March 7, 2025 • 53 mins
Justin and Christopher are both fascinated by history and have made some recent discoveries which have shed new light on the farmhouse, my childhood home.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Ash.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Good evening, everyone, and thank you so much for joining
us on a world awakening. It's wonderful to see you all.
Even though I can't see any of you. All I
can see is the dog walking through the room from
time to time, one of them anyway. The other ones
sound asleep, So anyway, welcome to a world awakening tonight.
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I have two lovely young men who I had the
opportunity to meet at my event in Burrowville that I did,
the Ocean State Para Con, and we made our introduction
there a couple of years ago. And Justin and his son,
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Christopher Hurley are folks that have not only a fascination
but a real love of my childhood home, and so
there was a great deal for us to discuss. For
those who are tuning in because they think they're going
to get some stuff on the ongoing controversy at the farm,
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forget about it. You can just go to another YouTube
channel at this point, because that's not what this show
is about tonight. What this show is about is delving
into the history of that home, that place that holds
a special the core of my heart, the only place
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that has ever felt like home to me in my life,
my permanent place on earth, and they love it the
way I do. And so Christopher, who is a student
of history and really a paranormal investigator, along with his dad,
are going to join us tonight. We had a little
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bit of an issue with tech issues, but we're doing
much better now. That's great. How are you, gentlemen? Very good.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'm just concerned that this isn't working very well. Can
you hear us?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And yes, yes, you look much better than.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Out and everything.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So I was like, yeah, yeah, I know, it's a
little on. It's you know, tech, it's our best friend
until it's our worst enemy. It's just how it is.
And let's face it, Rhode Island is not known for
having the very best technology when it comes to Wi
Fi or anything else like that. So so anyway, Christopher,
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you and I had a conversation a month or two
ago about your discovery of an old cemetery that I
was unaware existed. So it was very important to me
because I care about the spirits at the farm. I
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care about you know, the Richardson family built the farm
and then through marriage it became the Arnold property. And
you've done a great deal of research on both and
so I wanted to give you an opportunity, as a
budding historian and a budding paranormal investigator who feels a
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very strong attachment to that house, to talk about your experiences.
So the floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So yeah, a few months ago, like more than a
few months ago, I was sitting a bed and a
few times before I tried to find the Richardson Cemetery. Yea,
for hours and hours. I tried my hardest, but you
can I never could could quite found it because there's
one quite there's one issue. A lot of the like
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the original owners, so there's like Isaac and Jonathan. They're
not listed to be buried anywhere on any website that
I've found. Even my best Betty at the for a
Historical Society, because she knows surrounding. I know it's an Uxbridge,
but it's very close by.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, I asked her all.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
About it, and she says that there's one that she
think it could be, and that's the Richardson Cemetery of
in Uxbridge, the Josephson.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Which used to be part of that property and used
to be part of Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, back a long long time ago. Because the
house originally had a lot of land, like a thousand acres,
so it was a part of their property originally, which
does make sense if you really think about other the
original owners. And then we went there because you can
find a little bit of it on some websites like
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find a Grave, and I saw that there was definitely
Richardson's there, and I was able to find from family
trees that you could track it all the way back
to the first owners and then through marriage down the
line into the Arnolds and up to the Arnold's and
marriage and stuff. So so we heard the story about
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Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I've always heard about that. That was always my favorite story.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And at the house, they believe the spirit the name
was Henry Richardson personally.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And that could be too because a lot of times
Henry the senior might have had a Henry junior, but
it was traditional when you had two with the same
name in the family to use the middle name and
the identifying name for a child, even though he might
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have been Henry junior. So you know, that's certainly plausible.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But I always heard about that, and I was like,
you know, but really, Henry Richardson, that diet as a kid,
he's gonna be there.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
There's nowhere else in the world he would be.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So I look, I find a grave there he was
Henry Richardson, the spirit of the little boy, right there.
And like you said one of the times I met you,
if there's anyone to find it, it would be me.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And then a few months later I did.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, you are, you are tenacious, Christopher. I will give
you credit. I mean you're willing to put in the
time and the effort, and you know it is a
very tedious thing to go through town records and you know,
historical documents, and you do that with you seem to
relish it. It seems to bring you a great deal
of pleasure.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Because it's always that finding something new. That's always like that,
right there is what I'm doing it for. Like I
do my own family research. Whenever I cross over a
roadblock or I get something further, it always gets me
really excited to do more.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
And with their Richardson cemetery.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The night that I found it, like the day that
I found it confirmed it was that we went the
next day because we weren't gonna waste any that we
wanted to see how it is. So we went and
everything is there all like, there's Richardson's and there's back
a long long time ago. Before they wanted to put
names and stones, they just had little stones and they
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just put them in the ground or they put like initials.
There's a lot of those there. I know for a
fact the original owners are there. I ask people at
the Historical Society. I can't confirm which stone is theirs,
but there are a thousand percent there, yes.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
And so Henry was the exciting thing, the emotional part
of this for for him.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
We for a year, we would go.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
To the library, we would go he was searching on
his phone. So when he eventually texted me at work,
it was like, I think I found Henry. I was like,
it was an exciting day for us because it was
like he had looked looked for a year for this.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know. First of all, we searched for Oliver the
whole summer before. The people at the library helped us.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And then he started doing his own research and it
was a culmination of hard work and it led to
we know he has other stories, but we just wanted
to make make that clear because he has.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
A lot, a lot.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
A lot of information to squeezing, but it was because
of Henry. It was like you know, in the in
the movie it's Rory, in real life, it's Henry. And
to make that connection and in real life and see
Henry stone on the ground was like And yet.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
My sister April had a relationship with that child that
she was very protective of. And she said he told
her his name was Oliver Richardson. And you know, so
it doesn't matter whether I mean she basically got it
from the source. That was how he was referred to
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in the family. And she said that he appeared to
be maybe five or six years old when he passed away.
So undoubtedly, you know, either it was some kind of
illness or I mean, you were lucky. You know, you
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through your own research that it was considered bad luck
to even name your baby until he reached the age
of one. That was, it was considered bad luck to
attribute a name to the child because infant mortality rates
were through the roof a common old could kill a baby.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I think on the stone instead of eleven months, right.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, he died at eleven months in twenty nine days, which.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Very calm back then to.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Like because if you were a baby. We didn't have
what we had.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We'd have who had now when you were a baby,
where if I was sick and I was a baby,
they could treat that right there in the hospital right
after you were born. But back then, if you got sick,
they had nothing to do for it. They had their
little things where you do this or this. Also the
time it wouldn't work, and even if it did, it
was only temporary, so you were lucky if you made
it past the agent like three back then.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And I think it was the reason that a lot
of families had like fifteen kids.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So all his research, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Some of the cemeteries were like the family had like
fifteen kids, and it's I think it was like a
for that reason, like I saw the opportunity that some
might not make it.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They were's just have some kids. I think, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
That's how it was.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Then. My great grandmother she has there was.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No birth control, none available, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So yeah too, there's no way to like if you
didn't want to pregnancy or not, you were having it.
There's no there's nowhere around it. It's like my great
grandmother she has fifteen other siblings. They that was just
all back then, they had a ton of kids, because
if one or two of them made it past fifteen,
that was amazing, and that's what you were aiming for,
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because the chances of that were very, very low.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But yeah, I can even imagine living back then and
going through all of what is entailed in becoming a
mother and then knowing, just by the law of averages
that these precious little babies that you loved so much
and gave life to and brought into the world were
probably not going to make it. I can't even imagine
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that level of heartbreak and loss and grief that so
many women lived through throughout their entire child bearing years,
and so many women died young because their bodies broke down.
You know, they just had so many children that they
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were lucky if they lived past forty years old. Life
expectancy for a woman in the seventeen hundreds was forty two,
very very low. Yeap.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
So after Richardson Law, I'm going to continue with that.
