May 2, 2025 • 55 mins
Tonight Lynny & I welcome Chanda to share her story. A crime victim advocate for the Prosecutor's office for fifteen years, Chanda likewise advocates for her trans son, a natural reaction to the rising level of discrimination and hatred toward the trans community nationwide.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Only a.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Shi good evening everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am so thrilled to have my darling Lenny on
with us tonight and the beautiful Shonda Engels is now
a lot of my viewers are probably not familiar with
who you are, So if you could just take a
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few minutes and introduce yourself to our wonderful family, our audience,
our viewers, our friends that are out in the world
that need to know exis exactly who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well. My name is Shanda Ingalls and I met deb
years ago at the Para Con and she actually read
my trans son and that's how it all started as
far as entering into my paranormal family I call it.
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But what I do for a living is I'm a
victim advocate at my local prosecutor's office. I've been doing
that since twenty ten. Before that, I worked into strict
court for a couple of years, and I actually took
a pay cut to take the job that I have
now because it's what I felt called to do, and
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I handle like criminal sexual assault cases, domestic violence, anything
where there's a victim involved. I've been married for almost
twenty five years to a state trooper who is now
retired and is a boat captain, charter captain, fisherman, and
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so we both were in kind of the same line
of work where I could come home and we could
talk about things. And I am a mother to a
twenty four year old daughter and a thirty year old
trand son, and that has been a journey.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So well.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know that Lenny and I have You know, you
were at the event with us this past weekend, and
a great deal of attention was paid to the fact
that these perfectly lovely, wonderful people in our lives are
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being deliberately and maliciously targeted.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
At this time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's not that that hasn't always existed, you know, because
people easily hit what they understand. But now is the
time for us to stand up and to support and.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
For those in our lives who have gone through their
own journey of self discovery.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And so often, so often it.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Turns out that they don't have the support in the
community that they need around them, and they frequently fall
down into the pit of despair, right, and so it
is all the more important that we speak for the community.
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I don't believe that you have to actually be a
trans person in order to understand, appreciate, love, adore, and
cherish a trans person, right.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I think that we can learn from each other and
that we can expand our own consciousness about this. I also, personally,
I will say this, and I haven't said this too.
I don't think I've said this to either of you before,
But human beings are changing. We are changing, We are
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evolving spiritually, we are evolving.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
In terms of our own DNA.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We are I think that the very best of us
are the ones that are in tune with.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Female and male. Oh isn't that so sweet?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Look at all the people that are here and here.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
We have the support system built right into the show.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We are here.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
We are here, and so you know, let me spoke
at length about starting a larger support group, and so
you know, let's share that talk about what we are
doing in support of our brothers and our sisters, our
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evolved ones who need us to lift them to the life.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
So kind of what uh where we're going?
Speaker 7 (06:59):
And we're still in the very beginnings, but we chose
we are here.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
We are here to love, to learn, to support, to resist.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
As Andrea added, I yes, I did make the Facebook
group it is just titled we are here. I'll start putting.
I'll start adding to that. I just made it, so
I'll start adding to that and get resources. We want
to get resources, and then we also want real stories
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of real.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
People like you who are.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
We need to hear your story.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
We need to put names and faces to these problems
and try and find ways of supporting and helping people
that need it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, like I said before, just like during COVID, it
seemed like people didn't really care about things unless it
personally affected them.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I believe.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I believe that trans people are being dehumanized. Yes, And
it started out subtle. And even when it started out subtle,
I started screaming from the rooftops because that's who I am.
And I started trying to plead with people on Facebook,
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people that knew me.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Watch I watched the progression of your posts and.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Trying to humanize my child and try. You know, I
will say in my community, Shade is so well known
and his heart is so pure and good. And I
used to say when he was a little lord, I
don't know how I got this child because he is
not sassy like me at all, just the sweetest, the
most kind soul and people love him. They loved him
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before or he was Shade. So when the transition started,
I saw people that I thought maybe might vote a
certain sort of way or feel a sort of certain
sort of way and be very protective of him. And
I thought, if we could just have that everywhere where,
people could get to know the person and see their
humanity and who they are.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It's so easy to hate. Oh yeah, it's easier to
hate something you don't understand or fear has been your
top fear about it than to love and to accept.
So I don't know how far back you want me
to go.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
As far back as you'll take us, because like how old,
I mean, I don't know Shade stories, So.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I love to hear what want to share.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
One of my funny stories that I like to tell
was Shade was about four years old and we had
gotten him a barbie, okay, and we had this big
tub he liked to play in, and he also you know,
had like dinosaurs in there and you know, alligators and
things like that. So the barbie was in the bathtub
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and I came in and I said, what are you doing?
And the barbie was completely naked and it was just
the feet hanging out of the alligator's mouth. Look at
me and said, he was hungry like this Barbie. That's
about as far as that barbie was gonna There was
gonna be no combing of the hair and dressing in
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pretty dresses. And obviously boys and girls both like to
play with dinosaurs. And I don't mean but it was
just funny because it was like hmm, And we always knew.
We as Shade got older, we always knew expected you know,
that Shade was gay and that wasn't even a discussion
or you know, but through the teenage years. I can
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even look back now and see the pictures of him
in a homecoming dress and realize how very uncomfortable, yeah
he was, and he was probably doing it, not probably,
he was doing it because that's what was expected.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And I came into his room one time and I
found something he was using to bind himself. So I
held it up and I said, do you want those
suckers cut off? And he said yeah. I said, okay,
let's start it. And that's how that's how it started.
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We started going to the doctors and the therapy and
all the things that you need to do to have
that surgery.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
And this was at what age.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We started the therapy. More in his twenties for the surgery,
started getting super serious about it. And then a great
doctor started up in Travers City where we would normally
have to travel to, like ann Arbor or other places
I think it's going to And once that started, that
doctor was amazing and got us swooped up with a
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surgeon in Grand Rapids and think about twenty eight, maybe
it was May. It was actually this month that he
had the top surgery. And before they had started the hormones.
And I'm gonna tell you something, I and other people
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started noticing it too, And it's undeniable is how he
started to glow. And he was always kind of shy,
but there was this confidence in this glow that started
emanating from him that people could not ignore. They could
not ignore. You know, he stuck up for himself a
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little bit more. He did things that you know, before
he would not and I'd be the you know, the
grizzly bear mother going. They said, what to you?
Speaker 6 (12:50):
You know, and you know doing that boundaries.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes, he started drawing his own boundaries and not letting
people treat him a certain way, and you know, and
so once everything started clicking and everything, it was just
like watching a flower bloom. How can you say this
was the wrong thing when it was so the right thing?
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And I had someone recently ask me, actually, well, was
it really devastating for you? And I said, what would
have been more devastating for me was to come home
and find my child hanging in the closet. Because there
are times back then that I didn't know what was wrong, wrong, right, Yeah,
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And I there was some dark periods where I was
afraid of that. So hell no, I did have to
do the three things. Let go, accept, and grieve. Yeah,
And that's important because I had to grieve the little girl,
the beautiful little girl that I gave birth to. Because
you hold your baby, you name your baby, you have
this idea in your head of what your life is
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going to be, so you have to grieve that. And
I remember I found this picture that I had his
dead name, and every letter had this little cute thing
and it was pink and butterflies and all these things.
And he wasn't around, of course, and I found it
and I hugged it and I just bawled. I had
to do that because once I did that, I could
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then celebrate Shade. Yeah, but I had to let go
of my idea of what my life was going to
be with my daughter, right, Yes, And I've gotten to
the point now you're going to make mistakes. You're going
to make mistakes, and you're you know, you gave birth
to this child, and you're going to accidentally make mistakes.
