Until the Light Takes Us (2025) | Episode #156 - Abyss Gazing: A Horror Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You are listening to a Biscaysing, a horror podcast where
we celebrate all things spooky and mental health.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm I'm your other co host, Billy.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm your the other co host, Josh, And on this
episode we're two for two on new releases. We're talking
about Megan two point zero a lot of twists. Mark
left us and we.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Changed sarily temporarily last night. I'm only your guest co
host for a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
This episode all about the angel Let's go.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Let's talk about Alison Williams and your spot.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I hated the first Megan with a passion. I have
no desire to even see this one.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Mark, Why do you hate everything that is good?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't. I just did not like Megan. There was
no nothing good about the original.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
This one is, can't you? It is mission impossible, beats
the term and literally nothing more that you could ask
for that And apparently it's fucking with your camera too.
This is what happens when you make deals with digital demons,
you know. But we're talking about something on on all

(01:27):
serious notes, we're talking about something that that rocks a
whole lot less talking about the documentary until Darkness until
the Sorry until the Light Takes Us for two thousand
and eight, which you can stream right now on Hoopla
or vo D. This was Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was gonna say, this is the one Mark brought
to us. Let's all point that out at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
This this is this is one that this is Mark's pick.
I will let the record show that I do not
express and of the opinions uh explored within this documentary. Mark,
you have seen this movie countless times.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I have seen this documentary a few times. I'm probably
also the only one here that actually was a little
bit of black metal here and there.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
No Nope, brand.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
I like again, so I like it's called black Days,
but I like the atmosphere black metal life.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
They've been incorporating its some with death core here over
the last probably five or ten years, with a couple
of bands and a lot of Will Ramos Is Lorna
Shore stuff has been kind of falling in that black
and depthcore.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Now, let's talk about this podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Do what.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Let's talk about this podcast?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
All right, We're not even ten minutes in and we
have already alienated half our audience. Again, I do not
I cannot be held liable or neither convictims and villains
for any of the views expressed on this. All right,
So this is a documentary in two thousand and eight.

(03:12):
It explores kind of the origins or kind of this
like burst of what put black metal on the map,
what made it controversial, what kind of got kind of
allowed it to come into the lights, and as our

(03:32):
main guy likes to say, called it and made it
a quote trend, which I don't know was ever a
part of Mark. You've seen this movie several times. You
were the one that made us podcast about this movie.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Wow. I thought, I thought, with how you do the
music promotion events and things like that, you might find
something interesting in something about the history of a certain genre.
But apparently I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I this is swear Billy's mom and dad fighting mom.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And daddy Stop. It's got a lot of mental health
in it.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
It does.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I will say that that was actually.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
The reason why I brought this one up is because
there is some a lot of mental health stuff in
this one. To be to be.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Frank, I am not a fan of black metal, and
typically if I watch documentaries, I think the sign of
a good documentary makes me at least interested in the
subject that it's covering, even if I don't have any
connection to the source of the documentary. You know, there's
a great documentary from twenty to twenty one that I

(04:51):
covered during Genre Blast. That's a great example. It was
about ballet. It was about a guy that essentially it
was a ballet instructor in New York and ultimately ended
up falling ill and kind of like lost everything. But
it made me care about the subject matter because it

(05:12):
was the signs of a really good documentarian, and it
did not feel that way. This way I came into this.
I left this movie the same way that I came
into it. I have a little bit more knowledge of
the history of black metal, but I do not care
about black metal anymore or any less after this.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, that sounds like a personal problem.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
This was This was a terrible movie, And what the
record show is a continued trend. Mark constantly brings movies
to this table that I do not like, versa and
vice versa. I will say there are exceptions. Phantasm and
Event Horizon have long been great movies and have been

(05:55):
like that middle ground for Mark and I. But this
movie might be the worst you've brought to the table,
and I.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Think I think some of that. I was talking with
a friend about it the other day, kind of joking
that every time me and you bring movies we hate
usually and the other one it's a pavement. Are just
not interested at all. And I think it has to
do with the fact that there's almost like a generation
difference because you're what like ten years younger than me
something like that.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, but Billy and I, I think it's just it
doesn't have anything generations because Billy and I love and
you guys are the same age.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
But I mean, Billy wasn't one of the weirdest. I
don't think he was just more of the nerds.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It wasn't even that it wasn't enough coffee to watch
this movie.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
How many times it so? Billy, You're You're notorious were
also rewatching this.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I watched it the first time, and I'm like, a, right,
because I watched it earlier in the week, because you're like,
you need to watch this. We didn't figure this out.
I'm like, Okay. Then I turned it on this morning.
I'm like, I gotta kind of at least somewhat rewatch it.
I have a little bit of an idea of what
we're talking about, and I'm like it did get any

(07:05):
better with the rewatch.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
So it's actually it's about two well, it's about like
three or four different things that are all tied together.
It's about the history and and creation of black metal,
Norwegian black metal, which was an offshoot of death metal.
It's about the events of Uronymous as Murder and the

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events kind of surrounding the whole satanic and cult image
that black metal actually kind of got stuck to it.
So it's it deals with multiple topics of the of
the actual death metal genre, whether you like it or not,
it does.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I also find that documents document about documentary documentaries that
have a very monotone voice to them are all so
also leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Like I think that, uh, when you're excited about the
the subject matter that you're reporting on, whether you were

(08:12):
first person or second this one just kind of felt emotionless,
and I guess that's in line with black metal. But
even like during like who's the main guy that we follow.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Around, Uh, feneris from dark Throne.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
So the yeah, so the dude from dark Throne, Like
there are like multiple shots like when he's like in
the office doing the interview, like there has to be
like some sense of like passion or like love like
that you do it. He's just very like monitored, like
answering the questions. Actually it's like this, and let me
just tell you, it's like this, and I'm just like,