I've so the way that richardson'sok. The house the property
was built originally by Noah Arnold and his son no
Arnold Jr. Because the property was owned by the Richardsons
for like a half, like fifty years or something.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It was a long long time.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And then this girl, Anne Richardson married John Arnold Jr.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
And then.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Back then women couldn't own properties, so it would either
go to your son or your son in law. So
I went to her son, and so I went to
their son in law, which was no Arnold Jr. And
him and his father built at least I know it
is part of house because it was built in three sections, right, so, and.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
There were barns that went all the way. They're gone now,
mister Kenyon demolished what was left of them. But even
in the oldest photograph that we have of the farmhouse
you can see that there are other outbuildings. And then
when the big barn that's there now was built, they
connected they connected it so that you never had to
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go outside to tend for your animals.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, it was we went from no Arnold Jr.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Down to his son, who is John Arnold. Which a
lot of people that know the story or we've seen videos,
they know about John Arnold and his wife Abigail. They're
the ones who have It was fifteen or fourteen kids
somewhere around there and that's one of my big discoveries
is finding the cemetery that they were buried at.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And I found it a long long time ago.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's just the way to get to it was the
struggle because first of all, we didn't really know how
to get to it, because the pictures were an awful quality.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
There was green, there was vines. It was in the
middle of the woods somewhere.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And there's only two videos ever that I could find
of it. One of them is in a documentary and
it's very very short and it's not a good video.
And the other one is from a YouTube channel that
I got to lead like a few times. It's very
very old, and they don't show how to get there.
They just show the road and then they show at it.
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So me and my dad had to go through the woods,
over a brook, over actually go over two brooks, and
then up like a hill to go get to and
it's that. That's my favorite thing I've ever done relating
to all this. Everyone's there.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He had he had bucket list places.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, my bucket list places, that was number one.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
So once again he's he's very matter of fact about this.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This was a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
So his bucket list places when he was He's been
doing this since he was eleven. He's fourteen now. I
want to find the arm a lot someday. He used
to talk about this in our car rides. We would
if we didn't have a tour, we would drive around Berval,
we'd go around the back roads.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We would go to Library. We know that town better
than our hometown. We're in Putnam right now.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
When he found that, that was like, we stopped a
couple of times.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It was like, I don't know, Christopher.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
We got to there's a brook and then we got
to get back and it's it's really hairy. I mean
it is thick. There's trees down and this cemetery is
up on like a hill. And he was like he
had like a beacon and I just followed him. He
was like, yeah, we're almost there, and he's like he
starts taking off and then so there's there's another part
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of this. That's that's what you want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
There your on the site, so you do that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Have you been to the Arnold Cemetery that's at the
corner of Brook Road and uh and Sherman Farm Road
that's deep in Is that the one we're.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Going to wrap it and Susan and John and everyone.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That was the holy grail for him to find and
just because.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, you've got to go on private property to do it.
But I know, and so every time she sees me,
she's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We got permission from them.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Where well, so we went to the house and the guy,
it's the guy's got seventeen acres of the land and
he said, yeah, but there's another road you can take
that goes right there. So technically we had to go around.
And I always teach to him intentions and it's like
we're kind of trespassing around the back, but the intentions is,
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the attentions are in his heart where he just wanted
to find this place.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, the respect to the people who lived at the farm.
He just wanted to find them, and like he finally
found them.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And it was just like and we did get the
main piece of the puzzle. We did get his permission.
He owns the cemetery, so we were allowed to go there.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So so and do you want to wait on his
other discovery.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
So it's that was the biggest fine for me. I
went there. It's over a brook and on the top
of a hill and everything, and everyone's there, all the
Arnold's that you see in the videos and you hear
in the stories they say in the house and everything.
Every single person's there. And that was the biggest thing
for me because I've that was since the first time
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I ever went there and I heard about John Arnold
and Abigail Arnold. Those were the Those were the two
that I was like, well were they buried? And I
finally found it and one there and like is it
was the best fan I've ever done. Every single Arnold
you can think of is there. There's not a single
one that's looked out that is part of the main story.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well except did you go up across up round Top Road?
And the first cemetery on the right, which is the
Chase Cemetery which is where mister and Missus Kenyon are buried,
also has Eber Arnold and Prudence Arnold and yes, so
they're they're that family. That was also a family cemetery,
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but it was also a community and it was it
was part of Rhode Island at that time.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
That was the first place that we've We've been there
a long time ago. That was one of the first
because it's so close to the house.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It's public, and so it's very easy to.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
The other there's the other cool do you want to
tell about finding prudence Is home? Yeah, so this so
it's a set. Obviously, you know Andrew, you know the
the thing about Prudence. So they tell these stories at
the house. So we always thought to find these places,
and when they're told as stories, they're kind of like
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you're not really you can't really connect with them that
they're real. So with Prudence, with the story, it's not
a story like he found articles and so we know
that what really happened there. Obviously it's violent. So this
is another thing he dug down and found. How you
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want to tell them how you found the home? He
didn't just find the house. He found there's the reason
how he found it through his researching. And then now
we have we have video and pictures of the house.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And so that Prudence Arnold her parents died when she
was very very young, so she was adopted by a
family member, which was I think it's Ann and Sarah Richardson.
Those were and also those were her and Henry's parents,
by the way, So how I figured out the house
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where she died and was I had to find Ann's
father's will or he left his house because his house is.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
A historical landmark.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I think it's the it's the Joseph Richardson House in Oxbridge, Yes,
and I had to find his will, and his will
left it to an und so I knew she was
living there at the time. And I heard the story
that it was like a and I heard the story
when they said a road, I knew it was around there.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So I had a few clues.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
All I had to do was for the address, so
I went to the historical landmark. It has its own
patron Wikipedia, so it gave me the answer.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
And there it is.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
It's an Uxbridge like tent, like five to ten minute
drive from the house, and it's very very close to
the Richardson Cemetery where Henry is buried, because that's most
likely where Henry was living.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
In a sure life, he was living there.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So there's that house, and that was That was a
big thing for me because I've been trying to find
that for like two years.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I wish we could go inside, but you know, it's
privately owned by people, so it's not like it's a
tour or anything.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, to see it in person.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, to see it in a person was razing.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
You know, we've been through a million tours, and you know,
we I think we've kind of graduated from guests to like,
you know, I don't know, some other thing, but we
we had so we started talking, Okay, we have this theory. Now, Okay,
well if that's where Henry lived, because that's where his
parents house is, and we drove by it and we're
like looking at it, and we started come up with
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theories of well, why would Henry's spirit be at the
Conduring Hounseer, you know, at the Arnold Arnold lot. Yeah,
if that's where Henry grew up, where Prudence was, it is.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It's like, so Prudence, I mean, I get it does
make sense for her to be there sometimes because yes.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That's her home.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
First, yes, so her it would be step great grandmother
was Abigail Arnold, and also so that the family tree
has some mixed branches in there, but also technically her
like I think it was her uncle or her great
uncle was John Arnold junior. So it was very much
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related to people at the house. So she went there
a few times she was related to tons of people
there in multiple ways, so she would have way, way
more than just one way to get access to the
house from family.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
By the way, he has all this on his phone
for professionally like March Badness bracketed with this kid is
organized like this isn't just he's not just like this
is well Bill, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Know if Bill's got it loaded, but I did send
him a couple of photographs to put up of what
he sent me. Let me see if I could get
him uh to do that. Okay, so keep going and
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if he's.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
We always we have lots of conversations. I always tell
him we should have a podcast. And when I would
just if I would just hit my phone and recorded
while we're talking on our walks and stuff he has
he always has like such awesome stuff to say. So
we started thinking, well, would Henry's spirit be at the
Connoring house?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, and and we don't know that.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Part of three from our upbringing as kids, and you
might have this too. You might have some of your
best memories of your life at a certain location when
you're a kid that you'll never forget, maybe from maybe
from a holiday or a certain a certain Sunday ritual
or something you do with your parents where if you
smell coffee, like for me, if I smell brew coffee,
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I immediately am in my Grandma June's house. And we
were thinking maybe Henry, even though he was so little
when he died, maybe his.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Memory or.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
His spirit is attached, maybe from being at that house.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't know. I tend to think that it's a
separate child because my sister April said that the little
boy that she met in spirit over and over again
was somewhere between five and six years old. Yeah, age
as she was when Wayne moved into the farm.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
We'll stick him on it, and I'll bet you he'll
find out who it is.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
That's what I was saying when I found when they
were saying Henry, I was like, yeah, but Henry died
at eleven months, so it wouldn't make I mean, I
really want it to be him, but something's telling me
it's not him.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Because him.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I don't think so either. I think you're right about that.
I think that there was a child that lived and
died in that house at the age of five or
six years old, that was afraid of something, very afraid
of something. Whenever he would come out of the little
door in the upstairs closet.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Looks like Arnold, I would think.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
No, he said his name was Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, but I mean, if it's an Ali Richardson. I
actually did this a while back. I narrowed it down
because of the time period that you say. I've listened
to all the interviews and I've did all my research
the time period that you think, and he's a Richardson
and he had to have been living in the house.
