February 7, 2025 • 53 mins
Jonathan Altieri will share some of his most compelling and truly extraordinary experiences as an investigator who does it the right way, with love and respect for the dead. His sweet and gentle nature attracts the spirits, magnetized as he is for profound metaphysical encounters. Join us!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Mix on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
A on a ship, make good evening everyone, Thank you
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so much for joining us here tonight on World Awakening.
I have the pleasure and the honor to welcome a
dear friend of mine to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, we know each.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Other from the paranormal world, but it was really a
different kind of a friendship and and an immediate knowing
that we were somehow being reunited. And I think that
we met in person about probably eight or ten years ago.
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But once you spend some time with Jonathan, you will
understand that there's a foreverness about him and a sweetness,
a kindness of compassion that is inspirational to me. And
we've done a lot of different events together. We've been
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to a lot of different places together. We've spent a
lot of time together at the farmhouse up in Rhode Island.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
We have some stories to share. So without further ado,
allow me to welcome my friend and fellow a normalist,
Jonathan Altieri.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hello, darling, Hello, it's pleasure to be here tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's so good to see you. I mean, this is
the best that I can do right now. You're having
a snowstorm. I'm not going where you are, so there
won't be any hugging or cuddling up or or any
of that until you frozen tundrights saw out and I'm
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ready to get back on a plane and go someplace
and do something. So yeah, in the interim, why don't
we just just skip along that path that we have
created and reminisce about some of the wonderful experiences that
we've shared and some of the events that you've attended
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and you've you know, compiled over the years, you know,
a great deal of evidence. To me, I don't consider
myself a paranoral investigator. That feels kind of redundant to me.
It's like I'm searching for something I already know exists.
So you know, it's like, Okay, I just kind of
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enjoy watching other people have experiences, now, I really do.
That's the part of what I do that I enjoy
the most is watching other people have experiences that blow
their minds wide open. So why don't you share with
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our audience tonight some of the things that you have
experienced over the years that have changed you because of
what these experiences have taught you.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, way to start, I want to say, like I
had experiences like when I was a kid, Yes, where
I would see things like in my roommate night, I
would see like little like different color lights. And you know,
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Hubbar is like the whole the whole town is haunted.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It is.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Is haunted.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yes, my mom and dad built the house back in
the seventies. I remember them telling me that they found
like old boots in the ground when they were digging
the build with the basement in. Yeah, they found like
those old stone walls. Of course, there's all these artifacts
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he found. And I think that has something to do
with like the activity in the house.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And even though it's a new house, some people think that,
oh it's a brand new house, it can't be haunted.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh no, that's not true at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That is.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, whatever house you're living in, I don't care
if it was built three years ago or three hundred
years ago.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It is sitting on ancient land.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Mm hmm, yep, exactly exactly. And so I would see
like different coral lights I would see, he's I would
see white lights with red lights in my room at night,
and I'd be like this with the covers, like like
what's going on? Is there like a match a duel.
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And but as I started getting older, things dwindled and
it didn't seem much happening anymore. I was still interested
in the paranormal, and other things in my life are
going on. I was just not paying much attention. And
then back in twenty fourteen, I saw they Ryan was
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having the para con. Yes, and that's where I met you, Yes,
and yeah, yep, and and I saw the Conjuring movie
and I heard your story and I'm like, and this
is this is my hometown, like this is this happened?
I don't even know this. And after that I was
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going to take the para cons to see you, like
almost every year.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And then in twenty sixteen there's another friend I know
that I went to my first paranormal investigation with. Yeah,
went to this old museum in Hampshire and I was,
you know, I'm it was a newbie, so I was
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just using my cell phone camera and didn't have any
equipment really, just going by, you know, just sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, but you all, now you are the best piece
of equipment that you could have, you know, using our
own sensory perceptions, I find is much more. You don't
need all the bells and whistles in the flashing lights. Yep,
that's not It's one way to identify the presence of something,
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but not how you communicate.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, And like as far as like the electronic equipment stuff, yeah,
we don't really need that, but I must have met
though I do love dowsing rods. I do love using
towsing crouds. But and then let's see, after that, it
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was just the Ryan Para con again. But the farmhouse
is where I really got into it, into the investigation.
So and I remember when the first time going to
visit there, I was looking a little nervous, but that
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walking I didn't know what to expect the energy of
that house walking into it. But when if we walked
through that threshold, all I felt was love. Yeah, coming
from that inside of that house, all I felt was love.
I felt welcoming arms. And it wasn't like, oh, some
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people have that because of the movie. They had that
like feeling like oh, it's gonna be so negative or
it's gonna be like this, and that that could be
further from the truth. And I that first time investigated,
I remember going upstairs and to my surprise hearing the
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little boy's voice, like clear as day, without recording or anything,
just out in the open. And that's the little boy
that interacted with April. Great yep. And I also remember
going into the birthing room, yes, the board room, yeah, yep. Well,
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it couldn't go in right away. It had this feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of it is a very very heavy space it is,
and it was right off my bedroom, so you know,
it was like literally a door away from where I slept.
And so, you know, I heard over the ten years
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that we lived there, there were many times that I
heard things shuffling around, and there many times that I
heard voices crying babies, you know, I mean there were Yeah,
it was that was just a normal part of you know,
my paranormal world living at the farmhouse. But what did
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you experience. Cindy had a very bad experience in the
burning room, and so did Nancy. You know, so I
just avoided it, like the plague. I mean, I just
didn't even open that door. I had.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
One experience I had in there was just in my mind,
not really like a voice, but in my mind I
had get out, just get out of the room.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and it's an overwhelmingly sad space. In the house
for at least it was for me and anytime that
I ever have I've stepped in there a few times
since we moved, and it feels like I immediately step
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into a bubble of I'm not everything changed, and I
feel like I can't hear anything, Like I'm like I've
had a fish bowl put over my.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Head and very isolated.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yes, yeah, it's and I don't know, I'm just I'm
not comfortable in that space. I love the whole house,
but I feel an intense sadness in that room.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Out of the three rooms upstairs, there one not the
so there's your room in the middle bedroom, but the
bedroom after that actually feel felt the most comfortable. Yeah,
and the whole upstairs, yes, but we had like we're
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getting activity in there too. There were someone had like
a little toy car on one of the dressers and
it just rolled off in front of us and landing
right in the floor. And we tried debunking it, like
we put it back up there. We tried walking around it,
tried shaking the floor and it when it moved. And
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then in the middle bedroom that that closet didn't exist
when you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Not now the room was much larger that wall of
the two closets did not exist.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So I remember Brady and I we went into that
closet and I had not negative, but just had a
strange energy to it. Yeah, like, and I've heard there's
like some sort of portal or something.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's where my sister Cindy heard. Right where you were.
Her bed was up against imagine that those closets being gone,
and her bed was up against that wall, and that's
where she heard the voices. There are seven dead soldiers
buried in the wall. There are seven dead soldiers buried
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in the wall. Right there where those closets are now
is where her bed was, and that's where she heard that.