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And now I've gotten to the point where we're starting
the paperwork for a legal name change. And when I
have to like say the dead name or say the
wrong gender, it feels very uncomfortable to me, and it
feels wrong, and I'm lying, you know, I don't mess
up anymore. I don't make those mistakes anymore because I
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have fully and it's not about me, right, it's about
Shade as his mother and somebody who's going to advocate
for him. I can't have one foot in and one
foot out right it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
All and it's all or nothing proposition.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah. And I found it in a good way that
I was upset about having to say the wrong gender
or it bothers me. So it's it's a good feeling
at the same time because now I know that, you know,
I don't think I say I have a son without hesitation,
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and you know, I just wish that for everyone. I
wish every trans you know, Shade's thirty now, but I
mean every trans child, every trans teen, has somebody that
loves them enough to love their entire soul and who
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they really are.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The thing that's so upsetting to me is the way
that so many people treat the trans community as though
they are freaks of nature. Yes, now, this is a big,
complicated world.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Frogs carry the.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Material that a male frog can convert to a female frog,
give birth to, you know, have eggs, and then transform
back to being a male frog, and will do that
time and time again through the course of its life,
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depending on who's around to mate with. I think that
each one of us is born with you know, it's
not just about chromosomes. I think it's about our soul.
And I think that somebody that has a well developed
sense of self recognizes that there are elements of each
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and every one of us that are male and female both.
There are, you know, many people that are born into
this world with the with not only the genetics, but
the actual physical form of two sets of genitalia. And
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it's you know that at one time were called hermaphrodites.
And when I think that this has existed throughout the
course of human history, and it hasn't been until like
the last fifty years or so that we've had the
medical technology to help people that truly believe they.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Were born in the wrong body, that they.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Are not able to express themselves according to what they
perceive themselves to be versus.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
What the world tells them.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They are, that there's a liberation and a freedom in that.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
That is being denied.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, in some states, some states, it's not legal to
help your child transition.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And it child into the world. But you no longer
have any choice.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
In the matter, nor does the child, because some fucked
up politician who has zero understanding about this and has
never bothered to get educated on the subject, has rammed
something down the throw of the entire population of their
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state Texas, you know, among others. And it just makes
me furious. It makes me furious. I have always said,
no one is free until everyone it's free.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, and they spin this that it's a mental illness,
and it's this and that, And you know what's interesting
about when I do have anybody that tries to come
at me a certain sort of way. Is what I
do for a living is I deal with a lot
of CSS child sexual victims that I hold their hands,
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I look in their parents' eyes. I deal with case
after case after case. And guess who is never the
defendant in those matters, hands or queen. It's the people
in your community that you trust. I'm just saying, it's
people who are left alone with children that you trust.
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And I have a list, but I won't go into it.
But it's you know, for you know, the mother's boyfriend,
of course, things like that. But a lot of times
it is somebody who you would never imagine in a
million years, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
The youth youth pastor, the youth pastor.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Every every three years, I'm Presbyterian, I'm very active in
my church. I am a Christian, and every three years
I have to go through uh Criminal Sexual conduct training
and we have to carry this big, huge, hefty insurance
policy just because of that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So, yes, it's interesting open seas about it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Well, yep, it is open season on women and children.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, it is not only in our society but all
around the world. Right, the vulnerable, right, the weak, vulnerable,
the ones that are left susceptible.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, and I've always been kind of sassy pretty much
my whole life. This job has made me decide, when
I started seeing certain things that are heading in a
certain direction in this country, that I have decided that
I was made for this ship.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Got my vote.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yes, I've been I've been cheering you on from a
background for a while.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I know I've been a little crazy because normally I
keep it light, I keep it on Facebook, and I
have been. I've been wild. No, and it's time I'm
shut up and sit down anytime soon.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So yeah, no, you cannot.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
You cannot be quiet.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Now you cannot.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's time to fight back.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yes, this is evil and if you don't fight evil
with good, if you do not shine a light into
the darkness, yep, we're all lost.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
We're all lost.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
The same qualities that people might say were why they
were friends with me, or you know, I was the
friend in the group they knew that, would you know,
say something? My loud mouth is coming in handy, because
don't you feel like public everything down in front of me,
I'm going to say something. I'm not going to be quiet.
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I see you if I see you be hateful or
prejudiced towards a brown person in front of me, you
better hold on tight, because I'm not going to be
the one that's not going to say anything. I can
trust that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes, I know, I'm exactly the same way. I have
been an activistic human rights activist and gay rights activist,
and women's rights activist and animal rights activist.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
My whole life.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I started going to protest marches when I was ten
years old with my mother to protest the Vietnam War
and the presidency of Richard Nixon. Now I'm sixty six
years old. I've been at this for all long.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
And your mother and your mother showed you.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
See.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
My mother passed away last year as well, unexpectedly. She
was only seventy. And my mother was a tall redhead
and she always worked in outreach, whether it be Red
Cross or just over the years. It's my mom was.
She was a fiery redhead and she was you know.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
She taught me.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
She taught me to use my voice, and she taught
me between right and wrong. She taught me that the
first time I heard certain slurs and I asked her
what they mean, that she would sit me down and
she would have a long talk with me about it.
And you know, you aspire with your mom over certain things,
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and when you grow and then you sit and think
about how much she did form you and your way
of thinking. And so last year I took and this
is one of the things I the reason why I
bring up my mother is because she was one of
Shade's strongest advocates.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
I was going to ask ye yes.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And she did not mess up hardly at all with
his gender, his name. I mean, she had it instantly.
I'm still struggling, the mother, and she was.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Like, it's hard, it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
We all make adjustments all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, her love for Shade and my youngest doesn't take
offense at all that the bond they had was just
kind of respect, you know. And so my mom's love
for Shade transcended, you know, about anything. So when she passed,
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interestingly enough, Shade had been on a two year waiting
list for an apartment because you know, the housing crisis
we have going on. My mom passed and I shit
you not two days later this apartment that Shade really
wanted because it was near us and it was near
his work, and we thought, no way it's going to
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be another year. He got a call an apartment was
open for him, and all my mom's furniture and basically
a lot of her things just got transferred over into
that nice So it was just like I felt like
it was my mom taking care of them. Oh she would,
she'd be on the other side making shit happen.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah, so she made a half her from that side.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
What about other what about other family?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How?
Speaker 7 (26:12):
How where where in Michigan. You're right, but you live rural.
We should probably let people know where you live in
Michigan because, yes, below.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Traverse citym not gonna Bear Lake.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
So rural rud Michigan is where you live pretty much.
Being close to Traverse City, you're probably not quite as bad.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, I'd say, there's like packets, Yeah, there is, you know,
And then there are some people that just don't talk
about it at all because it gets so heated. We
have rules in certain places that I hang out with.
It's just like it can't be a topic, right unless
you know, unless somebody was to say something or whatever,
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then I'm going off a freight train. But other than that,
we just make an agreement to not talk about it.
