Final Destination 5 (2011) | Episode #159 - Abyss Gazing: A Horror Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Don't be alarmed, don't adjust your sound.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
This is not Josh, but I did bring somebody out
of the Moth Boss.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Mark got huh exactly out of the Moth Boss.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
He doesn't even know I'm triggering him.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm your co host, Mark Billy.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And today we're gonna be doing Final Destination by but
first we're gonna cover another horrific Hope move the Only Ones,
And we had the director and writer Jordan Millen.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Hey, how's it going guys?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thanks for having me, Thank you for showing up here.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
You're gonna this movie is going to be part of
our Love Letters block with Lace Monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
And can you tell us a little bit about the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah, So the movie is a it's it's a lot
of genre blending going on. It's a very character driven
kind of meta slasher. Meta slasher wasn't a word that
was kind of tossed around when I started making this movie,
but now it's a term that's kind of getting tossed around.
Uh So I think I'm just gonna like embrace it
because it kind of is what the movie is. It's
a meta slasher about a group of people who go

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out to a weekend in a very you know, slasher
familiar scenario. Uh, they are cut off from everybody and they.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Sort of create a scenario.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
That snowballs into what I like to call a comedy
of terrors, and it's a it's a lot of drama,
it's a lot of very dark humor. There's a lot
of interesting kills, and it's just it's something you got.
It's got to seize because I don't really want to
give everything away because it's really it's something that's better
just going in cold.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So what all I know? Watching it, it seemed like
you had a few inspirations for this.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Movie, certainly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
What all? What all did you use for that kind
of inspiration?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
There's kind of one inspiration. There's a lot of inspirations,
and if you watch the movie, there's a lot of
even small nods to the things I love throughout. So
there's a lot of inspirations being worn on my sleeve,
I think in this movie. But I think the one
that it kind of reigns supreme is burned after reading,
which is a Coen Brothers film, which is kind of
a comedy of errors spy film in which.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
There's no actual higher intelligence involved, but the characters put
more weight on the scenarios that they think that they're
in and end up putting themselves in scenarios they're just
as dangerous as the ones they imagined. So that's kind.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Of the notes that I wanted to hit with the
only ones. So it's it's kind of a horror movie
love letter with a burn after reading Approach.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
So I watched the movie and I kind of relate
to some of the characters. Are what how did you
develop some of those characters as far as did you
have inspiration from people around that you knew or.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Just yeah, that's the only way I know how to
write characters. Really.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
I mean, there's this is a very personal movie to me,
so like there's a there's huge amounts of every character
that are just myself. Honestly, it's just a fractured group
of my own bits of personality.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
There's a character who's a podcaster, which I am as well,
and and he's got a smart mouth on him and
it gets them into trouble sometimes and he's not necessarily
always a likable character, but he's a great way for
me to sort of poke fun at myself and have
a little fun with that character. There's characters who are,
you know, obsessed with that for reasons that they can't

(04:01):
quite explain. And I've always gravitated towards morbid things, which
I think a lot of horror fans can understand. It's
something that I've certainly I've always navigated with my own existence.
You know, there's characters who struggle with their own personal
emotional baggage that they overcome in the arc of the movies.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
That are them some stuff that I take straight from
my personal life.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
So a lot of them are really just my own
experiences and some experiences of some people who are very
close to me. And I very much believe what Stephen
King says about writing, which is the best writers or
people with just the best memories, and you just pull
from all the stuff you know.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
People say, right what you know?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
And I think that doesn't just mean like large scale
scenarios and.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Jobs and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
It's the things that you've done and the experiences and
the feelings you've felt, and that stuff is what makes
it to the script.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you say you based some of the some of
the story on life experience. Yes, and it's a slasher, and.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's a slash except for the part where they.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Got that part I've yet I only have to imagine,
you know, and that that's the fun part, you know,
then you just put them into because the thing is,
it's the movie where you have to find some really
interesting reasons for people to die. And there's a lot
of ways you could do that, and the way I
kind of chose to do that is to dive deeper

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into characters.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
So I think that the more as people die, you
kind of learn.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
More about their relationships too, and like things sort of
reveal themselves. So yeah, that's what I kind of mean
by Comedy of Terrors, where it's like it's it's it's
scenario driven stuff that hopefully you don't see coming. It's
a lot of twists and turns.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I know that you're based out of Maryland, and I
love how this is shot of where the area and
everything is. Are there new like landmarks and things that
you used on this that people might recognize.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Maybe but hopefully not. I would.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
We kind of did a real big mixed bag of
the environments to kind of feel like we knew it
was somewhere set on the East Coast in general, and
probably in our area of either Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania, something
in that area, but we didn't want to get too
specific with it. So there are aerial shots we've done
in North Carolina that are in this movie.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
There are a lot of it shot in West Virginia.
Actually there's a lot of it shot in Maryland.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
So it is kind of nebulous as to where it is,
so hopefully not really, except for maybe if you're Frederick based,
you might remember the Pinball Arcade that we shot it,
which has now moved, so we've immortalized that location, so
it's only if you remember.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, I mean, the movie is very relatable, especially with
the characters and everything, because even not being familiar with
that area, a lot of the scenes, I was relating
it to things from my childhood.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So so that was great.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
So let's see, I wish this thing wasn't didn't have
to be so spoiler free.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
So I just ask you what you're doing, like, what
it is?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Like, what the thing is you're talking about? Is can
you say without a being spoiler?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Probably not it's not really a spoiler because all right, well,
I mean it's it's secluded, not that's as a spoiler.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, it secluded.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So that part is what related to me because I
had family that used to have a place down in Carolina.
So what we would do is on the weekends, a
couple of people had places and we would do like
bonfire sorr family get togethers down there.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, and uh, I mean cell.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Phones weren't big at the time because I was nineties,
I was eighties nineties, so but even then, as two
thousands or whatever, the cell phones weren't have a good
connection or anything. So relating to all of that being
isolated and everything, uh, is what I was able to
relate to.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
There's kind of an annoying thing about writing horror films
that take place in the modern area. You're just writing
around the fact that cell phones of modern technology exists
at all. So you know, that was a hurdle we
had to overcome early in the script, is like why
doesn't why don't the cell phones work?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Right?

