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“Tenemos malas noticias para ti. A nosotros nos parecieron malas noticias, y a ti probablemente te lo parecerán también. Aunque hayan pasado seis días, meses o años desde que tomaste tu último trago, si te tomas una o dos copas acabarás atado a la cama en el hospital, como has estado durante los seis meses pasados. Eres un alcohólico”.
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.. Alcohólicos Anónimos, Tercera edición (Spanish Edition) (p. 244). Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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“Tenemos malas noticias para ti. A nosotros nos parecieron malas noticias, y a ti probablemente te lo parecerán también. Aunque hayan pasado seis días, meses o años desde que tomaste tu último trago, si te tomas una o dos copas acabarás atado a la cama en el hospital, como has estado durante los seis meses pasados. Eres un alcohólico”.
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.. Alcohólicos Anónimos, Tercera edición (Spanish Edition) (p. 244). Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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The information shared in this podcast isfor informational purposes only and does not attempt
to be a substitute for diagnostic adviceor medical treatment of any kind. Therefore,
please always consult your doctor or otherhealth care professional if you have any
questions about your state of health orhow to treat your addiction. Welcome,
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Welcome again, my name is GregoryChiñas and, as always you, I
welcome a new episode, episode numberone hundred and seventy of addiction goodbye,
episode that is being recorded on Sundaythirty- one March of the year two
thousand twenty- four. As Ialways thank you for giving me the chance
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to be here with you once again. What am I going to tell you
today about the anonymous alcoholic number three, a fascinating story published in the Book
of Anonymous Alcoholics that I want toshare with you today. Please listen to
it you have no waste, especiallybecause I am sure you will very possibly
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identify yourself, because it addresses morethan one occasion something that is quite common
for us, people who have someproblem with alcohol and, above all,
how we have tried to control itat times and we cannot go to the
mentality also that we know we haveinside us when it comes to talking about
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alcohol. I' m drinking youtoo much alcohol. Anyway, I also
ask you, please, before startingtoday' s episode, to please contact
me at the email Gregory Arroba Goodbyeaddiction com in case, in case you
would like to participate. Please letme know, I will send the questions
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by email and hopefully and in duecourse once you read them and answer them,
you realize that it is very easyto participate and also very important,
because remember that you never know whenyou can change someone' s life.
I also ask you if, inany case, you' re not listening
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s addiction page, which would beYouTube com Diagonal Arroba Goodbye addiction. There
you find videos to almost every episode. I' m giving you a video
introduction where I' m trying toprovide information that I probably couldn' t
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address in the audio episode. SoI suggest that if in any case,
you would like to receive a littlebit closer to eventually videos exclusively for that
channel and also with live moments,that I hope, and also at that
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on YouTube and activate notifications so thatlater we can continue to be in communication
through that media. Anyway, let' s start then at what it'
s going to be, what's being today' s episode. If
you like, I haven' tstopped something I' ve kept on this
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steady path. That will sometimes bejust as obsessive as I have when it
comes to continuing to learn about alcohol, alcoholism or disorder, abuse, forgiveness,
disorder, alcohol consumption, as wehave called it in the previous episode.
And that led me to grab theBook of Anonymous Alcoholics again, continue
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with my reading and get to apage, come to a story that the
truth touched me very much that Isaid in case at any time you haven
' t read it, in caseat any time you haven' t given
yourself the opportunity of first and thealcoholic are mimos or second, you read
the book, that even I believethat the book can be downloaded, even
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if you haven' t been inanonymous alcoholics. In case you' re
interested, in any case, ingiving you an idea of what the matter
is about. You could download it, it, you could buy and read
it. After all, not onyour own, without the need to go
any meeting. But I wish andwere both at the same time, as
I was reading this account of thisperson who, from what I understand,
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was in fact the third aggregate ofthat original group that was given in the
1930s, it seemed to me,as I told you in the introduction,
very interesting, because in many ways, it doesn' t matter that this
was in a thousand nine hundred thirty- five. We are already talking about
almost ninety years and it remains thesame in many things. Look let me
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tell you about it Stay with me. It may take a few minutes,
but listen carefully. Already you willtell me whether or not you identify with
this person and if it really strikesyou that this being in nineteen hundred and
thirty so many, now, beingin two thousand and twenty, things remain
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so similar. What do you thinkthat leads to? It comes out Look
here. Then I begin the story. Anonymous alcoholic number three, pioneer member
of Achron' s number one group, the world' s first group of
anonymous alcoholics. He preserved his faithand for this he and many others found
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a new life. One of fivechildren was born in a large one in
Kentucky County. My parents were affluentpeople and a happy marriage. My wife
from Kentucky, too. He accompaniedme to Acron, where I finished my
law studies at Akron Law School.Mine is, in a way, an
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unusual case. There were no episodesof unhappiness during my childhood that could explain
alcoholism to me. Apparently he hada natural propensity for drinking. I was
happily married and, as I said, I never had any of the conscious
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or unconscious motives that are often citedfor drinking. However, as my record
indicates, I became a serious casebefore the drink completely defeated me. I
managed to have some notable successes byserving as a member of the municipal council
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and financial administrator of Kenmor, asuburb that later joined the city itself.
But all this went away, ashe drank more and more, so when
vill and Dr. Bob, mystrength had run out. The first time
I got drunk, I was eightyears old. It wasn' t my
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father' s or my mother's fault, who were strongly opposed to
drinking. A couple of workers werecleaning the barn on the farm and I
was accompanying them by riding on thesled while they were carrying. I drank
cider from a barrel in the barn. After two or three tours on a
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return trip, I lost consciousness andhad to take me home. I remember
my father had whiskey in the housefor medicinal purposes and to serve the guests
and I drank it when there wasno one around me and then I added
or water to the bottle so myparents wouldn' t notice. I went
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on like this until I enrolled instate college and after four years I realized
I was a drunk. Tomorrow aftertomorrow I woke up sick and trembling,
but I always had a bottle placedon the table next to my bed.
I was taking her. I wouldhave a drink and within a few minutes
I would get up, throw another, shave, have breakfast and put a
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quarter of a liter of liquor inmy pocket and go to college. At
the intervals between my classes, Iran to the services drinking enough to calm
my nerves and headed for the nextclass. This was in nineteen hundred and
seventeen. In the second part ofmy senior year at the University, I
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left my studies to enlist in thearmy. Back then, I called this
patriotism. Later I realized I wasrunning away from alcohol. To a degree.
It helped me, as I foundmyself in places where I couldn'
t get anything to drink and soI managed to break the habit. Then
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the prohibition came into effect and thefact that what could be obtained was so
bad and sometimes deadly. United towhom if I had married and had a
job I could not neglect. Theyhelped me over a period of about three
or four years, although every timeI could get enough liquor to start I
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didn' t get drunk. Mywife and I belonged to some of Bridge
' s clubs where they started makingand serving wine. However, after two
or three attempts, I knew thatthis did not convince me, as it
was not enough to satisfy me,so I refused to drink that problem.
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However, it was soon resolved.When I got worse I wanted to take
my own bottle with me and hideit in the toilet or in the bushes.
