe Halil and so it's going to be
a great interview because we're going to talk about the implications,
not necessarily the implications of what he's going to be facing.
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We can all speculate on what the punishments are going
to end up being, but what are the physical implications
of the thing happening. We know the thing had happened,
regardless of who they want to blame or if they
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Joe Hellil will help us understand that. So what we're
going to talk about is we're going to talk about
the rise of telecommunication and how the government has used
it for its own communications and how we kind of
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put it together. So telecommunications refer to the transmission of
information over significant distances using electronic means communications. Right, things
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that we say talk text send sending them over the
electronic side of things. And so in the eighteen thirties
eighteen forties, we had the telegraph. Because we've had this
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evolution of telecommunications in a lot of different ways that
we can send messages back and forth, code messages in code, code, decode, classify, declassify,
all of these different ways. But the telegraph was eighteen
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thirties to eighteen forties. The telegraph marked it the first
time information could travel faster than human or animal. Right,
we've used animals before, carrier pigeons, donkeys, pony express. Some
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people even used to send foxes, not foxes, foxes foxes.
Oh honey, I got a fox telephone line in eighteen
seventy six. Eighteen seventy six, My goodness, that's so.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Early.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Jeff was talking about earlier about his phone from nineteen
ten l eighteen seventy six is when they first came around.
And at this point it was no longer the encoded
beep beep beep beeps that Morse code put together. We
now had the device that could convert sound into electrical
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signals for transmission over distances. Converting sound into electrical signals
or electrical signals into sound. We and the biz call transducers.
Those are my students that are listening right now before
the classes that is a vocab word. Transducers invented by
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Alexander Graham Bell. It allowed real time voice communication, huge
leap from the delayed nature of the telegraph and cutting
out another person listening in generals I'm sure had to
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learn Morse code or anything like that, but you still
had people passing those messages, decoding those messages back and forth.
You had another leak in the system, another person getting
sucked into the chat, if you will. By the time
the eighteen nineties rolled around, the radio one of our
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favorite inventions around here, wireless transmission of signals through electromagnetic waves.
But sorry, at that time they reverted it all back
to that morsecode. They were using a fig of a
spark gap. Instead of pushing the button down for the
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tippy taps, they would essentially charge up and blast a
little shock in between two nodes, and the stronger that
shot was the larger. The If you ever listen to
the AM radio during a lightning storm, you've heard it before.
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It's that bandwidth explosion. And it was used for broadcasts,
for news, military communications, and it was pivotal during the
World Wars to keep us back to the side that
we were putting it together, to keep it with the
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government side for things. That's when we finally jump into
digital and satellite communication. Now, before we had the Internet,
that's what we used with satellites. So you think about
this nineteen twenties radio television waves as well, but we
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jump directly to that digital and satellite communication, putting birds
up into the sky shooting radiation at them for them
to shoot the radiation back down. We still use satellite
communication here in the radio station. We use that with
a giant dish. I believe we've got a sixteen foot
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or an eighteen foot dish on the building that's pointed
at AMC eighteen geosynchronously located in the sky, and that's
how we get our socks games, which is going to
happen at six pm. How about that for some super
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long distance segues. After the digital and satellite communications that
enhanced speed, reliability range. Of the global side, we got
the Internet and ARPA net ARPA n E T nineteen
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sixties nineteen nineties, the Global Network for Exchanging Data originating
from a US defense project, ARPURNET laid the groundwork for
today's Internet, enabling email, data sharing and global connectivity. Today,
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we've got modern networks, advanced systems like fiber optics, five
G cloud computing. Even these technologies provide high speed, secure
communication foundational to modern governance. But secure communication in the
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fact that the other person on the other end and
the telecommunication company all have access to it. Then anybody
who can crack the encryption, or anybody who has installed
I don't know, so called Chinese spyware on their personal
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Apple device and then used a messaging app. Do you
know how many devices that you give access to read
your screen and files on. There are some of you
out there that gave that permission to a flashlight app.
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There are some of you on now that don't realize
that you shouldn't have a flashlight app. And so that
is the specific reason of why we use strategic communication.
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We use tools like hotlines, secured red phones, skiffs, encrypted
communication for defense operations, and when we don't do that,
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we open ourselves up to cyber threats and infrastructure vulnerabilities.
I'm not saying that we are are all perfect. Trust me,
every single one of us has used the exclamation mark
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in our passwords. Don't lie. I know you have, and
I understand that. I understand the mistakes, I understand the
change or I understand the slip ups. But when you
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rely on a system that is controlled and checked and
needs to have that openness of someone else looking at
the things that you are saying, they're able to make
sure that we all don't make those mistakes. When somebody
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hands you a device and says use this for secure things,
and hand you another one and says, use this for
not secure things, you don't cross contaminate. Almost look at communication,
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especially secret communication as raw chicken, follow me here, don't
go away, raw chicken. You've got it in your hands,
but you want to use the sink, or you want
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to cut something, or you want to do something else.
You have to then turn around and wash your hands
before you do anything else. Thoroughly wash your hands. You
go back, you chop something, maybe a stir a pot,
check on a child, take a sip of the drink,
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relax a little bit. Then you go back to the chicken.
And when you go back to it, you go back
to washing your hands. There needs to be a separation
of the raw chicken and the rest of the food
until it is thoroughly cooked and is DeCamp decontaminated, and
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in this analogy de classified. We're gonna be talking with
Joe Hellil News Nation's Washington correspondent specializes in Capitol Hill coverage.
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There's lots of different news organizations that are out there
that are covering this. A great place to go if
you are looking to read some more about these.
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Is.