But I just feel lately that I just can't certain
I can't talk to you right now certain people I
just can't even yes.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, and that's and that's what's happened, and that's part
of the division, because a permission structure has been granted
and insinuated into the population that is carte blosh for
any kind of bigotry, any kind of misogyny, any kind
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of Yeah, I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You don't see it.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
How can you denies it?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well, they're living in bad faith if they do not it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean it is just look at what's happening with
all these hateful laws that are being instilled. I mean,
we just found out today that, you know, planned parenthood,
even in states where women can still access a safe
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legal abortion, planned parenthood is being defunded there. They will
do anything and everything at their disposal to try to
take us back one hundred years, to take us back
to a time when women had no right to owning property,
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when women had no bodily autonomy, when women had no
right to vote, when women I mean, that's anybody wants
to see what's happening in this country right now. It
was out months before the last election. It's called twenty
twenty five. It is all about fascism, and it is
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all about.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Something that is so detrimental to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Our society that it is frightening, absolutely frightening to me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
When I post things about Project twenty twenty five, people
would argue with me. People I know you could post
the actual project.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I guarantee you not one of them that complained about
it ever read it.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
No guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I mean, if you actually read it, it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
It's terrifying, absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Yeah, because some of it's already come true, right already,
it already come true, and they've been playing the long game.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I can tell you this.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
We're not the same women anymore.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh we're not.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And you know what, I fought for women's rights when
I was a teenager, and I'm sixty six years old,
and I'm willing to get right back out there and
fight like hell again, fight like hell my lungs.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Sometimes I feel like saying, you know, to certain women,
don't worry, I'll fight for you. Yeah, you just sit back,
you have your blinders on. You know, you worship your daddy,
dumpy pants, and I'll fight for you. That's how I
feel lately. Yeah, because I just don't get it. I
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just as a strong woman, and I get it that look,
I hope domestic violence victims. I get women who are
trapped or they don't have to say and they don't
have a voice. But when you do, yeah, and you
still sit by and act like this is okay and
it's not going to happen.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You know, I just can't wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Right. Well, like we talked, you know about this weekend,
it is up to white women.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
We have got we've got to step up. We've got
to step up. We've got to be the protectors. Now,
we have to be the voice.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yes, I totally agree, mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's love seeing on TikTok. I love seeing on TikTok.
It's one of my favorite things of seeing every time
there's a protest saying you stay, you have yourself, a
nice cup of hot tea. We got this, Yeah, we
got it time. And I did say and I did
go to our local protest here in Manistee, and I
can tell you there was seven hundred people that showed
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up and.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It was amazing, and it was so empowering, and it
felt like you're doing you know, me being on the
show tonight makes me feel like I'm doing something.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
You are doing something.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
You are something you do.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I went down to our local Social Security office on
Wednesday with my sister and my niece Nicole, and my nephew.
Her younger brother, Sam was driving through the intersection in
his big ass truck. Looks like a good old boy Okay,
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I mean he does. He's you know, he's the old
Georgia good old boy thing going.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I don't know a more enlightened man than my Sam.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And he looks over at our protest group and he's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
That's my sister, my aunt, and that's.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
My other aunt. And he pulls into the.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Parking lot and walks over and joins us, and somebody
put up a poster in his hand, and there was
And we live in a blood red state, in a
broad red county. And I can't tell you how many
people at the busiest intersection in this entire town, how
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many people hit their warns, wave and out their cars
lapping out the wind.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
It was just like.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Their windows down and shouting messages of support for what
we were doing. Like I'd be there if I didn't
have to work today, I'd be here.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Well, people about to read that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
People were yelling get a job, and we're like, it's Saturday,
but you.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Can't clip For all the people that showed up front
one hundred day thing in what mane or wherever?
Speaker 6 (33:53):
What about all them that was workday.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
All the protests for COVID, you know, we're you know.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Well, my favorite, my favorite sign, my my favorite expression
for all through that. You know, like you have bodily
autonomy and can decide whether or not to protect the
world from your virus with a mask.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, and that's okay. You can deny that.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And my response to that is you go have a
cup of shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I don't want to hear it. I do not want
to hear it. I am done.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I will fight with my last breath. I will fight
for our right to autonomy, for our right to preserve
our beautiful, wonderful democracy. I will not this, this will
not stand, will not take it.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
And you know what, Yeah, I didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
This had to happen to wake people up.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I honestly truly believe that. I truly believe that, and
I part of the four a m. Club. I woke
up that night clawing and scratching and I couldn't breathe,
and I knew something was wrong. And I looked at
my phone and I saw it and I'm just like,
something is not right. At the same time, I felt
like the lesson is about to be.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Yeah, I was awake and I had that happen. I
mean it was it was you felt it.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You just felt like a whole ship.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, it's the paradigm shift.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah, it was actually felt the paradigm shift.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
And this has been ongoing now since really it began.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
In December of twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
According to the Mayan calendar, when we left the Age
of Pisces and entered the Age of Aquarius. And that,
you know, there's been so much that has happened since
then then literally altered the face of the earth and
the humanity on it. I mean, they're so much has changed,
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but we have to you know.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think it was deb that I was talking to
about this, or maybe Jamila when remember the Olympics and
the strong, wonderful, built like brick shit house women lined
up to do the one hundred meter dash and they
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all lined up along the street line.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
And what do they do?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
What do they do before they take off like a shot,
They take a giant step back, find their balance, find
their equilibrium, put their heads down and go. And that's
where we are now. We are the rise of the
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sake feminine energy. We together will save this world. Nobody's
going to step in and do it for us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Nobody's gonna save us this time. No, nobody's saying them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
We have to learn our own lessons. We have to
learn our own lessons the hard way. Well, this is
the hard way. And until everyone is touched by the evil,
by the permission structure that is allowing the rise of fascism,
(37:34):
that is allowing neo Nazism a voice, that is allowing
people at the table who have no business there and
don't have the best interest of the people of this
country or the world in their hearts, if they've even
(37:54):
got them. As I often say, you cannot have a
crisis of conscience, if if you don't get conscience. You know,
we are looking at like this beehive of these busy, busy,
busy little bees.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
That are all.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Just doing what the queen is telling them to do,
or King and with no notion of the destruction that
it is causing.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
No care, no concern.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
The agenda is their own and mindlessly going forward with
that agenda no matter who it hurts, no matter who
it hurts. And we are the ones that have to
put our hands up and say stop stop it, stop
it now. You are outnumbered. This is never going to fly.
(38:56):
You might feel like you might maybe make a little
bit of progress quote unquote toward your agenda, but it's
not the right agenda.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Everyone has a right to exist. Yes, everyone has a
right to exist and a right to their own body.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I mean, why does it bother someone so much for
someone to want to live their truth? How does it
affect your life? And they for you know, the bathrooms
And I'm going to tell you something. You know, Shade
is a transman is going to be the correct bathroom.
And I stand out there sometimes and count the damn
minutes till my kid comes out and no one has
(39:45):
hurt him. Yeah, So don't you tell me that you're
afraid when all they want to be able to do
is go into the bathroom that makes them feel comfortable
and go to the bathroom and no one hurt them.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
Yeah, no, one hurt them exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
No secret, there's no agenda of them wanting to do
an entire sex change so they can hurt somebody. I mean,
get real, you sound like an idiot. I mean, on
the way back from Para Con last year, we stopped
at a rest up.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
M M.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Shade confidently walked into the men's room and I stood
in that little lobby area breathing until he came out
and didn't say anything to him. But I am terrified
somebody's going to realize it and hurt him.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
And then I will be on death row.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But anyway, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'll help you bury the body, honey first, because she
lives a lot closer. But I'll do I'll do my part.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Yes, you can call her.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I mean, it's just so silly to me. And when
I see people get spun up under a guise of
of protecting women.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, okay, I ever heard it.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I don't, I don't. I just need them to leave
me alone. I yeah, we're protected, they leave us.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, that need the protection of something masogynist who thinks
that he's better than every woman that was ever born.
When that motherfucker came out of the womb of a woman.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
Exactly exactly, now, Seanda, what what kind of like I
see in you? You know, of fierceness? But how have
how have things changed? Because you've become very, very vocal?
