August 6, 2025 • 43 mins
We’re staring into the abyss of 1993’s Ninja Scroll to see what will gaze back. In this episode, the gents kick off Anime August with one of the genre’s most ground breaking films. They discuss everything from the injustices of sexual assault, the strange nature of anime & much more. Get your tickets for Horrific Hope Film Festival here.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
You are listenings to Abiscasing, a horror podcast where we
celebrate all things spooky and mental health.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm your co host, Mark, I'm Billy with my other
comrades here, and.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I am your co host Josh, and we are kicking
off anime August. These guys finally got me to do
an entire month of this subgenre, and Mark's pick is
up first. Will I hate it? Will I love it?
Let's find out.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean it's Ninja Scrolls. It's a classic. It's one
of the ones that's reckoned ended when people are starting
to get into anime.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And it's one of the ones that brought anime over
to the US.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Or clarification too, we are talking about the nineteen ninety
three movie, yes, not the two thousand and three I
believe series of the same.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Name, and I believe there's also a sequel movie as well,
and I've heard neither one of them or as good
as the original. But I mean, Anime to the States
was primarily A Kira was the big introduction.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The only reason I didn't pick A Kira was because
it was sci fi and you're not a big sci
fi fan, but there was violence in this and it's awesome,
and you're still gonna end up hating it, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I didn't hate this movie. I didn't expect. I feel
like you hyped it up a little bit too much
for me to where this movie is good, but it
doesn't quite make the imprint that other animes have made
on me. And that's not necessarily a bad thing or
like a commentary on the quality of the film or
(02:13):
anything that makes up the film it is. I think
just my taste as a as a viewer, is it because.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It was and he started with the newer stuff?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, oh technically yes, Like my favorite anime of all
time is the is the og Ghost in the.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Shell that came out about the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So like it's two years two years, yeah from it,
and so like I really do. I think I love
Ghost in the Shell more for the themes of like
identity and technology and like how both of those like
intertwined with mental health. I thought that they were. It's
an all time classic, you know, But I've seen like
(02:55):
other like quote unquote like classics that a lot of
people recommend when getting into this genre, like Akira and
Perfect Blue This One City, which we covered last.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Year, Perfect Blue is just so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, no, I'm not gonna not gonna deny that or
disagree with you there. Perfect Blue is a mind fucking
a hat.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I mean, one of the things I like about this
it's a it's it's a cool story overall, really cool
characters and the animation. It's nineteen ninety three, and the
animation stands up as well today as it did back then.
If you put it up against a lot of today's
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modern like especially US animation, that'll blow it out of
the water, and a hand drawn sequences.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There is something that's like really striking about the animation
from like Lady's early nineties anime that I think, regardless
of how you feel about the genre, whether you're a
fan or not, I think you have to give it props,
like this is gorgeous animation. Because US wise, right around
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this time is when we started progressing into kind of
that transition from a hand drawn to three D and
you know, toy stories a couple of years away, Shrek Ants,
a lot of those kind of were at the forefront
of those, and Disney as a whole was kind of
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starting to get away from this art form so much
so that Don Bluth around this time, like left and
started trying to like go make his other to kind
of keep two D animation alive as all state Side.
But like you look at like other entries from around
this era, whether you're talking about Dragon Ball, Akira, Ghost
in the Shell, Perfect Blue, they all kind of had
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this just really riking, intoxicating animation that was just not
being produced as readily in Stateside around that time.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, and Nyazaki he still does that today with
his stuff with Studio Ghibli. He has actually been on
record stating that computer generated cartoons and animation just to
don't have the soul that hand drown does it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You don't. I'm a huge sucker for that, and I've
always kind of been partial to it. It's not to
say that there aren't good movies that are made in
the three D animation era.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It just doesn't have the same feel.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It just doesn't hit the same You're right, like it
just kind of feels like it's it's void of, as
he said, like a soul. Because anyone can sit behind
a computer and map out a movie. It's really I
don't always say it's easy, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Enough with enough time and practice anybody could essentially do
an animated computer generated movie.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, and you don't really, whereas it takes a lot
of skill and time and effort to do this type
of animation.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, and there's tens, if not hundreds of thousands of
frames of art for these movies.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Billy's over here, all quiet.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Because I'm waiting to hear if you actually liked it
or not.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I already said I enjoyed the film. I don't know
this is this is one of those movies that's.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Mark gave you boobs.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's it's a good movie. I don't know necessarily if
it's a movie that would warrant any rewatches from me.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh well, I mean I think it's.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think it's one of those like good on the
like the first time, and I'm like, I'm satisfied and
content with a one time watch.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't know, oh how many times I've seen this
movie over the years. I know this is the first
time I watched it in probably about five or six years,
but I've watched it a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It had been longer for me. But I mean I
watched it twice this week, just to you know. I
always watch movies more than once whenever we're doing one,
but it had been years since I had seen it,
but it's still one of the like, like you said,
earlier classics are originals because whenever I first started, I
was watching Dragon Ball and then this is what the
other movies I saw. But I Am with you. Ghost
(07:33):
in the Shell is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I think for me one of the things that
I really loved about this movie is part of the
reason that now, especially as the weirder I get with
my like horror picks. Thanks to the fine folks at
Genre Blast that I'll be joining us next week alongside
of you know, Trauma and some of the submissions that
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some of the films we've programmed for Horrific Hope and
other film festivals. I love weird films now, I feel
like I'm kind of conditioned to love it, and there
I feel like Adabay is one of those subgenre or
like genres that's not afraid to just get weird. Like
there's there's some like weird things in this movie, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Like really weird, but there's also some like really cool characters.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Too, there is. Yeah, that's part of the part of
the reason I think this film has such a strong
has such a strong following, is because of the characters,
but also it's the visuals. It's the It is the
the strangeness and the uniqueness, because there's not a whole
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lot of movies that were being made around this time
that are like this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean the storyline is not bad, even though
I know you didn't watch it for the storyline at
a certain point, But the storyline's not bad. I mean,
it's it's one of the standard storylines of you get
a ninja or somebody that's just being all on his own.