Speaker 5 (08:19):
And that was based off a movie that I worked
a crew on years ago that played it. It was
in a place called Syria, Virginia in the middle of nowhere,
and all the producers told us early on, They're like,
you're gonna get forty five minutes from this location and
all cell service is going to drop off for the
reasons that are exactly stated in my movie that that
old timers lived there and never sold their land to

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cell phone companies to build towers, so there was no signal,
so you just had to plan your maps ahead of
time and get to the location. And then we were
living on location together so it didn't matter. But yeah,
that was that was based on a real thing. So
I'm always you have to look out for again, you know,
reality making in the scripts.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah exactly, And like I said, it was just super
relatable to that, just you know, living through that and
being able to go out and like mountains and yeah,
different places.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
So it was kind of a sweet spot in time,
you know, like there was like there was technology, but
it wasn't so overwhelming that right that it was always
with us and on us and keeping our attention at
all times. Yeah, that was a special special.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Time, Yes, yeah, it was so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So for your movie, like I said, it's going to
be part of our love Letters block and it's gonna
be paired with Lace Monsters.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's gonna be on.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Horrific Hope Friday, August fifteenth, that weekend.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And are you going to be there for that.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
I'm gonna be there, Yes, I think some of our
cast and crew is going to be there as well.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Okay, no problem, So you'll everybody will be able to
get tickets in the show notes below, and we're gonna
go to commercial and come back and we'll talk about
Final Destination five.

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Speaker 2 (11:40):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
We're talking about final destidation five, where we bring up
all the horrors of bridges, especially if you're like me,
live in Hampton Roads and there's nothing but bridges around you,
so you have.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
To really long bridges too. Like that's to say they're
ones that go underwater and then come back up.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, there's we got the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, which
are they've been working on for a little while and
they're trying to expand that. It's the shorter of the two.
And then you got the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, which
I think is seventeen miles over water with two tunnels,
and that's the one that connects, uh, the Virginia Beach

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area to the eastern Shore. We also have the Downtown Tunnel,
which is the Norfolk Tunnel, and then the Midtown Tunnel.
The other bridge we have is a high rise bridge
which they just redid, and then you have a Gilmerton Bridge,
which is a metal bridge. So there's nothing but bridges
down here to get to get out of this area
when there's hurricanes or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
One you got to.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Travel across the bridge, and two if it's if you
waited too late, you're stuck.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
So Final Dees Station five hit home for you too.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Kind of kind of ridge.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, we don't have the type of bridge that's in
the movie itself, but the fact that with the fact
of the bridge breaking the way it did and the
construction and us going through construction zones right now with
the bridges.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's always a fear of a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Like my mom has to drive through the tunnel every
day to go to work, and she hates driving through
that tunnel, especially after movies that's shown the tunnels leaking intoie.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So she's they, oh, it gets bad.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Like first thing in the morning. It could be eight, nine,
ten miles back up. Sometimes it could be less. It
just one it's a timing thing, and one is if
they're working on it or somebody doesn't know how to
drive and there's an accident. But you another thing that
affects our traffic here is military. If there's a bunch

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of ships out, the traffic's lighter.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
If a bunch of ships are in, it's more congested.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
I was just talking.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
There was a gaffer who just worked on a movie
with us down in your area, and he was saying,
a friend of his is the guy who fixes the leaks.
There's like so there's the tunnel and then there's like
a space on the outside of the tunnel that you
can only walk to. So if there's like a leak
like a mile in, you got to like walk a
mile through this tunnel. In like the dark basically to

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get there and then fix this leak between like you're
just between.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
This all this water and the bridge. It's a crazy job.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I could drive the tunnel, but I couldn't do that.
So the drive of the tunnel is only a couple
of minutes, sometimes a little bit longer if you're stuck
in the traffic, but having to walk in that, yeah,
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
There's definitely a horror movie in there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
And I mean in this movie address other things, other
horrors too, like the fact that something I've always questioned is,
like the gymnastics thing, how did not many people get
as hurt as what they like this one showed.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
You've seen people hurt twister.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ankle and everything, but not to the extreme that happened
in this movie.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
So can I want to speak to that one because
my partner is actually an ex gymnast and she did
gymnast gymnastics forever and and she watched that scene with
me and was kind of laughing.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I was like, what's what's so funny?

Speaker 5 (15:12):
You know, I don't know, and she's just like, oh,
the gymnastics are like super basic, like it's like all
like one on one level stuff apparently. Uh so it's
like it's and the one thing she brought up is
there's absolutely no reason that she should have like held
onto the bars and like propelled herself off at the
end to die, Like.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Why didn't you just like let go?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean and not do that.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
You know, and people that do, people that are familiar
and do this stuff can pick that stuff out where
I've done that with some of the other deaths that
they had in the other movies.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But I couldn't pick that one out.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
But just I did pick out that the uh the
rubber band thing. I know that something with the gymnast
that it's like psychological to where it's not with them
or yeah, that one. Yeah, I even googled it to check.
Some of it's just a pregame. Some of it's like
a superstition to them about going through and popping before

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they go out.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I couldn't help but laugh at the gymnast scene, just
because I'm not a gymnast and I was still sitting
there like, wow, that's that special.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
What I do love about that scene though, is that's
that's the best job this movie does of like setting
up like five things that are could go wrong, and
you're like, what's it going to be? Is it the screw,
is it the the beaten that's about to break? Is
it this other thing that's going on? So I love
like those moments and these final destination movies. Uh, it

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is a silly kind of that special kill, though very avoidable.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I didn't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean, I've said this before about the movies.
I love the fact that they give you several options
and you're sitting there because I'm an overthinker, so I'm
sitting there figuring, Okay, which one are they gonna go with?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And the fact that they kind of went with two
or three at the same time on this one was
crazy because it took her stepping on the screw, she
knocked over the.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
What is it the dust?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
The fan and the dust and that was someone else
who wasn't even our girls, right.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
And yeah, and then it went over the dust blew
in her face and she just flipped and she decided
that she was gonna go in half.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
So she's just decided to flip herself to safety. And
it didn't look out.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, I got admit, this is not one of my
favorite final destination movies.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I gotta stand for five. So so this is one
of my favorites. Either it's Josh's favorite and he's not here.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
This is Josh's favorite and he's Oh thank god this
is a paycheck film clearly.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, I know I was. I was happy that they
brought him back at you.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I've mentioned in the past couple of movies that I
didn't care if it was one scene.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I felt just having him in for one scene he
was missed.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
He is missed, and I don't know if they ever
like fully dive into his ex his like what his
relationship with it is anymore than what they do in
this movie where he kind of has that dialogue where
he says, death does what it does and I clean
up after it, which is still extremely vague.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah, but like, I don't know, did they ever get
to explain that more, like why why does he know
all this stuff and he's like always around?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I thought he talked about that in the first one,
probably did as well.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I know he mentioned in this one that he's he
gets to see a lot. I don't know the exact
wordings that. Don't quote me, but he made a point
to make it of he sees a lot of death
come through his door or through his table or whatever.
He observed, right, So he said he observes, is what
he said. Okay, and he can and that's all he
does is observe, and that's how he that's why he said.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
What he goes fish with death on weekends sometimes.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, they have a beer on the front floor.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Did anybody else kind of feel like this was almost
on par with old eighties movies?