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I would think that he'd have.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
To be a.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Brother or a or a first cousin of Anne Richardson,
who was the wife of John Arnold Jr. So you
know what records are back then. You don't really know.
You can't really get all the records from back then.
So brother named Oliver Richardson that I would have lived
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at the house or maybe went there a lot, And
I don't I have no way of like checking that
because I've looked and she doesn't have any brother named
Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
But she very well could have.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I just don't know where.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
So transition to his most recent achievement, which is I'm
so damn proud of why don't you tell her what
getting So when we talk with Arnold Lot, there were
no pictures.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Online for the I think we sent you pictures of
this right the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yeah, I think Bell's got them loaded. Bell, can
you put those up? Oh that's awsome when we met, that's.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
The day we met.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, there was a hot day.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It was a hot day. I thought I was going
to die. I don't have that much hair anymore. Oh God,
all right, this is like the Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So this is the Rhode Island Historical Cemetery's website, like
the Wall of Rhode Island where the Arnold Lot is.
And there was no photos on there because they can't
go on like find a grave in other websites and
take those photos because of copyright issues. So I messaged
the people over there and was like, hey, I have
these photos. I would love for you to put them
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on there. And I went back and forth with this
one girl, and eventually she was like we should have
them up there eventually, which I was really excited about.
And then a few months later there they are. Oh
I'm very excited.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
So I'm not much of a believer in crazy things,
but you remember our our conversation when I said about
activity and how for a couple of years he never
got any and I still don't know, but from seeing
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him in person, the way he hunts these places down.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Seeing now that they have their stones are visual.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
To the public, it's it's kind of like, I know
it sounds crazy, but like I always say, I think
his not activity, his experience was they gave this to
him to find for them or something. It's like it's
hard to explain, but when you see how like just
in personal passion and when he gets close to where
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these places are, he's like.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Like a like a hunting dog. He's just like he
takes off and I just follow him.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He's like, I found it there you go.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
It's just so like cool that you know, it's he
doesn't have any social media sites for any of this stuff.
I just go along for the ride and he just
he just thinks it's so amazing to just get these
pictures up so that maybe somebody from the family looks
them up one day and now they have pictures of
their stones of the Arnolds you know who were from.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know, from when he was eleven.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
It was because of the cool conjuring house from the
movie and stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, that's what got me like into it in the
first place, is because it's the Conjuring House is the
Conjuring It's like the biggest horror movie of all time,
and the story of it is crazy. And when I
first heard about it, I was with my mom, I remember,
and she read your books like like twenty, like like
ten years to like ten fifteen years before then, and
(30:54):
she was telling me, She's like, yeah, I heard about
the story a little.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I've read one of the books.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Like, well, where is the house.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I was with my dad and I was we're gooling
it and it was down the street from from where.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
We live, so I was like, well, why don't we
go check it out.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
And at the time, it was in the process of
being sold, so it wasn't really open to the public,
so we can only see it from afar.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
But eventually it opened for tours and then and then
there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
That's where it all started.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now, do you feel, Christopher, that you have some kind
of spiritual or psychic connection with one or more of
the spirits that draws you into this or that you
are operating on this plane of action so that you
can identify the spirits, you feel like personally invested, emotionally invested,
(31:53):
and bringing their story to light, their history to light.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Well, well, me and my dad think is that the
spirits want to be found. So that's why he thinks
of my experience, like, my experience is them giving me
that want and that desire to confine them. And that's why,
like randomly I'll just get the urge. You'd be like,
all right, we're finding the Richard's a lot right now,
and then there I go and find it. So we
(32:20):
think that maybe I have a spiritual connection with like overall,
or just maybe a few certain ones that really really
want to be found and publicize. Because if you think
about the big YouTube channels that go there and post
their videos, they're not going to the cemeteries.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
They're not talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, they're trying to find evidence from the house to
put out and that's their primary motivation. I don't think
they're particularly interested in the actual history of the house
in terms of the who the spirits were, you know,
and I've often said that myself too, you know, having
(33:03):
lived there for ten years of my life, it didn't
matter as much to me who they were that they
still are is what I find most fascinating, that their
presence is still there, attached to that farmhouse. And I
(33:28):
didn't feel a compulsion to to want to call them
by name, you know. For instance, I think I told
you justin when we were talking the story about Cody
Institori and the method that they use in a spirit
came through at the house named Joseph, and everybody was
(33:50):
looking at each other and said, did Andrea write about
a Joseph in the books? And no, I hadn't because
I didn't know that name, and my mother had not
come up with that name in her research when we
lived there. And so apparently this spirit could sense the
(34:10):
confusion in the room and came through and sent through
one short sentence, Nancy called me Manny. Well, we thought
for years and years, based on my mom's research, that
that spirit that was there the day we moved in,
that man standing in the corner staring at mister Arnold,
(34:34):
mister Kenyon, was Johnny Arnold. And Nancy, my sister, Nancy,
of course, didn't know who his name was, and so
she saw this man and she called him Manny for
lack of a better, you know, to give him some
identifying characteristic and for him sixty years later, fifty years
(34:56):
later to come through Cody and Sattori and saying, Nancy
called me, Manny, clarified everything. And we've been out of
the house, you know for decades and decades.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
At the Richardson lot, there's lots of Joseph's and a
lot of them we couldn't read, uh, you know, just
because they're so old you can't read like the specific writing.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, even the etchings are almost impossible.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, but we saw at least at least half a
dozen Joseph's there, so it's possible.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, the Joseph thing you also talked about I forgot where,
but talked about some Isaac they.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I don't know if that was you, but.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
One of of the people that went there said that
they like they keep getting one name, Isaac and Joseph,
like you said Joseph. The reason that I think because
I've thought about why would he be staring at specifically
mister Kanyan right now, who he's staring at A who's
coming into my house. I would think he'd be more
interested in Roger or Carolyn or you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, No, there was nothing, and yet he looked absolutely
solid to me. I mean, as I walked past him,
I said good morning, sir, and my sister Nancy saw
him evaporate into thin air. But he was he had
now think about this though. The Kenyans lived there for
more than fifty years, and so his attachment, if there
(36:21):
was one at all, would have been to the Kenyons.
And I mean he looked right through me. It was
almost like he didn't even see me. He was fixated
on what mister Kenyon was doing, which was leaving the house.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Yes, Andrew, we've done so much research. We were looking
through this giant thing at the library and I always
said to them, we have to ask Andrewa this. So
what it seems that your dad in the seventies tried
to get some land purchased for campgrounds, like one hundred
(36:57):
and thirty plots.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's h We never heard about that. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We were so curious, what was what was that for it?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
You know, Well, my father figured if we had that
much property that we should You know, the farm is
extremely expensive. It's a money pit. I mean, you know,
it just is. And he thought that the land should
pay for itself. And what he wanted to do was
(37:25):
built a beautiful, uh, without disturbing the nature, put in
campgrounds so that people could go and enjoy some of
the original you know, practically Virgin Forest of New England
for a few months out of the year. And it
(37:47):
would have been a way, you know, to bring extra
income into the family. And it was a bright idea,
but the town council turned him down flat. They just
given a business operate a business there. Yeah. No, actually,
in a way, I think it's okay. He ended up,
(38:10):
you know, opening another business that was very lucrative and
he did very well with it, and he had his
jewelry business and you know, so I I don't know,
I believe that the universe, you know, we make the
best made plans, you know, and the universe laughs in
our face and says, no, no, no, you're not going
(38:32):
to do it that way.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Well he's proof of that because he hasn't hasn't been
able to go to the house since November and he
discovered the most important things since he's been there since
eleven after that. So, so thank you, thank you for
doing that. You know, we we said, well what we
there's other things we can do. We've already built that's
not it.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The house is not just there's so much Morges that
and we've.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Already built we've already built a hobby out of going
to Berville and doing research. So he's he found Henry
and then the Arnold a lot and it was like.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Just that fall was.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Just it was just so exciting, crazy, and.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
He's very protective of Henry's spot. We've only brought one
other person, our friend Tara, and he he's seen what
the world has become with with uh.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
People wrecking things and you know.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Just so so what I think is the cemetery it's
not too hard to find. I think we're not going
to tell anyone about it because it's Henry richards and Stone,
and they talked about you've got.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
To protect it. Now that you know where it is,
you have the only way that you can is with
your silence.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
We've only we haven't told anyone else where it is.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
We've only showed one person, and I think that's the way.
