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Protegerse de la soledad
Se ha descrito al alcoholismo como “la enfermedad solitaria” y muy pocos alcohólicos recuperados disputarían esta descripción. Al reflexionar sobre los últimos meses de nuestras vidas de bebedores, centenares de miles de nosotros nos acordamos de habernos sentido aislados aun cuando nos encontrábamos entre una multitud de gente festiva. Solíamos tener una sensación de no pertenecer, aun cuando nos comportábamos de una forma alegremente sociable. Muchos de nosotros hemos dicho que al principio bebíamos para “ser parte del grupo”. Muchos creíamos que teníamos que beber para “encajar” y sentirnos integrados en la raza humana. Es un hecho patente que el uso principal que hacíamos del alcohol era egocéntrico; es decir, lo vertíamos en nuestros propios cuerpos por el efecto que nos producía dentro de nosotros mismos. A veces ese efecto nos ayudaba a comportarnos socialmente de forma apropiada por un corto tiempo, o servía para aliviar temporalmente nuestra soledad.
Pero al pasarse el efecto, nos sentíamos aún más solos, más aislados, más “diferentes”, y tristes que nunca.
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Protegerse de la soledad
Se ha descrito al alcoholismo como “la enfermedad solitaria” y muy pocos alcohólicos recuperados disputarían esta descripción. Al reflexionar sobre los últimos meses de nuestras vidas de bebedores, centenares de miles de nosotros nos acordamos de habernos sentido aislados aun cuando nos encontrábamos entre una multitud de gente festiva. Solíamos tener una sensación de no pertenecer, aun cuando nos comportábamos de una forma alegremente sociable. Muchos de nosotros hemos dicho que al principio bebíamos para “ser parte del grupo”. Muchos creíamos que teníamos que beber para “encajar” y sentirnos integrados en la raza humana. Es un hecho patente que el uso principal que hacíamos del alcohol era egocéntrico; es decir, lo vertíamos en nuestros propios cuerpos por el efecto que nos producía dentro de nosotros mismos. A veces ese efecto nos ayudaba a comportarnos socialmente de forma apropiada por un corto tiempo, o servía para aliviar temporalmente nuestra soledad.
Pero al pasarse el efecto, nos sentíamos aún más solos, más aislados, más “diferentes”, y tristes que nunca.
La información compartida en este podcast es solo para fines informativos y no intenta ser un sustituto a los consejos, diagnósticos o tratamientos médicos de ningún tipo. Por lo tanto, por favor consulta a tu médico o a otro profesional de salud si es que tienes alguna duda sobre tu estado de salud o de el como tratar tu adicción.
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Remember that the information shared in thispodcast is for informational purposes only and does
not attempt to be a substitute fordiagnostic advice or medical treatment of any kind.
Therefore, please consult your doctor withanother health care professional, if you
have any questions about your state ofhealth or how to treat your addiction.
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Welcome. Again, this is anew episode. Episode number one hundred and
sixty- seven good- bye addiction, which is being recorded on Sunday March
10th of the year two thousand twenty- four. As I always thank you
very much for giving me the opportunityto be with you today, hoping to
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spend a good time with you andto talk about something that can entertain you
for the next few minutes, alwayswishing that that information that is shared here
you can also take and do thebest, the best you can with her
comes out today I will be talkingto you about two electronic cros, in
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fact, and I will have tomodify my plan, since I had planned
to bring you also as part oftoday' s episode, a kind of
study and also related information to understandthe alcohol disorder or how we usually say
alcoholism. Some questions, nine questionsthat will help us understand in what range,
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in which part of the spectrum weare. But we' re going
to leave it for the next episodethat I can record and I' m
telling you right now mainly because yesterdayI submitted to a study of my eyes
and they put a few drops thatstill give me some difficulty reading. I
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wanted to wait as long as Icould, but I really don' t
see that that' s getting anybetter. Then I ask you, please,
give me a chance to talk aboutunderstanding alcohol consumption disorder in two weeks,
because also an announcement that I wantto make next week. The episode
that is being recorded rather is alreadyrecorded is an interview, an interview with
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Manuel, that he is giving usthe opportunity to know the mind, to
know what happens before, during andafter a relapse And if you don'
t remember who Manuel is and withoutany case, you want to know him
before listening to that episode that wasrecorded and that will be published in the
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following week, in March seventeen ofthe two thousand twenty- four. Then
I suggest you find him, becausehe' s number one hundred and fifty
- one called an interview. Icouldn' t let you consume crack and
if you want me to repeat you, I remember a little bit about what
was at least the entrance. Thisis what we talked about a few months
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ago. Already, in September ofthe two thousand and twenty- three goodbye
addiction episode number one hundred and fifty- one and at least agreement went well.
Gacho saw me completely defeated in frontof the crack that is where I
no longer kept money or to putgasoline in my car, where I no
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longer had, suddenly, nor moneyto buy me some cigars, and I
for the fact that I did notcome to my house to listen to my
husband' s claims. I oftenpreferred to sleep and get high there alone.
And when I was there, Isaid it wasn' t there anymore,
I' m not going to usedrugs again, ever again, with
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tears in my eyes. I saidit. I really felt that I wanted
to stop now, I didn't want any more, and you know
what was the biggest gacho of allthat that same day I went out I
used again and you know that suddenlyI turn to the door and my mom
was looking well high and with tearsin her eyes she begged me to please
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stop getting high and not being ableto, not be able to. Okay.
Then I ask you, please,if you are interested in knowing what
this continuation is, where we talkabout the relapse that Manuel suffered a few
weeks ago, after practically two yearsof living in absolute sobriety. I'
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m asking you, please, thenreturn to the next episode. It will
be the number one hundred and sixty- eight that will be published on the
17th of March of the year twothousand and twenty- four. Well,
in three weeks I' m gonnabe posting an episode again on YouTube.
I still don' t know ifI' m gonna do it live,
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but it' s gonna be therepublished. In that video I' m
going to be talking to you andmaybe help you do the almost alcoholic exercise,
too. Remember that the videos arenot and will not be published in
audio, so I suggest you goto YouTube if you are not subscribed.
So do you. Let' stalk about what the almost alcoholic is and
what are the examples that, infact, is going to tie up the
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continuation of that is going to bethe audio episode that I' m talking
about then about the abuse disorder,because let' s see what part of
the spectrum we' re in.It' s good, there it is
then. This is way longer thanI had thought. And so now to
continue straight ahead, because the truth, I also want to ask you that
if you want to contact me,do it to the email Gregory Arroba addiction
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goodbye com and there we will gladlybe in communication, because these two people
who have kindly lent themselves to sendme the information that I want to share
with you today, along with theanswers that have been given in Spotify they
contacted me through email and here theyare and you will understand also part of
why they have done it. Rememberthen that participation in Spotify is also important.
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I' m going back to thepodcast part at the end, where
I was sharing with you the answersthat you kindly do me the honor of
sending me and now again there hasbeen participation or the question I asked last
week. Last week the question wasleft meeting. What event in your life
has left you marked and may haveinfluenced your current way of being. You
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' ll find out if you haven' t seen him in Spotify. There
are some answers that I want toshare and, as you know, I
always dress them up a little bitwith what I think or what I too
have had to live up to thisweek' s question. I' ll
let you know if you don't see her there, give me a
chance to wait for me to changeher, but it' s going to
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be related to your definition of analcoholic. Your definition I saw as an
alcoholic. I don' t wantyou to go to the book. I
don' t want you to goto a dictionary definition or something that'
s necessarily good. If it's your spiritual thing, maybe you want
to wrap me around something like that. But I want you to tell me
if I ask you right now toprepare for the episode next week. Cro
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would be excellent for two weeks,sorry. It would be great to have
those answers, because it will giveme the opportunity to understand precisely where,
what we mean by being an alcoholic. So and I was wondering today in
the morning when I was going outI would walk my dog and say well,
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if someone asked me a few yearsago, what was alcohol, what
was alcohol before I knew, sogoodbye addiction to the things I' ve
seen and said etcetera, I wouldthink that an alcoholic my visceral definition.
So the first thing that would cometo mind would be a person who gets
drunk every day and can' tstop and who has to do it every
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day in order to survive. Thatwould be for me as if my definition
were short. I also don't want you to go well, if
you want to do it also useall the characters that Spotify gives you the
chance, but if not, alsoremember that the mail there, if there
are no limits. But for methat' s what I' d come
to mind, and I want toask you what comes to mind. Don
' t look too hard on yourselffor what comes to mind. If we
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all agree that the same thing,then it will be so then it comes
out. Please check out the Spotifyquestion of today' s week and hopefully
you can leave me the comment andat some point listen to this episode already
in the future where the answers havealready been locked by Spotify. Don'
t hesitate to send a correlectronic toGregory Arroba to God addiction, com because
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I always read them and as youwill realize today I will be then,
already, after all this introduction solong, I want to talk about an
email Oscar has sent me. Oscaryou know that he has already participated in
an interview, He has participated onmany occasions with texts that he shares with
us of anonymous alcoholics and also withother comments, with the comments that he
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has sent me to the electronic corhelping me to generate content, as I
have requested before. Then the truth. I thank Oscar and Daniel very much.