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Of course, our friends over at Ground News not going
to necessarily push him as a plug because you think
that I'm getting paid for it. It's mostly because I
want you to be informed. And so when I say
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there's something to read, there's twenty seven articles out right
now that Secretary Hegseth pulled the strike information from secure
military channel for the signal posts. And when we show
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that we don't care when information goes out, when we
show that we'll fight the FBI and we will dodge
accountability for spreading information, there's only going to be more
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information that goes out. Some of you are looking back
at the signal gate of Jeffrey Goldbloom Goldberg, Sorry, Jeffrey Goldberg,
editor in chief of The Atlantic Watch. Washington Week is
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a good it's a good show on YouTube. But I'm
looking back even further to the bathrooms in mar A Lago.
And you look even further back into emails, and you
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think about the detriment and the screaming and the stomping,
and the how could this possibly be a thing that
any of our leadership does treasonous? Did you see the
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jersey change? Did you see the team change? Did you
hear the song change? And so when we talk with
Joe Hilil, we're going to be talking about the Pentagon
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and how they respond. Already to the signal gate side
of it. We read it from AP, in PR, The Guardian,
Reuter's and what really really makes me mad about this
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is there are twenty seven articles written about how it
was directly pulled from strike information from secure military channels
right to that signal post. Twenty seven articles just about
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that alone, last updated forty or I'm sorry, fourteen minutes ago,
and there is no even remotely right leaning publication that
has written about this. We have The Hill, we have
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the Tribune, we have the AP, we have the Daily News,
We've got the Rocky Mountain Outlook, NBC Raw Story, MSNBC,
the Daily Beast, all of these different news organizations, and
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yet we don't have the details from one side, Which
is why we invited News Nation over to WRMN that's
where I get a lot of my news. You may
hear me here or there, mostly on the bottom of
the hour if you're on the AM dial. And we
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also turned around and got the Associated Press during the day.
Now on the weekends and the we still have town Hall.
So if you do like somebody who does have a
bit more of a red leaning than the news that
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has traditionally been over here, that's what plays there. Don't
look at me. Ad Fonte's greats them Adfontesmedia dot com,
Independent media grading source. Check my homework. Please please check
my homework. I want to make sure that I am
giving everything to you as quickly as possible. Former Defense
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Secretary person who had Secretary hec Seth's job, Leon Panetta,
stated that the breach is serious and it will highlight
risks posed by the military personnel. No matter what anyone
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says to you, this is classified information. You can declassify
it after the fact, but as it was pushed around
through the multiple different ways of telecommunications, it was classified
when it was I can't go to an outback and
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Welcome back to a political talk show here on WRMN.
My name is Dennison R. Green. We are talking about
the latest news. Defense Secretary Pete Hegstat is facing intense
scrutiny following revelations he shared sensitive US military strike plans
via yet another encrypted messaging app, the messaging app Signal.
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I get confused with that messaging signal app. These disclosures
have sparked bipartisan concern over national security and operational security protocols.
The best place to find a lot of that ongoing
information is, of course, the Hill dot Com. They've got
ongoing reports including Hegseth digs in as Democrats demand his resignation.
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Joining us now from newsnatione Jalil News Nation's Washington DC
correspondent specializing in Capitol Hill coverage. For the background in
political reporting, Kalil has covered Congress and the White House.
He's conducted interviews with high profile political figures, including members
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of Congress and even the President himself. Thank you for
being here, Joe, really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
That, of course, happy to be with you.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Uh. What are the potential national security implications of this? First,
let's start before punishments, before perceived guilt or anything else
like that. What are the original implications that are going
to be happening with this information getting out?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Well, so you can imagine why this would be so concerning,
right the story? The allegation, if the reporting is true,
and to this point Sixtor headset has not denied this reporting,
is that he was sharing very sensitive, if not classified,
information about targeting strikes at terrorist targets effectively and he
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was sharing them with people that shouldn't have been privy
to that kind of information. And the second round of
this reporting says he had a signal group chat, which
signal isn't at anybody in America can download on their phone.
That included his brother, his wife, and his personal attorney.
You would imagine those are not people that have the
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clearance to get very sensitive information about impending military strikes.
So to answer your question, I mean, what are the
stakes here for that? The implications could be, let's say, hypothetically,
someone who doesn't like the United States, one of our
adversaries like Russia or China has hacked into the phone
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of family members of the Secretary of Defense, which is
not out of the realm of possibility, and we have
attack plans that are on those phones. You can see
why that would be a huge national security risk to
us and could certainly compromise the safety potentially of American
service members who absolutely missions.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And my question is is it the same information in
both chat groups? Now, A lot of it we got
to see from Jeffrey goldbler Berg, and luckily he I mean,
I think he was almost forced to push that out
just to kind of say no, I'm tired of getting
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the pushback. But is a lot of what we're seeing
in this second round kind of just like a carbon copy,
kind of like he had the information and there was
a couple of groups that he wanted to make sure
had that information.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, it was basically the same general information that is
the reporting. In fact, the first story in the Atlanta
came out, and you're right, he did describe specific details about,
you know, strike targets and when strikes were going to happen,
and locations of strikes and what kinds of weapons and
vehicles were going to be used. And the reporting in
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the second round comes from sources who were privy to
the first conversation that said that there was basically a
second chat discussing the same, very same details, the second
chat being the one that included heg Seth's brother, wife
and personal attorney. For whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
We're speaking with Joe Hallil here from News Nations Washington Correspondence.
They have already started talking about this second round here.