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, in the way that like, I feel like the
first couple of Final Destination movies had more like, well,
you know, my movie, I'm into character stuff. The first
two movie had a lot more character work, and like,
by this movie, it's just like silly characters that you
just kind of can't wait to die. Uh, And it
becomes like just connect the dots a little bit. Some

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of those dots are pretty fun when they're connected.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
But I don't know if the whole pictures oh that great,
you know what. I'm kind of like, maybe people are
gonna hate me for this.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'm like kind of a big first bier for the
Final Destination movies. I love the first act when the
big thing happens, and then always the movies kind of
like peter out for me after those big scenes, you know,
like Final Fascination too, and then log Truck is like legendary, right,
And I don't know if anything and any Final Destination

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movie will ever peak for me.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
The whole sequence of the car accidents scene.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I mean they even used the lumber truck scene that
had motion for this for the newest one for Bloodlines.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
And in this one in Finalization five, there's a whole
sequence where they're driving and a log truck pulls up
next to them. Yeah, it's that, it's the villain from
the second movie. It's the log truck.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah. But in for advertising for Bloodlines, they actually had
logging trucks running around with Destination on the back of them.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Dude, how hard would they get sued if like one
of those logging trucks had like an issue and like
broke off and killed a bunch of people, or would
it be like those are all actors, they all died,
they get paid to die.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I forget where I've seen it, but there was not
from that, But there was recently a log truck that
it did snap and went into a car, and I
mean all the all the responses and comments were like, see,
that's why we don't do this. All the Gen xers
and all the early nineties aren't going to get behind
a log truck if we're not dumb enough.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Because we've seen the movie.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
So I think like two was the most relatable, big
depth sequence. So we've all been on the road, and
we've all been next to trucks like that, and we've
all like been in scenarios like that.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Airplanes, you know, you kind of enter that agreement. You're like, Okay,
I'm going up in the sky.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Maybe I come it down, you know, roller coasters like
kind of you know, I don't know that. That was
a crazy one too. This one, what was why am
I not? Why am I blanking? On the big one
from this one, I'm just thinking about the log truck now.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It was the bridge on this the bridge.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Of course, the bridge was scary too, because that's again,
I think something everybody has experienced and everyone has those
thoughts in the back of their head when they're driving
on the bridge. A little bit, but like what's the
Richard gearfilm Mockmann prophecies had like a really great bridge
sequence that I still think it didn't They didn't really

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top that for me either.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
That's I think that's one of the as dumb as
it sounds, that's Deans in a movie. It's Mothmann prophecies.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's great with.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
U that Richard gear.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Laura, Laura, Lenny and Will Patten's in that film. I
actually think it's a really good movie.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
But I.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Did too.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I did too, And the bridge scene hits really hard,
and I think, you know, it's it's a relatable scary
thing for everybody, but for me, the scariest thing is
the whipping like suspension cables. Yeah, that's that's how I
don't want to die, even though I guess it's so
instant you probably don't feel a thing, but it just

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seems so brutal.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Means, the one type of bridge we don't have here
is suspension, so I'm safe from that.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah, but you're just kind of worse though, Like you
have the scenario to be underground when the Boyd Bridge
collapses and to drown amongst like rubble and concrete and
cars like that sounds way scarier to me than the
other thing.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
What were you going to say? Mark.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh yeah, the cables cutting people in half. They got
to see their ass flying by their head before they died.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's all like the lead up. It's like in mockbat prophecies.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
There's like a little subplot of like a young Maria
gonna be getting married couple and one of them is
like on the bridge while the other one's trying on
wedding dresses and he gets like whacked with like the cable,
and it's a great sequence. It always just hit hard,
and I was like, oh man, it's great, scary, scary
natural disaster sequence.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, see, I know one of Josh isn't here, so
I'll say it. I know.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
One of his complaints in the Past Couple movie is
the characters were random for the most part. I mean,
they did try to bring it back with the roller coaster.
One of they were from the same school and everything.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think it kind of worked that they were.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know, these were all the same office. They worked together,
kind of like a work life where you could see
why they were together, but at the same time they
still had their own separate stories and everything.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
So I wrote some bad picture in my brain while
I was watching this movie in which this was just
a Halloween episode of dunder Mifflin of the Office, because
there they're a paper company, I'm pretty certain in this movie. Uh,
and they're in a work bus, much like an episode
of the Office, you know, work bus and go out there.
I'm like, oh, man, this would just be better if