Daniel, b he also sent mean e- mail and expressly gave
me permission to share it with youand I think it may be interesting for
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you too I insist I was goingto complement them with the other episode,
but now. In fact, I' ve already started tearing my eyes,
because I' m already reading what' s on the screen. It costs
me a little bit of work.Then I' m going to put this
email on alert and later to thebest development a little more comes out Thank
you for the opportunity that you're giving me ten minutes to get to
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that. I hope there isn't. I' m so bored,
but let' s go in withwhat oscar. He mailed me and says
he' s protecting himself from loneliness. Alcoholism has been described as solitary disease,
and very few recovered alcoholics would disputethis description. As we reflected on
the last months of our lives,of drinkers hundreds of thousands of us remembered
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to have felt isolated even when wewere among the multitude of festive people.
We used to have a feeling ofnot belonging even when we behaved in a
cheerfully sociable way. Many of ushave said that at first we drank to
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be part of the group. Manyof us believed that we had to drink
to fit in and feel integrated intothe human race. It is a clear
fact that the main use we madeof alcohol was self- centered, that
is, we poured it into ourown bodies because of the effect it had
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on us within ourselves. Sometimes thateffect helped us to behave socially properly for
a short time, or served totemporarily relieve our loneliness. But as the
effect passed we felt even more lonely, more isolated, more different and sad
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than ever to this then part ofthe mail Oscar sent me. I hope
I' m not in error.Oscar correct me or someone from alcoholic names
who corrects me. But I findthis to have read in an alcoholic publication,
whether in the Big Book or inthe Blue Book, as you tell
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him, please tell me if anyoneknows if this comes there, that and
if it comes there, as youmay notice. I am, in fact,
re- reading the book of anonymousalcoholics. And there are always things
that the truth. Every time Igrab the book, I feel like I
' m missing a big message fornot following it to the end. Then
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I' ll get into the partat the time maybe share a little more
of what I' ve learned,but these are very important lessons that are
worth a lot. If you havethe opportunity to buy the book of anonymous
alcoholics, please do so, youcan find it in any e- book
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store or on the website of anonymousalcoholics. You can also buy the pdf,
download it and read it wherever youlike. You won' t know
how you find him or go toan anonymous alcoholic meeting. That' s
also a very good way. Maybeyou' ll stay there for a while
too, like Daniel and Ahorita did, you' ll realize why I'
m telling you. But being atthe meetings, I think I' d
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say I have one in a physicalway. I have a book, a
book that someone gave me the firsttime I went now in the last group
I attended in person. But,but, but not just did I also
make a digital copy to do it. For me, from my point of
view, a little easier, notbecause it is lighter to load. Anyway,
Daniel, who I got good at, he got in touch with me.
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Obviously, I, as I promiseyou, answer most of the emails
and I' m saying this tomyself most because I can' t say
all of them. I wouldn't have a face for the person who
' s listening to me right nowand I haven' t answered him for
whatever reason I' m sorry,but I' m trying, I'
m trying to answer everyone, whethersomething might have happened to me, which
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I think I did, but maybeone stayed there. I came down and
didn' t see him anymore butin the vast majority my goal is to
respond to each and every one ofyou who make me reach a corlectronic.
So, Daniel, he got intouch with me for a while and he
listened in part to the announcement Imade a while ago to him comments on
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two hundred episodes in his text.I don' t remember if I said
200. What I do remember isthat I said one hundred and eighty and
explained a while ago also what myintention was of those one hundred and eighty,
which was what I was looking forwhen I got to that number,
and gave you an explanation that atthat time, when I explained it to
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you, made me completely felt.I meant to think that when I reached
180 episodes it was in a non- literal way, but rather metaphorically speaking,
I had taken a turn of 180degrees, that is, of having
the addiction in front of him tobe able to turn his back, turn
one hundred eighty degrees and where bythen the addiction was going to be in
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my past, I was going togo any step I walked, it was
going to be to separate myself fromthe addiction because I am turning my back.
Not then I continue forward. Itmeans that addiction is left behind and
not necessarily persecuting me that that wouldalready be another topic of discussion, but
that was my intention a few monthsago. I' m honest with you.
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I' ve had at least threeor four times where I closed the
podcast or. Semi closed the podcastor announcing that rest that may have been
indefinite. I have always reached peakswhere I am very excited, very focused,
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very excited. Also on occasions whynot say come and share with you
every day that you can right now, you can say that it is one
of those peaks that is when Irestart again that I am very focused,
that I keep going into that cycleof learning more, of wanting to do
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more than even right now, forexample, about the YouTube video, that,
although they are already practical five thousandsubscribers, there, see that it
can reach more people and that morepeople can be benefited. So, right
now, I' m living thatpeak of coming with you every week,
video, audio, etcetera. Ifthat cycle is followed as regularly as it
has done, after four or fiveor six months, maybe now it'
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s my turn to be at thebottom of the valley, where it'
s hard to get the motivation,where I see that, maybe, what
I' m doing doesn' thave as much impact or not what I
want, not the attraction, alsothat I want, etcetera. So what
left me the previous experience of sayingthat reaching the one hundred and eighty episodes,
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I think I gave you more orless a key out there. Now
that I started again that I said, unless something extraordinary happened, it'
s quite possible that I don't stop in the 180' s and
much of not stopping in the 180' s are comments, they' re
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e- mails, like the oneDaniel wrote to me. I' d
lie to you if I told youthat my decision wasn' t made before
half of Daniel' s mail arrivedI' d already made that decision that
I hope to continue living at thepeak as much as possible and that that
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time it takes to get to thebottom of the valley can be extended as
far as I can. And Iknow that with your help, with your
participation, with your constant communication,that can be extended to a large extent.
I wish, and it could becompletely avoided. But sometimes our emotions,
our feelings, our day- to- day, because they put us
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in places where sometimes it' shard to get out at least if we
don' t give ourselves time,then I don' t promise that I
won' t pass through my mindanother idea like that of the 180 degrees.
What I do promise is to doeverything in my power to be able
to handle it in a way thatcan still give hope to others, to
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those who have already started or thosewho are about to start their way to
recovery salt Then we will see howthings are going. That' s episode
one hundred and sixty- seven.I already announced the episode one hundred and
sixty- eight with Manuel, Ialready have the plan for the one hundred
and sixty- nine, etcetera.So, hopefully and you can, you
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can, hopefully, you can continueto generate that inertia and continue it.
But yeah, I need a lotof you and I' m sorry it
got to the same thing. Iwas thinking about not doing it, but
I have to say it because it' s an important part of all of
us staying focused. So, goingon with what Daniel has written to me,
it' s this. I've wanted to write you this e
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- mail for a while. Thisneed comes first from thanking you for your
podcast. Your podcast changed my lifeand for that I will always be eternally
grateful. With you. Like you, at first I self- diagnosed myself
as a person who abuses alcohol.Denying my alcoholism and addiction. Alcohol led
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me to do things, seeking self- destruction and somehow a slow death.
I had to go through episodes torealize I didn' t want it for
the rest of my life. Andthat' s how I started the road
looking for help. A few yearsago. I went to a double-
to- face group where I hada really bad time and from that I
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realized it wasn' t for me. From there, I continued in auto
consumption, destroying myself more every dayuntil I no longer endured it. I
became aware and that' s whereI start looking and I come with you.
Finding you. I' ve startedsince the episode of the first Sep
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of two thousand and twenty- three. The podcast wraps me up helps me,
but I' m still in consumption. That' s when I find
an episode that changes my life.The interviewee makes me feel a bridge of
understanding and in your episode notes youleave his phone. I decide to contact
him and accept the invitation to joinhis virtual double group. It has been
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about 120 days since that moment whenmy life made a radical change. For
the better, of course, I' ve discovered things that have never been
through my head. I' vebeen getting my family back, but above
all, a knowledge of me thatdidn' t exist. This is for
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leading a life more than twenty-five years of consumption. Today I live
my life alone by today implementing theprogram of the twelve steps in all two
aspects of my life. It wasn' t easy, but it wasn'
t impossible either. If you startto see that the double a program is
for life, it looks almost impossible, very difficult, but it takes easy
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turns, because today is this email. I write it to you with all
my love, but above all respectfor the goal of convincing you to continue
with your podcast. You mentioned thatyou' ll end up in the 200th
episode, but I want to pointout and tell you that, directly and
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indirectly, you' ve saved hundreds, maybe thousands of people for your podcast.