So what's changed for you? Was it that like four
am waking up feeling you've become a lot more fierce,
(41:53):
maybe a lot more vocal.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Well, to be honest with you, that first week, I
realized that I was googling an underground railroad to get
my trans kits in safety. And I realized as I
was doing it that that was making me so angry
that I almost wanted to vomit, and that I should
not have to be doing this and I should not
(42:15):
have this fear. And so I decided that what I
do for a living is not the reason. But I too,
it's time.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, it's time.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's time. And I if anybody has a problem with
what I'm saying, there's the door.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Then you shouldn't be in my life. Don't tell me
that you love Shade or care about them, and then
vote for someone who wants to strip him of his rights,
that possibly wants to round him up and take him
to a camp I just also my intuitive abilities were
just kicking an overdrive of this is bad, this is bad,
(42:58):
this is bad, sick, and just knowing no one's going
to tell me it's going to be okay. No, it's
not okay, it's not okay. And I know it's a.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Better part of a decade now of my life knowing
that nothing is okay about this, nothing is okay about this.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I mean, let's face it, America rehired a convicted felon okay,
I mean, yeah, yeah, a predator because of the price
of eggs and red No, bullshit, that is not the reason.
(43:43):
It was because just a few too many people in
this country could not bring themselves to vote for a
black woman Carriod couldn't do it, including plenty of black men,
plenty of Hispanic men, and plenty of women.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Lessons to be learned, Lessons.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
To be learned, That's right, because do you think right now,
one hundred plus days in that we would have had
a crashed economy, that we would have had a backsliding
in terms of voters' rights, in terms of women's rights,
in terms of even animal rights. I mean a deliberate
(44:33):
taking backward from an administration that was run by a
woman who was progressive, who left office with her counterpart,
leaving us the strongest economy, the only economy in the
world that bounced back from a global pandemic as fast
(44:56):
as we did, the envy of the world. And since
then we have lost eleven trillion dollars in value in
terms of our exchange of the dollar is no longer
considered strongest currency in the world.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
People don't want to buy our bonds. They don't want to.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
They went round us, They went right around.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Us, making our best neighbor.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
When people line up on one side of the Detroit
River and on the other side with bullhorns yelling you
were so sorry.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It wasn't us. We didn't do it. Please forgive us.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
You know, we had people that are friends of ours
in Canada that wanted to come to the event in
Houghton Lake and they didn't come because they were afraid
to come to the United sl States.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Will not I to blame them, No, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Last week was security. Next week is the VA. My
father went into the VA. He's almost ninety years old.
He went into the VA. He's got some issues with
his eyes and he needed some drops. And he went
up to the counter to talk to the pharmacist to
get his prescription filled. And the pharmacist said, go have
(46:29):
lunch and come back a little later. And then he
came back and he sat for another hour and a half.
He's almost ninety years old. And he sat for another
hour and a half. And he got up and he
walked over to the desk and said, is there a problem,
And the pharmacist, with tears in his eyes, said, yes, Roger,
(46:53):
there's a problem. Last week there were five pharmacists in
this va hospital and now it's just me fire no
cause they did cause of that, which son of a
bitch wants to line his pockets more. And when a
(47:14):
society values its currency more than its citizenry, we've got
a problem. So ladies, you know I mean you were there, spend.
Nothing got held back, nothing.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
Got held back.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
It was not only about healing and about coming together.
It was about empowerment, each of us holding the hands
of the other.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yea saying this will not stand.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
We need more of that, We need more.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Absolutely, Then he.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Come get me, honey, bring the doggie down for a.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
With you.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
Yes, even supporting each other on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I have a whole group of friends that nobody really
argues with me much on Facebook. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Afraid of you they should be.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I just delete their comments because they want to argue
and they don't make any sense half the time.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Lenny, Lenny is the cat, you know in the Cat
and Mouse.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Lenny takes care of all my Facebook everything, especially with
my diagnosis.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And I'm like, I got you.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Know, yeah, you don't need it, you don't need care
of you.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And so I'll put a post out and you know,
I put out a meme, a powerful post, pictures in
the whole nine yards, and then I'll just let her know, Lenny,
just keep an eye out, Just keep an eye out,
because you know, scumbags trolls their comments.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
They serve your space.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
So but she.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Tortures them first before she actually deletes them and blocks them.
She met in the mouse, you know where, like the
mouse is dying and it doesn't even know why it's
dying because it doesn't even have a puncture wound in it,
because she has just tortured it for half an hour.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
And then look at her acting like she's all sweeter.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
I don't know what she's talking about.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
She takes she takes pleasure.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
One would say that about me. They would not be shocked,
but I would tear someone a new ahole.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Zero, zero tolerance for ignorance. Zero will not put up
with it. Not. I mean when we had the big
national march, the first big one on April fifth, my
whole entire family went, We passed cars, I had friends
that came in from other states so that we could
(50:05):
all go together. And that was just the first and
the next and the next and the next. And he
can pretend that he's not noticing that milk of people
are flooding the rural towns of this country, the cities
of this country, the streets of this country, saying this.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Will not stand.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
And what are we saying, Lenny, We are here.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
I love that here. We're here.
Speaker 6 (50:38):
We're not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
No, we're not.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Going see okay, mean Bill said, we only have five
minutes left a.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Minute ago, and you're having fun line. I know, no,
I know it.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
But this has been wonderful and we want you to
come back next week so that we can talk more
about this. Because I think Bill's got like how many
or ten boxes that we can fit on the screen
we'll just send links to everybody.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Puppy, Okay, he says.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
We have ten so we can be at the end
of a time, okay, and we'll and so that everybody
can come on and talk about this incredible event. And
then let's also mention that I will be back in Michigan,
if not before, I will be back for UFO contact.
Speaker 6 (51:31):
Last week of September.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Last weekend of September, and I'll probably stay a couple
of extra days so that we have time.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
To make our plans. You know, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Bring your hats, Ladies, bring your hats, because.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Sometimes you just gotta put the hat on and let
them know who they're messing.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
They are going to.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Lose the battle, they are going to lose the war.
They are going to and you know, and to me,
this is you are so sweet. She's so beautiful, isn't she.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
We have we're on a mission. We're a mission.
Speaker 7 (52:19):
And if you're on a mission, Shanda, do you do
you feel like you do you feel?
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Because that's what.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
That's a feeling that I have had since the election
is I've been just absolutely spurred to protect you know, everybody.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yes, I feel like I can't stay quiet. Yes, and
I feel like I'm down for whatever. Yes, I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
That's what we need.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, yeah, and we will if we will, and we
will support each other and love each other and lift
each other up.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
And inspire each other. And that will not stop.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It will only grow exponentially because purpose and reason we
were born to be at this time in the course
of human evolution, and Shade is an integral part of
that evolution. And you tell him, I said, so, okay, Yeah,
(53:21):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
And Shade wanted to go to Paraquan for his twenty
first birthday. He loved to listen to you speak, Andrea. Yeah,
he loved to listen to Andrea speak. And my kids
would only get up early if like John Tunny was
speaking or something that, you know, they would sleep in.
(53:48):
They're like, ah, but that was what they paid attention to,
was of Andrew. When is Andrea speaking and Andrea and
John Tenny, that's all.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
They well, you know, when deb first founded UFL Contact,
she built it around the two of us, and and
for years it's you know, it's it's been that way.
We had a couple last year. I couldn't go because
I had just been diagnosed, and you know it was
but I came through online. I was there in spirit,
(54:19):
I was on a screen, I was there in computers.
I was there, you know. And uh, and we will
do it again, and we will do it again, and
we will do it again, and we will have more
events where we get together to empower each other to heal,
you know, Bill, wrap it up?
Speaker 5 (54:41):
Yeah really?
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Okay, Well I said a little while about go have them.
Speaker 7 (54:46):
Yeah, so everybody watch Facebook, watch the space. I'll put
everything out there.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah okay, and put it on Buttercup and put it
on my page ten and keep to with the mice.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Okay, I keep trying with the mice.