(24:45):
it was just the entire cast of the Office.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I just figured he had gotten done working at Shenanigans
and waiting and moved up in the world.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Yeah. Now he just power trips on like twenty somethings.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah, definitely, so it seemed like the valid path for
him to move.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, he was kind of a random he showed up.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
I'm like, oh, okay, all right, we go that direction
because he's not a whole He's not like Crampis. He's
in Crampis, but Crampis is a very like tongue in
cheek comp comedic tone too.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Crampis was done by the same guy who did Trigger
Treat and I can't remember his name now.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah he did, Uh got to The King of Monsters
as well. Geez, what is his name? I actually quite
like his movies.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
There's been rumors that he's making a second Trigger Treat
for a while.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, and I'm surprised there hasn't been, because Sam is
like a cultural icon. You see buy all of his shit,
uh Spirit Halloween every year. But there's only one movie.
It's like a pretty pretty good Michael Daugherty that's his name.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
You look confused, Billy, No, I was just listening.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I was gonna say one of the other one of
the other deaths in this one that got me because
I was actually considering this at one point. Is the
eye surgery basic? Yeah, at one point I was just
considering it. My boss uh actually had it and said
it's not that bad. But watching this, I'm like, yeah, no,
I don't know about that.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
There's no way the laser is that powerful in reality, right, Like,
there's no way.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
That was a hilarious part of the movie though, where
the doctor.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
The doctor's outside like I don't know, looking through files
and like her friends like kick open the door and
they're like, ah, what's your name? Might be in danger
and the Doctor's like she's fine. You know, she's just
strapped in the next room underneath a laser beam, Like.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
What could go wrong?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Just in time to hear it, I know.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
What she's adreaming about, and the fact that it wasn't
the laser that killer, It was the fall.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Hilarious. It was like her broke the laser and everything,
and all of a sudden she steps in the little
eye from the bear and falls out the window and
it's a car. But her I got ran over so right.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
It's like always another thing.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
It's like and her eye fell out, and her eye
fell out and got right over by a car.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's like, oh, she's again already, we get.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
It, okay, Like they showed her at the beginning of
the movie, and the first thing out of my mouth
was she's dying quickly. She was one of the first couple.
But nobody's what. In all honesty, I don't think anybody's
watching Final Destination at this point for the characters. No,
it's the same reason why you watch Saul.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
I actually, yeah, I actually that's the comparison that I
make in my brain is that they're very different natured
beasts of the same kind of species.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
We're like Saw doesn't like having fun.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
They're just like grossing you out and like and and
making this extreme thing happen, and you kind of connect
those dots where this one is like it's much more
a popcorn flick much more of like a let's go
have fun, but yes, it's gonna be very bloody.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean it's it's kind of like argument that it's
training men and let the bodies hit the floor. Are
accounts from different perspectives of the same.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Event, were not all men?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, I mean it's the same idea.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
You they didn't say that those bodies weren't absolutely jacked
and oiled, you know, to oblivion.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
They didn't say they didn't. That's not exclusive.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's the same thing here. You've got the campy and
death scenes of final destination versus the like serious and
horror and gore of So it's the same kinds of idea.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I'm here for it. I'm here to guess which death
they're going to pick too.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
I know acupuncture death ranked up there for me.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, because it's that.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
It's like, there's a thing I always think about in movies,
mostly older movies, but this would happen a lot where
a character would get stabbed or something and they would
fall forward, and I would always think about this in movies.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
I'm like, are they just the whole night? It's just
rammed up inside their.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Whole body and he's got like forty acupunction needles in
them and falls forward and you get to like really
see the repercussions of that, which I think was great.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I mean that you didn't have one for karma. That
was karma.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I'm not That scene was funny because they had a
show on Spike TV some years ago called A Thousand
Ways to Die and they actually had an episode where
somebody had died during acupuncture where they reached for their
phone and rolled and fell and the needles punctured like
major organs and stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
That's freaking insane.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I mean the note on here I put was
leave the phone, Just leave the phone. You're out, leave
the phone. So yeah, I mean it's crazy.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Uh yeah, I have a needles That needles freaked me out,
so like that that one got me pretty good.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah. I'm not a fan of needles either. And I
always used to get picked on because I I had
industrials in both ears and I'd go and get like
a shot or have bood drawn for something like why
are you scared of needles when you have those big
piercings Like one was voluntary, one is not.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
See I used to be deathly afraid of needles. But
now I gotta take shots so for diabetes. So I'm like,
I gotta give myself a shot every day, twice a day.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So I'm like used to it by now.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
If we're going back to like this Saw comparison, Yeah,
there's that epic needle sequence and Saw two that I
think still rain sagreement is one of the cringiest scenes
to watch ever, just as far as just making my
skin crawl, just that bat of needles is just absolutely thearrify.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, last year, Josh and I were at a convention.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
That of what we did was it was a Saw
giveaway and a picture we had and we ranked the
solved kills that we liked, and that was one of
them that we had listed. So yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Do you remember what one what was the best Saw kill?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
It was just between me and him, just picking as
five and I liked the the freezer one. I've got
to remember what it was because it was last year.
But I had I'll be honest, before that convention, I
had never seen Saw. So I've binge watched all the
Saws in a week or two.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Oh wow.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
So that's an interesting experience because you know you hadn't
seen any of them.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Right, No, I hadn't seen any of them until that time.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
The first one is so freaking good.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, And you can see as they progressed. I'm like,
all right, I can see if they're spaced out, but
you know, I was watching them all together. I'm like, Okay,
I'm losing track. I gotta take a break and.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Come back using because there's like two or three of
them that are happening like at the same time, and
it's very confusing, and honestly, what's you know, who Jigsaw is?
The whole thing becomes a little bit less interesting, Like
the first movie is so great because you just have
no idea what the.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Fuck is going on?

Speaker 5 (31:56):
And yeah, again, like a moment that will never get
topped in that branch is Jig Sauce standing up in
that room at the end of the first movie. For
viewers who had no idea what they were getting into
and just seeing it for the first time, that's just
a epic moment.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
And see, going back to this one, one of the
things I loved that they did was the argument we've
had past couple of movies was how at the beginning
they would use liquid or wind or things like that,
and it wasn't so obvious that they were doing it,
where some of them, like the race car scene when
they're yeah, they obviously knock over the oil can and everything,

(32:33):
and I'm like, I get gust the winds, but that
wasn't just a gust of wind, whereas this one on
the bridge and everything, it was believable of I've had
that much wind on a bridge. Oh definitely feel almost
pushing off if you've driven over a bridge, you know.
So that was more relatable and understandable to where it

(32:53):
was more believable. And the fact that they brought those
subtle things back in on this one, even using the
lights uh to show Okay, this death is over and
we're moving on to the next one, or or the
fact that they uh encompassed a new theory that they
hadn't hadn't brought in yet you realize.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
That, right what was the new one?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
The new theory was you your death with somebody else.
But the catch is the person you're dying, you're taking
over their lives. You never know how long they had
to live. And it proves that in this movie, even
though that they survived and survived their own death time frame,
they took over other people's lives that it wasn't that

(33:37):
much longer.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Sure, sure, so that's right. You know.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
I wasn't sure at the first time if that was
actually the case, or if because or if they just
put themselves back in death door.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
But I think you are right.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
They specifically said it in this one. This is the
first one that they did that. The other ones, what
they did was they just delayed it, like Okay, well
I saved you for now, but you're you're gonna get
it later, Like.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah, that's right, you get like put back at the
end of the.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Line, right, yeah, exactly right, right, And I what, so
where we can spoil the end of this movie?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Right?

