Predator: Killer of Killers (2025) | Episode #165

We’re staring into the abyss of 2025’s Predator: Killer of Killers to see what will gaze back. We’re back to Anime August with our good friends Loxias to discuss the Predator franchise’s first array into animation. In this episode, the gents talk about everything from the franchise’s evolution, the mental health of shame & much more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, you're listening to a Biscasing, a horror podcast where
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our resident alien guy got scared of the predator and
didn't show up tonight, but this is Billy.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. We wish Mark very well in fighting those aliens.
My name is Josh and we are joined on this
episode by some good local friends of Victims at Villains.
We are joined by Colin and Jacob of the band Lokius.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
What Up, what's up?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hello, Welcome to the show. This has been like a
podcast that has been like I think the I think
we had talked about doing this like a year ago
when we first did a show together.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
I think it was honestly pretty close to a year
ago from the show coming off.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, well, I'm glad that we were finally able to
do something with you guys, and hopefully the next time
I bring you guys on it doesn't take an entire
like year, like.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Maybe maybe we'll bring you back bart to me like
a few months suspend well with that year a long
ago friendship, we kind of kicked off and did an
interview with these guys, so we will provide those for
you guys in the show. Not us below, But on
this episode, we are chugging along in anime August with

(01:42):
my pick, and I'm going to take a page out
of Billy's book and pick something that is a little
bit brand new, actually only a few months old at
this point, has has not even had the ability to
walk yet. We're talking about Predator, Killer of Killers. It's
a Hulu original animated film, and it is the first
Predator movie that is animated, and I am kind of curious.

(02:06):
I've turned over to the lakiest guys. You guys go first,
what are your general thoughts on this movie?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
I think personally, this is a direction they should have
done sooner, because you can still have.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
Some of the goofy, quippie stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
That was you know, very president in the early movies,
and a lot of it that's failed to land in
like the Predator or like even Predators or stuff like that.
So you can still have that, you know, quippie bit,
but you can really exercise the brutality and like the
weight of a lot of these fight scenes and you
don't have to worry about the physical human aspect of choreography.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
Yeah, and that animation style in the same vein of
like arcane all that stuff. That's it's really awesome. And
like he was saying, you can kind of the battle
scenes in this are you could do obviously a lot
more now with that kind of animation style that you
could and like the normal movies, and it just it's
cool to see them go through the eras and show
like these different types of battles and how they're assimilating

(03:09):
to how to fight. And I know that's the Predator's style,
but it's just cool to kind of see that and
to see that's all on a new kind of format.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Then with animation too, you don't worry about, you know,
people getting so taken out of the movie or scenes
by like, oh that cgi looks bad.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
You know that. I mean that's cool.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
That's practical effects, but you know it's obviously like not
great practical effects, where if it's animated, you're getting that
artistic style throughout.

Speaker 8 (03:34):
I mean, I agree with them.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
This is one of those movie series that actually lends
itself to animation. It's it's a lot easier to take
a lot of the stuff from the Predator movies and
like expand upon it with animation. Even though I like
the practical effects animation, the world's a little bit more
open to where.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
They can do more. Yeah, I fully agree with every
one of you guys. I am actually shocked that we
haven't seen something animated before now because this world is
and there's so much things that you can do with
a character like the Predator. I think that was part
of the reason that Prey was so refreshing, was that

(04:14):
you can drop this being into other time periods, you know,
whether you're talking about than the Native American age that
we see in Prey, or the Viking or the feudal
Japan or even World War two that we see here.
You know, there's so many different things, and then you

(04:36):
can also have these like big epic battles and like
Jacob said, like make it bloody, like make a gush,
and like you don't have to worry about the sensors
and shit like that. Like this movie felt incredibly refreshing
to me, and I have always kind of been on
that Predator is a fine movie. I understand why it's

(04:57):
a staple for some people. It's just fine. I don't
really think Predator really starts to like be a franchise
that feels like it has a future or a direction
until Prey. This one doubles down on that as well.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Oh yeah, and like to piggyback off of that.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
You know, Predator just feels like an eighties action movie
with a really cool villain or like a boss behind it.
It didn't even really have universal gravity until Predator too.
When you saw that, you know, these things have been
in places other than Earth.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, it's kind of like I think this, this movie,
this this franchise for so long kind of suffered from
what I'll call Skywalker syndrome, where you know, the very
first few words of every Star Wars movie in a
galaxy far far away, but yet it always maintains to

(05:54):
revolve around this singular family and like a few other characters.
And that's for a long time what the Predator branchise
felt like. It felt like we're gonna go on Earth
because it's familiar Predators. I mean, you can it's kind
of like a breath of fresh air a little bit.
It feels like a little bit of a misstep, But
it's a movie that I can like respect because it

(06:17):
did something different than the first two entries.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, and I even would say like they even tried
to ride In my opinion, with the with Predators when
they made Adrian Brody try to feel like an americanized
Dutch you know, it tried to make very much like that,
and it's like they're still trying to ride the same coattails,
and you know they're they're trying to ride nostalgia instead

(06:44):
of take what they had and either innovate or just
do something cool with it.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, and then then it comes along Dan, this dude,
Dan Trachtenberg, and he's like, this is what this could
be and gives us two bangers with I'm just gonna
throw this out there. I think back Lands is gonna
be one of the best sci fi movies of this year.
That's my prediction. It looks fucking incredible the marketing for it,
Like he's proven that he can do too direct to video,

(07:10):
like essentially direct video movies in this franchise. Now he's
getting a chance to like bring it into Imax and
give these guys and it also looks like he's gonna
like give us a different side of that to where
like Redditor has always been kind of the the villain
so to say, and now it's like we're gonna make
him sympathetic and there's gonna be other guys. So he's

(07:34):
like keeps challenging the audience for what this franchise can be,
and it's incredibly refreshing.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, of course, Like as soon as they announced bad Lands,
if you goa went to any comics section, everyone was like.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Oh, look at their did to the design of the
out show. They made it look so dumb. It's like
it's a kid, Like you do realize that's a kid.
It's an alien child. Make fun of it quick.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
All right, well, we're gonna take it quicker. Our show break,
we're gonna on the other side of the commercial break,
we are gonna be jumping into spoiler stuff. You guys
haven't seen this movie. It is currently a Hulu exclusive,
which is about to be I'm pretty sure a Disney
Plus exclusive because Hulu is getting ready to shut down.