Speaker 6 (55:02):
Okay, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
I love you girls. You have a wonderful night.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
Everybody joined us.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Be inspired, Be the beacon of hope on the hill,
Be the change you wish to see in the world,
and be the light you seek.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
God, damn it, be the light you seek. All right,
And we are here, and we are here.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
Good night, every night.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
Good night,
Only a.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Shi good evening everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am so thrilled to have my darling Lenny on
with us tonight and the beautiful Shonda Engels is now
a lot of my viewers are probably not familiar with
who you are, So if you could just take a
(01:46):
few minutes and introduce yourself to our wonderful family, our audience,
our viewers, our friends that are out in the world
that need to know exis exactly who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well. My name is Shanda Ingalls and I met deb
years ago at the Para Con and she actually read
my trans son and that's how it all started as
far as entering into my paranormal family I call it.
(02:26):
But what I do for a living is I'm a
victim advocate at my local prosecutor's office. I've been doing
that since twenty ten. Before that, I worked into strict
court for a couple of years, and I actually took
a pay cut to take the job that I have
now because it's what I felt called to do, and
(02:50):
I handle like criminal sexual assault cases, domestic violence, anything
where there's a victim involved. I've been married for almost
twenty five years to a state trooper who is now
retired and is a boat captain, charter captain, fisherman, and
(03:12):
so we both were in kind of the same line
of work where I could come home and we could
talk about things. And I am a mother to a
twenty four year old daughter and a thirty year old
trand son, and that has been a journey.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So well.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know that Lenny and I have You know, you
were at the event with us this past weekend, and
a great deal of attention was paid to the fact
that these perfectly lovely, wonderful people in our lives are
(03:57):
being deliberately and maliciously targeted.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
At this time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's not that that hasn't always existed, you know, because
people easily hit what they understand. But now is the
time for us to stand up and to support and.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
For those in our lives who have gone through their
own journey of self discovery.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And so often, so often it.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Turns out that they don't have the support in the
community that they need around them, and they frequently fall
down into the pit of despair, right, and so it
is all the more important that we speak for the community.
(05:09):
I don't believe that you have to actually be a
trans person in order to understand, appreciate, love, adore, and
cherish a trans person, right.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I think that we can learn from each other and
that we can expand our own consciousness about this. I also, personally,
I will say this, and I haven't said this too.
I don't think I've said this to either of you before,
But human beings are changing. We are changing, We are
(05:47):
evolving spiritually, we are evolving.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
In terms of our own DNA.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We are I think that the very best of us
are the ones that are in tune with.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Female and male. Oh isn't that so sweet?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Look at all the people that are here and here.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
We have the support system built right into the show.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We are here.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
We are here, and so you know, let me spoke
at length about starting a larger support group, and so
you know, let's share that talk about what we are
doing in support of our brothers and our sisters, our
(06:47):
evolved ones who need us to lift them to the life.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
So kind of what uh where we're going?
Speaker 7 (06:59):
And we're still in the very beginnings, but we chose
we are here.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
We are here to love, to learn, to support, to resist.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
As Andrea added, I yes, I did make the Facebook
group it is just titled we are here. I'll start putting.
I'll start adding to that. I just made it, so
I'll start adding to that and get resources. We want
to get resources, and then we also want real stories
(07:37):
of real.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
People like you who are.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
We need to hear your story.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
We need to put names and faces to these problems
and try and find ways of supporting and helping people
that need it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, like I said before, just like during COVID, it
seemed like people didn't really care about things unless it
personally affected them.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So I believe.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I believe that trans people are being dehumanized. Yes, And
it started out subtle. And even when it started out subtle,
I started screaming from the rooftops because that's who I am.
And I started trying to plead with people on Facebook,
(08:28):
people that knew me.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Watch I watched the progression of your posts and.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Trying to humanize my child and try. You know, I
will say in my community, Shade is so well known
and his heart is so pure and good. And I
used to say when he was a little lord, I
don't know how I got this child because he is
not sassy like me at all, just the sweetest, the
most kind soul and people love him. They loved him
(08:59):
before or he was Shade. So when the transition started,
I saw people that I thought maybe might vote a
certain sort of way or feel a sort of certain
sort of way and be very protective of him. And
I thought, if we could just have that everywhere where,
people could get to know the person and see their
humanity and who they are.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It's so easy to hate. Oh yeah, it's easier to
hate something you don't understand or fear has been your
top fear about it than to love and to accept.
So I don't know how far back you want me
to go.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
As far back as you'll take us, because like how old,
I mean, I don't know Shade stories, So.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I love to hear what want to share.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
One of my funny stories that I like to tell
was Shade was about four years old and we had
gotten him a barbie, okay, and we had this big
tub he liked to play in, and he also you know,
had like dinosaurs in there and you know, alligators and
things like that. So the barbie was in the bathtub
(10:08):
and I came in and I said, what are you doing?
And the barbie was completely naked and it was just
the feet hanging out of the alligator's mouth. Look at
me and said, he was hungry like this Barbie. That's
about as far as that barbie was gonna There was
gonna be no combing of the hair and dressing in
(10:30):
pretty dresses. And obviously boys and girls both like to
play with dinosaurs. And I don't mean but it was
just funny because it was like hmm, And we always knew.
We as Shade got older, we always knew expected you know,
that Shade was gay and that wasn't even a discussion
or you know, but through the teenage years. I can
(10:52):
even look back now and see the pictures of him
in a homecoming dress and realize how very uncomfortable, yeah
he was, and he was probably doing it, not probably,
he was doing it because that's what was expected.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And I came into his room one time and I
found something he was using to bind himself. So I
held it up and I said, do you want those
suckers cut off? And he said yeah. I said, okay,
let's start it. And that's how that's how it started.
(11:29):
We started going to the doctors and the therapy and
all the things that you need to do to have
that surgery.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
And this was at what age.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We started the therapy. More in his twenties for the surgery,
started getting super serious about it. And then a great
doctor started up in Travers City where we would normally
have to travel to, like ann Arbor or other places
I think it's going to And once that started, that
doctor was amazing and got us swooped up with a
(12:01):
surgeon in Grand Rapids and think about twenty eight, maybe
it was May. It was actually this month that he
had the top surgery. And before they had started the hormones.
And I'm gonna tell you something, I and other people
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started noticing it too, And it's undeniable is how he
started to glow. And he was always kind of shy,
but there was this confidence in this glow that started
emanating from him that people could not ignore. They could
not ignore. You know, he stuck up for himself a
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little bit more. He did things that you know, before
he would not and I'd be the you know, the
grizzly bear mother going. They said, what to you?
Speaker 6 (12:50):
You know, and you know doing that boundaries.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes, he started drawing his own boundaries and not letting
people treat him a certain way, and you know, and
so once everything started clicking and everything, it was just
like watching a flower bloom. How can you say this
was the wrong thing when it was so the right thing?
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And I had someone recently ask me, actually, well, was
it really devastating for you? And I said, what would
have been more devastating for me was to come home
and find my child hanging in the closet. Because there
are times back then that I didn't know what was wrong, wrong, right, Yeah,
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And I there was some dark periods where I was
afraid of that. So hell no, I did have to
do the three things. Let go, accept, and grieve. Yeah,
And that's important because I had to grieve the little girl,
the beautiful little girl that I gave birth to. Because
you hold your baby, you name your baby, you have
this idea in your head of what your life is
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going to be, so you have to grieve that. And
I remember I found this picture that I had his
dead name, and every letter had this little cute thing
and it was pink and butterflies and all these things.
And he wasn't around, of course, and I found it
and I hugged it and I just bawled. I had
to do that because once I did that, I could
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then celebrate Shade. Yeah, but I had to let go
of my idea of what my life was going to
be with my daughter, right, Yes, And I've gotten to
the point now you're going to make mistakes. You're going
to make mistakes, and you're you know, you gave birth
to this child, and you're going to accidentally make mistakes.