All of a sudden he meets a couple other people
and then he has to save the world or save
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the country or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's kind of weird. It starts to lose me a
little bit. Mark You're you are rights. I've established it
over over time that I'm not huge on period pieces,
and it's not necessarily the reason that I don't like
this movie, because I don't hate this movie. But I
also didn't love this movie. I thought this was a
really solid entry into the genre and one that I'm
(09:37):
grateful you made me watch for this episode. But again,
it's not one that I'm like clamoring to watch again.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I guess that is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Take take your take your goddamn victory man Mark.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You know he when she dropped the rope so.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Or snake Lady with the snake between the legs.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah so so uh so I wrote in my my
notes when uh like he was in the temple and
she was like guarding it. Uh is it jupy jew Bee? Yeah,
but uh uh, we're gonna mispronounce a whole lot of
I don't remember name, but like his uh yeah, so
(10:27):
like his it's like partner in crime throughout this movie
is a chick named uh yeah, Jero I want to
say that's that's right. It's k A G E r
oh and yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So she comes into the temple and is like right
behind the snake Lady, and the snake Lader just kind
of gives us like smirk and then you just see
a little snake slither out of the j J And
I was like, all right, okay, cool, that's my favorite
scene in the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So I figured it was you notice I called it
out right away. I knew what what was your favorite seed?
It wasn't with the rock, dude, it was with the snake.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Was my favorite one is the Beehive guy, that guy,
the guy, the Wasp guy. Yeah, that was like such
a cool sequence.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah. I like the fight with the rock dude at
the beginning between juh, that whole sequence where he takes
out the ninjas in the forest and it's just like
raining blooded body parts, and then when he actually fights
Jube later. Those two, those two are like my two
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favorite seeds.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I I think the snake Lady also, like just conceptually
might be my favorite.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
The way she dropped out as a husk.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Kind of in that way, but like also the idea
of I've seen that concept before in like other films
where like tattoos like actually like come to life. That's
such a creepy aesthetic. Uh. And the way that like
the more that she gave into the tattoos, the more
that like it actually drained her of her life, which
(12:17):
I just kind of thought was such a visual marvel,
but like also such a compelling story element as well.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah. I mean a lot of the concepts I have
seen in a lot of the other animes, like the
dude that controls all the threads use it in different ways.
Like we've already mentioned a wasp. It's usually a Bee
or something like that or some of the other ones.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
He was a very the dude I can't remember his
name was a very minor role.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, it's like one, yeah, he's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, and the Blind Swordsman was the other one.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think, a cool character, but just had a minor role.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think one of the things that this movie does
really well that I was really impressed me is the
fact that we kind of meet a meet a lot
of very minor characters. Like I would argue they're all memorable,
like and I would argue that, like every one we've
talked about so far has been a minor character, but
the way that they're written, the way that they're visualized,
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and the threat that they.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Pose to.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Jewbe is incredible. Like that's just exceptional storytelling right there.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
And they did it. They do a solid build up
to the rematch between Jube and Genma at the end.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, it was solid.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, it just the whole thing builds. You find out
that they had fought earlier and he had killed Genma,
to find out that he has the ability to reincarnate
and heal himself, and they show him crush his face
in that final fight and he just starts regenerating his face,
and he like so good.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So I got a question for both y'all, what would
you do if you had that power?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I don't know what when I also have unlimited wealth
that would come with it? Or would I be stuck
in a perpetual cycle of debt?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, see in that note, you don't have to already
have the wealth because you can't really die, So you
could do all kinds of stuff to figure out how
to get the wealth.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You could fake your death and get out of the debt.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe life insurance. Take out a couple of life insurance,
fake your death, change your name, then you got the wealth.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Josh, I honestly don't know what I would do. I
would I would try to see like how far I could,
like actually kind of I guess, push myself, and I
guess I also really wouldn't struggle with anxiety anymore because
that type of shit is the source of my anxiety.
So I wouldn't have anxiety anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, oh I get that, trust me. That's ever. But
he's anxiety.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, it's just I mean, it's just a solid anime
entry all the way around. There's there's really not what
the to me, the most forgettable character out of all
of them was the girl that like blows up corpses
and stuff. She was the most forgettable out of all
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of them.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
She had what a split second in there, not even that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Out of the side character, she had a handful of scenes.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, but like you said it, it's not memorable to me.
I remember she was in a scene with the dude
that does the threads, and then I knew the scene
where she blows up the the one guy that she
had was already killed and sewed up so.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And then and then she blew up lightning guy too.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Also, I want to I just want to talk about
this opening scene real quick where he's just kind of
dude is walking just given no fucks as he's just
enjoying his rice. Like I was like, man, first off,
this is a cool this is a solid opening in
two one day. I hope to be as confident as
this man.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And and the argument they were having about oh, we
had all this gold and you you gave it away
and you only took like twenty gold when you could
have had tons and all. I was like, man, just
to think of having all that gold would be a
lot of people would not turn it away. They would
turn a blind eye and not turn the people in.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I mean that whole that that whole scene was just
cool too. The way the fight went down. You had
the one little short guy with a gun and almost
like a suit. Yeah, that that was just kind of
a cool thing to see in general.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
See, my favorite scene was towards the end with uh,
I can't think of the guy's name, is it Jimmy, Jimi? Gimma,
there you go. Where after they had the fight scene,
he just got engulfed in all the gold while it
was hot. Yeah, it burned him to death.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It didn't burn him to death, regenerated.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Make him a gold statue in the bottom of the water.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, he will be forever trapped at the bottom of
the ocean.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Also sad you guys make fun of me. I just
want to bring this up. What kind of person interrupts
another person while they're having sex?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Which time didn't it happen more than what it happened
with the rock guy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It happened during the rape scene, and it happened when
she came to give her report shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But that's the one that I'm that, that's it's the
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
He like, he don't he did know. He kept going.
He puts very briefly, very briefly, and then he kept
going because it was like if he's paused long.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So that scene in general, if you notice stated I
want to know, was that lady hooker. There's a good
chance if it's in Japan during that time, it may
have been part of a harem. That's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I was going to say a concubine.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But yeah, the the girl that survived the attack and
everything with the rock dude, Yeah, you can tell that
he her hearing everything while she was given the report,
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was bothering her from her from what just.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Happened because she couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Well, no, because she had just survived being raped, Yeah,
that attempted rape.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah. I wasn't looking at it like, yeah, I was
looking at the fact that on her storyline, because she's poisoned,
she can't get close to anybody.