Speaker 9 (08:17):
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Speaker 10 (08:23):
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Moping up. I don't back.

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Don't took b.

Speaker 11 (10:14):
Not trying to happen.

Speaker 13 (10:18):
Every time that happened, He's just.

Speaker 11 (10:33):
Gotta helpless.

Speaker 10 (12:04):
Out let.

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Me like you don't know me, don't be.

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Don't say, guys.

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Comes dot.

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My glass. I do.

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Speaker 1 (14:46):
Have worth, So please stay with us. Welcome back to
a biscusing a horror podcasts. But before you get into
the way of the Predator and all of his spoilers
that his ship will bring. This is your official spoiler warnings.
So if you haven't seen Killer of Killers, boz like it,

(15:07):
come back to it. We're gonna jump into it. Billy,
you go kick us off.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So, I mean, like I was saying earlier, I actually
liked this. You mentioned that you were shocked that it
didn't have the animation earlier. I'm kind of glad they
waited just because of the style and everything. Animation was
able to build on itself and it got better as
it went.

Speaker 8 (15:29):
And what was it arcane? I think was the one
that you mentioned and just to see the success and
that helps this.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Also, I am kind of curious for you guys and
just kind of everyone's general opinion. Does this movie exist
without Spider Verse? Let me elaborate before you guys answer,
because Spider Verse was another Villa, was another property that
had never done animation on this scale before, and it

(16:01):
kind of cracked up in the world to where we're
starting to see more high ips kind of work in
this really experimental animation space and tell these really incredible stories.

Speaker 8 (16:14):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
And the only reason I would say is if you
look at the animation style and everything, especially for horror
or horror adjacent things. I really think the you know
directive platform, you know, Guiding Light that did this for
this franchise and potentially a lot of other future franchises.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
I would have to give it to Love Death and Robots.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh that's fair, all right, Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Mean I think it would still exist. Like I said earlier,
this this franchise leans itself towards animation. It's very easy
to maneuver into animation just from the regular movies. So
the fact that this movie is so easy too good
to the animation. I think you can build and show
other movies following the lead on this one.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, I think where I said that, like I think
they should have done it sooner is similar to something
like Spider Man. You know, it did translate so well
to comic books, you know when they did it that
they could expand upon the story and take characters you know,
that have essentially aged out and still keep them young
to expand their story. But like you know, in my opinion,

(17:23):
if they would have done an animated film like this
for maybe not the first ADP because that one had
to happen, but for Requiem, I think that would have
been a much better animated film and they could have
done a lot more with it instead of you know,
two thousand and seven.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
Everything's dark kind of cinematize.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Makes it kind of wonder too, because of how how
you find all the characters at the end too. Are
they going to be pulling like a Marvel what if
type of scenario, you know, where they take all these
past characters that have been in is are any of
these going to be in bad Lands or are we
going to see any of them? Because that's not an
animated movie.

Speaker 8 (17:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, I'm really curious to kind of see what this
ending teases because I mean, you got the you know,
we got the the Prey, and then we got uh,
the praise young lady who's name a character I cannot.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Remember, Mirror Mirror or something like that.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think so that we have Duke, uh,
you know, so like.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
They tried.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, this franchise is not like not it's not
the first time that we've tried to welcome Duke back
to the to the fold. You know, we all remember
The Predator, you know, say what you will about that movie,
but the ending was like, oh, nudge, nudge, like, yep,
the Duke, this this guy that you remember they.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Pull you know.

Speaker 7 (18:45):
That's and now we've got to uh, we've got two
characters now just in the on the Predator planet.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
You know.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
Now they're just running around in the ship now, so
what they leave it open ended on that so you
never know who's coming back. And now the Viking woman,
I can't remember her name, but she she is now
back on the ship too.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
She's now in the normal cryo story. Yeah, with Arnold's
character and Danny Glover, you know. And then yeah, I
wonder if they're gonna have Correz And I cannot remember
the guy from the Pupil Japan segment's name.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
But if they're actually had a name him, but I
think I.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Want you're going to have them show up in bad Lands.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I am almost kind of curious if this movie like
kind of builds to almost kind of like a so
in the DC mythology, they have this they have this
planet called war World where they basically take uh, characters
from all over the DC Universe multiverse and kind of

(19:51):
like pit them against one another. It's runed by a
guy named Mongol, and I'm almost kind of curious if
they're almost going to take that approach into it to
where they're gonna potentially, like, you know, not it's not
something that we're gonna see necessarily in bad Lands, but
you know potentially in like an eventual fingers crossed a

(20:12):
VP like actually done.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well, yeah, you're bringing me back, because by the way,
that was one of my favorite like Justice League Animated
series episodes. But no, that makes me wonder like, is
this like the Yaucha home World or is this like
Predators where this is just another hunting world by another tribe.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Mm hmmm, well in bad Lands, is this is this
a rogue predator, Like he's fighting the other predators on
this plant because like at some point they could all.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I thought the whole plot behind it is like he's
a young one that's like trying to like earn his
right to become a hunter, and he's kind of having
that existential crisis of do I help this android and
keep working with the whyland Utahanni android, or do I
just follow what I'm supposed to do, what my ancestors did.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's like either correct, I'm pretty
sure you do that that or he's been like excommunicated.
He's like trying to like his like value to the
to the to the to the team. But yeah, I
think the where we are going to be end up
going with all of these characters that we've seen before,

(21:22):
it's going to be really interesting and I think it'll
be the lynchpin of kind of where they're building up to.
You know, we're in an age now of cinematic universes
where everyone wants to tell multi stories that are kind
of coming together, And honestly, I think I think you

(21:43):
could tell like a short anime series with this and
kind of build it that way, Like I don't I
don't want this movie to be the only animated entry
we have into this franchise. Like, this movie is way
too good to just kind of be a standalone.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think a lot of them might actually, they might
be kind of watching from the sidelines and see how
well something like Alien Earth does. It's like a franchise
like that, how well does it translate to a series.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean, I haven't watched the first two episodes as
of this recording yet, but I've heard literally nothing but
good things about that.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, I've got a coworker that's watched it and who
swears by the Alien franchise, and he's like, I watched
the first episode. I'm like, I don't think. I'm like,
that was a fantastic episode. I just hope the second
one doesn't let me down. He's like, it was even
better than the first.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yes, So my goal, so my eventual plan is just
to watch them all in chronologic order, just to kind
of binge it now. So with this one though, this
one is also the first time that we are also
getting a anthology yes in the series as well, And
I'm kind of curious how you guys feel like the

(22:53):
anthologies and kind of the different time periods and how
they lent to the the predator mythology.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I actually that's one of my favorite parts of this series.
I'm sorry you can hear my dogs in the background
they're starting to play, but it's I love how it's
like relating to how we've seen the Earth over time,
where it's like, you know, the Vikings were calling the
Aucha Grendel. You know that makes me think during like praying,

(23:21):
was were they calling that? Like after that incident a
when to Go?