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And now I've gotten to the point where we're starting
the paperwork for a legal name change. And when I
have to like say the dead name or say the
wrong gender, it feels very uncomfortable to me, and it
feels wrong, and I'm lying, you know, I don't mess
up anymore. I don't make those mistakes anymore because I
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have fully and it's not about me, right, it's about
Shade as his mother and somebody who's going to advocate
for him. I can't have one foot in and one
foot out right it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
All and it's all or nothing proposition.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah. And I found it in a good way that
I was upset about having to say the wrong gender
or it bothers me. So it's it's a good feeling
at the same time because now I know that, you know,
I don't think I say I have a son without hesitation,
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and you know, I just wish that for everyone. I
wish every trans you know, Shade's thirty now, but I
mean every trans child, every trans teen, has somebody that
loves them enough to love their entire soul and who
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they really are.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
The thing that's so upsetting to me is the way
that so many people treat the trans community as though
they are freaks of nature. Yes, now, this is a big,
complicated world.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Frogs carry the.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Material that a male frog can convert to a female frog,
give birth to, you know, have eggs, and then transform
back to being a male frog, and will do that
time and time again through the course of its life,
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depending on who's around to mate with. I think that
each one of us is born with you know, it's
not just about chromosomes. I think it's about our soul.
And I think that somebody that has a well developed
sense of self recognizes that there are elements of each
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and every one of us that are male and female both.
There are, you know, many people that are born into
this world with the with not only the genetics, but
the actual physical form of two sets of genitalia. And
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it's you know that at one time were called hermaphrodites.
And when I think that this has existed throughout the
course of human history, and it hasn't been until like
the last fifty years or so that we've had the
medical technology to help people that truly believe they.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Were born in the wrong body, that they.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Are not able to express themselves according to what they
perceive themselves to be versus.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
What the world tells them.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They are, that there's a liberation and a freedom in that.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
That is being denied.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, in some states, some states, it's not legal to
help your child transition.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And it child into the world. But you no longer
have any choice.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
In the matter, nor does the child, because some fucked
up politician who has zero understanding about this and has
never bothered to get educated on the subject, has rammed
something down the throw of the entire population of their
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state Texas, you know, among others. And it just makes
me furious. It makes me furious. I have always said,
no one is free until everyone it's free.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, and they spin this that it's a mental illness,
and it's this and that, And you know what's interesting
about when I do have anybody that tries to come
at me a certain sort of way. Is what I
do for a living is I deal with a lot
of CSS child sexual victims that I hold their hands,
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I look in their parents' eyes. I deal with case
after case after case. And guess who is never the
defendant in those matters, hands or queen. It's the people
in your community that you trust. I'm just saying, it's
people who are left alone with children that you trust.
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And I have a list, but I won't go into it.
But it's you know, for you know, the mother's boyfriend,
of course, things like that. But a lot of times
it is somebody who you would never imagine in a
million years, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
The youth youth pastor, the youth pastor.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Every every three years, I'm Presbyterian, I'm very active in
my church. I am a Christian, and every three years
I have to go through uh Criminal Sexual conduct training
and we have to carry this big, huge, hefty insurance
policy just because of that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So, yes, it's interesting open seas about it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Well, yep, it is open season on women and children.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, it is not only in our society but all
around the world. Right, the vulnerable, right, the weak, vulnerable,
the ones that are left susceptible.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, and I've always been kind of sassy pretty much
my whole life. This job has made me decide, when
I started seeing certain things that are heading in a
certain direction in this country, that I have decided that
I was made for this ship.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Got my vote.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yes, I've been I've been cheering you on from a
background for a while.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I know I've been a little crazy because normally I
keep it light, I keep it on Facebook, and I
have been. I've been wild. No, and it's time I'm
shut up and sit down anytime soon.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So yeah, no, you cannot.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
You cannot be quiet.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Now you cannot.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's time to fight back.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yes, this is evil and if you don't fight evil
with good, if you do not shine a light into
the darkness, yep, we're all lost.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
We're all lost.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
The same qualities that people might say were why they
were friends with me, or you know, I was the
friend in the group they knew that, would you know,
say something? My loud mouth is coming in handy, because
don't you feel like public everything down in front of me,
I'm going to say something. I'm not going to be quiet.
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I see you if I see you be hateful or
prejudiced towards a brown person in front of me, you
better hold on tight, because I'm not going to be
the one that's not going to say anything. I can
trust that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes, I know, I'm exactly the same way. I have
been an activistic human rights activist and gay rights activist,
and women's rights activist and animal rights activist.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
My whole life.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I started going to protest marches when I was ten
years old with my mother to protest the Vietnam War
and the presidency of Richard Nixon. Now I'm sixty six
years old. I've been at this for all long.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
And your mother and your mother showed you.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
See.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
My mother passed away last year as well, unexpectedly. She
was only seventy. And my mother was a tall redhead
and she always worked in outreach, whether it be Red
Cross or just over the years. It's my mom was.
She was a fiery redhead and she was you know.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
She taught me.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
She taught me to use my voice, and she taught
me between right and wrong. She taught me that the
first time I heard certain slurs and I asked her
what they mean, that she would sit me down and
she would have a long talk with me about it.
And you know, you aspire with your mom over certain things,
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and when you grow and then you sit and think
about how much she did form you and your way
of thinking. And so last year I took and this
is one of the things I the reason why I
bring up my mother is because she was one of
Shade's strongest advocates.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
I was going to ask ye yes.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And she did not mess up hardly at all with
his gender, his name. I mean, she had it instantly.
I'm still struggling, the mother, and she was.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Like, it's hard, it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
We all make adjustments all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, her love for Shade and my youngest doesn't take
offense at all that the bond they had was just
kind of respect, you know. And so my mom's love
for Shade transcended, you know, about anything. So when she passed,
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interestingly enough, Shade had been on a two year waiting
list for an apartment because you know, the housing crisis
we have going on. My mom passed and I shit
you not two days later this apartment that Shade really
wanted because it was near us and it was near
his work, and we thought, no way it's going to
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be another year. He got a call an apartment was
open for him, and all my mom's furniture and basically
a lot of her things just got transferred over into
that nice So it was just like I felt like
it was my mom taking care of them. Oh she would,
she'd be on the other side making shit happen.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah, so she made a half her from that side.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
What about other what about other family?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How?
Speaker 7 (26:12):
How where where in Michigan. You're right, but you live rural.
We should probably let people know where you live in
Michigan because, yes, below.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Traverse citym not gonna Bear Lake.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
So rural rud Michigan is where you live pretty much.
Being close to Traverse City, you're probably not quite as bad.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, I'd say, there's like packets, Yeah, there is, you know,
And then there are some people that just don't talk
about it at all because it gets so heated. We
have rules in certain places that I hang out with.
It's just like it can't be a topic, right unless
you know, unless somebody was to say something or whatever,
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then I'm going off a freight train. But other than that,
we just make an agreement to not talk about it.