And that's also where her bed would shake and levitate
and move. And and my parents downstairs in the room
right directly below it, the same thing would happen to them.
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They'd wake up in the morning and their whole entire
bed would be lopsided in the middle of the bedroom
like yeah, and the doors would be open, those two
doors in the room that, Yeah, they would be open.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It does, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It was.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, that was always an issue, and to the point
where my parents finally vacated that room and went and
turned the summer kitchen into their bedroom just to get
away from it because it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Woll it can. It's funny because like this, I can
there certain areas of the house where I can even
mention that there's some rars that felt uncomfortable, some that
felt comfortable. The room we were just talking about that
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was your former parents bedroom in the library, right. That
room itself has it's like its own feel to it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It does, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But at the same time, like when investigating there, it didn't.
We had some activity there in that room, but not
as much as I thought there would be. They seem
to be more activity up in the middle bedroom and
where else in the basement.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you how if you had
any you know, recollections of being down in the cellar
and different places in the cellar because the energy is different.
It runs the entire length of the house from the
root cellar at one end all the way to you
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know where the heating equipment is, and the stairs that
go up to the front foyer yep, and has two
sets of stairs and you know whether you're in the
well room or you're in the candle room or or
you're in the root cellar, or you're in the open
spaces of the cellar. It has a lot of different
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The temperature can change dramatically down there now, and it's
all the same depth the underground, so ideally you would
think the temperature is always exactly the same. And that's
why the root cellar was down there, because you never
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could use it as a year round refrigeration unit. And
yet there'd be times that you could walk through that
cellar and suddenly it went from being comfortable to you
literally shaking because the temperature just plunged right way you're
standing and you know you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The room that's right next to the well room, yeah,
that's usually flakes are always off on it. That room
always creaked me out. And I was brave enough during
one investigation that they're like, oh, Jonathan, just go in there,
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be brave, go in and I did. I went in there,
and another friend came along and we actually did like
a voice recording, and we we were asking like different
questions and stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Were you doing EVPs?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We were trying to record EVPs.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I can't remember if we used EVPs or something. I
can't remember exactly what we used, but the spirit that
was in that room didn't like us in there and
wanted us to leave the room. And we're like why
we just there was no answer. But and then in
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the well room we did the the flashlight. Yeah, that's
just back off a little bit, and it would we
asked questions and it would actually light up and respond.
And I'm used to seeing that like on TV shows
or whatever, but this experience in person, it's like, yeah,
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completely different. And what else. Oh, there was one night
I was investigated there that Cody and Satory were over
and they did their method. Yes, and I think her
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name's Abigail.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Abigail Arnold.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, we actually could hear her walking around upstairs while
we're in the living room and she would actually come
down the stairs and communicate with them. And that's one
of the most like amazing experiences as I had.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, she was one I'm not positive, but I do
think that she was the one that would walk through
the house every night, through the upstairs and check on us.
Yeah that you know, as we were all falling off
to sleep, and Cindy was the one that was most
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familiar with her and Abigail had a beautiful head of
hair that she wore up. And I only saw one
photograph of her ever, but she she I found her
to be very kind hearted, uh you know, not in
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any way mean spirited, so to speak. She was a
very gentle, gracious lady.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
She's the one that this is just so funny. I
had my fancy yes, and she loved it too. She
said she came through, and I think it was her there.
The Methic Cody story is meth that she came through
and the said that I love Jonathan's hat mm hm.
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And I was like, oh, well, thank you so much. Yes, yeah,
and uh And besides the farmhouse I've been to with
other people to other investigations, there's a.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Have you been to the paint House once? Okay, I
love that place. I love the paint House and Coventry.
Oh my god, it's it's it's exceptional.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's, oh my god, it's beautiful, actually beautiful. I had
a Watchman head a couple of times. But yep, that
was fun. We went up to like the We're not
all the all the rooms, but one of my favorite
places to go to there was the Attic.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And then the little Enne da Costa was he there?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He wasn't there at that time, but we went with
like Brady and his family.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Oh, okay, good the ball yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And there was some Oh we were playing like I
think it was like hide and seek or something, yeah,
with the spirits, and like we would ask like where
so and so is what room did they go to?
And you would hear the footsteps go to that room
to find them. It was pretty freaky but cool at
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the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And it's a very active house. It's one of
the most active that I've ever been in. No, I
can't help the activity in the farmhouse when I'm there,
because that occurred spontaneously just because I'm there. But when
I've gone to other locations and been able to almost
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do a comparative analysis, you know, is this house more
haunted than my childhood home was, or you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I've always had experiences there that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Were somewhat akin to I think that spirits can only
communicate in certain ways, you know, and use water, use electricity,
use Cody and Sidory use I mean there are there
are just certain ways that they can break through, and
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they love and are fascinated with our electronics. Well, none
of those things existed when we lived at the farm,
you know, so we had to use our own sensory perception.
I think in all the years we lived there, I
caught one spirit on film one and I just took
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a picture of my sister Nancy showing off her her
new leather coat for Christmas and Hi Sam, Sam sare
and and there was this wisp of energy that was
just like it looked like a cloud, a sheared cloud
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that was moving right in front of her. And it
was just one of the spirits that was probably admiring
Nancy's new coat too. No, but it didn't appear when
I took the photograph. It appeared in the photograph.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh yeah, so you don't always see with the naked
eye like right down there. Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I was lucky to capture that. It is one
of my favorite pictures from the farm.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But those plays, the farm and the Painthouse around the
same era, Yes, they have that that that wonderful you know,
the feel of the time, Yes, hard to describe it,
but alio times, Yeah, I love it, I love it,
love it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And so.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Twice is past twenty twenty four, Two times I went
to Wilson Castle with Monique too soon.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, and we love like, oh we are loving us
some Monique, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And I'm like, I'll take this two hour drive up. Yeah,
such a nice ride up there. And you get there
and you go, it's a beaut it's a beautiful castle
under renovation. And you walk into these these big doors
and oh it's you got a big four. You got
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the like a formal living room, a couple like dining rooms.
It's amazing, and uh, we're gonna start with that one.
Going the main floor has activity and the second floor
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does too, but that third floor had like the most activity,
and they haven't like they're leaving it. The third floor
kind of like on a rough side, so they're not
fixing the walls or anything. They're letting it be like that.
And there's a room that they have a confine in it,
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and there's a long story to go with that, but
that's the room like we like to go, all of
us go into and like have the like a rim
pod on or the live thing that plays the voices
as they come through and yep yep. And the there's
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a bathroom right off the room that has like as
mediums as Psychica. Sam Mcampaneus's last name for trusilusis he.
I could see this. There's an elemental that likes to
hang out in that bathroom, and it has some sort
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of thing with like I think Monique like tries to
communicate with Monique a lot. And Monique actually went in
there and she was using different methods to try to
communicate with it, and I'm like, I went and took
a peek in the bathroom a couple of times, and
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then then but I was like just outside the door,
and I'm like, Okay, what's going on with I was
like so nervous because it's like it's a it's not human,
it's a elemental. Right, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
You know? And that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But there's a lot of activity in that castle. And
there's also we went to the Emery estate over the summer.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I've not ever been there.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And that that's a it reminds me again of the
farm in the paint House. It has that era of
colonial styling, but it has its own uniqueness to it.