That's more than enough because that cemetery alone, I think
it was a few years back, had a vandalism problem
and it was like most of the stones were completely destroyed,
like hen Richardson Stone is in three pieces, and most
(40:09):
of the stones there are in multiple pieces. It's just awful.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So in this spring, hopefully.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
When we met Betty at the Historical Society, another huge
thing that would be very exciting for him. She told
him that she would exchange information and then when she's
able to go back to the ono ad lot to
have fixed it up because there are some stones that
need to be prepared, Christopher might get a chance to
be a part of that, which is another like like
(40:38):
exciting thing for him that.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, I really hope I can. Because they cleaned it
up along time, like a few months before we went,
and you could very much tell because every photo and
every story I've seen was it was ingrown and it
was like ten foot tall vines. When we went, it
was it was perfect. It was like it was it
was perfectly fine, like it was never never touched by anything.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
They had just trimmed it and cut everything down in
like October, So by the time we got there, it
was like, wow, it doesn't look like it does in
the video and you can actually see the gate.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Around it and everything.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Yeah, really cool and really to be there and see
like Abigailstone, and you know from our beginning of going
hearing stories about Abigail and the pheasant and pear Pie
and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It was like to be there. It's kind of not eerie.
It was more like a I don't know, it's just uh,
what's the word.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
It was very surreal.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, I also find it are inspirational. You know. I've
been to that cemetery a number of times I can't
even tell you how many over the course of my life,
and I find it a very peaceful, very tranquil place.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yes, I find it from when she used to hike the.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yes, and my father used to go there. I don't
I don't know why. My father had kind of a
special attachment with Abigail Arnold and he would go there
and just kind of commune with them, you know, that family,
(42:27):
and if he was upset or if he just had
a something, it was like something knocked at the back
of his consciousness and said, go to the go to
the cemetery. Yeah. And he always had a very special
care and concern for Abigail Arnold. And I always thought
(42:51):
and after I saw the only photograph that I ever
saw of her on ancestry dot Com, I recognized her
as one of the spirits in the house, and she
was the one that was so kind, so gentle, so loving,
so benevolent. I think she was probably the one that
(43:16):
used to cross through the bedrooms at night and lean
over and almost kiss our foreheads, but never, you know,
never quite made contact. But the few times that I
remember that sensation. Very often in the house, when there's
(43:37):
a spirit that's manifesting near you, the temperature will drop suddenly,
but that was not the case with her. It was
almost like a warmth that came with her that I
can't explain, and nobody in this field can explain. When
(43:57):
something like that happens. You think you've got it figured out.
You think you know well. Spirits can communicate and use electricity,
and spirits can communicate and maybe travel through water. I mean,
there's so many theories about how they come and go,
(44:19):
or if they're always there but only occasionally make their
presence known. How much energy does it require for them
to manifest in form et cetera. None of us are
going to have those questions answered, and you just have
to get to a point where it doesn't matter whether
(44:40):
or not those questions get answered. That that's part of
the mystery and the history of the farmhouse.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I don't need answers to everything.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, no, And that's why I always said it didn't
matter to me so much of who they were that
they still are is the most fascinating, most miraculous, most mystical,
most intriguing element of the farm. And you are absolutely right, Christopher.
(45:11):
It's not just the farm, it's all the area around
that farm that has is known for having supernatural activity.
That was their property, that was their house.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
He has a autographed Andrew Perenchonjuring poster here.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I do see that. I recognize that amber signing that
for him.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
And in this his sweatsure he's most proud of, has
your autograph on it too.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, that's the thing. I don't I keep that locked
away because I don't if I get it like, if
I get it too dirty or something like. I don't
want to risk anything because the signature is it's I
don't want it to fade away. I can't.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It's very special text.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yours the other one he got Arnie Johnson and Tony
Sperra's photograph at the Para Con.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
This is his.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, it's all warned.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
It's a very bad quality because it's it was that
was years ago, but.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
His first para con Annabelle and I just want to
do this because I'm a proud parent.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
He just one student of the month, so.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Oh yeah, color me surprised. He's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, spake surprise to everybody.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
But I'm just proud of Them's the congratulations.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Congratulations, honey. I'm sure it is well earned. I'm sure
you are as as proficient and mindful of student in
all your studies as you are in your pursuit of history,
the history of the farmhouse and the area you live in, Putnam, Connecticut. Yes,
(46:52):
so you're right over the border. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Yes, it's like it's eighteen minutes from your farmhouse there, and.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Sometimes we'll go up and just drive by and just
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Just check out a pretty ride too. It's a very
pretty ride through the backwoods of Rhode Island. You would
think that, you know, one of the original colonies that
was settled so many Madison. Clarine says, keep it up, kiddo,
you're inspiring. See. I knew that was going to happen.
I knew this was going to light people's fire. It is. Yes,
(47:30):
I agree, Terry. Big things are coming for this young man,
I agree, and that you know, it's why I invited
both of them on the show tonight too, because you know,
there are a lot of people that are functioning in
this field that are, for lack of a better world,
becoming word becoming elderly, myself included, and at some point
(47:56):
we have to pass the torch, and I couldn't pass
my torch into better hands now. And in the same
way that I years ago began that process with Cody
and Story, you know, I knew them since I knew
them since they were your age, and so that's so nice.
(48:17):
Look at all the people that are watching, and I'm
impressed with you. It was great.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
We went for his birthday. It was one of our
last times there, and there was a staff member that
from Afar was like just listening to him talking. She
had said to other staff members, it's like he's an
Arnold reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, I believe, said, you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Know, I have. I don't know if I've discussed it
with you or not, but from the moment that I
met Christopher, I had a sense of him having an
attachment to the farm. That might even be that that
(49:01):
might even be that you know, we don't know if
reincarnation is a real, actual thing. But I had an
experience at the farmhouse where I saw a spirit who
I was seventeen years old when it happened, and she
looked other than the hair. She had a huge head
(49:22):
full of gray hair up on the top of her head,
but she was the mirror image reflection of how I
look now, only with lots and lots and lots of
gray hair, but identical to me. And I saw her face.
Everybody else in my family saw a side profile of
(49:42):
her when she manifested, and she smiled at me like
this kind of I know something you don't know smile,
and then she just kind of dissipated into thin air.
And I was the only one that saw her face.
And I didn't tell my mother what I saw until
(50:04):
the day that we moved out of the farm and
she said, I always knew we bought that house for you.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
M yeah, I heard that story. You're at the fireplace
after around the fireplace, yep, and you're you said you
were really really cold and you went to a fireplace,
and then it must have made a different kind of
cold because you were right there. You're still cold. You
looked up and then there was there was you, and
(50:32):
there was me, and.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was shocking, and it was very disquieting for me
because I was still so young. I had not really
processed whether or not reincarnation was a thing, you know,
or just or you know, a myth. But okay, we
have two minutes left. We're gonna have to wrap it up.
(50:54):
But anyway, yeah, I have I feel that same connection
with the farmhouse that you feel. And so something intuitively
tells me that we share a special kind of connection
and detachment to that farm that seems to be a
(51:19):
well spring of information that comes forward about the people
that lived and died on that property, that built that
prop built that house. But my sister, okay, my producer
is saying they both need to come back with any
new developments and or information regarding the farmhouse. He's very excited,
(51:43):
and so we will do that. We'll just pick up,
you know, as as things progress. We'll pick up where
we left off tonight.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
But I want to thank that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
And I want to thank both of you for joining
us tonight. It's been my pleasure. Can go to Andrea,
thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. It's called make up.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
My mom more of those that you have on when
she went through her treatment. So yeah, I say keep
it on. I would because I don't like my hair.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
But you look good and it's a pleasure honor to
be in touch with you, and we thank you for
doing that wonderful.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Well, you, I'm your biggest cheerleader. You just keep going
and obviously our our viewers are as impressed with you
as I am. My dear young man, Yeah much, I
know very much. Well, you just keep doing what you're
doing because you're You're an inspiration to many, and I
(52:44):
feel very very comfortable passing the paranormal torch to someone
who is prepared to take it and run with it.
So with that, we'll close out our show tonight, and
for all of our viewers, thank you so much for
joining us on a world awakening. And I will leave
you with the message that I always share. Be the
(53:07):
change that you wish to see in the world. Always
be the beacon of hope, be the light you seek.
Good Night, everyone, go
Ash.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Good evening, everyone, and thank you so much for joining
us on a world awakening. It's wonderful to see you all.