Like you had said earlier, Secretary Hegseth is not denied
anything yet, but from the sound and from the reports
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I've seen from the President, it almost sounds as if
he is kind of merging these two together instead of
two separate incidents, because he was quoted by saying that's
old news.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, it seemed like the President was referring to the
first round of stories, which came out a couple of
weeks ago, because he was asked about it. Of all
places at the White House, easter egg roll, you know,
you got the Easter money there on the South Lawn
and the White House. But yeah, the President was essentially asked,
you know about this chat, whether he has faith still
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in his Secretary of Defense basically dismissed the questions and said,
that's old news. You'll need to focus on something else.
It was not, in fact old news because the story
had just come out that weekend and he got the
questions on much day. You know, again, the first story,
we know all of the players who were in this
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group chat because it had been published, and there was
accidentally a journalist that was included in that. That journalist
did not mention anywhere hegsth's family members. So that is
why we are to believe that this second chat was
a separate one entirely with some of the same information
in it, but that it included some different people. So
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there it is a new story with new reporting and
the fact that there are two now it just adds
to the course of those who've criticized Hegseth and have
called on the President to replace him. Of course, President
Trump has not said he would do that. The Press
secretary said Trump is not going to do that, and
our sources we've spoken to say Hegseth, you know, it's
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a concerning situation, but he is still for the moment
safe in his position. Now that could change, but that's
the case for now.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Part of these alligatations are pretty severe. The Pentagon and
the Congress have to be reacting to this somehow. The Pentagon,
I think, was already starting the investigation from the first incident.
Are they just going to add this on to it,
or are they going to treat it maybe as two
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separate incidents, two strikes and hopefully not a third.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, full disclosure. I don't know the answer for certain,
but I would imagine we've seen in the past. What
I can speak to is that we've seen in the
past where Congress, for example, which is my regular day
job covering Congress, they have started an investigation in the
middle of that investigation, they've gotten new information or another
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incident that arises, and they will just sort of assume
that into their original probe. So I imagine that the
questions now about this second round of reporting will likely
be included in the original investigation. However, the Pentagon is
doing it. We really want to caveat again for your
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for your listeners. I don't know that for certain, but
that is what happened in the past.
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Is this?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It kind of reminds me of a Matt Gates situation here.
I do not think the president is going to change,
unless maybe there's a few members of Congress that might
start an impeachment or something, or if the ground swell
of support changes. I think those might be the only
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two ways that that Hegseeth doesn't survive this. What what
do you see on the horizon.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
For that Well, so far we have had one Republican
and I'm putting Democrats aside for now because there have
been several calls from Democrats to have hag Seth Replacedworth is.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Out for blood, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Right now, yeah, President Trump is not going to listen
to Democrats. But there's so far been one Republican who
is pretty high profile. His name is Congressman Don Bacon.
If your listeners aren't familiar, he's a Republican from Nebraska.
He's important because not only does he serve on the
House Armed Services Committee, he is also himself a general
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in the Air Force, or was a general in the
Air Force before Congress. So this is someone who people
listen to. And he has suggested that if he were
in the White House, and he's not, but if he
were there, he would not tolerate this from his Secretary
of Defense. And he talked about how it is seriously
damaging to have all of these scandals because it's basically
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a distraction to the mission of the Pentagon. So that
was a pretty big indictment coming from a Republican. It's
a good rule of thumb that if one person is
saying it out loud, there are probably others who believe
the same thing and are not saying it out loud.
And I've spoken to some other Republicans who have concerns
at least about Hegseth. The question that you're asking is
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at what point does he become so toxic to President
Trump that the president ultimately makes a decision to let
him go. But we've seen President Trump in the past
fire people in his cabinet replace them in the first term.
That happened all the time. I don't know that that
would happen here, because you know, usually he would do
that for broadly lack of loyalty. I don't think there's
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a loyalty question here with Secretary Hegseth to Donald Trump.
But I will say this, our sources we've spoken to
have told us if this becomes a consistent thorn in
the side of President Trump. In other words, if there
are several more scandals, several more headline and stories about
dysfunction within the Pentagon, that is not going to be
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that's not going to bode well. And if it's a
continued distraction for the White House, that might come to
a head, and that may be a point where the
President decides to make a move. You'd imagine there have
to be some advisors very close to him, up to
and including Vice President Advance potentially that would have to
influence him to make a call like pulling the plug
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on a Secretary of Defense. I don't think it's in
the cards immediately in the near term, but let's see
in the next three or four months if this continues
at the Pentagon and you've got people President Trump likes
describing it as a chaotic environment.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Joe, just like the first term, I think they're going
to have to start looking at a deeper bench for
a couple of different positions. But I appreciate your I
appreciate your time over here. Find Joe Hellil on x
X dot com. You can find him at Joe K
H A L I L t V. Joe, thank you
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very much for being here with us. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
More A political talk show will be back after these
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great ways to keep up with this ongoing story. Hegseth
pulled strike information from secure military channel for signal posts.
There's a report on that. And then also Secretary Hegseth
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Welcome back to WRMN. This is a political talk show.
That's WRN fourteen ten AM and WRMN fourteen ten dot com.
We got a little bit of time. We'll go ahead
and go to a caller wireless caller number one. Hello,
welcome aboard.
Speaker 14 (45:26):
What would you like to talk about it? It's just hey,
there he is, Yeah, watch out. You know we were
talking earlier last last hour about environment. Okay. You know
I'm gonna well, here's the thing with the environment thing. Okay.
People are stupid, Okay, and I'm going to take the
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heat for this from everybody because nobody reads signs and
nobody obeys the rules. I travel a lot. I'm a photographer.