It has one of the rooms has like a staircase
that goes up to a tower. Yes, and you can
see you see out the tower and see Boston. Wow,
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it's really cool and that actively there's activity in that hell.
We actually took turns going into one of the bedrooms,
one of the closets that's known to have some likes
to open up, that likes to that you hear different
sounds in it. We had an opportunity to go one
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at a time in the closet and like lock ourselves
in it in the dark and just listen and feel.
And I've Curtis Horn, I felt like a little hand
on my shoulder, but I didn't like to react to
it or anything. I just let let everything happen. And
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there's also they have like a cedar closet on one
of the bedrooms on the other side that has like
an awful creepy feeling to it I've been to. Besides that,
there's been other places I've been to that I went
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to in the Infield House in Connecticut mm hmm, Haunt
infield House. Now, this happened at every state, but also
happened at Enfield House. And my first night there, we
were recording voices and playing them back and one of
the spirits just said, my name you hear Jonathan, come
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right up and I'm like, they know me already. I
just I haven't even introduced myself yet, so it's they know.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh yeah, they know who you are. Like, yeah, we
had an incident on an incident with Cody and Satori
at the farm one night where the wrapping just wouldn't stop.
It wouldn't stop. And and you know how polite Satori is,
and she she told them, Okay, I can't, I cannot
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talk to you all at once. Choose one and then
let that one give me the message. And I was
just sitting on the sofa, not just waiting to see
what would happen that night. And they tapped out my name,
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well an d and story said so this message just
for Andrea.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yes, and then they.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Spelled out four words, we miss your family. I was
blown away. I was blown away. I just sat there
and cried, you know. I mean I felt like saying, oh, yeah,
sure you don't have anybody to torment, you know, but
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of course you miss us.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Were we an interesting group of seven people.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yep. I remember watching the.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Show, Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Any Bruni's on it, but they had them Kindred spirits
and yeah and the episode and Chip yeah, yeah, and
your sister there's she had. She got she was uncomfortable,
She had uncomfortable experience.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, she she won't ever ever ever go back. M Yeah,
she had a bad experience during the filming, and she
kept they kept they wouldn't leave her alone, and they kept,
you know, trying to draw her down into the cellar,
and she said no, no, no. You could see if
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you go back and you look at that episode, you
can see at one point the camera is on her
and you can see her just like shaking her like
telling them no, like leave me alone, leave me a
stop this, leave me.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know, she was trying to be engaged with Chip
and trying to you know, be involved in the conversation
around the table, and she was being harassed.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And and you know, then we went after the shoot,
we went back to the hotel room.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everything was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We left early early in the morning to fly back,
and by the time she got home, there was a massive,
like a huge, like softball sized bruise on the back
of her thigh and she had taken a punch in
like the kidney area too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And she was sick. She was so sick.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
It was like spiritual malfeasance, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Mean they wouldn't take no for an answer.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They wouldn't take no for an answer, and they tormented her,
and she said, that's it. Never ask me again. Please
don't ever ask me again to go back to the farm.
That was the last time I will ever go.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And she said it took her about.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Two weeks to really clear that energy from her body
and she and I won't ever ask her again. I
mean it was as she's not big on getting in
front of the cameras, you know, She's like, no, you
go do that, you know, you go do that, you
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know the story, you go tell the story. I would
like to have a normal life. Please, thank you very much.
And you know, but I asked her as a special
favor to be involved with that episode because of Amy
and Adamanship and my close personal friendships with them, and
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so you know, I was it was generous of her
because she would had I not asked her to be
a part of that and to go with us to
the Upper Peninsula Michigan paric on.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The previous weekend and then right from you know, right
to Rhode Island to film.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know, she would never have I mean, Cindy has
made a life for herself that she has her guides,
she's surrounded by spirit. It's an absolutely normal part of
her life being a paranormal person. But she won't step
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foot back on that property again. It's it's been too
long and hard a journey, not only experiencing it for
ten years, and Cindy, you know, was assaulted several times
in that house. She got picked on. She got picked
on in that house. But then she had to go
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through decade of processing that, and then I wrote the books,
and then she was plunged right back into it again
when the movie came out. So I understand her wanting
to escape it and just have a normal life. What
she doesn't understand is that she will never have a
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normal life because she's a paranormal person.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It happened.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You can't be untouched, you know. It's the same thing
like have I ever done your Third Eye for you?
Where I open up here? Have I?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, we're at the casino. Yes I'm it's still a
working like I haven't mastered or really used it. It's
a work of progress.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So yeah, yeah, well that's you know.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
The first thing I tell everybody is just be sure
that you're ready, because I can't. I can't undo it.
I can't I can do it. I can't undo it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And to be very honest, lately, the last I can't
wait the last couple of weeks, just sitting here in
my room, you know, after a long day of work,
I'm tired. I just want to lay down, go on
my computer, watch TV, whatever. And I have been seeing
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I'm telling myself, am I going loopy? Because I've been
seeing quick movements out of the corner of my eye
in my room here. All of a sudden, you just
see like a wisp of right by, And I have
the second guess, like, no, am I just tired? Or
am I just is somebody visiting? Yeah, because I have
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I have like family and friends that have passed on
that I know must come and visit. Yeah, and they
just show, they're showing themselves. But I'm seeing it more
lately after everything in the world that's been going on too. Yeah,
it was like a like a higher activity going on.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, there is a higher level of activity. And you know,
I was just talking to deb Darus about that this morning,
about how I feel. I'm getting a lot of downloads,
I'm getting a lot of sightings, I'm getting a lot
of the same thing with the you know, just like
that fasted and you can see movement peripherally or or whatever.
(38:40):
I'm feeling very much not alone. Is what is the
best way to put it? You know, because I don't know.
I don't know who or what it is. I just
know that it is.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm begetting all of a sudden, I just will be
sating here and now I'm thinking, I'm thinking, oh, is it?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Tonightis? Also I'll just get like this ring all of
a sudden for a recently, like something's going, like something's coming.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Like yeah, and it's quick. It's different.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Sometimes it'll be a low vibration. Sometimes it'll be very
high pitched yep, and you know, and I don't know.
I've had my ears checked over and over and over again.
I do not have Tonightis I'm having contact? You are
having contact. And I think that most people who go
(39:43):
to an e n T to find out why their
ears are ringing and get a prescription that doesn't work
is because they don't have tonightis either they're being contacted.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
And then they're wasting money on the medication.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, and it'll take longer than I will be alive
for humanity to understand that we are in constant contact,
constant connection. You know, we're all tapped into the same
(40:24):
greater consciousness and there's where a lot of that, you know.