Hopefully, this will help you sizeup that the higher power put you
here to help us, to helpmany. And hopefully, you' ll
change your mind because you' recarrying a message, an action and,
above all, and most difficult,you created a community. Thank you so
much, Gregory. I hope youtake that into account. The way to
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ensure continuity is for each of usto contribute our experiences. As you say,
we don' t know when thiscan save someone. I offer you
my friendship under a very simple code, the four six, which includes communication,
congruence, trust and coexistence. Thankyou again for taking action, that
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action that helps thousands, but aboveall, that action you took changed my
life, thanks to You, Danieland people like you. No doubt,
and I' m not saying thatso that my ego gets inflamed, let
alone. This goes beyond that.This teaches me and obviously tells me that
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it is worth it sometimes to feellike I feel the time I spend on
it or the desire I put onit, the good or bad consequences,
sometimes to be a hard- coreand try to come and record whenever I
can, sometimes morning or sometimes unveiledso that I can constantly publish what has
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been a goal of life. Soby people like Daniel, who have found
a benefit over almost six years thatthe podcast began to be published. It
is what keeps me very much stillconnected goodbye addiction as podcast, but also
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as a solution to my own problem. So, thank you very much,
Daniel, and thank you very muchto all those who have come into contact
over the course of the six years, special mention for those who put themselves
in and I do not say thatit is more or less, special attention
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to all who have come into contactin recent months asking how he was,
especially because it is evident that hewho suffers from or has suffered from the
same problem. It' s verylogical to think that if someone disappears it
' s because they' re goingthrough a complicated moment. Fortunately, I
can tell you that those months ofabsence were not necessarily complicated, although there
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were some storms I had to gothrough. However, I am here,
standing and moving forward next week.I want to talk to you about the
order I was going to follow.I am a sincere understanding of the alcohol
disorder and what it is That is, obviously, what is known today as
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forgiveness. What is already known inthe past is what was known in the
past as alcoholism. I have explainedto you on several occasions my lack of
affinity with that word. However,I understand that on many occasions it describes
exactly an action, an intention.Even one person then remember that this week
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' s question for you to helpme, whether you mail it by the
way, or leave it in theSpotify notes is to help me understand what
' s first going on in yourmind, what' s going on right
now. If I tell you thatperson is an alcoholic or if I tell
you, you' re an alcoholic. If I say I' m an
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alcoholic, what' s the firstthing that comes to mind in terms of
definition, what do you understand?What does that person do or doesn'
t do? You can send mean email as long as you want or
some comment, unfortunately, with thelimitations that Spotify leaves it. But I
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sure hope you can help me combineyour comments with what we' re going
to talk about in two weeks.That are the nine questions to evaluate the
symptoms of that person we previously consideralcoholics, who are currently considered to have
an alcohol consumption disorder. There arenine questions and I want you to prepare
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yourself to answer them with me,because, depending on how many cis you
answer those questions, let' ssee what part of the spectrum you fall
into in case you think he's an alcoholic or not an alcoholic from
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those parts of my animadversion with theabsolute definition of an alcoholic, although if
you read the book of alchóligo,we roasted something out there, there'
s something that makes you see thatit' s not like that. But
anyway it' s really not.I don' t want to go from
white to black, from cold tohot, without seeing that there are also
other nuances involved. So, it' s not to minimize the problem,
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it' s just to dimension theproblem. So, if you' re
interested in coming back to the nextweek and you want to help me forgive
in two weeks, remember that thenext week is the episode of Manuelito on
March 17. It' s Manuelon the 24th. It would then be
March this episode. But the survey, in fact, I' m going
to leave it open for two weeksand the question is also going to leave
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it open for two weeks in caseanyone who wants to participate is going to
have the twelve weeks from here by23rd of March to tell me your definition.
Who you tend to be an alcoholic. We will then be generating the
content of episode number. One hundredand sixty- eight, but not one
hundred and sixty- eight, onehundred and sixty- nine, I'
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m already lost but good. Youunderstand me one hundred and sixty- nine,
I' d be sorry. Onehundred and sixty- nine. Okay.
We' re going to pass rightnow before I flatten your eyes no
longer work for me. If someonehas gone to the ophthalmologist to do an
eye exam and to check that everythingis okay technically speaking sometimes what they put
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you into makes it dilate for awhile. The person that the doctor who
helped me like the one who treatedme. He told me four or six
hours. That was about 20 hoursago. And although I can' t
say it' s the same asit was at two hours that you can
' t read absolutely anything flat out, I can also tell you that the
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effect doesn' t completely heal.Anyway, the answer, the question doesn
' t. Not the survey.Last week' s response was growing in
the power of the subconscious mind.And that came up from the episode where
Ever told us about a book aboutthe power of the subconscious mind. And
it' s worth it if youget it. And I do believe in
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it. I do believe in it. So much for the army. The
truth is that I don' tremember a book I read a while ago
that, in fact, I communicatedto you here in some episode that is
missing my name right now. Iam sincere to you, but now see
if I can find it in whatwe discuss in the following questions and answers.
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But it says that the power ofwhat happens, that what we perceive
is the conscious mind and that thatconscious mind is practically a tiny part of
what our brain is processing, thatthe great, great part of what our
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brain processes or the subconscious is practicallyunaware of and is the largest percentage of
the brain activity we have. Theyremember I' m not a doctor,
but I' ve read enough andI hope that you too are a specialist
in what you do if you dowhat you do. I' m sure
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if I came after trying to pretendto know more than you in what you
' ve done maybe for years,I wouldn' t be in my place.
Therefore, the credit that I usuallygive to myself is from all those
characters, doctors, philosophers, evencommentators, and if you wish, I
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take what serves me best and bringit. Sometimes I pass it on to
you, but I always look forthe source of what I' m saying
to give validity to something I comehere to comment on. The book I
' m telling you about is disneykeand Mind, which was this naked mind
that I aired a while ago thebooks, some headline episode of the books
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that have most marked me or somethinglike that this naked mind. In that
case, they or this person,the author talks about that part, so
I totally believe that the power ofthe subconscious mind is quite not powerful.
Of the fifteen votes there were forthis poll, twelve said that they do
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believe in the power of the subconsciousmind, one person said no, and
two people who half believe it andyou know what saved me from not.
I do, I think I thinkso much I might have to test it.
No, but usually the most practicaleffect at times would be those moments
that we sometimes go on negatives,we go on negatives and we say something
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bad is going to happen, somethingbad is going to happen? Or what
a bad day? What bad day? What a bad day, and then
you see some things happen. I' m not saying because I don'
t believe in that either because you' re saying it on the air or
you' re saying that that's why I' m going to happen
there. Yeah. The truth isthat I don' t believe to that
degree either, but rather I thinkwe repeat things so much. We ourselves
take attitudes that help make that happen. Not then, obviously, that'
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s the way it goes. So, thanks to the fifteen people who participated
in the survey and here are nowthe answers to the question that I also
did which event in your life hasleft you marked and perhaps influenced with your
way of being I lacked current exit. The first answer was the person who
' s going to participate, whoyou' re going to listen to.
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In the following episode, Manuel respondedto sexual rape. They remember the episode
Manuel participated in and where he tellsus to a large extent about the things
that happened in his life. It' s episode number one hundred and fifty
and one is called an interview Icouldn' t stop using crack. I
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suggest you see that if you haven' t heard it, it' s
long. If I understand, buttake your time. You have all week
until then to finish it and makeit possibly not necessarily more meaningful, it
is not necessarily linked 100% thatyou will not understand what he and I
have already recorded and that will bepublished next week, but I suggest you
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do it Maybe it will help youmore to understand what Manuel' s reality
is or what that reality was thanor what he lived for many years.
Then to the question which event inyour life has left you marked and may
have influenced your way of being.Manuel has responded to sexual rape. User
chant one, six, six oneresponds Hello Gregory greetings definitely my mother'
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s death, already on the 6thof March, twenty- one years of
her departure, a strong embrace chandtwenty- one years let me finish.
Then that loss I' d saywas the one that caused me to get
out of control with the drink.Greetings and notice that I stayed subconsciously.
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I didn' t interrupt what Iwas reading because it came to my mother
' s mind. My mother diedtwenty- four years ago, on March
7th chance and we almost agreed therenot. March 7 of the year two
thousand was when she died and itwas certainly an event, but perhaps not
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as traditionally you might think. Inmy case, she was a tremendous brake
because I saw her suffer with myalcoholic father. Then her great desire was
that I did not follow my father' s footsteps, so, while she
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was alive when she did slap me, once I did it it was certainly
hidden and it was not numerous occasionsbecause I had from the fear of quotation
marks that she would discover me tothe one who didn' t want me
to make her feel bad, butonce she died she was an announced woman.
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That' s why I can't say that it was the event
as such rather was the brake thatkept me to a certain point focused on
not having to, as let's say it was completely removed. So,
because I didn' t have thatbrake, I already gave it a
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full place and the formal, officialand free welcome that I could go out
to burst with friends or acquaintances,already without any fear or fear that someone
would catch me. No. Sothat' s why I kept thinking about
similarities. In this case, Chandthe truth always remembers said that we look
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at another application if you want,but that we look at similarities, not
differences. Sometimes we focus when wesee, when you already tell me what
your definition of alcoholic is that wethink and say. Since I' m
not the one who drinks daily,then I don' t have a problem.
Like I' m not the onewho lost everything. Since I'
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m not the one who already lefthis family. Since I' m not
the one who ran out of work, then I' m not no.
But how about all those things thatyou do, like that person, I
don' t stop when I wantor give me mental loopholes, or I
don' t know how I getto the fortnight, because I already spend
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all my money or an accounting amountof examples that could help. We focus,
in most cases, on differences,because that gives us the opportunity to
continue doing what we want to do, but we don' t focus on
similarities, which is what would possiblyhelp us stop a little longer. And
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I' ve had enough of this. But, as you saw your message
chan l one, six, six, one is what you get to perceive.
I hope my eyes aren' tbetraying me right now. Tamara comments
on seeing and suffering family violence froman early age, seeing the alcoholism of
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my father, my uncles and cousinsalso led me to see everything so normal.