Two and when I go out take pictures of stuff,
I'm like, during the winter time, it was over in Hawaii. Okay,
So petroglyphs, right, everybody talks about petroc glyphs, not just
(46:10):
no why, but other spots. What do I see next
to a petrolyft that somebody, you know, something that's thousands
of years old, I can of spray paint some goof
trying to make his own petric lyft. Okay, so that's
happening a lot in Hawaii. A lot. There's a lot
of destruction, a lot of garbage. Especially there a lot
(46:31):
of plastic bottles, you know, the water bottle type, and
you were talking about, you know, all this toxic stuff,
all the plastics, they're everywhere. The worst offenders are the
plastic bottles and those plastic bags. Yeah, okay, so people
don't understand that you can't just throw those out in
(46:55):
the ground and expect it to be you know, turtles,
Turtles are getting stuck with plastic bag wrapped around their necks.
And I'm just you know, that's just some of the stuff.
When I was with the for service or even now.
I mean, I go hiking a lot before my surgery,
I was going to hike a lot and a lot
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of the sciences they pack it in, pack it out. Well,
you know what pack it in and pack it out means, right.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, you go, and if you're going to take it
out there with you, you better make sure that it
comes back out with you too. I mean it's like
people that eat those energy bars or whatever. They eat
the food, put it in their belly, but then they
don't take the garbage and pack it back out correct.
Speaker 14 (47:40):
And it's really bad in this country. And the left
wing people I'm gonna brain blame the most because they're
the ones saying global warming doing this, but they're some
of the worst offenders out there of this at all.
And I'm using it. You know, maybe I'm I'm blaming
the left more than right, but I see a lot
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of lip service on the left and no no doing.
You could do the research on this, you can. People
can look this up. You go in a place that's
really nice, it's not your backyard, you know, don't trash
it up, you know, because I always like, you know,
I look at it this way. If you do that
to somebody else's backyard. How about if somebody comes to
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your backyard and does the same thing.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, I tell my kids the animals live here. It's like,
are you going to throw that in the in the
middle of the living room at our house?
Speaker 10 (48:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Why are you going to do that to that squirrel?
We just saw? This is their living room?
Speaker 10 (48:35):
What do you?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (48:36):
What are my problems? I got this hang up with people,
and I understand it. You know, if you go to Yellowstone,
for instance, I've been there a couple of times, and
and people that are not born and raised in America
and their foreigners don't understand it. And and so you
see people taking selfies in hot spots, in a hot
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boiling tubs. Sometimes some people go missing, you know, or
the guy that takes a selfie on the edge of
a rim of a grand canyon and falls off.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
What what words of wisdom do you have for us
for this, for this majestic of earth days, sir?
Speaker 14 (49:17):
Just pay attention to your surroundings, even in your own backyard.
You know, think about it. Would you want trash and
plastic and and things done to your backyard? Because if
you don't, then to go out in the woods and
do you know, do the opposite, because you're doing injustice
to people like myself that want to come and see
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we get away. We want to see mother nature. We
want to see the sights and the sounds, you know,
and and you know, I could go on and on
about stuff like this. It isn't just it isn't just
the global warming. It isn't just the skies because people
forget about where we're standing on. People forget about the
water we drink, which is more concerning to you. The
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water we drink or the air. Both should be, but
more importantly it should be the water. So think about that.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
I don't know, I can only survive maybe three minutes
without without air. I can survive I think, what is it,
three uh three three days without water?
Speaker 14 (50:20):
Yeah, so yeah, But but you know, I mean, I'm
kind of I don't mean to be so hot and
bothered about it, but well, I mean, I've got enough
information to back what I say up. But it's just
it's common sense. There's a lot of people that that
do work. I mean, I worked. I was on the
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Strategic Planning Committee here and I was also the liaison
for the Natural Resources Committee in here in town, and
and they do a heck of a job. The guy
that runs the natural resource part of it does a
heck of a job doing stuff. But we rely heavily
on volunteers. There's lack of them anymore. Nobody wants to
do this stuff because everybody wants to go to a
Game boy or someplace and that and that kind of
(51:06):
bothers me.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
If people want, if people want information about where they
can volunteer, where can we go, what what clubs are
out there for it.
Speaker 14 (51:15):
Geneva Park District, well, that the King County Forest Preserve,
the Geneva Park District, that Saint Charles Park District, you guys,
your park district in in Elgin. They all have special
things that you could do. During the summertime. They have
camp for kids to do stuff and you know they
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go up and down the river with the with the
canoes and kayaks and stuff. It's kind of fun, you know.
Speaker 12 (51:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, I've been looking at at cup Scouts and cup
Scouts and the Boy Boy Scouts of America was something
that I was looking at for my kids too. There's
lots of different ways to get involved with the environmental
clean up. The best way to do it is just
clean up after yourself, right, wash your dishes.
Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, the big exactly, the big exact disrespect mother nature.
You know, we can't do anything about like Heagsas or
whatever his name is. I can't even say that. I
think that was the wrong guy to begin with.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Okay, well that's why it was close to people, a
close vote to begin with either way. Happy Earth Day
to you, buddy, and Happy Earth Day to those of
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My name is Dinnis on our Green. I'm the host
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Nation's Washington DC correspondent specializes in Capitol Hill coverage. So
we'll talk about Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and now a
second confirmed encrypted messaging app I guess thing. So join
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us at the bottom of the hour where we will
talk with Joe Halil and so it's going to be
a great interview because we're going to talk about the implications,
not necessarily the implications of what he's going to be facing.