Speaker 8 (23:25):
You know?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Was this just a yokai for the feudal Japan? Like
you know, all the UFO events of World War two.
It's like they're kind of integrating of like everything that
we've built, Like mythologies are like cryptis stuff are like
literally just us being hunted.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, forgot what?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah? I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
The only thing I worry about with the animation is
if they keep going to doing those type of shots
to where they're breaking it down to the different centuries
and all, and it becomes predictable, if it's like cookie
cut and paste constantly.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Right, Not because I loved it.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
I love the way it is, but you know.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
How movies get or even animations after a certain amount
of time you're like, I've seen this, all right, let's
try something else, and I just want to see where
they're gonna go with it from there.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah go ahead. Sorry, No, I was.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Gonna say, and I agree with that, because I think
one of the best things they did about this movie
is they took what everyone wanted when they were writing out,
like the feudal Japan scene, because everyone wanted that as
their own standalone movie, and I thought that would have
been played out the short, you know, anthology segment of
a feudal Japan with the Predator that was perfect.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say, like, I
really I love the anthology feel to it. I think
I think the majority of these stories work. I feel
like I'm just gonna say it, the World War two
one just didn't work for me. It felt like it
went on a bit too long, and it was just
it felt too cliche with this like Underdog story, where

(24:54):
the first two films, even from a mental health perspective,
had these such emotional weights that you felt to where
you felt Ursa's pain as she's been carrying it these
like you know, fucking forty years about wanting to you know,
avenge her father's death. And then even the Samurai one

(25:17):
about like, you know, having to overcome the disappointment of
his father, and if you understand what disappointment means a
Japanese culture like that, that one hits even harder. Whereas
I kind of felt like when it got to the
World War two one, it was like, we're going to
tell you an underdog story. Now, I love an underdog
story this place.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
I feel like that was necessary too, because when Ursa
looks to Torres as her son, as the young kid,
and there at the very end of that too, and
she doesn't want to lose that you know, young kid
again that she lost the first time andered, But I
think I feel like that weighed on her a lot
during that fight.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, I feel like he just an exposition tool. They
just you know, it was cool to see a predator
dog fight.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Modern like World War two, because it's like, what were
you gonna see just like the predators watching everybody with guns,
and you know now that all of a sudden they
have like more badass guns. I mean, I guess if
you're looking for the ultimate predator out of any war scenario,
I guess a dog fight would be it, but you
know they've also got like tanks and shit.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know, they could have turned into anything.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
The only one, and it's the one that I've always said.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
There was like someone made a mock poster after Prey
and it's I was hoping to see it in this movie,
but it was called Predator No Man's Land, and it
was World War One, where like they put the concept
where a predators just hunting whichever army is doing their
charge in no man's land towards whatever side. They could
have done something so much cooler with a story of
bravery and overcoming out of something like that, because in

(26:52):
World War One, similar to World War Two, especially, like
you take like All Quiet on the Western Front, you know, as.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
A movie like that, they were kids.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
If you want to talk about like you know, literally
like dramatic struggles and stuff like that, Like that would
have been such an easy perspective to write on.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think for me, like I and maybe maybe I'm
just in the minority here, I feel like for me,
the aspect of setting stories in World War Two kind
of seems really overplayed a little bit to where like
they're not there. I feel like there aren't enough necessarily
stories that are set in World War One, like that
feels like really really compelling to me, especially because it

(27:32):
was like it was the first one. But also you
do have a lot of kids that like don't quite
know what they're doing. So also you can lens really
well to that underdog story. Like you know, we see
pulling into comic books again, you know, you see it.
Look it translated really well into Wonder Woman, translate it
into First Avenger Captain America really well. Like this story

(27:53):
like could lean into it really well. But another thing
I think the anthology series does really well is that
every era had a different pray like or had a
different reder aspect that you saw as well, and then
you kind of erupt it essentially into the battle world
we get at the end.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
And I like that they were almost like adapted towards
that era of what was the stronger one. You know,
you had you know, this giant, hulking monster for the
Viking one because literally, you know, genetically they were bigger people.
You know, they were just like whether it was like
not even taller or anything, but they were just bigger
dude when they were fighting.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
For the Funeral era, it was a more Slender Hunter,
you know, it was one that was more like based
in the Shadows, that would just go more on mobility
rather than just wrecking shop.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Ye and then World War Two he had an eye patch.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
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Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, I love that they left it with the cryo
chambers like at the end, even though they gave us
the main characters we already know, that leaves it wide
open to where they can pretty much do anything they
want and they can use I'm assuming they were doing
memories instead of showing us like when it was happening.
Part of me is thinking that it was kind of
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can do that with other people later on and still
use that for us to see more stories.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
What era was the first predators in? Aren't they Marines
or something like that? Yeah? Yeah, the Black Ops deal, right.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I am kind of curious to see where they go
after this and see kind of how they tie in
because I think the I think we're a little bit
too too young in the the infancy of the DCU
to kind of say that it's it's leading the charge
right now. But like Marvel is like, we're sticking to
movies and we'll give you guys the occasional TV show.