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I was. I was getting ready to anyway.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Okay, okay, good because that was like I was kind
of I was waiting on this film to be honest
with you by the by the third act. But then
they brought it back to putting them on the plane
at the end, and I was like, okay, bringing it
back to the first movie.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
It's kind of a good move, kind of a good move.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And see, I'll be honest that I've I know, I've
seen the movie. I remember parts of it, but at
the time it wasn't rememberable.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So I watched it this week. I'm like, Okay, I
remember parts of this, I don't remember all of it.
And I'm the one on the.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Podcast that always watches the movie two or three times
because I want to.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Try to catch everything.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
And the fact of the first free watch earlier this
week I didn't catch it, but the second one and
third one I realized because I had seen the ending,
but I realized how many times they brought up Paris
whole movie.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, because of his job, because.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
She wanted him to go. He needed to get away.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
He was going, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So the fact that it was Paris, and I like
how they kind of tied them in at the end
because at the first movie, I didn't go back and
rewatch it this time, but we watched it earlier.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
It did have the side that opened. It didn't really
focus on the.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Two people that were like at the opening, but this
one picked up there. The two people at the opening
were the two characters from this movie.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
Mm.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Okay, that's that's play. Nice catches on the second one.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
So here's my question, as the man who's watched the
two at three times. Yeah, we've got our character who
at the very very end finds out that he's traded
live to somebody who's got a brain.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Hemorrhage, is about to kill him anyway.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Then he gets squashed by playing that one's explained. So
the other two guys, maybe their lives were just destined
to end on this plane anyway, or who did who
did they trade lives with that got them to die
on this plane in this way?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
So so I was confused on that a little bit
because when Molly was supposed to survive or was she
because Molly he remembers she survived, but he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
My point was he died, he got killed. Yeah, so
how do you know that she wasn't gonna die right after?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
But uh, the trade off was if you remember, was
it Peter Peter killed the detective, Stam killed Peter, who
took the detective's life.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So apparently the detective was supposed to die.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
It didn't say where he was supposed to die, so
it could have been that he was supposed to go
on a plane or something. We're guessing at this point
just that he only had that amount of time left.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Okay, that's tied up pretty nicely. So, okay, how many
of these movies are there now? The new one is
is That Sick?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Okay, and I have not watched it. Being upfront, I
was waiting so I can watch it after this one.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was also I kept thinking this, but the I
just thought Superman recently, and I just kept thinking the
lead actor in this movie had like a bargain beIN
corn sweat kind of vibe going on a little bit.
Not in a bad way, it just sort of in
a way.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I mean, and some of the people in this movie,
it's kind of like faces that I was like, they
looked familiar. I remember them when I started I AMDB,
and some of them, I'm like, okay, I recognize you
from this show.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
You were in there one time or two times. One
of them's on the full Uh what was it?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Nathan Nathan would the one that plays Nathan is the
one that's on Found. He's like, that's his new show
that he's on. He's he's the one that's a shut
in in his own house. So I recognized him from
that because that's a newer show that's he's been on
like every season so far.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
But some of the other ones.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I didn't recognize any of them from anything I did, because, well, no,
I can't say that completely because of the the dude
from Waiting.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
There was one of them that was on Walking Dead.
I think that was the one that was Molly. I
think she was on Walking Dead a couple of episodes.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, I definitely recognized she was one of the sisters
from the.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
First Yeah, for the first season. That's how long ago
it was.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
So it was like I recognized the face and I
saw that and I'm like, okay, yeah, that's where I
know her from.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
She's also in a really good uh I haven't seen
it in a while, so I don't want to say
really good. But she's in a movie called Frozen. Adam Green,
the guy did the Hatchet movies. He did a movie
about some people who are caught on like.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
A what do they call it, like a ski lift. Yeah,
she's one of the leads of bat film.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah. The whole movie takes place on a ski lift.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Yeah, like wolves Underneath and ships. It's it's pretty good.
It's good, like thriller kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, And I knew the one that played Olivia.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I believe she was in Arrow for like one episode
or two that's where I'd recognize her.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay, So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
These the faces, I recognize some of them from like
the little parts they've played in other one because I
watched n CIS like all of them and one of them,
each one of them, like each one of the n
C I s is. So I'm like, that's crazy, just
to the little parts that they picked, and they brought
all these people together on this one.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Yeah, it's a lot of like I'm looking at through
this now too, Like they've all had like lead roles
and a lot of movies I'm like aware of, but
I haven't really seen except for you know, David Coaching
or whatever you say. Of these obviously probably the biggest
name they had in there, honestly besides Todd, but I
guess to the non horror fan time with probably ranked

(39:57):
beneath them.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I'm he's pretty good. Everybody knows him. Just this candy
man so PJ Byrne.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm looking through the list.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
That was the guy I was like, I know this
man from like a lot of comedy things, the guy
who got the acupuncture death.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he's been in a lot of things.
That was Isaac.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
He's a character actor.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
He's been in like ten thousand things that he's not
been the lead of, but I definitely have seen him before.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it was just a familiar face and that that
was one of the big ones too him, Like I know,
I've seen him in a couple of things. So yeah,
when I went, like I said, I went through IMDb
and pointed out some of them, I'm like, wow, this
is just crazy that they were in all these small
things and that's what I'm recognizing them.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah, I thought it was interesting, like inserting the footage
from the first movie in there.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
It didn't even seem like all that bad.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Like you know, sometimes they'll cut in old footage and
do like a fifth movie or something, and it will
look like really shitty, you know, really just doesn't match
it kind of like didn't look.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
All that bad.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I think.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I did think it was interesting when they tied it
back to the original movie like they did.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
I didn't because it was it's like a prequel. But
I'm like, it didn't feel I guess I have to
rewatch it again now with with that idea and like
look for like technology and things, because I was like
it didn't feel like it took place that long ago
and that move that first movie is when. So yeah,

(41:27):
it didn't look like it took place before the year
two thousand.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
I mean, especially with some of the cell phones that
were using.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I was going to say, I didn't some of those
cell phones. I'm like, yeah, I don't know about it
being the prequel, but that's what they tied it in
to be.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Yeah, I feel like you got to commit to like
the time period or something, because it didn't feel like
it was that time period to me.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
But I get again, I watched it once. I watched
it today. Actually it was fresh in my mind, but
I need to watch it again now because you know,
you get the ending. I just want to know that's
not always like sits with me. It's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, And I mean, like I said, I'm I'm the
one that rewatches all of it. And I had to
watch it the second time to see, uh, which one
was it Nathan that got hit by the wheels from
the airplane. Yeah, yeah, Like at first I didn't catch it.
I just saw that the whole roof collapse. Yeah, and

