September 10, 2025 • 55 mins
We’re staring into the abyss of 2003’s High Tension to see what will gaze back. Mark is up next for Surprise September and he brought the incredibly impactful, High Tension. Jonathan Perez, of Latinos Against Spooky Shit, joins us to discuss his projects, balancing comedy with horror, cryptids and more. On the cinema side, we discuss everything from the film’s impact, surprise ending, the mental health of rejection and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Here you are listening to a Biscaysing, a horror podcast
where we celebrate all things spooky and mental health.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm still your co host, Mark.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm your other co host, Billy, I mean Brandon.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
And after a few weeks on the road, I am
back again.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My name is Josh, and I am so happy to
be here for surprise September. Was really bummed I missed
last week. I love the voices. It's such a great
underrated movie. But this one is also just as good.
And this is Mark's pick, But Mark, this is your pick,
this is your guest. Hit us with it in those introductions.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So I have this weird obsession with like paranormal videos
and ghost hunting videos. And I came across latinos against
spooky shit a while back and Jonathan over here, and
it's it's kind of a comedy spin on some of
these ghost videos you said you see and it's absolutely
(01:24):
hilarious and great. And this has been a long time
coming because I think there's been emails and texts for
all the year to get him on. So I believe you.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Were real until I log on this.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I'm elusive. I'm my own.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, the Wonders of email filters. So but here we are,
and we're going to have a fun time because we
were already joking like a bunch of best friends before
we even started.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, but before we start the interview process, what is
your pick for us price September?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Mark the was it two thousand and three French movie
High Tension, which Josh. Josh was unexpectedly happy about because
he usually hates every movie.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I pick facts, but I really really fucks hard with
some of the early two thousands French extreme movement, Like
it's really solid.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I just thought it would be fun because we hadn't
covered it and it shows up and a lot of
your recommended slasher horrorless it's I just thought it'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let me just say that this, this surprise September is
gonna get weird really fast.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I know what Brandon, I know what Brandon got, I
know what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So what we will get into that at the end
of the episode.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
But Jonathan my man tell us a little about uh
latinos against spooky shit.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
What I want to thought of this.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
For those that don't know me, my name is Jonathan
and I run managed operate and usually bankrupt Latinos against.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Spooky ship depending on where I'm traveling to.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
And I just fucking I make fun of fucking the
white people doing dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Like it's kind of the bit. Honestly.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I love leaning into my culture, a Mexican border Mexico,
raised in Seattle, and I love talking about all those
things that like made a Latin household a Latin household
La chankla. You know the sandal that you got your
ass beat with the Vics, that anytime that you were
sick or had a headache or a burn, you would.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Put that shit on you.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
You know, the big old synthetic fiber blankets with the
pandas and the tigers on it. Just all these fucking
cultural nuances and uh, and then we ended up here.
We just ended up sucking flying close to the sun.
And we haven't burned up yet. Baby, we haven't fucking melted,
but we're thriving.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I think I did I read correctly. You also
have a podcast with one of your friends as well.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
That's right, I should probab talk about all the other
shit I do.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I've also cut.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Tabletop Tempest, which is a t TRPG actual play channel
that we run as of the kind of time of
this recording. We just got nominated for our sixth of
Festival for Actual Play for this year, so super fucking excited.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
It was I think New.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Jersey Webfest or Sydney Webfest one of the ones. But
super stoked for all the stories we get to tell.
We get a real dice tell stories. It is a
channel that we came up with because we wanted stories
from minority groups to be told that aren't being told.
It's ran by immigrants and or the children of immigrant parents,
but we're super.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Proud of it.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
We also got the Spooky guys, the spooky guys being
ran by myself and the cats out of the Bag
my ex wife's husband who we get along with fu.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Right yeah, as yep, but we fucking get all. So
it's funny because we share the same birthday. We're also
into video games. It's just very weird.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But we is this just you from like another timeline
where things like it's.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
A it's a variant of me if I were white and.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Went into the army, and I'm like, okay, cool, same
sense of humor.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Super cool guy.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I love him to death.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But the spooky guys we take.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Turns talking about cryptids and serial killers and real life
cases and also like conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So it's just kind of a fucking mixed bag of
random chaos and stuff.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
That sounds fun. I'm gonna fall down Spotify right now, so.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
On all major changels.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So I know, as a lifelong horror fan h and
as someone that makes would probably make really dumb decisions
if he had.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The survival it's a white thing. It's yes, you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I might question is like, when you guys are creating
content for latinos against spooky shit, how do you guys
kind of create consistent content that doesn't feel redundant the
way that we see continuous white characters make those same
mistakes and horror movies.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
That is such an interesting question because that's something I
struggle with. Part of the imposter syndrome of content creation
and everything right is how do I keep the stress
without being repetitive. Also, my ego.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Doesn't allow me to tell the same jokes.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
I might tell the same style of jokes, but like
to repeat a bit like I can't like like it's
got to be a really good bit, but I can't
give you a verbatim joke, So that forces me to
have to be like, all right, how the fuck am
I gonna make fun of this one? What can I
pull out of my what I think is niche childhood
history that is actually a very common theme in Latin
(06:49):
American culture. You know, like a lot of people in
Latin like South America, didn't realize that VIX was a
big thing. Some people don't have VIX, they have tiger
Bomb that their family use, but it's the same thing.
So you know, you end up planning out like, oh ship,
we're all just like super similar and my unique experience
is just not that unique.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
But I get to use that and pull from it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
So everything that I talk about and joke about are
things that I like, I've gone through.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
So a lot of it just comes from pulling from experience.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I could do that living in Alabama.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
That we say and us here are different from her,
Josh and Mark are.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean, I'm not far from you. I am still
in the Deep South.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So yeah, yeah, you're you're from Virginia originally, which is
two different versions of.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There from the Appalachians.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Were related to each.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Yeah, my wife is actually my sister and my cousin.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You heard it here from.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
She's sitting over here and she just looked at me
like I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I just I love seeing like the paranormal, the more serious,
and then I like to see the stuff that just
makes fun of it and the stuff people do. And
I think that's how I ultimately came across you and
got it just a kick out of it. Just scrolled
through one night, sitting there like everybody does, laying in
bedboard watching TV doom, scrolling and like going through all
(08:18):
the videos, like dude, this is fucking awesome. And I
turned to my wife. I was like, you have to
see this. This is great. She's sitting there laughing and
we're just scrolling through the videos one at a time
and it's it's great content. It's great videos. If you
haven't seen them, I would highly recommend it.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, it was a fun little niche that I found
myself in. I definitely didn't expect it to happen the
way it did, but I'm glad it did.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm kind of curious always for anybody that kind of
gets into the world of crippets, where it's for a podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Or for filmmaking or for a short film.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
With that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Book, novel whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Obviously there are a lot of like mainstream ones that
are out there, but then they're you know, you've got Sasquatch,
the fucking mothman, like you know. So, like my question is,
like what is the research process like for you guys
trying to like dig down and bring something new to
the table that not everyone is doing that is in
kind of that same niche.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yeah, so we obviously you can you know, use Wikipedia,
you can use all these articles to like pull from
like the mainstream of things.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
We like to go to the local city.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Like if we have a pinpoint city for example, you know, Mothmaan,
we obviously know that it's in Massachusetts and all that
fun stuff, Like we can pinpoint it down to the city,
start going through local.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Newspapers and everything of the area.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
We usually our process because we record in bulk, which
gives us like usually two to three week breathing room
in between, like when we release another chunk of episodes out,
we can be pretty thorough with with what we're looking
at and thinks of the power of the internet as well,
we can look up those local newspapers. You can go
to your you know, local library, from the East co
(10:00):
and they'll have most you know, things uploaded in some
sort of digital format, so we can look at the
original source versus this regurgitated, water down version of you know,
clickbait material that you sometimes find.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But sometimes you do have to sift through that.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
You have to compare notes and be like, okay, I've
got sick different sources here. Let's cross check what sounds
the same, what is different in each of them, and
kind of try to filter through the truth. So unfortunately,
there's a couple of things where we're.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Never gonna know right.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It's been passed down you know, telephone so often that
the story's changed and evolved over time, and we're never
gonna know the real one. But it's a matter of
just trying to find the most consistent stories and telling those.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And then also finding niche things.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
We started googling small towns in the smallest towns in
the US, and we wanted to start there, like just
tiny little hell whole towns, no offense, hell whole towns,
but fucking hey, let's be for real, You're not gonna
fucking see.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
This, so, you know, just going.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Through there and starting because these little towns have like
weird little folklore and tales and legends and things that
you know, you never think about until you start looking
at them. Eventually, I want to get to the point
of going to these little towns and like interviewing people
that I have been there for five, six, seven generations
and just you know, talking to them about what their
family used to do and tell them would hunt them
(11:24):
in the middle of the night other than their uncle
or I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
We have a cool one. I'm I'm in the Memphis area,
and we have a cool one about two hours south
of us and apparently was a town where they did
a lot of like I think it was a stop
on the train lines for like shipping and everything, and
as the country developed, it moved away from there after
(11:48):
I think, like the Civil War. There's only like eight
people that live there now and this entire town and
it's one of those towns where it's just they've been
there forever and the last of these couple families are
are still there, but the town is essentially abandoned. Outside
of those couple of people, I don't really want to
go visit it.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
We got a place, uh, it's a little town close
where we really called Hayden and they have a road
it's called it's called Jack Jack Cole Road, and there's
like an old legend that way back in the day,
some witch lived down it and there was like a
bunch of people that hated her. And I can't remember
the story on the top of my head, but something
(12:29):
happened where she like got murdered in her house.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And but like.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Well, this road, there's probably like three or four houses
on it, and every few years something weird happens. And
the last thing, some woman that lived on it, her
house caught on fire and when and when the fire
truck got there, the woman was nowhere, no body nothing.