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We can all speculate on what the punishments are going
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Joe Hellil will help us understand that. So what we're
going to talk about is we're going to talk about
the rise of telecommunication and how the government has used
it for its own communications and how we kind of
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put it together. So telecommunications refer to the transmission of
information over significant distances using electronic means communications. Right, things
(05:14):
that we say talk text send sending them over the
electronic side of things. And so in the eighteen thirties
eighteen forties, we had the telegraph. Because we've had this
(05:40):
evolution of telecommunications in a lot of different ways that
we can send messages back and forth, code messages in code, code, decode, classify, declassify,
all of these different ways. But the telegraph was eighteen
(06:02):
thirties to eighteen forties. The telegraph marked it the first
time information could travel faster than human or animal. Right,
we've used animals before, carrier pigeons, donkeys, pony express. Some
(06:26):
people even used to send foxes, not foxes, foxes foxes.
Oh honey, I got a fox telephone line in eighteen
seventy six. Eighteen seventy six, My goodness, that's so.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Early.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Jeff was talking about earlier about his phone from nineteen
ten l eighteen seventy six is when they first came around.
And at this point it was no longer the encoded
beep beep beep beeps that Morse code put together. We
now had the device that could convert sound into electrical
(07:11):
signals for transmission over distances. Converting sound into electrical signals
or electrical signals into sound. We and the biz call transducers.
Those are my students that are listening right now before
the classes that is a vocab word. Transducers invented by
(07:35):
Alexander Graham Bell. It allowed real time voice communication, huge
leap from the delayed nature of the telegraph and cutting
out another person listening in generals I'm sure had to
(07:58):
learn Morse code or anything like that, but you still
had people passing those messages, decoding those messages back and forth.
You had another leak in the system, another person getting
sucked into the chat, if you will. By the time
the eighteen nineties rolled around, the radio one of our
(08:23):
favorite inventions around here, wireless transmission of signals through electromagnetic waves.
But sorry, at that time they reverted it all back
to that morsecode. They were using a fig of a
spark gap. Instead of pushing the button down for the
(08:47):
tippy taps, they would essentially charge up and blast a
little shock in between two nodes, and the stronger that
shot was the larger. The If you ever listen to
the AM radio during a lightning storm, you've heard it before.
(09:10):
It's that bandwidth explosion. And it was used for broadcasts,
for news, military communications, and it was pivotal during the
World Wars to keep us back to the side that
we were putting it together, to keep it with the
(09:39):
government side for things. That's when we finally jump into
digital and satellite communication. Now, before we had the Internet,
that's what we used with satellites. So you think about
this nineteen twenties radio television waves as well, but we
(10:06):
jump directly to that digital and satellite communication, putting birds
up into the sky shooting radiation at them for them
to shoot the radiation back down. We still use satellite
communication here in the radio station. We use that with
a giant dish. I believe we've got a sixteen foot
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or an eighteen foot dish on the building that's pointed
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how we get our socks games, which is going to
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(10:53):
long distance segues. After the digital and satellite communications that
enhanced speed, reliability range. Of the global side, we got
the Internet and ARPA net ARPA n E T nineteen
(11:17):
sixties nineteen nineties, the Global Network for Exchanging Data originating
from a US defense project, ARPURNET laid the groundwork for
today's Internet, enabling email, data sharing and global connectivity. Today,
(11:42):
we've got modern networks, advanced systems like fiber optics, five
G cloud computing. Even these technologies provide high speed, secure
communication foundational to modern governance. But secure communication in the
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fact that the other person on the other end and
the telecommunication company all have access to it. Then anybody
who can crack the encryption, or anybody who has installed
I don't know, so called Chinese spyware on their personal
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Apple device and then used a messaging app. Do you
know how many devices that you give access to read
your screen and files on. There are some of you
out there that gave that permission to a flashlight app.
(12:54):
There are some of you on now that don't realize
that you shouldn't have a flashlight app. And so that
is the specific reason of why we use strategic communication.
(13:24):
We use tools like hotlines, secured red phones, skiffs, encrypted
communication for defense operations, and when we don't do that,
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we open ourselves up to cyber threats and infrastructure vulnerabilities.
I'm not saying that we are are all perfect. Trust me,
every single one of us has used the exclamation mark
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in our passwords. Don't lie. I know you have, and
I understand that. I understand the mistakes, I understand the
change or I understand the slip ups. But when you
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rely on a system that is controlled and checked and
needs to have that openness of someone else looking at
the things that you are saying, they're able to make
sure that we all don't make those mistakes. When somebody
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hands you a device and says use this for secure things,
and hand you another one and says, use this for
not secure things, you don't cross contaminate. Almost look at communication,
(15:24):
especially secret communication as raw chicken, follow me here, don't
go away, raw chicken. You've got it in your hands,
but you want to use the sink, or you want
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to cut something, or you want to do something else.
You have to then turn around and wash your hands
before you do anything else. Thoroughly wash your hands. You
go back, you chop something, maybe a stir a pot,
check on a child, take a sip of the drink,
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relax a little bit. Then you go back to the chicken.
And when you go back to it, you go back
to washing your hands. There needs to be a separation
of the raw chicken and the rest of the food
until it is thoroughly cooked and is DeCamp decontaminated, and
(16:41):
in this analogy de classified. We're gonna be talking with
Joe Hellil News Nation's Washington correspondent specializes in Capitol Hill coverage.
(17:02):
There's lots of different news organizations that are out there
that are covering this. A great place to go if
you are looking to read some more about these.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Is.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Of course, our friends over at Ground News not going
to necessarily push him as a plug because you think
that I'm getting paid for it. It's mostly because I
want you to be informed. And so when I say
(17:43):
there's something to read, there's twenty seven articles out right
now that Secretary Hegseth pulled the strike information from secure
military channel for the signal posts. And when we show
(18:04):
that we don't care when information goes out, when we
show that we'll fight the FBI and we will dodge
accountability for spreading information, there's only going to be more
(18:25):
information that goes out. Some of you are looking back
at the signal gate of Jeffrey Goldbloom Goldberg, Sorry, Jeffrey Goldberg,
editor in chief of The Atlantic Watch. Washington Week is
(18:47):
a good it's a good show on YouTube. But I'm
looking back even further to the bathrooms in mar A Lago.
