Final Destination: Bloodlines (2025) | Episode #160 - Abyss Gazing: A Horror Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Did you miss me? Welcome back to a Biscaysing, a
horror podcast where we celebrate all things spooky and mental health.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey, this is Billy. I'm still here and yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You've been holding that one in really haven't you.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's like waiting for us.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Uh so special shout out to everyone who joined us,
all the bands, all the promoters on the Drowning and
Anxiety Tour to be a King, which was the reason
I was not here last week to talk about Final
Destination five, but I'm here today. I talk about the
final chapter in the Final Destination so far and we
are joined by Vashi and Rook, the director of uh

(01:14):
Citch Run. Yes, Uh this is like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Like Dutch just a difficult language, so like it's uh
it's a good effort, like if it's always if you
if you're in your native is English and he tried
to learn Dutch. It's it's not the easiest, though choice
to learn Dutch.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So Billy can attest to it even in English. I
suck at pronouncing things like It's one of my weakest
things as a journalist and podcaster, and uh, I need
to get better. There are certain times that like just
behind the scenes where like I'll be doing like a
review and I will literally be studying how to pronounce
a name before I talk about a particular performer or director, writer, cinematographer,

(01:59):
chair at it. So it's not just in Dutch, it's
also in English.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And it's not minutes you study and sometimes it could
be hours or whatever just to get it right. So
you're good.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
But the movie is a official selection this year for
Horrific Hope Film Vesseval. It is going to be kicking
off our final block Let's start a cult, along with
the feature film that is going to be excuse me,
Peter Noscher and The Mission of Light, which is going

(02:33):
to be celebrating its Virginia premiere along with the US
premiere of your film.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And yes, for.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Those that may have those have, those that have attended
a Horrific Hope in the past, I may be familiar
with your other short that we streamed a couple of
years ago called Amy and I. In this movie is
world is different.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, it's a it's a bit of different, like like
keep it, keep it, keep it a.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Bit of dark, but still make make it less depressing.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
What I think, what I think is fascinating about this
is that it has what you know, we would consider
here in the States to be like a talking head
model to where it's this mockumentary and it almost kind
of feels like it's this like pilot to a crazy
reality show. Can you tell us a little bit about

(03:29):
what this movie is and really what inspired you to
make it?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
This this was a project for the guy who plays
the main character. It was it just for he studied
to be an actor, so that for the school they
had to the final part of the year and they
needed to write a film and and find a director.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
To to work it out, to work to make it,
to make the film.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
So it was actually the first one the first time
I was asked to direct the film. So I was
in the like I was quite late compared to the
other students.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I was as late to to.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
To work with him because he couldn't find someone to
work with. And then hear the head of the school.
I was as, hey, do you want to like work
with this guy? And and then he said, like, it's
a movementary And to be honest, at the first I
was like, I don't know about that because it can
be funny work.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
But if like if he do.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I also saw a lot of others where I think,
I don't know if it's something for me, But then
he tried to build like a cold thing, and then
from there I think, okay, this can be interesting because
like I had so many ideas about it, and then
I think during our process, it's also like that we
instead of like because you have several like those cult

(04:49):
films where someone wants to escape or you have to
where jurnal is coming in and then they can't escape anymore.
But what if now, like if the leader himself tried
to start something and goes out of hand and he
wants to escape his own calls there like, yeah, this
can work, and and and also I because it is
in process of writing and and and first it was

(05:10):
really ha ha very just love a bit more like
a really comedy comedy and a bit of like silly jokes.
And for my seeing my background with my previous two films,
it's like I I wanted to not make it a
full on comedy but also a bit of drama and
like a good balance a bit of dark humor in it.
And from there it turned out to be this because

(05:32):
the guy, the guy who acts the Rick who.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Plays the main character.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
He was fascinated with calls and the documentaries and I
for me, it was also fun because I I when
I like during Corona there I worked at the company
and where they they still do domin names and and
you can host their website and because and at the
time there were so many self proclaimed UH gurus who

(06:00):
were at the website. Like it's like like everyone was
gurul one, so like from there was like everyone they
all talked the same.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
So like from that, it was also stuck.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
In my mind where we were when this started, liking, Okay,
we need to This is a guy who just thought, hey,
I'm gonna do this, and then it goes out so
like everything will be both like what I had in
the back of my mind came also with that, it
became setune, so making fun of.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
The of the the people who did.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
A three day course to be guru and then but
like what what would happen when everything.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Goes out of hands?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
And then yeah, like constantly constantly make the wrong choices,
and that was it was like, yeah, that was a
bit of the process how this film came to be.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, the area where it was shot was really I
really liked it. Where was that shot at.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, oh yeah, there was other like those nets
and the Funny Night. The Funny Story is not compared
to the US. The Nealys is very very small, but
there are still quite some distances. So there's was a
place and we had like two located to two of
the same places, but like one letter is spelled differently,

(07:10):
so there one has an extra D in it and
uh and that it was close by, so okay, let's
let's go there by car it's closed so we can
take yeah a wrecky. I don't know what's English word
for it, but you check it out and see where
you're going to film.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
But apparently this was the other one was in Ceylon.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
That's more like to the south of whole all and
so that's like it's a three three hour drive, so like, okay,
we can't really have the time or the money to
go there, so we had to go on the day
itself when we film, and we had to and but
that's luckily for a mocumentary go there.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
And it was beautiful because.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It was also like the hottest weekend in in uh yeah,
around the summer. Now it was early September, but it
was because of the sun all day.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
It looks like the A story.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
If I talked like all the ways I'm over placed always, it.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Wasn't it was.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
It was a very beautiful and because I also thought like,
it doesn't look like the netolins, so there was also
a bit of like a fun thing and like it
looked also because of the beautiful, uh some the whole
day it looks more like you're being like in the
Texas Country or a bit more where you expect to be, Like.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, I got so sucking storry for that.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
It gave a really beautiful atmosphere like it wasn't in Holland,
but more in a place everything.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, this is a place where cult could be.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah. It was one of the things that you know,
having seen a lot of cult features in the past,
you know, whether you're talking about uh wicker Man's kind
of the one that really stands out is you know,
you want something that feels isolated but yet like and
welcoming and well, and I think you guys really were

