Underworld: Blood Wars (2016) | Episode #149 - Abyss Gazing: A Horror Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
And you are listening to a Biscuys, a horror podcast
where we celebrate all things spooky and mental health. And
before we even get into it, happy late Mother's Day
to all of the mothers like Zambies and the MILFs
like Selene.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Wait wait, I'm not a milk. That's mother's name, Josh,
I'm never coming back.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm your co host, Mark.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm the one that knows better than to say what
Josh said. Billy.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's because you say it behind closed doors. And then Mark,
we'll see you to tell what you said in front
of the guests on the next episode. I'm the other
co host, Josh and Uh. We are ending our Underworld
series tonight and this is Underworld Blood Wars, and we
are joined by the Zambies. Once again, it's a me

(01:07):
mees bees. We're not doing that, okay, I think for
every one of us except for Zambies. This was the
first time watch am I correct in saying.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
That, yes, I think so if I watched it, I
don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I watched this Wednesday and I don't remember it and
it's only Sunday. Luckily I took notes.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well. I made a comment to Josh because I went
and watched Sinners. I was like, this movie was so forgettable. Bad,
rewatch it this morning. Just remember what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I watched it yesterday and looked over at my wife
and was like, why does this feel like Twilight? And
I've never seen Twilight.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know, it's interesting that you bring that up because
there are two. So this movie came out long after,
kind of like after Twilight had had its like glory days,
and there are two, but.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Really really glory days for people.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That grew up on them. Yes, you're just an old
man that yells at the clouds.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm looking forward to yelling at kids to get off
my lawn, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I thought you'd do that already.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Relevant.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
But going back to Twilight, there are two vampires in
here that have like very distinct looks that feel very
akin to them, copying off of some of the Collins
in this movie.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Okay, I wouldn't know. I haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
All right, Zambies, when we come back, we're bringing you
back to Twilight.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Oh god, no please.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I watched.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Because my sister in law was a big fan read
the books and wanted to see the movies.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
So I went to the movies with her. I don't
really want to watch them again.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't I watch them at all. I have been
marked safe from watching Twilight.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
They just get progressively worse, they do.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I have about the last one.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
They're not terrible, coming out of the gates like it's
it's a fun drinking game movie.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
But very problematic, very problematic.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
All my stories unit, I have them right over here
on my my my shelf, so I, out of shamely
own the entire collection. I'm just gonna throw that out there,
all five movies. I'm sorry, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Why do you why do you keep coming back to
visit as sammies? We have to deal with this on
a weekly basis.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Really nice to me. I'm used to you and.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Just's all right, all right, all right, getting into this,
getting into Underworld. The movie that we are all here
talking about today, Zambia is as a franchise veteran, how
do you feel about this movie?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Honestly, very similar to you, guys, because I have seen
this movie before, and I knew I saw this movie already,
but I could, for.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
The life of me remember the movie.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And I watched it today and I was like, how
do I not remember ninety percent of this film.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
There are parts that I really do like, but overall,
I don't know why it was so forgettable. I feel
like I didn't really fall in love with any of
the new characters. The villains were lackluster. There wasn't anyone that,
like I desperately was kind of rooting for, outside of

(05:03):
like Selene, which always kicks ass.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
So you kind of just knew that that was gonna happen.
I don't know, They're just it wasn't bad. It was just.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Flaw and to me, it had a lot of the
divergent feel to it because it had so much divergent
in it. That's why we did.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Not talk about THEO James, I have so much to
unpack because, like Zombie said ass as we finished recording
last week, we didn't talk about David at all, and
I was like, you know what, absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
But he kind of felt like they were trying to
shift the series over to him.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
They they did, and I want to unpack it in
a few minutes. God, this movie was it since since
we're dealing with were wolves and were wolves are in
the dog family, this movie ends on ends the franchise
on such a whimp mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Like it it felt like you were trying to like
be like, Okay, Selene's not coming back, Michael's gone, let's
hand the torch to a younger person, or but they didn't,
like they were like, are we going to focus on her?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Are we focusing on theater? Like where are we going?
But what they knew that they were just saying goodbye
to Selene is what they like.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
To go back to Billy's point, they wrote him. They
wrote David to feel like his divergent character, and so
much of this film just kind of feels like a
misstep in the right in like the wrong direction, like
not as bad as Rise of Lichens, but it feels

(06:44):
like it's like flirting with that that territory of just
god awful.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's I mean, it kind of felt like they were
trying making an attempt to shift the series from Selene
over to him, while having her be a background character
as an elder at that point.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
So let's let's talk about David, because David is.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
To remember his name, he was such a begetable character.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I mean, in in all hindsight, you're not wrong theo
James the actor that plays David is great in The Monkey.
For those of us in this conversation that has seen it,
if you guys haven't, go check it out, it's a
streaming on vod right now. However, I will say that
they definitely I agree with you one hundred percent. It
definitely feels like they were like, we don't know how

(07:40):
to keep continuing this. And obviously you know Kate beck
and Sale is not going to want to do this
the rest of her life, which is kind of erotic
because this movie is almost ten years old, and in
that those last ten years, she has made just a
shit ton of direct to streaming, like not Golf movies

(08:01):
that are very much in this same vein. It's not
like she can't say that she doesn't want to do
it because she is getting old, But I don't.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Did she did Van Helsing in the middle of all this?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
No, Van Helsing was way before this. Van Helsing was.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
In the middle in the middle of Underworld all time.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, franchise, and she she's done some other stuff across
the board, like I remember she did one called The
Disappointment Room, which lived up to its name because it
was fairly disappointing. Yeah, and she's just I don't know,
she never really seemed to put out anything that kind