Even though I can't see any of you. All I
can see is the dog walking through the room from
time to time, one of them anyway. The other ones
sound asleep, So anyway, welcome to a world awakening tonight.
(01:41):
I have two lovely young men who I had the
opportunity to meet at my event in Burrowville that I did,
the Ocean State Para Con, and we made our introduction
there a couple of years ago. And Justin and his son,
(02:03):
Christopher Hurley are folks that have not only a fascination
but a real love of my childhood home, and so
there was a great deal for us to discuss. For
those who are tuning in because they think they're going
to get some stuff on the ongoing controversy at the farm,
(02:29):
forget about it. You can just go to another YouTube
channel at this point, because that's not what this show
is about tonight. What this show is about is delving
into the history of that home, that place that holds
a special the core of my heart, the only place
(02:50):
that has ever felt like home to me in my life,
my permanent place on earth, and they love it the
way I do. And so Christopher, who is a student
of history and really a paranormal investigator, along with his dad,
are going to join us tonight. We had a little
(03:12):
bit of an issue with tech issues, but we're doing
much better now. That's great. How are you, gentlemen? Very good.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'm just concerned that this isn't working very well. Can
you hear us?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And yes, yes, you look much better than.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Out and everything.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So I was like, yeah, yeah, I know, it's a
little on. It's you know, tech, it's our best friend
until it's our worst enemy. It's just how it is.
And let's face it, Rhode Island is not known for
having the very best technology when it comes to Wi
Fi or anything else like that. So so anyway, Christopher,
(03:54):
you and I had a conversation a month or two
ago about your discovery of an old cemetery that I
was unaware existed. So it was very important to me
because I care about the spirits at the farm. I
(04:18):
care about you know, the Richardson family built the farm
and then through marriage it became the Arnold property. And
you've done a great deal of research on both and
so I wanted to give you an opportunity, as a
budding historian and a budding paranormal investigator who feels a
(04:39):
very strong attachment to that house, to talk about your experiences.
So the floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So yeah, a few months ago, like more than a
few months ago, I was sitting a bed and a
few times before I tried to find the Richardson Cemetery. Yea,
for hours and hours. I tried my hardest, but you
can I never could could quite found it because there's
one quite there's one issue. A lot of the like
(05:11):
the original owners, so there's like Isaac and Jonathan. They're
not listed to be buried anywhere on any website that
I've found. Even my best Betty at the for a
Historical Society, because she knows surrounding. I know it's an Uxbridge,
but it's very close by.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, I asked her all.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
About it, and she says that there's one that she
think it could be, and that's the Richardson Cemetery of
in Uxbridge, the Josephson.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Which used to be part of that property and used
to be part of Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, back a long long time ago. Because the
house originally had a lot of land, like a thousand acres,
so it was a part of their property originally, which
does make sense if you really think about other the
original owners. And then we went there because you can
find a little bit of it on some websites like
(06:07):
find a Grave, and I saw that there was definitely
Richardson's there, and I was able to find from family
trees that you could track it all the way back
to the first owners and then through marriage down the
line into the Arnolds and up to the Arnold's and
marriage and stuff. So so we heard the story about
(06:30):
Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I've always heard about that. That was always my favorite story.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And at the house, they believe the spirit the name
was Henry Richardson personally.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And that could be too because a lot of times
Henry the senior might have had a Henry junior, but
it was traditional when you had two with the same
name in the family to use the middle name and
the identifying name for a child, even though he might
(07:03):
have been Henry junior. So you know, that's certainly plausible.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But I always heard about that, and I was like,
you know, but really, Henry Richardson, that diet as a kid,
he's gonna be there.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
There's nowhere else in the world he would be.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So I look, I find a grave there he was
Henry Richardson, the spirit of the little boy, right there.
And like you said one of the times I met you,
if there's anyone to find it, it would be me.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And then a few months later I did.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I found it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, you are, you are tenacious, Christopher. I will give
you credit. I mean you're willing to put in the
time and the effort, and you know it is a
very tedious thing to go through town records and you know,
historical documents, and you do that with you seem to
relish it. It seems to bring you a great deal
of pleasure.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Because it's always that finding something new. That's always like that,
right there is what I'm doing it for. Like I
do my own family research. Whenever I cross over a
roadblock or I get something further, it always gets me
really excited to do more.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
And with their Richardson cemetery.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
The night that I found it, like the day that
I found it confirmed it was that we went the
next day because we weren't gonna waste any that we
wanted to see how it is. So we went and
everything is there all like, there's Richardson's and there's back
a long long time ago. Before they wanted to put
names and stones, they just had little stones and they
(08:35):
just put them in the ground or they put like initials.
There's a lot of those there. I know for a
fact the original owners are there. I ask people at
the Historical Society. I can't confirm which stone is theirs,
but there are a thousand percent there, yes.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
And so Henry was the exciting thing, the emotional part
of this for for him.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
We for a year, we would go.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
To the library, we would go he was searching on
his phone. So when he eventually texted me at work,
it was like, I think I found Henry. I was like,
it was an exciting day for us because it was
like he had looked looked for a year for this.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You know. First of all, we searched for Oliver the
whole summer before. The people at the library helped us.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And then he started doing his own research and it
was a culmination of hard work and it led to
we know he has other stories, but we just wanted
to make make that clear because he has.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
A lot, a lot.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
A lot of information to squeezing, but it was because
of Henry. It was like you know, in the in
the movie it's Rory, in real life, it's Henry. And
to make that connection and in real life and see
Henry stone on the ground was like And yet.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
My sister April had a relationship with that child that
she was very protective of. And she said he told
her his name was Oliver Richardson. And you know, so
it doesn't matter whether I mean she basically got it
from the source. That was how he was referred to
(10:19):
in the family. And she said that he appeared to
be maybe five or six years old when he passed away.
So undoubtedly, you know, either it was some kind of
illness or I mean, you were lucky. You know, you
(10:39):
through your own research that it was considered bad luck
to even name your baby until he reached the age
of one. That was, it was considered bad luck to
attribute a name to the child because infant mortality rates
were through the roof a common old could kill a baby.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I think on the stone instead of eleven months, right.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, he died at eleven months in twenty nine days, which.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Very calm back then to.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Like because if you were a baby. We didn't have
what we had.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We'd have who had now when you were a baby,
where if I was sick and I was a baby,
they could treat that right there in the hospital right
after you were born. But back then, if you got sick,
they had nothing to do for it. They had their
little things where you do this or this. Also the
time it wouldn't work, and even if it did, it
was only temporary, so you were lucky if you made
it past the agent like three back then.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And I think it was the reason that a lot
of families had like fifteen kids.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So all his research, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Some of the cemeteries were like the family had like
fifteen kids, and it's I think it was like a
for that reason, like I saw the opportunity that some
might not make it.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They were's just have some kids. I think, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
That's how it was.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Then. My great grandmother she has there was.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No birth control, none available, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So yeah too, there's no way to like if you
didn't want to pregnancy or not, you were having it.
There's no there's nowhere around it. It's like my great
grandmother she has fifteen other siblings. They that was just
all back then, they had a ton of kids, because
if one or two of them made it past fifteen,
that was amazing, and that's what you were aiming for,
(12:31):
because the chances of that were very, very low.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But yeah, I can even imagine living back then and
going through all of what is entailed in becoming a
mother and then knowing, just by the law of averages
that these precious little babies that you loved so much
and gave life to and brought into the world were
probably not going to make it. I can't even imagine
(12:58):
that level of heartbreak and loss and grief that so
many women lived through throughout their entire child bearing years,
and so many women died young because their bodies broke down.
You know, they just had so many children that they
(13:19):
were lucky if they lived past forty years old. Life
expectancy for a woman in the seventeen hundreds was forty two,
very very low. Yeap.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
So after Richardson Law, I'm going to continue with that.
I've so the way that richardson'sok. The house the property
was built originally by Noah Arnold and his son no
Arnold Jr. Because the property was owned by the Richardsons
for like a half, like fifty years or something.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It was a long long time.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And then this girl, Anne Richardson married John Arnold Jr.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
And then.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Back then women couldn't own properties, so it would either
go to your son or your son in law. So
I went to her son, and so I went to
their son in law, which was no Arnold Jr. And
him and his father built at least I know it
is part of house because it was built in three sections, right, so, and.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
There were barns that went all the way. They're gone now,
mister Kenyon demolished what was left of them. But even
in the oldest photograph that we have of the farmhouse
you can see that there are other outbuildings. And then
when the big barn that's there now was built, they
connected they connected it so that you never had to
(14:39):
go outside to tend for your animals.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, it was we went from no Arnold Jr.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Down to his son, who is John Arnold. Which a
lot of people that know the story or we've seen videos,
they know about John Arnold and his wife Abigail. They're
the ones who have It was fifteen or fourteen kids
somewhere around there and that's one of my big discoveries
is finding the cemetery that they were buried at.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And I found it a long long time ago.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's just the way to get to it was the
struggle because first of all, we didn't really know how
to get to it, because the pictures were an awful quality.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
There was green, there was vines. It was in the
middle of the woods somewhere.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And there's only two videos ever that I could find
of it. One of them is in a documentary and
it's very very short and it's not a good video.