But I just feel lately that I just can't certain
I can't talk to you right now certain people I
just can't even yes.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, and that's and that's what's happened, and that's part
of the division, because a permission structure has been granted
and insinuated into the population that is carte blosh for
any kind of bigotry, any kind of misogyny, any kind
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of Yeah, I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You don't see it.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
How can you denies it?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well, they're living in bad faith if they do not it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I mean it is just look at what's happening with
all these hateful laws that are being instilled. I mean,
we just found out today that, you know, planned parenthood,
even in states where women can still access a safe
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legal abortion, planned parenthood is being defunded there. They will
do anything and everything at their disposal to try to
take us back one hundred years, to take us back
to a time when women had no right to owning property,
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when women had no bodily autonomy, when women had no
right to vote, when women I mean, that's anybody wants
to see what's happening in this country right now. It
was out months before the last election. It's called twenty
twenty five. It is all about fascism, and it is
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all about.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Something that is so detrimental to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Our society that it is frightening, absolutely frightening to me.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
When I post things about Project twenty twenty five, people
would argue with me. People I know you could post
the actual project.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I guarantee you not one of them that complained about
it ever read it.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
No guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I mean, if you actually read it, it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
It's terrifying, absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Yeah, because some of it's already come true, right already,
it already come true, and they've been playing the long game.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I can tell you this.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
We're not the same women anymore.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh we're not.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And you know what, I fought for women's rights when
I was a teenager, and I'm sixty six years old,
and I'm willing to get right back out there and
fight like hell again, fight like hell my lungs.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Sometimes I feel like saying, you know, to certain women,
don't worry, I'll fight for you. Yeah, you just sit back,
you have your blinders on. You know, you worship your daddy,
dumpy pants, and I'll fight for you. That's how I
feel lately. Yeah, because I just don't get it. I
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just as a strong woman, and I get it that look,
I hope domestic violence victims. I get women who are
trapped or they don't have to say and they don't
have a voice. But when you do, yeah, and you
still sit by and act like this is okay and
it's not going to happen.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You know, I just can't wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Right. Well, like we talked, you know about this weekend,
it is up to white women.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
We have got we've got to step up. We've got
to step up. We've got to be the protectors. Now,
we have to be the voice.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yes, I totally agree, mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's love seeing on TikTok. I love seeing on TikTok.
It's one of my favorite things of seeing every time
there's a protest saying you stay, you have yourself, a
nice cup of hot tea. We got this, Yeah, we
got it time. And I did say and I did
go to our local protest here in Manistee, and I
can tell you there was seven hundred people that showed
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up and.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
It was amazing, and it was so empowering, and it
felt like you're doing you know, me being on the
show tonight makes me feel like I'm doing something.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
You are doing something.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
You are something you do.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I went down to our local Social Security office on
Wednesday with my sister and my niece Nicole, and my nephew.
Her younger brother, Sam was driving through the intersection in
his big ass truck. Looks like a good old boy Okay,
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I mean he does. He's you know, he's the old
Georgia good old boy thing going.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I don't know a more enlightened man than my Sam.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And he looks over at our protest group and he's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
That's my sister, my aunt, and that's.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
My other aunt. And he pulls into the.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Parking lot and walks over and joins us, and somebody
put up a poster in his hand, and there was
And we live in a blood red state, in a
broad red county. And I can't tell you how many
people at the busiest intersection in this entire town, how
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many people hit their warns, wave and out their cars
lapping out the wind.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
It was just like.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Their windows down and shouting messages of support for what
we were doing. Like I'd be there if I didn't
have to work today, I'd be here.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Well, people about to read that.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
People were yelling get a job, and we're like, it's Saturday,
but you.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Can't clip For all the people that showed up front
one hundred day thing in what mane or wherever?
Speaker 6 (33:53):
What about all them that was workday.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
All the protests for COVID, you know, we're you know.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Well, my favorite, my favorite sign, my my favorite expression
for all through that. You know, like you have bodily
autonomy and can decide whether or not to protect the
world from your virus with a mask.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, and that's okay. You can deny that.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And my response to that is you go have a
cup of shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I don't want to hear it. I do not want
to hear it. I am done.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I will fight with my last breath. I will fight
for our right to autonomy, for our right to preserve
our beautiful, wonderful democracy. I will not this, this will
not stand, will not take it.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
And you know what, Yeah, I didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
This had to happen to wake people up.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I honestly truly believe that. I truly believe that, and
I part of the four a m. Club. I woke
up that night clawing and scratching and I couldn't breathe,
and I knew something was wrong. And I looked at
my phone and I saw it and I'm just like,
something is not right. At the same time, I felt
like the lesson is about to be.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Yeah, I was awake and I had that happen. I
mean it was it was you felt it.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You just felt like a whole ship.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, it's the paradigm shift.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah, it was actually felt the paradigm shift.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
And this has been ongoing now since really it began.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
In December of twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
According to the Mayan calendar, when we left the Age
of Pisces and entered the Age of Aquarius. And that,
you know, there's been so much that has happened since
then then literally altered the face of the earth and
the humanity on it. I mean, they're so much has changed,
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but we have to you know.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think it was deb that I was talking to
about this, or maybe Jamila when remember the Olympics and
the strong, wonderful, built like brick shit house women lined
up to do the one hundred meter dash and they
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all lined up along the street line.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
And what do they do?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
What do they do before they take off like a shot,
They take a giant step back, find their balance, find
their equilibrium, put their heads down and go. And that's
where we are now. We are the rise of the
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sake feminine energy. We together will save this world. Nobody's
going to step in and do it for us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Nobody's gonna save us this time. No, nobody's saying them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
We have to learn our own lessons. We have to
learn our own lessons the hard way. Well, this is
the hard way. And until everyone is touched by the evil,
by the permission structure that is allowing the rise of fascism,
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that is allowing neo Nazism a voice, that is allowing
people at the table who have no business there and
don't have the best interest of the people of this
country or the world in their hearts, if they've even
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got them. As I often say, you cannot have a
crisis of conscience, if if you don't get conscience. You know,
we are looking at like this beehive of these busy, busy,
busy little bees.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
That are all.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Just doing what the queen is telling them to do,
or King and with no notion of the destruction that
it is causing.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
No care, no concern.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
The agenda is their own and mindlessly going forward with
that agenda no matter who it hurts, no matter who
it hurts. And we are the ones that have to
put our hands up and say stop stop it, stop
it now. You are outnumbered. This is never going to fly.
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You might feel like you might maybe make a little
bit of progress quote unquote toward your agenda, but it's
not the right agenda.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Everyone has a right to exist. Yes, everyone has a
right to exist and a right to their own body.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I mean, why does it bother someone so much for
someone to want to live their truth? How does it
affect your life? And they for you know, the bathrooms
And I'm going to tell you something. You know, Shade
is a transman is going to be the correct bathroom.
And I stand out there sometimes and count the damn
minutes till my kid comes out and no one has
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hurt him. Yeah, So don't you tell me that you're
afraid when all they want to be able to do
is go into the bathroom that makes them feel comfortable
and go to the bathroom and no one hurt them.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
Yeah, no, one hurt them exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
No secret, there's no agenda of them wanting to do
an entire sex change so they can hurt somebody. I mean,
get real, you sound like an idiot. I mean, on
the way back from Para Con last year, we stopped
at a rest up.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
M M.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Shade confidently walked into the men's room and I stood
in that little lobby area breathing until he came out
and didn't say anything to him. But I am terrified
somebody's going to realize it and hurt him.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
And then I will be on death row.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But anyway, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'll help you bury the body, honey first, because she
lives a lot closer. But I'll do I'll do my part.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Yes, you can call her.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I mean, it's just so silly to me. And when
I see people get spun up under a guise of
of protecting women.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, okay, I ever heard it.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
I don't, I don't. I just need them to leave
me alone. I yeah, we're protected, they leave us.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, that need the protection of something masogynist who thinks
that he's better than every woman that was ever born.
When that motherfucker came out of the womb of a woman.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
Exactly exactly, now, Seanda, what what kind of like I
see in you? You know, of fierceness? But how have
how have things changed? Because you've become very, very vocal?
So what's changed for you? Was it that like four
am waking up feeling you've become a lot more fierce,
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maybe a lot more vocal.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Well, to be honest with you, that first week, I
realized that I was googling an underground railroad to get
my trans kits in safety. And I realized as I
was doing it that that was making me so angry
that I almost wanted to vomit, and that I should
not have to be doing this and I should not
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have this fear. And so I decided that what I
do for a living is not the reason. But I too,
it's time.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
Yeah, it's time.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's time. And I if anybody has a problem with
what I'm saying, there's the door.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Then you shouldn't be in my life. Don't tell me
that you love Shade or care about them, and then
vote for someone who wants to strip him of his rights,
that possibly wants to round him up and take him
to a camp I just also my intuitive abilities were
just kicking an overdrive of this is bad, this is bad,
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this is bad, sick, and just knowing no one's going
to tell me it's going to be okay. No, it's
not okay, it's not okay. And I know it's a.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Better part of a decade now of my life knowing
that nothing is okay about this, nothing is okay about this.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I mean, let's face it, America rehired a convicted felon okay,
I mean, yeah, yeah, a predator because of the price
of eggs and red No, bullshit, that is not the reason.