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Yeah, I get you. I get you.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because she was reporting back after she got free, and
that was after the big rock dude tried to rape her.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Which is like such an uncomfortable scenes. Probably it's probably
the darkest this movie. I feel like gets from it,
and I'm kind of glad that you you get away
from it, but like you still kind of see the
after effects of like what is taking place, Like it's
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never kind of brought up or spoken of again, but
I feel like it's very rare in animation that a
you see something like sexual assault be depicted and like
shown honestly and to that just from the facial expressions,
you actually get to see the the inner workings of
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how that experience has affected that person's mental health.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And knowing that she's also essentially a warrior that's dealing
with actual trauma. She may have killed people and all
kinds of stuff, but stuff still affects her.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, that's kind of hinted towards later in the movie.
Whenever she tries to give herself to Jube, And I
mean he has more respect for her than that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well during the scene, like he tells her, he essentially
it doesn't matter if you're a corpse or not while
he's while he's assaulting her.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I kind of just because there's not a whole
lot of mental health within this movie at least outright,
I kind of just want to go over and share
some like very brief statistics real quick about its individuals
affected bisexual violence in the US. So every sixty eight
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seconds an American is sexually assaulted. One out of every
six women has been a victim or of an attempted
or can eat it rape in her lifetime. There are
it is fourteen point eight percent complete it, two point
eight percent attempt it. At about three percent of every
American male, or one in thirty three, has experienced or
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has experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.
And from two thousand nine twenty thirteen, child protective services
agencies substated or found strong evidence to indicate that over
sixty three thousand children a year were victims of sexual abuse.
Majority of the child victims are between the ages of
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twelve and seventeen of all ages under eighteen. Thirty four
percent of victims of sexual assault and rape are under
the age of twelve. Sixty six percent of all victims
of sexual assault and rape are between the ages of
Like I said, twelve to seventeen, every sixty eight seconds
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a individual on Americans so is sexually assaulted, and every
nine minutes that victim is a child. And probably the
most disgusting thing about sexual assault and the way that
we handle the aftermath here in the United States is
that only twenty five out of every one thousand perpetrators
will actually end up in a prison cell.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's crazy, fucked up.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So it's a weird statistic, and it Okay, I'm trying
to figure out how to say this. I don't sound
like a douchebag, but the way you said that only
so many out of so many that are essentially brought
to the system. It's a legend and accused, Yes, it's
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not necessarily equal guilty.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yes, And you have to have to consider it taken
to considering to how much these are statistics of people
that come forward that's not also individuals that have identified
or are too afraid to actually speak out on it.
I mean, look, you know, like ten years ago when
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me too kind of blew up. Yeah, all a lot
of those allegations and a lot of those reports that
came to pass had been decades in the making.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah. But I'm just wondering in that report that you
were just reading your numbers from when it said it
was one in twenty five go to prison or something.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Out of twenty five out of every one thousand perpetrators.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Go to prison. Yeah, so out of that thousand, how
many of them, due to evidence or lack thereof, ended
up not being guilty? Do you know what I'm saying,
I do. Some of those statistics can be weird the
way they're presented, and I know it's kind of a
shitty topic to kind of so yeah, I want to
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I want to be you get what I'm saying I do.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I I want to put a resource out into
your hands. But everyone else's so Earlier this year, there
was a book that came out called The History, uh,
the Secret History of the rape Kit, and it.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Was where they'sund is that where they have found like
hundreds of thousands if not more, unprocessed.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So it's not just that it's Also it's also like
the origins of like how that kit actually came to
be and what life was like before that kit, because
a lot of us, all of us on this show,
you know, we have lived our entire lives with the
rape kit actually being a thing. Where it's like before.
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I think it's like before it's been a few months
as I read, I think the statistic is like nineteen
seventy five is when.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Hold on, so real quick. I'm not defending any assaults
or assaulters at all. I just I question a lot
of those statistics because you can make statistics show anything
you want.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So yeah, So the around in nineteen seventy four nineteen
seventy five is when the first rape kit kind of
got put into place. And so that book chronicles specifically
the Chicago Police Department and how they handle sexual assaults
because that is the area of where the rape kit
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was actually invented. And particularly the reason I bring that
up is because the book chronicles how victims of rape
and sexual were actually handled, and they were laughing matters.
They basically were like looked down upon by cops, not
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taken seriously, and there is a weird law that I
believe it might still be an effect, but for any
married person. Some states actually say that. Don't quote me
on what states and if this is a thing, but
if I remember correctly, that marital rape is not a
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consider a thing because in the sixteen hundreds, I believe
that if a woman was married to a man and
she was raped, it was not viewed as rape because
she was considered quote unquote property of her husband.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, in our Fantasia first episode, I made reference to
the Last Duel, and that's what the story revolves around,
is one of the character's wives, Matt Damon's wife, getting raped,
and part of the defense that they had against her
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story was that I think they what did they say
something about she got pregnant from it or enjoyed it,
so it wasn't rape or something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, And as often the times that, like anytime you
hear something that like as victim talks like or someone
tells their stories. Part of the reason that I would
say that there is such a hesitance, hes intancy when
it comes through to actually talk about that ordeal, because
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you essentially are having to relive the worst moment in
your life, and.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Not only that you brought up the rape how many
people feel ashamed or anything when it happened, even later
when it happens, but early on that they don't go
get it done, so they don't have that evidence to
help catch the person that did that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So the like, the the process for a rape kit
is wild again. I that book has like just imprinted
itself onto me, but like you're essentially having to relive
that to tell it graphic detail wise. So the reason
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that I break it up is because of that. But
also starting in September, Victims and Villains is going to
be launching a brand new podcast called Sex and Mental Health.
We're gonna be talking about the intersection, both good and bad,
of the impacts that sex has on our mental health.
And one of those episodes, I actually sat down with
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Pagan Kennedy. She's a journalist but she's also the writer
behind The Secret History of the rape Kit, a true
crime story, and we talk a lot about that. So
keep your eyes out on that. It's it's gonna be
a good time. But if you were someone you know
is struggling, or have know someone that is, or even suspect,
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we recommend checking out the Mental Health Resource Library in
the show that's below or giving the Rain given the
RAIN National Sexual Assault Hotline a call. It's one eight
hundred sixty five six four three seven six, or you
can go to rain dot org, where you can also
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chat with a representative on there as well, and R
A I N N dot org.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You didn't think you were going to come up with
that much mental health stuff off this movie, did you?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This movie is like, it's just it's it's bloody, it's weird,
and I kind of don't really know what to make
of this because it embraces like so much. And that's
the That's the thing I love about anime is that
there's you can take a simple concept and just make
it as complex as you possibly can, and the results
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will be just wild.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They just have a way of getting away with things
and anime that you couldn't do in like a normal
cartoon and even in a lot of movies.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think one of the prime examples that I loved
about this is the Uh there's a scene that's the
Stone guy that we brought up just a few minutes ago.