(09:01):
able to capture that. And I've got to curious for
you knowing that you know, this is the first thing
that I've seen of yours where you're not necessarily the
writer on this, but you're just kind of along for
the ride. Like thematically, even this is also something that's

(09:23):
very different from you. It feels very much out of
your wheelhouse. When you look at you know, a short
like on the Air or Amy and I, there is
this high level of anxiety, high level of tension kind
of woven through it. And that's not to say that
you don't have those parts here, but this is a
very lighter film. There is a lot more comedy than
we're used to for you stretching yourself as a director,

(09:45):
what were some of the challenges you faced in kind
of doing comedy for the first time.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I always like like comedy, but the company is
also there's also the anxiety for me for this film
is like for yeah, now you're doing someone else film,
But like The Quick, you get an impossive syndrome going
as a as a that takes place because you think, yeah,
how much of my own stand back and putting it
in this film because you have to take care of

(10:14):
someone's else baby's They call it like that, and it's
it's like, but I also want to make it my
own thing.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
And then I think mostly it was.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Like a lot of talking and during the story we
like what I told you told before that I also
I also wanted to make a bit more my stamp
on it. And I was like, because first it was
really like like a pure comedy and no drama elements
or or or some dark things in and I really
wanted in. And I think by that like talking to

(10:45):
the director and try to the writer. Sorry, I'm we
we we find good middle points. So we had a
good balance of my my things I want to put
in it. But like it was like quite scary and
to do because yeah, I also was the first film
where you have far more people, like more people on
the sets, so like I were normally my other films

(11:07):
were just two actors mostly and this was a whole
group with all all most of them are the or.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Other students from the same.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Education, some of the teachers, some of our family, so
they knew each other far well, like better.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So I sometimes it was for me it was a
bit of uh, she'sus.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
They think they me how I talk now, So I'm
also all on the set, so they think, who's this
crazy guy?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
That is the question.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Like anxiety is like NonStop going on, like so so
that's easy to recognize also in who they are, who
the people are in the film, the characters. And but
the other thing was what also wasn't the same time
like on day on the on the first day I
had and where we shot the group, the all the
teams with the group, the whole group, and the second
day we did the testimonials.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
But like I had the first a d.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Was the first not for study, my assistant director and
he did a really professional selfwalk for on set. And
I I never made a dime for directing and never
had a paid gig, so I had someone who was
more professional than I was, and I was.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Like, yes, but like if he's going to have more.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Influence and so this is this is constantly but goes
to my mind constantly the panic and then but eventually
also yeah, it's it worked out also for how everything
works in the story. So like for me, it's always
I work always in with a god feelings, so I
never have like a very strict plan this is going

(12:42):
to be how it's going to be. It's more like
I mostly work better when things have to be done
on a moment than blending ahead.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Does this answer your question.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Or yeah a little bit? Because I was much. I've
also had friends that have been in similar positions to
where they've like written and directed all of their own
films and then get approached to direct a project where
they don't necessarily have that creative control and so it
is kind of this like new learning curve for them

(13:15):
as well.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
So yeah, so my question is gonna build off of
what you just said about that in the moment, the
lemon scene is kind of one of my favorites out
of the movie.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Just to me, I started laughing because of the whole
concept of it. What was it like shooting that scene?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
That was like also quite random because we didn't have
to like practice with the whole group.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
So I said, we are we.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Are going in in a We were in the in
the garden and I said, like, how do you wanna like,
how do you wanna someone ask how we want.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
To place the people?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
And I said like, yeah, mobly, like uh, the five
on the dice. So like I didn't, like, it doesn't
make sense, Okay, they had to send the mid like
like a part and then you just go walk through.
We go a couple of times, and and and and
we used to see what we can use and we
did for a long time, the whole time, and then

(14:13):
at one point saying, yeah, this is fine.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
And then we we.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Had a very good editor who who made the like
put it all together for the usual things, because it
was also a bit tough because it was a bit
of improvising at the same time.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
So we had there's was one look.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Where he goes to the wants to look to the
camera and we were just too late with the camera zoom.
But like that it's it's fine, doesn't doesn't have to
be perfect.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So it's a bit on the.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Whim improvising and and we we sawt a lot of
a lot of material on that point. And but yeah,
and that's how it came to be, like mostly because
of the editor shooting the right.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Clips and and he had the whole the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
And he also knows like a lot of the main
actor didn't learn any of the lines. He wrote the lines,
but like he had all here, so he didn't like
he just he just.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Did like on a yeah, a bit of like improvising.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Because it was also important for me, like when people
do testimonials and because they are real people. If you
were mispronounced something or you're stuttering or whatever, go just
go ahead because you're not an actor. You're the person
who was getting interviews, so you can start you can't.
So for like, there was a lot of freedom and
and and people know each other and trusting each other.