As time went by, my drinkingwas getting worse. I was absent
from the office for two or threeweeks, dreadful days and nights when I
saw myself lying on the floor ofmy house groping for the bottle, drinking
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me and sinking back into oblivion.During the first six months of a thousand
nine hundred and thirty- five theyhospitalized me eight times for drunkenness and tied
me to bed for two or threedays before I knew where I was.
On June 26th of a thousand ninehundred and thirty- five, I arrived
again at the hospital and was discouragednot to say more each of the seven
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times that I had left the hospitalfor the past six months. I was
determined not to get drunk for atleast eight months. It wasn' t
like that. I didn' tknow what the problem was and I didn
' t know what. That morningI was transferred to another room and there
was my wife. I thought you' re gonna tell me we' re
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finally here. I couldn' tblame her and I had no intention of
trying to justify myself. He toldme he' d talked to two people
about drinking. I resented this verymuch until he informed me that they were
a couple of drunks. Like metelling another drunk wasn' t that bad.
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He told me you' re gonnaquit. This was worth a lot,
though I didn' t believe itThen he told me that the drunkards
he had talked to had a planthrough which they thought they could stop drinking
and one part of the plan wasto tell another drunk. This was going
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to help them stay sober. Allthe other people who had talked to me
wanted to help me and my pridewould not let me listen to them,
creating only resentments. I thought,however, that I would be a bad
person if I did not listen fora while to a couple of men,
if this could cure them. Healso told me that I couldn' t
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pay them, even if I wantedto and had money to do it,
money I didn' t have.They entered and began to instruct me in
the program that would later become knownas anonymous alcoholics and that at that time
was not very extensive. I lookedat them two large men over one eighty
in height and with a very pleasantappearance. I later learned that they were
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BILLW and Dr. Bob. Shortlyafterwards we began to relate some events before
our drinking and, of course,I quickly realized that they both knew what
I was talking about, because whenyou' re drunk, you can feel
and smell something that you can't at other times. If I thought
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they didn' t know what theywere talking about, I wouldn' t
have been willing at all to talkto them. After a while. Bill
said well, you' ve beentalking a lot. Leave me on cable
for a few minutes. So,after hearing a little more of my story,
he turned to Dr Bob. Ithink he didn' t know what
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he heard and said good. Ithink it' s worth working with him
and saving him. They asked meto stop drinking your drink It' s
none of our business. We're not here to try to take away
any rights or privileges from you,but we have a program through which we
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believe we can stay sober. Onepart of this program is that we pass
it on to someone else who needsit and wants it. If you don
' t want it, don't worry, we' ll spend your
time and go find someone else.Then they wanted to know if I thought
I could stop drinking by my ownmeans without any help, if I could
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just leave the hospital to never drink. If so, it would be a
wonder and they would like to meeta man with such capacity. However,
they were looking for a person whoknew that he had a problem that he
could not solve for himself and thathe needed help from others. Then they
asked me if I believed in ahigher power. That did not cause me
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any difficulty, as I had neverstopped believing in God and had tried repeatedly
to get help without achieving it.Then I was asked if I would be
willing to resort to this power toask for help quietly and unreservedly. They
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left me to reflect on this andI was lying in my hospital bed,
thinking about my past life and reviewingit. I thought about what alcohol had
done to me, the opportunities Ihad lost, the talents I had been
given and how I had wasted them. And finally I came to the conclusion
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that even if I didn' twant to stop drinking I should want it
and that I was willing to doanything to leave it. I was willing
to admit that I had played hardball, that I had encountered something I didn
' t know how to deal withalone. So, after meditating on this
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and realizing what I drank had costme, I went to this higher power
that for me was God unreservedly,and admitted that I was powerless in the
face of alcohol and that I waswilling to do anything to get rid of
the problem. In fact, Iadmitted that I was willing there from now
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on to give my direction to God. Every day I would try to seek
his will and follow it, insteadof trying to convince God that what I
thought was the best for me then, when they came back, I told
him one of the men, Ithink it was Dr Bob, asked me
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well, you want to stop drinking. I answered yes, I' d
like to leave it at least sixor eight months until I can get my
things in order and earn my wife' s and some others' respect again,
fix my finances, etcetera. Andthe two of them started laughing willingly
and told me it would be betterthan what you' ve been doing true
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what it was, of course,the truth. And they told me we
have bad news for you. Allof us found bad news and you probably
think so too, even if it' s been six days, months or
years since you had your last drink. If you have one or two drinks,
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you' ll end up tied tobed in the hospital. As you
' ve been for the past sixmonths. You' re an alcoholic I
remember. This was the first timeI paid attention to that word. I
figured he was just a drunk andthey told me you didn' t suffer
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from an illness and no matter howlong I went without drinking. After having
a drink or two, you'll find yourself as you are then.
I was truly disheartened by that news. Then they asked me to stop drinking
for 24 hours. Right. Isaid yes, anyone can leave for 24
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hours. They told me about it. We spoke for twenty- four hours.
Every time. This took a weightoff of me every time I started
thinking about drinking. I imagined thelong dry years that were waiting for me
without drinking this 24 hour idea andthe decision that depended on me helped me
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a lot for the next two orthree days. I finally came to the
decision to give my will to Godand follow the program as best I could.
His words and actions had given mesome assurance. Although I wasn'
t absolutely sure. I didn't doubt the program would work, I
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doubted that I could stick to it. I came to the conclusion, however,
that I was willing to devote allmy efforts to doing so with the
grace of God and that I wantedto do just that. As soon as
I came to this decision. Ifelt a great relief. I knew I
had someone who would help me whocould trust me that I wouldn' t
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fail. If I could stick tohim and listen, I' d get
what I wanted. I remember whenthe men came back, I told them
I went to this higher power andtold him that I am willing to put
their world before everything else. I' ve already done it and I'
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m willing to do it again beforeyou or to say it anywhere, anywhere
in the world from now on withoutshame. And this, as I said,
gave me a lot of security.It seemed to take a large part
of my burden away from me.I remember also telling them that it was
going to be very hard, becauseI did other things, I smoked cigarettes,
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I played poker and sometimes I beton horses and they said no.
It seems to you that at presentdrinking is causing you more trouble than other
things. You don' t thinkyou' re gonna have to do everything
you can to get rid of her. I grudgingly reprimanded them. Yeah,
it' ll probably be like that. They told me. Let us stop
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thinking about the other problems, thatis, let us not try to eliminate
them all in one stroke and concentrateon drinking. Of course, we had
talked about several of my defects andmade a kind of inventory that was not
difficult to make, as I hadmany defects that were very obvious because I
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knew them well. Then they toldme there' s one more thing.
You should go out and take thisprogram to someone else who needs it and
wants it. At this point,my business was practically non- existent.
I didn' t have any forquite some time. I did not,
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of course, enjoy my good healtheither. It took me a year and
a half to start feeling good.Physically it was hard for me, but
soon I found people who had beenfriends before and after being sober for a
while, I saw these people treatingme again as they had in years past.