(30:58):
We may mix an anime we may not. And DC
kind of came out swinging with Creature Commandos last year
and was like, fuck you guys, We're gonna do uh animation, film,
uh television, big screen, animated video games. They're all gonna
be connected in their own like little way. We're also
gonna go to other countries and have stories set there,

(31:19):
and it's gonna be connected to this person. And yeah,
and I think I think that's kind of the what
I hope they do with this is that they kind
of you have that back and forth to where it
is a blend between this this animation and bad Lands

(31:40):
and eventually like in an a proper a VP crossover
and kind of ultimately seeing like where these characters go now. Obviously,
for like some of the older characters like Arnold and Danny,
like and I'd probably even say Adrian, Adrian Brody, I
feel like you you have to kind of keep those

(32:03):
those in animation forms. So I'm kind of curious to see,
like what they also end up deciding to do with
this this kind of ultimate cliffhanger.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I actually read that Arnold did give his blessing for
them to carry on Dutch, whether it's with or without him,
whether it's a motion capture or like just animation, or
even they get somebody new for live action. He's even
like he's like, I know, like I have no stake
to this role, but like you have my personal blessing
for my character to live on, you know elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
He's got such an iconic voice too, that you could
literally have someone like uh, Troy Baker or someone that's
like really good at impression. It's just kind of come
in and do an Arnold Schwarzenegger, stick with it, and
even even have a comedian and just play it straight
like you could do it.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'd be fine with that, I will, speaking like.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
That's one thing I actually appreciated out of this anthology series,
and I think brought down the World War Two one
much more than the others, was they did more storytelling
through less dialogue, especially in the feudal episode. Yeah, the
you know, of course it was necessary, but them speaking
Norse in the Viking one added a lot more to

(33:14):
the world building and everything as well. And then the
line delivery and the World War two one just felt clunky.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's what That's what I'm saying, Like it just it
felt so out of place, like it just kind of
felt like they dropped.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
To dig yourself out of this.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Cool thanks Dad, Like there's so much about the to
the feudal Japan. I think is my favorite section in
this I don't know about you guys, Like it's great animated,
so well like and it proves that if you have
you can tell compelling stories without an over use of
exposition or uh needing. It's everything. Like I think that

(33:53):
cold open scene between the brothers and ultimately kind of
like where it builds twenty years later, like that works
so well. It's not only the best storytelling, I think
it's also the I think it hits the hardest in
terms of its emotional state as well.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
That's the best wrap up where he says, uh leaves
on a tree, grows side by side, but they all
fall alone. Yeah, that's all that needed to be said.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
At the end of that. It was just like a
nice rapp.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Where it's like, yeah, well it's like you're not alone, brother,
and like that's the last modes. And honestly, that had
one of the best lines. I think my dog is
trying to enter it, but you know, it's like one
of the best things in place of one liners was
the physically humor from that of him, you know, when
he's trying to stop the guards from ringing the bell,

(34:43):
and it's like this beautifully choreographed fight scene that just
falls into the line of like the physical aspect of
a you know, a verbal one liner, you know where
it's just like that physical comedy where it's like you
see someone else ringing the bell and he just sighs
and drops the other body on the other you know
where it's like that was done so well, where it's

(35:05):
like you didn't need the dialogue.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, And I think it's I think it's another thing
that makes this movie so refreshing is that I feel
like we've kind of grown so dependent on those exposition
moments in film or everything's got to explain, or everything
needs to have comedy in it, you know, you can't
just kind of let this just exist in the silence.

(35:29):
And that's part of the reason that I think this movie,
that particular segment in the movie does so well, is
because the I think the action and the things that
are happening on screen really do speak way more volumes
than the way more volumes. But like I feel like

(35:49):
for ursa story, like you needed that dialogue, you needed that,
And I think one of those things too that I
feel like it's just done so well in these first
two stories is that they're already telling a pre existing
story and that that existing story gets to wrap up
before the Predator opens. Like you know, he bore rather
laving phrase that makes his grand entrance because he's kind

(36:12):
of seen like seed planting throughout the course of those segments.
But when that character has their big moment, that story
wraps up, then you have the Predator. And it felt
it didn't feel like that way for uh Taurus. It
kind of felt like he again wanted to be the
underdog yep, and then you know, shit went sideways and

(36:35):
he was like, oh, I'm the last guy here, gotta
go for it.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
A calling back to like the Skywalker syndrome.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
It felt like anakin from episode one, Like that's what
it felt, Yeah, you know, but you know it's and
I hate that because like that's of course, like we
can understand like the language and everything, Like you would
think that would that that's where they would try to
make the biggest connection point. And that was like the

(37:03):
roughest act of the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Now, I will say I did like.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
The when they started actually like not even working with
each other, but just interacting with each other. You know,
of course they had to do the whole thing of oh,
you know that touris is in World War two. They
had to do some Japanese classes and basic training stuff
like that. I like the actual like callbacks, do something
realistic with that. Yeah, And I like the way that

(37:29):
they directed it in the beginning or wrote it in
the beginning that like it's almost like the the I'm
just gonna call him the samurai and it was technically
a ninja in the Funeral Japan one, but it almost
looked like he was understanding Ursa for like the first
half of their interactions with his replies and everything. I
kind of like how they directed it into turning into Okay,

(37:50):
nobody knows what the other ones are saying, but they're
just figuring it out now from like the physical cues.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
Yeah, there's one common enemy and that these dudes that
have been attack and that's these things.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, And that's always the best stories whenever the language
is different, but they can still read each other of
body or anything else.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
That makes it even better.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like you said, the first two acts, I didn't even
have to have anything on any words.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
Just watching it, I can understand what was going on.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
So I keep calling back to a lot of like
other comic properties, and this is not a this is
not a usual thing for me on this podcast. But
one of the things that this movie kind of reminds
me of is, are you guys familiar with the animated
movie Batman Gotham Knight.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I'm familiar with the that's the is that the older one, No,
that's the Dark Knight returns with Bruce being older one.
Which one is Gotham Knight.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
So Gosam Knight is a movie that was at one
of the very early direct video ones that Warner Brothers did,
And basically what they did is they wanted to tell
story that took place between Batman beginnings in the Dark Night,
so you've got to kind of make that transition feel
a little bit more footfull. And what they did actually

(39:10):
was they went and commissioned other countries and basically just said,
this is your prompt, create a segment for this, and
then they did a wrap around thing That's kind of
what I would have wanted to see here is like
I know that the common theme aside from Prey is
that like majority of these take place with American folk,