(15:28):
So that that was that works so very well because
all these actors were just all in their graduation year.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
The the woman who was playing Lea, she was in
the same class, didn't have to make a film because
he had another project going on. And yeah, the guy
played Danny, he was he did. He was in the
final year of the theater class. So that it was
like and I felt I worked with actors who were
doing this for years and like.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
So everything went very easy or so yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Also it is like the garden went on and on,
especially when everyone's starting to use say situn sitron see
tune because they've been on for a very long time
every time and at one point you just start laughing
because of it was very fun to do.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right. Well, with that said, you guys can check
out satroon on making its US premiere kicking off our
Let's start a cult block along with Peter Noster and
The Mission of Light, which is these two together are
probably one of the most batshit blocks I've ever programmed,

(16:42):
along the side with the great Billy Taber. Here, you
guys can get your tickets on sale now. Both are
celebrating premiers, Both are great, and both show cults from
two completely different genre size. Excited to have them both.
But in the show as well, you guys were finally
to get your tickets. Now, we're gonna take a quick
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(17:04):
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Welcome back to a Biscazing. We are wrapping up our
final destination series before we head off into anime and
Fantasia August. Gentlemen, this is a new one and I
still have mixed feelings about this. I'm just gonna put

(19:17):
that out there.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I'm there, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'm gonna start with this. If you haven't watched it yet,
turned this off, come back. Oh yeah, we'll be tons
of spoilers. Oh yeah, because I know the Blu ray
or the DVD just came out this week. I just
got it. I finally watched it this week, so I
know some people haven't watched it, So now it's the
time to cut this off and come back to it.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah. I saw this in theaters opening weekend, and everyone
talked about like how great this movie was, and I
was like, all right, I came out of it and
I was like, I don't I don't know. There are
things about this movie that I think do really well,

(20:03):
but this film still feels like a mid tier entry
into the franchise on rewatch, I'm curious how you guys
feel about it.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
I watched, like, I don't know if I saw the
other the first three in the cinema. I think I
saw them on DVD, and I saw the fifth one
in the cinemat of Poorthfoie.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
I just watched a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
And it was also very short, like only like seventy
five minutes. Or something, and it was and I skipped
it one in the cinema because it was that was
a movie where the three D took over and every
film you had.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
To had to watch in CD.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
And it's like, okay, I'll skip this one, but yeah,
for for me with als this film it is it's
eventually is a nice compilation clip on YouTube of all
the kills.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
That's basically where you're in for.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Because story wise, it's like, for yeah, what's the point,
like everyone there is there is there is no like
you can solve it like every time, and they they
had in the fifth one, the previous one, which had
a very fun surprising ending at the point or like thinking,
oh see what you're doing there, but like that was

(21:17):
the only one. I hate the characters mostly I the
guy who's the one guy there who looks like Tom Cruise,
And I hated the guy.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's like, for what I do care about the people?

Speaker 4 (21:25):
They are all one dimensional characters and and there's always
that one guy who looks like a bit punk broker
and then yeah he's the asshole here and and and
they all in the other the final destination, the three
D one there was like the jog and like why
are they also.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
They haven't I don't care about these.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
People, and and I think it's fun, but like they
have the certain rules and when you kill someone else
you get the rest of the of their time or
something like that, and and that's but yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Like a why how did they find that out? Like
who said that they found it on? They didn't remember
what did they explain that in the previous film.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
When yes, in five they explained it that if you
take somebody's life, you get it, but you'd never know
how long it's gonna be. Yeah, they also explained that
you could cheat that by getting revived, which was in two.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
M Yeah there was the second one, which like okay.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
But but but then also like yeah, when you have
in this movie with the in the hospital scene, it's
like phone but there why why does why why the
when they try something that, why does it intervene over there?
Like that doesn't make sense right? Or because the what
the one guy? Yeah, the one scene where certain things happened.

(22:51):
I don't know, we're gonna talk later about about it,
but like there where is it going interfeening there?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
And not?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
On another point, well, I think is crazy?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
So the scene you're referring to is is Eric and
that that MRI machine. Also, what are the what are
the best gags in the entire franchise? Like what a
Way to Go? And I think Billy and Ever text
about this, But there was a guy that I think
in New Jersey that actually, yeah, just died like that,

(23:20):
and I was like, oh, oh, we should also probably
mention that when this film was in theaters in America.
I don't know if you know about this or not,
but there was actually a theater that was screening this movie,
and the theater like the ceiling.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like everything that you go to see you see that.
You see scenarios everywhere. But that's that's also what I
do the setups with like some more fakeouts. But then
the people put sort of things in blazes and it's
all it's all very over the top movement, so they
they it's something else gonna.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Fall but like it's like it's always the same thing
kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's like why would you put something in like exactly
so close to the to the to the the border
of the of your table or something like why don't
you put it in the middle and then it doesn't
fall off like.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
It's all it's all a bit it's yeah, it's it's
a bit crazy. It doesn't like it's the whole guy.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Because this film is also based on Nostagia, because it's
been a long time, they're that they made a movie
about it, and then and then they they did some
great marketing. But it's like it's all you're only going
to see you're waiting for the for the creative skills.
But but yeah, we follow a group of people. You know,
they're all not gonna make it. There's also this film
I think is a big problem is it's also how

(24:47):
it ends and where we think from out there us
like very very bad like perform like now performer.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I would say that there's like a spoiler of the end.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
It's okay, it's okay, yeah, yeah. You have the brother
and sister, I think, the main two main characters, and
then you think something happened, and then it was very like, oh,
she gets almost drowned, and later she's back, and then
and then they talk and I think their mother just died,
but they're all just oh, it's a few months.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
But like I don't think people who are who experienced.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
This are just very relax and everything is cozy and
then oh yeah the moment the two logs and then
they get killed, like because she didn't get revived, she
still was alive, and like.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, what's what's is the point of that now? Like
it's just okay, I guess this.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Is like so since we're like chopping to the like
directly to the end, the ending to this movie like
is probably one of the endings that pissed me off
the most. Like they I thought it was like genius,
like how they were marketing this movie and there are
like legitimately log trucks that they were like advertising on,

(26:05):
which I thought was incredible because when you talk to
anyone about final Destination, the log truck always comes up.
Like it doesn't matter if you've seen the movie or
you've seen that scene, Like that scene scarred an entire
generation of people, and I thought it was like I

(26:26):
liked the nod to it. But I think I think
for me, like, you know, you bring up a good
point about like having just lost like you know, your mom,
like or their mom in this film, especially after like
being like re reconnected with her after like decades basically