This woman's been missing for what I think ten years now, geez.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And there's like a bunch of stories, you mean, living
your best life in Fiji with her insurance.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Maybe or she's hanging that with a witch.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I don't know. But like people have been out.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
There Tua, like they found like, yeah, she could be
people have found.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like like what they say is the witch is grave
out there. It's really crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
But I'm afraid to go out there because I've heard
too many crazy things happened to your vehicles.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And you're on this trip.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So we had a we had a bridge that was
like that where back when I grew up, I had
a drummer that the one of the bands I was
in high school that lived like five minutes from this place,
and if you went. Legend was that if you went
there after, like a woman had hung herself, and like
if you went there after midnight, like you could still
hear her suffocating or something to that extent.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't know, so I guess the real question out
of all of this, have you had any paranormal experiences
or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I have.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I've had two experiences that I have often talked about.
The first one was a premonition of my death when
I was nine or ten.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Set the scene Seattle, Washington for nineteen. No, it was
circa two thousand and one, two thousand and two. Actually,
we're in a truck. I'm in the back along with
this girl my age who's related to the driver, and
then my aunt's in the passengers see me and girling
back playing laughing, ha ha, doing.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Our thing whatever. We'm bumbered bumber traffic.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
And for those people that know Seattle, in some areas
we got trains coming. We got the train crossings and
all that kind of stuff. Pretty basic, pretty simple, bumbered
number traffic. We're going, we're going. We're going over the
train tracks, right, because you have to for traffic purposes
to keep gone. We get on the train tracks and
then the guardrails come down and it starts blaring that
the train's coming, and me and this little girl are
(14:51):
freaking out. Well, we can't move because it's traffic and
there's no way out, like just just more.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Track and.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
What would be second before the train hits us. We're
back three cars behind where we would have been on
the train tracks. Me and the little girl are screaming.
My aunt and her mom, the girl's mom, are like,
why are you guys screaming? What's happening? We're crying. We're like,
don't get on the train tracks. We're gonna get stuck.
We're gonna get stuck. Like what are you talking about? Like,
don't get on the train tracks. Traffic keeps moving right
(15:20):
before we get on the train tracks. We pull off
because there's a dirt road. We pull off, and sure enough,
a couple seconds later, rails come down.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Minute or two later, train comes blaring through.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
So there had been some malfunction with the alert system
that they used that usually gives you like a five
minute warning before a fucking train shows up, and it
had alerted way too late, so somebody would have gotten
stuck on there, and we somehow knew that it was
going to happen. So this little girl just freaked out.
Apparently we had gone from like playing and talking to
just like being dead silent and staring out our respective windows,
(15:53):
just dissociating, and then both at the same time, without warning,
started crying out loud about the train.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So, geez, where is he for our Final Destination series?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
He would have had a good perspective on those movies.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, well, well the Final Destination sevens apparently in the work.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I'm black and do Final Destination.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, I already got the second invite. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, we're gonna take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
When we get back, we are going to talk about
Mark's pick for Surprise September.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
This is high tension. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (18:18):
Welcome back to a Biscays a horror podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
We are jumping into two thousand and threes high tension.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Mark take us away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, so it's some friends headed out to the one
friend's house in the middle of like nowhere. It's I
think it's like a farm or something.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Some friends. It's fucking two of them.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, let's get it right here, Mark.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Some implies like more than one?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Okay, Mark, Mark didn't? Mark? Did did you fail math?
That's cool?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, I'm actually good at math. It's kind of scary.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
No, No, Mark, math not math?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah that too.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But yeah, it's two friends are headed to one of
the friends family's house in the middle of the country.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Alex, what Marie and Alex?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know how good I am with names. Don't start
with your ship.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I know I am starting with my shop. I haven't
been here for two weeks, so what do you expect?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's been nice?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Uh you I thought you calling me Latino was because
of your shorting my name, not because you forgot my name.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Whatever he is, Uh, he is a Latino heat.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
For now on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
There you go. I love that's good.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But yeah, they and while they're there, someone shows up
and starts killing the family and it's a blood violent
fest for about an hour and a half with a
nice little twist.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I am kind of curious.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
God, I was just gonna say when you for listeners,
if you haven't watched it, don't plan on watching it.
When they say someone just showed up, they literally mean
that they just fucking showed up. I wish there was
more context to that other than that fucker is just there.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Let's just unpack that, because that is what I think
makes this movie so effective.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, there is no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Whereas like you look at like the foundation of the
slasher genre, like you know, uh, Texas Chancel Massacre and
fucking Black Christmas and Halloween, all three of those. Never
one of them needed to explain why the motivation of
the killer was. No one knew why Billy was the
way he was, or why the shape was the way
(20:41):
that he was, or a fucking leather face, Like that's
what made that so appealing, and then you get like, oh,
we're gonna genre, we're going to franchise this, and we're
gonna explain all of this stuff, and it loses their potency.
That's part of the reason when like, yeah, it's part
of the reason that I'm just like, dude, like I
appreciate what Rob Zombie did or you know what Michael
(21:05):
Bay tried to do with that remake, but like also
at the same time, like it's just fucking scary that,
like this house is terrifying that it lives in the
middle of nowhere and this guy just happens to like
show up, Like I mean he literally had to go
out of their way because they're like half a mile
off like the middle of nowhere. So it's not like
(21:26):
there's like signs to it. It's like you have to
know this destination.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, he's also his first appearance. He shows up like
skullf Yeah, a severed head. Yeah, that's his first appearance
in the movie.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, which I mean, we've all been there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's Thursday's.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I But I think that's part of what makes it
interesting is when you get to the end and find
out what's really going on. It turns the whole movie
and of what the fuck just happened.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
It was a big brain fuck. It was.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
It wasn't It wasn't right because it was one of
those things for me, I was like, this seems weird.
I feel like storytelling elements weren't that different twenty years ago,
so why is it missing these beats that I'm used to.
I'm like, Ah, it's the French. That's why they don't
fucking know what they're doing. That that's what's happening when
it's like, no, they're telling a good story. This is
proper storytelling. It's just that they started at the end.
(22:31):
And that's what threw me off because I'm not used
to movies beginning with the finale leading back into itself.
But yeah, the dude, the dude's appearance that the again
high tension, right, But it's such a palpable feeling that
I felt when they were driving in the car together
and I'm like, they're flirting, but she doesn't know that
(22:52):
they're flirting. And and then I was like, oh, maybe
I'm reading into it. Maybe it's just the French coming out,
you know it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Fine, Well, that ending is like, Nope, all you though
it were less correct?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is so correct me if I'm wrong. They don't really
show his full face until like the last couple sequences.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
God, it's either.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The brim of his hats over his face or he's
looking over something, but his face is covered, sir, almost
the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Even when he's in the gas station, like the way
the lighting is, like you can still only see like
the brim or like the bags underneath his eyes, Like
you don't actually see the full face until it is
like probably the last like twenty minutes of the movie.
And I think that's what makes this movie so goddamn
effective is that it it does hide it, but it's
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like it's not. It has this level of groundedness to
it to where it's like, we're not going to hide
it under William Shatner mask, or we're not going to
hide it under you know, a store bought like costume,
cocky mask, costume, whatever you want to say. And that's
nothing to like, it's not a slide towards any of
those movies. But I think this movie really has a
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level of groundedness to it. The fact that like this
guy literally just is an average Joe. Yeah, he's just
an average guy. Yeah, and like is just doing these
like horrific things.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think the other because visually obviously right, the lack
of definition on this this entity that is you know,
is human yet is doing very inhuman things or inhumane
I guess. But for me, it was also the leather
creak of every step he took. There was this this
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ominous feeling of foreboding the way that he walked. It
wasn't just the footsteps, because you can hear heavy footsteps anywhere,
and like, oh, that's a person to hear this leather,
Because leather you think, Okay, a butcher, you think he's
a farm hand, he's a rat. Like it adds so
much more to him without saying.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Anything, Yeah, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like the way that they build this guy up I
think is quite impressive, you know, because this comes at
the beginning where like horror was such an interesting place
in this the time of this release, to where it
was kind of fading out of that renaissance that Scream
(25:36):
gave us in the mid to late nineties, that slasher boom.