And you look even further back into emails, and you
(19:15):
think about the detriment and the screaming and the stomping,
and the how could this possibly be a thing that
any of our leadership does treasonous? Did you see the
(19:37):
jersey change? Did you see the team change? Did you
hear the song change? And so when we talk with
Joe Hilil, we're going to be talking about the Pentagon
(20:01):
and how they respond. Already to the signal gate side
of it. We read it from AP, in PR, The Guardian,
Reuter's and what really really makes me mad about this
(20:21):
is there are twenty seven articles written about how it
was directly pulled from strike information from secure military channels
right to that signal post. Twenty seven articles just about
(20:42):
that alone, last updated forty or I'm sorry, fourteen minutes ago,
and there is no even remotely right leaning publication that
has written about this. We have The Hill, we have
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the Tribune, we have the AP, we have the Daily News,
We've got the Rocky Mountain Outlook, NBC Raw Story, MSNBC,
the Daily Beast, all of these different news organizations, and
(21:28):
yet we don't have the details from one side, Which
is why we invited News Nation over to WRMN that's
where I get a lot of my news. You may
hear me here or there, mostly on the bottom of
the hour if you're on the AM dial. And we
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also turned around and got the Associated Press during the day.
Now on the weekends and the we still have town Hall.
So if you do like somebody who does have a
bit more of a red leaning than the news that
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has traditionally been over here, that's what plays there. Don't
look at me. Ad Fonte's greats them Adfontesmedia dot com,
Independent media grading source. Check my homework. Please please check
my homework. I want to make sure that I am
giving everything to you as quickly as possible. Former Defense
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Secretary person who had Secretary hec Seth's job, Leon Panetta,
stated that the breach is serious and it will highlight
risks posed by the military personnel. No matter what anyone
(23:02):
says to you, this is classified information. You can declassify
it after the fact, but as it was pushed around
through the multiple different ways of telecommunications, it was classified
when it was I can't go to an outback and
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talk about the frequencies of a hand class submarine. It's
top secret information, regardless of the medium. When we come
back News Nations. Joe Hellil will be here with us
to talk about the implications and the effects that will
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happen with this new leak. A political talk show will
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Speaker 3 (29:24):
Welcome back to a political talk show here on WRMN.
My name is Dennison R. Green. We are talking about
the latest news. Defense Secretary Pete Hegstat is facing intense
scrutiny following revelations he shared sensitive US military strike plans
via yet another encrypted messaging app, the messaging app Signal.
(29:49):
I get confused with that messaging signal app. These disclosures
have sparked bipartisan concern over national security and operational security protocols.
The best place to find a lot of that ongoing
information is, of course, the Hill dot Com. They've got
ongoing reports including Hegseth digs in as Democrats demand his resignation.
(30:17):
Joining us now from newsnatione Jalil News Nation's Washington DC
correspondent specializing in Capitol Hill coverage. For the background in
political reporting, Kalil has covered Congress and the White House.
He's conducted interviews with high profile political figures, including members
(30:37):
of Congress and even the President himself. Thank you for
being here, Joe, really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
That, of course, happy to be with you.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Uh. What are the potential national security implications of this? First,
let's start before punishments, before perceived guilt or anything else
like that. What are the original implications that are going
to be happening with this information getting out?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Well, so you can imagine why this would be so concerning,
right the story? The allegation, if the reporting is true,
and to this point Sixtor headset has not denied this reporting,
is that he was sharing very sensitive, if not classified,
information about targeting strikes at terrorist targets effectively and he
(31:28):
was sharing them with people that shouldn't have been privy
to that kind of information. And the second round of
this reporting says he had a signal group chat, which
signal isn't at anybody in America can download on their phone.
That included his brother, his wife, and his personal attorney.
You would imagine those are not people that have the
(31:49):
clearance to get very sensitive information about impending military strikes.
So to answer your question, I mean, what are the
stakes here for that? The implications could be, let's say, hypothetically,
someone who doesn't like the United States, one of our
adversaries like Russia or China has hacked into the phone
(32:09):
of family members of the Secretary of Defense, which is
not out of the realm of possibility, and we have
attack plans that are on those phones. You can see
why that would be a huge national security risk to
us and could certainly compromise the safety potentially of American
service members who absolutely missions.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
And my question is is it the same information in
both chat groups? Now, A lot of it we got
to see from Jeffrey goldbler Berg, and luckily he I mean,
I think he was almost forced to push that out
just to kind of say no, I'm tired of getting
(32:49):
the pushback. But is a lot of what we're seeing
in this second round kind of just like a carbon copy,
kind of like he had the information and there was
a couple of groups that he wanted to make sure
had that information.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, it was basically the same general information that is
the reporting. In fact, the first story in the Atlanta
came out, and you're right, he did describe specific details about,
you know, strike targets and when strikes were going to happen,
and locations of strikes and what kinds of weapons and
vehicles were going to be used. And the reporting in
(33:28):
the second round comes from sources who were privy to
the first conversation that said that there was basically a
second chat discussing the same, very same details, the second
chat being the one that included heg Seth's brother, wife
and personal attorney. For whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
We're speaking with Joe Hallil here from News Nations Washington Correspondence.
They have already started talking about this second round here.