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It was because just a few too many people in
this country could not bring themselves to vote for a
black woman Carriod couldn't do it, including plenty of black men,
plenty of Hispanic men, and plenty of women.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Lessons to be learned, Lessons.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
To be learned, That's right, because do you think right now,
one hundred plus days in that we would have had
a crashed economy, that we would have had a backsliding
in terms of voters' rights, in terms of women's rights,
in terms of even animal rights. I mean a deliberate
(44:33):
taking backward from an administration that was run by a
woman who was progressive, who left office with her counterpart,
leaving us the strongest economy, the only economy in the
world that bounced back from a global pandemic as fast
(44:56):
as we did, the envy of the world. And since
then we have lost eleven trillion dollars in value in
terms of our exchange of the dollar is no longer
considered strongest currency in the world.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
People don't want to buy our bonds. They don't want to.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
They went round us, They went right around.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Us, making our best neighbor.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
When people line up on one side of the Detroit
River and on the other side with bullhorns yelling you
were so sorry.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It wasn't us. We didn't do it. Please forgive us.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
You know, we had people that are friends of ours
in Canada that wanted to come to the event in
Houghton Lake and they didn't come because they were afraid
to come to the United sl States.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Will not I to blame them, No, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Last week was security. Next week is the VA. My
father went into the VA. He's almost ninety years old.
He went into the VA. He's got some issues with
his eyes and he needed some drops. And he went
up to the counter to talk to the pharmacist to
get his prescription filled. And the pharmacist said, go have
(46:29):
lunch and come back a little later. And then he
came back and he sat for another hour and a half.
He's almost ninety years old. And he sat for another
hour and a half. And he got up and he
walked over to the desk and said, is there a problem,
And the pharmacist, with tears in his eyes, said, yes, Roger,
(46:53):
there's a problem. Last week there were five pharmacists in
this va hospital and now it's just me fire no
cause they did cause of that, which son of a
bitch wants to line his pockets more. And when a
(47:14):
society values its currency more than its citizenry, we've got
a problem. So ladies, you know I mean you were there, spend.
Nothing got held back, nothing.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
Got held back.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
It was not only about healing and about coming together.
It was about empowerment, each of us holding the hands
of the other.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yea saying this will not stand.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
We need more of that, We need more.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Absolutely, Then he.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Come get me, honey, bring the doggie down for a.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
With you.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
Yes, even supporting each other on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I have a whole group of friends that nobody really
argues with me much on Facebook. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Afraid of you they should be.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I just delete their comments because they want to argue
and they don't make any sense half the time.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Lenny, Lenny is the cat, you know in the Cat
and Mouse.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Lenny takes care of all my Facebook everything, especially with
my diagnosis.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And I'm like, I got you.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Know, yeah, you don't need it, you don't need care
of you.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And so I'll put a post out and you know,
I put out a meme, a powerful post, pictures in
the whole nine yards, and then I'll just let her know, Lenny,
just keep an eye out, Just keep an eye out,
because you know, scumbags trolls their comments.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
They serve your space.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
So but she.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Tortures them first before she actually deletes them and blocks them.
She met in the mouse, you know where, like the
mouse is dying and it doesn't even know why it's
dying because it doesn't even have a puncture wound in it,
because she has just tortured it for half an hour.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
And then look at her acting like she's all sweeter.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
I don't know what she's talking about.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
She takes she takes pleasure.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
One would say that about me. They would not be shocked,
but I would tear someone a new ahole.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Zero, zero tolerance for ignorance. Zero will not put up
with it. Not. I mean when we had the big
national march, the first big one on April fifth, my
whole entire family went, We passed cars, I had friends
that came in from other states so that we could
(50:05):
all go together. And that was just the first and
the next and the next and the next. And he
can pretend that he's not noticing that milk of people
are flooding the rural towns of this country, the cities
of this country, the streets of this country, saying this.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Will not stand.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
And what are we saying, Lenny, We are here.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
I love that here. We're here.
Speaker 6 (50:38):
We're not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
No, we're not.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Going see okay, mean Bill said, we only have five
minutes left a.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Minute ago, and you're having fun line. I know, no,
I know it.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
But this has been wonderful and we want you to
come back next week so that we can talk more
about this. Because I think Bill's got like how many
or ten boxes that we can fit on the screen
we'll just send links to everybody.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Puppy, Okay, he says.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
We have ten so we can be at the end
of a time, okay, and we'll and so that everybody
can come on and talk about this incredible event. And
then let's also mention that I will be back in Michigan,
if not before, I will be back for UFO contact.
Speaker 6 (51:31):
Last week of September.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Last weekend of September, and I'll probably stay a couple
of extra days so that we have time.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
To make our plans. You know, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Bring your hats, Ladies, bring your hats, because.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Sometimes you just gotta put the hat on and let
them know who they're messing.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
They are going to.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Lose the battle, they are going to lose the war.
They are going to and you know, and to me,
this is you are so sweet. She's so beautiful, isn't she.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
We have we're on a mission. We're a mission.
Speaker 7 (52:19):
And if you're on a mission, Shanda, do you do
you feel like you do you feel?
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Because that's what.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
That's a feeling that I have had since the election
is I've been just absolutely spurred to protect you know, everybody.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yes, I feel like I can't stay quiet. Yes, and
I feel like I'm down for whatever. Yes, I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
That's what we need.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, yeah, and we will if we will, and we
will support each other and love each other and lift
each other up.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
And inspire each other. And that will not stop.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It will only grow exponentially because purpose and reason we
were born to be at this time in the course
of human evolution, and Shade is an integral part of
that evolution. And you tell him, I said, so, okay, Yeah,
(53:21):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
And Shade wanted to go to Paraquan for his twenty
first birthday. He loved to listen to you speak, Andrea. Yeah,
he loved to listen to Andrea speak. And my kids
would only get up early if like John Tunny was
speaking or something that, you know, they would sleep in.
(53:48):
They're like, ah, but that was what they paid attention to,
was of Andrew. When is Andrea speaking and Andrea and
John Tenny, that's all.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
They well, you know, when deb first founded UFL Contact,
she built it around the two of us, and and
for years it's you know, it's it's been that way.
We had a couple last year. I couldn't go because
I had just been diagnosed, and you know it was
but I came through online. I was there in spirit,
(54:19):
I was on a screen, I was there in computers.
I was there, you know. And uh, and we will
do it again, and we will do it again, and
we will do it again, and we will have more
events where we get together to empower each other to heal,
you know, Bill, wrap it up?
Speaker 5 (54:41):
Yeah really?
Speaker 4 (54:42):
Okay, Well I said a little while about go have them.
Speaker 7 (54:46):
Yeah, so everybody watch Facebook, watch the space. I'll put
everything out there.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah okay, and put it on Buttercup and put it
on my page ten and keep to with the mice.
Speaker 4 (55:01):
Okay, I keep trying with the mice.
Speaker 6 (55:02):
Okay, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
I love you girls. You have a wonderful night.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
Everybody joined us.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Be inspired, Be the beacon of hope on the hill,
Be the change you wish to see in the world,
and be the light you seek.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
God, damn it, be the light you seek. All right,
And we are here, and we are here.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
Good night, every night.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
Good night,
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