He like literally just takes like a human apart and
just drinks them like a guy at a country resort
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having a cocktail, and I was like, I wrote it.
I know it's man being like, dude, this guy is
like really thirsty. He must not have had anything to
drink in a long time.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, that's just I don't know. He was an interesting
character to me, his whole design and his complete lack
of fucks to give about anything and taking out single
handedly taking out an entire trooping injes.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I mean he's a big stone guy, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
With that big giant sword that throws like a boomerang.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So I know it's an anime at all, But he's
a big stone guy and who was standing in a tree?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, so what's your point?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
He's standing on a limb in a tree. But he's
a big stone guy that's heavy as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Probably the physics don't then here.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I mean he throws like one hundred pound double bladed
sword like a boomerang, and he catches it with one hand.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Let me go back to something that Billy just said. Uh,
the laws of physics do not apply to.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Any any ani anime. What however, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Two words for you, my guy fan service. I'll leave
it at that. I don't want to get too sexual
after just the conversation we just had.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I know that they use a way over they
use anime over there to get away with a lot
of stuff that they can't show on TV.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Which is which is kind of how Hinntai came about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Exactly, which so it's so wild to me, like how
there is like this like cultural expectation for purity in
Japan from what I've found. And they're like, you know what,
we can our our loophole about it. We'll create an
we'll create a subgenre of anime, and we'll also take
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regular animes and you know, make these like unrealistic expect
expectations for like women and character designs that are just
skinny but like have huge boobs and round, round cheeks,
like you know, it's it's wild.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy. If you really want to,
if you want to see one that's talking about the
whole mental health aspect, watch the Evangelian series.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh yeah, you're like the third person that's recommended that
to me. And then they pause, they pause a little bit,
and then they're like, all right, so this is the timeline.
Then they explain the timeline and how many different series
and movies there are, and I'm just.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Like there's one series checked out, checked out, there's only
one series.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I was told there was like two or three series.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
There's one series. There's two movies that in the series,
and then they've done I think four movies. Yeah, I don't.
I that are one story and I don't know if
it's like a retelling or what it is, but it's
still fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You're not you're not talking me into this. I I
let me, let me, let me watch the original series
in the original in the start of Anime August for
all listeners. I am a casual anime fan, emphasis on casual,
So if you were going to recommend me something, it
has to be one to two seasons and under twenty
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four episodes, Like that's my threshold. Like most of the
series that I watch are like twelve episodes and I
can log them on letterbox, like that's I think.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I think Avan Gellians is like twenty twenty four somewhere
net I think that now it's only one season, but
it's it deals with a lot of stuff we have
covered over the years on here Survivor's Guilt.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Maybe we can a month of it. We probably could. Honestly,
it's like who who are thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
But it's actually it's more modern as well, so it
might be more of a time period that you might
like better than ninjas and samurai and stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You're really you really hung up on the fact that
I don't like that that I I.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm not, No, it's it's not hung up on it's
just just saying, we know, because it's not a period piece,
like I've come to accept the fact I will never
get you to watch Empire Corpses.
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Speaker 2 (38:56):
Uh, we need you to watch Empire Corpses in Life?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, there you go. So there is uh one, two, three?
How many of these are cannon There's so many. Yeah,
there's so many of them.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
That's how you can tell.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Here's a list here, all right, So there is uh
the first one death end of Evangelian. You are not alone.
You cannot advance, you cannot redo thrice upon a time.
So it looks like there's a trilogy. And then it
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looks like there's like this like pseudo quadrilogy.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
That are the four movies that they did over there?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, there's nine and one.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I can't remember if they're like a retelling or what
they are exactly, but they're cool movies, extremely well animated.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, is there anything else that you think we should
talk about on this this movie?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
So on the scale the Rorshack rating, what would you
get it?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'd give this one a three point five. It's it's
it's it's better than the average anime that I've seen,
but it's not necessarily to the caliber of some of
the other ones I've watched.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's kind of that sweet spot. Again. I didn't love
this movie. I didn't hate it. There were things about it.
I thought that we're done really well, but just kind
of overall was just kind of like, all right, I
understand where this fits into the influence of the on row,
why this is highly regarded. This just is not quite
your thing, not quite my thing. Yeah, fine, okay, I
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guess I could deal with that.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Got no choice. You got above a three, John, I mean, Mark,
deal with it. You've got a three.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Take your victory. This is this is nowhere near as
bad as the Abyss.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I love the Abyss, Thank you very much more.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Alien three.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I kind of like that one, of course you do.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
But then again, he liked Alien Resurrection so well as I.
Accounting for taste.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
As I previously mentioned, we'll be back next week talking
about continuing on anime. August. We are going to be
talking about Soul Station, which is the Train to busan prequel, right, Yes,
uh so, we'll be talking about that next week with
our good friends Nathan possibly chat from Genre Blast Film
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Festival talking about this year's selections. We are going to
have a bonus episode later this weekend for you guys
covering talking about all the things we did this year
with Fantasia Festival. Mark, Where can people find you online?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Hanging out with you?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Okay, occasionally occasionally chilling and twitch chats on painting streams,
but for the most part, I don't do much on
social media.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
If you would like a preview of our Fantasia episode, Mark,
let me rephrase that for you. You can find me lurking.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
In fact, when are we going to get paid for
the rights? For Mark?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
You can get paid for these notes, but.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You guys can find uh Mark here along with both
of us every Wednesday at six pm Eastern Standard time.
Wherever you guys get your podcasts from? Billy Where can
people find you online?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Everybody can find me at Letterbox at VA Boy ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
And you guys can find me. I'm also at Captain Nostalgia.
Go check out the Victims and Villain's podcast as well.
I just did a couple of interviews with some of
the filmmakers behind Queer Screams Film Festival this year, and
I have a Part two coming out in a couple
of days. So remember, the longer you gaze into the Abyss,
the more the Abyss gazes back into you.