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Before I got so bad that Ididn' t pay much attention to
economic gain, I spent most ofmy time trying to recover these friendships and
somehow compensate my wife, whom Ihad hurt a lot. It would be
difficult to calculate how much double youhave done for me really wanted the program
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and I wanted to follow it.It seemed to me that the others had
so much relief, a happiness Idon' t know what I thought everyone
should have. I was trying tofind the solution. I knew there was
something else I hadn' t pickedup yet. I remember one day,
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a week or two after I leftthe hospital where Bill was at my house
talking to my wife and me,we were having lunch and I was listening,
trying to figure out why they hadthat relief they seemed to have.
Bill looked at my wife and toldHenriyeta,“ God has shown me so
much kindness by healing me from thisdreadful illness that I just want to keep
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talking about it and keep telling otherpeople about it. I told myself I
think I have the solution. Billwas very, very grateful for having been
released from this terrible thing and hadattributed to God the merit of having done
so and is so grateful that hewants to tell other people. That phrase
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God has shown me so much kindnessby healing me from this dreadful illness that
I only want to tell other people. I had served as a golden text
for the anonymous alcoholic program and forme, of course, as time passed
and I began to recover my health, I felt that I didn' t
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always have to hide people and thishas been wonderful. I still attend meetings
because I like to do it.I meet people I like to talk to.
Another reason I have to attend isthat I am still so grateful to
stop both the program and the peoplewho compose it, that I still want
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to participate in the meetings and perhapsthe most wonderful thing that the program has
taught me. I have seen itmany times in the double to Grave Vine
and many people have told me personallyand it is seen many other people standing
up at meetings and saying so isthe following. I came double to only
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for the purpose of achieving my sobriety, but through the double program I have
found good- bye This seems tome the most wonderful thing a person can
do. Well so far the accountthen of this extract from the book of
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anonymous alcoholics. I hope you've liked the truth as this you'
ll be able to find a lotof information that you can very possibly assume
in practice, or that you canonly identify with it the truth that gives
you the opportunity to read sometimes nothingelse if you want for general culture,
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so that no one will talk toyou and tell you things about the book
of anonymous alcoholics, give yourself theopportunity to read it and that you understand
how you want to understand it frommy point of view, truth. But
if, in case you can bein a group where they can also orient
you because of their experience in thesubject, the truth that would also be
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pretty good. Of the things thatseem to me interesting about what I told
you at the beginning of knowing thathow things are still the same when we
' re talking about addictions, theonly thing that happens is that more drugs
are added. Human behavior I believeit is precisely the same, no matter
at this time, from my pointof view, at what date, at
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what time you have lived. Wheneverwe lose control, the effect could probably
be different from the drug, butthe end result will remain the same as
it can make us lose our livesand drag with us many loved ones,
close friends or the truth living alsothings that only we know what we are
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going through at that time. Eachof the seven times this person comments,
each of the seven times that hehad left the hospital for the past six
months. He came out determined notto get drunk, at least for eight
months commented he did not. Ididn' t know what the problem was
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and I didn' t know whatto do. How many times we haven
' t woken up afterwards with hangoverat best, after we get past it
or maybe, even during that crudemoral that we still bring and swear,
we swear really and we say wedon' t do it again, but
the truth that we do it withso much intention, with our hearts in
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our hands that if something happened atthat time and they told us, but
you' re saying it with allhonesty and sincerity, we would answer that
if I' m sure you wouldanswer that yes, you would swear with
blood, you would sign with bloodthat you won' t do it again,
that you don' t want todo it again, but in the
meantime, time will come back tothe same thing. And those are the
things that the truth to date stillmakes me break my head how it is
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that we say it with such sincerity, but we get the same result remembers
also, as I said before,nothing changes. If nothing changes, then
maybe we do the same thing inmatters of swearing we won' t do
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it again, but we still don' t change anything. Beyond that desire,
something that also marked me when Iread this excerpt from the book.
It' s the part when hesays we have bad news for you.
They seemed bad news to us,and you' ll probably think so,
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too. Even if it' sbeen six days, months or years since
you had your last drink. Ifyou have one or two drinks, you
' ll end up tied up inbed at the hospital, as you'
ve been for the last six months. You' re an alcoholic and I
' ve touched this on many occasionstoo. You' re probably one of
those people who' s already seenin his own flesh. It doesn'
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t matter how long you' vebeen able to hold on. Once again
comes that obsession with more force,with an overwhelming intensity that puts you back
on your knees and no matter howmuch you implore. When you' re
there on your knees, you'll probably get up, but you'
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ll be back if you don't convince yourself that you have to do
something different. Then I am struckby the fact that at that time,
more than ninety years ago, livingpractically the same thing and saying it doesn
' t matter is that they knewit and still speak as a very,
very distant thing. At the veryleast, that' s the impression I
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had. But when I tell youright now, it' s how they
knew back then? No matter howlong you stop and your brain is already
in that condition and if you don' t make the relevant changes, you
' re going back to the startingpoint and, like those truths, something
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else, something else, not withus extracts anymore. But, well,
I' ll leave it there asa task for you, in case you
want to know, in case you' re interested or interested, since you
download that book, that you getit, that you give yourself the opportunity,
to read it, that shops opportunityto analyze it, to live it
to experience it, and maybe alreadyonce you have it more or less understood,
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you can approach someone and ask themto still share with that person and
tell them what you think about thissame thing goes then that way. Tell
me if this is okay with you. This exercise wasn' t planned.
It is true until the middle ofthe week that the truth, before I
went to sleep, I began toread it I said Mira it makes me
a topic that could probably be convenientfor you to know. Well, there
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it is then. If you wantto tell me what you thought, please
let me know the e- run. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction com if you
wanted me to bring you extracts.I know this is a little long,
because it' s a complete narrativeof and I didn' t want to,
in fact, interrupt and leave itin two or even in three.
I wanted to do it completely.That' s why it went a little
long. But tell me if youare interested or interested in knowing a little
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more book and here I will comeand read you and share you. Probably
what I think comes out without alreadybeing an expert on that, on the
subject as such. But I havealso decided to take credit because for more
than six years I have been soattached to the issue that it is not
necessarily reflected in the complete elimination ofmy consumption. However, the truth is
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that I' m going to haveto be giving I believe more often because
I' ve always said that I' m not an expert, I'
m not a specialist, I'm not a certified specialist. But after
six years of studying the subject.I think a certain expertise I already have
and that' s always saying thatyou go and check with a person who
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' s certified, which is themost important thing. I won' t
stop having to tell you at leastwhat I think comes out good. Let
' s move on to Spotify.As you know, Spotify gives me the
opportunity to put a few questions,to put a survey as well. I
thank you as always the people whoparticipate, because this helps me in time
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to generate more content and we willdo it then in this way, as
I promised that all people here willhave the opportunity, no matter when they
leave their answer. Anica Anica FTVleft the answer to the question A person,
an alcoholic person? An alcoholic person? Or addicted. It' s
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the one Anica says wasn' t. Can' t you stop using substance
slave? That' s Anica FTV' s answer. Can' t you
stop using substance slave? Thank youso much for participating. Nika here right
now is getting published. You'll see your answer. I officially helped
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on the episode page that was recordeda few weeks ago at this time.