Like you had said earlier, Secretary Hegseth is not denied
anything yet, but from the sound and from the reports
(34:06):
I've seen from the President, it almost sounds as if
he is kind of merging these two together instead of
two separate incidents, because he was quoted by saying that's
old news.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, it seemed like the President was referring to the
first round of stories, which came out a couple of
weeks ago, because he was asked about it. Of all
places at the White House, easter egg roll, you know,
you got the Easter money there on the South Lawn
and the White House. But yeah, the President was essentially asked,
you know about this chat, whether he has faith still
(34:45):
in his Secretary of Defense basically dismissed the questions and said,
that's old news. You'll need to focus on something else.
It was not, in fact old news because the story
had just come out that weekend and he got the
questions on much day. You know, again, the first story,
we know all of the players who were in this
(35:05):
group chat because it had been published, and there was
accidentally a journalist that was included in that. That journalist
did not mention anywhere hegsth's family members. So that is
why we are to believe that this second chat was
a separate one entirely with some of the same information
in it, but that it included some different people. So
(35:28):
there it is a new story with new reporting and
the fact that there are two now it just adds
to the course of those who've criticized Hegseth and have
called on the President to replace him. Of course, President
Trump has not said he would do that. The Press
secretary said Trump is not going to do that, and
our sources we've spoken to say Hegseth, you know, it's
(35:50):
a concerning situation, but he is still for the moment
safe in his position. Now that could change, but that's
the case for now.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Part of these alligatations are pretty severe. The Pentagon and
the Congress have to be reacting to this somehow. The Pentagon,
I think, was already starting the investigation from the first incident.
Are they just going to add this on to it,
or are they going to treat it maybe as two
(36:19):
separate incidents, two strikes and hopefully not a third.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, full disclosure. I don't know the answer for certain,
but I would imagine we've seen in the past. What
I can speak to is that we've seen in the
past where Congress, for example, which is my regular day
job covering Congress, they have started an investigation in the
middle of that investigation, they've gotten new information or another
(36:45):
incident that arises, and they will just sort of assume
that into their original probe. So I imagine that the
questions now about this second round of reporting will likely
be included in the original investigation. However, the Pentagon is
doing it. We really want to caveat again for your
(37:07):
for your listeners. I don't know that for certain, but
that is what happened in the past.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
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Speaker 11 (37:27):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It kind of reminds me of a Matt Gates situation here.
I do not think the president is going to change,
unless maybe there's a few members of Congress that might
start an impeachment or something, or if the ground swell
of support changes. I think those might be the only
(37:52):
two ways that that Hegseeth doesn't survive this. What what
do you see on the horizon.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
For that Well, so far we have had one Republican
and I'm putting Democrats aside for now because there have
been several calls from Democrats to have hag Seth Replacedworth is.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Out for blood, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Right now, yeah, President Trump is not going to listen
to Democrats. But there's so far been one Republican who
is pretty high profile. His name is Congressman Don Bacon.
If your listeners aren't familiar, he's a Republican from Nebraska.
He's important because not only does he serve on the
House Armed Services Committee, he is also himself a general
(38:34):
in the Air Force, or was a general in the
Air Force before Congress. So this is someone who people
listen to. And he has suggested that if he were
in the White House, and he's not, but if he
were there, he would not tolerate this from his Secretary
of Defense. And he talked about how it is seriously
damaging to have all of these scandals because it's basically
(38:58):
a distraction to the mission of the Pentagon. So that
was a pretty big indictment coming from a Republican. It's
a good rule of thumb that if one person is
saying it out loud, there are probably others who believe
the same thing and are not saying it out loud.
And I've spoken to some other Republicans who have concerns
at least about Hegseth. The question that you're asking is
(39:18):
at what point does he become so toxic to President
Trump that the president ultimately makes a decision to let
him go. But we've seen President Trump in the past
fire people in his cabinet replace them in the first term.
That happened all the time. I don't know that that
would happen here, because you know, usually he would do
that for broadly lack of loyalty. I don't think there's
(39:44):
a loyalty question here with Secretary Hegseth to Donald Trump.
But I will say this, our sources we've spoken to
have told us if this becomes a consistent thorn in
the side of President Trump. In other words, if there
are several more scandals, several more headline and stories about
dysfunction within the Pentagon, that is not going to be
(40:05):
that's not going to bode well. And if it's a
continued distraction for the White House, that might come to
a head, and that may be a point where the
President decides to make a move. You'd imagine there have
to be some advisors very close to him, up to
and including Vice President Advance potentially that would have to
influence him to make a call like pulling the plug
(40:27):
on a Secretary of Defense. I don't think it's in
the cards immediately in the near term, but let's see
in the next three or four months if this continues
at the Pentagon and you've got people President Trump likes
describing it as a chaotic environment.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Joe, just like the first term, I think they're going
to have to start looking at a deeper bench for
a couple of different positions. But I appreciate your I
appreciate your time over here. Find Joe Hellil on x
X dot com. You can find him at Joe K
H A L I L t V. Joe, thank you
(41:06):
very much for being here with us. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Happy to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
More A political talk show will be back after these
quick messages. Go to the Hill dot com. Lots of
great ways to keep up with this ongoing story. Hegseth
pulled strike information from secure military channel for signal posts.
There's a report on that. And then also Secretary Hegseth
digs in as Democrats demand resignation. More a political talk
(41:35):
show after this.
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Welcome back to WRMN. This is a political talk show.
That's WRN fourteen ten AM and WRMN fourteen ten dot com.
We got a little bit of time. We'll go ahead
and go to a caller wireless caller number one. Hello,
welcome aboard.