That's why telepathy is what it is. Like why all
of a sudden, I'll think of you and then get
a text message from you within two minutes because you
heard me think about you, or I heard you thinking
(40:48):
about me, and then comes the message.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You see, So like I heard about I heard in
my head tonight, and now you were a text texting
me this, or you think, but I heard your voice
in my head say, don't be nervous. I love you,
don't be nervous. But we weren't on the phone or
like this, we weren't. I just heard it in my head. Yeah.
(41:16):
And speaking of the ets, I remember texting you this
when it was happening. It was like a year or
two ago. This happened here at home. I was on
the porch and just looking up at the sky. It
was I came remember it was summer or winter, but
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it doesn't make a difference. And I was looking up
at the sky and behind the tree line, I thought
that there's a star or an airplane coming and it wasn't.
It was like a little as a white light and
it came out from like behind the tree line. And
(42:00):
this happened like like a few nights, right in the
room the same time. The light came out. As soon
as it recognized that I saw it, it would go
it would hide behind the tree. Yeah, And I'm like,
that's got to be them, And they noticed that I
noticed them, Yeah, And I'm like, you don't need to hide,
(42:22):
you can. I saw you, you can come out.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I've told them to stop and go in another direction
because they were getting too close to the airport and
I didn't want them to get spotted. And they follow
my directions and go down behind the tree line. Every
time a plane goes over, they hide behind the the
(42:47):
headgerow and then come back out.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yes the plane is passed.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
And I don't live I don't live that far from
the Worcester Airport and you'll see planes coming all the time.
So it's pretty much the same thing, like just don't
get caught.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I know you're here, I know you're watching me. I
am now watching you. Go hide behind the trees and
don't get caught.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yes, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And like like recent events like that, that what's happened
for with you lately? Have you? I can't have you
seen your Has your mother been around the visit?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And yes, yes she has. And it's part of the
reason why excuse me that, you know, I feel I'm
not going to say that I feel confident that I
will survive, but I do feel confident that she's doing
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everything in her power to help me to survive. And
I had a thing happened a few weeks ago. Every
now and then I'll fall out of that surreal feeling
of oh my god, she's gone. Oh my god, how
(44:22):
can she not still be here? How can she be gone?
You know, and it'll just hit me like she just
passed all over again. And I cry every day. I
mean I cry every day over something I do. I'm
just a crier. I'm a cry baby. My friend Zucy says,
But that dad was sitting right out here on the
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back deck and I just started talking to her and
I said, I just I miss you so much. I
can't even believe that you're gone. And right behind me,
(45:05):
over my shoulder, there's a set of wind chimes that
has her name on them, and with the saying about
you know, through the strongest storm of the softest breeze.
Listen to the wind and think of me. And the
wind was there was no wind. It was absolutely still outside.
(45:30):
And all of a sudden, those wind chimes went nuts
that just like crash crash, I mean like like somebody
was holding the thing that hangs at the bottom, just
moving it back and forth like and I you know,
and I went from sobbing to laughing because I knew
(45:55):
it was her.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
She knew, I knew, and those were That.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Was the first gift.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
That we received after she passed, was those wind chimes.
And I was like, okay, Mom, all right, so you
know it is obvious to me. I mean it was
no wind. The air was completely still, and they were
ringing like the bells of Saint Mary. And I knew
(46:24):
it was her. And as soon as I acknowledged that
it was her, when I was done sobbing and gasping
for air and then laughing, it stopped. And that was it.
She's like, I'm right here, I'm right here, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
So yeah it works, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It is, it really is, And and I know that
I'll be with her again, and I know that she
forgives anything I ever did in my life ever to
you know, disappoint her or her feelings or you know.
(47:07):
I'm sure you know all kids do that to their parents,
whether they know it or not.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
My mother and I of course love each other very much,
but really.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
You couldn't possibly be different than you are, more different
than you are, You couldn't possibly be more different.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
I know your mother, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I know.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Well, you know it was.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
The last six months with mom were pretty hard, and
she would get very frustrated, and she would sometimes because
she knew she was slipping away. She knew that my
mother was brilliant, brilliant woman, extremely well read, you know,
(48:06):
just she felt she got very frustrated and upset when
she felt her intellect slipping away. Yes, that's what because
to her, that was her essence that was leaving. It.
(48:26):
Could have didn't love to do anymore, right, Yeah, It
wasn't really even so much about her physical form. It
was when she started to lose her memory, she and
her intellect.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
She began to h really really resent that she was
stuck here.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So, oh my god, how did that hour go?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I think you're wrong, honey, Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Really? Okay? So anyway, yeah, it's I feel like we're
gonna have to talk over the weekend, honey, because I
don't think we had enough time to catch up. But yeah,
she's around, and yes, I know. Just enjoy every moment
with your mom, honey, because you're not going to have
(49:22):
her forever, and yet you are going to have her forever,
So make sure that everything is peaceful. Make sure that
everything is peaceful, because we're living in a day and age,
in a time where it's it's a rare commodity to
(49:43):
find peace and tranquility with people that you disagree with
in myriad ways. You know, it's it's difficult. It's difficult,
and she's stubborn and my mom was stubborn too, so
I get it.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
I absolutely understand it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
In the world to like, you can't see anything on
social media about somebody snapping at you.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
It's like, yeah, oh no, I avoid it like the
black plague of Europe. Yeah, it's really toxic and I
don't want to be in that environment. And I'm frankly,
as you well know, I'm not allowing anybody or anything
energy into my world that has any kind of negativity
associated with it, even associated with it. Right, it is
(50:33):
not a self loving act to jump into a toxic
pool and swim around with toxic people.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
It's just not you know. I mean, I think you can.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Love everybody, but some people you have to kind of
love at a safe distance. You know.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
I know there's people that I'm very cordial with them. Yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, and it's and that's okay because you know, ultimately
none of us are here for everyone. You know, we
have we kind of have to go through life and
find our tribe people that you know paths, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Well you're you know, you're part of my tribe, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean I I sent you a time to circle
the wagons, Jonathan, time to circle the wagons. You build
the fire in the middle, we'll circle the wagons, you know, yes,
And you are part of my heart, part of my family,
part of my tribe, My dear, dear sweet Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And when I met you, you felt like another sister,
Like thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's that's a high compliment. So all right, so I
guess Bill's going to throw us off the acause to run.
But you know, I just I want you to know
that I love you. I will see you at you
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and and we'll make some more supernatural shenanigans. Together, there's
no question in my mind. And I want to thank
everybody that joined us tonight on the World Awakening. We
know there are a.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Billion other things for you to watch, and you came
to be with us, and so that matters to both
of us, and from our hearts and with eyes wide open,
look up, stare at the sky, be the beacon of light,
(52:51):
and be the light that you seek.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thank you all for joining us tonight. I love you too, sweetheart.
I still fix
Mix on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
A on a ship, make good evening everyone, Thank you
(01:25):
so much for joining us here tonight on World Awakening.
I have the pleasure and the honor to welcome a
dear friend of mine to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, we know each.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Other from the paranormal world, but it was really a
different kind of a friendship and and an immediate knowing
that we were somehow being reunited. And I think that
we met in person about probably eight or ten years ago.