But at the same time, like it was right around
the time that there was starting to be that jay
horror pop of the late nineties early two thousands. It
was right before we kind of got stepped into the
torture porn and these like really grotesque violent remakes of
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the classics like Texas, chancell On Massacre, Andyville Horror, et cetera. Uh,
And this movie, I think really kind of showed a
different sign because I think this, I think of this
movie and I think of Irreversible.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
When you talk about French extremisms and.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
How unique they are compared to a lot of the
films we were getting around Stateside, I think that's what
made them such such an impact and to this day
has made them.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So celebrated within the genre to this day.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
There's almost a silliness to the Gore too that didn't
didn't make it. It made it palatable in a way that
I was like, oh, you're not just doing gore for
the sake of gore. It's gruesome in a very realistic
way that it would go to choose this like this
is kind of ahead of the time.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
I just watched this movie for the first time like
an hour and a half ago. For reasons I still
very confused.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Was the guy is the guy real so are we gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, please help me.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So the beginning, the beginning of the movie takes place
after everything, and she's sitting there, You're never going to
leave me again in a psych ward all cut up
and everything, and then the where they show the guy
axing the store clerk and the gas station where he
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asked him a question. They showed the security video where
it's her. Yeah, So basically it was kind of almost
like a schizophrenic multiple personality kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Okay, she was him.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Okay, you want to if you want to deep dive
a little further than that. He was a manifestation of
her desire for her friend. Yeah, oh, an obsession with
her because if you notice, everybody else kept her alive.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
What I think is kind of really interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The scene in particular, I think is really interesting to
consider is after the break in. It's like right at
the beginning of the second act, and he gets into
the car back into the van, and he like takes
the picture that he had had from her before he
like kidnapped her and kind of like carved it out
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of the frame and then you see the like the
rear view mirror is just like filled with like other
what we can assume to be victims, are those like
Marie's like previous victims as well?
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Do you think I don't know if they're like actual
victims of Marie having killed them.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
I think they're victims of.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Her trauma and of the way that she has you know,
been in relationships.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, that's an interesting day on it. I hadn't thought
of that. I was wondering about the whole victims thing too. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Mean you think about it. You know, anybody is.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
A victim of you know, PTSD or of an abusive relationship,
like you.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Are a victim of that.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
So I think I think it's an interesting take of
because it highlights certain parts which I think, you know,
because it was there was one where it was just
like cut out of like the chest or breast. The
other was like a you know, another girl's face. I
think it's the over sexualization of an obsession of Marie
with their partners and the ones that you know, she victimized.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I also think it's really interesting to consider, is that,
like when you look at the concept of like you know,
wanting to kill or wanting to pause violence, it doesn't
just start. It's not birth out of a place where
someone just wakes up the first day and be like,
you know what, I think today is the day, you know,
I'm going to go to my local bank and just
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create chaos. Like That's not really how it happens, despite
what we think. You know, it eventually kind of starts
at a place of brokenness and eventually kind of is
birthed along the way to those things. And what I
like about the interpretation about the trauma is that, you know,
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those could have been people that hurt you know, I
am definitely a person that has multiple relationships that have
hurt me in the past, and that each of those
traumas have shaped me and molded me in ways that
have been both good and bad. And so I think
that it's really interesting to kind of look at her
and kind of see that maybe Alex was the breaking point,
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you know, maybe she had had enough rejection and maybe
at this point for her, the only a logical thing
in her mind that she had left was violence.
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Speaker 6 (31:55):
Today we're seeing the tipping point, the boiling over of
everything of years of Yeah, because it starts with them
talking about Alex's sexual exploits and Marie, I'm sure, having
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been rejected time and time again at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
She wasn't gonna get rejected this time.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
The thing about like rejection, too, right, is that like
you can only like you can only take so far,
so much of it before there is a breaking point
whatever that looks like. You know, for some people it
might be an alcohol vender. For some people, it might
be drugs. For some people it might be self harm.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
You know, change of lifestyle in general.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Change of lifestyle, Like I mean, there are so many
different ways that you can you can interpret that, you know,
and maybe we just kind of see the most extreme
version here to where maybe she has been rejected so
many times, or she's had her heart broken so many times,
and over time, I mean, those things like they really
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do tend to add up, and especially if you are
just bottling them up, that bottle eventually is going to
give way and it is going to have to explode
because there's no more space left to contain the trauma.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, you were talking about people don't just wake up
to killing, and we talk a lot about mental health,
mental disorders, things like that, and some of the topics
Jonathan said you said you cover is like true crime
and stuff. But when they get into like serial killers,
there's people with them with the same conditions that live
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normal lives. Serial killers are a perfect storm of certain
mental conditions and environment factors.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yes's usually brain trauma of some sort abusive parents, you know,
they do.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
The killing of small animals.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Like, there's there's a lot of fucking tiltale signs when
it comes, and we've you know, determined.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
A lot of them at this point in time.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But when it comes to like you know, disassociative mental
illness like schizophrenia and you know, being bipolar and everything
else like that, and then in this case, like we
don't know how long it's been happening, we don't know
if there were signs or now we're just seeing the
the climax of it all.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Do they go hard?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, it's just I really tried. When I picked this movie,
I had gone through a bunch of movies and couldn't
find any of them. I was like, we've talked about this,
let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
By the way, well, some of the movies I was
gonna see some of the movies that high tension had
to compete within this era, DreamCatcher, Darkness, Falls, Wrong, Turn Underworld,
Freddy Versus Jason the first one. So like, it's interesting
that we were kind of going for a high action
type of gore with our horror. So you're right, the
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two thousands was kind of an interesting time horror to exist. Well,
French kind of went a little.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Ahead of their time, I think with what they were
doing this one.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
The if you look at the if you look at
the Japanese stuff from that same time period, it's more psychological,
it's more mentally driven, like the Ring and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But when other countries, I think horror is really interesting
again to consider around this time because it almost kind
of seems like there's a loss of identity to where
we don't know what we want to do, you know,
So we got these things like remakes, and you know,
we're like always kind of trying to push the level
of gore. So you have things like Saul and Hostile
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coming out around this same time. But then you have
other people, other countries like Japan and France that are
saying like we want to take these kind of like
more classical things like ghosts and the supernatural elements or
like real true terror, and these are the stories that
we want to explore. And you know, Jonathan, you listing
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off all of those movies, like all of those movies,
a lot of them are you know, ip D, Dream Catchers,
Stephen King One, Freddie Versus Jason, you know a lot
of Darkness Falls is such a weird little film. Yeah, yeah,
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Wrong Turn was original, But like you know, you have
these movies that like I don't know, like they they
have kind of just become niche films over the time
they were they didn't fit in IP they they found
a niche. They became cult classics, whereas like I feel
like a movie like High Tension like really challenges what
our concept of gore and how it can be used
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and psychological thrillers and how it can be used and
really makes you like stop to think about something like this,
because this is a movie that essentially like locks you.
It's kind of like toys around with you for like
the first like ten to fifteen minutes. But there is
a moment that once this film like hits its threshold
around the twenty minute mark, maybe twenty five minutes, it
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literally does not stop crawling underneath your skin until the
credits roll. Like this is a movie that literally draws
you to the edge of your seat and like handcuffs
you there.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Yeah, it really pops your head off you like that
one guy.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Damn, damn, It's it's a slow burn for the first
like you said, for the first one.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Minutes.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But yeah, when it pops off, it pops off like
it goes hard right off the bat. I and again
now knowing what the end is, right with her being
two different people essentially, I did reword. So I just
watched it last night, and as soon as it was done,
because I was like, I'm gonna watch this, make sure
I do my homework, go to Bedterly i was done, I.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Was like, hold on, wait a minute, I got to
start this again.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
And I went back and I started skipping through sections
just to watch it.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
And it's so interesting.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
It's so interesting watching it now knowing what you know,
seeing the performance being put on, and being like, holy shit,
like this is really good. Like there's hints that you
don't catch it till much after, and so it's a
very well done film. I think they've only not the French,
but like in general, I've only seen like one or
two other movies that really like does this type of
thing where the good guy's the bad guy the whole time,
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you know, concept, but fucking one of the.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Best dot I've seen.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's really hard to kind of make that juxtaposition work
and it not feel cheesy.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
And I think this movie lends to it.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But I also really want to say that, like one
of the things that I've forgot about this is like
the juxtaposing opening credits and the way that you have
these intense visuals, the way that kind of mimic the
intensity that's getting ready to come up in twenty to
thirty minute, and these like cutaway run scenes like that.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Really, like I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Like watching it for the podcast was like, shit, like
this movie is about to potentially fuck me up.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, it had been a while since I had seen it.
I vaguely remembered some of the like kills in it
and the basic story, but rewatching it again, it was
like I didn't remember all this Holy shit, It's like.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I do.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But yeah, like you were saying, it's one of those like, uh,
the prestigious one. You watch it the first time and
you get to the end and it's like, oh shit,
that was awesome, And then you watch it again and
you pick up all the stuff you missed, and this
is kind of the same way. The first time you
see it's like what the hell did I just watch?
Like like our friend Brendan here, he got done with
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he got done with it. And immediately since the message
like I don't understand, but I just watched.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I had to go back and do things.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
And that's why I asked me to go like what
was going on, because I still wanted to make sure
I got I got it right, So I had to
ask hed, ask the expert here, Mark, because you apparently
know everything. Mark made a comment earlier that I'm not
an actual horror fan because I like everything.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So so Mark's over here gatekeeping.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I'm almost kind of curious too, like some of the
going back to the kind of curious on your guys this,
sometimes there are really bad habits that are birthed out
of I think good intentions, and one of those being
I think the the opening.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Scene emergency I'll be brought back, Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think the ending of the beginning where they're kind
of like talking on the way to Alex's parents house,
you kind of almost get this like sense that like
Marie's like really lonely, and I'm almost kind of curious,
you know, when you're talking about this like fear of
isolation or being alone, especially in a romantic setting, a
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sense like I definitely feel like that also plays a
toll in your mental health and can definitely burth some
like really bad habits. You know, when I am kind
of going through some of my current my own current shit,
like being alone and being isolated has been a really
bad catalyst for some really bad habits. Typically I will
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pick up the phone and call one of the people
that are on this call, minus Jonathan because I just
met him an hour ago. But like, you know that,
like reaching out has been something that has been a
huge help on my mental health and the embrace of community.