(39:34):
Like that's kind of the stick right, like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Danny Glover, Adrian Brody, like that original trilogy, mostly all
looking you know, mostly American people, Like I would have
liked to see this one done. That third segment kind

(39:55):
of follows suit with the first one, first two, where
we would have seen somewhere else, you know, whether that
would have been you know, Australia or.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
Rash Put or something like that.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
Yeah, I want to expand on your somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Why does it have to be Earth? It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
I mean I think I meant have to be Earth
because they're showing they're trying to give more insight onto
like predators of like how and why they collected us, yesifically.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
And then of course if they make a sequel to this,
it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (40:30):
Have to be Earth exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
If they take it outside of Earth, it would expand
it so much to where this guy is a limit
of what they could do with the animation, Whereas if
they keep focusing on Earth, there's only so much stories
you're gonna be able to tell. Yeah, that's probably that's
my hotake, Josh.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You may not agree.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
That we seem to be the ones that kill them
the most.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, time, I honestly, now that they're under the same
exact umbrella, if I have any hopes for a wild
crossover completely left field for the Predator, I'm gonna go
X Files because I feel like both of them could

(41:17):
lend really well to this world. And I think you
could do a good, maybe not full animated movie, but
maybe like a forty minute special that you drop, you know,
when X Files turns like thirty or something like that.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
I got.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
I got two other ones you could do.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
One of them is less topical, ones more topical now,
so I'll start with topical Stargate.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh shit, yes, please please.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
One Starship Troopers, Oh yes, yes, but I feel like
the Stargate one could be cool of just like, you know,
we figure out their homeworld essentially by accident, and we
could take fight to them for once, or you know,
something along those lines, or even like a bad Lads

(42:06):
that we could find, like essentially an ousted tribe, you know,
and kind of recruit them. Because I know in the
comic book series following Alien Versus Predator, the main character
from that actually does become an honorary yaucha, and you
see her in comics like in armor, like fighting alongside
some of the crew that like were there when they

(42:27):
collected the body of the Predator, which of course got
all wreck conned and AVPr because everyone.

Speaker 10 (42:32):
Died on that ship.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
But you know, she became a predator, you know essentially,
So it's like, you know, how can we lead into that,
Like where can we find some of the human survivors
that got out of the cryo chambers and joined their ranks?

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Officially?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
There have been so many what ifs in the comics
that I would love to see in the big strange So,
like for the twenty fifth anniversary, they did a one
shot comic of Halloween where Lorie actually becomes Michael Myers.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
I remember that because I had the I actually had
the Dark Horse comic run of thirty years later. It
follows after what Happened after Everything Wow, And I actually
I had a copy of that.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
I have no idea where that is, but I had
that copy.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, where she essentially does the flashpoint paradox of you know,
Batman's life, you know, and his dad becomes Batman.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
But yeah, no, like something along those lines would be
so cool just to see.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
And now with animated film, it's like it's you know,
there is no real limit to what they can't do
other than budget, of course.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
But so this one is kind of interesting. Kind of
going back to the structure of this movie. It's really
interesting because typically anthology is when they presented you're gonna
have a wrap around story, and I feel like this
one is really unique because it starts out with the

(44:08):
with the vikings and the shield segment as they called it.
Then we kind of get to see this ship, and
then you get to see the perspective, and then it
kind of builds two torres and then you know, eventually
it gives birth to this big battle world scenario scenario.

(44:29):
And I'm kind of curious how you guys kind of
felt about that. Do you guys feel like it hit
that climactic thing that you felt like the story was
building too or kind of fell a little bit short?
And if so, like, what would you how would you
have improved it?

Speaker 7 (44:46):
I mean, I do, I do believe it's I don't
want to say wrap up because of it. It's not
really a wrap up. It's more of like a maybe
this is what everybody wanted to see happen, because I
know that the original alien or Predators were probably just
like one offs. I don't know if they intended to
go any further than that, but I think bringing back
all these characters in like a kind of universe way

(45:06):
or this, I don't know what you would call it,
the universe, the Predator universe.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I think I liked it.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
I like how they're bringing back I don't know if
I'm not. I haven't seen a lot of the movies.
I don't know what they're gonna do with the Pirate gun.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I know you see that as a yeah, that is
not even from my century.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
I haven't shown that, right, Like, I don't think they've
shown the person who has that or where they got
the original Pirate They've never So that's a place that
you could go into, and maybe that'll be the beginning
of another movie or another animated thing coming up.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Jack Sparrow versus the Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
And then then when you got Disney in the mix
noun and that's when.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It maybe technically Disney has Hulu, so oh that's right, Yeah,
that would not be a stretch.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Then we get Stormtroopers in the mix, and then we
get it all sorts of things.

Speaker 16 (45:52):
No, no, yeah, I could just see like the Predators
hunting somebody, and then it pans up further in the
tree and you hear that done gone, but you see
him stumbling around a tree branch.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Jack Sparrow versus the predators. That's what brings Johnny Depp back.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
That's almost like at that point, it's just like, throw
fucking Kevin from Home.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
Alone in there. Just put him against the predator.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, I'd be down for that.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
How much time does he have to set up? That's
all that.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I think.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
I think the anthology, I think the payoff worked better
in my opinion because of how lacklustered the bull was overall.
I think that's what made it more impactful. If the
Bullet was a better segment, I think it would have
fallen a little more flat for me. But it just
recovered from such a low point for me at least,

(46:43):
back to a better baseline where it feels like it
did climax better.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yep. Yeah, that's something that I can fully agree with
because I feel like you're you're going like this trajectory
for like the first two thirds of that movie, and
then you get to the Bullet and it just kind
of comes down a little bit, and like that that
Battle World segment really does go up. I really wish
we would have been able to spend a little bit
more time on that battle world, or that it would

(47:11):
have continued the bloodshed that we saw within those first
few segments, because it's largely it's largely pretty bloodless, and
it kind of feels a little bit out of tone
for the rest.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Of the Lapsticky, Like, oh man, I laughed pretty hard
when the fucking alien bulldozer came out the body arena. Yes,
that is that beast? Is that the first time they
introduced like another on this So there were like dog
like things in the Predator and Predators. Yeah, like those

(47:44):
were like earth sized dog beasts. Them was like the
first huge thing which like again like we're like the
main chieftain was on there was that giant skull, Like,
tell me more about that thing?