And the other one is from a YouTube channel that
I got to lead like a few times. It's very
very old, and they don't show how to get there.
They just show the road and then they show at it.
(15:49):
So me and my dad had to go through the woods,
over a brook, over actually go over two brooks, and
then up like a hill to go get to and
it's that. That's my favorite thing I've ever done relating
to all this. Everyone's there.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He had he had bucket list places.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, my bucket list places, that was number one.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
So once again he's he's very matter of fact about this.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This was a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
So his bucket list places when he was He's been
doing this since he was eleven. He's fourteen now. I
want to find the arm a lot someday. He used
to talk about this in our car rides. We would
if we didn't have a tour, we would drive around Berval,
we'd go around the back roads.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We would go to Library. We know that town better
than our hometown. We're in Putnam right now.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
When he found that, that was like, we stopped a
couple of times.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It was like, I don't know, Christopher.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
We got to there's a brook and then we got
to get back and it's it's really hairy. I mean
it is thick. There's trees down and this cemetery is
up on like a hill. And he was like he
had like a beacon and I just followed him. He
was like, yeah, we're almost there, and he's like he
starts taking off and then so there's there's another part
(17:11):
of this. That's that's what you want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
There your on the site, so you do that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Have you been to the Arnold Cemetery that's at the
corner of Brook Road and uh and Sherman Farm Road
that's deep in Is that the one we're.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Going to wrap it and Susan and John and everyone.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That was the holy grail for him to find and
just because.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, you've got to go on private property to do it.
But I know, and so every time she sees me,
she's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We got permission from them.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Where well, so we went to the house and the guy,
it's the guy's got seventeen acres of the land and
he said, yeah, but there's another road you can take
that goes right there. So technically we had to go around.
And I always teach to him intentions and it's like
we're kind of trespassing around the back, but the intentions is,
(18:20):
the attentions are in his heart where he just wanted
to find this place.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, the respect to the people who lived at the farm.
He just wanted to find them, and like he finally
found them.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And it was just like and we did get the
main piece of the puzzle. We did get his permission.
He owns the cemetery, so we were allowed to go there.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So so and do you want to wait on his
other discovery.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
So it's that was the biggest fine for me. I
went there. It's over a brook and on the top
of a hill and everything, and everyone's there, all the
Arnold's that you see in the videos and you hear
in the stories they say in the house and everything.
Every single person's there. And that was the biggest thing
for me because I've that was since the first time
(19:06):
I ever went there and I heard about John Arnold
and Abigail Arnold. Those were the Those were the two
that I was like, well were they buried? And I
finally found it and one there and like is it
was the best fan I've ever done. Every single Arnold
you can think of is there. There's not a single
one that's looked out that is part of the main story.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well except did you go up across up round Top Road?
And the first cemetery on the right, which is the
Chase Cemetery which is where mister and Missus Kenyon are buried,
also has Eber Arnold and Prudence Arnold and yes, so
they're they're that family. That was also a family cemetery,
(19:51):
but it was also a community and it was it
was part of Rhode Island at that time.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
That was the first place that we've We've been there
a long time ago. That was one of the first
because it's so close to the house.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It's public, and so it's very easy to.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
The other there's the other cool do you want to
tell about finding prudence Is home? Yeah, so this so
it's a set. Obviously, you know Andrew, you know the
the thing about Prudence. So they tell these stories at
the house. So we always thought to find these places,
and when they're told as stories, they're kind of like
(20:28):
you're not really you can't really connect with them that
they're real. So with Prudence, with the story, it's not
a story like he found articles and so we know
that what really happened there. Obviously it's violent. So this
is another thing he dug down and found. How you
(20:49):
want to tell them how you found the home? He
didn't just find the house. He found there's the reason
how he found it through his researching. And then now
we have we have video and pictures of the house.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And so that Prudence Arnold her parents died when she
was very very young, so she was adopted by a
family member, which was I think it's Ann and Sarah Richardson.
Those were and also those were her and Henry's parents,
by the way, So how I figured out the house
(21:20):
where she died and was I had to find Ann's
father's will or he left his house because his house is.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
A historical landmark.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I think it's the it's the Joseph Richardson House in Oxbridge, Yes,
and I had to find his will, and his will
left it to an und so I knew she was
living there at the time. And I heard the story
that it was like a and I heard the story
when they said a road, I knew it was around there.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So I had a few clues.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
All I had to do was for the address, so
I went to the historical landmark. It has its own
patron Wikipedia, so it gave me the answer.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
And there it is.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
It's an Uxbridge like tent, like five to ten minute
drive from the house, and it's very very close to
the Richardson Cemetery where Henry is buried, because that's most
likely where Henry was living.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
In a sure life, he was living there.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
So there's that house, and that was That was a
big thing for me because I've been trying to find
that for like two years.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I wish we could go inside, but you know, it's
privately owned by people, so it's not like it's a
tour or anything.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, to see it in person.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Yeah, to see it in a person was razing.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
You know, we've been through a million tours, and you know,
we I think we've kind of graduated from guests to like,
you know, I don't know, some other thing, but we
we had so we started talking, Okay, we have this theory. Now, Okay,
well if that's where Henry lived, because that's where his
parents house is, and we drove by it and we're
like looking at it, and we started come up with
(23:00):
theories of well, why would Henry's spirit be at the
Conduring Hounseer, you know, at the Arnold Arnold lot. Yeah,
if that's where Henry grew up, where Prudence was, it is.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It's like, so Prudence, I mean, I get it does
make sense for her to be there sometimes because yes.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That's her home.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
First, yes, so her it would be step great grandmother
was Abigail Arnold, and also so that the family tree
has some mixed branches in there, but also technically her
like I think it was her uncle or her great
uncle was John Arnold junior. So it was very much
(23:42):
related to people at the house. So she went there
a few times she was related to tons of people
there in multiple ways, so she would have way, way
more than just one way to get access to the
house from family.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
By the way, he has all this on his phone
for professionally like March Badness bracketed with this kid is
organized like this isn't just he's not just like this
is well Bill, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Know if Bill's got it loaded, but I did send
him a couple of photographs to put up of what
he sent me. Let me see if I could get
him uh to do that. Okay, so keep going and
(24:34):
if he's.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
We always we have lots of conversations. I always tell
him we should have a podcast. And when I would
just if I would just hit my phone and recorded
while we're talking on our walks and stuff he has
he always has like such awesome stuff to say. So
we started thinking, well, would Henry's spirit be at the
Connoring house?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, and and we don't know that.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Part of three from our upbringing as kids, and you
might have this too. You might have some of your
best memories of your life at a certain location when
you're a kid that you'll never forget, maybe from maybe
from a holiday or a certain a certain Sunday ritual
or something you do with your parents where if you
smell coffee, like for me, if I smell brew coffee,
(25:21):
I immediately am in my Grandma June's house. And we
were thinking maybe Henry, even though he was so little
when he died, maybe his.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Memory or.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
His spirit is attached, maybe from being at that house.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't know. I tend to think that it's a
separate child because my sister April said that the little
boy that she met in spirit over and over again
was somewhere between five and six years old. Yeah, age
as she was when Wayne moved into the farm.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
We'll stick him on it, and I'll bet you he'll
find out who it is.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
That's what I was saying when I found when they
were saying Henry, I was like, yeah, but Henry died
at eleven months, so it wouldn't make I mean, I
really want it to be him, but something's telling me
it's not him.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Because him.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I don't think so either. I think you're right about that.
I think that there was a child that lived and
died in that house at the age of five or
six years old, that was afraid of something, very afraid
of something. Whenever he would come out of the little
door in the upstairs closet.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Looks like Arnold, I would think.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
No, he said his name was Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, but I mean, if it's an Ali Richardson. I
actually did this a while back. I narrowed it down
because of the time period that you say. I've listened
to all the interviews and I've did all my research
the time period that you think, and he's a Richardson
and he had to have been living in the house.