And sometimes if you don't, if that is absent from
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your story or from whatever, it's really hard to kind
of escape that space. And that's kind of almost the
space that it feels like we find Maria and Marie
and sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well, you kind of start to wonder what's wrong with you?
What have you done wrong?
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Absolutely, why is this kind of stuff happening to me?
Kind of thing? And you get lost in that whole
mindset of it.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
There is a.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Interesting aspect to everything when you look at it through
the lens of Alex. I think and realize Alex is
just taking her friend to meet her parents for the
first time and have a good time, and she thinks
that they're just you know, girls experiencing college and to
be woken up to your family being murdered, the shock
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out of it all, right, And I think there is
the right if I'm putting myself in Alex's shoes, there's
got to be a were there signs kind of moment,
especially at the end when you know she's still there,
because if she didn't still care about her realizing that
this was a mental health crisis, would she still be
at the psych word looking and asking about her right?
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If this was a criminal who was doing malicious things
out out of evil, she wouldn't give a shit. She
would throw away the keys, throw her in jail, move
on with your life, and get therapy. But the fact
that still asking questions still there, I think she started
realizing were there signs of her try to reach out?
And was I not picking up on them? Because I'm
guilty of that, Yeah, reaching out and trying to ask
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for help and not knowing how. Sometimes whether it's pride
or whether it's you know, my own insecurities, whatever it
might be, people you know tend to have a way
that they try to reach out in their own manner.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, And I think that's probably one of the One
of the biggest things that like as a culture we
need to kind of get better about is like normalizing
what those warning signs are, right, like learning them at
their foundation, at their bedrock before we really get to
see dangerous stuff happen. You know, like a lot of
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a lot of you know, you take a movie like
High Tension, A lot of this could be avoided if had,
you know, there been better communication, Have there been you know,
a more better, better warning science. And sometimes like the
thought of depression like really fucks you up because you
feel like you're alone, that you deserve to be alone,
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that you're not worthy of friendships, or that in in
the in the flip side, that is that nobody thinks,
nobody knows that like oh, no one's going to know,
or no one's going to care, or like if I
reach out, like is it actually going to make a
difference type of thing, right?
Speaker 8 (45:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And I mean, but at the same time, how redeemable
was she she killed the dog? That's what everybody wants
to know about movies.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
You don't you know what, it's not just the dog
the kid and one gunshot.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
I get you got to hit him with both barrels.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Fock.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
As crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
She's she's just not well, you know, but hopefully by
the end of the movie's she's taking steps to get well.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So I think when I watched it the other night,
they start going through the flashbacks at the end of
what happened, and at the beginning they show her going
to the cornfield and come back and Alex is leaving
and she calls her an asshole everything. At the end,
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the way they make it look is that she left.
When they do the flashback, it looks as though she left,
and it almost comes across as that was kind of
the tipping point at that hour.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Of the breaking point.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
You could also look at it from a psychological perspective
of in that scene, specifically Marie constantly chasing after Alex
and then realizing that Alex doesn't care and will leave
her behind romantically, emotionally because she can't talk about these
other guys that she's with, and that cornfield is her
trying to navigate her emotions and coming to terms with
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Alex isn't in the cornfield with me. We're not here together,
We're not doing this. At the same time, Alex will
leave if she has.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
To, And the first time you see the Killer Is
in the Cornfields. Yes, it's a trippy movie.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It really is very true.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have anything else to add, Mark,
So if you got to anything laid on me.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I just I remember what the first time I watched
it was kind of like the same reaction Brandon and
Jonathan are having that It's like, what the fuck did
I just watch? It was just so different. Yeah, it
was so different from what was coming out while still
being relevant to the genre.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
I think I will say, God, I was just gonna say,
there's one scene that could have been cut a lot
shorter that I would have been fine with, and it
would have been it would have saved like four or
five minutes. And it's at the end, near the end,
when Marie's in the car going after the guy, and
there's that car chase scene that just it's just a
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little too long and served no composition or purpose in
the storytelling.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
It could have cut it. They could have cut it
a little shorter.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
That's literally my only complain about this film.
Speaker 8 (47:57):
Oh he's back, Hey, sorry, sorry, take care or something.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
No like that's what's one of those things that like
I agree like there are certain things that I feel
like could be tightened up, but like to mark to
your point, like this movie I think, I think French
horror from what I've seen in French films and in general,
are have just this way of almost having this elegance
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of dealing with these like really horrific topics and kind
of like really blaming it. Like I brought up Irreversible later,
like Irreversible is one of the hardest films I've ever
seen to sit through and is like just such a
mind fuck excellent movie. It's a five out of five
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for me, but it's one of the hardest things. But
there's an elegance to the way that it's shot and
the way that it's edited, and the way that it
actually presents its subject matter, whereas like I feel like
to an extent, I feel like here Stateside, like it's
not always the case when we have these like types
of films, like we're like, oh, we're going to talk
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about all of these like really grotesque and we're gonna
make it as graphic as possible, Like there's no real
reason to do that.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
But I do want to.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Talk about the fact that this is like one of
the first films from me pull letterboxes. I'm gonna butcher.
This guy's name Alejandra or Alex Yeah, Alexandri Alex uh
a jah that guy.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
But I mean this guy what happened.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
To sneeze Sneeze man, he had a stroke Alexandre. Yeah,
I mean this guy's gone on to do like some
like really impressive films.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Got some solid movies in this list.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Crawl, Uh, Piranha, Hills have Eyes, Oxygen Horn I haven't
seen ever, Leo, I recognize him. Yeah, Yeah, I mean
this guy's got like one of just the craziest like
pedigree of uh stuff, I mean awesome mirrors P Two,
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Like I mean this movie like really good. Yeah, this
movie like really opened up a door for him in
American cinema. Like there are so many like underlining films
that like he's done and experimented with over the years,
and that.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
All starting is you don't hear his name.
Speaker 8 (50:35):
Hm hmmm, because like I don't really like movies like Crawl,
like the like I guess like Animal or whatever kind
of movie like that my favorite. But that's like one
of the few that I really was impressed with, Like
really that one really got me it.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
And like he has like a way like you know
with I feel like with Horns and Baranha, I think
those are like two more lighthearted, more kind of like goofy,
slapsticky type of movie. But then like, yeah, then you
look at a movie like Krawl and you definitely see
that same level of anxiety, that birth high tension, like
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there is, like God, the anxiety that I felt watching
Krawl is just insane. It's such a good movie. But yeah,
I'm with Brandon. I normally don't like creature feature movies
like that, but he just has a way of, uh
really doing a good job when it comes to like anxiety.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
That fuck, I'm sorry it did.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
No, I I totally agree with you.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
What was that The Hills Have Eyes? The remake from
the remake it?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, huh the original I think was John Carpenter Wes Craven. Okay,
I knew it was one of them. I couldn't remember
exactly which one. I had a empty shot.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
I didn't realize it was a remake.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Huh. Yeah, they did one and two back in the
super early eighties.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh, the first ones like early seventies and then the seventies. Yeah,
first one's early seventies, and I think the second one's
like late seventies, early eighties. Okay, I don't remember if
the second one came before after Swamp Thing.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well yeah, but yeah, the newer Hills have Eyes. Yeah,
that was a remake. I didn't mind the remake too much.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
It's it's it's great, it's fine, it's it's fine. So
but I think that's gonna do it for us on
this episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
So before we jump into socials, I will give So
next week is my week for Surprise September, and I'm
bringing my friend Zambies with me because I love to
get weird as fuck and this movie celebrates ten years
this year. So I am bringing you guys all the
way from uh freaking Poland. I am bringing you guys
(52:59):
the movie called The Lore, which you can't see right
now because my filter is on.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
There. It is. It is a movie called The Lore.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
If you guys want to stream along with us, I
believe it is on Max right now.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
This movie is all I know help. All I know
is I have talked with Zambies. She didn't give it away.
She just was like, what the fuck did I just
watch and had to stop it halfway through and go
back and finish it later it's so bizarre.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
And so Mark can stop saying I'm not a horror fan.
I've seen this maybe, Mark, So fuck you, Mark. I
will see you next week. I'm so excited to hear
your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Out of everything we've done for Subtrise September, this is
the one that I want to hear your thoughts on
so bad. Don't text me throughout the week and tell
me what did I get into? Come back next Sunday
we will record and we will talk about.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
This movie, same bad time, same bad channel.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
But until then, Jonathan, where can people find all of
your projects?
Speaker 6 (54:06):
You can find me everywhere as Latinos again spooky Shit.
You can also find me again Tabletop Tempest. You may
also find me on the Spooky Guys. So hard hard
to miss me.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Funny, it's funny with the tabletop Tempest stuff because I
paint miniatures for war games and stuff.
Speaker 5 (54:26):
Fucking Nerd exactly whole.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Super Nerd buyer place behind you, Mark, I already know
the answer to it, But hit the viewers with where
we can find you online?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I just hang out here mostly because I never update
my Instagram.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Billy is not here for me to say it. We
own the life. The life rights to Mark and you
guys can catch us the odd. New episodes every Wednesday
night at six pm Eastern Standard Time.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
Brandon, where can people find you?