(42:25):
I'm like, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Believe it I've seen like stories of plane crashes and
everything around here, being around military basis, Like they even
had one years ago at apartment complex.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So yeah, it's believable.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
So the funny thing is that was a melody a
naval jet to crash and they meddle of an apartment complex.
And if I remember right, it happened while I was
living at the complex across the street.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I was at ODU the day happened, and everybody was
talking about it because I was still working for the
company I was with. I was there with our boss,
and all of a sudden, everybody started come and talk
to us. We stopped everything we were doing just to
go see what they were like, to look up online
or to pull up the video to see what was
going on, because it was like a huge thing.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
It was a full jet that crashed into residential areas.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, into the middle of an apartment complex. Wow, it
took out like half the complex or.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Holy fuck.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, crazy, And I was living directly across the street.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
That's insane.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Well, when when I was working crew on that movie
down there, that was like, honestly the biggest bummer of
everything is like for sound department, every so often these
test jets and stuff, they were just flatting off all
the time.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Oh yeah, that's that's normal down there. And it's it's
because they have to log so many hours of like
day flight and night flight, and the night flight stuff
is horrible because they'll go till ten eleven o'clock at
night and if you live in the wrong spot in
that area, they just fly directly over top of you
all night long. You don't bother watching anything you can,

(44:06):
I mean stations.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Even sometimes we call like restaurants or whatever to make
a reservation, they're like, hold on a minute and put
you on. Make you hold Why the plane's going over Because.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
You have down there Virginia Beach. You have Oceania that's
down there in the middle of Virginia Beach and it's
one of the major military bases. They do a lot
of flight training and stuff out of.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I think it's what five bases down here, Mark, there's
more than that is there. I know that it's the most. Uh,
we have one of the biggest bases, if not the
biggest base on the East Coast.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's one of the biggest military cities in the world.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, so the fact that the planes and all become
normal to us. And then what's even crazier is where
I live right now. I'm not too far from the airport,
so the planes are flying over my house.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
We're used to it.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Like we'll see, like I was taking somebody home last
night and as I was driving down the road, it
looked like the plane was about to land on top
of my car, because that's just the way the strip is,
And it's just crazy. Sometimes people don't realize how close
that the airport is to like the actual city and
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It's surrounded by multiple military bases.

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Speaker 1 (46:36):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Mark because I know
we've rated some of these movies, but I don't think
he's been here, right, all of them except Six, because again,
I haven't watched Six yet. I don't know if if
he's watched it or not. I'm assuming you've watched six,
so leave it out right.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I have, I haven't seen I haven't seen six, Okay. Really,
the only reason I would want to see six is
for Tony Todds, because even though he's known in the
horror community, I feel like he was kind of overlooked
far more than he should have been.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Bro. They didn't list him at the Oscars in rememberance section.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
He was a legend. He was legendary status, and I
always felt like he was just overlooked as an actor
because all he did was primarily, for the most part,
B horror, B movie horror outside of candy Man one, two,
and three, a CG shot in The New candy Man,

(47:40):
the the Final Destinations and the Crow, right.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yeah, yeah, totally absolutely, and like yeah, but candy Man alone.
But I mean his background, I mean, he did theater.
He is shakespeare Like when he even though he was
doing be horror and stuff, he was like treating it
like theater, like art, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
So that was the thing that's like why candy Man
was so great.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
It's like he was bringing this heavy fucking performance to
this movie which was which already was a heavy subject matter,
but he brought that kind of weight. He tried to
bring it to everything. I think he made final lessonation
better for just showing up, even if it's just like
in this movie forty seconds of screen time or whatever
you get, man like, he brought away to the movie.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
And I was yeah, and even in that short time period,
it was like that that's Tony Todd. Yeah, yeah, I
mean president, the movie just kind of stood out.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
So I was a huge fan of The New candy Man.
I don't know about you, guys.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
I loved it and when I'm seeing it in theaters
and seeing that just moment at the end with Tony Todd.

Speaker 8 (48:46):
Was like just a peak moment that was great, that
that moment kind of I felt a little let down
at that at that moment, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Wanted to see more of Tony Todd in the movie
movie as the candy Man.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Yeah, I wonder, But I wonder though, like like as
you see Tony Todd in like The New Final Destination
and you know, like he's like said, hey, like like
later in his life, they lost so much weight and
they didn't look like the person they were from those movies.
And if you candy Man is a is a ghost, right,

(49:22):
candy Man is a revenant who stands for something. And
then as it's imposing large character, and I'm I'd be
worried to see if, like if we actually shot what
Tony Todd looked back in that moment, Like is that
really going to do the legend of candy Man justice right?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
When he's a larger than life character. I don't want
to see.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Somebody who like immediately am like, damn, this man's supposed
to his death bed. I want to feel the power
of Candy Man and that's like, you know, That's what
I think they had to do a little bit, is
they had to work around that.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Well, I I think they did good. I haven't seen six.
I've only seen his improv scene from six where they
kind of paused everything and told him, we know this
is your last movie. Say to the fans, which you
want them to know. Oh yes, yeah, that was him

(50:15):
talking to the fans.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So yeah, that's that's true.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, And I guess for me it kind of hit
a little home because I just watched my uncle a
lot of cancer. He passed in mid January and we
just had his funeral end of May because he was cremated.
But so it was good to see that kind of

(50:41):
said off for Tony Todd, that he got a chance
to speak to his fans in the end. So the
only but to answer your question, Billy, I think the
only ones I've seen is one, two, and this one.
I don't think I've seen three, and four and six
which one had Mary Elizabeth when said you were three

(51:06):
and everybody's that.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Because I mean, honestly, if I was ranking them, I
would go two and one. I mean log truck has
to go first. But those are the original those are
what brought me to the series, and I'm the one
that picked this series, want to cover it now. I
didn't remember five, but I'm going to put five as
number three because to me that I related more to