(08:49):
what are.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
The things of God? I've probably watched it four or
five times for various reasons, but one of the thing
he comes across is very pretentious, like I am better
than you because I'm one of the originals. Everybody else
is just a copy and everything he does and says
talking about the scene in general.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
The Homeboy was the same way.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
His name.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Name the guy that was in the prison in the beginning,
working in the prison.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Varg was in prison up until a few years ago.
Uh for uonymous murder. He's actually he's, for lack of
a better way to put he's kind of ship in
real life.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
He's he's had a hard uh time finding a place
to reside after getting out of prison because of his
background and some of his beliefs, which, let me be clear,
I may like black metal, but I don't believe of
that ship that he does, so I'm not on that
on that belief system, but he's he's kind of isn't

(10:09):
well deserved probably in his case.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes, well, I mean even on the part where they
were talking about the suicide and they found the guy
in all, even that part didn't even have emotion to it.
The most emotion that it was was he described and
how he went to go get the camera before he
thought about anything else. But it was all monotone talking
about the whole.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Situation, which is probably one of the most like fucked
up things that I've ever seen as someone that is
a suicide loss survivor. Like that was probably one of
like the worst things that we see within this because
I because the guy's name was Dead that died, right, Yeah,

(10:54):
that was.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
His stage name, Yeah Dead, And so used that for
the cover, did they not?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
They used it for the cover like before they called
the cops. The guy was like, oh, we just found
this body, Like let's take a picture and then we'll
like we'll make his album cover, Like I am not
familiar with it, and like.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
That was Actually it wasn't the main release that they
used it for, which doesn't make it any better, but
it also.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
And that's why when they were talking about it. One
of them was like, he didn't call the police, He
didn't call authorities. His first thought was let me get
a camera, which goes to show you that none of
these guys are really in their right mind.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
There are copies out there that is he just like
very rare.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I think it's also probably why I'm not a huge
fan of this genre is because I don't, like I
could be I can turn on artists like Manson and
slip Knot and not not relates, not fully be able
to believe in the things that they believe and still

(12:06):
be a fan of their music. You know. It is
there's a there is a definite line that you draw
when it comes to separating the art from the artists.
And Wow, I will give Mayhem credit for kind of
being the band that put the signature look of black
metal on the map with the corpse painting, as the

(12:30):
documentary does describe, Like that is kind of where I'm like, yeah, this,
this did not make me want to go and listen
to this band, you know, because originally I watched this
pretty early in the week and I was like, all right,
I'm gonna familiarize myself with some of these artists, and
the further it got into the documentary, the less I
wanted to do with these the genre well, let me.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Yes, it got popular in black mantal, But isn't that
kind of is if there was ever a kiss with that.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Faint?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh, that's a great question, Mark, what's your opinion on that?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I don't know, because they never I never really looked
into how influential kiss was on some of these older bands,
older black metal bands. I mean, I could see possibly
that they were because it was the same black and
white face paint, but maybe more on the Gene Simmons
side than anything else. Some of that seems to have

(13:32):
come through, But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Again, one thing that I will reiterate over and over
throughout the course of this episode is that I'm not
a fan of this genre, so I don't have any
any knowledge of this at all. But there is when
you're talking, you're looking at the film they are kind
of talking about in the context of, uh, the decision
to wear a corpse paint, you know, where they were

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kind of like looking around at other live acts and
they were like everyone kind of seems to essentially not
have that theatricality that they felt like the music had
like there was no stage production that rep resented the
music they were making, and so the jeans and T
shirt yeah, yeah, so it kind of felt like very

(14:18):
like very like thrash kind of like early like grungy
type of like appeal to it. And then that was
kind of where it kind of came in. So, like
my thought process is that whether they're fans of the
music or not of Kiss, I think they can be
fans of the theatricality of Kiss and kind of were

(14:40):
inspired that. That's my hypothesis.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Or even like Alice Cooper too, that's true as well.
He was warm of him. I think he was before
Kiss and with that, so then you could go as
far as to say without Alice Cooper, would they have
gone that route?

Speaker 5 (14:58):
And then you had the Misfits too, I mean they
have a lot of stuff also, so it's kind of
just one after another. I I am probably and Mark's
probably the biggest black metal fan here. I am maybe
like five er because like I said, I like the atmosphere, like.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Melodic more like that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm black metal.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm more of a fan of the like orchestral black metal,
like the Orders and Cradle of Filth and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
See I love cragonal films, so you know, there's awesome.
So but before uh, because I've never seen this documentary,
but I have seen the movie Lord of Chaos, which
is really fun, and then I watched a couple of
other documentaries. So like, when I was watching this documentary,
I was actually Josh and I was like, dude, like,
I'm so bored. Yeah this and this was shocking to

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me because I knew all this. All this was like
if you're just if you have your feet just a
little deep, this a little bit and black metal, you know,
all this stuff. It was like, it's just a bunch
of monotone. Just you went up there and played fast.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Guitar and.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
All right, So let me let me ask you this. So, like,
one of the things that I've read from people on
like letterbox is that this is probably not the best
starter documentary to check out. So Brandon, having seen other
docs on the subject, what would you recommend better wise, because.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
There's actually well you bring up Lords of Chaos. While
you're looking for that, you bring up Lords of Chaos,
and it makes that a little bit more interesting because
you're starting to get more of the facts and was
based on and then seeing the actual like dramatic portrayal

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of some of these events with some Hollywood artistry it in.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I think the other thing that like really drove me crazy,
and I am probably the only person that will complain
about this, is that this movie feels very amateur in
terms of how it's made. The audio consistently drove me
crazy to where it would go in and out, and
I think, again, I think it's a I think it's