Speaker 8 (55:01):
At my house, Works and Football or my Instagram at
Brendon W. Millard Underscore two five or Letterbox Breiden W.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Miller and you guys can also find me.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I'm also on Letterbox, which I have to desperately desperately
update since the genre blastom was last week. You guys
can also find me. I met Captain in Nostalgia. Like
I said, new episodes every Wednesday. We'll be back next
week talking about the lore from twenty fifteen. So until
next time, Remember, the longer you gazed into the Abyss,
the more the Abyss gazes back into you,
Here you are listening to a Biscaysing, a horror podcast
where we celebrate all things spooky and mental health.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm still your co host, Mark.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm your other co host, Billy, I mean Brandon.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
And after a few weeks on the road, I am
back again.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
My name is Josh, and I am so happy to
be here for surprise September. Was really bummed I missed
last week. I love the voices. It's such a great
underrated movie. But this one is also just as good.
And this is Mark's pick, But Mark, this is your pick,
this is your guest. Hit us with it in those introductions.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So I have this weird obsession with like paranormal videos
and ghost hunting videos. And I came across latinos against
spooky shit a while back and Jonathan over here, and
it's it's kind of a comedy spin on some of
these ghost videos you said you see and it's absolutely
(01:24):
hilarious and great. And this has been a long time
coming because I think there's been emails and texts for
all the year to get him on. So I believe you.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Were real until I log on this.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I'm elusive. I'm my own.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, the Wonders of email filters. So but here we are,
and we're going to have a fun time because we
were already joking like a bunch of best friends before
we even started.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, but before we start the interview process, what is
your pick for us price September?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Mark the was it two thousand and three French movie
High Tension, which Josh. Josh was unexpectedly happy about because
he usually hates every movie.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I pick facts, but I really really fucks hard with
some of the early two thousands French extreme movement, Like
it's really solid.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I just thought it would be fun because we hadn't
covered it and it shows up and a lot of
your recommended slasher horrorless it's I just thought it'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let me just say that this, this surprise September is
gonna get weird really fast.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I know what Brandon, I know what Brandon got, I
know what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So what we will get into that at the end
of the episode.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
But Jonathan my man tell us a little about uh
latinos against spooky shit.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
What I want to thought of this.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
For those that don't know me, my name is Jonathan
and I run managed operate and usually bankrupt Latinos against.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Spooky ship depending on where I'm traveling to.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
And I just fucking I make fun of fucking the
white people doing dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Like it's kind of the bit. Honestly.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I love leaning into my culture, a Mexican border Mexico,
raised in Seattle, and I love talking about all those
things that like made a Latin household a Latin household
La chankla. You know the sandal that you got your
ass beat with the Vics, that anytime that you were
sick or had a headache or a burn, you would.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Put that shit on you.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
You know, the big old synthetic fiber blankets with the
pandas and the tigers on it. Just all these fucking
cultural nuances and uh, and then we ended up here.
We just ended up sucking flying close to the sun.
And we haven't burned up yet. Baby, we haven't fucking melted,
but we're thriving.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I think I did I read correctly. You also
have a podcast with one of your friends as well.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
That's right, I should probab talk about all the other
shit I do.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I've also cut.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Tabletop Tempest, which is a t TRPG actual play channel
that we run as of the kind of time of
this recording. We just got nominated for our sixth of
Festival for Actual Play for this year, so super fucking excited.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
It was I think New.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Jersey Webfest or Sydney Webfest one of the ones. But
super stoked for all the stories we get to tell.
We get a real dice tell stories. It is a
channel that we came up with because we wanted stories
from minority groups to be told that aren't being told.
It's ran by immigrants and or the children of immigrant parents,
but we're super.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Proud of it.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
We also got the Spooky guys, the spooky guys being
ran by myself and the cats out of the Bag
my ex wife's husband who we get along with fu.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Right yeah, as yep, but we fucking get all. So
it's funny because we share the same birthday. We're also
into video games. It's just very weird.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But we is this just you from like another timeline
where things like it's.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
A it's a variant of me if I were white and.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Went into the army, and I'm like, okay, cool, same
sense of humor.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Super cool guy.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I love him to death.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But the spooky guys we take.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Turns talking about cryptids and serial killers and real life
cases and also like conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
So it's just kind of a fucking mixed bag of
random chaos and stuff.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
That sounds fun. I'm gonna fall down Spotify right now, so.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
On all major changels.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So I know, as a lifelong horror fan h and
as someone that makes would probably make really dumb decisions
if he had.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The survival it's a white thing. It's yes, you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I might question is like, when you guys are creating
content for latinos against spooky shit, how do you guys
kind of create consistent content that doesn't feel redundant the
way that we see continuous white characters make those same
mistakes and horror movies.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
That is such an interesting question because that's something I
struggle with. Part of the imposter syndrome of content creation
and everything right is how do I keep the stress
without being repetitive. Also, my ego.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Doesn't allow me to tell the same jokes.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
I might tell the same style of jokes, but like
to repeat a bit like I can't like like it's
got to be a really good bit, but I can't
give you a verbatim joke, So that forces me to
have to be like, all right, how the fuck am
I gonna make fun of this one? What can I
pull out of my what I think is niche childhood
history that is actually a very common theme in Latin
(06:49):
American culture. You know, like a lot of people in
Latin like South America, didn't realize that VIX was a
big thing. Some people don't have VIX, they have tiger
Bomb that their family use, but it's the same thing.
So you know, you end up planning out like, oh ship,
we're all just like super similar and my unique experience
is just not that unique.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
But I get to use that and pull from it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
So everything that I talk about and joke about are
things that I like, I've gone through.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
So a lot of it just comes from pulling from experience.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I could do that living in Alabama.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
That we say and us here are different from her,
Josh and Mark are.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean, I'm not far from you. I am still
in the Deep South.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So yeah, yeah, you're you're from Virginia originally, which is
two different versions of.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There from the Appalachians.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Were related to each.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Yeah, my wife is actually my sister and my cousin.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You heard it here from.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
She's sitting over here and she just looked at me
like I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I just I love seeing like the paranormal, the more serious,
and then I like to see the stuff that just
makes fun of it and the stuff people do. And
I think that's how I ultimately came across you and
got it just a kick out of it. Just scrolled
through one night, sitting there like everybody does, laying in
bedboard watching TV doom, scrolling and like going through all
(08:18):
the videos, like dude, this is fucking awesome. And I
turned to my wife. I was like, you have to
see this. This is great. She's sitting there laughing and
we're just scrolling through the videos one at a time
and it's it's great content. It's great videos. If you
haven't seen them, I would highly recommend it.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, it was a fun little niche that I found
myself in. I definitely didn't expect it to happen the
way it did, but I'm glad it did.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm kind of curious always for anybody that kind of
gets into the world of crippets, where it's for a podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Or for filmmaking or for a short film.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
With that.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Book, novel whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Obviously there are a lot of like mainstream ones that
are out there, but then they're you know, you've got Sasquatch,
the fucking mothman, like you know. So, like my question is,
like what is the research process like for you guys
trying to like dig down and bring something new to
the table that not everyone is doing that is in
kind of that same niche.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yeah, so we obviously you can you know, use Wikipedia,
you can use all these articles to like pull from
like the mainstream of things.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
We like to go to the local city.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Like if we have a pinpoint city for example, you know, Mothmaan,
we obviously know that it's in Massachusetts and all that
fun stuff, Like we can pinpoint it down to the city,
start going through local.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Newspapers and everything of the area.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
We usually our process because we record in bulk, which
gives us like usually two to three week breathing room
in between, like when we release another chunk of episodes out,
we can be pretty thorough with with what we're looking
at and thinks of the power of the internet as well,
we can look up those local newspapers. You can go
to your you know, local library, from the East co
(10:00):
and they'll have most you know, things uploaded in some
sort of digital format, so we can look at the
original source versus this regurgitated, water down version of you know,
clickbait material that you sometimes find.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But sometimes you do have to sift through that.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
You have to compare notes and be like, okay, I've
got sick different sources here. Let's cross check what sounds
the same, what is different in each of them, and
kind of try to filter through the truth. So unfortunately,
there's a couple of things where we're.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Never gonna know right.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It's been passed down you know, telephone so often that
the story's changed and evolved over time, and we're never
gonna know the real one. But it's a matter of
just trying to find the most consistent stories and telling those.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
And then also finding niche things.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
We started googling small towns in the smallest towns in
the US, and we wanted to start there, like just
tiny little hell whole towns, no offense, hell whole towns,
but fucking hey, let's be for real, You're not gonna
fucking see.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
This, so, you know, just going.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Through there and starting because these little towns have like
weird little folklore and tales and legends and things that
you know, you never think about until you start looking
at them. Eventually, I want to get to the point
of going to these little towns and like interviewing people
that I have been there for five, six, seven generations
and just you know, talking to them about what their
family used to do and tell them would hunt them
(11:24):
in the middle of the night other than their uncle
or I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
We have a cool one. I'm I'm in the Memphis area,
and we have a cool one about two hours south
of us and apparently was a town where they did
a lot of like I think it was a stop
on the train lines for like shipping and everything, and
as the country developed, it moved away from there after
(11:48):
I think, like the Civil War. There's only like eight
people that live there now and this entire town and
it's one of those towns where it's just they've been
there forever and the last of these couple families are
are still there, but the town is essentially abandoned. Outside
of those couple of people, I don't really want to
go visit it.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
We got a place, uh, it's a little town close
where we really called Hayden and they have a road
it's called it's called Jack Jack Cole Road, and there's
like an old legend that way back in the day,
some witch lived down it and there was like a
bunch of people that hated her. And I can't remember
the story on the top of my head, but something
(12:29):
happened where she like got murdered in her house.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And but like.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
Well, this road, there's probably like three or four houses
on it, and every few years something weird happens. And
the last thing, some woman that lived on it, her
house caught on fire and when and when the fire
truck got there, the woman was nowhere, no body nothing.