(08:39):
of came close because everybody went to see it because
it was the early days of Hugh Jackman after being
Wolverine and her after being Selene, but it was kind
of and she just never really seemed to hit that
note again that she did when she came out being
Seleen in the first and second Underworld.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Every few years, Hollywood gives us these actors and actresses
that they try to make happen, that they try to
kind of give this like movie star effect to the
way that you know, Tom Cruise is currently doing or
Glenn Powell, you know, and there are some like truly

(09:19):
dynamic actress actors and actresses out there that completely fly
under the radar literally all the time. But the box
office nowadays is very different. It's not it's ip driven,
it's not necessarily driven with name recognition the way that
it was in the late nineties and the early aughts

(09:40):
when a lot of these movies were starting to come out,
and it definitely feel like Hollywood was positioning Kate Beck
and Sale to kind of be that kick ass leading lady.
And I don't think I don't know if it's just
her range as an actress or the projects that she
gets handed, but she's just kind of been dealt a

(10:03):
shitthand and I think Blood Wars just kind of lends
into that. And you know, when the moment when you
think Selene is dead, it's kind of like you're kind
of like making peace with it, knowing that this is
the last movie. I do have stuff that we'll talk
about later on the podcast that I'll talk about the
future of this franchise and or what they what we

(10:25):
could be the future of it. But definitely, like THEO
James just kind of seems like the natural progression had
this thing decided to go forward because he had already
led a success somewhat successful franchise with Divergent, and had
kind of proven himself capable as a as a UK

(10:48):
actor and kind of had kind of cross pollinated. And
he's also completely opposite than Selene, so typically you know
you have that like, uh yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Did he really prove himself though he's proven himself in
other roles, not here.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I will I will have his back with this. I
feel like he was a good cast. I feel like
he could have done really well with this, but this
movie did not have a good script and it did
not help him whatsoever. I think in the last film
he did great. I think he portrays it. He he
does a great job, but it's a shit script and

(11:29):
even good actors can only do so much with that.
So I don't blame him so much for this film.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, I gotta I gotta agree with her, and
I also will like also say, I think there's there's
cool elements about this movie, like the whole uh like
ghost vampires or vampires that like die kind of go
though and then like they get like super speed from
beyond the grave or I don't know, Like I loved

(11:58):
a lot of the pure vacation kind of sequences in
this I thought they were really cool and interesting type
of things. This one also gave us the return of
the UV bullets, which was nice to see. It didn't
last log but like I think this there's this there's
a lot this movie had good ideas and it just
didn't either expand on those ideas or didn't really do anything.

(12:24):
But it did give us kind of this ghost reborn
version of Selene that was really badass, and the climax.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I loved your hair, yes, but I liked my favorite
part was the like ghost vampire vikings. They were badass,
they were cool looking. It kind of like gave like,
you know which your vibes as well, and I kind
of liked that because to me that felt like they

(12:54):
were you know, in different movies and books and everything,
they always tailor something to vampires that isn't necessary in everything,
but super speed or being quick is something you see
in a lot of vampires that they didn't have in
this before. So they kind of were like, oh, vampires
do have that, but you have to be like one

(13:15):
of these type, you know, you have to die and
come back type, and that's how you get that ability.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
So that was kind of like just met I felt
like in this movie.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well they showed her do that and in the forest
scene in Evolution, and they just kind of forgot it
and the rest of the movies.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, but it's not explore to the depth thing ex
Lord here, Like in Evolution you see that sequence that
it's just kind of like, oh, this is just a thing.
It's not really explained, but like here you kind of
have this like explanation and it's kind of like rooted
in the mythology now. And I really liked that. I
liked that the I don't even remember the name of

(13:57):
those like though that coven, but I liked the way
that it was a coven that felt different than anything
we had seen before, because even in Awakening, that covenant
felt so similar to the coven of Victor and Marcus,
and this one felt very refreshing. Like it's like, okay,

(14:21):
like the one from the last film gets wiped out
fairly easily, then we kind of progressed to this one.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, like the other covens had the sexy vampires doing
nothing all over again, and then this one was like,
we are vampires, but we're pretty fucking cool. We don't
carry like just ourselves in a sexy way. Like I
don't know, it just it felt better like it, Like
you said, it was refreshing to have like a different
vampire culture.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
And I thought it was interesting that the one of
the council members, the one that they said was Victor's
like right hand person for a long time.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
She said, she.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Oh, okay, yeah, that's uh Samira.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yes, I thought it was interesting that they killed her
in the same fashion you thought they killed Victor and
Rise of the Lichens, but it didn't kill Victor, but
it killed her.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah. I mean she was also kind of like you know,
we're talking about forgettable like LANs like she it was
like I'm gonna get the power, like it just there
was so many moments. She's a great example and like
her like little boy toy that she had on the side,
who's like name, I I can't even remember what is it? Vargas. Yeah,

(15:55):
he was like so predictable, Like I felt like all
his elements were like so aggressively predictable.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
That about the story was predictable.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It is.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
The villains were forgettable, and that's why you weren't really broody,
Like it just felt like there was no real sense
of danger. I guess because like even though there was
this this villain wasn't supposed to be the like what
is it market Marcus Marquise whatever. He was supposed to

(16:30):
be the big, bad, liking guy, and he was like
a craven like he just.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Was it.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
No, it's uh.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I don't know if if I'm saying that that name
right was Marquis.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah that's how it's spelled. Yeah, But he was just
like lame. And then she was bitchy, and it was like,
I don't like these villains, Like I don't really like whatever,
and can we talk about him?