That' s my abandonment wound andmy internal struggle. Tamara is a
person who has helped me a lot. Tamara was one of the people who
helped me get through that one ofthose storms I told you about a few
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minutes ago. Without a doubt,she is a fundamental part of my current
life, which I thank very muchto life for having a person like Tamar.
It has been since his participation inthe episode and number one hundred and
forty- three that was published inJuly of the two thousand and twenty-
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three. Also without a given caseyou have not heard the episode where Tamara
has participated. It was called alcoholand heroin. Interview with Tamara I suggest
you also do it because there isno more reliable waste than I am telling
you, Right now, but everyonelives their storms. Some will be coming
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or many will be coming. Butthe strength that in this case and source
of inspiration. Without a doubt,for me recently it has been Tamara then
a strong hug. Tamara, ifyou want to know a little more about
what had to happen. Tamara rememberyou then. Episode number one hundred and
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forty- three. Well, Rutholive be rejected, already abandoned by my
father and notice. That, Ruth, I' ve touched it, too,
and I' ve insisted on itmany times, and that too will
be combined with Lisa' s comment, and so, well, what makes
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things the way we are, andin our conversation with Ever, I also
mentioned it there, the things thathappen to us as kids. It would
not be absurd to attribute all ourdiscomfort, everything that happens to us and
give all the courage and power towhat, as adults we are, what
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we as adults have to go throughand I thought that this thing that is
happening to you is just what youare going through in your adulthood. It
would not be absurd, it wouldbe inconsiderate if you forget such that many
of the attitudes, in the wayyou face life, in the way you
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express your pain or your joy,are also of things or go hand in
hand with the things that have happenedto us when infants. So the work
we have to do, from mypoint of view, starts not for a
year, not for two years,since when we thought we lost control with
the drink or substance. It reallybegins to understand what happened to us when
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we were infants and if we canfocus on compensating for that wound, it
is what will surely help us veryimportantly to conquer our present, in being
able to deal with the addiction thatis burdening you today. And that'
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s what I' m telling you, Juan, so you can listen to
me, like we say in Mexico. I say that to myself too because,
although I have recognized that I haveadvanced in that understanding as a child,
I am sure I must still workmuch more. But well, a
strong hug Ruth for sharing this inSpotify' s comments. Remember the question.
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Remember that the question is which eventin your life has left you marked
and maybe you have influenced your wayof being our beloved Oscar, who also
participates in today' s text thatI have read. He is always a
little more philosophical in this case,but Oscar says ego, lack of orientation
in relation to my emotions, fearsand lack of acceptance. That certainly sounds
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a lot more to me, obviouslyto what we already do as adults,
which is also a fundamental part.We cannot forget the past, nor can
we forget the present. So,when we understand that about the ego,
which is a lot of what isalso based on how to start at least,
at least, I understood it inanonymous alcoholics, when we understand and
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can defeat that ego, which Carlosalso commented on in his time in his
participation in some of his participations.The ego is something that we need to
work a lot and it' snot the classic ego that I bought some
shoes look at them. I feellike I sit here and everybody sees me.
I don' t feel the bestin the block or the colony.
It is not necessarily that, althoughit could be related to a certain extent,
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it is going far beyond that.Then maybe we should work. Without
a doubt, all that oscar aswell mentioned and as you always let us
know in your participations.Álvaro Hernáncomments on a brand my parents left me
was just being with people. Iapply that day by day, and notice
that this is precisely in its time. I realized myself that I was saying
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it in a negative way and so, at the same time, you can
be so well applied in the positive. Not the events that marked me not
necessarily only negatively. We also needto do and appreciate the positive things that
leave us with the things that otherpeople have done for us, whether as
a child or as adults. Thenthere are events that surely could have happened
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to you, such as giving orreceiving an opportunity for you to work for.
But if I didn' t workfor her, even maybe, we
should feel so grateful for the goodthings. And that to the people that
we go through tribulations, that wego through, some complications, certainly we
stop seeing them we do not thinkexclusively of the bad. I focus on
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the bad and I don' tfocus on the good. I was just
focusing on paying off a debt.That' s me, but I don
' t focus on the good thingthat I have the money to be able
to do it. I don't just think about the bad and I
don' t see that I shouldbe grateful for being healthy, that allows
me to work, which allows meto have a remuneration, which allows me
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to be able to get ahead inmaterial matters, but I don' t
focus on that which just obsess meand makes me think negative things and I
leave everything on the side. It' s what others do or what you
do for yourself. Then we mustalso give the opportunity to the positive.
As an alvaro, I didn't learn that very quickly. I tell
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you in that profession in which Iperform today there are always environmental impacts.
When I was doing an environmental impactstudy, we focused by inertia on just
looking for the negative impacts that thecompany had on the environment. When he
came to a person who' sauditing us and he understood our processes,
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he said well, but you're also having a positive impact. Not
only do you focus on putting thenegative, but you also have a part
where you recycle, a part whereyou control, a part where it'
s more efficient. This and thatalso put it on your list. Don
' t just put on the badthings, put on the good things as
well, because they' re asimportant as the bad things. And sometimes
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that, that' s what leadsus to balance that equation. If I
' m going through all this,I have to get up early. I
have to do that I have todo this here. I have to be
face- to- face. Idon' t know from passing my dog
to getting out, going out withmy family to get out, you hear
a lot of bad forgiveness, butyou know you have the privilege of having
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other things, including being a parent. For example. But anyway, well,
I' m getting a lot ofbracing and what I was gonna do
about 20 minutes is taking me alot longer. Elisa a strong hug for
you too. Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez, comments on child sexual assault of the
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practical participants. In my opinion,four of us are talking about what happened
to us as children. I thinkthat' s a part of our life.
Obviously, we can' t erase, but we can mitigate how we
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feel if, in your case,you understand that that' s part of
the pain you' re carrying overthe course of your life. I'
m asking you, please work onit. I' m sure you know
that already at this moment, butyou really take matters into account, because
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it' s not worth it,no one will want to live what we
lack of life, so be it, one day having such a heavy burden
with us. If you' vealready done it, if you' ve
already done it, if you've already worked on it, that event
probably changed your life. It madeyou the way you are. But right
now, it can be said thatit also remains in the past. Remember
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that when I answered the hypothetical question, also that one of the books I
read recently told me and you whoyou are Gregory and you who you are
because a person who lives in thisplace, who work is no. No,
no, no, no, youwho you are and it makes you
think internally how you define yourself whatit is. What has marked you is
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precisely the fundamental part of that questionwho you are I answered that question the
child what was going from time totime to see that his mother was alive,
lying on the ground, if shewas breathing, no, when her
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father totally intoxicated and unconscious in thehammock of the living room, the mother
on the floor of the bedroom,the two affected by alcohol, on a
Sunday night, a child on abicycle who does not know where to go
more than every x number of minutes, return home and see that everything was
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still at peace. That' swhat we have to understand and decide what
we' re going to do sowe can let that child live in the
past and that the adult I amunderstand that that child is left behind,
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that that child doesn' t haveto walk with me for the next few
years of my life, that Imust understand that that child is the past
and that the future is different,but it costs and hurts and sometimes we
have to understand then that if wedon' t go through that pain,
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we won' t be able tolive the mind, because then that pain
of going through will become a morebearable pain. But pain, after all,
that will accompany you for the restof your life. I' ve
already gotten very well, but infact I feel, in fact, in
part also a little nostalgic. Idon' t know why I' m
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honest, but well, I'm just trying, as always, to
give you my opinion and comments.Thank you, thanks to the participants in
the response. If you wanted tosay something, but you wouldn' t
want me to read it, becauseit' s in Spotify, obviously.
But still, you' d liketo say something to the questions I ask.
Remember that you can do it byemail. Gregory throws in addiction.
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You know what to share or sayno to me, don' t share
this anymore. It' s becauseI want to get him out and I
want to tell someone and I'm glad he' ll stay. He
' ll be left alone for myeyes in anonymity and no one else will
see him. Then give yourself theopportunity to explore both that child and yourself
as an adult, and you'll better understand how things are going.
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I remember then that in the weekmy idea, my goal, what I
want to do is to post anepisode on YouTube that is called almost alcoholic.
You' ll see what it's all about. Please check YouTube
when you can, when you seea post out there. If you subscribe,
you will be well advised to activatethe notifications, it will let you
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know that the video is posted.You can review it so that it makes
more sense for you to help methen answer the question that I' ll
leave in Spotify in this episode that' s going to be what your visceral
definition is, what comes to mindof what it means for you to be
an addict or alcoholic, because notfor everyone is alcohol, for you that
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is a person who is an addictwho has lost control or an alcoholic who
is practically the synonym. Peru,obviously, consumes alcohol. Sal then help
me answer that question and I willbe talking about it in the episode that
will be recorded in two weeks shortlyof the year two thousand twenty- four
March fourteen March fourteen not March twenty- four of the twenty- four thousand.
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I' m going to say good- bye. I thank you,
as always, for the opportunity yougive me to be here with you.
I also remind you Manuel, Manuel, Manuel, in the episode of the
following week, episode one hundred andsixty- eight listens to his first participation.