This woman's been missing for what I think ten years now, geez.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And there's like a bunch of stories, you mean, living
your best life in Fiji with her insurance.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
Maybe or she's hanging that with a witch.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I don't know. But like people have been out.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
There Tua, like they found like, yeah, she could be
people have found.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Like like what they say is the witch is grave
out there. It's really crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
But I'm afraid to go out there because I've heard
too many crazy things happened to your vehicles.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And you're on this trip.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So we had a we had a bridge that was
like that where back when I grew up, I had
a drummer that the one of the bands I was
in high school that lived like five minutes from this place,
and if you went. Legend was that if you went
there after, like a woman had hung herself, and like
if you went there after midnight, like you could still
hear her suffocating or something to that extent.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't know, so I guess the real question out
of all of this, have you had any paranormal experiences
or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I have.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I've had two experiences that I have often talked about.
The first one was a premonition of my death when
I was nine or ten.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Set the scene Seattle, Washington for nineteen. No, it was
circa two thousand and one, two thousand and two. Actually,
we're in a truck. I'm in the back along with
this girl my age who's related to the driver, and
then my aunt's in the passengers see me and girling
back playing laughing, ha ha, doing.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Our thing whatever. We'm bumbered bumber traffic.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
And for those people that know Seattle, in some areas
we got trains coming. We got the train crossings and
all that kind of stuff. Pretty basic, pretty simple, bumbered
number traffic. We're going, we're going. We're going over the
train tracks, right, because you have to for traffic purposes
to keep gone. We get on the train tracks and
then the guardrails come down and it starts blaring that
the train's coming, and me and this little girl are
(14:51):
freaking out. Well, we can't move because it's traffic and
there's no way out, like just just more.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Track and.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
What would be second before the train hits us. We're
back three cars behind where we would have been on
the train tracks. Me and the little girl are screaming.
My aunt and her mom, the girl's mom, are like,
why are you guys screaming? What's happening? We're crying. We're like,
don't get on the train tracks. We're gonna get stuck.
We're gonna get stuck. Like what are you talking about? Like,
don't get on the train tracks. Traffic keeps moving right
(15:20):
before we get on the train tracks. We pull off
because there's a dirt road. We pull off, and sure enough,
a couple seconds later, rails come down.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Minute or two later, train comes blaring through.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
So there had been some malfunction with the alert system
that they used that usually gives you like a five
minute warning before a fucking train shows up, and it
had alerted way too late, so somebody would have gotten
stuck on there, and we somehow knew that it was
going to happen. So this little girl just freaked out.
Apparently we had gone from like playing and talking to
just like being dead silent and staring out our respective windows,
(15:53):
just dissociating, and then both at the same time, without warning,
started crying out loud about the train.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
So, geez, where is he for our Final Destination series?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
He would have had a good perspective on those movies.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, well, well the Final Destination sevens apparently in the work.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I'm black and do Final Destination.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, I already got the second invite. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, we're gonna take a quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
When we get back, we are going to talk about
Mark's pick for Surprise September.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
This is high tension. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (18:18):
Welcome back to a Biscays a horror podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
We are jumping into two thousand and threes high tension.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Mark take us away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, so it's some friends headed out to the one
friend's house in the middle of like nowhere. It's I
think it's like a farm or something.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Some friends. It's fucking two of them.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, let's get it right here, Mark.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Some implies like more than one?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Okay, Mark, Mark didn't? Mark? Did did you fail math?
That's cool?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, I'm actually good at math. It's kind of scary.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
No, No, Mark, math not math?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah that too.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But yeah, it's two friends are headed to one of
the friends family's house in the middle of the country.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Alex, what Marie and Alex?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
You know how good I am with names. Don't start
with your ship.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I know I am starting with my shop. I haven't
been here for two weeks, so what do you expect?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's been nice?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Uh you I thought you calling me Latino was because
of your shorting my name, not because you forgot my name.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Whatever he is, Uh, he is a Latino heat.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
For now on.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
There you go. I love that's good.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But yeah, they and while they're there, someone shows up
and starts killing the family and it's a blood violent
fest for about an hour and a half with a
nice little twist.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I am kind of curious.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
God, I was just gonna say when you for listeners,
if you haven't watched it, don't plan on watching it.
When they say someone just showed up, they literally mean
that they just fucking showed up. I wish there was
more context to that other than that fucker is just there.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Let's just unpack that, because that is what I think
makes this movie so effective.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, there is no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Whereas like you look at like the foundation of the
slasher genre, like you know, uh, Texas Chancel Massacre and
fucking Black Christmas and Halloween, all three of those. Never
one of them needed to explain why the motivation of
the killer was. No one knew why Billy was the
way he was, or why the shape was the way
(20:41):
that he was, or a fucking leather face, Like that's
what made that so appealing, and then you get like, oh,
we're gonna genre, we're going to franchise this, and we're
gonna explain all of this stuff, and it loses their potency.
That's part of the reason when like, yeah, it's part
of the reason that I'm just like, dude, like I
appreciate what Rob Zombie did or you know what Michael
(21:05):
Bay tried to do with that remake, but like also
at the same time, like it's just fucking scary that,
like this house is terrifying that it lives in the
middle of nowhere and this guy just happens to like
show up, Like I mean he literally had to go
out of their way because they're like half a mile
off like the middle of nowhere. So it's not like
(21:26):
there's like signs to it. It's like you have to
know this destination.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, he's also his first appearance. He shows up like
skullf Yeah, a severed head. Yeah, that's his first appearance
in the movie.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, which I mean, we've all been there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's Thursday's.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I But I think that's part of what makes it
interesting is when you get to the end and find
out what's really going on. It turns the whole movie
and of what the fuck just happened.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
It was a big brain fuck. It was.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
It wasn't It wasn't right because it was one of
those things for me, I was like, this seems weird.
I feel like storytelling elements weren't that different twenty years ago,
so why is it missing these beats that I'm used to.
I'm like, Ah, it's the French. That's why they don't
fucking know what they're doing. That that's what's happening when
it's like, no, they're telling a good story. This is
proper storytelling. It's just that they started at the end.
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And that's what threw me off because I'm not used
to movies beginning with the finale leading back into itself.
But yeah, the dude, the dude's appearance that the again
high tension, right, But it's such a palpable feeling that
I felt when they were driving in the car together
and I'm like, they're flirting, but she doesn't know that
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they're flirting. And and then I was like, oh, maybe
I'm reading into it. Maybe it's just the French coming out,
you know it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Fine, Well, that ending is like, Nope, all you though
it were less correct?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is so correct me if I'm wrong. They don't really
show his full face until like the last couple sequences.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
God, it's either.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
The brim of his hats over his face or he's
looking over something, but his face is covered, sir, almost
the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Even when he's in the gas station, like the way
the lighting is, like you can still only see like
the brim or like the bags underneath his eyes, Like
you don't actually see the full face until it is
like probably the last like twenty minutes of the movie.
And I think that's what makes this movie so goddamn
effective is that it it does hide it, but it's
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like it's not. It has this level of groundedness to
it to where it's like, we're not going to hide
it under William Shatner mask, or we're not going to
hide it under you know, a store bought like costume,
cocky mask, costume, whatever you want to say. And that's
nothing to like, it's not a slide towards any of
those movies. But I think this movie really has a
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level of groundedness to it. The fact that like this
guy literally just is an average Joe. Yeah, he's just
an average guy. Yeah, and like is just doing these
like horrific things.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I think the other because visually obviously right, the lack
of definition on this this entity that is you know,
is human yet is doing very inhuman things or inhumane
I guess. But for me, it was also the leather
creak of every step he took. There was this this
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ominous feeling of foreboding the way that he walked. It
wasn't just the footsteps, because you can hear heavy footsteps anywhere,
and like, oh, that's a person to hear this leather,
Because leather you think, Okay, a butcher, you think he's
a farm hand, he's a rat. Like it adds so
much more to him without saying.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Anything, Yeah, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like the way that they build this guy up I
think is quite impressive, you know, because this comes at
the beginning where like horror was such an interesting place
in this the time of this release, to where it
was kind of fading out of that renaissance that Scream
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gave us in the mid to late nineties, that slasher boom.
But at the same time, like it was right around
the time that there was starting to be that jay
horror pop of the late nineties early two thousands. It
was right before we kind of got stepped into the
torture porn and these like really grotesque violent remakes of
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the classics like Texas, chancell On Massacre, Andyville Horror, et cetera. Uh,
And this movie, I think really kind of showed a
different sign because I think this, I think of this
movie and I think of Irreversible.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
When you talk about French extremisms and.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
How unique they are compared to a lot of the
films we were getting around Stateside, I think that's what
made them such such an impact and to this day
has made them.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So celebrated within the genre to this day.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
There's almost a silliness to the Gore too that didn't
didn't make it. It made it palatable in a way that
I was like, oh, you're not just doing gore for
the sake of gore. It's gruesome in a very realistic
way that it would go to choose this like this
is kind of ahead of the time.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
I just watched this movie for the first time like
an hour and a half ago. For reasons I still
very confused.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Was the guy is the guy real so are we gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, please help me.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So the beginning, the beginning of the movie takes place
after everything, and she's sitting there, You're never going to
leave me again in a psych ward all cut up
and everything, and then the where they show the guy
axing the store clerk and the gas station where he
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asked him a question. They showed the security video where
it's her. Yeah, So basically it was kind of almost
like a schizophrenic multiple personality kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Okay, she was him.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Okay, you want to if you want to deep dive
a little further than that. He was a manifestation of
her desire for her friend. Yeah, oh, an obsession with
her because if you notice, everybody else kept her alive.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
What I think is kind of really interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The scene in particular, I think is really interesting to
consider is after the break in. It's like right at
the beginning of the second act, and he gets into
the car back into the van, and he like takes
the picture that he had had from her before he
like kidnapped her and kind of like carved it out
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of the frame and then you see the like the
rear view mirror is just like filled with like other
what we can assume to be victims, are those like
Marie's like previous victims as well?