In this case, last week's survey was the result or classification according
to the questions, it reflects orreflected my reality that I' m talking
about, well, what was publishedin the episode. Number one hundred and
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sixty- nine of the alcohol consumptiondisorder, which was or is a spectrum.
There are some numbers, if youdon' t know what I'
m talking about. Please, I' m asking you to listen to episode
one hundred and sixty- nine soit makes a little more sense to you.
There I shared a few questions.There are also the notes of the
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episode, no matter how much youwant to copy them and answer them when
you have time, accounts, howmany questions you answered yes. Depending on
it, there is a classification,one, no, there is problem,
two or three, mild, four, five moderate over six intense. Then
I shared at that time that Iwant to make the clarification that I posted
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on YouTube. In fact, thatclarification is that I answered seven. But
later, listening to the episode,I said you don' t know what.
I think you' re probably not100% I don' t know
so sure, but yeah, Ithink I gave fifty percent to two more
questions, i e point five andpoint five, so I have to raise
my ranking to eight. Remember thatthis is an exercise that is done for
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the last of today. You tellhim three hundred and sixty- five days
back to tell him everything that hashappened in the last three hundred and sixty
- five days. If that hashappened and that shore causes you to answer
yes to the questions, then youhave to go adding salt then I have
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to go up from seven to eight. And in this case the result,
then of the classification. Responding tothe poll, six people who voted,
six people said the result or rankingreflects whether it reflects or reflects their reality
comes out until then and already topass the questions where I just asked what
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was the result you got. Thefirst was Lisa, Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez
comments intensely at the time. Today, I' ve been out of alcohol
for three hundred and thirty days.Many congratulations and happy face, by the
way, from Lisa. Thank youso much, Elisa. Very soon then,
in just thirty- five more daysthe moment you' ve answered that,
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in fact, it' s less, it' s already twenty-
eight days. In just twenty-eight days, Elisa will be one year
old, possibly then of that same, of that intense number, then she
has already had to go down tozero. No. That' s amazing.
How, after putting that effort fora year, something that can be
considered intense. It doesn' tmatter that you' ve had eleven,
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not that you' ve said yesto all, absolutely all, three hundred
and sixty- five days of aninternal change, of an important effort,
make you grow to practically zero ornot practically zero. That' s amazing.
Elisa, many congratulations. Go onwith your effort. I' m
sure that for you it will besomething very, very important and fundamental to
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get to that year of sobriety orat least drop of alcohol. It goes
well, there goes then Tamara,you know that a strong hug you have
so found, especially for the momentsyou have passed and with the news that
you have had. The truth isthat I send you a brotherly hug,
a strong hug and a greeting allthe way to where you are. Tamara
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says definitely intense. I think Ianswered everyone that I did. However,
we are working on it a greeting. Tamara, if you remember if she
participated in one of the episodes witha recording at this time. Tamara by
form you have to correct maybe,although I can go back and see how
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many days you had not consumed then, but you will be getting closer too.
Let' s say a year,not what it would be like,
like, ten months, about elevenmonths. Then also take is about to
reach that barrier of three hundred andsixty- five days and answer all that
it will also pass to zero.It' s the incredible truth and I
' m very happy for all ofyou. Jessica Rincón says intense only one,
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but I' ve been sober foreight months and fall nou is fail
from there. Jessica also pays trueto one of the questions that left good
to the poll, in fact,that I also left a couple of weeks
ago where I asked you that ifit fell back it was failure here,
since I tied it all up andI thank her very much. And so
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you, too, are on theright track, not exactly the same as
Elisa. Just like I took andnow Jessica also eight months the truth that
gives me so much, so muchpleasure that with that effort that has to
be made, it really doesn't matter at what time. That is
for me the message up to now, until this moment that, in fact,
this makes me see that things arepossible. It' s no matter
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how bad you are right now,as long as you' re alive,
you have the chance to make upfor many of the things you' ve
possibly hurt at the time, thatyou have to correct, that you have
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to orient your efforts, your energies, your love to another place. It
' s in your hands, asit is in Elisa, in Tamara,
in Jessica, in many people wholisten to you who listen. At this
moment there are others who do notlisten, who are always there to exist
and giving everything they have of themselvesto be able to pass from that intense
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level, without them knowing it tothat level number zero that will allow them
to hopefully and begin a new lifeexploring a reality that a year ago in
some cases they could not even see. Thank you so much, Jessica,
for sharing then that eight months hopefullybecome a year and from there, then,
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more truth to stop. Joel fora thousand nine hundred and eighty-
eight. Joel comments intensely. Thankyou so much. Joel Lilian Ramos tells
us just like you, seven positives. Intense, Lilian forgive me because I
changed. So change eight, changeeight. I think he does, he
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does. I don' t meanto say I' ve been dishonest,
but I felt less honest saying sevenare left. Possibly, if you wanted
to give me the full points ofthose two I' m telling you about,
you should put it up to nine. I' m honest with you,
but I feel that maybe, evenif it' s half a dot,
maybe they' ll leave me nocho et at the end of the
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day, do the same work anddo it all that conviction that things aren
' t right, that things shouldchange. I think it doesn' t
matter if we have six, sevenor eight or eleven. We know that
we are on a level that changesmust be made in our lives in order
to move forward and live it fully. Remember the idea, not honestly,
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that one that turns everything into happiness, it is impossible to be happy.
There are people who say that happinessis unattainable, that what you enjoy is
the way to achieve that happiness.Then let' s not be miserable either,
let' s not be people whoget used to suffering either. Let
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' s look for happiness and pointthat way and then the things that come
will be a benefit. We haveto put some effort into it. Without
a doubt, like Lisa, asa tamara, as Jessica and like many
other people, I insist that youare sometimes here listening. Hopefully, one
day they will also be encouraged toparticipate. And precisely in that tenor tell
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you that if you are interested orinterested in participating, in receiving the messages,
the messages not the electronic run thatthe one I make you, reach
out to people who want to participatewith about ten questions that are to give
me an idea of who they are. Subsequently, we make a recognition call
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and enlist everything for the preparation forthe episode that can be recorded. If
you just want to get to thosequestions, answer them and I read them,
because it' s okay to letme know, too, send me
an e- mail to Gregory andI' ll send them back waiting for
you one day. You make themfor me You don' t judge anyone.
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No matter what substance you consume,it doesn' t matter whether you
' ve been able or not.You may or may not have been able
to recover your addiction yet if you' re trying. What you tried,
what worked, what didn' twork. That' s what' s
important right now and what you'd share with him, probably to someone
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else who' s going through thesame thing that you become, as well
as in this case the person Itold his history from the anonymous alcoholics.
It was just two drunks who justwanted to keep sharing and talk to another
drunk. Thus, they knew thatthey could find themselves on that path to
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healing. And that was the visionof those who created, of those who
originally founded the movement of anonymous alcoholics. They identified that by having that communication,
by being able to speak this toother people, it is part of
the solutions, part of what keepsyou focused. From my point of view,
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and above all, it gives yousuch great satisfaction, so great that
the truth. Only people who dowill be able to explain it to you.