It has no waste more than anhour, almost two if you want,
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but you have a week to listento it and already month you will
come on the next Sunday to listento the continuation a person with after,
more than two years, about twoyears of living in seoriety, relapse and
tell you something. It wasn't just alcohol, but maybe I don
' t remember in the conversation whetherit was alcohol or not. Rather if
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the alcohol was out there, butit wasn' t one of the drugs
Manuel was more afraid of in theepisode one hundred and fifty- one.
That' s where you' regonna find that drug that Manuel was so
afraid of. That' s wherehe talks to us. And that'
s the drug. That' sthe drug he got close to. And
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you' ll notice the things thathappened when you heard the next episode,
episode number five, one hundred andfifty- one, and the new one
will be one hundred and sixty-eight. Okay. Remember, there are
people who love you. Remember,there are people who want to see you
get over your addiction. Don't turn your back on them, talk
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to them head- on and askthem for help. You' d be
surprised to see how many people arehappy and eager to give you what you
need so much. I remind youthat if you' re in a position
to do that, I ask youif you' re in a position to
help someone else start that path,to give those first words of encouragement.
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Please do too, because you neverknow when you can change your life.
My name is Gregorio Chiñas. Herewe hear each other in the next episode
of addiction goodbye until the next
Remember that the information shared in thispodcast is for informational purposes only and does
not attempt to be a substitute fordiagnostic advice or medical treatment of any kind.
Therefore, please consult your doctor withanother health care professional, if you
have any questions about your state ofhealth or how to treat your addiction.
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Welcome. Again, this is anew episode. Episode number one hundred and
sixty- seven good- bye addiction, which is being recorded on Sunday March
10th of the year two thousand twenty- four. As I always thank you
very much for giving me the opportunityto be with you today, hoping to
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spend a good time with you andto talk about something that can entertain you
for the next few minutes, alwayswishing that that information that is shared here
you can also take and do thebest, the best you can with her
comes out today I will be talkingto you about two electronic cros, in
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fact, and I will have tomodify my plan, since I had planned
to bring you also as part oftoday' s episode, a kind of
study and also related information to understandthe alcohol disorder or how we usually say
alcoholism. Some questions, nine questionsthat will help us understand in what range,
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in which part of the spectrum weare. But we' re going
to leave it for the next episodethat I can record and I' m
telling you right now mainly because yesterdayI submitted to a study of my eyes
and they put a few drops thatstill give me some difficulty reading. I
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wanted to wait as long as Icould, but I really don' t
see that that' s getting anybetter. Then I ask you, please,
give me a chance to talk aboutunderstanding alcohol consumption disorder in two weeks,
because also an announcement that I wantto make next week. The episode
that is being recorded rather is alreadyrecorded is an interview, an interview with
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Manuel, that he is giving usthe opportunity to know the mind, to
know what happens before, during andafter a relapse And if you don'
t remember who Manuel is and withoutany case, you want to know him
before listening to that episode that wasrecorded and that will be published in the
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following week, in March seventeen ofthe two thousand twenty- four. Then
I suggest you find him, becausehe' s number one hundred and fifty
- one called an interview. Icouldn' t let you consume crack and
if you want me to repeat you, I remember a little bit about what
was at least the entrance. Thisis what we talked about a few months
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ago. Already, in September ofthe two thousand and twenty- three goodbye
addiction episode number one hundred and fifty- one and at least agreement went well.
Gacho saw me completely defeated in frontof the crack that is where I
no longer kept money or to putgasoline in my car, where I no
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longer had, suddenly, nor moneyto buy me some cigars, and I
for the fact that I did notcome to my house to listen to my
husband' s claims. I oftenpreferred to sleep and get high there alone.
And when I was there, Isaid it wasn' t there anymore,
I' m not going to usedrugs again, ever again, with
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tears in my eyes. I saidit. I really felt that I wanted
to stop now, I didn't want any more, and you know
what was the biggest gacho of allthat that same day I went out I
used again and you know that suddenlyI turn to the door and my mom
was looking well high and with tearsin her eyes she begged me to please
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stop getting high and not being ableto, not be able to. Okay.
Then I ask you, please,if you are interested in knowing what
this continuation is, where we talkabout the relapse that Manuel suffered a few
weeks ago, after practically two yearsof living in absolute sobriety. I'
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m asking you, please, thenreturn to the next episode. It will
be the number one hundred and sixty- eight that will be published on the
17th of March of the year twothousand and twenty- four. Well,
in three weeks I' m gonnabe posting an episode again on YouTube.
I still don' t know ifI' m gonna do it live,
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but it' s gonna be therepublished. In that video I' m
going to be talking to you andmaybe help you do the almost alcoholic exercise,
too. Remember that the videos arenot and will not be published in
audio, so I suggest you goto YouTube if you are not subscribed.
So do you. Let' stalk about what the almost alcoholic is and
what are the examples that, infact, is going to tie up the
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continuation of that is going to bethe audio episode that I' m talking
about then about the abuse disorder,because let' s see what part of
the spectrum we' re in.It' s good, there it is
then. This is way longer thanI had thought. And so now to
continue straight ahead, because the truth, I also want to ask you that
if you want to contact me,do it to the email Gregory Arroba addiction
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goodbye com and there we will gladlybe in communication, because these two people
who have kindly lent themselves to sendme the information that I want to share
with you today, along with theanswers that have been given in Spotify they
contacted me through email and here theyare and you will understand also part of
why they have done it. Rememberthen that participation in Spotify is also important.
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I' m going back to thepodcast part at the end, where
I was sharing with you the answersthat you kindly do me the honor of
sending me and now again there hasbeen participation or the question I asked last
week. Last week the question wasleft meeting. What event in your life
has left you marked and may haveinfluenced your current way of being. You
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' ll find out if you haven' t seen him in Spotify. There
are some answers that I want toshare and, as you know, I
always dress them up a little bitwith what I think or what I too
have had to live up to thisweek' s question. I' ll
let you know if you don't see her there, give me a
chance to wait for me to changeher, but it' s going to
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be related to your definition of analcoholic. Your definition I saw as an
alcoholic. I don' t wantyou to go to the book. I
don' t want you to goto a dictionary definition or something that'
s necessarily good. If it's your spiritual thing, maybe you want
to wrap me around something like that. But I want you to tell me
if I ask you right now toprepare for the episode next week. Cro
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would be excellent for two weeks,sorry. It would be great to have
those answers, because it will giveme the opportunity to understand precisely where,
what we mean by being an alcoholic. So and I was wondering today in
the morning when I was going outI would walk my dog and say well,
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if someone asked me a few yearsago, what was alcohol, what
was alcohol before I knew, sogoodbye addiction to the things I' ve
seen and said etcetera, I wouldthink that an alcoholic my visceral definition.
So the first thing that would cometo mind would be a person who gets
drunk every day and can' tstop and who has to do it every
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day in order to survive. Thatwould be for me as if my definition
were short. I also don't want you to go well, if
you want to do it also useall the characters that Spotify gives you the
chance, but if not, alsoremember that the mail there, if there
are no limits. But for methat' s what I' d come
to mind, and I want toask you what comes to mind. Don
' t look too hard on yourselffor what comes to mind. If we
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all agree that the same thing,then it will be so then it comes
out. Please check out the Spotifyquestion of today' s week and hopefully
you can leave me the comment andat some point listen to this episode already
in the future where the answers havealready been locked by Spotify. Don'
t hesitate to send a correlectronic toGregory Arroba to God addiction, com because
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I always read them and as youwill realize today I will be then,
already, after all this introduction solong, I want to talk about an
email Oscar has sent me. Oscaryou know that he has already participated in
an interview, He has participated onmany occasions with texts that he shares with
us of anonymous alcoholics and also withother comments, with the comments that he
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has sent me to the electronic corhelping me to generate content, as I
have requested before. Then the truth. I thank Oscar and Daniel very much.
Daniel, b he also sent mean e- mail and expressly gave
me permission to share it with youand I think it may be interesting for
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you too I insist I was goingto complement them with the other episode,
but now. In fact, I' ve already started tearing my eyes,
because I' m already reading what' s on the screen. It costs
me a little bit of work.Then I' m going to put this
email on alert and later to thebest development a little more comes out Thank
you for the opportunity that you're giving me ten minutes to get to
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that. I hope there isn't. I' m so bored,
but let' s go in withwhat oscar. He mailed me and says
he' s protecting himself from loneliness. Alcoholism has been described as solitary disease,
and very few recovered alcoholics would disputethis description. As we reflected on
the last months of our lives,of drinkers hundreds of thousands of us remembered
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to have felt isolated even when wewere among the multitude of festive people.