(02:02):
But once you spend some time with Jonathan, you will
understand that there's a foreverness about him and a sweetness,
a kindness of compassion that is inspirational to me. And
we've done a lot of different events together. We've been
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to a lot of different places together. We've spent a
lot of time together at the farmhouse up in Rhode Island.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
We have some stories to share. So without further ado,
allow me to welcome my friend and fellow a normalist,
Jonathan Altieri.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hello, darling, Hello, it's pleasure to be here tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's so good to see you. I mean, this is
the best that I can do right now. You're having
a snowstorm. I'm not going where you are, so there
won't be any hugging or cuddling up or or any
of that until you frozen tundrights saw out and I'm
(03:13):
ready to get back on a plane and go someplace
and do something. So yeah, in the interim, why don't
we just just skip along that path that we have
created and reminisce about some of the wonderful experiences that
we've shared and some of the events that you've attended
(03:34):
and you've you know, compiled over the years, you know,
a great deal of evidence. To me, I don't consider
myself a paranoral investigator. That feels kind of redundant to me.
It's like I'm searching for something I already know exists.
So you know, it's like, Okay, I just kind of
(03:57):
enjoy watching other people have experiences, now, I really do.
That's the part of what I do that I enjoy
the most is watching other people have experiences that blow
their minds wide open. So why don't you share with
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our audience tonight some of the things that you have
experienced over the years that have changed you because of
what these experiences have taught you.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, way to start, I want to say, like I
had experiences like when I was a kid, Yes, where
I would see things like in my roommate night, I
would see like little like different color lights. And you know,
(04:59):
Hubbar is like the whole the whole town is haunted.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It is.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Is haunted.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yes, my mom and dad built the house back in
the seventies. I remember them telling me that they found
like old boots in the ground when they were digging
the build with the basement in. Yeah, they found like
those old stone walls. Of course, there's all these artifacts
(05:28):
he found. And I think that has something to do
with like the activity in the house.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And even though it's a new house, some people think that,
oh it's a brand new house, it can't be haunted.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh no, that's not true at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That is.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, whatever house you're living in, I don't care
if it was built three years ago or three hundred
years ago.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It is sitting on ancient land.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Mm hmm, yep, exactly exactly. And so I would see
like different coral lights I would see, he's I would
see white lights with red lights in my room at night,
and I'd be like this with the covers, like like
what's going on? Is there like a match a duel.
(06:17):
And but as I started getting older, things dwindled and
it didn't seem much happening anymore. I was still interested
in the paranormal, and other things in my life are
going on. I was just not paying much attention. And
then back in twenty fourteen, I saw they Ryan was
(06:41):
having the para con. Yes, and that's where I met you, Yes,
and yeah, yep, and and I saw the Conjuring movie
and I heard your story and I'm like, and this
is this is my hometown, like this is this happened?
I don't even know this. And after that I was
(07:07):
going to take the para cons to see you, like
almost every year.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And then in twenty sixteen there's another friend I know
that I went to my first paranormal investigation with. Yeah,
went to this old museum in Hampshire and I was,
you know, I'm it was a newbie, so I was
(07:33):
just using my cell phone camera and didn't have any
equipment really, just going by, you know, just sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, but you all, now you are the best piece
of equipment that you could have, you know, using our
own sensory perceptions, I find is much more. You don't
need all the bells and whistles in the flashing lights. Yep,
that's not It's one way to identify the presence of something,
(08:07):
but not how you communicate.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, And like as far as like the electronic equipment stuff, yeah,
we don't really need that, but I must have met
though I do love dowsing rods. I do love using
towsing crouds. But and then let's see, after that, it
(08:32):
was just the Ryan Para con again. But the farmhouse
is where I really got into it, into the investigation.
So and I remember when the first time going to
visit there, I was looking a little nervous, but that
(08:57):
walking I didn't know what to expect the energy of
that house walking into it. But when if we walked
through that threshold, all I felt was love. Yeah, coming
from that inside of that house, all I felt was love.
I felt welcoming arms. And it wasn't like, oh, some
(09:19):
people have that because of the movie. They had that
like feeling like oh, it's gonna be so negative or
it's gonna be like this, and that that could be
further from the truth. And I that first time investigated,
I remember going upstairs and to my surprise hearing the
(09:46):
little boy's voice, like clear as day, without recording or anything,
just out in the open. And that's the little boy
that interacted with April. Great yep. And I also remember
going into the birthing room, yes, the board room, yeah, yep. Well,
(10:12):
it couldn't go in right away. It had this feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of it is a very very heavy space it is,
and it was right off my bedroom, so you know,
it was like literally a door away from where I slept.
And so, you know, I heard over the ten years
(10:37):
that we lived there, there were many times that I
heard things shuffling around, and there many times that I
heard voices crying babies, you know, I mean there were Yeah,
it was that was just a normal part of you know,
my paranormal world living at the farmhouse. But what did
(11:00):
you experience. Cindy had a very bad experience in the
burning room, and so did Nancy. You know, so I
just avoided it, like the plague. I mean, I just
didn't even open that door. I had.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
One experience I had in there was just in my mind,
not really like a voice, but in my mind I
had get out, just get out of the room.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and it's an overwhelmingly sad space. In the house
for at least it was for me and anytime that
I ever have I've stepped in there a few times
since we moved, and it feels like I immediately step
(11:51):
into a bubble of I'm not everything changed, and I
feel like I can't hear anything, Like I'm like I've
had a fish bowl put over my.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Head and very isolated.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yes, yeah, it's and I don't know, I'm just I'm
not comfortable in that space. I love the whole house,
but I feel an intense sadness in that room.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Out of the three rooms upstairs, there one not the
so there's your room in the middle bedroom, but the
bedroom after that actually feel felt the most comfortable. Yeah,
and the whole upstairs, yes, but we had like we're
(12:47):
getting activity in there too. There were someone had like
a little toy car on one of the dressers and
it just rolled off in front of us and landing
right in the floor. And we tried debunking it, like
we put it back up there. We tried walking around it,
tried shaking the floor and it when it moved. And
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then in the middle bedroom that that closet didn't exist
when you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Not now the room was much larger that wall of
the two closets did not exist.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So I remember Brady and I we went into that
closet and I had not negative, but just had a
strange energy to it. Yeah, like, and I've heard there's
like some sort of portal or something.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's where my sister Cindy heard. Right where you were.
Her bed was up against imagine that those closets being gone,
and her bed was up against that wall, and that's
where she heard the voices. There are seven dead soldiers
buried in the wall. There are seven dead soldiers buried
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in the wall. Right there where those closets are now
is where her bed was, and that's where she heard that.
And that's also where her bed would shake and levitate
and move. And and my parents downstairs in the room
right directly below it, the same thing would happen to them.