You are listenings to Abiscasing, a horror podcast where we
celebrate all things spooky and mental health.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm your co host, Mark, I'm Billy with my other
comrades here, and.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I am your co host Josh, and we are kicking
off anime August. These guys finally got me to do
an entire month of this subgenre, and Mark's pick is
up first. Will I hate it? Will I love it?
Let's find out.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean it's Ninja Scrolls. It's a classic. It's one
of the ones that's reckoned ended when people are starting
to get into anime.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And it's one of the ones that brought anime over
to the US.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Or clarification too, we are talking about the nineteen ninety
three movie, yes, not the two thousand and three I
believe series of the same.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Name, and I believe there's also a sequel movie as well,
and I've heard neither one of them or as good
as the original. But I mean, Anime to the States
was primarily A Kira was the big introduction.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The only reason I didn't pick A Kira was because
it was sci fi and you're not a big sci
fi fan, but there was violence in this and it's awesome,
and you're still gonna end up hating it, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I didn't hate this movie. I didn't expect. I feel
like you hyped it up a little bit too much
for me to where this movie is good, but it
doesn't quite make the imprint that other animes have made
on me. And that's not necessarily a bad thing or
like a commentary on the quality of the film or
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anything that makes up the film it is. I think
just my taste as a as a viewer, is it because.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It was and he started with the newer stuff?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, oh technically yes, Like my favorite anime of all
time is the is the og Ghost in the.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Shell that came out about the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So like it's two years two years, yeah from it,
and so like I really do. I think I love
Ghost in the Shell more for the themes of like
identity and technology and like how both of those like
intertwined with mental health. I thought that they were. It's
an all time classic, you know, But I've seen like
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other like quote unquote like classics that a lot of
people recommend when getting into this genre, like Akira and
Perfect Blue This One City, which we covered last.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Year, Perfect Blue is just so fucked up.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, no, I'm not gonna not gonna deny that or
disagree with you there. Perfect Blue is a mind fucking
a hat.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I mean, one of the things I like about this
it's a it's it's a cool story overall, really cool
characters and the animation. It's nineteen ninety three, and the
animation stands up as well today as it did back then.
If you put it up against a lot of today's
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modern like especially US animation, that'll blow it out of
the water, and a hand drawn sequences.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There is something that's like really striking about the animation
from like Lady's early nineties anime that I think, regardless
of how you feel about the genre, whether you're a
fan or not, I think you have to give it props,
like this is gorgeous animation. Because US wise, right around
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this time is when we started progressing into kind of
that transition from a hand drawn to three D and
you know, toy stories a couple of years away, Shrek Ants,
a lot of those kind of were at the forefront
of those, and Disney as a whole was kind of
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starting to get away from this art form so much
so that Don Bluth around this time, like left and
started trying to like go make his other to kind
of keep two D animation alive as all state Side.
But like you look at like other entries from around
this era, whether you're talking about Dragon Ball, Akira, Ghost
in the Shell, Perfect Blue, they all kind of had
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this just really riking, intoxicating animation that was just not
being produced as readily in Stateside around that time.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I mean, and Nyazaki he still does that today with
his stuff with Studio Ghibli. He has actually been on
record stating that computer generated cartoons and animation just to
don't have the soul that hand drown does it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You don't. I'm a huge sucker for that, and I've
always kind of been partial to it. It's not to
say that there aren't good movies that are made in
the three D animation era.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It just doesn't have the same feel.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It just doesn't hit the same You're right, like it
just kind of feels like it's it's void of, as
he said, like a soul. Because anyone can sit behind
a computer and map out a movie. It's really I
don't always say it's easy, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Enough with enough time and practice anybody could essentially do
an animated computer generated movie.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, and you don't really, whereas it takes a lot
of skill and time and effort to do this type
of animation.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, and there's tens, if not hundreds of thousands of
frames of art for these movies.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Billy's over here, all quiet.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Because I'm waiting to hear if you actually liked it
or not.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I already said I enjoyed the film. I don't know
this is this is one of those movies that's.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Mark gave you boobs.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's it's a good movie. I don't know necessarily if
it's a movie that would warrant any rewatches from me.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh well, I mean I think it's.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think it's one of those like good on the
like the first time, and I'm like, I'm satisfied and
content with a one time watch.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't know, oh how many times I've seen this
movie over the years. I know this is the first
time I watched it in probably about five or six years,
but I've watched it a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It had been longer for me. But I mean I
watched it twice this week, just to you know. I
always watch movies more than once whenever we're doing one,
but it had been years since I had seen it,
but it's still one of the like, like you said,
earlier classics are originals because whenever I first started, I
was watching Dragon Ball and then this is what the
other movies I saw. But I Am with you. Ghost
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in the Shell is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I think for me one of the things that
I really loved about this movie is part of the
reason that now, especially as the weirder I get with
my like horror picks. Thanks to the fine folks at
Genre Blast that I'll be joining us next week alongside
of you know, Trauma and some of the submissions that
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some of the films we've programmed for Horrific Hope and
other film festivals. I love weird films now, I feel
like I'm kind of conditioned to love it, and there
I feel like Adabay is one of those subgenre or
like genres that's not afraid to just get weird. Like
there's there's some like weird things in this movie, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Like really weird, but there's also some like really cool characters.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Too, there is. Yeah, that's part of the part of
the reason I think this film has such a strong
has such a strong following, is because of the characters,
but also it's the visuals. It's the It is the
the strangeness and the uniqueness, because there's not a whole
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lot of movies that were being made around this time
that are like this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean the storyline is not bad, even though
I know you didn't watch it for the storyline at
a certain point, But the storyline's not bad. I mean,
it's it's one of the standard storylines of you get
a ninja or somebody that's just being all on his own.