Speaker 1 (47:55):
What the hell was that?

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Like I played Subnautica.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
That's like their version of like the gargantuan Leviathan, Like,
tell me more about that.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
That thing is huge.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I agree, I want more answers, yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Which I mean, of course, with a good movie, like
trying to give as little exposition as possible, that is
what you want. But now it's like, Okay, just don't
blueball me for two three years. Like even if you
just like release a comic book about like the war,
like the ancient well, don't even tie it into the story.
Just let me know, like where did that one alien
like beast come from? What's the giant thing? What's the significance?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I'd be okay if they made a series out of
it instead of like a movie, bring out little sections
and then it I'll tie in together like that where
you're getting a little bit at a time instead of
like you just said, I don't want like two or
three years down the line of oh here we've got
another one for you, give me the little sections.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
If that's what it takes.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
It's kind of like what a lot of people, I
say a lot of people. It was mostly me of
like what people wanted to because like tight into another
horror recent thing like I'm a Rider Died, God's Elephant
like through It's like that's what we wanted in the
monster verse or like for Kydu of like Skull Island,
It's like we wanted a series we wanted to see,
like whether it was Pong Skull Island version, like we

(49:13):
wanted to see more of that island and the creatures
on it, or even the person the Peter Jackson two
thousand and three one. It's like, I want more time
on the island with the giant bugs and stuff, like
let's find out more about this, Like cool, have your
whole monkey movie, but like let's stay here for a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah, where did they come from?

Speaker 7 (49:29):
And all that I've got bad Lands, I mean it
takes place on battle World, right, so I mean maybe
there's like a thing that he's got to prove to himself.
Maybe he's got to take down that beast or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I think I don't know enough information about bad Lands.
I tried to go into movies as blind as possible,
Like I know, like the synopsis and like that, uh,
the l Fanning is the whalant know, like that's about
like the extent of what I know. And that these
posters look cool as fun, because we had one at

(50:02):
the Film Vessel this past weekend and they.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
The big thing to bring out of it is they're
they're officially announcing with that that alien and Predator are
taking place in the same universe. You know now that
there's a whale in you Tawni Android, it is now
one connected universe. Whether a VP is cannon or not
in a sense, you know, that's that's going to be
up for future debate, debate, but that does mean it's

(50:26):
going to be a hell of a lot easier to
get a more natural feeling alien crossover.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And like with this ending, I'm almost kind of curious
if they are kind of taking that uh gun approach
to the storytelling. You know, where the DCU is going
to have elements of the DCEU that are going to
be cannon. The rest are going to be distant memories
or whatever they want to call it, Whereas like they're

(50:51):
kind of cherry picking what they're actually going to pick
because we do see we do see Dutch at the
end of this long we do see uh Neira uh
from Prey, and like you don't really see quite a
whole lot yet, So I'm almost kind of like saying, like, oh,
maybe maybe we'll see people from you know, the Predator, Predators,

(51:16):
Predator too, Like maybe, but like when people think of that,
these these franchises, up until Dan Tracktenberg, the person you
thought about the most was always going to be Dutch,
Like a hundred.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
It was, and then and then depending on when you
saw the movies, it was you know, Danny Glover, you know,
you always saw him, you know as well, just because
that movie itself comparatively is an underdog story where it's like,
well we had a you know, jacked royded out of
his mind commando going up against him in the first
one Black City Cop.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Good Luck, buddy.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
That's sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I am glad though with all the shoehorning and everything
that they're doing that they're not doing it distastefully, you know,
like where they're they're you know, the whalen Utania exists
in Predator bad Lands. They're bringing back the old characters back.
At least they're not doing something like, oh is that
Ellen Ripley and a cryo chamber over there? You know,
are they keeping her? Or every crowd chamber has whalen
Zanni printed on it or something.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
Well, don't rule it out because they haven't shown everything yet.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
I was half tempting that when you saw the first
like creature in the fry croyopod that wasn't human, I'm like,
are we going to see us, you know, morph? Or
like what would be a crazier callback is if you
saw David from Alien Covenant in one of the two
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yes, there's so many there are so many things that
I think happened before the Fox Disney.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
To us.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
You know, Yeah, that they're they're trying to just be like,
we just want you guys to forget about it. You know,
they maybe we bring back. But as we learned on
on our Alien Covenant episode last year, it is the
uh most it's the most homosexual one.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
As Leo put it, there, there are some moments David
gets pretty weird with Now is that gay or is
it masturbation?

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Uh well, we actually had a when we did that episode,
we actually had a friend of ours that is actually homosexual,
and he like gave it, gave us his like worldview
on it, and he's like wrote basically like there's like
a lecture like ten minute portion of that episode where
he's like, this is why this movie is one of
the gayest movies ever made. I'm gonna tell you. And

(53:43):
I've never looked at the that movie since.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Alien Covenant right here Broke Back Mountain, somewhere in between
the Alien Covenant right there there with the.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
I've never thought that, like watching the movie but I
think back on a lot of it. Yeah, it's yeah,
they took a direction, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go check on that episode.

Speaker 10 (54:10):
It was.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It was a fun one we did last year. You know,
I brought this up a little bit earlier, but I
think the first two stories really deal pretty heavily and
really good with part of the reasons I think they
hit as hard as because they do have this mental
health back to them, and specifically when you look at
Ursa's you know, she's got this essentially like this like

(54:35):
singular path that she's carved out for herself and the
terms of you know, avenging our father, and then you
also feel like you have kind of that same story
with the Samurai Brothers and the second one, and it
really just kind of I think Lynz really well just
to the importance of working out your mental health and