But if you want to live it, give it a chance and let
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me get that information through an e- mail. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction point
com good. So much for today' s episode. Remember then that there
are people who love you? Remember, people who want to see you get
over it are your addiction. Don' t turn your back on them,
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talk to them head- on andask them for help. You' d
be surprised to see how many peopleare ready to help you, if that
' s how you need it.Remember that if you can help someone who
is in your hands, give thatfriendly hand to a person who is in
front of you or who is inyour distance, get that help. Sometimes
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they just need to talk, theyjust think they don' t have anyone
they' re interested in listening to. Please, if you' re in
a position to do so, considerdoing it because you don' t know
when you can change someone' slife. So far then the episode.
My name is Gregory Chiñas. Thiswas goodbye addiction to whom we heard in
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Welcome again, my name is GregoryChiñas and, as always you, I
welcome a new episode, episode numberone hundred and seventy of addiction goodbye,
episode that is being recorded on Sundaythirty- one March of the year two
thousand twenty- four. As Ialways thank you for giving me the chance
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to be here with you once again. What am I going to tell you
today about the anonymous alcoholic number three, a fascinating story published in the Book
of Anonymous Alcoholics that I want toshare with you today. Please listen to
it you have no waste, especiallybecause I am sure you will very possibly
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identify yourself, because it addresses morethan one occasion something that is quite common
for us, people who have someproblem with alcohol and, above all,
how we have tried to control itat times and we cannot go to the
mentality also that we know we haveinside us when it comes to talking about
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alcohol. I' m drinking youtoo much alcohol. Anyway, I also
ask you, please, before startingtoday' s episode, to please contact
me at the email Gregory Arroba Goodbyeaddiction com in case, in case you
would like to participate. Please letme know, I will send the questions
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you realize that it is very easyto participate and also very important,
because remember that you never know whenyou can change someone' s life.
I also ask you if, inany case, you' re not listening
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s going to be, what's being today' s episode. If
you like, I haven' tstopped something I' ve kept on this
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steady path. That will sometimes bejust as obsessive as I have when it
comes to continuing to learn about alcohol, alcoholism or disorder, abuse, forgiveness,
disorder, alcohol consumption, as wehave called it in the previous episode.
And that led me to grab theBook of Anonymous Alcoholics again, continue
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with my reading and get to apage, come to a story that the
truth touched me very much that Isaid in case at any time you haven
' t read it, in caseat any time you haven' t given
yourself the opportunity of first and thealcoholic are mimos or second, you read
the book, that even I believethat the book can be downloaded, even
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if you haven' t been inanonymous alcoholics. In case you' re
interested, in any case, ingiving you an idea of what the matter
is about. You could download it, it, you could buy and read
it. After all, not onyour own, without the need to go
any meeting. But I wish andwere both at the same time, as
I was reading this account of thisperson who, from what I understand,
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was in fact the third aggregate ofthat original group that was given in the
1930s, it seemed to me,as I told you in the introduction,
very interesting, because in many ways, it doesn' t matter that this
was in a thousand nine hundred thirty- five. We are already talking about
almost ninety years and it remains thesame in many things. Look let me
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tell you about it Stay with me. It may take a few minutes,
but listen carefully. Already you willtell me whether or not you identify with
this person and if it really strikesyou that this being in nineteen hundred and
thirty so many, now, beingin two thousand and twenty, things remain
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so similar. What do you thinkthat leads to? It comes out Look
here. Then I begin the story. Anonymous alcoholic number three, pioneer member
of Achron' s number one group, the world' s first group of
anonymous alcoholics. He preserved his faithand for this he and many others found
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a new life. One of fivechildren was born in a large one in
Kentucky County. My parents were affluentpeople and a happy marriage. My wife
from Kentucky, too. He accompaniedme to Acron, where I finished my
law studies at Akron Law School.Mine is, in a way, an
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unusual case. There were no episodesof unhappiness during my childhood that could explain
alcoholism to me. Apparently he hada natural propensity for drinking. I was
happily married and, as I said, I never had any of the conscious
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or unconscious motives that are often citedfor drinking. However, as my record
indicates, I became a serious casebefore the drink completely defeated me. I
managed to have some notable successes byserving as a member of the municipal council
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and financial administrator of Kenmor, asuburb that later joined the city itself.
But all this went away, ashe drank more and more, so when
vill and Dr. Bob, mystrength had run out. The first time
I got drunk, I was eightyears old. It wasn' t my
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father' s or my mother's fault, who were strongly opposed to
drinking. A couple of workers werecleaning the barn on the farm and I
was accompanying them by riding on thesled while they were carrying. I drank
cider from a barrel in the barn. After two or three tours on a
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return trip, I lost consciousness andhad to take me home. I remember
my father had whiskey in the housefor medicinal purposes and to serve the guests
and I drank it when there wasno one around me and then I added
or water to the bottle so myparents wouldn' t notice. I went
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on like this until I enrolled instate college and after four years I realized
I was a drunk. Tomorrow aftertomorrow I woke up sick and trembling,
but I always had a bottle placedon the table next to my bed.
I was taking her. I wouldhave a drink and within a few minutes
I would get up, throw another, shave, have breakfast and put a
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quarter of a liter of liquor inmy pocket and go to college. At
the intervals between my classes, Iran to the services drinking enough to calm
my nerves and headed for the nextclass. This was in nineteen hundred and
seventeen. In the second part ofmy senior year at the University, I
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left my studies to enlist in thearmy. Back then, I called this
patriotism. Later I realized I wasrunning away from alcohol. To a degree.
It helped me, as I foundmyself in places where I couldn'
t get anything to drink and soI managed to break the habit. Then
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the prohibition came into effect and thefact that what could be obtained was so
bad and sometimes deadly. United towhom if I had married and had a
job I could not neglect. Theyhelped me over a period of about three
or four years, although every timeI could get enough liquor to start I
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didn' t get drunk. Mywife and I belonged to some of Bridge
' s clubs where they started makingand serving wine. However, after two
or three attempts, I knew thatthis did not convince me, as it
was not enough to satisfy me,so I refused to drink that problem.
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However, it was soon resolved.When I got worse I wanted to take
my own bottle with me and hideit in the toilet or in the bushes.
As time went by, my drinkingwas getting worse. I was absent
from the office for two or threeweeks, dreadful days and nights when I
saw myself lying on the floor ofmy house groping for the bottle, drinking
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me and sinking back into oblivion.During the first six months of a thousand
nine hundred and thirty- five theyhospitalized me eight times for drunkenness and tied
me to bed for two or threedays before I knew where I was.
On June 26th of a thousand ninehundred and thirty- five, I arrived
again at the hospital and was discouragednot to say more each of the seven
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times that I had left the hospitalfor the past six months. I was
determined not to get drunk for atleast eight months. It wasn' t
like that. I didn' tknow what the problem was and I didn
' t know what. That morningI was transferred to another room and there
was my wife. I thought you' re gonna tell me we' re
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finally here. I couldn' tblame her and I had no intention of
trying to justify myself. He toldme he' d talked to two people
about drinking. I resented this verymuch until he informed me that they were
a couple of drunks. Like metelling another drunk wasn' t that bad.