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Because the CGI on him was awful, I believe it.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Like the CGI, I don't disagree with him, but I
think the for me, the biggest issue with him was
the fact that you don't really meet him until like
forty five to fifty minutes into the movie, which at
that point is roughly about the halfway point. They spend
this entire time building him up, and he never lives
up to the expectations that the film establishes as a

(17:29):
big bad yep, he.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Kind of even the actor kind of looks like a
great value Michael.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
When they first pan in and you see him from
behind walking to the Lichens. My first instinct when I
saw this, I remember, is that I was like, is
that Michael, Like is he like no? And then he
turns around on like, oh, it's this dude, Like he
doesn't even look that intimidating, And all I can see
from him is the dude from Outlander.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
He is from the Islander, right.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, he plays it, yeah, And so I just see
him as this like just a whiny type of character,
like he's not a bad actor, but he was not
cast it for this properly.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Honestly, I don't know if you can. I don't know necessarily.
I think if the casting is the issue, I think
to it comes down to the actual script.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh all of it was wrong for him, Like it
was just all wrong.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, just I don't think there's very little redeeming qualities
from the script of this movie.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
The scripts.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Christ Yeah, No, there is one the what is it
his girlfriend Alexa's tongue when she looks that blade.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I will say I did like that, like that betrayal
where I was kind of like, man, I was like,
I really wish that that would have been kind of
introduced a little bit earlier, because she's just kind of
like it's it's like Lana or Lena, Like she's just
kind of introduced, like right in the middle of the movie. Yeah,

(19:15):
and you're like, what it was. I'm not saying it wasn't,
but again it's it's still could have been introduced earlier,
or at least you know, when we get introduced to
like other vampire characters, she could have been introduced. She's
just kind of tossed in there, and like one scene

(19:36):
you're like, Oh, we're just rolling with this, like she's
just established at this point.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
I think, oh, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I was going to say. The one thing I did
like was they addressed the daughter that it's actually her daughter.
It says it at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
She was carrying her.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, when they froze her. I hated the fact and
how they wrote the vampire dude that is forgettable. We've
already said the fact that it just felt like an
afterthought that he hadn't drink the blood to be instead
of actually being bit. And also they tried to carry
the storyline of oh, we need the daughter for the
superpowers and keep juicing for all the vampires. Still, it's

(20:17):
just like the whole story, like y'all were saying, just
felt like an afterthought on some of the things.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I feel like, go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
That kind of goes back to what I said with Evolution.
They set it up to be really cool with potential,
and they just didn't really seem like they knew where
to go with it, right.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I feel like, all right, so, like how many of
you guys know, like the history about a movie like
being John Alkovich, a movie that is written for a
very specific or even a couple of years ago with
Nicholas Cage's The Unbearable Way of Massive Talent, Like, these

(20:55):
are movies that are like very distinctly written with like
certain people in mind, and like Malkovich had never committed
to that movie until like six months of pursuing him,
and Nicholas Cage hadn't like agreed to it. And so
the reason I bring that up is because it feels
like they had originally wrotten the script and said that

(21:19):
they were gonna have the not so lead but Eve,
they were going to have the actress who played Eve
come back, and then when she didn't come back, they
had to kind of pick out parts to kind of
like rewrite it because like the fact that Eve is
not in this movie I feel like really makes it

(21:42):
like hit even further past rock Bottom.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
But she was also a major part of the story.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, which is weird this movie.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Really.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I think the thing is, like some films do really
well with having so many different things going on on plotlists,
like this is happening, this is having This movie falls flat,
and I think suffers for the fact that there are
multiple bad guys with different they're doing different things in
the same realm, but it's not intersecting, like it's just

(22:16):
it's weird and you're having to keep track of this
and then oh there's this and that and but that's weird.
Like yeah, it's just it's too much going on and
nothing seems like a solid thought.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
And yeah, all of a sudden, Oh David's an elder
now and he's the one running the coven.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Oh yeah, and they brought Amelia back.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And it's like, I guess, I mean that makes sense,
but was that really beneficial to the movie.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I don't see. He was a pure blood, which again
I said this, this movie has decent ideas, just does
not know how to execute them. Again, that's something that
could have been you know, given off within the first
act of the movie, and they're like, you know what
would actually build the suspense. We saved it until the

(23:03):
end of the second act. David David comes back night
shining armor.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
But you know what made it even better they got it.
They still managed to get an awkward sex scene in
through flashbacks.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Ye that they brought that back.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean they had they had a sex scene okay
with a big bad lady and her boy toy. Uh,
but you know they did. Why did they need that
through the blood? Why was that needed? We didn't need
that was not important to the storyline at all, but
we hadn't.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm pretty sure most people watching it know how kids
are made at that point.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Let the record show that neither I nor Zombies brought
up the sex scene in this episode. That it was Mark, Yes,
you're welcome. I need to get things to talk about.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
But you want to know the funniest part of the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
And I don't know if you guys notice this, but
I laughed when it's supposed to be this epic moment
of David picking up the sword and he's like, got
it on his back and let's go kill some likings.
And then that other dude cats him like he's a
football just slapping a guy's ass to get out on
the field, and the star player and then he has

(24:26):
this big grin on his face.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
He's all doofy, like like he's adorable.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I'm not gonna lie, it was funny, but it's just like,
this is okay, we're in a comedy now.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
It was the way he was awkwardly swinging around his
head when he picked it up.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, that whole scene was just Yeah, I was laughing
at the part where as Zammies put it, the big
bad lady was drinking the it's wine but wasted all
the blood.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well that the pure size of you didn't even need
that big of a wineglass. I'm like, oh, that was
a huge challice.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
That thing was like, so why do so many vampire
movies portray vampires with an inability to drink from a cup?