(14:33):
They'd wake up in the morning and their whole entire
bed would be lopsided in the middle of the bedroom
like yeah, and the doors would be open, those two
doors in the room that, Yeah, they would be open.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
That takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It does, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It was.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, that was always an issue, and to the point
where my parents finally vacated that room and went and
turned the summer kitchen into their bedroom just to get
away from it because it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Woll it can. It's funny because like this, I can
there certain areas of the house where I can even
mention that there's some rars that felt uncomfortable, some that
felt comfortable. The room we were just talking about that
(15:40):
was your former parents bedroom in the library, right. That
room itself has it's like its own feel to it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It does, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But at the same time, like when investigating there, it didn't.
We had some activity there in that room, but not
as much as I thought there would be. They seem
to be more activity up in the middle bedroom and
where else in the basement.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you how if you had
any you know, recollections of being down in the cellar
and different places in the cellar because the energy is different.
It runs the entire length of the house from the
root cellar at one end all the way to you
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know where the heating equipment is, and the stairs that
go up to the front foyer yep, and has two
sets of stairs and you know whether you're in the
well room or you're in the candle room or or
you're in the root cellar, or you're in the open
spaces of the cellar. It has a lot of different
(17:04):
The temperature can change dramatically down there now, and it's
all the same depth the underground, so ideally you would
think the temperature is always exactly the same. And that's
why the root cellar was down there, because you never
(17:25):
could use it as a year round refrigeration unit. And
yet there'd be times that you could walk through that
cellar and suddenly it went from being comfortable to you
literally shaking because the temperature just plunged right way you're
standing and you know you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The room that's right next to the well room, yeah,
that's usually flakes are always off on it. That room
always creaked me out. And I was brave enough during
one investigation that they're like, oh, Jonathan, just go in there,
(18:10):
be brave, go in and I did. I went in there,
and another friend came along and we actually did like
a voice recording, and we we were asking like different
questions and stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Were you doing EVPs?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We were trying to record EVPs.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I can't remember if we used EVPs or something. I
can't remember exactly what we used, but the spirit that
was in that room didn't like us in there and
wanted us to leave the room. And we're like why
we just there was no answer. But and then in
(18:51):
the well room we did the the flashlight. Yeah, that's
just back off a little bit, and it would we
asked questions and it would actually light up and respond.
And I'm used to seeing that like on TV shows
or whatever, but this experience in person, it's like, yeah,
(19:15):
completely different. And what else. Oh, there was one night
I was investigated there that Cody and Satory were over
and they did their method. Yes, and I think her
(19:37):
name's Abigail.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Abigail Arnold.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, we actually could hear her walking around upstairs while
we're in the living room and she would actually come
down the stairs and communicate with them. And that's one
of the most like amazing experiences as I had.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, she was one I'm not positive, but I do
think that she was the one that would walk through
the house every night, through the upstairs and check on us.
Yeah that you know, as we were all falling off
to sleep, and Cindy was the one that was most
(20:22):
familiar with her and Abigail had a beautiful head of
hair that she wore up. And I only saw one
photograph of her ever, but she she I found her
to be very kind hearted, uh you know, not in
(20:43):
any way mean spirited, so to speak. She was a
very gentle, gracious lady.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
She's the one that this is just so funny. I
had my fancy yes, and she loved it too. She
said she came through, and I think it was her there.
The Methic Cody story is meth that she came through
and the said that I love Jonathan's hat mm hm.
(21:15):
And I was like, oh, well, thank you so much. Yes, yeah,
and uh And besides the farmhouse I've been to with
other people to other investigations, there's a.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Have you been to the paint House once? Okay, I
love that place. I love the paint House and Coventry.
Oh my god, it's it's it's exceptional.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's, oh my god, it's beautiful, actually beautiful. I had
a Watchman head a couple of times. But yep, that
was fun. We went up to like the We're not
all the all the rooms, but one of my favorite
places to go to there was the Attic.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And then the little Enne da Costa was he there?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He wasn't there at that time, but we went with
like Brady and his family.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Oh, okay, good the ball yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And there was some Oh we were playing like I
think it was like hide and seek or something, yeah,
with the spirits, and like we would ask like where
so and so is what room did they go to?
And you would hear the footsteps go to that room
to find them. It was pretty freaky but cool at
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the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And it's a very active house. It's one of
the most active that I've ever been in. No, I
can't help the activity in the farmhouse when I'm there,
because that occurred spontaneously just because I'm there. But when
I've gone to other locations and been able to almost
(23:09):
do a comparative analysis, you know, is this house more
haunted than my childhood home was, or you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I've always had experiences there that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Were somewhat akin to I think that spirits can only
communicate in certain ways, you know, and use water, use electricity,
use Cody and Sidory use I mean there are there
are just certain ways that they can break through, and
(23:47):
they love and are fascinated with our electronics. Well, none
of those things existed when we lived at the farm,
you know, so we had to use our own sensory perception.
I think in all the years we lived there, I
caught one spirit on film one and I just took
(24:08):
a picture of my sister Nancy showing off her her
new leather coat for Christmas and Hi Sam, Sam sare
and and there was this wisp of energy that was
just like it looked like a cloud, a sheared cloud
(24:29):
that was moving right in front of her. And it
was just one of the spirits that was probably admiring
Nancy's new coat too. No, but it didn't appear when
I took the photograph. It appeared in the photograph.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh yeah, so you don't always see with the naked
eye like right down there. Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I was lucky to capture that. It is one
of my favorite pictures from the farm.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But those plays, the farm and the Painthouse around the
same era, Yes, they have that that that wonderful you know,
the feel of the time, Yes, hard to describe it,
but alio times, Yeah, I love it, I love it,
love it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And so.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Twice is past twenty twenty four, Two times I went
to Wilson Castle with Monique too soon.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, and we love like, oh we are loving us
some Monique, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And I'm like, I'll take this two hour drive up. Yeah,
such a nice ride up there. And you get there
and you go, it's a beaut it's a beautiful castle
under renovation. And you walk into these these big doors
and oh it's you got a big four. You got
(26:03):
the like a formal living room, a couple like dining rooms.
It's amazing, and uh, we're gonna start with that one.
Going the main floor has activity and the second floor
(26:24):
does too, but that third floor had like the most activity,
and they haven't like they're leaving it. The third floor
kind of like on a rough side, so they're not
fixing the walls or anything. They're letting it be like that.
And there's a room that they have a confine in it,
(26:48):
and there's a long story to go with that, but
that's the room like we like to go, all of
us go into and like have the like a rim
pod on or the live thing that plays the voices
as they come through and yep yep. And the there's
(27:13):
a bathroom right off the room that has like as
mediums as Psychica. Sam Mcampaneus's last name for trusilusis he.
I could see this. There's an elemental that likes to
hang out in that bathroom, and it has some sort
(27:36):
of thing with like I think Monique like tries to
communicate with Monique a lot. And Monique actually went in
there and she was using different methods to try to
communicate with it, and I'm like, I went and took
a peek in the bathroom a couple of times, and
(27:59):
then then but I was like just outside the door,
and I'm like, Okay, what's going on with I was
like so nervous because it's like it's a it's not human,
it's a elemental. Right, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
You know? And that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But there's a lot of activity in that castle. And
there's also we went to the Emery estate over the summer.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I've not ever been there.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And that that's a it reminds me again of the
farm in the paint House. It has that era of
colonial styling, but it has its own uniqueness to it.