(17:22):
a black metal thing because there's a there's a point
in the movie where they talk about making really shitty
quality and they're like, no, we need the we need
it to be worse. So like they were like, if
we're gonna do a documentary on black Mental, it's got
to have shitty audio and shitty production.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
That's what I was going to point out and say,
was they basically said, hey, we asked for this headphones
that were the worst mic in the room and everything.
So I'm wondering did they use all those to make
the documentary.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I haven't looked into the documentary enough to answer that,
but it fits if they did.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
So what I what I watch is actually on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's called life of Turtle, the Story of Mayhem, and
then there's ten Years of Mayhem, and then there was
another one that was called the Darkest during in the History,
and then there was one more than It's just about
black Metal on Jane Walker. Well it's called but those
three I have seen on YouTube and I got two
of my best friends, Hayden and town shut out else Whah.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
They are obsessed with black metal and they actually have
an in print called Doors Are Dude where they do
black metal rips. They just did.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
H Judus is scary as Martin. Reason that is it's
a black metal artists did a rip of the history.
It's recently so like I know a little bit because
they're obsessed with it.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
But also I took down this this this U because
it was it was the guy from Dark Throne talking
about this when they were talking about the the shitty
production quality of making the first album. Uh it give
me the worst grafone you have. Yeah, it was a
protest against good production.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
And the other one was actually a fin documentary true Black.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, that's that's when I would I was recommended as well.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, they were talking about they wanted to be kind
of a protest against all the like correctly done stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Which.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Brand and I have had these conversations before what it's
like good production versus like bad production. And I am
always like I want the clean, crispness like when they
hit the snare. I want to feel it like reverberating
my bones. And I want to hear it beautifully mixed
with like heavy guitars and the chugs and sickening vocals

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like and these harmonies, Like I want all of that.
Brand is just like go recorded at a garage.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I want to have to take a shower.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Just raw emotion, like give it to me, Give it
to me, daddy, you know what I mean that kind
of stuff. Like Josh, I mean we're both the Under
Oath fans, but I'm more like early under Roads.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Than he is.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
And like a long time ago meeting him, we remember
we podcast it was an act of depression.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yes, oh god, yes.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
You hated it. It's so good.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
It's still good, changing the times, the best under under.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oath record, I still stand by to find the great line.
It's just a masterpiece from through, through and through. Billy
is probably like I don't.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Know this man. I don't think I've listened to any
under Oath.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I think if you listen to under Oath, anything under Oath,
I think you'd listened to the ones that Brandon likes,
like Active Depression, Changing of Times. They're very very heavy,
very rappy production. I think you'd love it because, as
the scale show, if I hate it, you have to
love it find anyway.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
We also did a podcast on their Blood and Fire
fire Rest Isaiah.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh yeah, lot. But with all this.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hatred or love or whatever of the genre, the influence
that they had though, that's what you got to look at. Overall.
They may have you may not have liked their music,
but you still see some of the theatrics and like
Slayer and in Behemoth and other bands of their genre,
they're not I'm sorry, I was like, they're not black metal,

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but they still have some of that influence in them.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Pure Josh and White and a lot of.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
The Before we get into that, I just want to know.
I just want to know, all right, So, Billy, where
do you stand. I'm a fan of the black metal
genre because I know where everyone else stands. I don't
know where you stand.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, I don't know either way if I like
black Motal or not. I just listened for a band
I listened to. I'm starting to get more into the
bands we're going with you, But you know I haven't.
I haven't done a lot of bands or anything.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I mean, let's see, I've seen Demieu once or twice.
I've seen Kraylea Felth three or four times. I've met
Danny Filth once. He's a very little man and he
will crush your hand in a heart beat when shaken.
It's kind of impressive. I've seen Naglfar. I've seen dark
Dark Funeral, not Dark Throat. They played one show that

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I got to go two years ago ab outside of
DC in Springfield, Virginia.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
You mean it Silver Spring Wait.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
They played in a place called jacks.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
And oh yeah, Jackson. I don't. I don't think Jackson
is around anymore.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I don't think there's a lot of death when we're
coming through Alabama recently.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Like we just had a cardio Field voice camil Court
recently and we got uh uh dying fetus coming pretty soon.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah, yeah, that shows me be sick. It's them and
Gates to Hell and monk Shot said.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Which is funny because I was never a big fan
of just straight old school death.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I I don't know, well, I don't listen to it.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I like it live.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Like why it's different, like like seeing with black metal,
Like if I could have seen these bands back in
the day, I probably would like it more than listening
to it, because why it's a different, different field, different atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
You're seeing a spectacle. Hearing the spectacle wasn't gonna really
hit you as much. You're not seeing what they're doing. Yeah,
seeing it, it's like, oh this is I think.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think another thing too that like has kind of
uh one of the things that I've noticed about myself
as a music listener, and the very brief glimpses you
kind of get at some of the artistry in here.
We'll get back and I'll tie this back into influence.
Is I want if music is going to be longer
songs like we're talking six or seven minutes, like I

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wanted to feel like I can, I can experience an
evolution and every kind of soundbit we got in this
movie of these bands. You know some of the bands
that they talked about is we've talked about Dark Throne, Brizam,
Black Circle, Ammortal, Immortal, Death, Crush, well, Death Crush was

(24:45):
uh was Mayhem. You know, we talked about a lot
of those bands so far, and you know, they were
kind of very pivotal in making that, creating the sound
of that. That's just not for me. There's no evil
that I really find in that. Like, you know, one
of my favorite songs is a seven minute song and

(25:09):
it's probably really bad that I'm pretty sure only Brandon knows.
And it's gwen Stacy, But the fuck there's a band
called gwen Stacy.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Don't won't knock it.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
It's so good, it's it's good old it's good old
Southern uh, Southern hardcore metal.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, Freebird is still an epic long song.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
But the there's an evolution to it, there's a building
to it, and you know, I may not be a
fan of the genre of black metal, but I will
not ever deny the influence that it's had on the
genre and the bands that I listen to now, Like
you know, Ice, Nine Kills, Brandon Brought, Motionless and White.
A lot of those bands have a very theatrical live

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show when you go see them. Chariot, I think it
was kind of that same way back in the day.
You know, there are a lot of bands that have
been very theatrical, very over the top, and probably very
well have artists like Mayhem or Dark Throne two to

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thank for that.