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He told me you' re gonnaquit. This was worth a lot,
though I didn' t believe itThen he told me that the drunkards
he had talked to had a planthrough which they thought they could stop drinking
and one part of the plan wasto tell another drunk. This was going
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to help them stay sober. Allthe other people who had talked to me
wanted to help me and my pridewould not let me listen to them,
creating only resentments. I thought,however, that I would be a bad
person if I did not listen fora while to a couple of men,
if this could cure them. Healso told me that I couldn' t
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pay them, even if I wantedto and had money to do it,
money I didn' t have.They entered and began to instruct me in
the program that would later become knownas anonymous alcoholics and that at that time
was not very extensive. I lookedat them two large men over one eighty
in height and with a very pleasantappearance. I later learned that they were
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BILLW and Dr. Bob. Shortlyafterwards we began to relate some events before
our drinking and, of course,I quickly realized that they both knew what
I was talking about, because whenyou' re drunk, you can feel
and smell something that you can't at other times. If I thought
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they didn' t know what theywere talking about, I wouldn' t
have been willing at all to talkto them. After a while. Bill
said well, you' ve beentalking a lot. Leave me on cable
for a few minutes. So,after hearing a little more of my story,
he turned to Dr Bob. Ithink he didn' t know what
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he heard and said good. Ithink it' s worth working with him
and saving him. They asked meto stop drinking your drink It' s
none of our business. We're not here to try to take away
any rights or privileges from you,but we have a program through which we
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believe we can stay sober. Onepart of this program is that we pass
it on to someone else who needsit and wants it. If you don
' t want it, don't worry, we' ll spend your
time and go find someone else.Then they wanted to know if I thought
I could stop drinking by my ownmeans without any help, if I could
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just leave the hospital to never drink. If so, it would be a
wonder and they would like to meeta man with such capacity. However,
they were looking for a person whoknew that he had a problem that he
could not solve for himself and thathe needed help from others. Then they
asked me if I believed in ahigher power. That did not cause me
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any difficulty, as I had neverstopped believing in God and had tried repeatedly
to get help without achieving it.Then I was asked if I would be
willing to resort to this power toask for help quietly and unreservedly. They
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left me to reflect on this andI was lying in my hospital bed,
thinking about my past life and reviewingit. I thought about what alcohol had
done to me, the opportunities Ihad lost, the talents I had been
given and how I had wasted them. And finally I came to the conclusion
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that even if I didn' twant to stop drinking I should want it
and that I was willing to doanything to leave it. I was willing
to admit that I had played hardball, that I had encountered something I didn
' t know how to deal withalone. So, after meditating on this
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and realizing what I drank had costme, I went to this higher power
that for me was God unreservedly,and admitted that I was powerless in the
face of alcohol and that I waswilling to do anything to get rid of
the problem. In fact, Iadmitted that I was willing there from now
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on to give my direction to God. Every day I would try to seek
his will and follow it, insteadof trying to convince God that what I
thought was the best for me then, when they came back, I told
him one of the men, Ithink it was Dr Bob, asked me
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well, you want to stop drinking. I answered yes, I' d
like to leave it at least sixor eight months until I can get my
things in order and earn my wife' s and some others' respect again,
fix my finances, etcetera. Andthe two of them started laughing willingly
and told me it would be betterthan what you' ve been doing true
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what it was, of course,the truth. And they told me we
have bad news for you. Allof us found bad news and you probably
think so too, even if it' s been six days, months or
years since you had your last drink. If you have one or two drinks,
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you' ll end up tied tobed in the hospital. As you
' ve been for the past sixmonths. You' re an alcoholic I
remember. This was the first timeI paid attention to that word. I
figured he was just a drunk andthey told me you didn' t suffer
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from an illness and no matter howlong I went without drinking. After having
a drink or two, you'll find yourself as you are then.
I was truly disheartened by that news. Then they asked me to stop drinking
for 24 hours. Right. Isaid yes, anyone can leave for 24
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hours. They told me about it. We spoke for twenty- four hours.
Every time. This took a weightoff of me every time I started
thinking about drinking. I imagined thelong dry years that were waiting for me
without drinking this 24 hour idea andthe decision that depended on me helped me
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a lot for the next two orthree days. I finally came to the
decision to give my will to Godand follow the program as best I could.
His words and actions had given mesome assurance. Although I wasn'
t absolutely sure. I didn't doubt the program would work, I
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doubted that I could stick to it. I came to the conclusion, however,
that I was willing to devote allmy efforts to doing so with the
grace of God and that I wantedto do just that. As soon as
I came to this decision. Ifelt a great relief. I knew I
had someone who would help me whocould trust me that I wouldn' t
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fail. If I could stick tohim and listen, I' d get
what I wanted. I remember whenthe men came back, I told them
I went to this higher power andtold him that I am willing to put
their world before everything else. I' ve already done it and I'
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m willing to do it again beforeyou or to say it anywhere, anywhere
in the world from now on withoutshame. And this, as I said,
gave me a lot of security.It seemed to take a large part
of my burden away from me.I remember also telling them that it was
going to be very hard, becauseI did other things, I smoked cigarettes,
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I played poker and sometimes I beton horses and they said no.
It seems to you that at presentdrinking is causing you more trouble than other
things. You don' t thinkyou' re gonna have to do everything
you can to get rid of her. I grudgingly reprimanded them. Yeah,
it' ll probably be like that. They told me. Let us stop
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thinking about the other problems, thatis, let us not try to eliminate
them all in one stroke and concentrateon drinking. Of course, we had
talked about several of my defects andmade a kind of inventory that was not
difficult to make, as I hadmany defects that were very obvious because I
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knew them well. Then they toldme there' s one more thing.
You should go out and take thisprogram to someone else who needs it and
wants it. At this point,my business was practically non- existent.
I didn' t have any forquite some time. I did not,
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of course, enjoy my good healtheither. It took me a year and
a half to start feeling good.Physically it was hard for me, but
soon I found people who had beenfriends before and after being sober for a
while, I saw these people treatingme again as they had in years past.
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Before I got so bad that Ididn' t pay much attention to
economic gain, I spent most ofmy time trying to recover these friendships and
somehow compensate my wife, whom Ihad hurt a lot. It would be
difficult to calculate how much double youhave done for me really wanted the program
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and I wanted to follow it.It seemed to me that the others had
so much relief, a happiness Idon' t know what I thought everyone
should have. I was trying tofind the solution. I knew there was
something else I hadn' t pickedup yet. I remember one day,
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a week or two after I leftthe hospital where Bill was at my house
talking to my wife and me,we were having lunch and I was listening,
trying to figure out why they hadthat relief they seemed to have.
Bill looked at my wife and toldHenriyeta,“ God has shown me so
much kindness by healing me from thisdreadful illness that I just want to keep
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talking about it and keep telling otherpeople about it. I told myself I
think I have the solution. Billwas very, very grateful for having been
released from this terrible thing and hadattributed to God the merit of having done
so and is so grateful that hewants to tell other people. That phrase
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God has shown me so much kindnessby healing me from this dreadful illness that
I only want to tell other people. I had served as a golden text
for the anonymous alcoholic program and forme, of course, as time passed
and I began to recover my health, I felt that I didn' t
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always have to hide people and thishas been wonderful. I still attend meetings
because I like to do it.I meet people I like to talk to.