(51:30):
it than the other ones.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
The uh so there was we don't want it too three.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Roller Coaster four was race race car.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Okay, I think I'm gonna have to put racecar last.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's what I was gonna do. I was gonna say
rollers race car.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I mean the logging truck alone scarred an entire race.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
That's why it's one. It has to be one that.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, number two would be the original.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
But I also think that two across the board best kills.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
I think two has has the kid who looks up
and the plate glass windows smashes them footing, and has
the stoner guy who gets cut into like thirds by
like barbed wire, being shot back from explosion.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
The girl gets the PDC pipe that threw her head.
I just I remember all of these kills, and I've
had myself.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
I have trouble remembering a lot of the like kills
from these Saw movies and the later Final Destination movies.
But like, for some reason, two just like had all
this personality to like all of these scenes, and that was.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
I believe Tony Todd was in that almost who.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yes, that was the last one he was in until
this one. And one of the other kills in two
that's rememberable to me is one of the last kills,
the kid of the barbecue getting blown up and his
body part landed on his parents plate.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yes, I just screamed it was anybody hungry? Did you
want some barbecue?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Every time I see the death by barbed wire, I
just can't help but think that Silent Held did it better.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
I mean, Silent Hill went so unnecessarily hard and I'm
so here for it.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
I love Silent Hill for that.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
The first the first one was fanatic, the second one
was trash.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
This must be a new one, and I'm weirdly.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
The new one's being made by the guy that did
the original one, and if I remember correctly, he also
did Brotherhood the Wolf. Okay, cool, and he's supposedly basing
this one really closely to too, and Kanami announced that
they were doing a new movie and remaking two and

(53:55):
they were kind of going hand in hand. Okay, Yeah,
I'm I'm a Yeah, I'm a silent health fan. I'll
watch it.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, no, I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I'm just I don't know if I'm gonna walk in
and be like, oh my god, this is gonna be
the best movie ever, or do I walk in with
no expectations so there's no letdown.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Yeah, that's that's that's how you have to do it. Man.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I went to a midnight forty X showing of Jurassic
Rebirth Jurassic World Rebirth last night.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Where's forty X? I don't have any down here.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
I sign up for the regal past monthly regal paths
and our regal has a couple forty X showing.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Man and it's fun.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
You know, they splash water, they they blow smoke around,
they blow wind around and rain and like if it's snowing,
there's like fucking snowflakes in the theater. But it's a
good time. And so I was like, oh, man for
and Superman was an absolute blast and forty X, but man,
Jurassic Park was a weak now And I'm a huge
Garret Edwards fan, like I think he's a great director.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
And I was I was really let down.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
See, I've seen a lot of people talking about reviews
for Twister and forty X, and I'm like, I would
have loved to go see it, but there's no that
I can find.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
There's no forty X down here.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
That's literally the one movie. And it's like I didn't
I wasn't like crazy about Twisters. It was fun, but
like that was the one movie. I'm like, I wish
I had seen that ship forty X.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
You know, and you just said Superman was good in it. Well,
Josh reviewed it, reviewed Superman. He watched it in three D,
and he's like, yeah, I'm just because see an imax
because three D wasn't like all there.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I kind of always feel that way a little bit
about three D, Like I don't know, I've never seen
a movie that I think three D has improved the experience.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
And that was three D. This is the second Final
Destination that they had put in three D.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I saw the one before this in theaters in three D.
Whichever the it was the road Coaster one right.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, that was three That was three yeah, the Race
Car was four, which was three D. Was the roller Coaster.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I had to double check myself because I thought it
was in three D and Josh corrected me.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
You can tell all these movies they made for three
D during that time period. You can look at and
the way certain sens are shot, you can tell that
they meant it to be in three D.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
That's like the biggest bummer about that kind of era
of three D.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
That was like before three D went into the screen
and went deep space, which is like Coraline was the
first film to do it.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Everyone likes to say that Avatar was the first one
to do it. It was Coraline. But like before those movies.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Everything went out at you, right, So like there's all
these shots that only the three D audiences give to
experiences in any sort of palatable way, and everybody else,
like at Home, just has a stupid shot of like
somebody jamming something into wide angle lens and it.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Just looks terrible and you're just like, what the fuck
is this shot?

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Like, Oh, it's supposed to be three D, Okay, Like, yes,
Frank thirteen, three D is full of those shots, you know,
all those old movies are full of those shots. So
I do think like the move to going into deep
space was the best move D could have ever made.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, I mean the one death that I kind of
like laughed at it was one of the beginning ones.
Was Candice in her original death, not the gymnastics, because
when she fell, she went straight down in the sailboat
and you could see that that was supposed to be
made for three D the way that they had it
come out at you and you're like, all right, whoa,

(57:40):
that was made for three D.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Maybe it would have been better for that, but for me,
it was like that just looked like a bunch of jelly.
It's all good.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, yeah, the whole three D time period in cinema,
that's needs to just be ignored at this point.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I mean, like it's not going to like it happened.
This is like this we're in like the third wave
of three D.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, there was the first one.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
It's not every movie like it used to be.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
No, the first wave was in like that, I want
to say, the nineteen fifties or something like that. The
first wave of three D was really early on, and
there was there was smell of vision and there was
all these silly things. They all existed, and like then
they went away because people were like, this is not
making my.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Experience better, this is just annoying as hell.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
And then it came back with like Brennan Fraser and
Journey at the Center of the Earth and movies like that,
and then there was that really obnoxious age where every
three D movies sucked and it was full of obnoxious shots.
And I think now we're kind of in this era
where you know, it's it's found that's it's trying to
find its place or has kind of found its place,
where there's movies shot with the intention of three D,