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Speaker 1 (27:43):
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Speaker 1 (28:01):
Sublease?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Stay with us, Mark get this more now.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
On mud Vey remember early mud Vene.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh yeah, they they were.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
They did some crazy ass makeup and stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, I remember when they showed up on the scene.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Oh dude, me too. Dig Dig The whole album changed everything.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
But when I talk about mud Banker, we did maybe well,
I mean documentary.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Also, like you know, you look at like bands from
that era, like very early mud vein like late nineties,
like mid to late nineties. Around that time is when
you saw the acts of bands like Slipknot and Manson.
You know, these people that mushroom Head that had these
very shocking theatrical things shows and also had these very

(28:49):
like I don't say refreshing, but like they were like
shock rock type of lyrics to him as well to
where you hadn't really seen anything like it. And and
I'm kind of curious if if you guys talk about
the influence of black metal, if any of those acts
would you would classify as being influenced by bands of

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that era.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I'm going to get this center.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, whoop poop, we got gott.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Oh. I mean one of the scenes they start introducing
the drummer from Mayhem where he just kind of handed
him the audio tape. It was like, here, check this out,
I want to play for you. And they were talking
about the blast beats and the double bass and things
like that that later became like standards and most modern metal.

(29:43):
You have the shock rock factor with the makeup and
with the kind of unfortunate acting uh antics of dead uh,
with self mutilation on stage, you've had. Iggy Pop has
done stuff like that some of his shows. Yeah, he broke,
he broke. There's a fairly famous story where he broke

(30:06):
a wine glass on himself and the stem stuck into
his chest and he pulled it out and started spraying
blood everywhere. So it's how much of that can be
tied back to Well, I think he Pop's been around
longer than that, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I mean you can also say the same about about Ozzie.
I mean, yeah, that is an infamous story. Like I mean,
Motley Crue also had crazy stories from their early days.
The Roses.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The Batman was, I mean still, I mean everybody knows
that story.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, crazy, what are you talking about, Josh.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean Vince Neil killed the guy and he only
did ninety days in prison.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
That is, unfortunately very true, and Nicky six died at
one point that the very man.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
It was a huge no, I'm not letting this.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Guy well the thing with and it's discussed in the movie.
In this documentary, a lot is black Metal comes a
lot from the mindset of depression and suicidal tendencies and
things like that, and that's how they were writing the
lyrics was to deal with a lot of that. But

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then you ended up with people like uh like dead
who I forgot the name of the actual mental disorder.
But from interviews they did with him and people that
knew him, they all say the same thing. He kind
of thought he was dead to begin with. And it's
some weird mental disorder where they think they're dead but

(31:44):
they're not. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm looking it up.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, so they think that played a large part in
his in his ultimate suicide.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
So, not to cut you off the the medical disorder
where someone believes they are dead is actually called Codeard syndrome.
It's also known as Codeard's delusion or walking corpse syndrome.
Individuals with this rare condition hold the false belief belief
that they are deceased non existent where parts of their
body are already decaying or missing.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So, associated conditions, according to Google, also say that it
is linked with other psychiatric disorders. Can be also believed
to be associated with schizophrenia and severe depression. Also, besides
the belief of death, individuals may experience illusions related to
their body parts, believing they've lost organs, blood, or limbs

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obviously we see in this movie. But it can have
a disrupt to where in your own day to day
life you have social withdrawal, also self neglect, and even
suicidal thoughts as well.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
So yeah, there's that. So knowing that and you even
have later in the documentary, Frost from Satirra talking about
he chose a name that he wanted to kind of
represent the feeling of black metal, and Frost was that
name for him. Knowing all that, does it change anything

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about the genre or just you.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Don't like it or it's not from me, It doesn't
doesn't change anything I feel about it. I mean, I
have met several people that are operate in different genres
that feel the same exact way, but articulate with things
in styles or genres that resonate with me a little
bit better. One of the things that I will say

(33:49):
is that you know, we talk about you talk about
the the lyric, the lyrical nature of these bands and
their legacies. But one of the things that I think
this documentary did, one of the best things I will
say this documentary did put an emphasis on that is
the visual representation. I love that there is this subplot

(34:10):
where you get to meet a Norwegian kind of artist
and he's orchestraled this whole entire visual medium of black
metal and the representation of depression, mental illness, suicidation, self
mutilation that you kind of see and you get kind

(34:31):
of parts of it throughout the corpse throughout the course
of his introduction, but it's one of the last things
you see within this movie to where you're actually seeing
a visual representation of what a lot of these artists
kind of go through. And I think that for an
outsider like myself, being able to kind of see the
mental state first and foremost of a lot of these

(34:54):
guys and the things that they're saying about, writing about,
playing about was really an I touched to have because
I think a lot of times when it comes to
mental health, we don't take anything seriously unless we can
physically see it with our own eyes.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Well, you see when they're showing that Fenris is walking
around through the exhibit looking and if you kind of
really pay attention to it and compare him to how
he was in the interview over the phone, where he
was slightly animated and talking about everything that happened, he
almost looks like he's uncomfortable with everything, and he makes
the comment I know all this because I was there.