(54:59):
working out your feeling and the dangers of letting something
bottle up and consume you because ultimately it's going to
have this impact and it's ultimately going to fuck up
your relationships and ultimately do a lot of damage to
who who you are as a person.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yeah, Ursa really showed like revenge and pride, how it
eats away at your humanity over time and just kind
of makes you this singular minded being, where in the
second story was very much about like I'm not here
to kill you or you know, avenge you or anything.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
I'm just here to clear my name and fix our story.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Well, it's like, you know, it's they don't even get
closure truly in the way that they want to. And
I think that's a very realistically humanizing, you know, standpoint
about it is there is no you know, Disney movie
ending to your stories of whatever you're struggling with or anything.
There's going to be realistic endings that it's not the
storybook one that's.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
Up in your head.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
And also Ursa, it's a key point in Lord that
like they have to die in battle and the whole
thing with the proble, like yes, battle, so that she
even mentions them like I have to die in battle.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
There's no other way I can die right here, So.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
That on top of her losing her son not technically
in battle, because I think he didn't really you didn't
really see much of him fighting, yeah all, yes, yeah,
So that probably ships away at her because it's just
like that's not how a Viking's supposed to go out,
and I know that was a big part of Viking
life because if you don't die in battle, you don't
go to Valhalla and you don't see the ones that

(56:31):
you love. So not being able to see that is
probably heartbreaking for her, just other than not being able
to see them there in the moment, But she seeks
I guess she kind of sees that in Torres because
it's just a kid, and you know, he's trying to
do everything to survive. None of them can understand each other,
which is another thing too, but it's just like they
have that one goal of just killing the thing that
killed what we love, the people that we love.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
So I know that that I know that that's one.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
And she's not dead either, so she's probably either wanting
to be dead so that she can see and there's
and her father, or she's going to kill everybody to
avenge them and you.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
Said carved out for herself.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
There's a different way to look at it for both
of them is did she really pick it or when
he said avenge me, she took that on as something
that her dad wants and that was bestowed to her
that she had to do it.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Yeah, I if you know, my dad was dying and
put his blood on my face, I probably would just
kind of black out, but I would only probably remember
that moment.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
So yeah, probably it's more like a single programming of.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
My dad wants me to do it, so I'm going
to do this, And it's probably because it's the only
traumatic memory I have that's playing over in my head.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Well, Like also to go back to something that Jacob said, like, uh,
you know that was like a common practice for them.
It was a common belief. And if you grow up
in that arena and grow up in that environment, like
that's normal. Like that's completely something something that we would
be as like harmful to your mental health, that's completely normal.
And I think also when you take into account that,

(58:06):
like we've seen an evolution in mental health, mental health practices,
mental health techniques, mental health uh you know, how to
essentially like create something or cure something before it's even
kind of taken form or And we've also studied it
for for you know, a number of years, and so

(58:29):
for us, like kind of looking at it with twenty
twenty five lens is obviously going to be way different,
you know, kind of hearing you speak on the Viking
belief like kind of puts that into like, you know,
a completely different perspective for me.

Speaker 10 (58:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I mean, Josh, we've had the conversations offline of normal
and differences generations, things like that, and even just the centuries,
you could see the differences of how people acted, people
were treated, people expectation. Just like the father wasn't in
the bullet was it the bullet one that was the

(59:05):
World War Yeah, bullet Yeah, that one. He wasn't really
as forthcoming of Hey, you've got to avenge me or
you two got to duel it out and we're going
to figure out who's the best. He was this is
this is what you got to do to figure yourself out.
You can see the different way that the parents treated
their kids in the different centuries. It's the same way

(59:26):
now with the different generations. Each generation we have, it's
not even that far apart from eighties to the nineties,
the nineties to the two thousands.

Speaker 8 (59:35):
Everybody learns each decade.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
So and he was just wanted to make his dad
proud with like, you know, he just wants me to
be able to fight for myself, stand up for myself.
He was even still struggling with that after he beat
the predator, because you see him get that flint lock
pistol on. His first things are this isn't even from
my century, you know, where the other two just took
their weapons and started.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
Going at it. Yeah, so it's like he still had to,
you know, grow up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
And that's what his dad was trying to get to
him in that first scene of like, you know, I'm
not gonna bail you out of this one.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
It's you know, he's got to figure out how to
bail himself out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, And I know we've said it, I think a
little bit earlier with the Japanese belief and all is
the shame and everything that you know, that's why the
one brother.

Speaker 8 (01:00:21):
Left because he lost.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So it's a shame on the family and all versus
the one that one stood.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
There and was praised so not to take his father's place.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Yeah, And it's it's did he lead And it's it's
funny because they think he left out of the shame
of losing, but it's because it's the shame of like
him not wanting to fight his own brother, right, Yeah,
you know, so it's like and that kind of goes
with like you know, family trauma or just even trauma
in general, where it's like there's two different stories of
what actually happened, and they're.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
Both very real to each party. You know, there's truth
in both sides of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
And I may have read into it a little bit more,
but I took it that they were like twins, which
made it even worse because I could see that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
I thought there were twins that are older, younger, but
not by much. Yeah, I'm saying, you know, they were
probably trained somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Somewhere between like twins or Irish twins, where it's like
anywhere between like born minutes apart or like eleven months.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
Apart, which would make it worse whenever they had to
fight each other.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah, but that scar on his cheek, yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
As you saw in the main fight, like that's all
he wanted to give his brother is like I could
have beaten you that day, but I didn't want to know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
I was always better and I want you to keep
this mark to remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
And he was probably just gonna leave after that, and
you know if there wasn't for the rest of the fight,
and then the the oucher showing up and everything.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
And maybe they saw a little bit of their dad
in this predator that came out, you know what I mean,
like maybe all they want.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
To and I think that's what they hinted at, that
one string at the mural and the hand comes out
your mouth and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Which I love that animation how they did that. That
was one of my favorite parts in the animation was
that scene.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Well not only that, but for me, it was just
in my head watching that predator use the chain whip
and everything the entire time. I just had doing Scorpion
in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Yes over here, Yeah, yeah, I want to going back
to something a little bit kind of expanding on what
you were saying, calin like part of it. I also
feel like is you know, sometimes the thing about generations
is that it takes one it takes one person first
to kind of recognize that this is probably not a

(01:02:41):
healthy practice and step out and actually make distress, to
actually make those differences and make those changes. And that
comes at such a great cost, especially, you know, especially
when we see it in these first two stories, because
so much of their culture is so ingrained in these

(01:03:03):
beliefs that you know, you die on the battlefield in
Vikings and then also like you know, you bring shame
to your family, like Billy was saying, when you lose
a battle, and or if you know, you have a
certain path that's meant out for you and you don't
necessarily match that path, or you don't necessarily want to
pursue that path, and you brought it into shame not
only on yourself but also to your family as well.