(27:05):
I would think that he'd have.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
To be a.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Brother or a or a first cousin of Anne Richardson,
who was the wife of John Arnold Jr. So you
know what records are back then. You don't really know.
You can't really get all the records from back then.
So brother named Oliver Richardson that I would have lived
(27:32):
at the house or maybe went there a lot, And
I don't I have no way of like checking that
because I've looked and she doesn't have any brother named
Oliver Richardson.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
But she very well could have.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I just don't know where.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
So transition to his most recent achievement, which is I'm
so damn proud of why don't you tell her what
getting So when we talk with Arnold Lot, there were
no pictures.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Online for the I think we sent you pictures of
this right the other day.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yeah, I think Bell's got them loaded. Bell, can
you put those up? Oh that's awsome when we met, that's.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
The day we met.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, there was a hot day.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It was a hot day. I thought I was going
to die. I don't have that much hair anymore. Oh God,
all right, this is like the Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So this is the Rhode Island Historical Cemetery's website, like
the Wall of Rhode Island where the Arnold Lot is.
And there was no photos on there because they can't
go on like find a grave in other websites and
take those photos because of copyright issues. So I messaged
the people over there and was like, hey, I have
these photos. I would love for you to put them
(28:47):
on there. And I went back and forth with this
one girl, and eventually she was like we should have
them up there eventually, which I was really excited about.
And then a few months later there they are. Oh
I'm very excited.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
So I'm not much of a believer in crazy things,
but you remember our our conversation when I said about
activity and how for a couple of years he never
got any and I still don't know, but from seeing
(29:26):
him in person, the way he hunts these places down.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Seeing now that they have their stones are visual.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
To the public, it's it's kind of like, I know
it sounds crazy, but like I always say, I think
his not activity, his experience was they gave this to
him to find for them or something. It's like it's
hard to explain, but when you see how like just
in personal passion and when he gets close to where
(29:56):
these places are, he's like.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Like a like a hunting dog. He's just like he
takes off and I just follow him.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He's like, I found it there you go.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
It's just so like cool that you know, it's he
doesn't have any social media sites for any of this stuff.
I just go along for the ride and he just
he just thinks it's so amazing to just get these
pictures up so that maybe somebody from the family looks
them up one day and now they have pictures of
their stones of the Arnolds you know who were from.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know, from when he was eleven.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
It was because of the cool conjuring house from the
movie and stuff.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, that's what got me like into it in the
first place, is because it's the Conjuring House is the
Conjuring It's like the biggest horror movie of all time,
and the story of it is crazy. And when I
first heard about it, I was with my mom, I remember,
and she read your books like like twenty, like like
ten years to like ten fifteen years before then, and
(30:54):
she was telling me, She's like, yeah, I heard about
the story a little.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I've read one of the books.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Like, well, where is the house.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I was with my dad and I was we're gooling
it and it was down the street from from where.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
We live, so I was like, well, why don't we
go check it out.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
And at the time, it was in the process of
being sold, so it wasn't really open to the public,
so we can only see it from afar.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
But eventually it opened for tours and then and then
there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
That's where it all started.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now, do you feel, Christopher, that you have some kind
of spiritual or psychic connection with one or more of
the spirits that draws you into this or that you
are operating on this plane of action so that you
can identify the spirits, you feel like personally invested, emotionally invested,
(31:53):
and bringing their story to light, their history to light.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Well, well, me and my dad think is that the
spirits want to be found. So that's why he thinks
of my experience, like, my experience is them giving me
that want and that desire to confine them. And that's why,
like randomly I'll just get the urge. You'd be like,
all right, we're finding the Richard's a lot right now,
and then there I go and find it. So we
(32:20):
think that maybe I have a spiritual connection with like overall,
or just maybe a few certain ones that really really
want to be found and publicize. Because if you think
about the big YouTube channels that go there and post
their videos, they're not going to the cemeteries.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
They're not talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, they're trying to find evidence from the house to
put out and that's their primary motivation. I don't think
they're particularly interested in the actual history of the house
in terms of the who the spirits were, you know,
and I've often said that myself too, you know, having
(33:03):
lived there for ten years of my life, it didn't
matter as much to me who they were that they
still are is what I find most fascinating, that their
presence is still there, attached to that farmhouse. And I
(33:28):
didn't feel a compulsion to to want to call them
by name, you know. For instance, I think I told
you justin when we were talking the story about Cody
Institori and the method that they use in a spirit
came through at the house named Joseph, and everybody was
(33:50):
looking at each other and said, did Andrea write about
a Joseph in the books? And no, I hadn't because
I didn't know that name, and my mother had not
come up with that name in her research when we
lived there. And so apparently this spirit could sense the
(34:10):
confusion in the room and came through and sent through
one short sentence, Nancy called me Manny. Well, we thought
for years and years, based on my mom's research, that
that spirit that was there the day we moved in,
that man standing in the corner staring at mister Arnold,
(34:34):
mister Kenyon, was Johnny Arnold. And Nancy, my sister, Nancy,
of course, didn't know who his name was, and so
she saw this man and she called him Manny for
lack of a better, you know, to give him some
identifying characteristic and for him sixty years later, fifty years
(34:56):
later to come through Cody and Sattori and saying, Nancy
called me, Manny, clarified everything. And we've been out of
the house, you know for decades and decades.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
At the Richardson lot, there's lots of Joseph's and a
lot of them we couldn't read, uh, you know, just
because they're so old you can't read like the specific writing.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, even the etchings are almost impossible.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, but we saw at least at least half a
dozen Joseph's there, so it's possible.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, the Joseph thing you also talked about I forgot where,
but talked about some Isaac they.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I don't know if that was you, but.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
One of of the people that went there said that
they like they keep getting one name, Isaac and Joseph,
like you said Joseph. The reason that I think because
I've thought about why would he be staring at specifically
mister Kanyan right now, who he's staring at A who's
coming into my house. I would think he'd be more
interested in Roger or Carolyn or you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, No, there was nothing, and yet he looked absolutely
solid to me. I mean, as I walked past him,
I said good morning, sir, and my sister Nancy saw
him evaporate into thin air. But he was he had
now think about this though. The Kenyans lived there for
more than fifty years, and so his attachment, if there
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was one at all, would have been to the Kenyons.
And I mean he looked right through me. It was
almost like he didn't even see me. He was fixated
on what mister Kenyon was doing, which was leaving the house.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Yes, Andrew, we've done so much research. We were looking
through this giant thing at the library and I always
said to them, we have to ask Andrewa this. So
what it seems that your dad in the seventies tried
to get some land purchased for campgrounds, like one hundred
(36:57):
and thirty plots.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's h We never heard about that. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We were so curious, what was what was that for it?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
You know, Well, my father figured if we had that
much property that we should You know, the farm is
extremely expensive. It's a money pit. I mean, you know,
it just is. And he thought that the land should
pay for itself. And what he wanted to do was
(37:25):
built a beautiful, uh, without disturbing the nature, put in
campgrounds so that people could go and enjoy some of
the original you know, practically Virgin Forest of New England
for a few months out of the year. And it
(37:47):
would have been a way, you know, to bring extra
income into the family. And it was a bright idea,
but the town council turned him down flat. They just
given a business operate a business there. Yeah. No, actually,
in a way, I think it's okay. He ended up,
(38:10):
you know, opening another business that was very lucrative and
he did very well with it, and he had his
jewelry business and you know, so I I don't know,
I believe that the universe, you know, we make the
best made plans, you know, and the universe laughs in
our face and says, no, no, no, you're not going
(38:32):
to do it that way.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Well he's proof of that because he hasn't hasn't been
able to go to the house since November and he
discovered the most important things since he's been there since
eleven after that. So, so thank you, thank you for
doing that. You know, we we said, well what we
there's other things we can do. We've already built that's
not it.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The house is not just there's so much Morges that
and we've.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Already built we've already built a hobby out of going
to Berville and doing research. So he's he found Henry
and then the Arnold a lot and it was like.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Just that fall was.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Just it was just so exciting, crazy, and.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
He's very protective of Henry's spot. We've only brought one
other person, our friend Tara, and he he's seen what
the world has become with with uh.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
People wrecking things and you know.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Just so so what I think is the cemetery it's
not too hard to find. I think we're not going
to tell anyone about it because it's Henry richards and Stone,
and they talked about you've got.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
To protect it. Now that you know where it is,
you have the only way that you can is with
your silence.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
We've only we haven't told anyone else where it is.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
We've only showed one person, and I think that's the way.