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Seriously? But she just like it's like one of those
TikTok videos or the mom like pour some wine over
her face. She was just like, oh, she's drinking it. Fine, Okay,
slow down, lady, It's not you're wasting it. You're wasting
her blood. Okay, there's her blood all over the floor.
And honestly, if I was barga like lap boy over there,
I would have crawled my ass over drank some of
that blood, like.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
A I'm not a regular mom, I'm a cool mom.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, especially after seeing both of the other two being
in the sunlight, I would have been like, let me
get some of the blood too.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah.

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Speaker 3 (27:34):
Well then she just like drops it, didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
She just like she did like well, like she drake
baby twenty five percent of that all the blood's just
like bloop.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, I'm kind of curious about something I want to
ask you guys. So we talked about last week other
storylines that could have filled out that anime. And there's
a part in this movie where I believe it's Selene
and Day but they're looking at this murial and it's

(28:03):
like supposed to This mural is supposed to be what
they call the Battle of Pesty, which is said to
have ended the war between the Lichens and the vampires.
That is the movie that I think, that's the story
that should have been told in those animals.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, or even they could have done a sequel to
Rise of the Lichens that people wanted to see.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, but people gotta like the first film in order
to want to get more of the.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Second that's what they expected after Rise of the Lichens,
and that progressively gets worse.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Uh, I liked last week. I liked Awakening. I'm sorry,
I know you kind of thought it was okay. I
will say one of the things that I miss transitioning
from Awakening to this one is that there is only
one good gag in this entire movie, and that is
the Spine gag where she rips out Spine at the

(29:07):
end of the movie. Like, I was like, all right,
that was cool.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Well, David when he slashes the one in half is
pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Too, but yeah, okay, Spine when I was screaming out
finish him.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think the thing too, is like we went from
being in a kind of a post apocalyptic sci fi
to now we're back to like snowy vikings and stuff.
I'm like, where what Like they should have expanded more
on that they're in the future, but now we're just
gonna be the mountains.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
It feels so weird because it's like humans were like
such an integral There are no humans in this no humans.
They're like, you know what, we're gonna keep We're gonna
go back to the core of this This entire franchise
Lichens and Werewolves, And that's where I think the movie
kind of lost itself off, you know, is you have

(30:02):
to kind of continuously be pushing, and this movie is
kind of like, nah, fuck that, we're gonna play it safe.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
But even when they went back the Lichens were still
like you had some characters that you liked on there,
and here we got to know like one liking character
and then all the rest of them mindless beasts or
they're like they're very unimportant.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, but no, I mean I would have been okay
with them doing more of a story of the Covenant
of the North, because I can't remember the actual name
of them, the one in the snow. Give it more.
Give it more of a story than the short thing
that they did of how they learned all that and everything.
That would have been a decent thing to me.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
There's also just one random sledgeon in this movie, Bless
You that just I was like kind of confuses, like
why it's added in here? Like you know when you
watch a movie sometimes and you're like, why is this
movie like this particular scene here, this should have been cut.
There's a scene where Marquise shoots up blood like it's heroin.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
And he even has the same kind of reaction that
they show in movies of people shooting up drugs.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
And I was like, why is this gonna like pay
off somewhere? And it really does it?

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Like, Okay, it's kind of revealed that he was the
one that killed Michael. Okay, like that's that's fine, but like,
why is the scene in here?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
And it's kind of a a fast way for them
to explain where Michael went because they kind of hinted
at the end of Awakening that Michael had escaped, but
he's nowhere to be found or talked about in the
New One or in Blood Wars, So it was kind
of just a quick little story plot to be like, oh,

(31:48):
this is what really happened.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, But I mean later on in the movie he
says this is the last vile and he drinks it.
He doesn't even have to shoot it up, So I mean,
what's the point of shooting it up? Drink it and
get the same aspect.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
But it's also, like Mark said, it's really weird because
they're drinking Selene's blood and they just they absorb that
power forever, but Michael's blood and it doesn't do like
it's a temporary thing.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
It's very weird.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well, I don't think they ever showed any of the
vampires drinking Michael's blood except for Selene.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
So, like normally, when franchises passed through like different hands storytellers,
they have what's called a bible, and that bible kind
of gives like a breakdown of like everything that's included
in the franchise, the lore, you know, the rules of everything,
like the CODs for like Halloween is a great example

(32:53):
of that, Like there are certain things that like Michael
Kennan cannot do, and it feels like, yeah, it also
feels like here that like that was just not a
thing that like existed. They were just kind of like
you know what. And it's just kind of like that
scene that Key and Peel sketch where they're trying to
green light Grimlins too. They're like, any ideas, you're getting it,