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I know where this picture was taking place because I
was there, and he almost seemed like he was uncomfortable
looking at all of it and having to face it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
All that is because we I think it's more of
a society thing, right, Like, For as much as I
think a lot of these guys don't necessarily want to
be ingrained in societal habits and how they want to
be like you know, punk rock against the system and
the things that they're cold or the emotion that they're
told to feel, you can't mean anytime you're face to

(36:04):
face with that stuff, the majority of us are uncomfortable.
I mean, if someone was to say, hey, I painted
this because I wanted to die, like here's where like
I would have died, Here's how I would have done it,
started explaining the art instantly, you're going to feel uncomfortable
or you know, I think that's just human nature, you know.
And a lot of times when some of the feedback

(36:25):
that I've gotten when I talk about mental health and
when I talk about mental health education and suicide prevention
in particular, I've got a lot of feedback sometimes that
will say, Hey, you're really intense. I need you to
dial it back please. It's like, man, like, I'm I'm
very passionate about this, Like, you know, I'm very passionate
about the fact that there are people out there that

(36:48):
don't think they have value or don't think that they
have worth. And you know, I get it. It's uncomfortable.
It's not a comfortable topic to have or to embrace.
But I think it's a necess a thing that we
should be talking about. And I think that for even
being not being a fan of black metal, I think
that there is a place for it because it brings

(37:09):
like minded people together to where they can have an
outlet to express themselves and the emotions that they're feeling.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Now, that's kind of the beauty of the metal state
in general, is it's all the people who feel like
rejects and like they don't belong have a place they
can go and feel like part of a greater thing.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
That's what attracted me to the local hardcore metal scene
when I was fifteen sixteen years old, just because I
didn't have to like what this guy or this girl liked,
but we all were there for the same reason to
get a la from bullshit and have fun.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
And that's that's really all that matters.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
When you have that at lace like that, you can
go to take a sanctuary almost like it's nothing else matters.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
And for the most part, the the attendees and the
bands police themselves incredibly. How many stories do you see
coming out about something happening in a metal show and
the band stopping the show to help somebody, or or
the crowd taking out that asshole that should have kept

(38:20):
his mouth shut the whole time, stuff like that. But
I mean, I've seen some of this shows and it's
it's always been. It's it's one of the most looked
down upon scenes societally because it is all the metal
and all the people that are against against the norms
or whatever you want to call it. But there's some

(38:41):
of it's some of the coolest places to just go
and hang out. The people are some of the nicest
and most accepting I've ever been around, and the whole
scene in general is just.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
For the most part, I mean, you're gonna have had
your assholes, but like to get people like in my
spirits outlaying that because there's so many a lot of
times when one person is it to you, they're like, no,
I mean, no, I ain't doing that. You have no change.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So the National Library of uh gimmun a second, we
find this source, the National Library of Ing it go
up this whole really long article. National Library of Madison
did a study back in UH twenty fifteen where they
looked at specifically how heavy music affects the mental health.

(39:38):
And one of the things that they that they gleaned
from it was, you know, music ranging from heavy metal, punk, hardcore,
and metal core listened to that they were fifty percent
when individuals confirmed their participation, they were asked to bring
along with them personal listening, and they found potential benefits

(40:03):
that it's actually like better for your mental health to
kind of have it. And I think when you think
about heavy music, it is almost kind of the equivalent
of horror movies, right, Like Wes Craven has this great
quote that says, you know, horror movie is basically a
ninety minute controlled experiment where somebody can face their fears

(40:28):
in a controlled environment and learn to actually overcome them.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
And you know, for.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Most of the bands that I listened to three minutes,
most of the bands that Mark listens to seventeen hours.
You know, it allows you to have that same exact
control kind of environment for your for yourself, you know,
it helps to remind you that you're not alone. I

(40:56):
think that's what we see throughout the course of these
this black metal documentary is that for better for worse,
for whatever the quality of the film is, and whether
you like or you hate it, Like, that's the one
thing I think you could possibly say about it is
that it does capture this communal aspect that comes with

(41:17):
music and mental health and the impact that art can
actually have as an outlet for therapeutic reasons and healing.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well. I don't know if it was the same study,
but they I saw one that was talking about people
that the actual subject matter of a lot of heavy
metal is dealing with more of the darker side of humanity,
and those people that listen to it more regularly and
participate have a seem to be better equipped with dealing

(41:46):
with that in real life aspects. And a lot of
the same stuff has been found in a study of
people that watch horror movies on the regular.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
As somebody that watches horror movies regularly and listens to
heavy metal that deals with a lot of depression, uncertainty, isolation, loneliness,
you know, and I can I feel like I am
living proof of that, Like if I have talked about

(42:19):
it before that like I have had several thoughts in
my life where I didn't want to be alive anymore.
And it was one of the very first attempts that
I ever thought about. It was because of music that
actually pulled me through and put me down here. And
it was Under Oath to Find the Great Line the
album that did that, And it's part of the reason

(42:41):
why that that album means so much to me.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You were going to be like Britney Spears saved my life.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I thought, and Josh have different favorite under albums. Both
we can relate that you have to save my life too. Yeah,
it's just the growth of this here.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah. I think one of the other things that I
found really interesting about this documentary is, uh, the lasting
impacts of the indoctrination process and mental health and that
kind of lasting approach, so to say, Whereas a lot
of the early formation I don't know if it if

(43:31):
it spread over in Norway, but here in America right
around the birth of the eighties, uh black metal movement
was the Satanic Panic and so uh, you know, you
had a lot of yeah, you had a lot of
uncertainty and stuff like that, and so I I don't

(43:55):
know if that has anything to help, but it seems
like they there was definitely like an upright and a
lot of a lot of like Catholicism and like Christian
like Turner Burn type of things. Were like, honestly, the
more you tell kids not to do something, the.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
More they're to do. I mean, right around that time,
we had the Big Four come to rise, Megadeth, Metallica,
Anthrax and I'm having a break Foard on the floor. Uh, Slayer, Yeah,
what are the best one? What? Slayer? Yeah? I think
I've seen them twice. I don't know, but uh, that's