It has one of the rooms has like a staircase
that goes up to a tower. Yes, and you can
see you see out the tower and see Boston. Wow,
(28:53):
it's really cool and that actively there's activity in that hell.
We actually took turns going into one of the bedrooms,
one of the closets that's known to have some likes
to open up, that likes to that you hear different
sounds in it. We had an opportunity to go one
(29:13):
at a time in the closet and like lock ourselves
in it in the dark and just listen and feel.
And I've Curtis Horn, I felt like a little hand
on my shoulder, but I didn't like to react to
it or anything. I just let let everything happen. And
(29:39):
there's also they have like a cedar closet on one
of the bedrooms on the other side that has like
an awful creepy feeling to it I've been to. Besides that,
there's been other places I've been to that I went
(30:01):
to in the Infield House in Connecticut mm hmm, Haunt
infield House. Now, this happened at every state, but also
happened at Enfield House. And my first night there, we
were recording voices and playing them back and one of
the spirits just said, my name you hear Jonathan, come
(30:24):
right up and I'm like, they know me already. I
just I haven't even introduced myself yet, so it's they know.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh yeah, they know who you are. Like, yeah, we
had an incident on an incident with Cody and Satori
at the farm one night where the wrapping just wouldn't stop.
It wouldn't stop. And and you know how polite Satori is,
and she she told them, Okay, I can't, I cannot
(30:57):
talk to you all at once. Choose one and then
let that one give me the message. And I was
just sitting on the sofa, not just waiting to see
what would happen that night. And they tapped out my name,
(31:19):
well an d and story said so this message just
for Andrea.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yes, and then they.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Spelled out four words, we miss your family. I was
blown away. I was blown away. I just sat there
and cried, you know. I mean I felt like saying, oh, yeah,
sure you don't have anybody to torment, you know, but
(31:50):
of course you miss us.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Were we an interesting group of seven people.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yep. I remember watching the.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Show, Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Any Bruni's on it, but they had them Kindred spirits
and yeah and the episode and Chip yeah, yeah, and
your sister there's she had. She got she was uncomfortable,
She had uncomfortable experience.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, she she won't ever ever ever go back. M Yeah,
she had a bad experience during the filming, and she
kept they kept they wouldn't leave her alone, and they kept,
you know, trying to draw her down into the cellar,
and she said no, no, no. You could see if
(32:43):
you go back and you look at that episode, you
can see at one point the camera is on her
and you can see her just like shaking her like
telling them no, like leave me alone, leave me a
stop this, leave me.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
You know, she was trying to be engaged with Chip
and trying to you know, be involved in the conversation
around the table, and she was being harassed.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And and you know, then we went after the shoot,
we went back to the hotel room.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Everything was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
We left early early in the morning to fly back,
and by the time she got home, there was a massive,
like a huge, like softball sized bruise on the back
of her thigh and she had taken a punch in
like the kidney area too.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And she was sick. She was so sick.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
It was like spiritual malfeasance, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Mean they wouldn't take no for an answer.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They wouldn't take no for an answer, and they tormented her,
and she said, that's it. Never ask me again. Please
don't ever ask me again to go back to the farm.
That was the last time I will ever go.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And she said it took her about.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Two weeks to really clear that energy from her body
and she and I won't ever ask her again. I
mean it was as she's not big on getting in
front of the cameras, you know, She's like, no, you
go do that, you know, you go do that, you
(34:30):
know the story, you go tell the story. I would
like to have a normal life. Please, thank you very much.
And you know, but I asked her as a special
favor to be involved with that episode because of Amy
and Adamanship and my close personal friendships with them, and
(34:51):
so you know, I was it was generous of her
because she would had I not asked her to be
a part of that and to go with us to
the Upper Peninsula Michigan paric on.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The previous weekend and then right from you know, right
to Rhode Island to film.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know, she would never have I mean, Cindy has
made a life for herself that she has her guides,
she's surrounded by spirit. It's an absolutely normal part of
her life being a paranormal person. But she won't step
(35:35):
foot back on that property again. It's it's been too
long and hard a journey, not only experiencing it for
ten years, and Cindy, you know, was assaulted several times
in that house. She got picked on. She got picked
on in that house. But then she had to go
(35:59):
through decade of processing that, and then I wrote the books,
and then she was plunged right back into it again
when the movie came out. So I understand her wanting
to escape it and just have a normal life. What
she doesn't understand is that she will never have a
(36:22):
normal life because she's a paranormal person.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It happened.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You can't be untouched, you know. It's the same thing
like have I ever done your Third Eye for you?
Where I open up here? Have I?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yes, we're at the casino. Yes I'm it's still a
working like I haven't mastered or really used it. It's
a work of progress.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
So yeah, yeah, well that's you know.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
The first thing I tell everybody is just be sure
that you're ready, because I can't. I can't undo it.
I can't I can do it. I can't undo it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
And to be very honest, lately, the last I can't
wait the last couple of weeks, just sitting here in
my room, you know, after a long day of work,
I'm tired. I just want to lay down, go on
my computer, watch TV, whatever. And I have been seeing
(37:33):
I'm telling myself, am I going loopy? Because I've been
seeing quick movements out of the corner of my eye
in my room here. All of a sudden, you just
see like a wisp of right by, And I have
the second guess, like, no, am I just tired? Or
am I just is somebody visiting? Yeah, because I have
(37:56):
I have like family and friends that have passed on
that I know must come and visit. Yeah, and they
just show, they're showing themselves. But I'm seeing it more
lately after everything in the world that's been going on too. Yeah,
it was like a like a higher activity going on.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, there is a higher level of activity. And you know,
I was just talking to deb Darus about that this morning,
about how I feel. I'm getting a lot of downloads,
I'm getting a lot of sightings, I'm getting a lot
of the same thing with the you know, just like
that fasted and you can see movement peripherally or or whatever.
(38:40):
I'm feeling very much not alone. Is what is the
best way to put it? You know, because I don't know.
I don't know who or what it is. I just
know that it is.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm begetting all of a sudden, I just will be
sating here and now I'm thinking, I'm thinking, oh, is it?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Tonightis? Also I'll just get like this ring all of
a sudden for a recently, like something's going, like something's coming.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Like yeah, and it's quick. It's different.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Sometimes it'll be a low vibration. Sometimes it'll be very
high pitched yep, and you know, and I don't know.
I've had my ears checked over and over and over again.
I do not have Tonightis I'm having contact? You are
having contact. And I think that most people who go
(39:43):
to an e n T to find out why their
ears are ringing and get a prescription that doesn't work
is because they don't have tonightis either they're being contacted.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
And then they're wasting money on the medication.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, and it'll take longer than I will be alive
for humanity to understand that we are in constant contact,
constant connection. You know, we're all tapped into the same
(40:24):
greater consciousness and there's where a lot of that, you know.