We used to have a feeling ofnot belonging even when we behaved in a
cheerfully sociable way. Many of ushave said that at first we drank to
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be part of the group. Manyof us believed that we had to drink
to fit in and feel integrated intothe human race. It is a clear
fact that the main use we madeof alcohol was self- centered, that
is, we poured it into ourown bodies because of the effect it had
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on us within ourselves. Sometimes thateffect helped us to behave socially properly for
a short time, or served totemporarily relieve our loneliness. But as the
effect passed we felt even more lonely, more isolated, more different and sad
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than ever to this then part ofthe mail Oscar sent me. I hope
I' m not in error.Oscar correct me or someone from alcoholic names
who corrects me. But I findthis to have read in an alcoholic publication,
whether in the Big Book or inthe Blue Book, as you tell
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him, please tell me if anyoneknows if this comes there, that and
if it comes there, as youmay notice. I am, in fact,
re- reading the book of anonymousalcoholics. And there are always things
that the truth. Every time Igrab the book, I feel like I
' m missing a big message fornot following it to the end. Then
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I' ll get into the partat the time maybe share a little more
of what I' ve learned,but these are very important lessons that are
worth a lot. If you havethe opportunity to buy the book of anonymous
alcoholics, please do so, youcan find it in any e- book
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store or on the website of anonymousalcoholics. You can also buy the pdf,
download it and read it wherever youlike. You won' t know
how you find him or go toan anonymous alcoholic meeting. That' s
also a very good way. Maybeyou' ll stay there for a while
too, like Daniel and Ahorita did, you' ll realize why I'
m telling you. But being atthe meetings, I think I' d
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say I have one in a physicalway. I have a book, a
book that someone gave me the firsttime I went now in the last group
I attended in person. But,but, but not just did I also
make a digital copy to do it. For me, from my point of
view, a little easier, notbecause it is lighter to load. Anyway,
Daniel, who I got good at, he got in touch with me.
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Obviously, I, as I promiseyou, answer most of the emails
and I' m saying this tomyself most because I can' t say
all of them. I wouldn't have a face for the person who
' s listening to me right nowand I haven' t answered him for
whatever reason I' m sorry,but I' m trying, I'
m trying to answer everyone, whethersomething might have happened to me, which
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I think I did, but maybeone stayed there. I came down and
didn' t see him anymore butin the vast majority my goal is to
respond to each and every one ofyou who make me reach a corlectronic.
So, Daniel, he got intouch with me for a while and he
listened in part to the announcement Imade a while ago to him comments on
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two hundred episodes in his text.I don' t remember if I said
200. What I do remember isthat I said one hundred and eighty and
explained a while ago also what myintention was of those one hundred and eighty,
which was what I was looking forwhen I got to that number,
and gave you an explanation that atthat time, when I explained it to
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you, made me completely felt.I meant to think that when I reached
180 episodes it was in a non- literal way, but rather metaphorically speaking,
I had taken a turn of 180degrees, that is, of having
the addiction in front of him tobe able to turn his back, turn
one hundred eighty degrees and where bythen the addiction was going to be in
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my past, I was going togo any step I walked, it was
going to be to separate myself fromthe addiction because I am turning my back.
Not then I continue forward. Itmeans that addiction is left behind and
not necessarily persecuting me that that wouldalready be another topic of discussion, but
that was my intention a few monthsago. I' m honest with you.
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I' ve had at least threeor four times where I closed the
podcast or. Semi closed the podcastor announcing that rest that may have been
indefinite. I have always reached peakswhere I am very excited, very focused,
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very excited. Also on occasions whynot say come and share with you
every day that you can right now, you can say that it is one
of those peaks that is when Irestart again that I am very focused,
that I keep going into that cycleof learning more, of wanting to do
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more than even right now, forexample, about the YouTube video, that,
although they are already practical five thousandsubscribers, there, see that it
can reach more people and that morepeople can be benefited. So, right
now, I' m living thatpeak of coming with you every week,
video, audio, etcetera. Ifthat cycle is followed as regularly as it
has done, after four or fiveor six months, maybe now it'
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s my turn to be at thebottom of the valley, where it'
s hard to get the motivation,where I see that, maybe, what
I' m doing doesn' thave as much impact or not what I
want, not the attraction, alsothat I want, etcetera. So what
left me the previous experience of sayingthat reaching the one hundred and eighty episodes,
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I think I gave you more orless a key out there. Now
that I started again that I said, unless something extraordinary happened, it'
s quite possible that I don't stop in the 180' s and
much of not stopping in the 180' s are comments, they' re
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e- mails, like the oneDaniel wrote to me. I' d
lie to you if I told youthat my decision wasn' t made before
half of Daniel' s mail arrivedI' d already made that decision that
I hope to continue living at thepeak as much as possible and that that
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time it takes to get to thebottom of the valley can be extended as
far as I can. And Iknow that with your help, with your
participation, with your constant communication,that can be extended to a large extent.
I wish, and it could becompletely avoided. But sometimes our emotions,
our feelings, our day- to- day, because they put us
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in places where sometimes it' shard to get out at least if we
don' t give ourselves time,then I don' t promise that I
won' t pass through my mindanother idea like that of the 180 degrees.
What I do promise is to doeverything in my power to be able
to handle it in a way thatcan still give hope to others, to
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those who have already started or thosewho are about to start their way to
recovery salt Then we will see howthings are going. That' s episode
one hundred and sixty- seven.I already announced the episode one hundred and
sixty- eight with Manuel, Ialready have the plan for the one hundred
and sixty- nine, etcetera.So, hopefully and you can, you
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can, hopefully, you can continueto generate that inertia and continue it.
But yeah, I need a lotof you and I' m sorry it
got to the same thing. Iwas thinking about not doing it, but
I have to say it because it' s an important part of all of
us staying focused. So, goingon with what Daniel has written to me,
it' s this. I've wanted to write you this e
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- mail for a while. Thisneed comes first from thanking you for your
podcast. Your podcast changed my lifeand for that I will always be eternally
grateful. With you. Like you, at first I self- diagnosed myself
as a person who abuses alcohol.Denying my alcoholism and addiction. Alcohol led
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me to do things, seeking self- destruction and somehow a slow death.
I had to go through episodes torealize I didn' t want it for
the rest of my life. Andthat' s how I started the road
looking for help. A few yearsago. I went to a double-
to- face group where I hada really bad time and from that I
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realized it wasn' t for me. From there, I continued in auto
consumption, destroying myself more every dayuntil I no longer endured it. I
became aware and that' s whereI start looking and I come with you.
Finding you. I' ve startedsince the episode of the first Sep
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of two thousand and twenty- three. The podcast wraps me up helps me,
but I' m still in consumption. That' s when I find
an episode that changes my life.The interviewee makes me feel a bridge of
understanding and in your episode notes youleave his phone. I decide to contact
him and accept the invitation to joinhis virtual double group. It has been
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about 120 days since that moment whenmy life made a radical change. For
the better, of course, I' ve discovered things that have never been
through my head. I' vebeen getting my family back, but above
all, a knowledge of me thatdidn' t exist. This is for
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leading a life more than twenty-five years of consumption. Today I live
my life alone by today implementing theprogram of the twelve steps in all two
aspects of my life. It wasn' t easy, but it wasn'
t impossible either. If you startto see that the double a program is
for life, it looks almost impossible, very difficult, but it takes easy
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turns, because today is this email. I write it to you with all
my love, but above all respectfor the goal of convincing you to continue
with your podcast. You mentioned thatyou' ll end up in the 200th
episode, but I want to pointout and tell you that, directly and
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indirectly, you' ve saved hundreds, maybe thousands of people for your podcast.
Hopefully, this will help you sizeup that the higher power put you
here to help us, to helpmany. And hopefully, you' ll
change your mind because you' recarrying a message, an action and,
above all, and most difficult,you created a community. Thank you so
much, Gregory. I hope youtake that into account. The way to
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ensure continuity is for each of usto contribute our experiences. As you say,
we don' t know when thiscan save someone. I offer you
my friendship under a very simple code, the four six, which includes communication,
congruence, trust and coexistence. Thankyou again for taking action, that
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action that helps thousands, but aboveall, that action you took changed my
life, thanks to You, Danieland people like you. No doubt,
and I' m not saying thatso that my ego gets inflamed, let
alone. This goes beyond that.This teaches me and obviously tells me that
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it is worth it sometimes to feellike I feel the time I spend on
it or the desire I put onit, the good or bad consequences,
sometimes to be a hard- coreand try to come and record whenever I
can, sometimes morning or sometimes unveiledso that I can constantly publish what has
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been a goal of life. Soby people like Daniel, who have found
a benefit over almost six years thatthe podcast began to be published. It
is what keeps me very much stillconnected goodbye addiction as podcast, but also
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as a solution to my own problem. So, thank you very much,
Daniel, and thank you very muchto all those who have come into contact
over the course of the six years, special mention for those who put themselves
in and I do not say thatit is more or less, special attention
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to all who have come into contactin recent months asking how he was,
especially because it is evident that hewho suffers from or has suffered from the
same problem. It' s verylogical to think that if someone disappears it
' s because they' re goingthrough a complicated moment. Fortunately, I
can tell you that those months ofabsence were not necessarily complicated, although there
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were some storms I had to gothrough. However, I am here,
standing and moving forward next week.I want to talk to you about the
order I was going to follow.I am a sincere understanding of the alcohol
disorder and what it is That is, obviously, what is known today as
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forgiveness. What is already known inthe past is what was known in the
past as alcoholism. I have explainedto you on several occasions my lack of
affinity with that word. However,I understand that on many occasions it describes
exactly an action, an intention.Even one person then remember that this week
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' s question for you to helpme, whether you mail it by the
way, or leave it in theSpotify notes is to help me understand what
' s first going on in yourmind, what' s going on right
now. If I tell you thatperson is an alcoholic or if I tell
you, you' re an alcoholic. If I say I' m an
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alcoholic, what' s the firstthing that comes to mind in terms of
definition, what do you understand?What does that person do or doesn'
t do? You can send mean email as long as you want or
some comment, unfortunately, with thelimitations that Spotify leaves it. But I
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sure hope you can help me combineyour comments with what we' re going
to talk about in two weeks.That are the nine questions to evaluate the
symptoms of that person we previously consideralcoholics, who are currently considered to have
an alcohol consumption disorder. There arenine questions and I want you to prepare
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yourself to answer them with me,because, depending on how many cis you
answer those questions, let' ssee what part of the spectrum you fall
into in case you think he's an alcoholic or not an alcoholic from
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those parts of my animadversion with theabsolute definition of an alcoholic, although if
you read the book of alchóligo,we roasted something out there, there'
s something that makes you see thatit' s not like that. But
anyway it' s really not.I don' t want to go from
white to black, from cold tohot, without seeing that there are also
other nuances involved. So, it' s not to minimize the problem,
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it' s just to dimension theproblem. So, if you' re
interested in coming back to the nextweek and you want to help me forgive
in two weeks, remember that thenext week is the episode of Manuelito on
March 17. It' s Manuelon the 24th. It would then be
March this episode. But the survey, in fact, I' m going
to leave it open for two weeksand the question is also going to leave
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it open for two weeks in caseanyone who wants to participate is going to
have the twelve weeks from here by23rd of March to tell me your definition.