That's more than enough because that cemetery alone, I think
it was a few years back, had a vandalism problem
and it was like most of the stones were completely destroyed,
like hen Richardson Stone is in three pieces, and most
(40:09):
of the stones there are in multiple pieces. It's just awful.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So in this spring, hopefully.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
When we met Betty at the Historical Society, another huge
thing that would be very exciting for him. She told
him that she would exchange information and then when she's
able to go back to the ono ad lot to
have fixed it up because there are some stones that
need to be prepared, Christopher might get a chance to
be a part of that, which is another like like
(40:38):
exciting thing for him that.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, I really hope I can. Because they cleaned it
up along time, like a few months before we went,
and you could very much tell because every photo and
every story I've seen was it was ingrown and it
was like ten foot tall vines. When we went, it
was it was perfect. It was like it was it
was perfectly fine, like it was never never touched by anything.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
They had just trimmed it and cut everything down in
like October, So by the time we got there, it
was like, wow, it doesn't look like it does in
the video and you can actually see the gate.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Around it and everything.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Yeah, really cool and really to be there and see
like Abigailstone, and you know from our beginning of going
hearing stories about Abigail and the pheasant and pear Pie
and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It was like to be there. It's kind of not eerie.
It was more like a I don't know, it's just uh,
what's the word.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
It was very surreal.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, I also find it are inspirational. You know. I've
been to that cemetery a number of times I can't
even tell you how many over the course of my life,
and I find it a very peaceful, very tranquil place.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yes, I find it from when she used to hike the.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yes, and my father used to go there. I don't
I don't know why. My father had kind of a
special attachment with Abigail Arnold and he would go there
and just kind of commune with them, you know, that family,
(42:27):
and if he was upset or if he just had
a something, it was like something knocked at the back
of his consciousness and said, go to the go to
the cemetery. Yeah. And he always had a very special
care and concern for Abigail Arnold. And I always thought
(42:51):
and after I saw the only photograph that I ever
saw of her on ancestry dot Com, I recognized her
as one of the spirits in the house, and she
was the one that was so kind, so gentle, so loving,
so benevolent. I think she was probably the one that
(43:16):
used to cross through the bedrooms at night and lean
over and almost kiss our foreheads, but never, you know,
never quite made contact. But the few times that I
remember that sensation. Very often in the house, when there's
(43:37):
a spirit that's manifesting near you, the temperature will drop suddenly,
but that was not the case with her. It was
almost like a warmth that came with her that I
can't explain, and nobody in this field can explain. When
(43:57):
something like that happens. You think you've got it figured out.
You think you know well. Spirits can communicate and use electricity,
and spirits can communicate and maybe travel through water. I mean,
there's so many theories about how they come and go,
(44:19):
or if they're always there but only occasionally make their
presence known. How much energy does it require for them
to manifest in form et cetera. None of us are
going to have those questions answered, and you just have
to get to a point where it doesn't matter whether
(44:40):
or not those questions get answered. That that's part of
the mystery and the history of the farmhouse.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I don't need answers to everything.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, no, And that's why I always said it didn't
matter to me so much of who they were that
they still are is the most fascinating, most miraculous, most mystical,
most intriguing element of the farm. And you are absolutely right, Christopher.
(45:11):
It's not just the farm, it's all the area around
that farm that has is known for having supernatural activity.
That was their property, that was their house.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
He has a autographed Andrew Perenchonjuring poster here.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I do see that. I recognize that amber signing that
for him.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
And in this his sweatsure he's most proud of, has
your autograph on it too.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, that's the thing. I don't I keep that locked
away because I don't if I get it like, if
I get it too dirty or something like. I don't
want to risk anything because the signature is it's I
don't want it to fade away. I can't.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It's very special text.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yours the other one he got Arnie Johnson and Tony
Sperra's photograph at the Para Con.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
This is his.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, it's all warned.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
It's a very bad quality because it's it was that
was years ago, but.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
His first para con Annabelle and I just want to
do this because I'm a proud parent.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
He just one student of the month, so.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Oh yeah, color me surprised. He's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, spake surprise to everybody.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
But I'm just proud of Them's the congratulations.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Congratulations, honey. I'm sure it is well earned. I'm sure
you are as as proficient and mindful of student in
all your studies as you are in your pursuit of history,
the history of the farmhouse and the area you live in, Putnam, Connecticut. Yes,
(46:52):
so you're right over the border. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Yes, it's like it's eighteen minutes from your farmhouse there, and.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Sometimes we'll go up and just drive by and just
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Just check out a pretty ride too. It's a very
pretty ride through the backwoods of Rhode Island. You would
think that, you know, one of the original colonies that
was settled so many Madison. Clarine says, keep it up, kiddo,
you're inspiring. See. I knew that was going to happen.
I knew this was going to light people's fire. It is. Yes,
(47:30):
I agree, Terry. Big things are coming for this young man,
I agree, and that you know, it's why I invited
both of them on the show tonight too, because you know,
there are a lot of people that are functioning in
this field that are, for lack of a better world,
becoming word becoming elderly, myself included, and at some point
(47:56):
we have to pass the torch, and I couldn't pass
my torch into better hands now. And in the same
way that I years ago began that process with Cody
and Story, you know, I knew them since I knew
them since they were your age, and so that's so nice.
(48:17):
Look at all the people that are watching, and I'm
impressed with you. It was great.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
We went for his birthday. It was one of our
last times there, and there was a staff member that
from Afar was like just listening to him talking. She
had said to other staff members, it's like he's an
Arnold reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, I believe, said, you.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Know, I have. I don't know if I've discussed it
with you or not, but from the moment that I
met Christopher, I had a sense of him having an
attachment to the farm. That might even be that that
(49:01):
might even be that you know, we don't know if
reincarnation is a real, actual thing. But I had an
experience at the farmhouse where I saw a spirit who
I was seventeen years old when it happened, and she
looked other than the hair. She had a huge head
(49:22):
full of gray hair up on the top of her head,
but she was the mirror image reflection of how I
look now, only with lots and lots and lots of
gray hair, but identical to me. And I saw her face.
Everybody else in my family saw a side profile of
(49:42):
her when she manifested, and she smiled at me like
this kind of I know something you don't know smile,
and then she just kind of dissipated into thin air.
And I was the only one that saw her face.
And I didn't tell my mother what I saw until
(50:04):
the day that we moved out of the farm and
she said, I always knew we bought that house for you.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
M yeah, I heard that story. You're at the fireplace
after around the fireplace, yep, and you're you said you
were really really cold and you went to a fireplace,
and then it must have made a different kind of
cold because you were right there. You're still cold. You
looked up and then there was there was you, and
(50:32):
there was me, and.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was shocking, and it was very disquieting for me
because I was still so young. I had not really
processed whether or not reincarnation was a thing, you know,
or just or you know, a myth. But okay, we
have two minutes left. We're gonna have to wrap it up.
(50:54):
But anyway, yeah, I have I feel that same connection
with the farmhouse that you feel. And so something intuitively
tells me that we share a special kind of connection
and detachment to that farm that seems to be a
(51:19):
well spring of information that comes forward about the people
that lived and died on that property, that built that
prop built that house. But my sister, okay, my producer
is saying they both need to come back with any
new developments and or information regarding the farmhouse. He's very excited,
(51:43):
and so we will do that. We'll just pick up,
you know, as as things progress. We'll pick up where
we left off tonight.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
But I want to thank that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
And I want to thank both of you for joining
us tonight. It's been my pleasure. Can go to Andrea,
thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. It's called make up.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
My mom more of those that you have on when
she went through her treatment. So yeah, I say keep
it on. I would because I don't like my hair.
Speaker 6 (52:12):
But you look good and it's a pleasure honor to
be in touch with you, and we thank you for
doing that wonderful.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Well, you, I'm your biggest cheerleader. You just keep going
and obviously our our viewers are as impressed with you
as I am. My dear young man, Yeah much, I
know very much. Well, you just keep doing what you're
doing because you're You're an inspiration to many, and I
(52:44):
feel very very comfortable passing the paranormal torch to someone
who is prepared to take it and run with it.
So with that, we'll close out our show tonight, and
for all of our viewers, thank you so much for
joining us on a world awakening. And I will leave
you with the message that I always share. Be the
(53:07):
change that you wish to see in the world. Always
be the beacon of hope, be the light you seek.
Good Night, everyone, go
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