That's why telepathy is what it is. Like why all
of a sudden, I'll think of you and then get
a text message from you within two minutes because you
heard me think about you, or I heard you thinking
(40:48):
about me, and then comes the message.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You see, So like I heard about I heard in
my head tonight, and now you were a text texting
me this, or you think, but I heard your voice
in my head say, don't be nervous. I love you,
don't be nervous. But we weren't on the phone or
like this, we weren't. I just heard it in my head. Yeah.
(41:16):
And speaking of the ets, I remember texting you this
when it was happening. It was like a year or
two ago. This happened here at home. I was on
the porch and just looking up at the sky. It
was I came remember it was summer or winter, but
(41:38):
it doesn't make a difference. And I was looking up
at the sky and behind the tree line, I thought
that there's a star or an airplane coming and it wasn't.
It was like a little as a white light and
it came out from like behind the tree line. And
(42:00):
this happened like like a few nights, right in the
room the same time. The light came out. As soon
as it recognized that I saw it, it would go
it would hide behind the tree. Yeah, And I'm like,
that's got to be them, And they noticed that I
noticed them, Yeah, And I'm like, you don't need to hide,
(42:22):
you can. I saw you, you can come out.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I've told them to stop and go in another direction
because they were getting too close to the airport and
I didn't want them to get spotted. And they follow
my directions and go down behind the tree line. Every
time a plane goes over, they hide behind the the
(42:47):
headgerow and then come back out.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Yes the plane is passed.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
And I don't live I don't live that far from
the Worcester Airport and you'll see planes coming all the time.
So it's pretty much the same thing, like just don't
get caught.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I know you're here, I know you're watching me. I
am now watching you. Go hide behind the trees and
don't get caught.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yes, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And like like recent events like that, that what's happened
for with you lately? Have you? I can't have you
seen your Has your mother been around the visit?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And yes, yes she has. And it's part of the
reason why excuse me that, you know, I feel I'm
not going to say that I feel confident that I
will survive, but I do feel confident that she's doing
(44:01):
everything in her power to help me to survive. And
I had a thing happened a few weeks ago. Every
now and then I'll fall out of that surreal feeling
of oh my god, she's gone. Oh my god, how
(44:22):
can she not still be here? How can she be gone?
You know, and it'll just hit me like she just
passed all over again. And I cry every day. I
mean I cry every day over something I do. I'm
just a crier. I'm a cry baby. My friend Zucy says,
But that dad was sitting right out here on the
(44:45):
back deck and I just started talking to her and
I said, I just I miss you so much. I
can't even believe that you're gone. And right behind me,
(45:05):
over my shoulder, there's a set of wind chimes that
has her name on them, and with the saying about
you know, through the strongest storm of the softest breeze.
Listen to the wind and think of me. And the
wind was there was no wind. It was absolutely still outside.
(45:30):
And all of a sudden, those wind chimes went nuts
that just like crash crash, I mean like like somebody
was holding the thing that hangs at the bottom, just
moving it back and forth like and I you know,
and I went from sobbing to laughing because I knew
(45:55):
it was her.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
She knew, I knew, and those were That.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Was the first gift.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
That we received after she passed, was those wind chimes.
And I was like, okay, Mom, all right, so you
know it is obvious to me. I mean it was
no wind. The air was completely still, and they were
ringing like the bells of Saint Mary. And I knew
(46:24):
it was her. And as soon as I acknowledged that
it was her, when I was done sobbing and gasping
for air and then laughing, it stopped. And that was it.
She's like, I'm right here, I'm right here, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
So yeah it works, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It is, it really is, And and I know that
I'll be with her again, and I know that she
forgives anything I ever did in my life ever to
you know, disappoint her or her feelings or you know.
(47:07):
I'm sure you know all kids do that to their parents,
whether they know it or not.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
My mother and I of course love each other very much,
but really.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
You couldn't possibly be different than you are, more different
than you are, You couldn't possibly be more different.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
I know your mother, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I know.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Well, you know it was.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
The last six months with mom were pretty hard, and
she would get very frustrated, and she would sometimes because
she knew she was slipping away. She knew that my
mother was brilliant, brilliant woman, extremely well read, you know,
(48:06):
just she felt she got very frustrated and upset when
she felt her intellect slipping away. Yes, that's what because
to her, that was her essence that was leaving. It.
(48:26):
Could have didn't love to do anymore, right, Yeah, It
wasn't really even so much about her physical form. It
was when she started to lose her memory, she and
her intellect.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
She began to h really really resent that she was
stuck here.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So, oh my god, how did that hour go?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I think you're wrong, honey, Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Really? Okay? So anyway, yeah, it's I feel like we're
gonna have to talk over the weekend, honey, because I
don't think we had enough time to catch up. But yeah,
she's around, and yes, I know. Just enjoy every moment
with your mom, honey, because you're not going to have
(49:22):
her forever, and yet you are going to have her forever,
So make sure that everything is peaceful. Make sure that
everything is peaceful, because we're living in a day and age,
in a time where it's it's a rare commodity to
(49:43):
find peace and tranquility with people that you disagree with
in myriad ways. You know, it's it's difficult. It's difficult,
and she's stubborn and my mom was stubborn too, so
I get it.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
I absolutely understand it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
In the world to like, you can't see anything on
social media about somebody snapping at you.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
It's like, yeah, oh no, I avoid it like the
black plague of Europe. Yeah, it's really toxic and I
don't want to be in that environment. And I'm frankly,
as you well know, I'm not allowing anybody or anything
energy into my world that has any kind of negativity
associated with it, even associated with it. Right, it is
(50:33):
not a self loving act to jump into a toxic
pool and swim around with toxic people.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
It's just not you know. I mean, I think you can.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Love everybody, but some people you have to kind of
love at a safe distance. You know.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
I know there's people that I'm very cordial with them. Yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, and it's and that's okay because you know, ultimately
none of us are here for everyone. You know, we
have we kind of have to go through life and
find our tribe people that you know paths, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Well you're you know, you're part of my tribe, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean I I sent you a time to circle
the wagons, Jonathan, time to circle the wagons. You build
the fire in the middle, we'll circle the wagons, you know, yes,
And you are part of my heart, part of my family,
part of my tribe, My dear, dear sweet Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And when I met you, you felt like another sister,
Like thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's that's a high compliment. So all right, so I
guess Bill's going to throw us off the acause to run.
But you know, I just I want you to know
that I love you. I will see you at you
(52:16):
and and we'll make some more supernatural shenanigans. Together, there's
no question in my mind. And I want to thank
everybody that joined us tonight on the World Awakening. We
know there are a.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Billion other things for you to watch, and you came
to be with us, and so that matters to both
of us, and from our hearts and with eyes wide open,
look up, stare at the sky, be the beacon of light,
(52:51):
and be the light that you seek.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thank you all for joining us tonight. I love you too, sweetheart.
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