All of a sudden he meets a couple other people
and then he has to save the world or save
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the country or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's kind of weird. It starts to lose me a
little bit. Mark You're you are rights. I've established it
over over time that I'm not huge on period pieces,
and it's not necessarily the reason that I don't like
this movie, because I don't hate this movie. But I
also didn't love this movie. I thought this was a
really solid entry into the genre and one that I'm
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grateful you made me watch for this episode. But again,
it's not one that I'm like clamoring to watch again.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I guess that is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Take take your take your goddamn victory man Mark.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You know he when she dropped the rope so.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Or snake Lady with the snake between the legs.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah so so uh so I wrote in my my
notes when uh like he was in the temple and
she was like guarding it. Uh is it jupy jew Bee? Yeah,
but uh uh, we're gonna mispronounce a whole lot of
I don't remember name, but like his uh yeah, so
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like his it's like partner in crime throughout this movie
is a chick named uh yeah, Jero I want to
say that's that's right. It's k A G E r
oh and yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So she comes into the temple and is like right
behind the snake Lady, and the snake Lader just kind
of gives us like smirk and then you just see
a little snake slither out of the j J And
I was like, all right, okay, cool, that's my favorite
scene in the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So I figured it was you notice I called it
out right away. I knew what what was your favorite seed?
It wasn't with the rock, dude, it was with the snake.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Was my favorite one is the Beehive guy, that guy,
the guy, the Wasp guy. Yeah, that was like such
a cool sequence.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah. I like the fight with the rock dude at
the beginning between juh, that whole sequence where he takes
out the ninjas in the forest and it's just like
raining blooded body parts, and then when he actually fights
Jube later. Those two, those two are like my two
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favorite seeds.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I I think the snake Lady also, like just conceptually
might be my favorite.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
The way she dropped out as a husk.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Kind of in that way, but like also the idea
of I've seen that concept before in like other films
where like tattoos like actually like come to life. That's
such a creepy aesthetic. Uh. And the way that like
the more that she gave into the tattoos, the more
that like it actually drained her of her life, which
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I just kind of thought was such a visual marvel,
but like also such a compelling story element as well.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah. I mean a lot of the concepts I have
seen in a lot of the other animes, like the
dude that controls all the threads use it in different ways.
Like we've already mentioned a wasp. It's usually a Bee
or something like that or some of the other ones.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
He was a very the dude I can't remember his
name was a very minor role.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, it's like one, yeah, he's gone.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, and the Blind Swordsman was the other one.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think, a cool character, but just had a minor role.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think one of the things that this movie does
really well that I was really impressed me is the
fact that we kind of meet a meet a lot
of very minor characters. Like I would argue they're all memorable,
like and I would argue that, like every one we've
talked about so far has been a minor character, but
the way that they're written, the way that they're visualized,
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and the threat that they.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Pose to.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Jewbe is incredible. Like that's just exceptional storytelling right there.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
And they did it. They do a solid build up
to the rematch between Jube and Genma at the end.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, it was solid.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, it just the whole thing builds. You find out
that they had fought earlier and he had killed Genma,
to find out that he has the ability to reincarnate
and heal himself, and they show him crush his face
in that final fight and he just starts regenerating his face,
and he like so good.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So I got a question for both y'all, what would
you do if you had that power?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I don't know what when I also have unlimited wealth
that would come with it? Or would I be stuck
in a perpetual cycle of debt?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, see in that note, you don't have to already
have the wealth because you can't really die, So you
could do all kinds of stuff to figure out how
to get the wealth.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You could fake your death and get out of the debt.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe life insurance. Take out a couple of life insurance,
fake your death, change your name, then you got the wealth.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Josh, I honestly don't know what I would do. I
would I would try to see like how far I could,
like actually kind of I guess, push myself, and I
guess I also really wouldn't struggle with anxiety anymore because
that type of shit is the source of my anxiety.
So I wouldn't have anxiety anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, oh I get that, trust me. That's ever. But
he's anxiety.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, it's just I mean, it's just a solid anime
entry all the way around. There's there's really not what
the to me, the most forgettable character out of all
of them was the girl that like blows up corpses
and stuff. She was the most forgettable out of all
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of them.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
She had what a split second in there, not even that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Out of the side character, she had a handful of scenes.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, but like you said it, it's not memorable to me.
I remember she was in a scene with the dude
that does the threads, and then I knew the scene
where she blows up the the one guy that she
had was already killed and sewed up so.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And then and then she blew up lightning guy too.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Also, I want to I just want to talk about
this opening scene real quick where he's just kind of
dude is walking just given no fucks as he's just
enjoying his rice. Like I was like, man, first off,
this is a cool this is a solid opening in
two one day. I hope to be as confident as
this man.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And and the argument they were having about oh, we
had all this gold and you you gave it away
and you only took like twenty gold when you could
have had tons and all. I was like, man, just
to think of having all that gold would be a
lot of people would not turn it away. They would
turn a blind eye and not turn the people in.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I mean that whole that that whole scene was just
cool too. The way the fight went down. You had
the one little short guy with a gun and almost
like a suit. Yeah, that that was just kind of
a cool thing to see in general.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
See, my favorite scene was towards the end with uh,
I can't think of the guy's name, is it Jimmy, Jimi? Gimma,
there you go. Where after they had the fight scene,
he just got engulfed in all the gold while it
was hot. Yeah, it burned him to death.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It didn't burn him to death, regenerated.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Make him a gold statue in the bottom of the water.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, he will be forever trapped at the bottom of
the ocean.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Also sad you guys make fun of me. I just
want to bring this up. What kind of person interrupts
another person while they're having sex?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Which time didn't it happen more than what it happened
with the rock guy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It happened during the rape scene, and it happened when
she came to give her report shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But that's the one that I'm that, that's it's the
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
He like, he don't he did know. He kept going.
He puts very briefly, very briefly, and then he kept
going because it was like if he's paused long.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So that scene in general, if you notice stated I
want to know, was that lady hooker. There's a good
chance if it's in Japan during that time, it may
have been part of a harem. That's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I was going to say a concubine.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But yeah, the the girl that survived the attack and
everything with the rock dude, Yeah, you can tell that
he her hearing everything while she was given the report,
(18:42):
was bothering her from her from what just.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Happened because she couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Well, no, because she had just survived being raped, Yeah,
that attempted rape.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah. I wasn't looking at it like, yeah, I was
looking at the fact that on her storyline, because she's poisoned,
she can't get close to anybody.
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Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because she was reporting back after she got free, and
that was after the big rock dude tried to rape her.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Which is like such an uncomfortable scenes. Probably it's probably
the darkest this movie. I feel like gets from it,
and I'm kind of glad that you you get away
from it, but like you still kind of see the
after effects of like what is taking place, Like it's
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never kind of brought up or spoken of again, but
I feel like it's very rare in animation that a
you see something like sexual assault be depicted and like
shown honestly and to that just from the facial expressions,
you actually get to see the the inner workings of
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how that experience has affected that person's mental health.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
And knowing that she's also essentially a warrior that's dealing
with actual trauma. She may have killed people and all
kinds of stuff, but stuff still affects her.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, that's kind of hinted towards later in the movie.