(58:50):
but you don't require three D to enjoy the film.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
But like some of these things, actual theatrical experiences at
least better now.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Like I saw Tron Legacy and Imax three D and
that was that was pretty cool. That was pretty fun,
And it came out on Blu Ray and we watched
it a friend's house who happened to have a three
D TV and it was still pretty cool in three D.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Really, that's something I haven't tried yet the home TV.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah, Uh, Tron Legacy was pretty cool in three D,
didn't We watched Frometheus and three D. Yeah, Promethea, but
that was during the where everything was three.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, everything was three D, and I mean to me,
on that movie, it had its moments, but I'm like,
I could have just watched it.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
To watch it, I don't think that movie was shot
with the attention of three D. Yeah, that was like
they probably they forced it. They forced the square peg
into their hole.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And that wasn't that huge.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
What was how big of a screed was that it
was a sixth story Imax?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Oh no, you stat in the back.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, you sat in the back.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I saw Interstellar, uh at the theater and it was amazing.
It was absolutely amazing on that sixth story Imax.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Man, the one movie I really wish I wish I
had seen Centers on Imax.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I was just like I was kicking myself in that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
I saw that movie four times in theaters and I
could not find an Imax to see that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Man, I came down here, I had it here, m
but Hoppenheimer was really good match.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I've just watched Sinners two or three more times because
it's on HBO Max now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Its Centers never gets old to me.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
I think Ludwig Gordonson's score is one of the best
pieces of music that I've heard in a film in
like a long time. Just I think right, Ryan Coogler
just proved himself in a tour with that movie, Like,
I've liked all Ryan Kugler movies, but this one, like
it really blew.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Me away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
So well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I mean, since we are like a mental health thing,
I want to bring it back on this movie a
little bit for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Is there a big mental health message? And final destination.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Five kind of in that usage is kind of in
your movie too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
The survivor's guilt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Sure, yeah, okay, but nobody survived in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
But but it did show it. It didn't say he survived,
but what was it? Peter on canvas the whole time
he was had guilt that she died and he's still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
But why is it fair? And it's not fair? And
that was in this movie throughout the whole thing. I
mean a bottle.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
I thought about that specifically in the third act. I'm like,
I see parallels because you know, I wasn't sure.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
If you chose this movie for me for any particular
reason why, Josh go it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Okay, because I was watching the third act and like, okay,
I wouldn't have thought this before. But because I'm on
the show and you asked me to do this movie,
I'm finding parallels and uh, and it was kind of interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah, I mean there were a couple of parallels to
your movie in this movie about uh like Survivor's guilt.
A couple of other things was like how they were
addressing were other people, the way they were treated. So
for instance, like Nathan, how the other guys just the
one guy, Roy was being an asshole to him?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, try. I don't know if it was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
To me, it was on the borderline of almost racist.
Not saying he was or wasn't, but I felt that,
but I felt that was driven in there.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Yeah, because Roy was so aggressive with like he didn't
ramp up, Like every conversation with Roy, Roy is already
at like nine aggression.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I was like, what is he he was, Uh, you're
talking about the dude in the factory and gets killed
on the hook?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah, No, that was more of the fact that he
was like right out of college and now he's this
guy's supervisor that's been there for like thirty years. That's
more of what that hatred was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Well, either way, Ocean should have been in that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Way having a field day, Okay, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
They went from a hook going through the sales boss.
I mean that was that was the quickest seth of
them all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
That was It reminded me of Stiffler's death in the
first one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
How they immediately changed how many days since an accident signed, you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Know, back down to zero.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
They broke it down the seconds on that one, and
the fact that, uh, the way they did it so quickly,
like who's next, and before he could even say Dennis,
the rent was already through. It's too late, we're moving on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
We're all waiting for Dennis to die. Let's let's admitute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Maybe he'll remember his name.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I know, Stan. I love his power playing to me,
what's my name?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Look at me?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I look away, all right, Yeah, you're not You're not worthy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yeah. But I did think those are interesting kind of
parallels going on.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
Also, I kind of found that in general, parallel in
the in the The Only Ones is more of a
it feels like it's his elements of fate and elements
of like a scenario that's out of your control working
against you. And I think, you know, obviously it's more
literal in the Final Destination movies, but I fought I
felt like that was a parallel as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
No, that was a huge parallel.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Especially I can talk more on Final Destination not spoiling
your movie. But on this one, I mean he literally
tries to control what's gonna happen and still can't control it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I mean it ends with the plane flight one he's underlay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
And into at the beginning of Final Destination.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
And I thought it was just gonna like cut for
the at the realization to credits, but they like play
out the entire violent death of like everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I'm like, oh, all right, okay, Yeah, I mean I
was the same way you were. I thought they were
gonna decide what's gonna blow off and that was gonna
be it. But the fact that they went on with
it and they added the wheels falling on the other guy,
I was like, I'm here for this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
And then they cut away to the credits and they
started showing deaths from all the other movies. I'm like,
all right, I could get down with this. You're reminded
me all the movies, all the desks and everything. Yeah,
like the tanning the poll, through the flag pole, through
somebody that got thrown.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
They went through the entire series and showed everything.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Just from like a cinematography standpoint, the like the graphic
match cut of the two tanning beds. Frying to instantly
smash cut to two coffins is like one of the
all time greatest shots in any of the Final Destination
movies period.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, I've always wondered how many people quit tanning over that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Uh yeah, I've never gotten in one of those things,
and I'll definitely never get in one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Things now, Yeah, yeah I will. If I got a
tan I'll find something else. I'm not getting in a
bed to where I'm gonna get stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I don't want to be strapped to a table
with laser beams.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
I don't want to be locked in a fucking coffin
with fucking crazy light bulbs above.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Man, don't want any of these six.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
So well, I mean I think we pretty much hit
this movie. Is there anything else that y'all can think
of I want to bring up?

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I mean we've covered just about every topic under the
sun at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
So yeah, well, I mean, as you can see, we
killed this movie as much as you can. So we'll
be covering Final Destination six boodlines next week. Cool again,
you can see Jordan's movie Horrific Hope. The only ones

(01:06:40):
during the love letter block with lace Monsters and Horrific
Hope again is on Friday, August fifteenth. Notes and tickets,
show notes and everything are below. Jordan, Where can everybody
find you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
You can find me on Instagram Facebook to search my
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up Future Fantascope. That's Fantascope like a phantom pH a
N t O Scope. That's the production company that I
co own as well, futurefanascope dot com. You can go
there and check out a lot of our work and

(01:07:12):
a lot of the trailers for our films, and sign
up for our email list. Like you said, the only
ones that's gonna be playing a Terrific Hope. But right
around the same time as we're coming out of Ripope,
we're also going to be releasing on DVD and Blu
Ray with special features, and I think rental streaming is
going to start around the same time as well, though
I can't speak to exactly where that's going to be yet,

(01:07:33):
But all that other stuff is going to be happening,
So you can check that out there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Nice Nice, I'll look forward to looking at the extras
on that, trust me. Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
I brought the cast to my house and I bought
them some wine and I made them do a cast commentary,
so show its a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And Mark, I think I already know the answer. But
where did everybody find you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Lurking in the dark corners and not really doing anything
on social media?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
And like me and Josh always say, we own the
rights to Mark, you can always find him here on
abyss Gazing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Abyss Gazing Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
The episodes always come out on Wednesdays, and our next
episode will be Bloodlines. So until next time, Remember, the
longer you gaze into the Abyss, the more the Abyss
gazes back into you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yay, we remembered, Hey Jay

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
We'll be grad

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