(44:36):
what was coming around in the States was basically thrash
and Slayer kind of adopted to an extent that Satanic image, uh,
and imagery more so than the other three. But with
with black metal, they talk about that they weren't Satanic,

(44:57):
but then they were doing stuff to kind of contradict
and try to stamp out Christianity.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Well, so they like something like that. Ever, in Europe
its way different in here.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Like one of my favorite metal bands that grew up
one is Heaven Suburb from Germany.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah, and people used to say that that was just
a sat name.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
No, that name was in reference to their government and
so like things are like like burning a church over
in morel Layer Steed and the River might be more
of a different, more of a like see to the
man than it would be here. This is so funny
how it's so different here.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah it is. But again, like Josh and a lot
of it, just because I listened to black Metal doesn't
mean I agree with all of their viewpoints and all
of their beliefs. But you hear Vargue in prison talking
about how he essentially Christianity and hated Americanism kind of

(46:04):
taking over everything, and he believed in Thor and Freya
and everybody could believe in them, that Christianity was stomping
out their essential existence and that's what he was pushing against.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Which I think the church burning aspect of this, I
think it serves as this great human understanding that you
can only push a certain group of people before they're
going to eventually push back. The more extreme the push is,
the more the extreme response is going to be. And
so I definitely do not agree with the whole church

(46:42):
burning thing. But you know, when you look at the
history of where Norway was at that time, and very
specifically how heavy Catholicism was pushed in that type of environment,
it seems like, you know, it seems like this logical
choice to kind of balance the scales for as fucked

(47:04):
up as it sends, it's like, hey, like, what's gonna
be the biggest thing. It's gonna send a message here
is they're gonna burn this church down, and there's gonna
be this great mystery and this great lore around who
did it? Because like, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark,
since you've seen this documentary eighteen times.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I like how the number changes each time.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Since you've seen this movie four hundred and fifteen times,
you might be able to answer this to since you've
seen it multiple times. They don't correct me if I'm rock,
but they don't remember that. They're like they don't have
a acknowledgment of who is doing it at first, and

(47:47):
it's like somebody eventually ends up like owning up to
it because it's like the punk rock thing to do, right, So, no.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
They knew who did it. Varg did an interview with
the pay saying he knew who did it. This is okay,
let me rephrase this. If you go by varg story,
He states that he knew who did it to the newspaper,
and the newspaper turned it into him, saying that he
did it and that's yeah. So again you're going by

(48:20):
his interview of the events, but there were some of
that original kind of group of people more than just mayhem,
but some of them that were involved that ended up
going to prison for various things, and some of them
were for church burnings, and the church burnings actually spread.
They worked down quite a few churches, but the one

(48:43):
that was kind of that he was talking about specifically
had been there for centuries. It was a centuries old
Viking church and from a historical aspect, from an architectural aspect,
that thing was amazing. If you've ever seen pictures of it.

(49:03):
They have rebuilt it since, but the fact that it's
not the same church, it's a reproduction, it just doesn't
seem to have the same field. But that was that
was part of why it was perked down. It was
because it was such an old church.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Again, try to send the most extreme response possible. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, So I have a question for Billy, because Reilly
has kid of the Less.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
He said less to say us, I'm not huge and metal.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
If you walked in one of your kids rooms and
they had this documentary, how would you react?

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Eighty black Metal engine, would you let your kids listen
to black.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I I've always been to the belief of letting my
kids listen to whatever they feel is comfortable. And the
way I raised my boys is especially with everything we
went through, and Josh can attest to this that it's
always open for conversation. If they want to come talk
to me, they can talk. They can come talk to me.

(50:11):
We joked around all the time. He's watched how we
joke and then he's watched me flip on them a
serious All right, I'm not joking right now?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
What is going on?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
So I'm the type of I think each person should
be able to be themselves or you know, make their
own choices. If I don't agree with the choices, I'll
be like, look, I don't think but something like this,
I wouldn't be hey, no, it would more of a
are you okay?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
So the appropriate response, yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Is there something else going on? Oh? You just like it? Fine,
that's cool. If it's more than that, you need to
come talk to me. But yeah, I mean I've always
been that way, and I listen to all kinds of stuff.
I've just not really been into black metal. That's what
do you where are the bands you like?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
And I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Well, I mean not black metal, but I mean I
can go from and I'm just gonna name bands. I'm
not breaking down to what they are. I can go
from like Pearl Jam to Metallica to System of the
down to whatever. I mean, I can listen to all those.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Then I turn around and I also go to rock, wrap, country, whatever,
And it just depends on what mood one.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
I mean, Carpenter fans, so go.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Check out our episode on y two K where uh
Billy talked about.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
That I don't know why we won't.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
We watched it together and when when the scene came
up with the hat, she was like, it's like I'm tearing.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
She was like green and why, I'm like, you don't understand, Megan,
you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
That as we bring up that movie, we happen to
know that movie's Max.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Right now, you don't have Max.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I'll talk to you later. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
I mean, I came from a very super southern Baptist family.
So like every album I tried to get up to
a certain point, my parents, my family had to approve
of and they would go through it because back back
then you could go and listen to the albums in