(01:03:23):
And so there are all of these other complicated factors
that factor into it that yeah, I've just read about
or you know, seen in stories. I can't really quite
speak to some of the some of the cultural impacts
that they have on mental health, but you know, that
feeling of shame and dread, like, I think that's relatable

(01:03:44):
for anyone, regardless of your life choices.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Yep, yeah, I agree in going with like Japan, you know,
of course, like that was like the family is always
a big thing over there, and how hard you work
and how hard you prove yourself. I mean, people literally
work themselves to death them there, even with you know,
jobs that don't even put your life at risk, office
jobs and stuff like that. You know, you know, they
have a high, you know, literally death rate from stress

(01:04:09):
or like you know, stress related, you know, internal things,
whether it's you know, heart issues, internal organ issues, just
by you know, compounding stress and everything just because you
always have You're always trying to be better than the
previous generation or make them proud, and you know they're
really you know, it's not just like where we're coming, you.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Know, out to be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
It's like, I just want to be a good person.
That's That's how I'm going to do my story. Make
people proud here where it's there. It's like you have
to prove your worth, you know, in your work life materialistically,
to you know, honor your family.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
Which is why I feel like in the World War
two portion of it, you know, the dying on the
battlefield is one thing, bringing shame or whatever. But everybody
who went to war, I think on their mind was
just like I have to come back home. You know,
there's no other I need to fight for my country.
But at the same time, like I'm not dying here
and then you get home, you know, are you It's

(01:05:04):
probably not on their mind, but like are you seen
as a hero by your family?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Are you seen?

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
It's like, you know what I'm saying, Like a lot
of people probably are put on a higher pedestal that way.
But then sometimes that takes a toll because of course
you're seeing some stuff that no human beings should be seeing.
And but the gore and everything that you see in
war what's common in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
The Viking age.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
So if you like, the more blood that was shed,
the more honor you probably brought, or something like that,
the more dead that you brought, you know, And it's
no that definitely takes a toll nowadays.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
And when you're talking about the mental death or like
the mental toll, and why I was hoping they would
do more wil War One than World War Two, but
it was still very similar is war back then for
both sides was very different than it is now. And
the fact of like people will do you know, six month,
twelve month, eighteen month tours and stuff like that, and
then they'll come back home at least stateside for a

(01:05:52):
little bit before going back to active duty. Back from
World War One and World War Two, you just went
and you didn't come back until the job was done.
Like you didn't go home unless you were like shot
or like under extremely rare circumstances, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
And Vietnam, he didn't even have the choice you know,
they just picked people to go, you know that badly,
so go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
So like Torres's story happens, and you see him back
with the metal and everything, and of course they don't
put the year underneath. But like that wouldn't have been
enough to send him home. He would have just been
on a carrier for another three years throughout the war.
So it's like, what else did he see? What else
happened to that kid? You know that, you know, racking
his brain that he's still trying to prove to his

(01:06:33):
father that he's you know, you know, grown up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, all great questions and hopefully get expanded upon in
future installments, as we have been hoping and praying for
this entire podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Let's have The Predator. Uh, look at Da Vinci in
the Renaissance.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
That's what we should see next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
See what they do?

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Please do? Yeah? Do an Assassin's creed Predator time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I'd be here for that though, yeah, yeah, every everything.
I mean, honestly, the Predator is like one of those
like franchises you could put anywhere, Yeah, and it would
be dope wild West.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
I feel like that would be well I kind of
already did, I guess and prays weeks or something that's
absolutely the one that needs to be done. Waiting on
the Pirates, Alien Covenant gay movie. Just do Breeks of
the Bartons make the Predator game movie?

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
You know, all right, well I think that's gonna do
it for us on this episode of a Biscaysing. But
Colin Jacob, thank you guys so much. Where can people
find Loukias online and stream the music?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
You can find us on Facebook and Instagram. We try
to be active, but we suck at that, so we
apologize and you can find us Apple Music, Spotify.

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
I won't warn you on Apple Music.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
There is a I believe it's a Spanish band that
has a similar name, but an accidente over the a.
Their music is on our page does not sound like us.
It's not us, so we'll warn you there. But we're
on Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube music, anywhere you can stream music.
You can find our first album and our first.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
EP, and you guys can also catch them September twentieth
with us at Black Iris, along with Leilah Moon's one
guest who be announced and CJ the Prophet. It's gonna
be a good time. It's gonna be a party, So
come on down. Really, where can we find you guys
on life?

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
Well, like, well, Instagram find me greatest guy ever? And
then I'm just on Facebook. I don't do anything else, scrolling,
just constantly scrolling.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I feel that I vibe with that. I like this
stuff you share though.

Speaker 7 (01:08:46):
Yeah it's mostly just like pop on share ten to
fifteen things a bullshit and then get back off.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
That's a good practice to have, though.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
We're not gonna lie on the Facebook page.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
When he first joined the band, I'm like, maybe I'm
not gonna give him posting rights.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
All right, Billy, where can people find you?

Speaker 8 (01:09:05):
I'll start us off. I'm on letterbox at VA.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
You guys can find me. I'm also in letterbox at
Captain Nostalgia And we will be concluding anime August next
week with Brandon's Pick. He'll be back. I will be
out on tour with arteries like Estuaries.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
Well maybe you guys this week with Stormchaser once again
by our friends in Loquius. And until next time. Remember,
the longer you gaze into the abyss, the more the
abyss gazes backing to you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Such a fun my way.

Speaker 12 (01:10:03):
Look again.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Away from myself.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Re started when when.

Speaker 13 (01:10:29):
Times a sty make me stop. Cloud's going to change.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I can crash your bob.

Speaker 13 (01:11:03):
A look we you're know to the bow.

Speaker 10 (01:11:09):
I way you sing to me.

Speaker 11 (01:11:14):
But now.

Speaker 10 (01:11:17):
That naught.

Speaker 13 (01:11:31):
Talking about the sad taking SAT don't the chests to
put up

Speaker 10 (01:13:11):
Waity