(33:16):
you're getting it, you're getting it.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
I mean, I don't think you have.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
To word any bad ideas. And Gremlins too.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Though, no you're not. There weren't. But that's that's kind
of like the opposite of what you find here where
it's just like you got like a couple like bright
ideas flustered in here. There's like, noah, you know what,
We'll just flesh out all the bad ideas and all
the cliche ideas and all the ideas that you know
you've seen done a thousand other times.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Well see one of the other things that killed me.
And I don't know if anybody else picked up on
this is the big fight scene at the end. Before
they go in, it is gloomy and rainy. However, when
they're in there, they're shooting the walls, and all of
a sudden, there's everywhere shooting.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
The windows out from them. When they're surrounding the building outside.
Why didn't they start shooting them from there? It would
have saved a lot of fight.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Because then it would not have been as dramatic.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
But there's magical sunshine from somewhere.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Speaking of the fighting stuff, the one thing I thought
was really cool that they should have done more of it. It
was so quick and I don't know why, Like it
was kind of like that divergent feel too is and
the like sci fi when they're in the training room
and they had like the like holographic werewolves and they

(34:43):
were like practicing that was like a minute, Like I
wanted more of that. I wanted sleem to like train
them a bit. I thought that that was like very
interesting and cool, but no.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
And I would ask, it was just a plot scene
to try to frame, so is the whole point of
her entire Shane?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I want something because I want to see if I
missed it before, did they ever bring up night Shade
before now? And then the fact they hit on it
for like maybe five minutes and then just like Okay,
it's a side thing that we're done with it.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, They're like, yeah, you're just you're just supposed to
accept this, that this is this is the reality five
movies in and an anime, and you're just supposed to
accept the fact that, you know, we can be killed
by night Shade. And then like there's like this like
whole subplot of uh the other leader that's essentially just
trying to uh reduce the night Shade from her blood.

(35:44):
And I'm like, I am convinced that that is the
only reason why that plot was introduced, because they were like,
we've got we've got this actress she signed up, I
mean and we got to do something with her. Let's
just make let's just make her weight on like night
shed purification the entire movie.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I mean, if I was a villain, I would be
using that my advantage, not only just I'm like bullets,
I would have night shade bullets. I would have this
highest strength. I can get it.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Seriously, where will be like, let's dip my claws in it? Yeah,
exactly why did they do that before?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
They missed so much with that?

Speaker 5 (36:21):
To me, this is it. This movie had too much
shit that they threw in and none of it really
connected and flowed.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, because they again they were just like, yeah, we're
just not gonna look at the We're not gonna look
at the rules of the other four movies and just
hope no one else knows. Does anyone else still here?
Four movies later, you know, over a decade later.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's why they introduce every movie over and over again
at the beginning of the movie.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, because everybody's forgotten what happened from the other two
forgettable movies.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Just a picture of Salt Bay.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
But we got email vampires. We were we got emo vampires.
Did all the haircuts.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
A little that's a little A little too little, too
late in my opinion, Like that's a move, that's that's
something you probably should have done around like the twenty
ten to twenty eleven mark.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's it's just it's as a whole. The Underworld franchise,
they started off with so much potential and it just
went downhill quickly, very quickly.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Before we talk about the God Zami, I was.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Just going to say to hint on something you said
in the last film, the person they had played Michael
this time did not even like that little blip that
you saw when he was getting killed, did not look
like Michael at all.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeahtor formerly known as Michael. Yeah. So we've talked about
it throughout the course of these now five films. We
haven't really touched on how this franchise talks about mental health.
And one of the things that I thought was kind
of interesting with the lines is that Charles dances Thomas.
We spent a great deal talking about last episode is

(38:16):
you know, so much of every of Slene's arc following
Evolution is this almost kind of like this redemption arc.
And he has this line here to the council, he says,
you know, she could be judged and perhaps she can
even be redeemed. There's a moment in that where, you know,
I think for those of us that have gone through depression,

(38:38):
for those of us that have gone through anxiety, that
have been in our heads too much and too often,
is depression has this way of kind of giving you
this perception where you feel like you no matter what
you do, you can never be redeemed, you can never
be forgiven for all of the stuff you've done. And
I think it's really important, rucial to have one person,

(39:01):
whether you know that they're fighting for you or not,
say that you can be redeemed because ultimately, at the
end of the day, I mean, that's what is going
to help you say here to tomorrow, is that sometimes
in those darkest moments and in those darkest seasons, you
need at least one person to believe in you, because
belief can be contagious and can you can essentially wear

(39:27):
the belief of the other person.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Let's see. I kind of took it more like what
you're talking about, but more from an aspect of addiction,
that a lot of people get so lost in the
addiction that it's hard to see the upside and that
they are worth kind of redeeming themselves and going through

(39:52):
that whole process.

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Speaker 2 (40:59):
I think in both cases that it's sometimes hard to
do that for yourself, Like if you are struggling, but
if someone else believes in you and you feel like
you need to do it for someone else, then that
often can give you a push that you might not
be able to see to do it for you.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Well. One of the things they talk about, like AA
is finding a higher power, which is frequently for a
lot of people kind of the stumbling point because a
lot of people automatically assume they mean they mean God
and Christianity and stuff, but it's not always the case.
Like I've known people that's going through it and like
thought use their children is I want to get my

(41:40):
children back kind of thing, And it doesn't always have
to be a religious stand point, but something you can
focus on that will give you the focus to do
what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Well.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Even looking at from like that kind of program standpoint,
that's well step program, there's a point in there where
past even the higher power is kind of that making
a Mend's type of thing, and also kind of looking
at it from that aspect. Mark I've had, I've had tons,
I've had a few friends and I've had a few