Speaker 14 (45:26):
What would you like to talk about it? It's just hey,
there he is, Yeah, watch out. You know we were
talking earlier last last hour about environment. Okay. You know
I'm gonna well, here's the thing with the environment thing. Okay.
People are stupid, Okay, and I'm going to take the
(45:48):
heat for this from everybody because nobody reads signs and
nobody obeys the rules. I travel a lot. I'm a photographer.
Two and when I go out take pictures of stuff,
I'm like, during the winter time, it was over in Hawaii. Okay,
So petroglyphs, right, everybody talks about petroc glyphs, not just
(46:10):
no why, but other spots. What do I see next
to a petrolyft that somebody, you know, something that's thousands
of years old, I can of spray paint some goof
trying to make his own petric lyft. Okay, so that's
happening a lot in Hawaii. A lot. There's a lot
of destruction, a lot of garbage. Especially there a lot
(46:31):
of plastic bottles, you know, the water bottle type, and
you were talking about, you know, all this toxic stuff,
all the plastics, they're everywhere. The worst offenders are the
plastic bottles and those plastic bags. Yeah, okay, so people
don't understand that you can't just throw those out in
(46:55):
the ground and expect it to be you know, turtles,
Turtles are getting stuck with plastic bag wrapped around their necks.
And I'm just you know, that's just some of the stuff.
When I was with the for service or even now.
I mean, I go hiking a lot before my surgery,
I was going to hike a lot and a lot
(47:16):
of the sciences they pack it in, pack it out. Well,
you know what pack it in and pack it out means, right.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, you go, and if you're going to take it
out there with you, you better make sure that it
comes back out with you too. I mean it's like
people that eat those energy bars or whatever. They eat
the food, put it in their belly, but then they
don't take the garbage and pack it back out correct.
Speaker 14 (47:40):
And it's really bad in this country. And the left
wing people I'm gonna brain blame the most because they're
the ones saying global warming doing this, but they're some
of the worst offenders out there of this at all.
And I'm using it. You know, maybe I'm I'm blaming
the left more than right, but I see a lot
(48:01):
of lip service on the left and no no doing.
You could do the research on this, you can. People
can look this up. You go in a place that's
really nice, it's not your backyard, you know, don't trash
it up, you know, because I always like, you know,
I look at it this way. If you do that
to somebody else's backyard. How about if somebody comes to
(48:21):
your backyard and does the same thing.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, I tell my kids the animals live here. It's like,
are you going to throw that in the in the
middle of the living room at our house?
Speaker 10 (48:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Why are you going to do that to that squirrel?
We just saw? This is their living room?
Speaker 10 (48:35):
What do you?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (48:36):
What are my problems? I got this hang up with people,
and I understand it. You know, if you go to Yellowstone,
for instance, I've been there a couple of times, and
and people that are not born and raised in America
and their foreigners don't understand it. And and so you
see people taking selfies in hot spots, in a hot
(48:58):
boiling tubs. Sometimes some people go missing, you know, or
the guy that takes a selfie on the edge of
a rim of a grand canyon and falls off.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
What what words of wisdom do you have for us
for this, for this majestic of earth days, sir?
Speaker 14 (49:17):
Just pay attention to your surroundings, even in your own backyard.
You know, think about it. Would you want trash and
plastic and and things done to your backyard? Because if
you don't, then to go out in the woods and
do you know, do the opposite, because you're doing injustice
to people like myself that want to come and see
(49:38):
we get away. We want to see mother nature. We
want to see the sights and the sounds, you know,
and and you know, I could go on and on
about stuff like this. It isn't just it isn't just
the global warming. It isn't just the skies because people
forget about where we're standing on. People forget about the
water we drink, which is more concerning to you. The
(50:01):
water we drink or the air. Both should be, but
more importantly it should be the water. So think about that.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
I don't know, I can only survive maybe three minutes
without without air. I can survive I think, what is it,
three uh three three days without water?
Speaker 14 (50:20):
Yeah, so yeah, But but you know, I mean, I'm
kind of I don't mean to be so hot and
bothered about it, but well, I mean, I've got enough
information to back what I say up. But it's just
it's common sense. There's a lot of people that that
do work. I mean, I worked. I was on the
(50:43):
Strategic Planning Committee here and I was also the liaison
for the Natural Resources Committee in here in town, and
and they do a heck of a job. The guy
that runs the natural resource part of it does a
heck of a job doing stuff. But we rely heavily
on volunteers. There's lack of them anymore. Nobody wants to
do this stuff because everybody wants to go to a
Game boy or someplace and that and that kind of
(51:06):
bothers me.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
If people want, if people want information about where they
can volunteer, where can we go, what what clubs are
out there for it.
Speaker 14 (51:15):
Geneva Park District, well, that the King County Forest Preserve,
the Geneva Park District, that Saint Charles Park District, you guys,
your park district in in Elgin. They all have special
things that you could do. During the summertime. They have
camp for kids to do stuff and you know they
(51:36):
go up and down the river with the with the
canoes and kayaks and stuff. It's kind of fun, you know.
Speaker 12 (51:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, I've been looking at at cup Scouts and cup
Scouts and the Boy Boy Scouts of America was something
that I was looking at for my kids too. There's
lots of different ways to get involved with the environmental
clean up. The best way to do it is just
clean up after yourself, right, wash your dishes.
Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, the big exactly, the big exact disrespect mother nature.
You know, we can't do anything about like Heagsas or
whatever his name is. I can't even say that. I
think that was the wrong guy to begin with.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Okay, well that's why it was close to people, a
close vote to begin with either way. Happy Earth Day
to you, buddy, and Happy Earth Day to those of
you out there listening. We'll be back from more a
political talk show tomorrow, but stick around. Socks game coming
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