Who you tend to be an alcoholic. We will then be generating the
content of episode number. One hundredand sixty- eight, but not one
hundred and sixty- eight, onehundred and sixty- nine, I'
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m already lost but good. Youunderstand me one hundred and sixty- nine,
I' d be sorry. Onehundred and sixty- nine. Okay.
We' re going to pass rightnow before I flatten your eyes no
longer work for me. If someonehas gone to the ophthalmologist to do an
eye exam and to check that everythingis okay technically speaking sometimes what they put
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you into makes it dilate for awhile. The person that the doctor who
helped me like the one who treatedme. He told me four or six
hours. That was about 20 hoursago. And although I can' t
say it' s the same asit was at two hours that you can
' t read absolutely anything flat out, I can also tell you that the
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effect doesn' t completely heal.Anyway, the answer, the question doesn
' t. Not the survey.Last week' s response was growing in
the power of the subconscious mind.And that came up from the episode where
Ever told us about a book aboutthe power of the subconscious mind. And
it' s worth it if youget it. And I do believe in
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it. I do believe in it. So much for the army. The
truth is that I don' tremember a book I read a while ago
that, in fact, I communicatedto you here in some episode that is
missing my name right now. Iam sincere to you, but now see
if I can find it in whatwe discuss in the following questions and answers.
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But it says that the power ofwhat happens, that what we perceive
is the conscious mind and that thatconscious mind is practically a tiny part of
what our brain is processing, thatthe great, great part of what our
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brain processes or the subconscious is practicallyunaware of and is the largest percentage of
the brain activity we have. Theyremember I' m not a doctor,
but I' ve read enough andI hope that you too are a specialist
in what you do if you dowhat you do. I' m sure
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if I came after trying to pretendto know more than you in what you
' ve done maybe for years,I wouldn' t be in my place.
Therefore, the credit that I usuallygive to myself is from all those
characters, doctors, philosophers, evencommentators, and if you wish, I
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take what serves me best and bringit. Sometimes I pass it on to
you, but I always look forthe source of what I' m saying
to give validity to something I comehere to comment on. The book I
' m telling you about is disneykeand Mind, which was this naked mind
that I aired a while ago thebooks, some headline episode of the books
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that have most marked me or somethinglike that this naked mind. In that
case, they or this person,the author talks about that part, so
I totally believe that the power ofthe subconscious mind is quite not powerful.
Of the fifteen votes there were forthis poll, twelve said that they do
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believe in the power of the subconsciousmind, one person said no, and
two people who half believe it andyou know what saved me from not.
I do, I think I thinkso much I might have to test it.
No, but usually the most practicaleffect at times would be those moments
that we sometimes go on negatives,we go on negatives and we say something
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bad is going to happen, somethingbad is going to happen? Or what
a bad day? What bad day? What a bad day, and then
you see some things happen. I' m not saying because I don'
t believe in that either because you' re saying it on the air or
you' re saying that that's why I' m going to happen
there. Yeah. The truth isthat I don' t believe to that
degree either, but rather I thinkwe repeat things so much. We ourselves
take attitudes that help make that happen. Not then, obviously, that'
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s the way it goes. So, thanks to the fifteen people who participated
in the survey and here are nowthe answers to the question that I also
did which event in your life hasleft you marked and perhaps influenced with your
way of being I lacked current exit. The first answer was the person who
' s going to participate, whoyou' re going to listen to.
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In the following episode, Manuel respondedto sexual rape. They remember the episode
Manuel participated in and where he tellsus to a large extent about the things
that happened in his life. It' s episode number one hundred and fifty
and one is called an interview Icouldn' t stop using crack. I
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suggest you see that if you haven' t heard it, it' s
long. If I understand, buttake your time. You have all week
until then to finish it and makeit possibly not necessarily more meaningful, it
is not necessarily linked 100% thatyou will not understand what he and I
have already recorded and that will bepublished next week, but I suggest you
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do it Maybe it will help youmore to understand what Manuel' s reality
is or what that reality was thanor what he lived for many years.
Then to the question which event inyour life has left you marked and may
have influenced your way of being.Manuel has responded to sexual rape. User
chant one, six, six oneresponds Hello Gregory greetings definitely my mother'
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s death, already on the 6thof March, twenty- one years of
her departure, a strong embrace chandtwenty- one years let me finish.
Then that loss I' d saywas the one that caused me to get
out of control with the drink.Greetings and notice that I stayed subconsciously.
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I didn' t interrupt what Iwas reading because it came to my mother
' s mind. My mother diedtwenty- four years ago, on March
7th chance and we almost agreed therenot. March 7 of the year two
thousand was when she died and itwas certainly an event, but perhaps not
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as traditionally you might think. Inmy case, she was a tremendous brake
because I saw her suffer with myalcoholic father. Then her great desire was
that I did not follow my father' s footsteps, so, while she
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was alive when she did slap me, once I did it it was certainly
hidden and it was not numerous occasionsbecause I had from the fear of quotation
marks that she would discover me tothe one who didn' t want me
to make her feel bad, butonce she died she was an announced woman.
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That' s why I can't say that it was the event
as such rather was the brake thatkept me to a certain point focused on
not having to, as let's say it was completely removed. So,
because I didn' t have thatbrake, I already gave it a
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full place and the formal, officialand free welcome that I could go out
to burst with friends or acquaintances,already without any fear or fear that someone
would catch me. No. Sothat' s why I kept thinking about
similarities. In this case, Chandthe truth always remembers said that we look
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at another application if you want,but that we look at similarities, not
differences. Sometimes we focus when wesee, when you already tell me what
your definition of alcoholic is that wethink and say. Since I' m
not the one who drinks daily,then I don' t have a problem.
Like I' m not the onewho lost everything. Since I'
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m not the one who already lefthis family. Since I' m not
the one who ran out of work, then I' m not no.
But how about all those things thatyou do, like that person, I
don' t stop when I wantor give me mental loopholes, or I
don' t know how I getto the fortnight, because I already spend
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all my money or an accounting amountof examples that could help. We focus,
in most cases, on differences,because that gives us the opportunity to
continue doing what we want to do, but we don' t focus on
similarities, which is what would possiblyhelp us stop a little longer. And
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I' ve had enough of this. But, as you saw your message
chan l one, six, six, one is what you get to perceive.
I hope my eyes aren' tbetraying me right now. Tamara comments
on seeing and suffering family violence froman early age, seeing the alcoholism of
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my father, my uncles and cousinsalso led me to see everything so normal.
That' s my abandonment wound andmy internal struggle. Tamara is a
person who has helped me a lot. Tamara was one of the people who
helped me get through that one ofthose storms I told you about a few
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minutes ago. Without a doubt,she is a fundamental part of my current
life, which I thank very muchto life for having a person like Tamar.
It has been since his participation inthe episode and number one hundred and
forty- three that was published inJuly of the two thousand and twenty-
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three. Also without a given caseyou have not heard the episode where Tamara
has participated. It was called alcoholand heroin. Interview with Tamara I suggest
you also do it because there isno more reliable waste than I am telling
you, Right now, but everyonelives their storms. Some will be coming
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or many will be coming. Butthe strength that in this case and source
of inspiration. Without a doubt,for me recently it has been Tamara then
a strong hug. Tamara, ifyou want to know a little more about
what had to happen. Tamara rememberyou then. Episode number one hundred and
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forty- three. Well, Rutholive be rejected, already abandoned by my
father and notice. That, Ruth, I' ve touched it, too,
and I' ve insisted on itmany times, and that too will
be combined with Lisa' s comment, and so, well, what makes
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things the way we are, andin our conversation with Ever, I also
mentioned it there, the things thathappen to us as kids. It would
not be absurd to attribute all ourdiscomfort, everything that happens to us and
give all the courage and power towhat, as adults we are, what
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we as adults have to go throughand I thought that this thing that is
happening to you is just what youare going through in your adulthood. It
would not be absurd, it wouldbe inconsiderate if you forget such that many
of the attitudes, in the wayyou face life, in the way you
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express your pain or your joy,are also of things or go hand in
hand with the things that have happenedto us when infants. So the work
we have to do, from mypoint of view, starts not for a
year, not for two years,since when we thought we lost control with
the drink or substance. It reallybegins to understand what happened to us when
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we were infants and if we canfocus on compensating for that wound, it
is what will surely help us veryimportantly to conquer our present, in being
able to deal with the addiction thatis burdening you today. And that'
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s what I' m telling you, Juan, so you can listen to
me, like we say in Mexico. I say that to myself too because,
although I have recognized that I haveadvanced in that understanding as a child,
I am sure I must still workmuch more. But well, a
strong hug Ruth for sharing this inSpotify' s comments. Remember the question.