(42:15):
family members that have gone through programs like that that
you know, have kind of gone to me and say,
you know, hey, like I was in a really dark
place in my life, and I said this, and I
did this, or you know, x Y or Z, can
you forgive me? And part of that process as well
of coming cleaning, coming through journey is that it is

(42:39):
and part of that addiction process or that alcoholism process
of sobriety is also reaching and understanding that as a
byproduct of those things that oftentimes you often hurt the
people that you love and do a lot of things
that you will probably regret once the sobriety kicks in.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
It's it's it falls in line with the taking responsibility
for your actions as well.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Sure, Yeah, which more people in this world need to do.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Too many people need to There's too many people that
everything is everybody else's fault. And you can improve as
a person in general, let alone with depression or addiction
or anything. You can't improve as a person in general
without taking personal responsibility for your own actions acceptance.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I think one thing to tie this to the movie
as well, is you notice Charles' character Thomas was a
coward in the last film and this one he's struck.
You can see he's struggling with the fact that he's
been a coward, but he knows that like he has
seen everything and his coven and all of that has

(43:55):
been through almost annihilation and then his son almost losing
that like that that trauma or that experience pushed him
to even though he was afraid, he did brave things
afraid and he you know, even though he died, he
redeemed himself in his son's eyes, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
See, but the thing about the coward part is I
think they kind of addressed that with him being trying
to protect his son, Yeah, because they kind of said
he kind of tried to hide David to nobody else
would see him, so he played the coward to hide
him from the world.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think I think too, like even what looking at
this through this this redemption, this hero's journey through Selene's
eyes as well, mean, like she kind of literally has
this like redemption arc in this movie where she quite
literally becomes a brand new person, like physically, And I
think that's part of that redemption process that we don't

(44:54):
often talk about or that we don't often consider when
you're kind of going through that because redemption is hard.
I mean it it's it is one of the hardest
things that you can do to like humble yourself and say,
like Hey, I was a really shitty person this point
in my life. And I you know, whether it was depression,

(45:18):
whether it's drugs, whether it's alcoholism, you know, whether it
was just you just kind of being a prick, like
I mean, there's a multitude of reasons, and you know,
kind of saying hey, like I'm but I'm trying to
get better and like, you know, I'm involved in you know,
the support group where I'm going to therapy or I'm
taking medication or you know, X, Y or Z. Whatever

(45:40):
that looks like is you know, first part of that
is like actually stepping outside of yourself and saying like, hey,
I have a problem. This this is me acknowledging it
and likes taking steps forward, like you know.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
And part of that process is also understanding that not
everybody is going to forgive you, and a lot of
those relationships aren't going to be the same.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, it wasn't in this movie. It was in the
last one. Daughter's thing was what Eva correct? So Eve
was cutting, she was cutting herself, and I took that
as her she was just trying to feel because she
had been locked up in that uh in the lab
for so long, and that could be a sign of depression.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Also, I mean her doing that I took as more
as a fascination with her healing, because she didn't know
she could do that before that.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah. So, like from looking at it from like a
mythology standpoint, I agree with Mark. But from your perspective
of addiction is there's something that happens. And I'm probably
not going to explain this in like the most scientific way,
but as a former cutter myself, the way that I
had to explain to me is that the brain processes
the emotional pain. But the reason why people cut is

(47:02):
they cut because it allows their brain to kind of
redirect that that processing system to another source of pains
that you can Essentially it acts almost as escapism, if
you will. Yeah, And so not a lot of people
kind of consider that in the grand scheme of self mutilation,

(47:24):
but as a former cutter myself, yeah, I can formally
agree with that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, Like when you're having an anxiety attack and I
tell you to eat something sour, because it basically redirects
your brain from having anxiety to feeling the sour sensation
and it focuses on that.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
So that's it's basically that. And you know, I get
that are we want to focus.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
We don't want to deal with this, so we would
rather deal with something else that we are more familiar with,
the more familiar pain.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, and on that note, if you were someone you
know is struggling with suicide, addiction, self harm, depression. Five
links in the show notes below for you guys to
get in touch with counselor's research, just resources and education,
et cetera. It's Victims and Villains dot net for slash hope.

(48:20):
Before we talk about the possible future of this franchise, though,
what is everyone's rankings? Now that we have seen all
six movies.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
While we're thinking on that, I do want to point
out one one really quick thing.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
It's Mother's Day and this was a movie for moms.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
This is a movie for moms. She does struggle in motherhood.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
She struggles in motherhood and accepting. You know that.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Guess what, nobody's got all their shit together. You're gonna
screw up as a parent. But if you're trying, you
met your faults and you love your children. That's all
the matter. Just letting you know nobody's a perfect parent anyway.
Films and if you don't know what mommy I'm your mommy.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Now, I'd say two to one and then the rest.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
All right, the rest of us are thinking about the
billity you got yours because I'm still I'm still working
my way through.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
This two one. Are we counting the anime? Yes, Anime, Awakening, Likings,
Blood War.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
That's that's pretty bad when a three episode, eighteen minute
total anime is better than the rest of the three movies.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
I mean, everybody can me, but I like the anime
then the other three movies.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Uh, is Abby? You want to go first? You want
me to go first? Uh?