Another reason I have to attend isthat I am still so grateful to
stop both the program and the peoplewho compose it, that I still want
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to participate in the meetings and perhapsthe most wonderful thing that the program has
taught me. I have seen itmany times in the double to Grave Vine
and many people have told me personallyand it is seen many other people standing
up at meetings and saying so isthe following. I came double to only
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for the purpose of achieving my sobriety, but through the double program I have
found good- bye This seems tome the most wonderful thing a person can
do. Well so far the accountthen of this extract from the book of
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anonymous alcoholics. I hope you've liked the truth as this you'
ll be able to find a lotof information that you can very possibly assume
in practice, or that you canonly identify with it the truth that gives
you the opportunity to read sometimes nothingelse if you want for general culture,
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so that no one will talk toyou and tell you things about the book
of anonymous alcoholics, give yourself theopportunity to read it and that you understand
how you want to understand it frommy point of view, truth. But
if, in case you can bein a group where they can also orient
you because of their experience in thesubject, the truth that would also be
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pretty good. Of the things thatseem to me interesting about what I told
you at the beginning of knowing thathow things are still the same when we
' re talking about addictions, theonly thing that happens is that more drugs
are added. Human behavior I believeit is precisely the same, no matter
at this time, from my pointof view, at what date, at
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what time you have lived. Wheneverwe lose control, the effect could probably
be different from the drug, butthe end result will remain the same as
it can make us lose our livesand drag with us many loved ones,
close friends or the truth living alsothings that only we know what we are
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going through at that time. Eachof the seven times this person comments,
each of the seven times that hehad left the hospital for the past six
months. He came out determined notto get drunk, at least for eight
months commented he did not. Ididn' t know what the problem was
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and I didn' t know whatto do. How many times we haven
' t woken up afterwards with hangoverat best, after we get past it
or maybe, even during that crudemoral that we still bring and swear,
we swear really and we say wedon' t do it again, but
the truth that we do it withso much intention, with our hearts in
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our hands that if something happened atthat time and they told us, but
you' re saying it with allhonesty and sincerity, we would answer that
if I' m sure you wouldanswer that yes, you would swear with
blood, you would sign with bloodthat you won' t do it again,
that you don' t want todo it again, but in the
meantime, time will come back tothe same thing. And those are the
things that the truth to date stillmakes me break my head how it is
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that we say it with such sincerity, but we get the same result remembers
also, as I said before,nothing changes. If nothing changes, then
maybe we do the same thing inmatters of swearing we won' t do
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it again, but we still don' t change anything. Beyond that desire,
something that also marked me when Iread this excerpt from the book.
It' s the part when hesays we have bad news for you.
They seemed bad news to us,and you' ll probably think so,
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too. Even if it' sbeen six days, months or years since
you had your last drink. Ifyou have one or two drinks, you
' ll end up tied up inbed at the hospital, as you'
ve been for the last six months. You' re an alcoholic and I
' ve touched this on many occasionstoo. You' re probably one of
those people who' s already seenin his own flesh. It doesn'
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t matter how long you' vebeen able to hold on. Once again
comes that obsession with more force,with an overwhelming intensity that puts you back
on your knees and no matter howmuch you implore. When you' re
there on your knees, you'll probably get up, but you'
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ll be back if you don't convince yourself that you have to do
something different. Then I am struckby the fact that at that time,
more than ninety years ago, livingpractically the same thing and saying it doesn
' t matter is that they knewit and still speak as a very,
very distant thing. At the veryleast, that' s the impression I
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had. But when I tell youright now, it' s how they
knew back then? No matter howlong you stop and your brain is already
in that condition and if you don' t make the relevant changes, you
' re going back to the startingpoint and, like those truths, something
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else, something else, not withus extracts anymore. But, well,
I' ll leave it there asa task for you, in case you
want to know, in case you' re interested or interested, since you
download that book, that you getit, that you give yourself the opportunity,
to read it, that shops opportunityto analyze it, to live it
to experience it, and maybe alreadyonce you have it more or less understood,
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you can approach someone and ask themto still share with that person and
tell them what you think about thissame thing goes then that way. Tell
me if this is okay with you. This exercise wasn' t planned.
It is true until the middle ofthe week that the truth, before I
went to sleep, I began toread it I said Mira it makes me
a topic that could probably be convenientfor you to know. Well, there
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it is then. If you wantto tell me what you thought, please
let me know the e- run. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction com if you
wanted me to bring you extracts.I know this is a little long,
because it' s a complete narrativeof and I didn' t want to,
in fact, interrupt and leave itin two or even in three.
I wanted to do it completely.That' s why it went a little
long. But tell me if youare interested or interested in knowing a little
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more book and here I will comeand read you and share you. Probably
what I think comes out without alreadybeing an expert on that, on the
subject as such. But I havealso decided to take credit because for more
than six years I have been soattached to the issue that it is not
necessarily reflected in the complete elimination ofmy consumption. However, the truth is
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that I' m going to haveto be giving I believe more often because
I' ve always said that I' m not an expert, I'
m not a specialist, I'm not a certified specialist. But after
six years of studying the subject.I think a certain expertise I already have
and that' s always saying thatyou go and check with a person who
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' s certified, which is themost important thing. I won' t
stop having to tell you at leastwhat I think comes out good. Let
' s move on to Spotify.As you know, Spotify gives me the
opportunity to put a few questions,to put a survey as well. I
thank you as always the people whoparticipate, because this helps me in time
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to generate more content and we willdo it then in this way, as
I promised that all people here willhave the opportunity, no matter when they
leave their answer. Anica Anica FTVleft the answer to the question A person,
an alcoholic person? An alcoholic person? Or addicted. It' s
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the one Anica says wasn' t. Can' t you stop using substance
slave? That' s Anica FTV' s answer. Can' t you
stop using substance slave? Thank youso much for participating. Nika here right
now is getting published. You'll see your answer. I officially helped
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on the episode page that was recordeda few weeks ago at this time.
In this case, last week's survey was the result or classification according
to the questions, it reflects orreflected my reality that I' m talking
about, well, what was publishedin the episode. Number one hundred and
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sixty- nine of the alcohol consumptiondisorder, which was or is a spectrum.
There are some numbers, if youdon' t know what I'
m talking about. Please, I' m asking you to listen to episode
one hundred and sixty- nine soit makes a little more sense to you.
There I shared a few questions.There are also the notes of the
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episode, no matter how much youwant to copy them and answer them when
you have time, accounts, howmany questions you answered yes. Depending on
it, there is a classification,one, no, there is problem,
two or three, mild, four, five moderate over six intense. Then
I shared at that time that Iwant to make the clarification that I posted
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on YouTube. In fact, thatclarification is that I answered seven. But
later, listening to the episode,I said you don' t know what.