(26:47):
of like being estranged. I think like it bothered like
that also bothers me to where like it's just kind
of you're you're you're thinking you're getting this like happy
ending and it's like nah, dude, like there would definitely
be like way more trauma than that, Like.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You're just.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I think I was gonna say, I think for me,
like also like having experienced everything I experienced earlier this
year with Erica, like I know, emotionally, like you don't
bounce back like that, like no, and Billy, like I
feel like you could even speak to that, like it's
it's difficult, like when you lose someone that's like close
to you or like even come close to that, like

(27:32):
not to put you on the spot.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But so I mean, I agree with everything y'all are saying.
But at the same time, a lot of times it's
because my kids did go to that we lost my wife,
we lost their mom, And it's sometimes it is that
you've got to enjoy the moment you're in, even though
it may not all be happy and everything you just

(27:55):
perceived that it is for that moment, and then you
can come back to the sad moments. For instance, in
that case, I'm assuming it was like a prom or
something because they had and everything.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
They talked about it. At the beginning of the movie,
when you yeah the cousins, they're like, oh, yeah, are
you ready for prom?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah. I didn't hear say prom, but I knew he
had asked her out, so I assumed it was prom.
But when you have the like that, go ahead now.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
But it's it's not only I say only this film
is then like a lot of the films, and I
had a film where someone's mom died and and a
week later they went, uh, they went to school as
all that that wasn't tough week, and then they go
to back to school or back to work, like yeah,
it doesn't make sense, like you're out for months to

(28:42):
be feel normal again. It's uh, but like, yeah, you
don't have the time in movies, I guess, or you
have to skip a year and or and then see yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
But yeah, so I mean I know for here, you
can't be out for months. I barely got two weeks
out before I had to go back after my wife
and the kids were just hadn't started school yet, so
that didn't play a factor. School started a month later
than it happened, So it happened in August. They started
school in September, so that I hate to say, was lucky,

(29:15):
but it was lucky that they didn't have to go
to school the next day, whereas you know, I had
two weeks and then I had to go back to it.
But so I know that that plays a factor here
in our society where even like pregnancy and all where
overseas you get like months, they expect you to take
time off. We're over here in America. That's not the expectation.

(29:38):
The expectation, Okay, put dirt on it. It's time to
go back to work. They're like, yeah, just walk it off. Yeah, basically,
I'm being serious. I'm not even joking. I know that
that's the case because I've seen the different things for
overseas and the different things for here and overseas when
it comes to that, they have everything a lot better

(30:00):
than we do over here.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
They had a better here because I like things also
in my family and uh, well scene seen it in
and then yeah they were okay, just didn't have to
work for months until they feel okay again. So like
it's uh, it's much better done here. Also like everything,

(30:22):
so yeah, but that's yeah, it's weird to be like, oh, yeah,
you have two weeks and then we need to get
back to work.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Uh, I need to bump some dirt on it something
like that.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I mean, it also speaks like speaks volumes about like
how each country like handles things like grief and mental
health right where like, you know, we we talk about
being proactive and progressive when it comes to our mental health,
yet we don't let we don't let people bounce back

(30:51):
and take the time that they actually need when they
have a trauma. And even it doesn't even necessarily have
to be something as like drastic as death, like it
can also be a child being born. You know, my
sister recently had had a kid a few months ago,
and I think they gave her like six weeks off,
and like she felt like at the end of those

(31:11):
six weeks, like she wasn't ready to come back, and
so like she asked her an extension for I think
like three weeks or something, you know, And so it's
like and we also give that, you know, just to
mothers when it's I have just as many guy friends
that are parents that felt like paternity Like, uh, is

(31:33):
that what it's called paternity leave?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Uh, paternity leave, Like they should get they should get
some like you know, they should be able to get
more than a week to help their wives bounce back
to normal and like balance the like other chaos that
exists within the house, and it just just doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I mean, and not only just to bounce back, but
just the bond with the child that was born. I mean,
a lot of people the first couple of months of
the life is when you need to bond with them.
But here, like you said, maybe a week or two
and we're we're back to work.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, it's a it's a crazy show that things are.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I know, Like I think you know that in the
Nathian countries they have that do have that hopefully for
for fathers to have a longer and longer stay off
of work.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
But over here, I don't know, Like I don't experience
people like or people around me that I talk about
that sort. Like most of most of my friends don't
have kids, so it's like it's it's like a couple do.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
But I don't know. I never talked about about how
much time off they have or something like that, but like,
but over.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Off being also that the I would say, the medical
stuff is better arranged here, far better because everyone is
insured here, because it's also mandatory, you can be not
not the shurt like it's it's you you, You're all
everyone is his short.

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Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah. The way insurance works here is we're mandatory supposed
to have insurance. But at the same time, we've got
to pay for it. It's like they pull it out
of your checks or whatever.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
For the Yeah, yeah here we have to pay every
months and yeah, and back in the day here if
you don't use anything, you got something back.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
But like that also is not the case anymore. So
if you're.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Healthy and then you just just pay pay, Yeah that's
how it works. But oh well, yeah, they're they're pretty
think but all it's very well to take care of.
But I think in Norway the medical care is free.
So that's uh, that's a good thing there.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes, we got to move to Norway, my guy. Yeah,
I want to talk about like one of the things
that this franchise does really well, uh for the for
the first time, here is the character of Eric, where
if you remember the marketing for this movie, the very
early bit that we got it was the tattoo shop death.