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Do you think I don't know if they're like actual
victims of Marie having killed them.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
I think they're victims of.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Her trauma and of the way that she has you know,
been in relationships.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, that's an interesting day on it. I hadn't thought
of that. I was wondering about the whole victims thing too. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Mean you think about it. You know, anybody is.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
A victim of you know, PTSD or of an abusive relationship,
like you.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Are a victim of that.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
So I think I think it's an interesting take of
because it highlights certain parts which I think, you know,
because it was there was one where it was just
like cut out of like the chest or breast. The
other was like a you know, another girl's face. I
think it's the over sexualization of an obsession of Marie
with their partners and the ones that you know, she victimized.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I also think it's really interesting to consider, is that,
like when you look at the concept of like you know,
wanting to kill or wanting to pause violence, it doesn't
just start. It's not birth out of a place where
someone just wakes up the first day and be like,
you know what, I think today is the day, you know,
I'm going to go to my local bank and just
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create chaos. Like That's not really how it happens, despite
what we think. You know, it eventually kind of starts
at a place of brokenness and eventually kind of is
birthed along the way to those things. And what I
like about the interpretation about the trauma is that, you know,
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those could have been people that hurt you know, I
am definitely a person that has multiple relationships that have
hurt me in the past, and that each of those
traumas have shaped me and molded me in ways that
have been both good and bad. And so I think
that it's really interesting to kind of look at her
and kind of see that maybe Alex was the breaking point,
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you know, maybe she had had enough rejection and maybe
at this point for her, the only a logical thing
in her mind that she had left was violence.
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Speaker 6 (31:55):
Today we're seeing the tipping point, the boiling over of
everything of years of Yeah, because it starts with them
talking about Alex's sexual exploits and Marie, I'm sure, having
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been rejected time and time again at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
She wasn't gonna get rejected this time.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
The thing about like rejection, too, right, is that like
you can only like you can only take so far,
so much of it before there is a breaking point
whatever that looks like. You know, for some people it
might be an alcohol vender. For some people, it might
be drugs. For some people it might be self harm.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
You know, change of lifestyle in general.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Change of lifestyle, Like I mean, there are so many
different ways that you can you can interpret that, you know,
and maybe we just kind of see the most extreme
version here to where maybe she has been rejected so
many times, or she's had her heart broken so many times,
and over time, I mean, those things like they really
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do tend to add up, and especially if you are
just bottling them up, that bottle eventually is going to
give way and it is going to have to explode
because there's no more space left to contain the trauma.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, you were talking about people don't just wake up
to killing, and we talk a lot about mental health,
mental disorders, things like that, and some of the topics
Jonathan said you said you cover is like true crime
and stuff. But when they get into like serial killers,
there's people with them with the same conditions that live
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normal lives. Serial killers are a perfect storm of certain
mental conditions and environment factors.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yes's usually brain trauma of some sort abusive parents, you know,
they do.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
The killing of small animals.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Like, there's there's a lot of fucking tiltale signs when
it comes, and we've you know, determined.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
A lot of them at this point in time.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
But when it comes to like you know, disassociative mental
illness like schizophrenia and you know, being bipolar and everything
else like that, and then in this case, like we
don't know how long it's been happening, we don't know
if there were signs or now we're just seeing the
the climax of it all.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Do they go hard?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, it's just I really tried. When I picked this movie,
I had gone through a bunch of movies and couldn't
find any of them. I was like, we've talked about this,
let's go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
By the way, well, some of the movies I was
gonna see some of the movies that high tension had
to compete within this era, DreamCatcher, Darkness, Falls, Wrong, Turn Underworld,
Freddy Versus Jason the first one. So like, it's interesting
that we were kind of going for a high action
type of gore with our horror. So you're right, the
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two thousands was kind of an interesting time horror to exist. Well,
French kind of went a little.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Ahead of their time, I think with what they were
doing this one.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
The if you look at the if you look at
the Japanese stuff from that same time period, it's more psychological,
it's more mentally driven, like the Ring and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But when other countries, I think horror is really interesting
again to consider around this time because it almost kind
of seems like there's a loss of identity to where
we don't know what we want to do, you know,
So we got these things like remakes, and you know,
we're like always kind of trying to push the level
of gore. So you have things like Saul and Hostile
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coming out around this same time. But then you have
other people, other countries like Japan and France that are
saying like we want to take these kind of like
more classical things like ghosts and the supernatural elements or
like real true terror, and these are the stories that
we want to explore. And you know, Jonathan, you listing
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off all of those movies, like all of those movies,
a lot of them are you know, ip D, Dream Catchers,
Stephen King One, Freddie Versus Jason, you know a lot
of Darkness Falls is such a weird little film. Yeah, yeah,
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Wrong Turn was original, But like you know, you have
these movies that like I don't know, like they they
have kind of just become niche films over the time
they were they didn't fit in IP they they found
a niche. They became cult classics, whereas like I feel
like a movie like High Tension like really challenges what
our concept of gore and how it can be used
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and psychological thrillers and how it can be used and
really makes you like stop to think about something like this,
because this is a movie that essentially like locks you.
It's kind of like toys around with you for like
the first like ten to fifteen minutes. But there is
a moment that once this film like hits its threshold
around the twenty minute mark, maybe twenty five minutes, it
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literally does not stop crawling underneath your skin until the
credits roll. Like this is a movie that literally draws
you to the edge of your seat and like handcuffs
you there.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Yeah, it really pops your head off you like that
one guy.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Damn, damn, It's it's a slow burn for the first
like you said, for the first one.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Minutes.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But yeah, when it pops off, it pops off like
it goes hard right off the bat. I and again
now knowing what the end is, right with her being
two different people essentially, I did reword. So I just
watched it last night, and as soon as it was done,
because I was like, I'm gonna watch this, make sure
I do my homework, go to Bedterly i was done, I.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Was like, hold on, wait a minute, I got to
start this again.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
And I went back and I started skipping through sections
just to watch it.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
And it's so interesting.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
It's so interesting watching it now knowing what you know,
seeing the performance being put on, and being like, holy shit,
like this is really good. Like there's hints that you
don't catch it till much after, and so it's a
very well done film. I think they've only not the French,
but like in general, I've only seen like one or
two other movies that really like does this type of
thing where the good guy's the bad guy the whole time,
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you know, concept, but fucking one of the.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Best dot I've seen.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's really hard to kind of make that juxtaposition work
and it not feel cheesy.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
And I think this movie lends to it.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But I also really want to say that, like one
of the things that I've forgot about this is like
the juxtaposing opening credits and the way that you have
these intense visuals, the way that kind of mimic the
intensity that's getting ready to come up in twenty to
thirty minute, and these like cutaway run scenes like that.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Really, like I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Like watching it for the podcast was like, shit, like
this movie is about to potentially fuck me up.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, it had been a while since I had seen it.
I vaguely remembered some of the like kills in it
and the basic story, but rewatching it again, it was
like I didn't remember all this Holy shit, It's like.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I do.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
But yeah, like you were saying, it's one of those like, uh,
the prestigious one. You watch it the first time and
you get to the end and it's like, oh shit,
that was awesome, And then you watch it again and
you pick up all the stuff you missed, and this
is kind of the same way. The first time you
see it's like what the hell did I just watch?
Like like our friend Brendan here, he got done with
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he got done with it. And immediately since the message
like I don't understand, but I just watched.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I had to go back and do things.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
And that's why I asked me to go like what
was going on, because I still wanted to make sure
I got I got it right, So I had to
ask hed, ask the expert here, Mark, because you apparently
know everything. Mark made a comment earlier that I'm not
an actual horror fan because I like everything.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
So so Mark's over here gatekeeping.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I'm almost kind of curious too, like some of the
going back to the kind of curious on your guys this,
sometimes there are really bad habits that are birthed out
of I think good intentions, and one of those being
I think the the opening.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Scene emergency I'll be brought back, Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think the ending of the beginning where they're kind
of like talking on the way to Alex's parents house,
you kind of almost get this like sense that like
Marie's like really lonely, and I'm almost kind of curious,
you know, when you're talking about this like fear of
isolation or being alone, especially in a romantic setting, a
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sense like I definitely feel like that also plays a
toll in your mental health and can definitely burth some
like really bad habits. You know, when I am kind
of going through some of my current my own current shit,
like being alone and being isolated has been a really
bad catalyst for some really bad habits. Typically I will
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pick up the phone and call one of the people
that are on this call, minus Jonathan because I just
met him an hour ago. But like, you know that,
like reaching out has been something that has been a
huge help on my mental health and the embrace of community.
And sometimes if you don't, if that is absent from
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your story or from whatever, it's really hard to kind
of escape that space. And that's kind of almost the
space that it feels like we find Maria and Marie
and sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well, you kind of start to wonder what's wrong with you?