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Since I and the veteran who has seen all the movies,
I'll let.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
You go first. All right, So I'm gonna go bottom.
Barrel six is going to be Rise of the Lichens,
Blood Wars, Endless War, the anime, the first film, Awakening,
and then Evolution.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Agree with Mark, Hmmm, I have the exact same except
I flip. And the only reason I flip and have
the first film as number one is just because I
always rank first movies above sequels and less It's absolutely terrible.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
So it's like a you laid the groundwork.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You deserve that credit, even if you're not like the best,
because if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have to.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Did I just miss here? Josh and saying he thought
Awakening was better than the Original.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yes, I had way more fun with Awakening than Oh wait, wait.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Wait wait wait is that what you said?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
No?

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah, oh no.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
The Original was the third best.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Movie you had that.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I have the first one, the second one, the fourth one,
the anime, then the fifth one. Oh no, no, no,
the sermon. Oh my god, I can't think. Okay, it's
it's Underworld, it's Evolution, then it's Awakening, then it's the anime.

(51:23):
Then it's Rise of Lichens, and then it's Blood Wars.
I am dy like sick, so I can't do numbers.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I had to.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I have a lot of I'm gonna run through this
real quick.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
So Josh also has weird rakings. He thought Alien he.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Did it backwards, so you screwed me up.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I always do my backwards, he thought.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Josh thought Alien Resurrection was one of the better movies
in the Alien series.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
That Alien Resurrection was so dumb, but it was so much.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
I love Aliens Resurrections so much.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
All it's all right. Classes in session to talk about
the possible future of this franchise, so Zabi's if we
do get any more future installments, we'll bring you back.
But originally, on August twenty seventh, twenty fourteen, there were
plans to Originally this film was scheduled to actually reboot

(52:21):
the franchise. It was not supposed to be a sequel
to Awakening, but rather a reboot entirely.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Go ahead, Mark, I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
You look like you were going to say something.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
It sounded like that was going to be a dumb
idea too, as compared to what we got.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
However, it was later revealed that it was not going
to be a sequel or so, it was not going
to be a reboot. Instead, it was going to be
tentatively titled Underworld Next Generation. Kate Beckonsale was going to
be returning on a Forester come on to direct, and
THEO James Davis is going to be set up to

(53:01):
reprise his role and actually take over the reins in
this new movie, which is why it feels like that.
But said that quote, his involvement in it is this.
I think it's going to be very different, difficult to
do with these divergent movies and my other commitments, which Divergent.

(53:22):
You know, we talked about these movies progressively getting worse.
Divergen's on a whole other level of going from bad
to worse because it kind of starts out very mediocre
and then it just gets progressively unwatchable.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Well, Divergent was coming off of that trend of the
Hunger Games where they were trying to just toss out
movies that were like that, and Diversion was one of
those series.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, and the books were so much better than movies
fell flat.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
So after this movie came out in twenty seventeen, in
a lot in January on January sixth, twenty seventeen. In
September of twenty at twenty eighteen, Becamsale had cast doubt
about appearing in a sixth Underworld movie. However, in July

(54:14):
of twenty twenty one, she had started changing her tunes,
saying that she was not posed to reprising the role,
mostly because I think, if you've seen her IMDb at
this point, a lot of the movies that she has
made since this have been pretty shitty.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at some actors and actresses,
Elizabeth Hurley was another one that happened to Yeah, she
was in a bunch of stuff over like the late nineties,
in the early two thousand and then just kind of
started disappearing.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah. So around at the same time that lake Shore
was playing around with the idea of quote unquote rebooting
this franchise, it was also announced that Lenn Wiseman, the
original films co writer and director, had plans to expand

(55:10):
the series the possibilities of spin offs and the addition
of television series emphasis on multiple series. In January of
twenty sixteen, the filmmaker confirmed that he is still developing
the series, although there is no timetable for when it
will debut. He stated that the series will explore characters

(55:30):
that tie into the films the film series, So my
thought processes that this would take place in a bunch
of would not be Selene focus the way that the
movies are. Yeah, but I think after five movies in
can we all say that we came here mostly for

(55:51):
Selene at this point?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, that's why everybody watched those movies.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, the series of Fishing.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
I like vampires.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I will watch almost anything with vampires in it, whether
it's good or bad.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
But hello, I can say yeah, the series officially the
inter development. In September of twenty seventeen, Wiseman was announced
to return of the franchise as an executive producer. The
filmmaker said that the series will be a quote pretty
big departure from the films, especially with the tone and

(56:32):
the characters of the character of the show will be different.
The series will be a joint venture production between Sony Pictures, Television,
Screen Jams, Sketch Films, Lakeshore Entertainment in twentieth Century Films.
As of twenty twenty three, Wiseman indicated the project is
still in development. There's no anything out after there. However,

(56:55):
these are the These next three things are the really interesting. Thanks.
So I will start at the end since Zambies brought
it up the last episode. So. In October of twenty sixteen,
producer David Kerrn revealed that they had actually considered a

(57:18):
crossover with the Resident Evil series at one.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Point called it. I knew it. I knew there was
too many coincidences.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah, So there's two other projects that they have tried.
They originally proposed crossovers, with the first one being I
Frankenstein from twenty fourteen. It was planned by Kevin Greerx,
who played Raise in the First and Rise of Likens.