(35:06):
Wasn't any context that was like, that was the teaser
trailer they led with. That was the teaser poster they
led with. They had a really cool skull like art
design that yeah, it came from the and like this
is also the first time that like I feel like
in this franchise. Correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, But

(35:27):
this is the first time we have like an actual
like fake out death that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
That's the first major bake out, and that's the Bubblehead,
I think, Correct me if I'm wrong. The bibble Heads
the first thing that actually marketed and sold, right, Yes,
I can't think of anything else they sold.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't. I don't think they've sold anything else outside
of like you know, maybe like the occasional like T shirts,
but like, yeah, I think the Bibblehead was like the
first like physical thing you could own.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, then it's like the marketing is as well, like
but yeah if those I also like had a bit
back back in my mind that when when you didn't
see him like die at that point, he's out, like
probably this is a fake out because normally you see everything.
So it was a bit of Yeah, it was like
there were certain kills were very creative, but I felt

(36:24):
like when what happened to the mom, I thought it
was a bit of random.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
It was like very not like good in the screen.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
I must also say I didn't was a big fan
of her actings, Like I didn't further, like she had
the look of someone you expect for that role. But
like the performance, I didn't really like it. Didn't buy
it for a lot of the like some lines were
really like had bad delivery, like how I talk now,
but it.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Was a bit of it's yeah, I didn't like that.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
And the other thing where I don't know how you
guys think of it, is there the whole permanition thing,
like why she had a dream for Grandma and later he.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Do new everything? How how things would go, how where? How?
How like that that.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
That felt more like it just a reason for exposition
to me, Like I also thought that like it was
so I have a love paid relationship with the uh
that this this cold opening, like this whole entire premonition
sequence right like for one, I think the entirety of

(37:32):
like Skyline Tension was done remarkably better with Drop, which
is another movie that came out earlier this year. Christopher
landers Landon just absolutely crushed it. The acting is great.
I think it's streaming of Peacock here in the States.
So if you if you want a better version of this,
go check out Drop. But it felt like it went

(37:55):
on way too long and it felt like really un
nestssary for us to also get a blood Worth backstory. Like,
I don't know how you guys felt about that whole
connection where Tony todd Is kind of been like this
mysterious like boogeyman that's kind of existed in this franchise.

(38:18):
And then they were like, actually, not only are we
going to talk about how this whole phenomenon started, but
we're also going to give blood Worth a backstory Like
that to me just kind of felt.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
But how did they?

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, I don't like I didn't see the the other
ones recently, so how how they find him in the
first appearance of in the in the film? So like
how did they get to him? Like, for how did
he know what's what's going on?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Well, in the first film he basically showed up as
the corner, just as a corner, and the second film
was the same way, and he was the same way
in the fifth film.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, because I was gonna say he's not in the
fourth film and he's correction, Tony todd Is in the
third film, Bloodworth is not. He is the voice of
the uh the demon from the Carnival, gotcha? So yeah,
he uh he I like have like a really like

(39:21):
love hate relationship with it because I love the fact
that you kind of had this guy that was seemingly
connected but you didn't know why, and it was ambiguous
to that degree to where like you waited for Tony
Todd to show up and you didn't really know why
he was connected to all of these Like you thought, Okay,

(39:43):
well he shows up in the second film, It's like
it's the small town. It's just a coincidence. Then he
shows up again in the fifth film, and you know
it was cool to see him in the fifth film,
but again, like I didn't really need, uh this like backstory,
and like I get it, like they're trying to explore
something a new concept with like generational curses and stuff

(40:06):
like that.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Like I mean I think that was Yeah, I'm like
I thought it was fine for for I made sense.
Oh now that's why, like we got to see it.
But like I also really that was not really bothering me. Say,
I don't know how just if you believe, but there
a word are your fault thoughts about it?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, I was gonna say I actually watched the extra
stuff for the Blu ray, so part of it was,
if I remember correctly, on the because they did a
documentary kind of thing on his character, and part of
it was a nod for him because at that point
they knew he was sick. That's why they gave him
the freedom on the last line he gave and everything.

(40:49):
They were trying to give him his story and have
it wrapped up in a nice bow so that when
you know he passed away, his character were with him.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, but that's.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get it, but I'm saying
I appreciate the nod that they did for him to
respect because he is who he is. But I liked
it when he was like the boogeyman.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So yeah, yeah, like it's it's done.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
It's a little but like, oh well, what I think
is with these films is also fun. Yeah, there there
is a bad guy, but there's a plan with death.
But yeah everyone, some other people just they can just
go to good Dina sleep and that's and but then
for these certain group of people in this family, they
have to be creatively slaughtered. And then and then when

(41:43):
they when they have the premonition, it's actually a double
core course because now they get like they still gonna
be killed, but another gruesome way, and it's all cool
for the screaming, like there's no like they can't fight it,
they can make cheat it, but then it back for
it anyway, So there's also no face to say it's
to see for yeah, I'll be one, And so for me,

(42:06):
it's like for there's never never going to be winners.
It's just every time the same kind of kind of
people you see and then killed in a very creative way.
But like in the end they lose still, Like it
feels like there's not really a final point to final destinations,
like it's just just continuous destination because like so I

(42:28):
don't know if this is the final one because the
whole family is dead now, or is a new family
chosen or.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I Yeah, so I think that this one's really interesting
to consider because when you go back and you look
at the other entries into this, the majority of them
are people that are loosely connected, and it happens in
the span of like what like ten.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Days Billy like something like that.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, so like it's like maybe ten to fourteen days.
You're looking at like week and a half, maybe two weeks,
and that kind of just like is is what it is,
you know, and like they figure out some way to
maybe escape it, some way to not like every film
is kind of different, but this is the first time

(43:15):
that I think we've seen Final Destination done to this scale,
Like not only is this a family, this is a
large family, this is a this is multi generational family,
you know, and so like, I think it's fascinating that
you kind of take this massive, like cinematic opening and

(43:36):
you set it as your stage to say, you know,
over one hundred people were set to die, they didn't die,
and it has taken us the better part of you know,
five or six decades to like forget to like actually
catch up, and it's going to go to this person,
this person, this person. And I thought, again, I think