What have you done wrong?
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Absolutely, why is this kind of stuff happening to me?
Kind of thing? And you get lost in that whole
mindset of it.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
There is a.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Interesting aspect to everything when you look at it through
the lens of Alex. I think and realize Alex is
just taking her friend to meet her parents for the
first time and have a good time, and she thinks
that they're just you know, girls experiencing college and to
be woken up to your family being murdered, the shock
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out of it all, right, And I think there is
the right if I'm putting myself in Alex's shoes, there's
got to be a were there signs kind of moment,
especially at the end when you know she's still there,
because if she didn't still care about her realizing that
this was a mental health crisis, would she still be
at the psych word looking and asking about her right?
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If this was a criminal who was doing malicious things
out out of evil, she wouldn't give a shit. She
would throw away the keys, throw her in jail, move
on with your life, and get therapy. But the fact
that still asking questions still there, I think she started
realizing were there signs of her try to reach out?
And was I not picking up on them? Because I'm
guilty of that, Yeah, reaching out and trying to ask
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for help and not knowing how. Sometimes whether it's pride
or whether it's you know, my own insecurities, whatever it
might be, people you know tend to have a way
that they try to reach out in their own manner.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, And I think that's probably one of the One
of the biggest things that like as a culture we
need to kind of get better about is like normalizing
what those warning signs are, right, like learning them at
their foundation, at their bedrock before we really get to
see dangerous stuff happen. You know, like a lot of
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a lot of you know, you take a movie like
High Tension, A lot of this could be avoided if had,
you know, there been better communication, Have there been you know,
a more better, better warning science. And sometimes like the
thought of depression like really fucks you up because you
feel like you're alone, that you deserve to be alone,
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that you're not worthy of friendships, or that in in
the in the flip side, that is that nobody thinks,
nobody knows that like oh, no one's going to know,
or no one's going to care, or like if I
reach out, like is it actually going to make a
difference type of thing, right?
Speaker 8 (45:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And I mean, but at the same time, how redeemable
was she she killed the dog? That's what everybody wants
to know about movies.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
You don't you know what, it's not just the dog
the kid and one gunshot.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
I get you got to hit him with both barrels.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Fock.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
As crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
She's she's just not well, you know, but hopefully by
the end of the movie's she's taking steps to get well.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So I think when I watched it the other night,
they start going through the flashbacks at the end of
what happened, and at the beginning they show her going
to the cornfield and come back and Alex is leaving
and she calls her an asshole everything. At the end,
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the way they make it look is that she left.
When they do the flashback, it looks as though she left,
and it almost comes across as that was kind of
the tipping point at that hour.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Of the breaking point.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
You could also look at it from a psychological perspective
of in that scene, specifically Marie constantly chasing after Alex
and then realizing that Alex doesn't care and will leave
her behind romantically, emotionally because she can't talk about these
other guys that she's with, and that cornfield is her
trying to navigate her emotions and coming to terms with
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Alex isn't in the cornfield with me. We're not here together,
We're not doing this. At the same time, Alex will
leave if she has.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
To, And the first time you see the Killer Is
in the Cornfields. Yes, it's a trippy movie.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It really is very true.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have anything else to add, Mark,
So if you got to anything laid on me.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I just I remember what the first time I watched
it was kind of like the same reaction Brandon and
Jonathan are having that It's like, what the fuck did
I just watch? It was just so different. Yeah, it
was so different from what was coming out while still
being relevant to the genre.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
I think I will say, God, I was just gonna say,
there's one scene that could have been cut a lot
shorter that I would have been fine with, and it
would have been it would have saved like four or
five minutes. And it's at the end, near the end,
when Marie's in the car going after the guy, and
there's that car chase scene that just it's just a
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little too long and served no composition or purpose in
the storytelling.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
It could have cut it. They could have cut it
a little shorter.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
That's literally my only complain about this film.
Speaker 8 (47:57):
Oh he's back, Hey, sorry, sorry, take care or something.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
No like that's what's one of those things that like
I agree like there are certain things that I feel
like could be tightened up, but like to mark to
your point, like this movie I think, I think French
horror from what I've seen in French films and in general,
are have just this way of almost having this elegance
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of dealing with these like really horrific topics and kind
of like really blaming it. Like I brought up Irreversible later,
like Irreversible is one of the hardest films I've ever
seen to sit through and is like just such a
mind fuck excellent movie. It's a five out of five
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for me, but it's one of the hardest things. But
there's an elegance to the way that it's shot and
the way that it's edited, and the way that it
actually presents its subject matter, whereas like I feel like
to an extent, I feel like here Stateside, like it's
not always the case when we have these like types
of films, like we're like, oh, we're going to talk
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about all of these like really grotesque and we're gonna
make it as graphic as possible, Like there's no real
reason to do that.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
But I do want to.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Talk about the fact that this is like one of
the first films from me pull letterboxes. I'm gonna butcher.
This guy's name Alejandra or Alex Yeah, Alexandri Alex uh
a jah that guy.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
But I mean this guy what happened.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
To sneeze Sneeze man, he had a stroke Alexandre. Yeah,
I mean this guy's gone on to do like some
like really impressive films.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Got some solid movies in this list.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Crawl, Uh, Piranha, Hills have Eyes, Oxygen Horn I haven't
seen ever, Leo, I recognize him. Yeah, Yeah, I mean
this guy's got like one of just the craziest like
pedigree of uh stuff, I mean awesome mirrors P Two,
(50:15):
Like I mean this movie like really good. Yeah, this
movie like really opened up a door for him in
American cinema. Like there are so many like underlining films
that like he's done and experimented with over the years,
and that.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
All starting is you don't hear his name.
Speaker 8 (50:35):
Hm hmmm, because like I don't really like movies like Crawl,
like the like I guess like Animal or whatever kind
of movie like that my favorite. But that's like one
of the few that I really was impressed with, Like
really that one really got me it.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
And like he has like a way like you know
with I feel like with Horns and Baranha, I think
those are like two more lighthearted, more kind of like goofy,
slapsticky type of movie. But then like, yeah, then you
look at a movie like Krawl and you definitely see
that same level of anxiety, that birth high tension, like
(51:10):
there is, like God, the anxiety that I felt watching
Krawl is just insane. It's such a good movie. But yeah,
I'm with Brandon. I normally don't like creature feature movies
like that, but he just has a way of, uh
really doing a good job when it comes to like anxiety.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
That fuck, I'm sorry it did.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
No, I I totally agree with you.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
What was that The Hills Have Eyes? The remake from
the remake it?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, huh the original I think was John Carpenter Wes Craven. Okay,
I knew it was one of them. I couldn't remember
exactly which one. I had a empty shot.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
I didn't realize it was a remake.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Huh. Yeah, they did one and two back in the
super early eighties.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh, the first ones like early seventies and then the seventies. Yeah,
first one's early seventies, and I think the second one's
like late seventies, early eighties. Okay, I don't remember if
the second one came before after Swamp Thing.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well yeah, but yeah, the newer Hills have Eyes. Yeah,
that was a remake. I didn't mind the remake too much.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
It's it's it's great, it's fine, it's it's fine. So
but I think that's gonna do it for us on
this episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
So before we jump into socials, I will give So
next week is my week for Surprise September, and I'm
bringing my friend Zambies with me because I love to
get weird as fuck and this movie celebrates ten years
this year. So I am bringing you guys all the
way from uh freaking Poland. I am bringing you guys
(52:59):
the movie called The Lore, which you can't see right
now because my filter is on.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
There. It is. It is a movie called The Lore.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
If you guys want to stream along with us, I
believe it is on Max right now.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
This movie is all I know help. All I know
is I have talked with Zambies. She didn't give it away.
She just was like, what the fuck did I just
watch and had to stop it halfway through and go
back and finish it later it's so bizarre.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
And so Mark can stop saying I'm not a horror fan.
I've seen this maybe, Mark, So fuck you, Mark. I
will see you next week. I'm so excited to hear
your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Out of everything we've done for Subtrise September, this is
the one that I want to hear your thoughts on
so bad. Don't text me throughout the week and tell
me what did I get into? Come back next Sunday
we will record and we will talk about.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
This movie, same bad time, same bad channel.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
But until then, Jonathan, where can people find all of
your projects?
Speaker 6 (54:06):
You can find me everywhere as Latinos again spooky Shit.
You can also find me again Tabletop Tempest. You may
also find me on the Spooky Guys. So hard hard
to miss me.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Funny, it's funny with the tabletop Tempest stuff because I
paint miniatures for war games and stuff.
Speaker 5 (54:26):
Fucking Nerd exactly whole.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Super Nerd buyer place behind you, Mark, I already know
the answer to it, But hit the viewers with where
we can find you online?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I just hang out here mostly because I never update
my Instagram.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Billy is not here for me to say it. We
own the life. The life rights to Mark and you
guys can catch us the odd. New episodes every Wednesday
night at six pm Eastern Standard Time.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
Brandon, where can people find you?
Speaker 8 (55:01):
At my house, Works and Football or my Instagram at
Brendon W. Millard Underscore two five or Letterbox Breiden W.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Miller and you guys can also find me.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I'm also on Letterbox, which I have to desperately desperately
update since the genre blastom was last week. You guys
can also find me. I met Captain in Nostalgia. Like
I said, new episodes every Wednesday. We'll be back next
week talking about the lore from twenty fifteen. So until
next time, Remember, the longer you gazed into the Abyss,
the more the Abyss gazes back into you,
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