Whenever she tries to give herself to Jube, And I
mean he has more respect for her than that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well during the scene, like he tells her, he essentially
it doesn't matter if you're a corpse or not while
he's while he's assaulting her.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I kind of just because there's not a whole
lot of mental health within this movie at least outright,
I kind of just want to go over and share
some like very brief statistics real quick about its individuals
affected bisexual violence in the US. So every sixty eight
(22:48):
seconds an American is sexually assaulted. One out of every
six women has been a victim or of an attempted
or can eat it rape in her lifetime. There are
it is fourteen point eight percent complete it, two point
eight percent attempt it. At about three percent of every
American male, or one in thirty three, has experienced or
(23:13):
has experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.
And from two thousand nine twenty thirteen, child protective services
agencies substated or found strong evidence to indicate that over
sixty three thousand children a year were victims of sexual abuse.
Majority of the child victims are between the ages of
(23:37):
twelve and seventeen of all ages under eighteen. Thirty four
percent of victims of sexual assault and rape are under
the age of twelve. Sixty six percent of all victims
of sexual assault and rape are between the ages of
Like I said, twelve to seventeen, every sixty eight seconds
(23:59):
a individual on Americans so is sexually assaulted, and every
nine minutes that victim is a child. And probably the
most disgusting thing about sexual assault and the way that
we handle the aftermath here in the United States is
that only twenty five out of every one thousand perpetrators
will actually end up in a prison cell.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's crazy, fucked up.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So it's a weird statistic, and it Okay, I'm trying
to figure out how to say this. I don't sound
like a douchebag, but the way you said that only
so many out of so many that are essentially brought
to the system. It's a legend and accused, Yes, it's
(24:53):
not necessarily equal guilty.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yes, And you have to have to consider it taken
to considering to how much these are statistics of people
that come forward that's not also individuals that have identified
or are too afraid to actually speak out on it.
I mean, look, you know, like ten years ago when
(25:17):
me too kind of blew up. Yeah, all a lot
of those allegations and a lot of those reports that
came to pass had been decades in the making.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah. But I'm just wondering in that report that you
were just reading your numbers from when it said it
was one in twenty five go to prison or something.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Out of twenty five out of every one thousand perpetrators.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Go to prison. Yeah, so out of that thousand, how
many of them, due to evidence or lack thereof, ended
up not being guilty? Do you know what I'm saying,
I do. Some of those statistics can be weird the
way they're presented, and I know it's kind of a
shitty topic to kind of so yeah, I want to
(26:11):
I want to be you get what I'm saying I do.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I I want to put a resource out into
your hands. But everyone else's so Earlier this year, there
was a book that came out called The History, uh,
the Secret History of the rape Kit, and it.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Was where they'sund is that where they have found like
hundreds of thousands if not more, unprocessed.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So it's not just that it's Also it's also like
the origins of like how that kit actually came to
be and what life was like before that kit, because
a lot of us, all of us on this show,
you know, we have lived our entire lives with the
rape kit actually being a thing. Where it's like before.
(27:00):
I think it's like before it's been a few months
as I read, I think the statistic is like nineteen
seventy five is when.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Hold on, so real quick. I'm not defending any assaults
or assaulters at all. I just I question a lot
of those statistics because you can make statistics show anything
you want.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So yeah, So the around in nineteen seventy four nineteen
seventy five is when the first rape kit kind of
got put into place. And so that book chronicles specifically
the Chicago Police Department and how they handle sexual assaults
because that is the area of where the rape kit
(27:49):
was actually invented. And particularly the reason I bring that
up is because the book chronicles how victims of rape
and sexual were actually handled, and they were laughing matters.
They basically were like looked down upon by cops, not
(28:09):
taken seriously, and there is a weird law that I
believe it might still be an effect, but for any
married person. Some states actually say that. Don't quote me
on what states and if this is a thing, but
if I remember correctly, that marital rape is not a
(28:32):
consider a thing because in the sixteen hundreds, I believe
that if a woman was married to a man and
she was raped, it was not viewed as rape because
she was considered quote unquote property of her husband.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, in our Fantasia first episode, I made reference to
the Last Duel, and that's what the story revolves around,
is one of the character's wives, Matt Damon's wife, getting raped,
and part of the defense that they had against her
(29:12):
story was that I think they what did they say
something about she got pregnant from it or enjoyed it,
so it wasn't rape or something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, And as often the times that, like anytime you
hear something that like as victim talks like or someone
tells their stories. Part of the reason that I would
say that there is such a hesitance, hes intancy when
it comes through to actually talk about that ordeal, because
(29:45):
you essentially are having to relive the worst moment in
your life, and.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Not only that you brought up the rape how many
people feel ashamed or anything when it happened, even later
when it happens, but early on that they don't go
get it done, so they don't have that evidence to
help catch the person that did that.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So the like, the the process for a rape kit
is wild again. I that book has like just imprinted
itself onto me, but like you're essentially having to relive
that to tell it graphic detail wise. So the reason
(30:33):
that I break it up is because of that. But
also starting in September, Victims and Villains is going to
be launching a brand new podcast called Sex and Mental Health.
We're gonna be talking about the intersection, both good and bad,
of the impacts that sex has on our mental health.
And one of those episodes, I actually sat down with
(30:56):
Pagan Kennedy. She's a journalist but she's also the writer
behind The Secret History of the rape Kit, a true
crime story, and we talk a lot about that. So
keep your eyes out on that. It's it's gonna be
a good time. But if you were someone you know
is struggling, or have know someone that is, or even suspect,
(31:18):
we recommend checking out the Mental Health Resource Library in
the show that's below or giving the Rain given the
RAIN National Sexual Assault Hotline a call. It's one eight
hundred sixty five six four three seven six, or you
can go to rain dot org, where you can also
(31:43):
chat with a representative on there as well, and R
A I N N dot org.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You didn't think you were going to come up with
that much mental health stuff off this movie, did you?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
This movie is like, it's just it's it's bloody, it's weird,
and I kind of don't really know what to make
of this because it embraces like so much. And that's
the That's the thing I love about anime is that
there's you can take a simple concept and just make
it as complex as you possibly can, and the results
(32:22):
will be just wild.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They just have a way of getting away with things
and anime that you couldn't do in like a normal
cartoon and even in a lot of movies.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think one of the prime examples that I loved
about this is the Uh there's a scene that's the
Stone guy that we brought up just a few minutes ago.