I think you' re probably not100% I don' t know
so sure, but yeah, Ithink I gave fifty percent to two more
questions, i e point five andpoint five, so I have to raise
my ranking to eight. Remember thatthis is an exercise that is done for
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the last of today. You tellhim three hundred and sixty- five days
back to tell him everything that hashappened in the last three hundred and sixty
- five days. If that hashappened and that shore causes you to answer
yes to the questions, then youhave to go adding salt then I have
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to go up from seven to eight. And in this case the result,
then of the classification. Responding tothe poll, six people who voted,
six people said the result or rankingreflects whether it reflects or reflects their reality
comes out until then and already topass the questions where I just asked what
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was the result you got. Thefirst was Lisa, Elisa Isabel gil Jiménez
comments intensely at the time. Today, I' ve been out of alcohol
for three hundred and thirty days.Many congratulations and happy face, by the
way, from Lisa. Thank youso much, Elisa. Very soon then,
in just thirty- five more daysthe moment you' ve answered that,
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in fact, it' s less, it' s already twenty-
eight days. In just twenty-eight days, Elisa will be one year
old, possibly then of that same, of that intense number, then she
has already had to go down tozero. No. That' s amazing.
How, after putting that effort fora year, something that can be
considered intense. It doesn' tmatter that you' ve had eleven,
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not that you' ve said yesto all, absolutely all, three hundred
and sixty- five days of aninternal change, of an important effort,
make you grow to practically zero ornot practically zero. That' s amazing.
Elisa, many congratulations. Go onwith your effort. I' m
sure that for you it will besomething very, very important and fundamental to
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get to that year of sobriety orat least drop of alcohol. It goes
well, there goes then Tamara,you know that a strong hug you have
so found, especially for the momentsyou have passed and with the news that
you have had. The truth isthat I send you a brotherly hug,
a strong hug and a greeting allthe way to where you are. Tamara
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says definitely intense. I think Ianswered everyone that I did. However,
we are working on it a greeting. Tamara, if you remember if she
participated in one of the episodes witha recording at this time. Tamara by
form you have to correct maybe,although I can go back and see how
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many days you had not consumed then, but you will be getting closer too.
Let' s say a year,not what it would be like,
like, ten months, about elevenmonths. Then also take is about to
reach that barrier of three hundred andsixty- five days and answer all that
it will also pass to zero.It' s the incredible truth and I
' m very happy for all ofyou. Jessica Rincón says intense only one,
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but I' ve been sober foreight months and fall nou is fail
from there. Jessica also pays trueto one of the questions that left good
to the poll, in fact,that I also left a couple of weeks
ago where I asked you that ifit fell back it was failure here,
since I tied it all up andI thank her very much. And so
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you, too, are on theright track, not exactly the same as
Elisa. Just like I took andnow Jessica also eight months the truth that
gives me so much, so muchpleasure that with that effort that has to
be made, it really doesn't matter at what time. That is
for me the message up to now, until this moment that, in fact,
this makes me see that things arepossible. It' s no matter
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how bad you are right now,as long as you' re alive,
you have the chance to make upfor many of the things you' ve
possibly hurt at the time, thatyou have to correct, that you have
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to orient your efforts, your energies, your love to another place. It
' s in your hands, asit is in Elisa, in Tamara,
in Jessica, in many people wholisten to you who listen. At this
moment there are others who do notlisten, who are always there to exist
and giving everything they have of themselvesto be able to pass from that intense
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level, without them knowing it tothat level number zero that will allow them
to hopefully and begin a new lifeexploring a reality that a year ago in
some cases they could not even see. Thank you so much, Jessica,
for sharing then that eight months hopefullybecome a year and from there, then,
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more truth to stop. Joel fora thousand nine hundred and eighty-
eight. Joel comments intensely. Thankyou so much. Joel Lilian Ramos tells
us just like you, seven positives. Intense, Lilian forgive me because I
changed. So change eight, changeeight. I think he does, he
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does. I don' t meanto say I' ve been dishonest,
but I felt less honest saying sevenare left. Possibly, if you wanted
to give me the full points ofthose two I' m telling you about,
you should put it up to nine. I' m honest with you,
but I feel that maybe, evenif it' s half a dot,
maybe they' ll leave me nocho et at the end of the
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day, do the same work anddo it all that conviction that things aren
' t right, that things shouldchange. I think it doesn' t
matter if we have six, sevenor eight or eleven. We know that
we are on a level that changesmust be made in our lives in order
to move forward and live it fully. Remember the idea, not honestly,
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that one that turns everything into happiness, it is impossible to be happy.
There are people who say that happinessis unattainable, that what you enjoy is
the way to achieve that happiness.Then let' s not be miserable either,
let' s not be people whoget used to suffering either. Let
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' s look for happiness and pointthat way and then the things that come
will be a benefit. We haveto put some effort into it. Without
a doubt, like Lisa, asa tamara, as Jessica and like many
other people, I insist that youare sometimes here listening. Hopefully, one
day they will also be encouraged toparticipate. And precisely in that tenor tell
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you that if you are interested orinterested in participating, in receiving the messages,
the messages not the electronic run thatthe one I make you, reach
out to people who want to participatewith about ten questions that are to give
me an idea of who they are. Subsequently, we make a recognition call
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and enlist everything for the preparation forthe episode that can be recorded. If
you just want to get to thosequestions, answer them and I read them,
because it' s okay to letme know, too, send me
an e- mail to Gregory andI' ll send them back waiting for
you one day. You make themfor me You don' t judge anyone.
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No matter what substance you consume,it doesn' t matter whether you
' ve been able or not.You may or may not have been able
to recover your addiction yet if you' re trying. What you tried,
what worked, what didn' twork. That' s what' s
important right now and what you'd share with him, probably to someone
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else who' s going through thesame thing that you become, as well
as in this case the person Itold his history from the anonymous alcoholics.
It was just two drunks who justwanted to keep sharing and talk to another
drunk. Thus, they knew thatthey could find themselves on that path to
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healing. And that was the visionof those who created, of those who
originally founded the movement of anonymous alcoholics. They identified that by having that communication,
by being able to speak this toother people, it is part of
the solutions, part of what keepsyou focused. From my point of view,
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and above all, it gives yousuch great satisfaction, so great that
the truth. Only people who dowill be able to explain it to you.
But if you want to live it, give it a chance and let
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me get that information through an e- mail. Gregory Arroba goodbye addiction point
com good. So much for today' s episode. Remember then that there
are people who love you? Remember, people who want to see you get
over it are your addiction. Don' t turn your back on them,
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talk to them head- on andask them for help. You' d
be surprised to see how many peopleare ready to help you, if that
' s how you need it.Remember that if you can help someone who
is in your hands, give thatfriendly hand to a person who is in
front of you or who is inyour distance, get that help. Sometimes
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they just need to talk, theyjust think they don' t have anyone
they' re interested in listening to. Please, if you' re in
a position to do so, considerdoing it because you don' t know
when you can change someone' slife. So far then the episode.
My name is Gregory Chiñas. Thiswas goodbye addiction to whom we heard in
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the next episode until the next
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