(43:58):
this film plays around with the interesting ideas, but I
think I also agree with you. I think, aside from
the fifth film, I will say I don't think I
think endings are one of those things that Final Destination
films always kind of struggle with, you know, to where

(44:19):
we kind of really don't get the greatest ones, like
you know, we got to have that one last like
Hurrah death that's like just when you thought the happiness
was coming back.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
We are.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, see this one. I mean even I rewatched it
like right before the podcast also, so I had Josh,
my youngest, watching it with me, and he's like, really
they had to kill him with some logs at the end.
They couldn't leave it alone. And Josh this, Josh knows
my kids, so he knows exactly that Tony said it
in and it's like, yeah, I agree with him. That

(44:58):
was just over the time. Hot's because it's a one
in a million chances for a penny to get stuck
in a train that's gonna run through some houses that's
all of a sudden throw some logs all over the
back to kill two specific people. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah. And it's like it's I'm curious if they like
because now you get the new scary movie film with
the Wayne brothers. See if they they're going to do
Final Destination and see how they do it, Like I
have I have my own idea to make a spoofful
Final Destination. But it's the people dying and just mindly
like inconvenience things happen like on the website against Fault,

(45:38):
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
It's like have you ever seen them a groover?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Yes, ball they throw and it's just it doesn't do anything,
but I want to do that. But then with a
spooful final destination that that death is trying but like.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's just like not working for him, just keeps going short.
I will say though, like, uh, you know, we kind
of famously shared some articles from like sources as this
film was coming out, you know, bringing it back to
blood Worth. This is the final role that Tony Todd
will take on. Earlier this year, we did cover Candy

(46:15):
Man in a tribute episode. But I really love the
fact that the director of this movie and the writers
were kind of like, you know, we're gonna give you,
like basically time to just kind of say whatever the
fuck you want to say. And what he comes up
with is like just genius. Like his monologue is after

(46:36):
he's kind of like had this like hole back and
forth with like Stephanie and her family, he says, I
intend to enjoy the time I have left, and I
suggest you do the same. Life is precious. Enjoy every second,
you know, you never know when good luck, And then
he exits the screen. It's one of the It's probably
this single best moment in this entire movie. There's never

(47:01):
been a Final Destination movie that's made me want to cry.
This was the first one because I love Tony Todd.
But I think this is like it's a very odd,
you know thing to kind of come out of something
as goofy as Final Destination. But it is like this
thing where I think we get desensitized to our day
to day lives, whether it's work, friends, you know, meals,

(47:24):
whatever you want to like, whatever your schedule looks like,
to where we kind of overlook just how precious life
really is and how worth living it is, you know,
to where we don't enjoy every second, we just kind
of go through the motions of it, whether that motions.
Those motions include social media, you know, friends, jobs again,

(47:49):
you know, grocery shopping, like that list, you know, parenthood,
That list goes on and on on, And I think,
I guess I'm grateful for moments like this where you
have these really gory deaths, but then you have these
like really somber moments that is like, cherish your life,
Cherish every second that you have because truth be told,

(48:12):
you don't know when it ends. Death comes free at
any moment, and yeah, like this worth living for.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, I do come back to that scene with this
final word. I did wish they had had a little bit,
a little bit more pause into the other people reacting
because it was a bit too fisty. He said, just
said that panel words was nice. And then they go
to them and they're saying just like it breaks a
bit of that moment, like and for me, I wish
they had like a bit of more like just give

(48:43):
them a couple of beats to let that sink in.
And it was just and then they but they didn't
do it, And then I feel like there's a bit of
a way I just let the moment of breathe like,
but it was two so because it was a bit
of a silly reaction afterwards.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
And then yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
I wish they had like a bit of yeah they
need for me, let's just kip a couple a seconds
so to sing they let us think in and breathe
in and then go further on a reaction with the
other people.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Then I think it goes back to what I was
saying earlier about how Americans view mental health. Anytime that
we hear these like heavy topics, you know, whether you're
talking about death, whether you're talking about you know, depression
or anxiety or suicide. Like we're so quick to like
want to change the subject, you know, or we're self

(49:35):
centered because like, you know, they come to this guy
the context they come to Blood Worth for, you know,
trying to find a way to escape death. Technically he
gave them the way to escape death.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
The two ways.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
He gave two ways. Yeah, he gave him two ways
toeat cheat death and break this, break the cycle. But
like you know, they you know, because it wasn't what
they think. I I guess like essentially want it. You know,
we wanted this. We want this instant gratification. And I
think it kind of this movie feels very Western, and

(50:08):
I think it's what I'm trying to say, but also
at the same time, like it's it is also worth
noting that you look at this and you see, Bam,
this is like we need to be better about like
talking about these things and having those moments to breathe.
Because I agree with you, man, Like when I saw
this first time, I was so frustrated that I was like, man, like,

(50:30):
this is like really beautiful and then like five seconds later, Oh,
we're we're gonna break it up with a joke, Like
I was like, dude, like this is the last time
that Tony Todd will ever be on the skin screen
and you'll like undercut this emotional speech with a joke.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah. I mean when they put it together, did they know,
I mean, did they realize that that was going to
be the last time? Oh? I think I did.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Because also like when with those like first images and
like when you see Tony Todd, he looks like he's dying,
Like he's like he's very skinny, like you know, having
gone and like watched like Candy Man and this a
few days later, like you see like a night and
day difference from him, Like he's he's like noticeably like

(51:20):
very skinny, very slender. He but like there are articles
where like he didn't want makeup, he didn't want to
be like you know, digitally touched up. He wanted blood
Worth to look how he was because he you know,
he wanted his last character to be like where he