He like literally just takes like a human apart and
just drinks them like a guy at a country resort
(32:56):
having a cocktail, and I was like, I wrote it.
I know it's man being like, dude, this guy is
like really thirsty. He must not have had anything to
drink in a long time.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, that's just I don't know. He was an interesting
character to me, his whole design and his complete lack
of fucks to give about anything and taking out single
handedly taking out an entire trooping injes.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I mean he's a big stone guy, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
With that big giant sword that throws like a boomerang.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So I know it's an anime at all, But he's
a big stone guy and who was standing in a tree?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, so what's your point?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
He's standing on a limb in a tree. But he's
a big stone guy that's heavy as hell.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Probably the physics don't then here.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I mean he throws like one hundred pound double bladed
sword like a boomerang, and he catches it with one hand.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Let me go back to something that Billy just said. Uh,
the laws of physics do not apply to.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Any any ani anime. What however, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Two words for you, my guy fan service. I'll leave
it at that. I don't want to get too sexual
after just the conversation we just had.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But I know that they use a way over they
use anime over there to get away with a lot
of stuff that they can't show on TV.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Which is which is kind of how Hinntai came about.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Exactly, which so it's so wild to me, like how
there is like this like cultural expectation for purity in
Japan from what I've found. And they're like, you know what,
we can our our loophole about it. We'll create an
we'll create a subgenre of anime, and we'll also take
(34:58):
regular animes and you know, make these like unrealistic expect
expectations for like women and character designs that are just
skinny but like have huge boobs and round, round cheeks,
like you know, it's it's wild.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy. If you really want to,
if you want to see one that's talking about the
whole mental health aspect, watch the Evangelian series.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh yeah, you're like the third person that's recommended that
to me. And then they pause, they pause a little bit,
and then they're like, all right, so this is the timeline.
Then they explain the timeline and how many different series
and movies there are, and I'm just.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Like there's one series checked out, checked out, there's only
one series.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I was told there was like two or three series.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
There's one series. There's two movies that in the series,
and then they've done I think four movies. Yeah, I don't.
I that are one story and I don't know if
it's like a retelling or what it is, but it's
still fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You're not you're not talking me into this. I I
let me, let me, let me watch the original series
in the original in the start of Anime August for
all listeners. I am a casual anime fan, emphasis on casual,
So if you were going to recommend me something, it
has to be one to two seasons and under twenty
(36:41):
four episodes, Like that's my threshold. Like most of the
series that I watch are like twelve episodes and I
can log them on letterbox, like that's I think.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I think Avan Gellians is like twenty twenty four somewhere
net I think that now it's only one season, but
it's it deals with a lot of stuff we have
covered over the years on here Survivor's Guilt.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Maybe we can a month of it. We probably could. Honestly,
it's like who who are thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
But it's actually it's more modern as well, so it
might be more of a time period that you might
like better than ninjas and samurai and stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
You're really you really hung up on the fact that
I don't like that that I I.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I'm not, No, it's it's not hung up on it's
just just saying, we know, because it's not a period piece,
like I've come to accept the fact I will never
get you to watch Empire Corpses.
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Speaker 2 (38:56):
Uh, we need you to watch Empire Corpses in Life?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, there you go. So there is uh one, two, three?
How many of these are cannon There's so many. Yeah,
there's so many of them.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
That's how you can tell.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Here's a list here, all right, So there is uh
the first one death end of Evangelian. You are not alone.
You cannot advance, you cannot redo thrice upon a time.
So it looks like there's a trilogy. And then it
(39:48):
looks like there's like this like pseudo quadrilogy.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
That are the four movies that they did over there?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, there's nine and one.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I can't remember if they're like a retelling or what
they are exactly, but they're cool movies, extremely well animated.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, is there anything else that you think we should
talk about on this this movie?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
So on the scale the Rorshack rating, what would you
get it?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'd give this one a three point five. It's it's
it's it's better than the average anime that I've seen,
but it's not necessarily to the caliber of some of
the other ones I've watched.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's kind of that sweet spot. Again. I didn't love
this movie. I didn't hate it. There were things about it.
I thought that we're done really well, but just kind
of overall was just kind of like, all right, I
understand where this fits into the influence of the on row,
why this is highly regarded. This just is not quite
your thing, not quite my thing. Yeah, fine, okay, I
(41:10):
guess I could deal with that.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Got no choice. You got above a three, John, I mean, Mark,
deal with it. You've got a three.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Take your victory. This is this is nowhere near as
bad as the Abyss.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I love the Abyss, Thank you very much more.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Alien three.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I kind of like that one, of course you do.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
But then again, he liked Alien Resurrection so well as I.
Accounting for taste.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
As I previously mentioned, we'll be back next week talking
about continuing on anime. August. We are going to be
talking about Soul Station, which is the Train to busan prequel, right, Yes,
uh so, we'll be talking about that next week with
our good friends Nathan possibly chat from Genre Blast Film
(42:03):
Festival talking about this year's selections. We are going to
have a bonus episode later this weekend for you guys
covering talking about all the things we did this year
with Fantasia Festival. Mark, Where can people find you online?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Hanging out with you?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Okay, occasionally occasionally chilling and twitch chats on painting streams,
but for the most part, I don't do much on
social media.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
If you would like a preview of our Fantasia episode, Mark,
let me rephrase that for you. You can find me lurking.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
In fact, when are we going to get paid for
the rights? For Mark?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
You can get paid for these notes, but.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You guys can find uh Mark here along with both
of us every Wednesday at six pm Eastern Standard time.
Wherever you guys get your podcasts from? Billy Where can
people find you online?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Everybody can find me at Letterbox at VA Boy ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
And you guys can find me. I'm also at Captain Nostalgia.
Go check out the Victims and Villain's podcast as well.
I just did a couple of interviews with some of
the filmmakers behind Queer Screams Film Festival this year, and
I have a Part two coming out in a couple
of days. So remember, the longer you gaze into the Abyss,
the more the Abyss gazes back into you.
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