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the store before you buy it.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
You could.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
My parents would always they want to go with me,
so I ended up having to start like waiting till
my brother would leave and take his albums so I
could listen to his CDs. And it wasn't until I
was probably mid late teens before they finally just kind
of gave up because it wasn't working well.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
See, I mean even to this day, like I went
to the Disturbed concert and my brother in laws.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
That's likely.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm not saying hold hold on, let me finish, though,
it's I'm going back to what you were saying about
your parents, not the band itself. My parents were all
country music and all this other stuff. So if you
listen to anything else, you're like, why are you listening
to that?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
What?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That doesn't make sense or whatever? That that's not music.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And so like I had, I had a hard time
getting Metallica's Black album because there was a song called
the God that Failed.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, I I Yeah, I grew up. I'm like the
only person. I joke around with my sister all the
time saying that I'm most certainly the black sheep of
our family because I am the only person that likes
heavy metal and black uh horror movies and uh you know,

(54:05):
so it's kind of like I was was gonna get
ready to say death metal, but black metals started to
come out, so uh for clarification, for clarification, but I
I love like heavy music, and like when I first
started getting into it, my my parents were like also
super conservative and so like I had to go to
them and be like, it's just this Christian music. Like

(54:27):
they're like, now it's not like, ah no, it's look
at Reader to Weep, here's all the here's all the
Bible verses that are incorporated into the song. Then they
ate their words.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So I will say in Pending Do it was a
fairly solid.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Christian They are very good, very good put out that.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
You were visiting and I started playing them one day
in the car when we were going to get food,
and you were like, I didn't expect you to be
listening to this. Good metal is good metal. I don't
care who or who does it.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Like it's like me and Josh Grub like they're in
the same scene in two thousand. It's like a lot
of the bands we like, we're Christian. There's a lot
of secular bands. They all played together because they didn't care,
because they were good.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
It was good music.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Now you get there's a separation, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
It's a huge separation. Shout out your craft together anyway.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So what we're talking about, So there is a question
that I had. There's two questions I had in this
documentary that mark You're the expert here, so I'm gonna
ask you. So my first question is, uh, it's completely random.
There's a scene in this movie that just has a
random ass tap dancing scene. Please explain this.

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Speaker 8 (56:44):
Does it seem like when they're like first like to
the artists and we're kind of getting to see like
the making of and it's just it's a guy that's
literally just tap dancing for like three minutes, and I'm like,
why is this for Youvie?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Talking about the one with the guy that's got the
mask on with the like yellow hair or green hair
or whatever. Maybe around the exhibit.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I thought he was a little bit more dressed up
than that.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Maybe, Well, if it's the same what I'm thinking of,
they were talking about people doing performances with death metal inspiration,
and it was kind of weird, like it was It's
one of those scenes that it's like, what that's kind
of weird? Of all the things that's weird in this movie,

(57:30):
that would be it?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
All right? So I'm gonna open this next question up
to Brandon also just because the guys probably also have
enough knowledge to answer so there's a there's a part
in this movie where kind of explain that like the
black metal community doesn't really like the death metal community
and or like has problems from them. Like is that

(57:54):
a thing that like is just like an unspoken thing
that you either have to be a black metal fan
or a guess metal fan.

Speaker 9 (58:01):
I haven't experienced that here because we do have like
a lot of we do have some local black metal
bands throughout the last twenty years of the scene, and
I've never really experienced that.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
But like I'm in the south of the Battle Belt.

Speaker 10 (58:17):
I don't know, I really can't speak to that because
I've always known people like so, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
It's so it's more of the original death metal guys
like Venom and Death and Bathory and some of the
original ones that they talk about, Like if you've seen
any interviews with what's his name, Chris Barnes, is that
his name?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
He was the original singer for like Cannibal Corps Death
or something like that. He like hates everything that's not
death metal, even things that are death metal, but he's
such a tool. But there was kind of I don't
know why there was a division there exactly but that's

(59:08):
that's where it comes from. Is the original black metal
guys and the original death metal guys.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
And then he's not at all corps grinder.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
He's super cool, dude jo. He's an expert at grabber
plushy machines and takes all of it and donates it
to children with cancer.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
To turn billion jelling on the Josh. He's a localist
Panical Corps. Now well he's made as.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
For a while now, but he's.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
He goes around him is what go around the caller scenes,
and he wins a crap time and donates in like
children's hospitals and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Notice this guy a couple of different times. He is
so nice and.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Then he turned Then he turns around and sings about
blood shooting out of his cor Yeah, amazing guy, really
well rounded, cocks things about pleading Dix.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So so I always try to pick something random out
of whatever we watch. I don't know if you figured
that out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
There was a lot of random.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
There's one thing that I caught that it's not really random,
but something that caught me off guard. I didn't realize
in norway that it's like the max sentence was twenty
one years. Yeah, build that body, their whole.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Well, their their prison system is a lot different too.
Like you saw his prison room when they were interviewing Bark.
He was in his prison room. They actually worked towards
reform instead of like we have stick them in there
and just keep sending them back for whatever reasons.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
If you want to know how fucked up our prison
system is, this is a complete plug. Go check out
the Thirteenth Amendment on Netflix, super heartbreaking documentary if you
want to know about the prisons system here in America,
because it should be it should be working towards reformation,
It should be work, working towards rehabilitating people back in society.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
A lot of money, yeah, money and politics, Yeah, a
lot of them are.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I think they're private, private organizations that own them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yes. I so there. There's one thing that I wanted
to I think there's a really profound quote in here,
and I don't actually know who says it, but it's
one of the guys from I'm saying that right, was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Just Bark originally.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Okay, so, but he talks about how in order to
prepare the new, you need to destroy the old first.
I think that's such a profound way of looking kind
of at really the process for mental health healing that
you know, you essentially have to kind of destroy the toxic,