(51:42):
was at in life. And I think I think even
that like reminds us like about the like the the
fragile nature of life and again why it's why it's
precious and why it is this like fragile ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I mean, the fact that they wrote in a little
bit of what that he was sick was kind of
cool too. That they took his life and told him, Hey,
we're gonna base this off of you for the most part,
and the two directors said, tell us how you feel.
That's how they got that statement that you read off
a few minutes ago, was they literally told him, we

(52:20):
want you to explain to us how you feel. And
that's where that came from.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That was a good thing on the blue right.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
That's yeah, kind of curious about like, uh, if you
guys have like your your favorite favorite gags in this movie,
what what your favorite deaths would be?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
M MRI I.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
That MRI is is pretty bad. I thought I thought
Bobby's was gonna be like like yeah, I wasn't expecting
Bobby's to kind of be like that where he was like, yeah,
to eat like peanut butter, but then like go out
with like a vending machine spring like. It was kind
of weird.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
And although I don't know like if because even if,
how how fast it will screw like through and then
just kept half a stop of its head off like that,
I don't know if it's it's like it's a bit
of like a lot of things are just okay. Everything
everyone is made of Like yeah, I say, it's like

(53:30):
it's everyone is moosh like in the old like like
in real life it will maybe get stuck a bit,
and here it's just dip.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It like like it's all like it's if.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
You like everyone is made of cake, of bloody cake.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
It's just cut right through like it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I don't yeah, Like one of the ones that I
feel like doesn't get talked about enough. That was probably
my favorite one was Julia's death because.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
In the Garbage, Yeah, it was like it was like
the both like like the ricochet, like, oh, this could happen,
This could happen. It's like you could see like Stephanie
just kind of like bullshitting the entire time and then
likes like it it's not gonna it would never happen,
and then like you.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
See it happen exactly as she described now. It's like,
oh it's so hard, so hardcore, dude.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And the crazy thing about that scene is on that scene,
she had a single tier on one shot that they
shot and that's the one they used, and the way
that they shot that was I forgot what it's called,
but it's They had a mock trash truck basically, but
they had it to where like when you're measuring stuff,

(54:49):
where the metal bins and curves where it stops at
a certain point. They had her reaching through that with
her head where the metalot that her face but kept
going everywhere else. So was practical. And the other.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Clips the guy is and and things just formed around
the space. But it looks like it's got the gout
clean off.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah. So and one of the stunt coordinators and one
of the stunt the people that do the stunts help
with them and write them and everything. This he was
on final destination one, two, five and this one because
what they said, so he was.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
The movie also got like the oldest stunt to the woman,
right like the when the one who was covering fire.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Also, I want to throw this out there, that that
the Penny kid deserved the piano.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Oh I agree, I agree with you. I was mad
down the stairs and the piano. But I want to
know when he actually died, since she saved his life
by stopping all that, that's the one death. I really
want to know when it happened and what happened. What if?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
All right, so like what let's just say like he's
like a he grows up. He's a construction worker. You know,
there's like all those like old like construction films where
you got like all of the guys that are like
in New York City and they're all having these like
bag lunches on cranes. Like I just imagine someone's like
moving a piano into an apartment building and it just

(56:29):
like falls down like a freaking bugs bunny.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Or or the irony or like if this is irony,
that he really is up and then uh there there's
almost on top and another kid's frozen and hard. And
since people there in those films are made of spake,
it's just like just biggest right foods, like and you
just see when I go just.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, straight half.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Man. What about the penny though, the penny that wants
to go home and can't go home. I mean that
was the whole problem. In the original premonition, the kids
told the penny that's what caused the deaths, and in
the premonition it got to go back to the pond,
but she kept that penny, and that's the penny that
ended up on the train tracks.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah, it's like or did it all started related to
Abram Lincoln who was on the Penny Maybe it was
like he was on the Penny right, he was there.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They showed him taking it out, and it's supposed to
be bad luck to take something out when somebody's made
a wish. So that's where they were going with that.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
From what I I don't know. I kind of like
his idea like I did. It's like an alternative reality
where like John Wilkes Booth just like vis him, like
Lincoln wanted to like go live like a very long,
prosperous life.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I also had like like a very dark, very very
very dark idea for for a skids about about found Destination.
But I don't know if you can tell it here
maybe maybe it's too dark.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
We'll save it up.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Yeah, that's like it's it's it's based on what they
almost wanted to do in the film a bit suggested,
but they didn't.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
They when they're on the.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Before just before they just going to do with the
peanut butter thing, it's.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Like I was gonna say, I'm so glad that they
didn't go that dark. Yeah, I want.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
To go and then see what what happens in the
in the like after they decided to do that, and
then they sim to in the prison, but they because
they they killed so many, they are in prison for
four hundred years and it just won't die like they
in the state is going to be it's they're going
to be too far to.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Expect support of state.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
People say, have to feed him and then tried to
kill him, but that doesn't work because death doesn't allow.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
You just did the.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Year.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
But like that that that's where my mind goes sometimes
it's maybe it's it's it's quite dark.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I also think that this is, uh,
this is also the first time that we've ever seen
somebody escape death this long. I thought was like really
fascinating that we kind of got to explore that with
Iris throughout the course of this to where like even

(59:35):
I think this scene where like Stephanie meets her for
the first time and she gives her the book and
you can kind of see that like where she left
the like the magnifying Glass was like starting to like
get ready to like Slayer and like oh yeah, uh nope,
I'm I'm ahead of you, Like I know your tricks

(59:55):
by Now, It's like, it's cool to see that in
this universe that there is some and that like has
like understood death, that like they're not just kind of
like trying to outrun it, but like fully trying to
outsmart it, which is something I feel like we hadn't
seen in Final Destination before because you know, for the

(01:00:16):
majority of it, we're always trying to figure out the
patterns of like who dies and how are they gonna die?
You know, that was a really big emphasis on the
third one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
You know, So that scene her when she says I
see you you fuck is a callback to Final Destination
one when he's sitting in the cabin and he closes
that cab. Uh that it is because as a knife
coming through. So technically you're wrong because he was able
to see some of the stuff before it would happen

(01:00:45):
and he said I see you, you fuck.