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Remember that the question is which eventin your life has left you marked
and maybe you have influenced your wayof being our beloved Oscar, who also
participates in today' s text thatI have read. He is always a
little more philosophical in this case,but Oscar says ego, lack of orientation
in relation to my emotions, fearsand lack of acceptance. That certainly sounds
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a lot more to me, obviouslyto what we already do as adults,
which is also a fundamental part.We cannot forget the past, nor can
we forget the present. So,when we understand that about the ego,
which is a lot of what isalso based on how to start at least,
at least, I understood it inanonymous alcoholics, when we understand and
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can defeat that ego, which Carlosalso commented on in his time in his
participation in some of his participations.The ego is something that we need to
work a lot and it' snot the classic ego that I bought some
shoes look at them. I feellike I sit here and everybody sees me.
I don' t feel the bestin the block or the colony.
It is not necessarily that, althoughit could be related to a certain extent,
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it is going far beyond that.Then maybe we should work. Without
a doubt, all that oscar aswell mentioned and as you always let us
know in your participations.Álvaro Hernáncomments on a brand my parents left me
was just being with people. Iapply that day by day, and notice
that this is precisely in its time. I realized myself that I was saying
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it in a negative way and so, at the same time, you can
be so well applied in the positive. Not the events that marked me not
necessarily only negatively. We also needto do and appreciate the positive things that
leave us with the things that otherpeople have done for us, whether as
a child or as adults. Thenthere are events that surely could have happened
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to you, such as giving orreceiving an opportunity for you to work for.
But if I didn' t workfor her, even maybe, we
should feel so grateful for the goodthings. And that to the people that
we go through tribulations, that wego through, some complications, certainly we
stop seeing them we do not thinkexclusively of the bad. I focus on
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the bad and I don' tfocus on the good. I was just
focusing on paying off a debt.That' s me, but I don
' t focus on the good thingthat I have the money to be able
to do it. I don't just think about the bad and I
don' t see that I shouldbe grateful for being healthy, that allows
me to work, which allows meto have a remuneration, which allows me
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to be able to get ahead inmaterial matters, but I don' t
focus on that which just obsess meand makes me think negative things and I
leave everything on the side. It' s what others do or what you
do for yourself. Then we mustalso give the opportunity to the positive.
As an alvaro, I didn't learn that very quickly. I tell
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you in that profession in which Iperform today there are always environmental impacts.
When I was doing an environmental impactstudy, we focused by inertia on just
looking for the negative impacts that thecompany had on the environment. When he
came to a person who' sauditing us and he understood our processes,
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he said well, but you're also having a positive impact. Not
only do you focus on putting thenegative, but you also have a part
where you recycle, a part whereyou control, a part where it'
s more efficient. This and thatalso put it on your list. Don
' t just put on the badthings, put on the good things as
well, because they' re asimportant as the bad things. And sometimes
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that, that' s what leadsus to balance that equation. If I
' m going through all this,I have to get up early. I
have to do that I have todo this here. I have to be
face- to- face. Idon' t know from passing my dog
to getting out, going out withmy family to get out, you hear
a lot of bad forgiveness, butyou know you have the privilege of having
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other things, including being a parent. For example. But anyway, well,
I' m getting a lot ofbracing and what I was gonna do
about 20 minutes is taking me alot longer. Elisa a strong hug for
you too. Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez, comments on child sexual assault of the
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practical participants. In my opinion,four of us are talking about what happened
to us as children. I thinkthat' s a part of our life.
Obviously, we can' t erase, but we can mitigate how we
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feel if, in your case,you understand that that' s part of
the pain you' re carrying overthe course of your life. I'
m asking you, please work onit. I' m sure you know
that already at this moment, butyou really take matters into account, because
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it' s not worth it,no one will want to live what we
lack of life, so be it, one day having such a heavy burden
with us. If you' vealready done it, if you' ve
already done it, if you've already worked on it, that event
probably changed your life. It madeyou the way you are. But right
now, it can be said thatit also remains in the past. Remember
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that when I answered the hypothetical question, also that one of the books I
read recently told me and you whoyou are Gregory and you who you are
because a person who lives in thisplace, who work is no. No,
no, no, no, youwho you are and it makes you
think internally how you define yourself whatit is. What has marked you is
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precisely the fundamental part of that questionwho you are I answered that question the
child what was going from time totime to see that his mother was alive,
lying on the ground, if shewas breathing, no, when her
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father totally intoxicated and unconscious in thehammock of the living room, the mother
on the floor of the bedroom,the two affected by alcohol, on a
Sunday night, a child on abicycle who does not know where to go
more than every x number of minutes, return home and see that everything was
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still at peace. That' swhat we have to understand and decide what
we' re going to do sowe can let that child live in the
past and that the adult I amunderstand that that child is left behind,
(48:45):
that that child doesn' t haveto walk with me for the next few
years of my life, that Imust understand that that child is the past
and that the future is different,but it costs and hurts and sometimes we
have to understand then that if wedon' t go through that pain,
(49:09):
we won' t be able tolive the mind, because then that pain
of going through will become a morebearable pain. But pain, after all,
that will accompany you for the restof your life. I' ve
already gotten very well, but infact I feel, in fact, in
part also a little nostalgic. Idon' t know why I' m
(49:32):
honest, but well, I'm just trying, as always, to
give you my opinion and comments.Thank you, thanks to the participants in
the response. If you wanted tosay something, but you wouldn' t
want me to read it, becauseit' s in Spotify, obviously.
But still, you' d liketo say something to the questions I ask.
Remember that you can do it byemail. Gregory throws in addiction.
(49:57):
You know what to share or sayno to me, don' t share
this anymore. It' s becauseI want to get him out and I
want to tell someone and I'm glad he' ll stay. He
' ll be left alone for myeyes in anonymity and no one else will
see him. Then give yourself theopportunity to explore both that child and yourself
as an adult, and you'll better understand how things are going.
(50:21):
I remember then that in the weekmy idea, my goal, what I
want to do is to post anepisode on YouTube that is called almost alcoholic.
You' ll see what it's all about. Please check YouTube
when you can, when you seea post out there. If you subscribe,
you will be well advised to activatethe notifications, it will let you
(50:44):
know that the video is posted.You can review it so that it makes
more sense for you to help methen answer the question that I' ll
leave in Spotify in this episode that' s going to be what your visceral
definition is, what comes to mindof what it means for you to be
an addict or alcoholic, because notfor everyone is alcohol, for you that
(51:05):
is a person who is an addictwho has lost control or an alcoholic who
is practically the synonym. Peru,obviously, consumes alcohol. Sal then help
me answer that question and I willbe talking about it in the episode that
will be recorded in two weeks shortlyof the year two thousand twenty- four
March fourteen March fourteen not March twenty- four of the twenty- four thousand.
(51:29):
I' m going to say good- bye. I thank you,
as always, for the opportunity yougive me to be here with you.
I also remind you Manuel, Manuel, Manuel, in the episode of the
following week, episode one hundred andsixty- eight listens to his first participation.
It has no waste more than anhour, almost two if you want,
(51:49):
but you have a week to listento it and already month you will
come on the next Sunday to listento the continuation a person with after,
more than two years, about twoyears of living in seoriety, relapse and
tell you something. It wasn't just alcohol, but maybe I don
' t remember in the conversation whetherit was alcohol or not. Rather if
(52:10):
the alcohol was out there, butit wasn' t one of the drugs
Manuel was more afraid of in theepisode one hundred and fifty- one.
That' s where you' regonna find that drug that Manuel was so
afraid of. That' s wherehe talks to us. And that'
s the drug. That' sthe drug he got close to. And
(52:32):
you' ll notice the things thathappened when you heard the next episode,
episode number five, one hundred andfifty- one, and the new one
will be one hundred and sixty-eight. Okay. Remember, there are
people who love you. Remember,there are people who want to see you
get over your addiction. Don't turn your back on them, talk
(52:55):
to them head- on and askthem for help. You' d be
surprised to see how many people arehappy and eager to give you what you
need so much. I remind youthat if you' re in a position
to do that, I ask youif you' re in a position to
help someone else start that path,to give those first words of encouragement.
(53:16):
Please do too, because you neverknow when you can change your life.
My name is Gregorio Chiñas. Herewe hear each other in the next episode
of addiction goodbye until the next
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