(57:56):
He's also the co creator of the Underworld French Guys
and the creator of the I Frankenstein graphic novel. He
stated in an interview that in an early draft of
the screenplay, is Uh was done and back and Sale
would have made a post credit cameo appearance as Selene
that would have been Underworld Easter eggs, and but none

(58:18):
of it ended up being used. My question for you
guys before I give the very last crossover, how many
of you guys have actually seen I Frankenstein.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
I have, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
I don't remember it other than Thomas.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, I was gonna say. I was like, I've seen
it too, and it's ready.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
For It's not bad, it's just forgettable.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, it's it's pretty forgettable. It's I couldn't tell you
anything about it except for Harvey Dent Aaron Eckharts in it.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Okay, I thought I was thinking it was Thomas Jane. No.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
And I'm gonna end. I'm gonna end. We've already talked
about how somber this film feels. I'm gonna end the
episode on a very somber note. In October of twenty sixteen,
Kate Beckensdale said it that for the final proposed crossover
was actually going to be between the Underworld franchise and

(59:25):
No and the then Blade series with Wesley Snipes, featuring
Snipes coming back to play Blade. It had been in
the development and been discussed with Marvel Comics the previous year,
but was declined after Marvel Marvel Studios regained the film

(59:46):
rights to the character and planned to introduce Blade into
the MCU. And we all know how that's going. So
we're still waiting. But god da, I love to be
here for that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
I absolutely love Blade.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
So like, yeah, I know there is a push from
Ryan Reynolds and fans to do another Blade movie with
Wesley Snipes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yes, he has to be like I know he's getting old,
but like he is Blade, Like he has to be
in there in some form, whether he's passing down his
torch or not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
He's He's probably the second best Marvel casting as a character,
next to Ryan Reynolds's Deadpool. Yes, those are probably the
two best cast characters in that whole universe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, and Barbart Donna Junior is a great Iron Man,
so like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Although they should have had oh crap, what was the
guy's name that played Hannibal Lecter in the Hannibal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Series, Oh, Matts Midson, who's mad?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, they should have had there. There was a push
by fans to have him play Doom Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and I hated that they brought him back as that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, there was a lot of people wanted to see
Matt Michaelson as doctor Doom. And apparently my child has
a massive crush on Matts Michelson. Nice, she said. She said,
if she was ever a Make a Wish kid, she
would make a wish to have dinner with Matts Michelson
and characters had an able Lecter that was her make

(01:01:37):
a wish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Okay, then all right, well I will I am since
I personally am a completionist, I will throw this out
there that there is a ton of tie in media
to the Underworld franchise as a whole as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
They probably books and comics, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah, So starting off the comic, as I previously mentioned,
the actor that plays it's Kevin Grannis. I can never
say his name, but he's the guy that is again
one of the co writers of the first film. He's
one of the co creators of this universe, and he
also played Rise Raise in Underworld and then Rise of

(01:02:18):
the Ligends. He has written a number of comics tie
ins that have included the adaptations of Underworld, Underworld Evolution,
and Underworld Rise of the Lichens, and the original Underworld
Red and Tooth and Claw. Serving as a prequel to
Underworld for the character of Lucian is the three part
comics series featuring Kevin Grickson's character Raise Dark's dark Storm

(01:02:45):
Comics also published an adaptation of Underworld Blood Wars, which
I would imagine they regret. Pocket Star Books has also
published novelizations of Underworld, Underworld Evolution, and Underworld Rise of Likeens,
all written by Greg Cox in addition to the original

(01:03:07):
and original novel by Cox titled Underworld Blood Enemy, which
is written before Evolution. It depicts an alternative origin to
the war based on details as Sonya's initial portrayal as
blonde in the flashbacks. Interesting and also there is a

(01:03:31):
video game, apparently in a half life mod, titled Blood
Underworld Bloodline It really was released in two thousand and three.
An action video game based on the first film called Underworld.
The Eternal War was scheduled to be for release on
the PS two and Xbox consoles in two thousand and four,
but it was the only saw for release on the

(01:03:54):
PlayStation in Europe and was canceled in all the regions.
So my question for any European listeners, if we have any,
if you've played this game, is it dogshit?

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
It was? It was a Diablo style three quarter view shooter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Oh, that's kind of interesting. I don't know how I
feel about that. I feel like it with that charm
of that would would wear off pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
I mean, you never played Diablo.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
So no, those games are really fun, but their hacking
slash for most part, So like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yeah, Diablo works in that. I don't know necessarily it
would work translating this franchise over to something like that,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
So there was there was actually a game series in
that style, and it was multiplayer too. It was super cool.
It was couch multiplayer that The Hunters I think it
was called or something like that, and it actually worked.
It wasn't a hacking slash. It was a shooter like
this would have been, and it actually worked. It was
really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I would have been that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
I would have been okay if it was in Oblivion
style to where you can open world, where you can
go as one of the characters throughout the world in it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah, but how many how many relationships have Oblivion and
Skyrim killed over the years, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It's true. And on on that note, how where could
people find you online? Zambies on the in tweeds.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I stream on Twitch Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I paint
minies at Zambi's. I make YouTube content when I can
at Zambi's and my instagram is Zambies Decays.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
And Mark, we already know where we could find you,
and tell us where.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Mark's here. He's enslaved, Please send cookies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
That's right. You can catch Mark here simply on a
biscazing went night at six pm Eastern Standard time. Billy Mark,
and people find you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
And be a boy nine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I am on Captain. I am also on a not
on Captain. I am Captain Nostalgion letterbox as well, and
you guys can find me on They're posted pretty regularly.
But we'll be back next week talking celebrating one hundred
and fifty episodes, talking about the original nineteen seventy eight Halloween,

(01:06:26):
which is very beautiful, but until next I remember. The
longer that you gaze into the Abyss, the more the
Abyss gazes back into you.

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