Speaker 9 (01:00:49):
But Iris is older and technically the prologue to this movie, yeah,
before the events of the first film.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
True, true, but you see what I'm saying though, based
on the the video timeline, that was a callback, but
it is well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
You could also say that the Flight one eighty crew
that died were in fact, descendants of the Skyview incident.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
They're saying that all the movies had some kind of
person that was supposed to be on that incident. That
was the whole reason for the whole series was that
Bloodlines is saying, it's got the clips, it's got the
newspaper articles, and they're showing each death and showing that
they're related back to somebody that was in View.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I didn't pause it, and like, I didn't agnify it.
I'm just like, all right, I watched it. This is
from the fourth film. This is from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
All the all the red Lines connect to like family
members that connect back to the desks and everything from
the other Final Destinations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Fact.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Yeah, but can I also give them like a shout
out to another film I worked recently.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I don't know if you know it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Have you seen Jacob's letter?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Uh? The one with.

Speaker 9 (01:02:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
No, I have not, but I I am aware of
the concept of it. I know I need to watch it.
It's been on my list for like three years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Like about mental health Horde that that movie you actually
should have should shoot to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
It's it's quite dark.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
That's interesting. That's what I've heard too. Hmm, that's what
I've heard. I've heard it, So yeah, anything else we
I feel like, I feel like Bloodlines, we've talked about it.
I feel like we're all kind of neutral on this.
It's it's an okay movie.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
It's fine. It's just you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
You like, basically you go into see I want to
see creative gills and there's your movie, and don't expect
to Yeah, or they I'm curious if they're if they
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Maybe you could find a question.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
What if they're going to try to add something new
to the whole, to the whole thing what you wanted
to see, like maybe maybe a power from the other side,
or they gonna like go in total different direction of
what would you like to see in the next.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
One here, but they're already talking about Final Destinations seven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
So here's what I would like to see is I
would like to see if you're gonna do this, I
would like to see this concept done in another language.
I would love to see it, especially like I think
I think some Japanese directors would fuck really hard with this,
like get really creative with this, and I think, like

(01:03:55):
if this movie really does tie together all five other
insight sens is that happen, and now create a cohesive timeline.
I think I think you tied your I think you
wrote yourself into a quarter. So I think the only
way to like truly show this is to just say, hey,
all of these took place in the United States. We're

(01:04:18):
gonna do this, do an anthology series, but it's gonna
be different directors from all of the world. You know,
maybe show what this concept looks like in Japan. Maybe
show what it looks like in Australia, Show what it
looks like in you know, Canada. I would love like
I think, I think about yeah, Netherlands, like I think
about like, you know, Takashi Mikye Uh, the guy that

(01:04:41):
you know directed the Sadness. I think about the brothers
that did bring bring her back and talk to me.
I think that there is like so many different creative
voices that you could do. I think, honestly, if you
really wanted to get away from the only way now
to reinvent this franchise would be to like take it

(01:05:03):
like a Black Mirror style, do an anthology or a
Twilight Zone esque spin on this series, and you know,
show it in different centuries. Showed in different parts of
the world. Show it in crazy uh you know, doing it,
do it in anime style?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I'm I'm thinking about like you know, uh, Killer of Killers,
Uh Predator, that Predator anime that disc got released, you know,
Like I I think I would love to see something
like that take place in the Final Destination world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I do. I do know that the original concept for
this movie was going to be a ship, and then
they went away from it real quickly, So I don't
I would do like that. That's why they went away
from it. And I know I don't want that. I mean,
we had Titanic. We don't need another Titanic movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I was also gonna. I was also gonna say, go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Ship, got ship. Yeah, I mean, we've had enough movies
like that. I agree with you. Let it. Let somebody
take it over overseas in Japan or somewhere and come
in even with you on the anime Come on, Mia Mark,
got you watching anime now? So I'm gonna I'm gonna
root for the anime side.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Uh yeah, I think that's that's gonna be a great
segue to our closing thoughts in this movie. So with
that note, uh, next month. Our Summer of Fear is
shifting and into an entire month of anime for animate August,
but we will have to count two bonus episodes for
you guys. We're gonna be doing Ozzy Osbourne tribute episode

(01:06:43):
later this week and then we will also have Fantasia
out uh next week as well. Fashion. Thank you so
much for joining us and staying dating because it's so
late where you are.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Oh, I'm very tired. I'm very tired.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
That's also where where it doesn't help because I always
talk and the same energy, but like so tired, some
of my senses doned. Like I'm sorry if I am
too remilly on talking then, but it's mostly because I'm
actually very very tired.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
That's all good, my guy. Well, once again, the movie
is called Citron. We are going to be having its
US premiere at Perfect Hot Film Vessel this week this year,
August fifteenth and sixteenth. It is going to be closing
out our Saturday night August sixteenth for the Let's Start
a Cult block along with Peter Noster and the Mission

(01:07:35):
of Light celebrating it's Virginia premiere. Tickets are now on
sale now. You guys can click the links in the
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Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
On the instagram at so yeah, this is probably also
put it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
In the information.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Yeah, just Facebook and Instagram, so to find me there
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if you're Philando Box, I'm also on there.

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Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Always nice to to see what people think and uh,
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you also liked the film.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
That's something I can for us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
But thanks for having uh yeah me in the podcast.
Thanks for screening my film. It's all yeah, it's a
I'm it's a been a bit of a tough right
with the film and film festival. So so it's uh
glad that I got the chance to screen. I'm very
happy with it and hopefully people enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I'll tell him this. This was the first film
we watched. It was the very first submission, so real nice.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, this first fell we the first felm we got
got submitted and it was the first film we knew
we had a program, So kind of all of the above.
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