(01:02:12):
destroy the darkness that exists within you in order to
kind of give a foundation to the light, a foundation
to what can kind of come next and your healing journey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah, you almost have to do the hardest thing, which
is self reflection and self nalization. If you can't determine
what your issue are and see the issues, there's no
way you can fix yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
It's the mess up part of living. It's like you're
you're kind of forced to have this look inward and
it really is uncomfortable, more uncomfortable than the tap dancing
in this movie, but it is well worth it in
the end.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
This movie, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
As much as Mark has been picking on Josh about
not liking this movie, I will point out Mark's own
daughter didn't like this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Oh wait, she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You you're the one that told us that she didn't
like it. She must have the same taste as Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Oh No, that wasn't this movie. That was something else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Oh well, we were asking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Still.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
It was the TV glos.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I saw the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
One of her favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I was thinking of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It really wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
As the as the TV Glows is one of her
favorite movies, and I was like, this is boring.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I saw the TV glow whatever, I saw the TV
glow whatever until something not dark prisons us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Light takes this or whatever whatever whatever the light to
take me. I was watching this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
All right, all right, all right, So so in our
in our group chat Mark asked this question, and I
think we'll show our hands now that we're wrapping up
this episode. Just like zero Mark Mark Mark gave this
movie a four point twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Have you seen Ansmart?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
All right, what would you guys with the rest of
you guys, what would you wear with this land? For
you guys on the rorshack ratings goal? Just curiosity?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, really, I'll be generous. I'll give it a one. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:04:46):
Okay, So we have a lot of respect for black Metal,
and I've always grow up thinking like it was cool
and it was you know, it had monumentual effects on things.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
And I've seen a few lat and it's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
The respect, I'll do it one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
There are things about this movie that I will respect that.
I end up finding finding myself respecting this movie a
little bit more during our conversation where it's like the
shitty production quality. Oh, it's reflecting the mindset of of
black metal, the randomness, but the boringness. It's a reflection
of the genre. It's fine, it's a one. It's a

(01:05:29):
one out of five, so I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
And then again, then again, Josh likes the movie about
a broken coffee table.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Hey, leave coffee table from coffee table.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I hated that Mark in the world. You're one of
the few that hates that movie in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Okay, Sinners.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Like Mark's exact words, where it was okay, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
No, it was my only My only issue with the
movie was I understood what they were trying to do
with the music, but to me it distribue was a
distraction where they instead of just sticking with the blues
of the time period, they started playing like rap and
jazz and stuff through a couple scenes, and to me,
it was a little bit of a distraction. That was

(01:06:26):
my only issue with Centers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
To simplify it was okay, all right, well I think
that's going to do it for us. On this episode
of bits gazing. But that's you guys. If you guys
are interested in black metal, I do recommend checking this
movie out, or any of the documentaries that Brandon recommend it.

(01:06:47):
Or if you guys are just looking for something to
kill two hours with, checkout Words of Chaos, but or
any black metal bands on Spotify. Mark. If people are
listening to this right now and want to check out
more black metal bands, what are the three artists or
three albums you would recommend them checking out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
That's kind of I listened to more modern black metal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
This is talking about the origin. So give us something groundbreaking.
Damn it here, I'll give you. I'll give you one.
A Blaze in the Sky by Dark Throne. It was
the big one that hit hit this entire thing off.
You got two more go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Minion from Cradle Felt was really good, Oh was it?
Death Cult Armageddon from Demu is really good. That's got
projects in the Great Apocalypse, which really kind of put
a big spotlight on on melodic, symphonic black metal. If

(01:07:58):
you go regular just straight black metal, Nago Far has
some really good stuff. It's more Viking based content and
uh as much of an asshole as he is a
bath and his work that he did with the Moral

(01:08:18):
and his Side and his own self titled project was
really good too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
And just that I mentioned that the spirit but I
always can sound like what the heck get relations if
you already curious about that? By Beth Heaven in the
light of September by in autumn for Cripple Children.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
I saw, I got to see the dev Haveavid live
they opened for I think it was Whitechapel when I
saw that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And I will give you the heaviest metal album of
all to recommend one more time by Britney Spears.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
I mean Sabrina caf.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
It's anticipated for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
So let's go just from a curiosity standpoint or music
music history standpoint, it's kind of worth just listening to
the original Mayhemond Burson stuff. It's not for everybody. It's
depending on your taste. It's either great or it's horrible.
I don't think there's anybody in the middle that's like, hey,

(01:09:28):
it was okay. It's either love it or hated like
a lot of some of that awful Wall Metal is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Well, much like this movie. You either loved it like
Mark or you hated it like the rest of us.
But next week we're gonna be jumping back into the
summer of year Train takes us back into Final Destination
with one of my favorite intries into the series, Final
Destination three Were Gone be joined by the filmmakers of
the movie Health Squad two, part of our horrifect Hope series.

(01:10:01):
Tickets are now on sale for that as well. We're
videlinks in the show notes below. But Mark where people
find you online?

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
And not very much right now?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
That is very true. Mark may or may not be
coming to the show sooner than then later, we don't know,
but you can check them out on past episodes of
Biscazing wherever you guys get podcasts from Brandon.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I'm coming back. I just I had a lot of
personal stuff I had to get taken care of, and
just it was just too much to deal with everything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
And this code on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Either way, we we on the rights to you when
you do come back, so they'll find you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
What if?

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
What if?

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I'm like to hear, I don't want to leave ship.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
We get there right So, Brandon, where can people find
you online?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
And care?

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Good writing this letter box? I use that more than
anything now, Miller, you can find me in Instagram. I
don't actually remember my youser name, Brandon wie Miller.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I'll changed your.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Well keeping on that Letterbox train, Yeah Billy working with Yeah.
Go ahead and give a Brandon Billy a follow if
you guys haven't done so. I am also on Letterbox.
That is the only social media I have. It's Captain
Nostalgia over there as well. You guys can find us

(01:11:30):
again every Wednesday at six pm Eastern Standard time. You
guys can get brand new episodes. So until next time. Remember,
the longer that you gaze into the abyss, the more
the abyss gazes back into you.

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